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And three, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":413.67,"endTime":418.95,"body":"Qur'an has some pretty cool"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":418.95,"endTime":422.97,"body":"stories you never get to hear"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":418.95,"endTime":422.97,"body":"because Muslims are constantly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":422.97,"endTime":426.81,"body":"having to defend their basic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":422.97,"endTime":426.81,"body":"humanity in this dumb country,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":427.11,"endTime":429.63,"body":"and in most European countries,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":427.11,"endTime":429.63,"body":"and in many spaces within"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":429.63,"endTime":430.59,"body":"international fora."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":432.16,"endTime":435.01,"body":"Yeah, yeah. Okay,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":432.16,"endTime":435.01,"body":"cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":435.04,"endTime":435.79,"body":"Let's do this."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":436.33,"endTime":437.59,"body":"Alright,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":436.33,"endTime":437.59,"body":"so let me start with the thing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":437.59,"endTime":440.98,"body":"that we do in class and anytime"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":437.59,"endTime":440.98,"body":"I speak to a public audience."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":441.46,"endTime":446.65,"body":"Islam is a religion, prac-"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":441.46,"endTime":446.65,"body":"practiced by Muslims. A Muslim"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":446.65,"endTime":450.79,"body":"who practices Islam is not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":446.65,"endTime":450.79,"body":"Islamic, they are Muslim."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":451.15,"endTime":452.95,"body":"Yeah- I didn't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":451.15,"endTime":452.95,"body":"learn that until grad school."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":453.77,"endTime":455.39,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":453.77,"endTime":455.39,"body":"that's why I feel like we need"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":455.39,"endTime":462.8,"body":"to start this basic. The holy"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":455.39,"endTime":462.8,"body":"text of Islam is the Qur'an (Not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":462.89,"endTime":468.86,"body":"the \"Koran,\" please don't do"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":462.89,"endTime":468.86,"body":"that to me, \"Qur'an,\") which is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":468.86,"endTime":473.66,"body":"read and recited in Arabic, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":468.86,"endTime":473.66,"body":"famously remains kind of like"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":473.66,"endTime":479.09,"body":"untranslated"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":473.66,"endTime":479.09,"body":"in ritual and cultural spaces."},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":479.57,"endTime":484.4,"body":"Even though many Muslims, like"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":479.57,"endTime":484.4,"body":"many Jews, do not read or speak"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":484.52,"endTime":489.83,"body":"Arabic, or for Jews, Hebrew, as"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":484.52,"endTime":489.83,"body":"a primary language. So why I"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":489.83,"endTime":493.31,"body":"give this comparison is just"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":489.83,"endTime":493.31,"body":"like I can pray in Hebrew and"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":493.31,"endTime":497.09,"body":"have memorized some things and"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":493.31,"endTime":497.09,"body":"can phonetically sing or chant"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":497.36,"endTime":500.9,"body":"in Hebrew, and I'll be honest,"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":497.36,"endTime":500.9,"body":"though, it is rusty, crusty now,"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":501.17,"endTime":505.97,"body":"I was taught to sound out Hebrew"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":501.17,"endTime":505.97,"body":"so that I could chant the Torah,"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":506.24,"endTime":508.85,"body":"which isn't reading at all. It's"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":506.24,"endTime":508.85,"body":"literally like phonetically"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":508.85,"endTime":512.72,"body":"sounding out the letters. I"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":508.85,"endTime":512.72,"body":"literally do not know Hebrew,"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":513.2,"endTime":517.37,"body":"samesies for Arabic, the Qur'an,"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":513.2,"endTime":517.37,"body":"and many, though not all,"},{"speaker":"the Torah for Jews","startTime":517.4,"endTime":518.36,"body":"Muslims."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":519.17,"endTime":522.92,"body":"You know, this,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":519.17,"endTime":522.92,"body":"darling nerds. But, just because"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":522.92,"endTime":525.74,"body":"a sacred text says something"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":522.92,"endTime":525.74,"body":"doesn't mean that all members of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":525.74,"endTime":529.85,"body":"that religion do exactly what"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":525.74,"endTime":529.85,"body":"the book says. So just like"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":529.85,"endTime":533.54,"body":"Christianity is way more than"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":529.85,"endTime":533.54,"body":"what the Bible says, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":533.54,"endTime":536.48,"body":"hopefully you remember Dr. Patel"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":533.54,"endTime":536.48,"body":"telling us last time that the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":536.48,"endTime":543.59,"body":"Bible says oh, so many things,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":536.48,"endTime":543.59,"body":"Islam is way, way, way, way, way"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":543.59,"endTime":548.06,"body":"more than what the Qur'an says."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":543.59,"endTime":548.06,"body":"Just because the Qur'an says"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":548.06,"endTime":551.21,"body":"something doesn't mean Muslims"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":548.06,"endTime":551.21,"body":"do it, right? Muslims are not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":551.21,"endTime":555.32,"body":"robots who get programmed by the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":551.21,"endTime":555.32,"body":"Qur'an. They are also not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":555.32,"endTime":558.83,"body":"vampires but with bacon instead"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":555.32,"endTime":558.83,"body":"of garlic, so please also knock"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":558.83,"endTime":559.52,"body":"that shit off."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":559.91,"endTime":560.3,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":561.38,"endTime":563.06,"body":"Welcome to the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":561.38,"endTime":563.06,"body":"dumb things we have to say"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":563.06,"endTime":565.7,"body":"because elected officials in the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":563.06,"endTime":565.7,"body":"US don't take religious studies"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":565.7,"endTime":568.82,"body":"classes, or listen to the pod."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":565.7,"endTime":568.82,"body":"So they pull ridiculous stunts,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":568.82,"endTime":571.28,"body":"like \"well, the Qur'an says\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":568.82,"endTime":571.28,"body":"(because they read a thing on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":571.28,"endTime":573.47,"body":"the internet or whatever"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":571.28,"endTime":573.47,"body":"boilerplate ALEC gave them to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":573.47,"endTime":577.04,"body":"read) and then try to pass"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":573.47,"endTime":577.04,"body":"bullshit, frequently racist as"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":577.04,"endTime":580.64,"body":"fuck, anti-muslim legislation,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":577.04,"endTime":580.64,"body":"which is trash."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":581.18,"endTime":584.39,"body":"It is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":581.18,"endTime":584.39,"body":"trash. The Qur'an is a hard"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":584.42,"endTime":588.92,"body":"text, beautiful, but hard."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":584.42,"endTime":588.92,"body":"Unlike the Jewish or Christian"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":588.92,"endTime":591.68,"body":"Bible, you don't- you don't,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":588.92,"endTime":591.68,"body":"like, pick it up, start on page"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":591.68,"endTime":595.67,"body":"one and then learn the history"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":591.68,"endTime":595.67,"body":"of the universe, or your people,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":595.67,"endTime":600.95,"body":"or revelation, in chronological"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":595.67,"endTime":600.95,"body":"order. The Qur'an sort of jumps"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":600.95,"endTime":606.08,"body":"around as you read it in- in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":600.95,"endTime":606.08,"body":"terms of stories and order. It"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":606.08,"endTime":609.32,"body":"assumes some familiarity with"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":606.08,"endTime":609.32,"body":"other Abrahamic stories and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":609.32,"endTime":617.0,"body":"ideas. And it's really, super"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":609.32,"endTime":617.0,"body":"poetic. Qur'an means recitation."},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":617.28,"endTime":619.2,"body":"It's our secret word of"},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":617.28,"endTime":619.2,"body":"the day."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":620.2,"endTime":622.42,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":620.2,"endTime":622.42,"body":"many scholars gloss this in two"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":622.42,"endTime":626.71,"body":"ways. First, that Muhammad"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":622.42,"endTime":626.71,"body":"received the Word of God from"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":626.71,"endTime":631.0,"body":"the angel Gabriel or Jabreel, so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":626.71,"endTime":631.0,"body":"the Qur'an is, like, literally"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":631.03,"endTime":637.36,"body":"Muhammad's recitation of that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":631.03,"endTime":637.36,"body":"revelation. And second, that the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":637.36,"endTime":642.73,"body":"Qur'an is meant to be recited,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":637.36,"endTime":642.73,"body":"which is to say that saying the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":642.73,"endTime":646.42,"body":"Qur'an is really important for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":642.73,"endTime":646.42,"body":"Muslim cultures, and some people"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":646.45,"endTime":650.05,"body":"even memorize the whole thing."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":646.45,"endTime":650.05,"body":"And folks who memorize it get a"},{"speaker":"special name","startTime":650.05,"endTime":652.09,"body":"hafez-e-quran."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":653.38,"endTime":657.01,"body":"That's cool. When"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":653.38,"endTime":657.01,"body":"we talk about it in my classes,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":657.04,"endTime":659.8,"body":"I point out that if the Qur'an"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":657.04,"endTime":659.8,"body":"is the recitation of the Word of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":659.8,"endTime":664.42,"body":"God, that means that if it's in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":659.8,"endTime":664.42,"body":"the Qur'an, God literally said"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":664.42,"endTime":667.84,"body":"that through Jabreel to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":664.42,"endTime":667.84,"body":"Muhammad, there's also, like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":667.84,"endTime":670.12,"body":"big 'Book of Mormon' vibes here,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":667.84,"endTime":670.12,"body":"by the way, but that's a that's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":670.12,"endTime":674.23,"body":"a whole 'nother conversation."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":670.12,"endTime":674.23,"body":"Short version, the Qur'an is not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":674.26,"endTime":679.63,"body":"the \"Muslim Bible.\" It's its own"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":674.26,"endTime":679.63,"body":"thing. And also only respecting"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":679.63,"endTime":682.42,"body":"another religion because it's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":679.63,"endTime":682.42,"body":"like Christianity is, wait for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":682.42,"endTime":684.25,"body":"it, Christian imperialism."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":684.67,"endTime":687.76,"body":"Yep,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":684.67,"endTime":687.76,"body":"you got that, right. The Qur'an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":687.76,"endTime":691.48,"body":"is not the \"Muslim Bible.\" It's-"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":687.76,"endTime":691.48,"body":"it's honestly a very different"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":691.48,"endTime":695.05,"body":"kind of text than the Christian"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":691.48,"endTime":695.05,"body":"Bible. And it's also not the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":695.05,"endTime":698.05,"body":"only text or set of teaching"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":695.05,"endTime":698.05,"body":"that guides Muslim thought and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":698.05,"endTime":702.61,"body":"practice. Muslims have a rich"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":698.05,"endTime":702.61,"body":"history of exegesis."},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":702.7,"endTime":704.59,"body":"It's our secret word of"},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":702.7,"endTime":704.59,"body":"the day,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":705.56,"endTime":708.35,"body":"Which"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":705.56,"endTime":708.35,"body":"is, ways to use other sacred and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":708.35,"endTime":712.67,"body":"vital sources and traditions to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":708.35,"endTime":712.67,"body":"make sense of the Qur'an, to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":712.67,"endTime":715.31,"body":"ensure that they're living"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":712.67,"endTime":715.31,"body":"ethically in their everyday"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":715.31,"endTime":717.98,"body":"lives. So for the nerds"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":715.31,"endTime":717.98,"body":"following along, I'm here"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":717.98,"endTime":719.96,"body":"referring to hadith and sunna."},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":720.11,"endTime":722.03,"body":"It's our secret word of"},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":720.11,"endTime":722.03,"body":"the day."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":722.96,"endTime":725.24,"body":"Sayings"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":722.96,"endTime":725.24,"body":"and actions of Muhammad."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":725.69,"endTime":727.76,"body":"So the hadith are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":725.69,"endTime":727.76,"body":"the sayings, and the sunna are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":727.76,"endTime":729.44,"body":"the actions of the Prophet"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":727.76,"endTime":729.44,"body":"Muhammad."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":729.47,"endTime":730.04,"body":"More"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":729.47,"endTime":730.04,"body":"or less."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":730.07,"endTime":730.37,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":730.49,"endTime":731.12,"body":"You"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":730.49,"endTime":731.12,"body":"got that."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":731.12,"endTime":734.78,"body":"Cool. Cool, cool,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":731.12,"endTime":734.78,"body":"cool. Okay, so point one, Islam"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":735.32,"endTime":739.16,"body":"is what Muslims do. And Muslims"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":735.32,"endTime":739.16,"body":"don't just do what the Qur'an"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":739.16,"endTime":740.81,"body":"says. What's next?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":741.38,"endTime":745.79,"body":"Shariah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":741.38,"endTime":745.79,"body":"I'm going to do my best, like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":745.82,"endTime":749.75,"body":"Inigo Montoya moment, but like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":745.82,"endTime":749.75,"body":"you keep using that word, and I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":749.75,"endTime":754.13,"body":"do not think it means what you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":749.75,"endTime":754.13,"body":"think it means. And also, you do"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":754.13,"endTime":757.1,"body":"not know what it means. In fact,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":754.13,"endTime":757.1,"body":"I know that you don't know what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":757.1,"endTime":760.58,"body":"it means because I'm an expert"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":757.1,"endTime":760.58,"body":"in Islam, and I hear it all the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":760.58,"endTime":766.67,"body":"time. You don't know. So let's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":760.58,"endTime":766.67,"body":"talk about it. What is Shariah"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":766.7,"endTime":770.33,"body":"anyway? I have to admit, I have"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":766.7,"endTime":770.33,"body":"a love-hate relationship with"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":770.33,"endTime":773.66,"body":"this word, not what it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":770.33,"endTime":773.66,"body":"represents, but this word much"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":773.66,"endTime":777.95,"body":"like hijab. So many Westerners"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":773.66,"endTime":777.95,"body":"and Americans though, like, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":777.95,"endTime":780.2,"body":"see you too, Brits and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":777.95,"endTime":780.2,"body":"Frenchies-"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":780.29,"endTime":781.49,"body":"Fuckin' French,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":780.29,"endTime":781.49,"body":"man."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":781.48,"endTime":785.32,"body":"For"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":781.48,"endTime":785.32,"body":"real. I see y'all, and so many"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":785.32,"endTime":789.79,"body":"of y'all think that- think"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":785.32,"endTime":789.79,"body":"Islam, and hear Shariah, which"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":789.79,"endTime":791.17,"body":"is to say, law."},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":792.25,"endTime":794.17,"body":"It's our secret word of"},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":792.25,"endTime":794.17,"body":"the day."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":795.22,"endTime":799.18,"body":"As if"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":795.22,"endTime":799.18,"body":"that means one thing. It is not."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":799.6,"endTime":806.08,"body":"As if it is set in stone, LOL,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":799.6,"endTime":806.08,"body":"nope. And as if all Muslims in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":806.08,"endTime":810.88,"body":"all places, in all times agree"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":806.08,"endTime":810.88,"body":"on things, all of them. Like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":810.88,"endTime":815.8,"body":"come the fuck on. So Shariah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":810.88,"endTime":815.8,"body":"which we can call law, and its"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":815.8,"endTime":820.99,"body":"sibling term fiqh, which means"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":815.8,"endTime":820.99,"body":"jurisprudence, rely on the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":820.99,"endTime":827.56,"body":"Qur'an, Hadith, Sunna, as well"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":820.99,"endTime":827.56,"body":"as cultural norms, analogy, big"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":827.56,"endTime":831.73,"body":"picture themes, history, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":827.56,"endTime":831.73,"body":"yes, science."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":832.63,"endTime":834.91,"body":"Wow, it sounds"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":832.63,"endTime":834.91,"body":"like Shariah is maybe really"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":834.91,"endTime":837.19,"body":"complicated. Hmm."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":837.31,"endTime":838.33,"body":"Just"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":837.31,"endTime":838.33,"body":"like a little."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":839.89,"endTime":842.32,"body":"My students"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":839.89,"endTime":842.32,"body":"always, always, always have"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":842.32,"endTime":845.35,"body":"questions about Shariah even if"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":842.32,"endTime":845.35,"body":"they don't know that word. So"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":845.35,"endTime":848.53,"body":"like Americans seem very"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":845.35,"endTime":848.53,"body":"concerned about being told they"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":848.53,"endTime":850.72,"body":"can't do stuff. You might have"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":848.53,"endTime":850.72,"body":"noticed this if you've spent"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":850.72,"endTime":853.42,"body":"some time in the United States,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":850.72,"endTime":853.42,"body":"or what's now the United States."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":853.81,"endTime":856.66,"body":"Americans don't like being told"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":853.81,"endTime":856.66,"body":"that the United States wasn't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":856.66,"endTime":860.2,"body":"always the United States for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":856.66,"endTime":860.2,"body":"starters. Anyway. So like lots"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":860.2,"endTime":864.4,"body":"of people know that Islam"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":860.2,"endTime":864.4,"body":"forbids alcohol. But it seems"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":864.4,"endTime":867.61,"body":"like they assume alcohol isn't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":864.4,"endTime":867.61,"body":"allowed because Muslims, like, I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":867.61,"endTime":871.99,"body":"don't know hate fun and also"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":867.61,"endTime":871.99,"body":"freedom. Spoilers, nerds."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":872.29,"endTime":875.56,"body":"Muslims love fun, because"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":872.29,"endTime":875.56,"body":"Muslims are human beings. But"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":875.56,"endTime":878.8,"body":"Islam, like many other religions"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":875.56,"endTime":878.8,"body":"doesn't want folks to drink"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":878.95,"endTime":882.31,"body":"because alcohol (this will"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":878.95,"endTime":882.31,"body":"surprise you) gets you drunk."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":882.34,"endTime":882.76,"body":"No!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":883.14,"endTime":885.99,"body":"No, it's true."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":883.14,"endTime":885.99,"body":"Uh, and it's hard to focus on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":885.99,"endTime":888.99,"body":"living the kind of life God"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":885.99,"endTime":888.99,"body":"wants you to lead, if you're"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":888.99,"endTime":893.4,"body":"hammered. Just- it's harder. But"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":888.99,"endTime":893.4,"body":"okay, okay. Does this mean that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":893.4,"endTime":896.46,"body":"all substances that mess with"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":893.4,"endTime":896.46,"body":"your brain are haram, forbidden,"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":896.49,"endTime":900.72,"body":"it's"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":896.49,"endTime":900.72,"body":"complicated. Because of course"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":900.72,"endTime":902.97,"body":"it is. Because religion is"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":900.72,"endTime":902.97,"body":"messy, and people are messy."},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":903.33,"endTime":906.84,"body":"Islam has a really rich history"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":903.33,"endTime":906.84,"body":"of legal thought and philosophy"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":907.02,"endTime":909.87,"body":"so there's a lot of arguing"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":907.02,"endTime":909.87,"body":"about how to interpret the"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":909.87,"endTime":914.49,"body":"alcohol substances ban in real"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":909.87,"endTime":914.49,"body":"world contexts. Shariah isn't"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":914.49,"endTime":917.94,"body":"rules for the sake of rules,"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":914.49,"endTime":917.94,"body":"it's careful, nuanced, thinking"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":918.15,"endTime":921.09,"body":"about how to be who God wants"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":918.15,"endTime":921.09,"body":"you to be, while you're living"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":921.09,"endTime":925.89,"body":"in the real, messy world. So"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":921.09,"endTime":925.89,"body":"okay, mind altering substances"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":925.92,"endTime":929.49,"body":"not allowed. But what happens if"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":925.92,"endTime":929.49,"body":"you go in for surgery and you're"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":929.49,"endTime":931.68,"body":"prescribed narcotics for pain"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":929.49,"endTime":931.68,"body":"and anesthesia for the"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":931.68,"endTime":934.86,"body":"procedure? Is that also"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":931.68,"endTime":934.86,"body":"prohibited? Because of the"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":934.86,"endTime":938.64,"body":"premise of being unable to focus"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":934.86,"endTime":938.64,"body":"up on the big guy? And yeah,"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":938.67,"endTime":940.68,"body":"like, the divine is"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":938.67,"endTime":940.68,"body":"grammatically male here, or"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":940.98,"endTime":945.84,"body":"grammatically masculine anyway."},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":940.98,"endTime":945.84,"body":"No, no, it is not forbidden to"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":945.84,"endTime":948.33,"body":"have anesthesia. It's not"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":945.84,"endTime":948.33,"body":"forbidden to have narcotics for"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":948.33,"endTime":951.69,"body":"pain. Human life is sacred, we"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":948.33,"endTime":951.69,"body":"should help each other. We"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":951.69,"endTime":954.75,"body":"should protect and preserve"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":951.69,"endTime":954.75,"body":"life. Islamic clerics and"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":954.75,"endTime":958.29,"body":"scholars interpret the Qur'an,"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":954.75,"endTime":958.29,"body":"Hadith and Sunna all to support"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":958.29,"endTime":961.2,"body":"this line of thinking. If you"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":958.29,"endTime":961.2,"body":"need drugs, to manage pain, to"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":961.2,"endTime":964.89,"body":"have surgery, God is fine with"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":961.2,"endTime":964.89,"body":"that because God wants you to"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":964.89,"endTime":969.84,"body":"live. God does not want you to"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":964.89,"endTime":969.84,"body":"get crunk, but God definitely"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":969.87,"endTime":972.72,"body":"would rather you have"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":969.87,"endTime":972.72,"body":"anesthesia, then, like, let your"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":972.72,"endTime":975.84,"body":"appendix burst. That's- that's"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":972.72,"endTime":975.84,"body":"just not a good plan. So okay,"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":975.84,"endTime":977.82,"body":"and last thing, because I've"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":975.84,"endTime":977.82,"body":"been talking a lot, because I"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":977.82,"endTime":980.94,"body":"got excited because I knew a"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":977.82,"endTime":980.94,"body":"thing. Muslims, as you might"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":980.94,"endTime":984.51,"body":"remember, are people. And"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":980.94,"endTime":984.51,"body":"people, as you might also"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":984.51,"endTime":988.92,"body":"remember, are messy. So, like,"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":984.51,"endTime":988.92,"body":"some Muslims drink, some Muslims"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":988.92,"endTime":992.19,"body":"eat pork, people do stuff, and"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":988.92,"endTime":992.19,"body":"it's complicated. Don't assume"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":992.19,"endTime":994.14,"body":"that you know, everything there"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":992.19,"endTime":994.14,"body":"is to know about a person"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":994.14,"endTime":998.61,"body":"because you know they're Muslim."},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":994.14,"endTime":998.61,"body":"And hey, also, don't assume that"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":998.61,"endTime":1002.12,"body":"drinking or eating pork or doing"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":998.61,"endTime":1002.12,"body":"other shit Americans like, makes"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":1002.18,"endTime":1005.96,"body":"someone a \"good Muslim,\" as"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":1002.18,"endTime":1005.96,"body":"opposed to the more observant"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":1005.96,"endTime":1008.84,"body":"folks. Shit isn't better because"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":1005.96,"endTime":1008.84,"body":"Americans encourage you to do"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":1008.84,"endTime":1011.87,"body":"it. In fact, quite the opposite"},{"speaker":"to Muslims? The answer is","startTime":1008.84,"endTime":1011.87,"body":"a lot of the time."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1011.0,"endTime":1015.83,"body":"Ugh,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1011.0,"endTime":1015.83,"body":"exactly. Like my mom's bacon"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1015.83,"endTime":1019.97,"body":"double cheeseburger doesn't make"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1015.83,"endTime":1019.97,"body":"her a better American and a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1019.97,"endTime":1025.49,"body":"worse Jew. It means her Judaism"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1019.97,"endTime":1025.49,"body":"is complicated. Samesies for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1025.49,"endTime":1029.54,"body":"Muslims who also like a bacon,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1025.49,"endTime":1029.54,"body":"or loves booze. So again, point"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1029.54,"endTime":1032.78,"body":"number two, Shariah probably"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1029.54,"endTime":1032.78,"body":"doesn't mean what you think it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1032.78,"endTime":1036.8,"body":"means, and also Americans are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1032.78,"endTime":1036.8,"body":"not role models. Sorted."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1038.91,"endTime":1041.67,"body":"Americans are not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1038.91,"endTime":1041.67,"body":"role models. Okay, okay. Okay."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1041.79,"endTime":1043.92,"body":"Do we get to talk about the cool"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1041.79,"endTime":1043.92,"body":"stories in the Qur'an now? The"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1043.92,"endTime":1046.44,"body":"ones we never get to hear"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1043.92,"endTime":1046.44,"body":"because Muslims are constantly"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1046.44,"endTime":1048.75,"body":"having to defend their basic"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1046.44,"endTime":1048.75,"body":"humanity in this damn country,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1049.05,"endTime":1050.07,"body":"fucking finally?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1050.64,"endTime":1052.5,"body":"Yes,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1050.64,"endTime":1052.5,"body":"at long last."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1052.62,"endTime":1052.86,"body":"Huzzuh!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1053.7,"endTime":1056.82,"body":"People"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1053.7,"endTime":1056.82,"body":"always hear about \"no alcohol is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1056.82,"endTime":1060.93,"body":"in the Qur'an\" and \"jihad is in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1056.82,"endTime":1060.93,"body":"the Qur'an,\" and I actually want"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1060.93,"endTime":1063.54,"body":"to spend some time talking about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1060.93,"endTime":1063.54,"body":"the shit that people never hear"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1063.54,"endTime":1065.22,"body":"about, because that's really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1063.54,"endTime":1065.22,"body":"fun, and interesting, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1065.22,"endTime":1068.34,"body":"complicated, and overlooked"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1065.22,"endTime":1068.34,"body":"precisely because white"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1068.34,"endTime":1071.37,"body":"Christian cultures have vilified"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1068.34,"endTime":1071.37,"body":"Islam so thoroughly and so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1071.37,"endTime":1074.79,"body":"consistently, that we assume"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1071.37,"endTime":1074.79,"body":"there is nothing fun or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1074.82,"endTime":1080.28,"body":"interesting or complicated in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1074.82,"endTime":1080.28,"body":"Islam, which is to say, it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1080.28,"endTime":1081.27,"body":"time to talk jinn."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1081.6,"endTime":1084.78,"body":"Yes. You know, I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1081.6,"endTime":1084.78,"body":"love a mythical and sometimes"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1084.78,"endTime":1088.29,"body":"scary story. Please, please,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1084.78,"endTime":1088.29,"body":"please, let's do this."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1088.32,"endTime":1088.59,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1088.62,"endTime":1089.46,"body":"Talk to me about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1088.62,"endTime":1089.46,"body":"jinn."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1089.9,"endTime":1092.96,"body":"You"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1089.9,"endTime":1092.96,"body":"got it. So jinn, \"JINN,\" are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1092.96,"endTime":1098.66,"body":"most famous in the English"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1092.96,"endTime":1098.66,"body":"language as genies like Robin"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1098.66,"endTime":1102.05,"body":"William's really horrible,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1098.66,"endTime":1102.05,"body":"racist, genie in Aladin. May he"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1102.05,"endTime":1103.91,"body":"rest, but may that character"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1102.05,"endTime":1103.91,"body":"rot."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1106.04,"endTime":1108.11,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1106.04,"endTime":1108.11,"body":"People are messy and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1108.11,"endTime":1108.74,"body":"complicated-"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1108.92,"endTime":1109.91,"body":"They"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1108.92,"endTime":1109.91,"body":"are. I do not like that movie."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1109.0,"endTime":1111.58,"body":"But that movie is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1109.0,"endTime":1111.58,"body":"a fucking problem. No, it's a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1111.58,"endTime":1112.45,"body":"fucking problem."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1112.99,"endTime":1115.24,"body":"Racist"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1112.99,"endTime":1115.24,"body":"from top- tip to tail."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1115.78,"endTime":1117.13,"body":"Remember when"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1115.78,"endTime":1117.13,"body":"Sajida tried to get me to sing"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1117.13,"endTime":1118.81,"body":"\"A Whole New World\" and I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1117.13,"endTime":1118.81,"body":"refused to do a hate crime to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1118.81,"endTime":1119.74,"body":"her? Yes. Anyway, sorry."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1120.38,"endTime":1121.61,"body":"That-"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1120.38,"endTime":1121.61,"body":"well- that's a story for a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1121.61,"endTime":1125.57,"body":"different day. But anyway, we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1121.61,"endTime":1125.57,"body":"see this in genies, right?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1125.57,"endTime":1128.24,"body":"That's the way that this word"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1125.57,"endTime":1128.24,"body":"jinn shows up in the English"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1128.24,"endTime":1131.51,"body":"language. It's not a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1128.24,"endTime":1131.51,"body":"translation. It's like- that is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1131.51,"endTime":1133.64,"body":"how it shows up in English. It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1131.51,"endTime":1133.64,"body":"the same thing we're talking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1133.64,"endTime":1138.68,"body":"about. But, like, actual jinn,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1133.64,"endTime":1138.68,"body":"not these caricatures that show"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1138.68,"endTime":1146.27,"body":"up in Anglophone stories, actual"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1138.68,"endTime":1146.27,"body":"jinn are shape-shifting spirits"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1146.36,"endTime":1150.47,"body":"made of fire and air with"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1146.36,"endTime":1150.47,"body":"origins in pre-Islamic Arabia."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1150.8,"endTime":1154.22,"body":"They are absolutely mentioned in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1150.8,"endTime":1154.22,"body":"the Qur'an, so these aren't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1154.31,"endTime":1160.4,"body":"adjacent to Islamic scriptures,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1154.31,"endTime":1160.4,"body":"or Islamic texts, or Islamic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1160.4,"endTime":1164.06,"body":"communities. They are right"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1160.4,"endTime":1164.06,"body":"there in the holy book. And they"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1164.06,"endTime":1167.81,"body":"are a major presence in legends,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1164.06,"endTime":1167.81,"body":"stories, fairy tales; daily"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1167.81,"endTime":1170.24,"body":"lives of Muslims around the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1167.81,"endTime":1170.24,"body":"world."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1170.69,"endTime":1172.13,"body":"So wait, can I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1170.69,"endTime":1172.13,"body":"ask a question?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1172.16,"endTime":1172.52,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1172.97,"endTime":1175.46,"body":"How did we get"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1172.97,"endTime":1175.46,"body":"from spirits made of fire and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1175.46,"endTime":1180.98,"body":"air to Robin Williams? Is it- Is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1175.46,"endTime":1180.98,"body":"it colonialism?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1181.86,"endTime":1183.63,"body":"It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1181.86,"endTime":1183.63,"body":"like a little bit colonialism."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1183.66,"endTime":1186.51,"body":"It's also like, really- Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1183.66,"endTime":1186.51,"body":"it's colonialism. Why don't I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1186.51,"endTime":1189.42,"body":"just say that. It's like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1186.51,"endTime":1189.42,"body":"imperial ways of translating the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1189.45,"endTime":1192.18,"body":"\"One Thousand and One Nights.\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1189.45,"endTime":1192.18,"body":"And for more of that you should-"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1192.21,"endTime":1194.67,"body":"you should really go check out"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1192.21,"endTime":1194.67,"body":"Rachel Schine's work. She does"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1194.67,"endTime":1197.76,"body":"really amazing work on Arabic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1194.67,"endTime":1197.76,"body":"literature and pre-modern"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1197.76,"endTime":1198.87,"body":"definitions of race."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1198.99,"endTime":1200.37,"body":"Cool. I love her"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1198.99,"endTime":1200.37,"body":"on the Twitters."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1200.4,"endTime":1203.79,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1200.4,"endTime":1203.79,"body":"Okay, but folks always ask when"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1203.79,"endTime":1206.61,"body":"we're talking about jinn, not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1203.79,"endTime":1206.61,"body":"just like how did those guys get"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1206.61,"endTime":1212.58,"body":"in bottles, but also- or like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1206.61,"endTime":1212.58,"body":"lamps or whatever. And like your"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1212.58,"endTime":1215.13,"body":"ears should perk up, nerds,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1212.58,"endTime":1215.13,"body":"right? Like when it's a thing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1215.13,"endTime":1217.17,"body":"that you wouldn't say in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1215.13,"endTime":1217.17,"body":"English, but sounds like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1217.17,"endTime":1220.86,"body":"something that's been preserved"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1217.17,"endTime":1220.86,"body":"in stories. Like your ears"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1220.86,"endTime":1223.26,"body":"should perk up as like, \"hmm,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1220.86,"endTime":1223.26,"body":"sounds like an Orientalism. Is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1223.26,"endTime":1227.16,"body":"this an Orientalism?\" Yeah. The"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1223.26,"endTime":1227.16,"body":"answer is yes, right? Just like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1227.16,"endTime":1230.64,"body":"the only people who ever \"grant"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1227.16,"endTime":1230.64,"body":"boons\" are Hindu deities, like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1230.64,"endTime":1234.78,"body":"that word exists in English only"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1230.64,"endTime":1234.78,"body":"so that we can talk about in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1234.78,"endTime":1235.98,"body":"Hindu Gods, anyway."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1236.82,"endTime":1238.2,"body":"And Robin Hood!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1236.82,"endTime":1238.2,"body":"Sorry."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1238.26,"endTime":1240.63,"body":"That's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1238.26,"endTime":1240.63,"body":"true. It's true, but same era."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1240.9,"endTime":1243.42,"body":"Yeah, it's not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1240.9,"endTime":1243.42,"body":"not about the Crusades. Oh,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1243.42,"endTime":1245.1,"body":"look, Orientalism again, anyway."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1245.0,"endTime":1247.19,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1245.0,"endTime":1247.19,"body":"yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But when"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1247.19,"endTime":1250.67,"body":"we talk about jinn, folks always"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1247.19,"endTime":1250.67,"body":"ask, like, what do we mean that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1250.67,"endTime":1253.4,"body":"the shapeshifters are in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1250.67,"endTime":1253.4,"body":"Qur'an? Like, that just sounds"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1253.4,"endTime":1255.86,"body":"like a ghost story. What do you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1253.4,"endTime":1255.86,"body":"mean that there's ghost stories"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1255.86,"endTime":1260.18,"body":"in the Qur'an? And listen, even"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1255.86,"endTime":1260.18,"body":"though we think of genies as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1260.18,"endTime":1264.47,"body":"like, somewhat demonic or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1260.18,"endTime":1264.47,"body":"problematic or like really bad,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1264.59,"endTime":1268.28,"body":"like, bar jokes- like really bad"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1264.59,"endTime":1268.28,"body":"bar jokes, but the thing is, is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1268.28,"endTime":1272.48,"body":"that jinn are neither good nor"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1268.28,"endTime":1272.48,"body":"bad. And there are verses of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1272.48,"endTime":1274.94,"body":"Qur'an, the sacred text, that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1272.48,"endTime":1274.94,"body":"talk about them, and I think"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1274.94,"endTime":1278.51,"body":"it's something like 28 or 30"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1274.94,"endTime":1278.51,"body":"times they show up in the Qur'an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1278.54,"endTime":1283.7,"body":"as named. 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How"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1293.27,"endTime":1297.83,"body":"they recant their beliefs and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1293.27,"endTime":1297.83,"body":"false gods and instead venerate"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1297.83,"endTime":1301.97,"body":"Muhammad for his monotheism when"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1297.83,"endTime":1301.97,"body":"he brings the revelation to the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1301.97,"endTime":1305.69,"body":"jinn. And they show up in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1301.97,"endTime":1305.69,"body":"Qur'an as part of Solomon's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1305.72,"endTime":1310.07,"body":"deal, right? So like in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1305.72,"endTime":1310.07,"body":"Qur'an, Solomon is there and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1310.07,"endTime":1313.7,"body":"part of his deal is he can talk"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1310.07,"endTime":1313.7,"body":"with animals and also the jinn."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1315.23,"endTime":1318.08,"body":"So not just in the Qur'an,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1315.23,"endTime":1318.08,"body":"though, jinn also show up in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1318.14,"endTime":1320.66,"body":"other spaces of sacred"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1318.14,"endTime":1320.66,"body":"literature, specifically in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1320.66,"endTime":1324.11,"body":"Hadith, the sayings of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1320.66,"endTime":1324.11,"body":"Prophet Muhammad. And then of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1324.11,"endTime":1327.02,"body":"course, because they're in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1324.11,"endTime":1327.02,"body":"Qur'an and in the Hadith, they"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1327.05,"endTime":1330.95,"body":"also show up in all of these"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1327.05,"endTime":1330.95,"body":"exegetical works. Works that are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1330.95,"endTime":1337.64,"body":"trying to figure out what a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1330.95,"endTime":1337.64,"body":"pithy and often complicated and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1338.15,"endTime":1345.14,"body":"hard to read texts are- are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1338.15,"endTime":1345.14,"body":"trying to say. So, jinn are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1345.14,"endTime":1348.77,"body":"really present. 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And I'm thinking"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1383.95,"endTime":1386.38,"body":"here of like Matt Ruff's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1386.38,"endTime":1389.83,"body":"\"Mirage,\" which I did not love,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1386.38,"endTime":1389.83,"body":"and Maria Headley's \"The Mere"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1389.83,"endTime":1391.66,"body":"Wife,\" which I definitely did"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1389.83,"endTime":1391.66,"body":"love."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1392.02,"endTime":1393.82,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1392.02,"endTime":1393.82,"body":"yeah, these show up in a lot of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1393.82,"endTime":1396.64,"body":"places. And if I think about it,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1393.82,"endTime":1396.64,"body":"we'll give some more readings on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1396.64,"endTime":1402.16,"body":"appropriation later on. For many"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1396.64,"endTime":1402.16,"body":"Muslims, jinn are just, like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1402.16,"endTime":1405.82,"body":"legitimately a present part of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1402.16,"endTime":1405.82,"body":"life. And I want you to hear"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1405.82,"endTime":1410.89,"body":"this sometimes as \"superstition\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1405.82,"endTime":1410.89,"body":"or \"old wives tales.\" And I put"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1410.89,"endTime":1413.14,"body":"that in quotes, because as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1410.89,"endTime":1413.14,"body":"religion scholars, we know that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1413.14,"endTime":1415.72,"body":"religion is what people do. So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1413.14,"endTime":1415.72,"body":"like, it's not our job to call"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1415.72,"endTime":1418.48,"body":"things superstitious. And I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1415.72,"endTime":1418.48,"body":"certainly don't like \"old wives"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1418.48,"endTime":1418.84,"body":"tale,\" but-"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1418.84,"endTime":1421.57,"body":"I was gonna say,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1418.84,"endTime":1421.57,"body":"like, \"oh, older women do this."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1421.57,"endTime":1425.17,"body":"So it must have no value\" is-"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1421.57,"endTime":1425.17,"body":"uh, don't- don't love that."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1425.17,"endTime":1426.19,"body":"Don't love that."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1426.27,"endTime":1428.94,"body":"That's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1426.27,"endTime":1428.94,"body":"exactly right. But wearing or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1428.94,"endTime":1433.41,"body":"hanging nazar, that big blue eye"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1428.94,"endTime":1433.41,"body":"popular in Turkey, and now"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1433.41,"endTime":1438.21,"body":"available as an emoji on most"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1433.41,"endTime":1438.21,"body":"phones. And it's really popular"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1438.21,"endTime":1440.79,"body":"in Turkey in particular, but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1438.21,"endTime":1440.79,"body":"it's also present throughout"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1441.06,"endTime":1445.56,"body":"North Africa, the Middle East,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1441.06,"endTime":1445.56,"body":"Southwest Asia, and more. That"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1445.56,"endTime":1449.61,"body":"symbol is about keeping the evil"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1445.56,"endTime":1449.61,"body":"eye out of your house or off of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1449.61,"endTime":1454.17,"body":"your person. And part of that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1449.61,"endTime":1454.17,"body":"evil eye can be about tempting"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1454.17,"endTime":1459.06,"body":"the jinn. But that said, jinn"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1454.17,"endTime":1459.06,"body":"aren't actually good or bad."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1459.09,"endTime":1462.48,"body":"They're duplicitous, which is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1459.09,"endTime":1462.48,"body":"part of their appeal and allure,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1462.48,"endTime":1466.98,"body":"I think, in folktales, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1462.48,"endTime":1466.98,"body":"popular imagination. They can"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1466.98,"endTime":1470.73,"body":"take the form of other things,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1466.98,"endTime":1470.73,"body":"they're literally shapeshifters."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1470.88,"endTime":1473.28,"body":"And that's where that like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1470.88,"endTime":1473.28,"body":"smokin' air thing comes in."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1473.79,"endTime":1476.4,"body":"Sometimes they're used"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1473.79,"endTime":1476.4,"body":"narratively to teach a lesson"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1476.4,"endTime":1481.02,"body":"about trust or fidelity. Other"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1476.4,"endTime":1481.02,"body":"times they show up and they just"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1481.02,"endTime":1483.75,"body":"trick you, right? Like there's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1481.02,"endTime":1483.75,"body":"all sorts of purposes to the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1483.75,"endTime":1488.7,"body":"jinn. Jinn live in this realm,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1483.75,"endTime":1488.7,"body":"the realm that you and I live"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1488.7,"endTime":1494.4,"body":"in, but they also live in realms"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1488.7,"endTime":1494.4,"body":"that are invisible. 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Is it- Is it imperialism?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1599.25,"endTime":1600.84,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1599.25,"endTime":1600.84,"body":"mean, yeah, the answer is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1600.84,"endTime":1601.65,"body":"Imperialism."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1602.73,"endTime":1603.36,"body":"Fuckers."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1604.62,"endTime":1605.67,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1604.62,"endTime":1605.67,"body":"guess we put in the like \"womp"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1605.67,"endTime":1606.87,"body":"womp\" sound effect here."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1612.33,"endTime":1616.2,"body":"And the answer is imperialism in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1612.33,"endTime":1616.2,"body":"part, because the narrative"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1616.23,"endTime":1620.28,"body":"about Islam, which, like, let's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1616.23,"endTime":1620.28,"body":"be real, was never glowing in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1620.28,"endTime":1624.78,"body":"Europe before modernity, or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1620.28,"endTime":1624.78,"body":"before modern imperialism. 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But often when we talk"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1660.09,"endTime":1665.1,"body":"about Africa, Asia, what we now"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1660.09,"endTime":1665.1,"body":"call the Middle East, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1665.1,"endTime":1670.8,"body":"Southeast Asia, we date it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1665.1,"endTime":1670.8,"body":"closer to 1700, or 1750."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1670.8,"endTime":1670.89,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1671.38,"endTime":1674.59,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1671.38,"endTime":1674.59,"body":"that moment of conquest. And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1674.59,"endTime":1680.08,"body":"before that, you had a European"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1674.59,"endTime":1680.08,"body":"understanding of Islam as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1680.08,"endTime":1683.53,"body":"something like \"This is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1680.08,"endTime":1683.53,"body":"heretical. 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Did you write"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1728.23,"endTime":1730.9,"body":"a whole book about this?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1730.84,"endTime":1734.59,"body":"I did."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1730.84,"endTime":1734.59,"body":"I did, indeed. But this global"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1734.59,"endTime":1737.98,"body":"racialization and vilification"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1734.59,"endTime":1737.98,"body":"of Muslims is in a very large"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1737.98,"endTime":1741.4,"body":"part a product of modern"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1737.98,"endTime":1741.4,"body":"colonialism and imperialism,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1741.64,"endTime":1744.64,"body":"which scholar Nauman Naqvi"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1741.64,"endTime":1744.64,"body":"recently called \"apartheid"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1744.64,"endTime":1749.11,"body":"modernity,\" and I really need us"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1744.64,"endTime":1749.11,"body":"to co-opt and use and cite him"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1749.11,"endTime":1750.79,"body":"forever for using this phrase."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1750.82,"endTime":1753.43,"body":"Yeah, I'm gonna"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1750.82,"endTime":1753.43,"body":"need that one. 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It"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1945.8,"endTime":1949.28,"body":"also sounds like there are some"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1945.8,"endTime":1949.28,"body":"super cool stories in the Qur'an"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1949.46,"endTime":1952.52,"body":"that I didn't even know existed,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1949.46,"endTime":1952.52,"body":"because I'm so busy walking dumb"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1952.52,"endTime":1954.95,"body":"Bunnies on the internet through"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1952.52,"endTime":1954.95,"body":"bad faith arguments about gender"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1954.95,"endTime":1958.46,"body":"and frickin' jihad. I didn't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1954.95,"endTime":1958.46,"body":"know jinn were in the sacred"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1958.46,"endTime":1961.76,"body":"texts, but they are, and now I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1958.46,"endTime":1961.76,"body":"demand to know more."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1962.51,"endTime":1965.54,"body":"Well,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1962.51,"endTime":1965.54,"body":"good news. Ali Olomi is coming"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1965.54,"endTime":1967.43,"body":"next time for just that purpose."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1967.49,"endTime":1968.69,"body":"Huzzah!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1976.91,"endTime":1980.48,"body":"Listen! You smell something?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1976.91,"endTime":1980.48,"body":"It's STORY TIME."},{"speaker":"Krusty the Klown","startTime":1979.91,"endTime":1984.29,"body":"Hey kids, it's"},{"speaker":"Krusty the Klown","startTime":1979.91,"endTime":1984.29,"body":"story time!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1984.96,"endTime":1988.2,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1984.96,"endTime":1988.2,"body":"I've been talking a lot. So this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1988.2,"endTime":1991.05,"body":"storytime is short and I have to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1988.2,"endTime":1991.05,"body":"admit a little dizzying, but I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1991.05,"endTime":1995.79,"body":"hope sweet. So Shahab Ahmed, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1991.05,"endTime":1995.79,"body":"late historian of Islam and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1995.79,"endTime":2001.58,"body":"author whose verbose 609 page"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1995.79,"endTime":2001.58,"body":"tome, \"What is Islam\" talked"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2001.58,"endTime":2004.79,"body":"about, in part, the stuff we've"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2001.58,"endTime":2004.79,"body":"been talking about. How Islam is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2004.79,"endTime":2011.45,"body":"central and unknown, all at"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2004.79,"endTime":2011.45,"body":"once. So, he wrote, \"A"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2012.32,"endTime":2016.61,"body":"meaningful conceptualization of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2012.32,"endTime":2016.61,"body":"'Islam' as theoretical object"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2016.64,"endTime":2020.6,"body":"and analytical category must"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2016.64,"endTime":2020.6,"body":"come to terms with- indeed be"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2020.6,"endTime":2024.32,"body":"coherent with- the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2020.6,"endTime":2024.32,"body":"capaciousness, complexity, and,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2024.32,"endTime":2028.79,"body":"often, outright contraction that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2024.32,"endTime":2028.79,"body":"obtains within the historical"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2028.79,"endTime":2031.73,"body":"phenomenon that has proceeded"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2028.79,"endTime":2031.73,"body":"from the human engagement with"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2031.73,"endTime":2035.6,"body":"the idea and reality of Divine"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2031.73,"endTime":2035.6,"body":"Communication to Muhammad, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2035.6,"endTime":2038.93,"body":"Messenger of God. It is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2035.6,"endTime":2038.93,"body":"precisely this correspondence"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2038.93,"endTime":2043.1,"body":"and coherence between Islam as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2038.93,"endTime":2043.1,"body":"theoretical object or analytical"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2043.1,"endTime":2048.62,"body":"category and Islam as real"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2043.1,"endTime":2048.62,"body":"historical phenomenon that is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2048.62,"endTime":2051.53,"body":"considerably and crucially"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2048.62,"endTime":2051.53,"body":"lacking in the prevalent"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2051.53,"endTime":2057.41,"body":"conceptualizations of the term"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2051.53,"endTime":2057.41,"body":"'Islam/Islamic'\" (Ahmed 6)."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2057.83,"endTime":2060.32,"body":"Goodwin, what do you make of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2057.83,"endTime":2060.32,"body":"that?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2060.69,"endTime":2064.62,"body":"Woof. Okay. Okay."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2060.69,"endTime":2064.62,"body":"So it sounds to me, uh, on a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2064.62,"endTime":2067.92,"body":"super basic level, like, Dr."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2064.62,"endTime":2067.92,"body":"Ahmed is saying Islam is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2067.92,"endTime":2071.49,"body":"complicated, and changes over"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2067.92,"endTime":2071.49,"body":"time, and is what Muslims do-"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2071.91,"endTime":2074.73,"body":"all of what Muslims do, not just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2071.91,"endTime":2074.73,"body":"the parts that fit into our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2074.73,"endTime":2079.2,"body":"assumptions about who Muslims"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2074.73,"endTime":2079.2,"body":"are, or what Islam is. But the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2079.2,"endTime":2081.78,"body":"other thing that really struck"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2079.2,"endTime":2081.78,"body":"me when you're reading this is,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2082.38,"endTime":2086.04,"body":"alright, this is this is maybe a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2082.38,"endTime":2086.04,"body":"little in the weeds, so forgive"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2086.04,"endTime":2091.71,"body":"me, but I think a lot of folks"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2086.04,"endTime":2091.71,"body":"assume that Islamic Studies"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2091.71,"endTime":2097.05,"body":"doesn't do, like, theory of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2091.71,"endTime":2097.05,"body":"religion, and looking at even"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2097.05,"endTime":2103.38,"body":"this short chunk of what I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2097.05,"endTime":2103.38,"body":"suspect is a very dense text,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2103.62,"endTime":2106.89,"body":"like, these two sentences are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2103.62,"endTime":2106.89,"body":"saying to me, we both need to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2106.89,"endTime":2111.09,"body":"take Divine Presence seriously,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2106.89,"endTime":2111.09,"body":"we need to take contact with the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2111.09,"endTime":2116.61,"body":"divine seriously, the history of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2111.09,"endTime":2116.61,"body":"Islam, and the complexity of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2116.61,"endTime":2120.93,"body":"Muslim lives, all of that should"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2116.61,"endTime":2120.93,"body":"inform how we're thinking, not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2120.93,"endTime":2124.44,"body":"just about Islam, but how we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2120.93,"endTime":2124.44,"body":"think about religion. This seems"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2124.44,"endTime":2126.6,"body":"like it could be a really"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2124.44,"endTime":2126.6,"body":"important theoretical"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2126.6,"endTime":2132.33,"body":"intervention that I would love"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2126.6,"endTime":2132.33,"body":"folks who don't study Islam to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2132.36,"endTime":2132.93,"body":"think about."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2134.04,"endTime":2137.79,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2134.04,"endTime":2137.79,"body":"yes, yes. I mean, I have to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2137.79,"endTime":2140.58,"body":"admit, I had the- I had the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2137.79,"endTime":2140.58,"body":"pleasure of studying with Shahab"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2140.58,"endTime":2145.17,"body":"Ahmed before he passed. And he"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2140.58,"endTime":2145.17,"body":"really talked like this, so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2145.17,"endTime":2145.47,"body":"like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2145.47,"endTime":2145.56,"body":"Woof."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2145.59,"endTime":2147.75,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2145.59,"endTime":2147.75,"body":"think some people, I mean like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2147.75,"endTime":2147.84,"body":"Woof."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2147.84,"endTime":2150.81,"body":"That"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2147.84,"endTime":2150.81,"body":"class was really hard. But I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2150.81,"endTime":2154.65,"body":"think he wrote and spoke in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2150.81,"endTime":2154.65,"body":"sometimes dizzying prose, like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2154.65,"endTime":2157.86,"body":"literally dizzying prose. But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2154.65,"endTime":2157.86,"body":"the prose itself, actually, to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2157.86,"endTime":2160.59,"body":"me, stands to demonstrate the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2157.86,"endTime":2160.59,"body":"complexity of definition and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2160.59,"endTime":2163.26,"body":"definitional clarity. So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2160.59,"endTime":2163.26,"body":"throughout this whole book,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2163.26,"endTime":2166.83,"body":"\"What is Islam\" which, you know,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2163.26,"endTime":2166.83,"body":"for the nerd nerds among us,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2166.83,"endTime":2170.04,"body":"like- like, if you've done your"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2166.83,"endTime":2170.04,"body":"theory reading, I recommend this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2170.04,"endTime":2173.73,"body":"book, if you are my dad, Hey,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2170.04,"endTime":2173.73,"body":"Dad, this is not for you, like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2173.76,"endTime":2177.78,"body":"Lloyd, this one's not for you, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2173.76,"endTime":2177.78,"body":"promise. But in our book, he"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2177.78,"endTime":2181.71,"body":"parsed how current definitional"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2177.78,"endTime":2181.71,"body":"frameworks for Islam or Islamic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2181.8,"endTime":2186.81,"body":"fail for so many reasons,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2181.8,"endTime":2186.81,"body":"because they're too limiting,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2186.81,"endTime":2189.75,"body":"too expansive, too centered on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2186.81,"endTime":2189.75,"body":"one set of texts, too dismissive"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2189.75,"endTime":2193.32,"body":"of seemingly irregular"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2189.75,"endTime":2193.32,"body":"practices. And I honestly- I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2193.32,"endTime":2195.75,"body":"have mixed feelings about the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2193.32,"endTime":2195.75,"body":"book because it's sometimes"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2195.75,"endTime":2199.8,"body":"genuinely bewildering, to the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2195.75,"endTime":2199.8,"body":"point of, like, almost"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2199.8,"endTime":2204.39,"body":"incomprehensibility. But then"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2199.8,"endTime":2204.39,"body":"other times, I think, man, this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2204.39,"endTime":2208.95,"body":"dude, may he rest has somehow"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2204.39,"endTime":2208.95,"body":"adequately and performatively"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2208.95,"endTime":2212.97,"body":"shown the bewildering amount of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2208.95,"endTime":2212.97,"body":"history, interpretation, texts,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2212.97,"endTime":2216.84,"body":"contexts, in which Islam has"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2212.97,"endTime":2216.84,"body":"been defined, deployed and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2216.84,"endTime":2221.58,"body":"utilized by both Muslims and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2216.84,"endTime":2221.58,"body":"non-Muslims. So like, of course,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2221.58,"endTime":2225.09,"body":"I'm bewildered. No other term"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2221.58,"endTime":2225.09,"body":"that I can think of is forced to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2225.09,"endTime":2229.02,"body":"be one thing and only one thing,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2225.09,"endTime":2229.02,"body":"despite 1800 years of history on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2229.02,"endTime":2231.93,"body":"every continent, in every"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2229.02,"endTime":2231.93,"body":"language, to say nothing of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2231.93,"endTime":2235.2,"body":"imperialist studies of it. 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Well, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2246.42,"endTime":2253.02,"body":"that trying to define Islam is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2253.95,"endTime":2258.3,"body":"an ongoing theoretical project"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2253.95,"endTime":2258.3,"body":"within Islamic Studies and not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2258.3,"endTime":2261.0,"body":"just, like, \"oh, sorted it, we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2258.3,"endTime":2261.0,"body":"wrote the book, moving on,\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2261.03,"endTime":2264.27,"body":"like, this is this is a live"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2261.03,"endTime":2264.27,"body":"theoretical conversation as well"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2264.27,"endTime":2268.44,"body":"as an ethnographic,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2264.27,"endTime":2268.44,"body":"anthropological, textual one."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2268.83,"endTime":2269.88,"body":"That's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2268.83,"endTime":2269.88,"body":"exactly right."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2276.21,"endTime":2280.44,"body":"You've heard from us, now hear"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2276.21,"endTime":2280.44,"body":"about us! It's PRIMARY SOURCES."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2280.42,"endTime":2285.25,"body":"[singing] Primary"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2280.42,"endTime":2285.25,"body":"sources! Uh, wow, we did a lot"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2285.25,"endTime":2289.57,"body":"of talking today. So I will keep"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2285.25,"endTime":2289.57,"body":"this super short. I think if I-"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2289.57,"endTime":2293.98,"body":"if memory serves, I think we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2289.57,"endTime":2293.98,"body":"talked to Dr. Olomi about how I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2293.98,"endTime":2297.82,"body":"learned that if you have Muslim"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2293.98,"endTime":2297.82,"body":"friends, those Muslim friends"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2297.82,"endTime":2300.76,"body":"definitely have jinn stories,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2297.82,"endTime":2300.76,"body":"which I was not prepared for."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2300.76,"endTime":2301.57,"body":"But yeah-"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2301.99,"endTime":2304.15,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2301.99,"endTime":2304.15,"body":"no, like this is a real thing."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2304.51,"endTime":2308.02,"body":"Yeah. 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But what I got was"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2347.08,"endTime":2353.17,"body":"this comparative class about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2347.08,"endTime":2353.17,"body":"Muslim and Christian mysticism,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2353.53,"endTime":2358.3,"body":"and growing up as a Catholic"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2353.53,"endTime":2358.3,"body":"where you know, the the devil is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2358.3,"endTime":2362.92,"body":"a real material actor in the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2358.3,"endTime":2362.92,"body":"world. It was so interesting to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2362.92,"endTime":2369.28,"body":"hear stories about, like, Iblis,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2362.92,"endTime":2369.28,"body":"who, if- if memory serves (and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2369.28,"endTime":2377.38,"body":"correct me if I'm wrong here)-"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2369.28,"endTime":2377.38,"body":"serves a kind of devil, but not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2377.38,"endTime":2382.45,"body":"adversary position so much as,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2377.38,"endTime":2382.45,"body":"like, Iblis was closest to God,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2382.45,"endTime":2386.62,"body":"loved God best and when God"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2382.45,"endTime":2386.62,"body":"created monkeys with anxiety, ie"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2386.62,"endTime":2392.26,"body":"humans, Iblis is like, \"the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2386.62,"endTime":2392.26,"body":"hell, my dude? 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And it was so far afield"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2403.93,"endTime":2408.61,"body":"from anything that I knew about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2408.61,"endTime":2413.26,"body":"Islam, which was nothing, it was"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2408.61,"endTime":2413.26,"body":"pre-9/11. So most of us Catholic"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2413.26,"endTime":2419.23,"body":"girls knew nothing about Islam."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2413.26,"endTime":2419.23,"body":"But also just, I was someone who"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2419.23,"endTime":2424.12,"body":"did a lot of reading in the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2419.23,"endTime":2424.12,"body":"mythos of the demonic. Cuz I was"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2424.12,"endTime":2425.38,"body":"definitely that kid."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2425.74,"endTime":2427.03,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2425.74,"endTime":2427.03,"body":"you're still that kid."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2427.27,"endTime":2429.85,"body":"I know, I know."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2427.27,"endTime":2429.85,"body":"But my reading list got better."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2430.06,"endTime":2433.51,"body":"And like, this was never a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2430.06,"endTime":2433.51,"body":"perspective that I had seen or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2433.51,"endTime":2437.41,"body":"heard of before and I was really"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2433.51,"endTime":2437.41,"body":"excited about it. And it made me"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2437.41,"endTime":2440.62,"body":"want to learn more about Islam"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2437.41,"endTime":2440.62,"body":"and- and religion in general. So"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2440.95,"endTime":2442.75,"body":"it was just a cool experience,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2440.95,"endTime":2442.75,"body":"and I'm grateful for it."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2444.16,"endTime":2446.11,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2444.16,"endTime":2446.11,"body":"really like that. I really like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2446.11,"endTime":2446.44,"body":"that."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2446.74,"endTime":2447.13,"body":"Thanks."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2448.17,"endTime":2451.77,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2448.17,"endTime":2451.77,"body":"guess my primary source is that,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2451.83,"endTime":2455.58,"body":"um, so we would use different"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2451.83,"endTime":2455.58,"body":"words for these, but I want to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2455.58,"endTime":2460.23,"body":"hear everybody- So like, I love"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2455.58,"endTime":2460.23,"body":"nazars, I have them all over my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2460.23,"endTime":2465.84,"body":"home. I have one on my body at"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2460.23,"endTime":2465.84,"body":"this point. Um, and I love these"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2465.84,"endTime":2471.12,"body":"big eyes, and hamsas. So for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2465.84,"endTime":2471.12,"body":"many Jews, we say \"hamsa,\" and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2471.12,"endTime":2474.06,"body":"they can go up or down; the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2471.12,"endTime":2474.06,"body":"fingers- that's a five finger"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2474.06,"endTime":2477.18,"body":"with an eye in the middle,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2474.06,"endTime":2477.18,"body":"often. And for some Muslims,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2477.18,"endTime":2480.69,"body":"it's the hand of Fatima. 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So there's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2518.4,"endTime":2522.54,"body":"this cultural sharing, and then"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2518.4,"endTime":2522.54,"body":"there are these really specific,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2523.2,"endTime":2526.56,"body":"like, logics around why they"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2523.2,"endTime":2526.56,"body":"work and how they work. 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I love what that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2544.47,"endTime":2548.76,"body":"tells us about how we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2544.47,"endTime":2548.76,"body":"oversimplify relationships"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2548.76,"endTime":2554.19,"body":"between religious people, right?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2548.76,"endTime":2554.19,"body":"Like, that's not to say, like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2554.19,"endTime":2557.34,"body":"at one point, it was all Kumbaya"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2554.19,"endTime":2557.34,"body":"and now, it's not. I think that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2557.58,"endTime":2561.75,"body":"there's always been conflict and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2557.58,"endTime":2561.75,"body":"continuity, I think there has"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2561.78,"endTime":2565.86,"body":"always been places that have"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2561.78,"endTime":2565.86,"body":"shared symbology, cultural"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2565.86,"endTime":2570.6,"body":"norms, local traditions, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2565.86,"endTime":2570.6,"body":"contestations of those very"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2570.6,"endTime":2574.02,"body":"things. But I think for me, jinn"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2570.6,"endTime":2574.02,"body":"and nazar, and this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2574.05,"endTime":2576.51,"body":"understanding that there's this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2574.05,"endTime":2576.51,"body":"realm of the invisible, and it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2576.51,"endTime":2579.3,"body":"super believable, and it could"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2576.51,"endTime":2579.3,"body":"be good, but it could be bad,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2579.3,"endTime":2583.5,"body":"right? 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Things are c"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2715.03,"endTime":2717.13,"body":"aotic enough. 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Yes, Dr."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2737.23,"endTime":2742.72,"body":"Ali Olomi is a historian of the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2742.72,"endTime":2745.75,"body":"Middle East and Islam, who"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2742.72,"endTime":2745.75,"body":"researches about how Muslims"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2745.75,"endTime":2750.34,"body":"imagined the \"Islamic World\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2745.75,"endTime":2750.34,"body":"through the intersection of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2750.34,"endTime":2753.55,"body":"religion, science, and empire."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2750.34,"endTime":2753.55,"body":"Oh, no wonder you like him so"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2753.55,"endTime":2757.63,"body":"much. He also writes about the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2753.55,"endTime":2757.63,"body":"Muslim imagination of the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2757.63,"endTime":2760.54,"body":"monstrous through the jinn,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2757.63,"endTime":2760.54,"body":"which is why I like him so much."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2760.87,"endTime":2764.02,"body":"The early history of astronomy"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2760.87,"endTime":2764.02,"body":"and its role in empire building,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2764.23,"endTime":2768.25,"body":"and Islamic apocalypticism and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2764.23,"endTime":2768.25,"body":"cosmology. All of this awesome"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2768.25,"endTime":2771.07,"body":"he ties to nationalism, the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2768.25,"endTime":2771.07,"body":"histories of science and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2771.07,"endTime":2774.88,"body":"rationality, Islamism, gender"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2771.07,"endTime":2774.88,"body":"and sexuality, and the tension"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2774.88,"endTime":2777.28,"body":"between global religious"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2774.88,"endTime":2777.28,"body":"community and local identity."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2777.67,"endTime":2779.26,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2777.67,"endTime":2779.26,"body":"basically, he's the coolest, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2779.26,"endTime":2780.46,"body":"we wish we were as cool as him."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2780.73,"endTime":2783.91,"body":"We definitely"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2780.73,"endTime":2783.91,"body":"wish that, for sure. And now our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2783.91,"endTime":2788.14,"body":"nerds are ready to hear him talk"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2783.91,"endTime":2788.14,"body":"to us more about jinn. But,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2788.26,"endTime":2791.74,"body":"don't pack up your stuff yet,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2788.26,"endTime":2791.74,"body":"nerds. You've got HOMEWORK."},{"speaker":"Simpsons","startTime":2791.8,"endTime":2793.45,"body":"Homework? What"},{"speaker":"Simpsons","startTime":2791.8,"endTime":2793.45,"body":"homework?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2793.66,"endTime":2795.76,"body":"Remember,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2793.66,"endTime":2795.76,"body":"you can find everything we're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2795.76,"endTime":2798.55,"body":"assigning here and a whole lot"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2795.76,"endTime":2798.55,"body":"more in the show notes for this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2798.55,"endTime":2801.64,"body":"episode. Links, citations,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2798.55,"endTime":2801.64,"body":"non-paywalled options for stuff"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2801.64,"endTime":2805.24,"body":"you need a university login to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2801.64,"endTime":2805.24,"body":"get to, and occasionally silly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2805.24,"endTime":2808.21,"body":"pictures of us. All that and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2805.24,"endTime":2808.21,"body":"transcripts because"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2808.21,"endTime":2811.66,"body":"accessibility isn't just good"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2808.21,"endTime":2811.66,"body":"pedagogy, it's mandatory."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2811.96,"endTime":2812.26,"body":"Yup."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2812.98,"endTime":2814.87,"body":"I did"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2812.98,"endTime":2814.87,"body":"so much talking today. But you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2814.87,"endTime":2817.48,"body":"know I have more. This is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2814.87,"endTime":2817.48,"body":"actually literally in my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2817.48,"endTime":2822.19,"body":"wheelhouse. So what I'm going to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2817.48,"endTime":2822.19,"body":"do is- Megan, I know I probably"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2822.19,"endTime":2824.32,"body":"alarmed you with how many things"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2822.19,"endTime":2824.32,"body":"I've listed here."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2824.35,"endTime":2825.16,"body":"It's so many"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2824.35,"endTime":2825.16,"body":"things."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2825.0,"endTime":2826.74,"body":"I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2825.0,"endTime":2826.74,"body":"not going to say them all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2826.74,"endTime":2829.83,"body":"actually, I'm going to say a few"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2826.74,"endTime":2829.83,"body":"of them but nerds, I am putting"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2829.89,"endTime":2833.43,"body":"a shit ton of stuff in the show"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2829.89,"endTime":2833.43,"body":"notes. So I'm going to give you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2833.43,"endTime":2836.73,"body":"one thing from the category of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2833.43,"endTime":2836.73,"body":"basics on Islam."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2837.42,"endTime":2838.26,"body":"Category is-"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2838.29,"endTime":2840.45,"body":"Category"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2838.29,"endTime":2840.45,"body":"is basics on Islam, and I have"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2840.45,"endTime":2844.17,"body":"to say my go to here is still my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2840.45,"endTime":2844.17,"body":"mentor Carl Ernst's \"Following"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2844.47,"endTime":2848.97,"body":"Muhammad.\" It's easy to teach"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2844.47,"endTime":2848.97,"body":"with, it's easy to read, and it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2848.97,"endTime":2853.02,"body":"does a very good job of doing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2848.97,"endTime":2853.02,"body":"the basics about Islam in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2853.02,"endTime":2856.2,"body":"context of the study of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2853.02,"endTime":2856.2,"body":"religion. So that's my go to,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2856.2,"endTime":2859.5,"body":"but I will give you more in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2856.2,"endTime":2859.5,"body":"show notes so go check that out."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2859.83,"endTime":2862.92,"body":"Also Carl is a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2859.83,"endTime":2862.92,"body":"literal wizard so it's on theme"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2862.92,"endTime":2863.52,"body":"for today."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2863.0,"endTime":2865.55,"body":"It is."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2863.0,"endTime":2865.55,"body":"And now since we talked about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2865.55,"endTime":2867.92,"body":"jinn I actually want to like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2865.55,"endTime":2867.92,"body":"cite some sources. So I can't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2867.92,"endTime":2870.35,"body":"lie so much of what you'll find"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2867.92,"endTime":2870.35,"body":"out there, like, don't go"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2870.35,"endTime":2874.49,"body":"googling or even using your"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2870.35,"endTime":2874.49,"body":"library website to find, like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2874.49,"endTime":2878.48,"body":"jinn, because frankly so much of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2874.49,"endTime":2878.48,"body":"the research is medical"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2878.48,"endTime":2883.49,"body":"professionals and public health"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2878.48,"endTime":2883.49,"body":"scholars being semi-racist in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2883.49,"endTime":2886.49,"body":"the, like \"LOL these Muslims"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2883.49,"endTime":2886.49,"body":"think that jinn are real? What"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2886.49,"endTime":2890.24,"body":"are the- what are these women"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2886.49,"endTime":2890.24,"body":"talking about needing a like- an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2890.24,"endTime":2895.25,"body":"exorcism for? Euhh\", so, like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2890.24,"endTime":2895.25,"body":"look out for that. These are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2895.28,"endTime":2900.38,"body":"pre-approved sources. First,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2895.28,"endTime":2900.38,"body":"I've got Amira El-Zein's \"Islam,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2900.41,"endTime":2904.91,"body":"Arabs and the Intelligent World"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2900.41,"endTime":2904.91,"body":"of the Jinn,\" which is from 2009"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2905.0,"endTime":2909.14,"body":"really great overview kind of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2905.0,"endTime":2909.14,"body":"thing, and like how folks are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2909.14,"endTime":2913.82,"body":"using the jinn and what realm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2909.14,"endTime":2913.82,"body":"the jinn live in. Then Celia"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2913.82,"endTime":2917.06,"body":"Rothenburg has a- has a series"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2913.82,"endTime":2917.06,"body":"of things on jinn, but the thing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2917.06,"endTime":2919.91,"body":"I like the most is \"Islam on the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2917.06,"endTime":2919.91,"body":"Internet: the Jinn and the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2919.91,"endTime":2924.92,"body":"Objectification of Islam.\" And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2919.91,"endTime":2924.92,"body":"then, a book that's near and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2924.92,"endTime":2927.8,"body":"dear to my heart because it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2924.92,"endTime":2927.8,"body":"about the city of jinn, aka"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2927.8,"endTime":2934.4,"body":"Delhi, is \"Jinnealogy\" get it?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2927.8,"endTime":2934.4,"body":"Like genealogy. \"Jinnealogy:"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2934.43,"endTime":2937.04,"body":"Everyday Life and Islamic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2934.43,"endTime":2937.04,"body":"Theology in post-Partition"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2937.07,"endTime":2944.57,"body":"Delhi,\" by Anand Vivek Taneja."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2937.07,"endTime":2944.57,"body":"And there's a, um- Taneja has a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2944.57,"endTime":2948.11,"body":"piece that's, like, a companion"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2944.57,"endTime":2948.11,"body":"piece to that book that I'll"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2948.11,"endTime":2950.69,"body":"post that's digitally available,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2948.11,"endTime":2950.69,"body":"but the book is really good,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2950.69,"endTime":2955.04,"body":"too. And then I'll link up to a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2950.69,"endTime":2955.04,"body":"Vice explainer on what are the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2955.04,"endTime":2959.39,"body":"jinn. It's fine, it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2955.04,"endTime":2959.39,"body":"serviceable, and obviously go"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2959.39,"endTime":2963.59,"body":"follow Ali Olomi. I'll link to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2959.39,"endTime":2963.59,"body":"some of his epic threads but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2963.59,"endTime":2967.25,"body":"just go follow the scholar and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2963.59,"endTime":2967.25,"body":"tune into his Wednesday- what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2967.25,"endTime":2969.14,"body":"I've been calling magic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2967.25,"endTime":2969.14,"body":"Wednesdays."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2969.42,"endTime":2971.55,"body":"It is kind of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2969.42,"endTime":2971.55,"body":"magic. I love it. He just did"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2971.55,"endTime":2975.33,"body":"one, I think- what day is today?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2971.55,"endTime":2975.33,"body":"I- this week's thread is about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2975.33,"endTime":2977.94,"body":"Solomon and the Queen of Sheba"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2975.33,"endTime":2977.94,"body":"and I am super excited about it."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2977.97,"endTime":2978.33,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2978.36,"endTime":2979.23,"body":"So yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2979.29,"endTime":2980.04,"body":"Super"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2979.29,"endTime":2980.04,"body":"good."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2981.26,"endTime":2984.65,"body":"I do not have a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2981.26,"endTime":2984.65,"body":"ton of sources here. But, when I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2984.65,"endTime":2987.29,"body":"do teach Islam, it's always in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2984.65,"endTime":2987.29,"body":"the context of race and gender"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2987.32,"endTime":2989.99,"body":"in what's now the United States."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2987.32,"endTime":2989.99,"body":"So my foundational texts are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2989.99,"endTime":2993.38,"body":"things like, Abu-Lughod's \"Do"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2989.99,"endTime":2993.38,"body":"Muslim Women Need Saving?,\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2994.4,"endTime":2998.51,"body":"amina wadud's \"Gender Jihad,\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2994.4,"endTime":2998.51,"body":"Mahmood's \"Politics of Piety,\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2998.51,"endTime":3002.17,"body":"stuff like that. I also must,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2998.51,"endTime":3002.17,"body":"must, must plug the volume"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3002.17,"endTime":3004.81,"body":"edited by Tina Howe, \"The"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3002.17,"endTime":3004.81,"body":"Routledge Handbook of Islam and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3004.81,"endTime":3008.08,"body":"Gender,\" which came out last"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3004.81,"endTime":3008.08,"body":"year, and has so much good stuff"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3008.08,"endTime":3014.23,"body":"in it, including articles by"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3008.08,"endTime":3014.23,"body":"your co-hosts, me and Ilyse. But"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3014.23,"endTime":3016.9,"body":"if you're not in the mood for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3014.23,"endTime":3016.9,"body":"egghead stuff, your homework for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3016.9,"endTime":3019.0,"body":"me is to spend some time"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3016.9,"endTime":3019.0,"body":"checking out different"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3019.0,"endTime":3022.99,"body":"depictions of Muslims in popular"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3019.0,"endTime":3022.99,"body":"culture. Like, obviously, we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3022.99,"endTime":3025.03,"body":"would love it if you went back"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3022.99,"endTime":3025.03,"body":"and listened to the episode that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3025.03,"endTime":3028.99,"body":"we did about pop culture and the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3025.03,"endTime":3028.99,"body":"trash that is \"Not Without My"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3028.99,"endTime":3032.89,"body":"Daughter.\" But also, where do we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3028.99,"endTime":3032.89,"body":"see folks approving of Muslims"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3032.89,"endTime":3036.1,"body":"in American pop culture? Is it,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3032.89,"endTime":3036.1,"body":"for example, when they skip"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3036.1,"endTime":3039.64,"body":"prayers like in \"The Big Sick\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3036.1,"endTime":3039.64,"body":"or eat pork like in \"Master of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3039.64,"endTime":3042.55,"body":"None,\" or, I don't know, cover"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3039.64,"endTime":3042.55,"body":"their heads with the literal"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3042.55,"endTime":3045.31,"body":"American flag like in Shepard"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3042.55,"endTime":3045.31,"body":"Fairey's, \"We the People Are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3045.31,"endTime":3053.32,"body":"Greater than Fear\" protest"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3045.31,"endTime":3053.32,"body":"image? Why are those the Muslims"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3053.32,"endTime":3057.91,"body":"on screen that we are encouraged"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3053.32,"endTime":3057.91,"body":"to be sympathetic to, I wonder?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3058.18,"endTime":3061.9,"body":"The answer is imperialism. It is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3058.18,"endTime":3061.9,"body":"always imperialism. I also want"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3061.9,"endTime":3065.11,"body":"us to look for where we get to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3061.9,"endTime":3065.11,"body":"see Muslims be the complicated,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3065.11,"endTime":3068.47,"body":"messy people that they are. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3065.11,"endTime":3068.47,"body":"personally really liked the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3068.47,"endTime":3071.26,"body":"depiction of Malcolm X in \"One"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3068.47,"endTime":3071.26,"body":"Night in Miami,\" for example."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3072.34,"endTime":3077.5,"body":"But if you- but see if you can"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3072.34,"endTime":3077.5,"body":"find some other examples, too. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3077.53,"endTime":3080.05,"body":"want to believe that they're out"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3077.53,"endTime":3080.05,"body":"there. I haven't seen \"Ramy\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3080.05,"endTime":3083.68,"body":"yet, but maybe that's one to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3080.05,"endTime":3083.68,"body":"check out. 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Katherine also just got"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3110.21,"endTime":3112.7,"body":"into grad school, right? So we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3110.21,"endTime":3112.7,"body":"are super proud of her yay,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3112.7,"endTime":3116.81,"body":"Katherine! And if you need more"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3112.7,"endTime":3116.81,"body":"religion nerderie you know where"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3116.81,"endTime":3120.74,"body":"to find us! It is Twitter. 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It's on the syllabus."},{"speaker":"Hasan Minhaj","startTime":3163.6,"endTime":3166.45,"body":"Now I know some of"},{"speaker":"Hasan Minhaj","startTime":3163.6,"endTime":3166.45,"body":"you are wondering, Hasan, How do"},{"speaker":"Hasan Minhaj","startTime":3166.45,"endTime":3169.27,"body":"you know so much about Fox News?"},{"speaker":"Hasan Minhaj","startTime":3166.45,"endTime":3169.27,"body":"Well, as a Muslim, I like to"},{"speaker":"Hasan Minhaj","startTime":3169.27,"endTime":3171.73,"body":"watch Fox News for the same"},{"speaker":"Hasan Minhaj","startTime":3169.27,"endTime":3171.73,"body":"reason I like to play Call of"},{"speaker":"Hasan Minhaj","startTime":3171.73,"endTime":3175.39,"body":"Duty. Sometimes, I like to turn"},{"speaker":"Hasan Minhaj","startTime":3171.73,"endTime":3175.39,"body":"my brain off and watch strangers"},{"speaker":"Hasan Minhaj","startTime":3175.39,"endTime":3176.89,"body":"insult my family and heritage."}]}