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One, can you start a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1210.17,"endTime":1212.48,"body":"podcast where you just read to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1210.17,"endTime":1212.48,"body":"me before I go to bed because"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1212.48,"endTime":1213.8,"body":"your voice is so soothing."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1213.98,"endTime":1215.51,"body":"Subscribe"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1213.98,"endTime":1215.51,"body":"to Head on History, there's a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1215.51,"endTime":1217.16,"body":"Patreon, we can- we're gonna"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1215.51,"endTime":1217.16,"body":"link to it."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1217.34,"endTime":1217.79,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Dr. Ali Olomi","startTime":1218.15,"endTime":1219.74,"body":"I put people to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ali Olomi","startTime":1218.15,"endTime":1219.74,"body":"sleep regularly."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1220.53,"endTime":1223.74,"body":"It is amazing."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1220.53,"endTime":1223.74,"body":"But two, I wonder, just as a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1223.74,"endTime":1225.87,"body":"follow up question that I swear"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1223.74,"endTime":1225.87,"body":"to God, I will let Ilyse talk."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1227.04,"endTime":1230.34,"body":"You're mentioning beliefs and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1227.04,"endTime":1230.34,"body":"taking those beliefs seriously."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1230.34,"endTime":1232.8,"body":"And I think that's so important."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1230.34,"endTime":1232.8,"body":"But one of the other things that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1232.8,"endTime":1238.17,"body":"I see in my Witches class is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1232.8,"endTime":1238.17,"body":"conversations around Brujeria or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1238.17,"endTime":1238.83,"body":"Lukumi."},{"speaker":"Dr. Ali Olomi","startTime":1238.83,"endTime":1239.28,"body":"Oh yeah, very"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ali Olomi","startTime":1238.83,"endTime":1239.28,"body":"cool."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1239.28,"endTime":1241.56,"body":"Where you have-"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1239.28,"endTime":1241.56,"body":"Yeah, it's- it's- it's really"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1241.56,"endTime":1241.77,"body":"fun."},{"speaker":"Dr. Ali Olomi","startTime":1241.8,"endTime":1243.03,"body":"I wanna take this"},{"speaker":"Dr. Ali Olomi","startTime":1241.8,"endTime":1243.03,"body":"class now!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1243.39,"endTime":1245.16,"body":"Hey, the syllabus"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1243.39,"endTime":1245.16,"body":"is online, there's a medium"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1245.16,"endTime":1248.31,"body":"page, I'm happy to share. 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