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Okay, we're back."},{"speaker":"blacks (intrinsically, that is","startTime":1531.67,"endTime":1539.38,"body":"IRMF, talk to me about this"},{"speaker":"blacks (intrinsically, that is","startTime":1539.38,"endTime":1539.74,"body":"piece?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1541.09,"endTime":1542.08,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1541.09,"endTime":1542.08,"body":"well, first of all, I'm glad"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1542.08,"endTime":1545.86,"body":"that everyone actually paused to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1542.08,"endTime":1545.86,"body":"go read Baldwin, there is more"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1546.07,"endTime":1551.35,"body":"than we could do in a lifetime"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1546.07,"endTime":1551.35,"body":"in this pod or off, which isn't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1551.35,"endTime":1554.77,"body":"to say that he's perfect, but it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1551.35,"endTime":1554.77,"body":"is to say that he's a freaking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1554.77,"endTime":1557.26,"body":"genius. And it's the whitest"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1554.77,"endTime":1557.26,"body":"white violence that we don't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1557.26,"endTime":1561.76,"body":"teach Baldwin to K-12 students"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1557.26,"endTime":1561.76,"body":"or frankly, even evenly in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1561.76,"endTime":1563.29,"body":"colleges and universities."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1563.47,"endTime":1563.8,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1564.65,"endTime":1566.72,"body":"So I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1564.65,"endTime":1566.72,"body":"think that the most gripping"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1567.2,"endTime":1571.82,"body":"piece about this Baldwin quote"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1567.2,"endTime":1571.82,"body":"that you gave us is how solid he"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1571.82,"endTime":1574.97,"body":"is in this connection between"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1571.82,"endTime":1574.97,"body":"whiteness and Christianity,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1575.24,"endTime":1582.68,"body":"without negging his black"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1575.24,"endTime":1582.68,"body":"church, kin or comrades. 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The"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1590.12,"endTime":1593.57,"body":"conquering, the enslavement, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1593.57,"endTime":1598.16,"body":"violence, the genocide, all in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1593.57,"endTime":1598.16,"body":"the name of and under the banner"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1598.16,"endTime":1601.67,"body":"of God. And not just God,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1598.16,"endTime":1601.67,"body":"though, like- like Jesus"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1601.7,"endTime":1606.77,"body":"specifically. And so I think the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1601.7,"endTime":1606.77,"body":"takeaway from this segment or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1606.77,"endTime":1609.44,"body":"this this quotation, this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1606.77,"endTime":1609.44,"body":"excerpt that you gave us, is:"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1609.92,"endTime":1612.8,"body":"that impulse, that way of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1609.92,"endTime":1612.8,"body":"reading Christian text or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1612.8,"endTime":1616.1,"body":"history as affirming of white"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1612.8,"endTime":1616.1,"body":"supremacy, that hasn't gone"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1616.1,"endTime":1619.46,"body":"anywhere. 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One"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1623.42,"endTime":1629.3,"body":"of the approximately one million"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1629.3,"endTime":1632.33,"body":"things I so appreciate about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1629.3,"endTime":1632.33,"body":"this piece is the way that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1632.33,"endTime":1634.79,"body":"Baldwin grapples with the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1632.33,"endTime":1634.79,"body":"complexity of live religion."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1634.88,"endTime":1639.11,"body":"Like he grew up in the Church,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1634.88,"endTime":1639.11,"body":"he preached, he realized that he"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1639.23,"endTime":1641.75,"body":"couldn't be his full self in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1639.23,"endTime":1641.75,"body":"that community and he left, but"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1641.75,"endTime":1645.26,"body":"he still talks about the space"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1641.75,"endTime":1645.26,"body":"and the music and the spirit of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1645.26,"endTime":1648.86,"body":"his church with such longing,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1645.26,"endTime":1648.86,"body":"while also insisting that we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1648.86,"endTime":1651.05,"body":"recognize the white supremacy at"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1648.86,"endTime":1651.05,"body":"the core of American"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1651.05,"endTime":1655.34,"body":"Christianity. 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And I just I think about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1666.29,"endTime":1667.19,"body":"that sentence all the time."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1668.18,"endTime":1670.82,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1668.18,"endTime":1670.82,"body":"I- I love Baldwin, for many"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1670.82,"endTime":1676.4,"body":"reasons, but so much for this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1670.82,"endTime":1676.4,"body":"line. It's an affirmation of and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1676.4,"endTime":1683.96,"body":"a demand for radical love while"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1676.4,"endTime":1683.96,"body":"also not losing its teeth. He's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1683.96,"endTime":1688.67,"body":"still a killjoy here. 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