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With the religions"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":424.68,"endTime":428.1,"body":"we've covered so far, we saw a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":428.1,"endTime":431.76,"body":"denial of their tenants because"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":428.1,"endTime":431.76,"body":"of the super hardcore racisms,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":431.76,"endTime":435.12,"body":"like \"they're heathens,\" or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":431.76,"endTime":435.12,"body":"\"they're idolaters,\" or \"they're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":435.12,"endTime":438.21,"body":"polytheists,\" or flatly,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":435.12,"endTime":438.21,"body":"\"they're just not Christians,\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":438.21,"endTime":441.12,"body":"and even if they were, they're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":438.21,"endTime":441.12,"body":"the wrong race."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":442.02,"endTime":442.08,"body":"Mhm!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":442.5,"endTime":444.57,"body":"With"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":442.5,"endTime":444.57,"body":"Sikhi, we see the denial of a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":444.57,"endTime":448.38,"body":"religion that seems like it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":444.57,"endTime":448.38,"body":"SHOULD fit beautifully into this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":448.38,"endTime":452.88,"body":"model. 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Megan, that MUST sound"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":463.08,"endTime":464.67,"body":"like something else to you,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":463.08,"endTime":464.67,"body":"right?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":464.99,"endTime":469.01,"body":"I mean, place you"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":464.99,"endTime":469.01,"body":"go to do rituals and prayers,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":469.01,"endTime":475.1,"body":"plus central, sacred text, plus"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":469.01,"endTime":475.1,"body":"historical founder (who's also a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":475.1,"endTime":480.26,"body":"dude, by the way), plus"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":475.1,"endTime":480.26,"body":"monotheism, equals..."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":480.29,"endTime":483.38,"body":"Christianity? Question mark?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":480.29,"endTime":483.38,"body":"Judaism, also, question mark?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":484.1,"endTime":490.7,"body":"Islam, also, question mark? So,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":484.1,"endTime":490.7,"body":"uhhhhh, all of the like, so"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":490.7,"endTime":494.48,"body":"called Abrahamic religions? And"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":490.7,"endTime":494.48,"body":"also a little bit like Buddhism,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":494.48,"endTime":498.17,"body":"minus the monotheism part... So"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":494.48,"endTime":498.17,"body":"like, yeah! This-this fits the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":498.17,"endTime":498.56,"body":"bill!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":498.54,"endTime":500.73,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":498.54,"endTime":500.73,"body":"precisely! 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Cool."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":560.28,"endTime":563.94,"body":"Great. Well, now I'm mad. 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MoFu, can you--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":602.67,"endTime":606.45,"body":"can you tell me some of the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":606.45,"endTime":610.44,"body":"basics that we want our nerds to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":606.45,"endTime":610.44,"body":"know about Sikhi, apparently the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":610.44,"endTime":613.62,"body":"world's fifth largest religion,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":610.44,"endTime":613.62,"body":"except that nobody knows about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":613.62,"endTime":613.71,"body":"it?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":614.25,"endTime":615.57,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":614.25,"endTime":615.57,"body":"mean, aside, aside from"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":615.81,"endTime":616.86,"body":"everything?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":616.89,"endTime":618.72,"body":"Yes, please tell"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":616.89,"endTime":618.72,"body":"me everything, right now."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":618.72,"endTime":618.75,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":620.79,"endTime":622.8,"body":"No. Keep it in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":620.79,"endTime":622.8,"body":"your intellectual pants, kid."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":622.559,"endTime":624.329,"body":"Alright,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":622.559,"endTime":624.329,"body":"alright. 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Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":651.2,"endTime":651.38,"body":"helping."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":651.38,"endTime":654.59,"body":"It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":651.38,"endTime":654.59,"body":"okay! It's okay. THE Punjab is a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":654.59,"endTime":658.31,"body":"weird British relic-- and I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":654.59,"endTime":658.31,"body":"apologize to our British and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":658.31,"endTime":663.41,"body":"English listeners. Punjab is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":658.31,"endTime":663.41,"body":"also not that hideously racist"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":663.41,"endTime":667.82,"body":"turbaned servant in the musical"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":663.41,"endTime":667.82,"body":"Annie, which I'm directing at"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":667.82,"endTime":670.04,"body":"you, you ginger theatrical nerd."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":667.82,"endTime":670.04,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":670.34,"endTime":672.95,"body":"Okay. 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But, I'm glad that he is!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1508.75,"endTime":1511.42,"body":"And let's let him introduce"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1508.75,"endTime":1511.42,"body":"himself and give us some"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1511.42,"endTime":1512.47,"body":"expertise on Sikhi!"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1512.0,"endTime":1516.47,"body":"Hi, my"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1512.0,"endTime":1516.47,"body":"name is Simran Jeet Singh, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1516.47,"endTime":1520.94,"body":"I'm an expert on religion, race,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1516.47,"endTime":1520.94,"body":"identity, and justice. 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I care that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1540.23,"endTime":1545.3,"body":"people, students, scholars,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1545.3,"endTime":1548.57,"body":"listeners to this podcast-- I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1545.3,"endTime":1548.57,"body":"care that they know about what I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1548.57,"endTime":1553.13,"body":"study because, as I discuss in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1548.57,"endTime":1553.13,"body":"my forthcoming book, I think"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1553.13,"endTime":1558.05,"body":"Sikhi has some powerful insights"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1553.13,"endTime":1558.05,"body":"to help us all deal with some of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1558.05,"endTime":1562.25,"body":"the most fundamental challenges"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1558.05,"endTime":1562.25,"body":"that we're facing today. I often"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1562.25,"endTime":1565.97,"body":"wish that people knew just one"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1562.25,"endTime":1565.97,"body":"thing about Sikhi, anything at"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1565.97,"endTime":1568.88,"body":"all, really. This morning,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1565.97,"endTime":1568.88,"body":"someone biked past me and my"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1568.88,"endTime":1572.3,"body":"girls in New York City, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1568.88,"endTime":1572.3,"body":"said, \"Sat Sri Akaal,\" a common"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1572.3,"endTime":1575.9,"body":"Sikh reading, and it made my"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1572.3,"endTime":1575.9,"body":"day! Not because it was"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1576.44,"endTime":1579.2,"body":"impressive that someone"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1576.44,"endTime":1579.2,"body":"demonstrated some deep knowledge"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1579.2,"endTime":1584.06,"body":"about my tradition, but because"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1579.2,"endTime":1584.06,"body":"he actually knew one thing,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1584.33,"endTime":1588.02,"body":"which most people don't. There's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1584.33,"endTime":1588.02,"body":"so many things that I wish"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1588.02,"endTime":1591.59,"body":"people knew about Sikhi. If I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1588.02,"endTime":1591.59,"body":"had to pick one, I would focus"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1591.62,"endTime":1597.05,"body":"on its primary tenant, Ik Onkar,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1591.62,"endTime":1597.05,"body":"which refers to the fundamental"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1597.05,"endTime":1600.62,"body":"oneness of the world. 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And to understand"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1619.52,"endTime":1623.18,"body":"this core teaching, I think, is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1619.52,"endTime":1623.18,"body":"to understand what Sikhs are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1623.18,"endTime":1628.34,"body":"about, because it informs our"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1623.18,"endTime":1628.34,"body":"theological commitment to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1628.37,"endTime":1631.91,"body":"overcoming the dualities of our"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1628.37,"endTime":1631.91,"body":"lives and the disease of ego, so"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1631.91,"endTime":1635.99,"body":"it's spiritual; it informs our"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1631.91,"endTime":1635.99,"body":"ethics, our commitment to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1635.99,"endTime":1640.64,"body":"nondiscrimination and justice,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1635.99,"endTime":1640.64,"body":"so it's ethical; the Ik Onkar"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1640.64,"endTime":1644.0,"body":"even informs our daily living,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1640.64,"endTime":1644.0,"body":"how we aim to live with"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1644.6,"endTime":1648.65,"body":"integrity, and with love, and in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1644.6,"endTime":1648.65,"body":"service to the people all around"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1648.65,"endTime":1651.41,"body":"us. Like every other religious"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1648.65,"endTime":1651.41,"body":"tradition that I've encountered"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1651.41,"endTime":1654.8,"body":"to date, Sikhi has incredible"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1651.41,"endTime":1654.8,"body":"diversity in how it's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1654.8,"endTime":1658.7,"body":"interpreted and practiced by"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1654.8,"endTime":1658.7,"body":"those who follow it. 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Others on the basis"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1831.98,"endTime":1836.99,"body":"of lunar cycles, for example,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1837.02,"endTime":1839.93,"body":"right? There all types of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1837.02,"endTime":1839.93,"body":"perspectives on how we think"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1839.93,"endTime":1844.76,"body":"about the nature of time, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1839.93,"endTime":1844.76,"body":"what it means to us. Sikhi"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1844.76,"endTime":1847.28,"body":"hasn't really BEEN classified"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1844.76,"endTime":1847.28,"body":"within the world religions"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1847.28,"endTime":1850.34,"body":"model, right? 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Including in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1924.65,"endTime":1928.91,"body":"the seminal book by Huston"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1924.65,"endTime":1928.91,"body":"Smith, \"The World's Religions,\""},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1928.91,"endTime":1931.67,"body":"which was the first that I read"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1928.91,"endTime":1931.67,"body":"in a religion class in college"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1931.7,"endTime":1934.85,"body":"and was like, \"Oh, wait... wait,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1931.7,"endTime":1934.85,"body":"where's the chapter on Sikhism?\""},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":1934.85,"endTime":1937.85,"body":"There isn't one. 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But I didn't"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2014.05,"endTime":2017.83,"body":"actually know how to do that."},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2019.45,"endTime":2021.55,"body":"And in talking to him, in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2019.45,"endTime":2021.55,"body":"talking to my advisor, I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2021.55,"endTime":2024.34,"body":"realized through our"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2021.55,"endTime":2024.34,"body":"conversation something that I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2024.34,"endTime":2028.36,"body":"already knew, intellectually,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2024.34,"endTime":2028.36,"body":"but hadn't really registered"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2028.36,"endTime":2031.51,"body":"fully, I realized that no"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2028.36,"endTime":2031.51,"body":"Western scholar has written a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2031.51,"endTime":2036.16,"body":"major academic work on Guru"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2031.51,"endTime":2036.16,"body":"Nanak, on the founder of Sikhi,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2036.61,"endTime":2042.64,"body":"in more than 50 years. 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Alright, I'm gonna, I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2523.6,"endTime":2526.75,"body":"gonna take the lead here--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2526.75,"endTime":2528.58,"body":"Just get in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2526.75,"endTime":2528.58,"body":"there. You're so excited. You're"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2528.58,"endTime":2532.18,"body":"so happy to be outside the US"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2528.58,"endTime":2532.18,"body":"and I'm so happy for you!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2531.85,"endTime":2533.71,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2531.85,"endTime":2533.71,"body":"mean, listen. As a South"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2533.71,"endTime":2537.31,"body":"Asianist, who also does like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2533.71,"endTime":2537.31,"body":"global intellectual history, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2537.31,"endTime":2540.01,"body":"amount of crap I have to know"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2537.31,"endTime":2540.01,"body":"while you Americans get to know"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2538.87,"endTime":2546.61,"body":"No, no. That's too early for me."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2538.87,"endTime":2546.61,"body":"You know it that I don't like to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2540.01,"endTime":2544.15,"body":"like, Atlanta, Georgia, 1930"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2540.01,"endTime":2544.15,"body":"nd 19"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2546.61,"endTime":2547.15,"body":"work before the 1980s. *laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2547.03,"endTime":2553.06,"body":"*blows raspberry* I try not to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2547.03,"endTime":2553.06,"body":"do murders, but... fine! Just"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2553.06,"endTime":2556.81,"body":"leave the rest of the world to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2553.06,"endTime":2556.81,"body":"us. Anyway, first and foremost,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2556.81,"endTime":2559.96,"body":"read EVERYTHING, nerds, that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2556.81,"endTime":2559.96,"body":"Simran Jeet Singh has ever"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2559.96,"endTime":2562.99,"body":"written. And we cited an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2559.96,"endTime":2562.99,"body":"inordinate amount of his work on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2562.99,"endTime":2567.49,"body":"Episode 303, where he was also a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2562.99,"endTime":2567.49,"body":"star-- and I'll copy and paste"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2567.49,"endTime":2571.03,"body":"some of those recs into this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2567.49,"endTime":2571.03,"body":"week's show notes-- but I'm not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2571.03,"endTime":2572.59,"body":"going to list them all. I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2571.03,"endTime":2572.59,"body":"going to give you all new"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2572.59,"endTime":2576.19,"body":"sources. So. This forthcoming"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2572.59,"endTime":2576.19,"body":"book that he's got going is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2576.19,"endTime":2579.79,"body":"going to be incredible. Straight"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2576.19,"endTime":2579.79,"body":"up, keep your eyes peeled! \"The"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2579.79,"endTime":2582.97,"body":"The Power of Sikh"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2579.79,"endTime":2582.97,"body":"Wisdom to Transform Your Life\""},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2583.15,"endTime":2587.47,"body":"is coming out in just a few"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2583.15,"endTime":2587.47,"body":"months in 2022. A fan favorite"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2587.47,"endTime":2590.8,"body":"in my home is \"Fauja Singh Keeps"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2587.47,"endTime":2590.8,"body":"Going: The True Story of the"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2590.83,"endTime":2594.46,"body":"Oldest Person to Ever Run a"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2590.83,"endTime":2594.46,"body":"Marathon,\" which is a book for"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2594.46,"endTime":2599.65,"body":"little kids, uh, and it's"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2594.46,"endTime":2599.65,"body":"fabulous. Arvind Pal Singh"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2599.68,"endTime":2602.74,"body":"Mandair has a really good"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2599.68,"endTime":2602.74,"body":"primer, called \"Sikhism: a Guide"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2602.74,"endTime":2607.21,"body":"for the Perplexed,\" which is"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2602.74,"endTime":2607.21,"body":"pretty recent and introductory."},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2608.32,"endTime":2612.1,"body":"Harjot Oberoi, that has this"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2608.32,"endTime":2612.1,"body":"fabulous book, \"The"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2612.13,"endTime":2614.71,"body":"Contstruction of Religios"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2612.13,"endTime":2614.71,"body":"Boundaries: Culture, Identity,"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2614.71,"endTime":2616.99,"body":"and Diversity in the Sikh"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2614.71,"endTime":2616.99,"body":"Tradition.\" So if you're"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2616.99,"endTime":2619.87,"body":"interested in things like"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2616.99,"endTime":2619.87,"body":"orthodoxy, how religions become"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2619.87,"endTime":2623.98,"body":"religion, and what folks do to"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2619.87,"endTime":2623.98,"body":"craft their own religious"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2623.98,"endTime":2625.66,"body":"tradition, that's a book to pick"},{"speaker":"Light We Give","startTime":2623.98,"endTime":2625.66,"body":"up."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2625.9,"endTime":2626.68,"body":"That sounds good!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2625.9,"endTime":2627.73,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2625.9,"endTime":2627.73,"body":"would be remiss not to mention"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2626.78,"endTime":2669.05,"body":"I was gonna say, I like that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2626.78,"endTime":2669.05,"body":"one. I have THAT one. *snickers*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2627.73,"endTime":2630.94,"body":"Anna Bigelow's book, \"Sharing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2627.73,"endTime":2630.94,"body":"the Sacred: Practicing Pluralism"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2630.94,"endTime":2635.05,"body":"in Muslim North India.\" It's not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2630.94,"endTime":2635.05,"body":"just about Muslim north India,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2635.05,"endTime":2638.08,"body":"it's a good one about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2635.05,"endTime":2638.08,"body":"overlapping traditions and peace"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2638.08,"endTime":2643.6,"body":"movements at a very particular"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2638.08,"endTime":2643.6,"body":"site in north India. I also love"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2644.2,"endTime":2648.85,"body":"Nirinjan Khalsa's work, but-- sh"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2644.2,"endTime":2648.85,"body":"'s got a lot-- but I'll"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2648.85,"endTime":2653.5,"body":"recommend \"Engendering the femal"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2648.85,"endTime":2653.5,"body":"voice and Sikh devotional musi"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2653.53,"endTime":2657.58,"body":"Locating equality in pedagog"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2653.53,"endTime":2657.58,"body":"and praxis.\" She's an"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2657.58,"endTime":2662.17,"body":"thnomusicologist. Then there's"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2657.58,"endTime":2662.17,"body":"Deepa Iyers \"We Too Sing America"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2662.17,"endTime":2665.23,"body":"South Asian, Arab, Muslim,"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2662.17,"endTime":2665.23,"body":"nd Sikh Immigrants Shape"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2665.23,"endTime":2668.47,"body":"ur Multiracial Future.\" So tha"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2665.23,"endTime":2668.47,"body":"is ACTUALLY about the US and"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2668.47,"endTime":2669.13,"body":"t's not just about Sik"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2674.79,"endTime":2679.08,"body":"It's accessible, and it's, yeah."},{"speaker":"","startTime":2674.79,"endTime":2679.08,"body":"It's there. And I'll link to"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2679.08,"endTime":2682.62,"body":"some podcast interviews on that."},{"speaker":"","startTime":2679.08,"endTime":2682.62,"body":"And I'll be honest, I can't not"},{"speaker":"","startTime":2682.62,"endTime":2683.61,"body":"cite a history--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2683.76,"endTime":2684.27,"body":"God forbid."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2684.27,"endTime":2687.45,"body":"--Kim,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2684.27,"endTime":2687.45,"body":"Kim Wagner has a book on"},{"speaker":"Amritsar, called \"Amritsar 1919","startTime":2687.48,"endTime":2691.62,"body":"An Empire of Fear and the Making"},{"speaker":"Amritsar, called \"Amritsar 1919","startTime":2691.62,"endTime":2697.74,"body":"of a Massacre.\" It traces the"},{"speaker":"Amritsar, called \"Amritsar 1919","startTime":2691.62,"endTime":2697.74,"body":"truly horrific British massacre"},{"speaker":"Amritsar, called \"Amritsar 1919","startTime":2697.74,"endTime":2702.09,"body":"of Sikhs at their holiest site"},{"speaker":"Amritsar, called \"Amritsar 1919","startTime":2697.74,"endTime":2702.09,"body":"in 1919, as the title suggests,"},{"speaker":"Amritsar, called \"Amritsar 1919","startTime":2702.21,"endTime":2705.72,"body":"and I'll link to a couple of"},{"speaker":"Amritsar, called \"Amritsar 1919","startTime":2702.21,"endTime":2705.72,"body":"podcasts for that, too. Alright,"},{"speaker":"Amritsar, called \"Amritsar 1919","startTime":2705.72,"endTime":2707.82,"body":"I'll stop there. Otherwise, I'll"},{"speaker":"Amritsar, called \"Amritsar 1919","startTime":2705.72,"endTime":2707.82,"body":"just keep going forEVER."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2707.48,"endTime":2711.92,"body":"*giggles* I would"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2707.48,"endTime":2711.92,"body":"like that! For once, I'm not the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2711.92,"endTime":2714.5,"body":"one giving the most homework. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2711.92,"endTime":2714.5,"body":"love that so much. I get to give"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2714.5,"endTime":2720.32,"body":"fun homework! So, as I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2714.5,"endTime":2720.32,"body":"mentioned, I have this-- sorry--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2720.95,"endTime":2728.15,"body":"BBC documentary about the events"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2720.95,"endTime":2728.15,"body":"in 1984 in Punjab, in and around"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2728.18,"endTime":2732.41,"body":"Sikh armed uprising in attempts"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2728.18,"endTime":2732.41,"body":"to claim a homeland. It's really"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2732.41,"endTime":2737.45,"body":"important and... it is a space"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2732.41,"endTime":2737.45,"body":"that I truly would not probably"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2737.45,"endTime":2739.25,"body":"know about if I hadn't had been"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2737.45,"endTime":2739.25,"body":"forced to teach a world"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2739.25,"endTime":2741.8,"body":"religions class. So, it's a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2739.25,"endTime":2741.8,"body":"really well done documentary by"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2741.8,"endTime":2745.4,"body":"a Sikh BBC presenter herself."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2741.8,"endTime":2745.4,"body":"Highly recommended, will link"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2745.4,"endTime":2745.7,"body":"to."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2745.88,"endTime":2747.29,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2745.88,"endTime":2747.29,"body":"I teach that too. It really does"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2747.29,"endTime":2751.01,"body":"teach very, very well, for all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2747.29,"endTime":2751.01,"body":"of our nerd friends."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2751.0,"endTime":2755.29,"body":"It really does. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2751.0,"endTime":2755.29,"body":"like it a lot. I want to echo"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2755.38,"endTime":2758.71,"body":"your suggestion that they just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2755.38,"endTime":2758.71,"body":"read, truly, everything that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2758.71,"endTime":2761.08,"body":"Simran writes, but he also"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2758.71,"endTime":2761.08,"body":"writes a whole really lot, so if"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2761.08,"endTime":2763.9,"body":"you want a good place to start,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2761.08,"endTime":2763.9,"body":"just go ahead and check out what"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2763.9,"endTime":2766.39,"body":"he's been reading for Religion"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2763.9,"endTime":2766.39,"body":"News Service in his article of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2766.39,"endTime":2770.08,"body":"faith-- articles of faith"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2766.39,"endTime":2770.08,"body":"column. I also want to direct"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2770.08,"endTime":2772.96,"body":"your attention to the piece that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2770.08,"endTime":2772.96,"body":"he wrote in February about the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2772.96,"endTime":2777.61,"body":"farmers protests in India and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2772.96,"endTime":2777.61,"body":"the way that they grew out of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2777.82,"endTime":2782.35,"body":"Sikh experiences. So that's in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2777.82,"endTime":2782.35,"body":"time, and really important, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2782.35,"endTime":2785.71,"body":"we should pay attention to, I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2782.35,"endTime":2785.71,"body":"don't know, the largest protest"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2785.71,"endTime":2788.26,"body":"happening in human history"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2785.71,"endTime":2788.26,"body":"possibly. I feel like... it's a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2788.26,"endTime":2790.99,"body":"thing that we should pay"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2788.26,"endTime":2790.99,"body":"attention to. And then all the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2790.99,"endTime":2795.01,"body":"other stuff is, is a little bit"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2790.99,"endTime":2795.01,"body":"fluffy! So you--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2795.04,"endTime":2796.72,"body":"No!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2795.04,"endTime":2796.72,"body":"It's not fluffy, it's pop"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2796.72,"endTime":2798.73,"body":"culture. Which is good. It's a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2796.72,"endTime":2798.73,"body":"good balance."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2798.0,"endTime":2801.33,"body":"That's true. We"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2798.0,"endTime":2801.33,"body":"have made an argument, too, for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2801.33,"endTime":2804.78,"body":"the scholarly import and weight"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2801.33,"endTime":2804.78,"body":"of popular culture. So I'll just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2804.78,"endTime":2807.84,"body":"stand in that and say with my"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2804.78,"endTime":2807.84,"body":"whole chest, I want you to watch"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2807.84,"endTime":2810.87,"body":"Comedy Central, and the segment"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2807.84,"endTime":2810.87,"body":"on confused Islamophobes, that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2810.87,"endTime":2814.08,"body":"we already suggested that you"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2810.87,"endTime":2814.08,"body":"look out for Dr. Simran Jeet"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2814.08,"endTime":2818.19,"body":"Singh and also a number of other"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2814.08,"endTime":2818.19,"body":"Sikh folks. I made an offhanded"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2818.19,"endTime":2821.1,"body":"Bend It Like Beckham piece, but"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2818.19,"endTime":2821.1,"body":"I think Bend It Like Beckham"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2821.1,"endTime":2825.99,"body":"does a really good job of making"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2821.1,"endTime":2825.99,"body":"Sikh characters complex,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2825.99,"endTime":2831.36,"body":"interesting, not monolithic, not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2825.99,"endTime":2831.36,"body":"cardboard cutout characters."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2831.45,"endTime":2836.31,"body":"And, uh, I love that! Also,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2831.45,"endTime":2836.31,"body":"there's football involved! Also,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2836.31,"endTime":2840.27,"body":"another joke about the Irish"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2836.31,"endTime":2840.27,"body":"(such trash, but it's in there)."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2840.72,"endTime":2845.31,"body":"So that's a fun one. And then my"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2840.72,"endTime":2845.31,"body":"other recent/possible favorite?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2845.61,"endTime":2850.8,"body":"is a novel called \"Jane Steele,\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2845.61,"endTime":2850.8,"body":"which was advertised as a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2851.28,"endTime":2858.27,"body":"misandrist, murder mystery,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2851.28,"endTime":2858.27,"body":"queer retelling of Jane Eyre,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2858.6,"endTime":2861.36,"body":"which you would not expect to be"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2858.6,"endTime":2861.36,"body":"at ALL about Sikhi, but"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2861.36,"endTime":2864.81,"body":"surprise! It actually is. 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