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Can we,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":749.03,"endTime":752.75,"body":"um... quotas for the workforce?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":752.75,"endTime":754.91,"body":"Like, you hire X number of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":752.75,"endTime":754.91,"body":"Hindus?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":756.02,"endTime":756.68,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":757.04,"endTime":757.52,"body":"Really?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":758.99,"endTime":759.47,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":759.96,"endTime":761.79,"body":"Okay. O-Okay."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":759.96,"endTime":761.79,"body":"*blows raspberry*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":763.4,"endTime":764.72,"body":"We're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":763.4,"endTime":764.72,"body":"just gonna leave that there. I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":764.72,"endTime":766.01,"body":"will-- I can assign readings."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":766.58,"endTime":770.21,"body":"Okay. Man, dudes"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":766.58,"endTime":770.21,"body":"with pens. Jesus!! Anyway."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":771.02,"endTime":772.64,"body":"But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":771.02,"endTime":772.64,"body":"Hindu was also word that today,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":772.64,"endTime":776.0,"body":"like, like we've said before, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":772.64,"endTime":776.0,"body":"think, collapses some things"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":776.0,"endTime":780.56,"body":"that we might see as \"secular\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":776.0,"endTime":780.56,"body":"and \"religious\" into one big"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":780.83,"endTime":784.19,"body":"category. AND, to make matters"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":780.83,"endTime":784.19,"body":"more complicated, loads of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":784.19,"endTime":787.67,"body":"scholars have shown that \"Hindu\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":784.19,"endTime":787.67,"body":"and \"Hindu tradition\" includes"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":787.67,"endTime":791.72,"body":"things from other religions,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":787.67,"endTime":791.72,"body":"which sometimes confuses the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":791.72,"endTime":794.18,"body":"meager minds of Americans."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":794.21,"endTime":796.4,"body":"Yeah, my tiny"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":794.21,"endTime":796.4,"body":"little mind is blown already,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":796.4,"endTime":798.92,"body":"and I feel like we're just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":796.4,"endTime":798.92,"body":"getting started. Anyway. Okay,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":798.95,"endTime":799.73,"body":"alright, alright."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":799.0,"endTime":799.3,"body":"Mhm."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":799.409,"endTime":801.299,"body":"Sorry,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":799.409,"endTime":801.299,"body":"there's more. Cause I'm saying a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":800.65,"endTime":815.32,"body":"\"Hindu,\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":800.65,"endTime":815.32,"body":"\"Hindu traditions,\" even"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":801.299,"endTime":804.659,"body":"lot of stuff about how Hindu is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":801.299,"endTime":804.659,"body":"a newish term, how it's a label"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":804.659,"endTime":807.869,"body":"that works and gets popular in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":804.659,"endTime":807.869,"body":"different eras, but notice,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":807.929,"endTime":811.799,"body":"Megan, I'm not saying that we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":807.929,"endTime":811.799,"body":"should throw out that word."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":815.35,"endTime":822.58,"body":"\"Hinduism,\" maybe newer terms--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":815.35,"endTime":822.58,"body":"even concocted terms!-- they're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":822.58,"endTime":824.74,"body":"certainly newer than the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":822.58,"endTime":824.74,"body":"religions in the worldview and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":824.74,"endTime":826.63,"body":"systems that those words"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":824.74,"endTime":826.63,"body":"describe--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":826.66,"endTime":826.72,"body":"Mhm."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":826.72,"endTime":829.78,"body":"-- but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":826.72,"endTime":829.78,"body":"people who identify as Hindu use"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":829.78,"endTime":832.15,"body":"them, so we do too. Period, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":829.78,"endTime":832.15,"body":"end."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":832.57,"endTime":835.09,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":832.57,"endTime":835.09,"body":"mean, that makes sense. As"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":835.09,"endTime":838.15,"body":"always, we call people what they"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":835.09,"endTime":838.15,"body":"call themselves, what they want"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":838.15,"endTime":841.81,"body":"to be called! And Hindu isn't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":838.15,"endTime":841.81,"body":"the only or maybe even the first"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":841.81,"endTime":843.76,"body":"religion whose"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":841.81,"endTime":843.76,"body":"self-identification name was, at"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":843.76,"endTime":847.87,"body":"one point, a label. That's true"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":843.76,"endTime":847.87,"body":"for Jews and Judaism, it's true"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":847.87,"endTime":851.59,"body":"for Zoroastrianism, it's true"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":847.87,"endTime":851.59,"body":"for-- it's true for a lot of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":852.64,"endTime":857.23,"body":"-isms. So like, we can both know"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":852.64,"endTime":857.23,"body":"that it is a label that someone"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":857.23,"endTime":860.89,"body":"else (and by someone else, I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":857.23,"endTime":860.89,"body":"usually mean white European"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":861.55,"endTime":866.47,"body":"dudes) put on these groups and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":861.55,"endTime":866.47,"body":"someone else popularized, but"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":866.47,"endTime":869.2,"body":"also, we will trust people to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":866.47,"endTime":869.2,"body":"call themselves what they want"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":869.2,"endTime":871.3,"body":"to be called. And we will call"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":869.2,"endTime":871.3,"body":"them what they want to be"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":871.3,"endTime":874.87,"body":"called. Yeah. Okay, but for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":871.3,"endTime":874.87,"body":"real, though, I know you can get"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":874.87,"endTime":875.95,"body":"weird about language all day."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":877.21,"endTime":878.32,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":877.21,"endTime":878.32,"body":"Me?!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":880.51,"endTime":884.11,"body":"Lies. Fully lies."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":880.51,"endTime":884.11,"body":"I saw all the Sanskrit, like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":884.11,"endTime":887.5,"body":"annotations in the Sikhi episode"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":884.11,"endTime":887.5,"body":"in the margins. You are a liar."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":887.5,"endTime":892.27,"body":"Anyway! I cannot. I cannot, I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":887.5,"endTime":892.27,"body":"need you to stop now. So okay,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":892.27,"endTime":897.16,"body":"what do we actually want our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":892.27,"endTime":897.16,"body":"listeners to know, historically,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":897.25,"endTime":900.85,"body":"since you heart history, you"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":897.25,"endTime":900.85,"body":"love history so much, old things"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":900.91,"endTime":905.41,"body":"the best. Fine. And the next"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":900.91,"endTime":905.41,"body":"episode is about contemporary"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":905.41,"endTime":910.0,"body":"things. Hooray! That's for me. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":905.41,"endTime":910.0,"body":"like now. What... what history?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":910.78,"endTime":912.31,"body":"Listen."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":910.78,"endTime":912.31,"body":"Point of order."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":912.58,"endTime":912.64,"body":"Mhm."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":913.84,"endTime":916.15,"body":"The"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":913.84,"endTime":916.15,"body":"not-English words in the margins"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":916.15,"endTime":919.0,"body":"of the Sikhi episode were"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":916.15,"endTime":919.0,"body":"Punjabi, not Sanskrit."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":919.0,"endTime":919.96,"body":"Shit, I'm sorry."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":919.96,"endTime":921.19,"body":"Number"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":919.96,"endTime":921.19,"body":"two, alright--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":921.0,"endTime":923.61,"body":"If I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":921.0,"endTime":923.61,"body":"have to choose, I want us to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":921.19,"endTime":921.22,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":923.61,"endTime":926.49,"body":"think about some of the key"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":923.61,"endTime":926.49,"body":"ideas, and maybe some key terms,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":926.49,"endTime":930.27,"body":"for what we might see across"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":926.49,"endTime":930.27,"body":"historical periods for Hindu"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":930.27,"endTime":934.8,"body":"traditions. And so, I guess what"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":930.27,"endTime":934.8,"body":"I'm going to do is show you how"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":934.8,"endTime":937.92,"body":"that those were used, in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":934.8,"endTime":937.92,"body":"radically different ways, by all"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":937.92,"endTime":941.52,"body":"sorts of Hindus and, uh, others,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":937.92,"endTime":941.52,"body":"just to complicate matters"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":941.52,"endTime":945.12,"body":"further. So disclaimer to our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":941.52,"endTime":945.12,"body":"dear nerds, this is a killjoy's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":945.12,"endTime":948.63,"body":"introduction, not all things"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":945.12,"endTime":948.63,"body":"across time, and place, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":948.63,"endTime":951.87,"body":"space. I'm cherry picking here"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":948.63,"endTime":951.87,"body":"based on, frankly, what I have"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":951.87,"endTime":954.12,"body":"learned teaches well in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":951.87,"endTime":954.12,"body":"classrooms."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":954.51,"endTime":957.69,"body":"Okay, good to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":954.51,"endTime":957.69,"body":"know. Please continue."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":957.84,"endTime":959.34,"body":"Alright,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":957.84,"endTime":959.34,"body":"so, helpful facts about Hindu"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":959.34,"endTime":963.54,"body":"traditions include these words,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":959.34,"endTime":963.54,"body":"often: first up, Sanskrit. 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For me, I see"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":970.35,"endTime":974.01,"body":"it a lot, frankly, on the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":974.01,"endTime":978.66,"body":"interwebs when Hindutva trolls"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":974.01,"endTime":978.66,"body":"(right wing Hindu nationalists)"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":978.84,"endTime":982.32,"body":"accuse me of not knowing it (and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":978.84,"endTime":982.32,"body":"spoilers, nerds, I do. It's a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":982.32,"endTime":985.83,"body":"lot rustier now than I would"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":982.32,"endTime":985.83,"body":"like, but I do, thank you very"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":985.83,"endTime":989.58,"body":"much). 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It's used"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1004.79,"endTime":1006.8,"body":"sacramentally, or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1004.79,"endTime":1006.8,"body":"ritualistically, but..."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1006.92,"endTime":1010.49,"body":"religious things do not happen"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1006.92,"endTime":1010.49,"body":"exclusively in that language,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1010.61,"endTime":1015.92,"body":"nor is that language exclusively"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1010.61,"endTime":1015.92,"body":"used for religion. So, Sanskrit"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1015.92,"endTime":1019.55,"body":"texts include other genres of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1015.92,"endTime":1019.55,"body":"writing, not just religious"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1019.55,"endTime":1022.91,"body":"writing. 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AND,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1034.37,"endTime":1038.03,"body":"especially anyone who's looking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1034.37,"endTime":1038.03,"body":"for religion to be textual."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1039.02,"endTime":1041.54,"body":"Okay. I want to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1039.02,"endTime":1041.54,"body":"point out, first and foremost,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1041.57,"endTime":1044.27,"body":"that I said, \"Let's stop talking"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1041.57,"endTime":1044.27,"body":"about language,\" and you agreed,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1044.78,"endTime":1045.65,"body":"and then what did you do?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1046.31,"endTime":1048.05,"body":"This"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1046.31,"endTime":1048.05,"body":"is a key term. That's different."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1049.8,"endTime":1052.65,"body":"*cackles* Lies!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1049.8,"endTime":1052.65,"body":"You're a sneaky, sneaky liar!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1052.65,"endTime":1056.88,"body":"But okay. 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Yeah?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1440.66,"endTime":1442.7,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1440.66,"endTime":1442.7,"body":"You're right. You're right! Of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1442.7,"endTime":1447.08,"body":"course you're right. Those guys"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1442.7,"endTime":1447.08,"body":"with pens were obsessed with the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1447.08,"endTime":1451.16,"body":"other guys with pens. So lots"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1447.08,"endTime":1451.16,"body":"and lots of Hindu practices are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1451.43,"endTime":1454.94,"body":"not that. They're not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1451.43,"endTime":1454.94,"body":"Sanskritic. They're not tied to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1454.94,"endTime":1457.85,"body":"specific texts. There's dance as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1454.94,"endTime":1457.85,"body":"worship, they're singing and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1457.85,"endTime":1461.6,"body":"chanting, sometimes Sanskrit"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1457.85,"endTime":1461.6,"body":"mantras, but-but sometimes not."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1461.78,"endTime":1466.52,"body":"There's vernacular language"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1461.78,"endTime":1466.52,"body":"prayers, meaning like, spoken"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1466.52,"endTime":1471.5,"body":"languages, popular languages."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1466.52,"endTime":1471.5,"body":"There's practices, rituals, all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1471.5,"endTime":1475.13,"body":"of that gets ignored, or lumped,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1471.5,"endTime":1475.13,"body":"into this category of \"folk\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1475.19,"endTime":1480.98,"body":"religion, compared to the high,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1475.19,"endTime":1480.98,"body":"textual, like, authentic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1481.16,"endTime":1485.0,"body":"religion of the literate"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1481.16,"endTime":1485.0,"body":"Brahmins, these highest casted"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1485.0,"endTime":1485.78,"body":"of folks."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1485.96,"endTime":1492.86,"body":"Huh. Huh. Okay,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1485.96,"endTime":1492.86,"body":"so, I guess you said you were"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1492.86,"endTime":1495.26,"body":"going to talk more about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1492.86,"endTime":1495.26,"body":"diversity in Hindu tradition."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1495.26,"endTime":1496.85,"body":"Sorry, I'm just like, I'm"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1495.26,"endTime":1496.85,"body":"flashing back to our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1496.85,"endTime":1499.97,"body":"conversation about indigenous"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1496.85,"endTime":1499.97,"body":"religions and you talking about,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1500.0,"endTime":1504.92,"body":"like, tribal religions in India,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1500.0,"endTime":1504.92,"body":"and it's interesting that that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1504.92,"endTime":1509.87,"body":"stuff gets coded as like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1504.92,"endTime":1509.87,"body":"tribal...? And not Hindu. This"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1509.87,"endTime":1513.2,"body":"is all-- hm. Religion is messy."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1509.87,"endTime":1513.2,"body":"Anyway. Okay. Alright. You said"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1513.2,"endTime":1516.44,"body":"you were going to talk about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1513.2,"endTime":1516.44,"body":"diversity in Hinduism. So what"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1516.44,"endTime":1519.14,"body":"does that look like? How... what"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1516.44,"endTime":1519.14,"body":"does that... Yeah, how is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1519.17,"endTime":1523.73,"body":"Hinduism/Hindu traditions, how"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1519.17,"endTime":1523.73,"body":"are they diverse in practice?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1524.74,"endTime":1526.3,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1524.74,"endTime":1526.3,"body":"let's ground us in an example."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1526.3,"endTime":1530.11,"body":"You know I can't handle too much"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1526.3,"endTime":1530.11,"body":"theory talk. So let's use, let's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1530.11,"endTime":1535.84,"body":"use the epic, The Ramayana, as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1530.11,"endTime":1535.84,"body":"an example. 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The"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1554.95,"endTime":1558.64,"body":"Ramayana is his story, Rama's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1554.95,"endTime":1558.64,"body":"story. It's all about him and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1558.64,"endTime":1563.71,"body":"his wife, or consort, Sita, who"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1558.64,"endTime":1563.71,"body":"is, in the story, kidnapped by"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1563.71,"endTime":1568.06,"body":"Ravana, the Demon King, and all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1563.71,"endTime":1568.06,"body":"of the exploits they're in. It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1568.09,"endTime":1572.41,"body":"a very long and very popular"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1568.09,"endTime":1572.41,"body":"text that shows up in a ton of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1572.41,"endTime":1577.45,"body":"places across Asia, with lots of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1572.41,"endTime":1577.45,"body":"variation across whole ass"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1577.45,"endTime":1581.59,"body":"religions, and it is absolutely"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1577.45,"endTime":1581.59,"body":"crucial for contemporary"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1581.62,"endTime":1583.99,"body":"alt-right Hindu nationalists and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1581.62,"endTime":1583.99,"body":"extremists."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1585.52,"endTime":1590.89,"body":"Hm. You had me at"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1585.52,"endTime":1590.89,"body":"demon king! And then again at"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1590.89,"endTime":1592.54,"body":"nationalists and extremists."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1593.17,"endTime":1594.82,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1593.17,"endTime":1594.82,"body":"know, said Han Solo."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1595.99,"endTime":1599.17,"body":"*snickers* You"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1595.99,"endTime":1599.17,"body":"solo'd me! This is my extremely"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1599.17,"endTime":1601.72,"body":"Princess Leia voice. I love you."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1602.83,"endTime":1602.86,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1603.73,"endTime":1605.92,"body":"Heart hands is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1603.73,"endTime":1605.92,"body":"not good for radio, but that's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1605.92,"endTime":1606.37,"body":"what I'm doing."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1606.0,"endTime":1610.14,"body":"Okay,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1606.0,"endTime":1610.14,"body":"okay. So loving us aside, Rama,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1610.65,"endTime":1614.4,"body":"or Ram, becomes this really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1610.65,"endTime":1614.4,"body":"important, venerated king and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1614.4,"endTime":1618.99,"body":"deity. In the text, in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1614.4,"endTime":1618.99,"body":"Ramayana, he's complicated.! A"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1618.99,"endTime":1623.16,"body":"lot of the themes of it center"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1618.99,"endTime":1623.16,"body":"around \"Is Rama acting"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1623.16,"endTime":1627.24,"body":"correctly? Is he doing his"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1623.16,"endTime":1627.24,"body":"dharma,-- *Secret Word of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1627.24,"endTime":1633.06,"body":"Day* -- his duty, his obligation"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1627.24,"endTime":1633.06,"body":"as a son, as a king, as a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1633.06,"endTime":1636.36,"body":"husband, as a brother-- it's a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1633.06,"endTime":1636.36,"body":"deep text! I loooove reading it!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1636.6,"endTime":1639.39,"body":"And let me say that like any"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1636.6,"endTime":1639.39,"body":"text, there is many ways to read"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1639.39,"endTime":1642.93,"body":"it, as there are people doing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1639.39,"endTime":1642.93,"body":"the reading. So some folks read"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1642.93,"endTime":1648.03,"body":"Ram as a hero. Others read him"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1642.93,"endTime":1648.03,"body":"as an anti-woman, misogynistic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1648.03,"endTime":1652.83,"body":"villain of sorts. 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Right,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1676.53,"endTime":1679.41,"body":"because, if religion is what"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1679.41,"endTime":1683.73,"body":"people do, what people have done"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1679.41,"endTime":1683.73,"body":"with the story is where all the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1683.73,"endTime":1686.97,"body":"good stuff is, right? Like"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1683.73,"endTime":1686.97,"body":"that's, that's the juice!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1686.97,"endTime":1687.18,"body":"Absoutely."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1687.84,"endTime":1691.23,"body":"I think it's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1687.84,"endTime":1691.23,"body":"rather surprising that you said"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1691.23,"endTime":1696.0,"body":"that there was variations across"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1691.23,"endTime":1696.0,"body":"religions because, WTF, this is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1696.0,"endTime":1706.83,"body":"the Hinduism episode, and I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1696.0,"endTime":1706.83,"body":"thought the Ramayana? I thought"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1706.83,"endTime":1708.03,"body":"that was a Hindu text, though!!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1708.03,"endTime":1708.06,"body":"*chuckles*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1708.12,"endTime":1712.02,"body":"Is that-- is it--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1708.12,"endTime":1712.02,"body":"what... are you...? I feel like"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1712.02,"endTime":1714.06,"body":"next you're going to tell me"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1712.02,"endTime":1714.06,"body":"that like religions are not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1714.06,"endTime":1717.54,"body":"discrete entities, and that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1714.06,"endTime":1717.54,"body":"makes concepts like hybridity"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1717.54,"endTime":1719.37,"body":"essentially bullshit. Say it"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1717.54,"endTime":1719.37,"body":"ain't so!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1720.12,"endTime":1721.77,"body":"Sorry"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1720.12,"endTime":1721.77,"body":"about it, girl."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1722.1,"endTime":1722.55,"body":"Goddamn."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1722.82,"endTime":1725.34,"body":"Ramayana"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1722.82,"endTime":1725.34,"body":"tales show up in Southeast Asian"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1725.34,"endTime":1728.13,"body":"Buddhist communities, as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1725.34,"endTime":1728.13,"body":"cultural heritage, as puppet"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1728.13,"endTime":1729.36,"body":"theater, as major epic--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1729.0,"endTime":1732.72,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1729.0,"endTime":1732.72,"body":"everyone loves puppets. It shows"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1729.08,"endTime":1730.22,"body":"everybody"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1729.08,"endTime":1730.22,"body":"oves pupp"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1732.72,"endTime":1735.33,"body":"up there, though, right? And"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1732.72,"endTime":1735.33,"body":"there's major epic tale"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1735.33,"endTime":1739.35,"body":"affiliated with their"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1735.33,"endTime":1739.35,"body":"identities. So like, if you go"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1739.35,"endTime":1744.3,"body":"to Thailand, you will find"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1739.35,"endTime":1744.3,"body":"Ramayana puppet practices and,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1746.04,"endTime":1750.63,"body":"like, dress up plays that have a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1746.04,"endTime":1750.63,"body":"Buddhist and Thai twist."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1751.0,"endTime":1752.83,"body":"The"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1751.0,"endTime":1752.83,"body":"Ramayana also has a history,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1751.17,"endTime":1751.26,"body":"What!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1752.83,"endTime":1755.56,"body":"especially in the 15th to 17th"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1752.83,"endTime":1755.56,"body":"century, for those of you"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1755.56,"endTime":1759.52,"body":"keeping score at home, of being"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1755.56,"endTime":1759.52,"body":"really important to Muslims! 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Um, how-- help me think"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1813.04,"endTime":1820.33,"body":"about this. Are you suggesting"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1820.36,"endTime":1822.16,"body":"that because the Ramayana-- no--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1822.31,"endTime":1822.94,"body":"You're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1822.31,"endTime":1822.94,"body":"doing fine."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1823.24,"endTime":1828.22,"body":"*blows raspberry*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1823.24,"endTime":1828.22,"body":"I took Latin. 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I want to be"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1852.38,"endTime":1854.96,"body":"clear, because imperial white"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1854.96,"endTime":1859.43,"body":"dopes have tried to make"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1854.96,"endTime":1859.43,"body":"not-white people appear stupid"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1858.82,"endTime":1867.07,"body":"*giggles*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1859.43,"endTime":1862.85,"body":"and illiterate. The Ramayana"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1859.43,"endTime":1862.85,"body":"itself is dated to like 500"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1862.85,"endTime":1866.69,"body":"efore the Common Era to 100 of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1862.85,"endTime":1866.69,"body":"he Common Era. So it's, it's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1866.69,"endTime":1871.04,"body":"ld! Like, older than"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1866.69,"endTime":1871.04,"body":"Christianity old. But it isn't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1871.07,"endTime":1874.52,"body":"plentiful, those texts. It's no"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1871.07,"endTime":1874.52,"body":"like you can roll up to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1874.52,"endTime":1878.51,"body":"library in the Christian yea"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1874.52,"endTime":1878.51,"body":"zero and be like, \"Um, excuse m"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1878.51,"endTime":1881.9,"body":", I'd like the standard"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1878.51,"endTime":1881.9,"body":"zed Ramayana, please?\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1882.19,"endTime":1884.62,"body":"Manuscripts"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1882.19,"endTime":1884.62,"body":"were expensive. 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But, folks, masses,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1894.19,"endTime":1897.82,"body":"did hear these texts perform."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1894.19,"endTime":1897.82,"body":"They were memorized, they show"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1897.82,"endTime":1901.18,"body":"up in popular practice in... in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1897.82,"endTime":1901.18,"body":"time."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1902.68,"endTime":1905.44,"body":"Okay, okay. So"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1902.68,"endTime":1905.44,"body":"there is a text, it's highly"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1905.44,"endTime":1909.31,"body":"sophisticated and precise, it"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1905.44,"endTime":1909.31,"body":"just happened to come like 2500"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1909.34,"endTime":1913.96,"body":"to 2000 years ago-- give or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1909.34,"endTime":1913.96,"body":"take-- and it gets popular,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1914.05,"endTime":1915.64,"body":"like, WAY later than that."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1916.72,"endTime":1916.99,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1916.99,"endTime":1918.67,"body":"So what I'm"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1916.99,"endTime":1918.67,"body":"hearing-- okay, okay. So what"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1918.67,"endTime":1921.4,"body":"I'm hearing, then, is that we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1918.67,"endTime":1921.4,"body":"should expect variety rather"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1921.4,"endTime":1924.37,"body":"than than hear it as, like, some"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1921.4,"endTime":1924.37,"body":"sort of flaw, like it's a fake"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1924.37,"endTime":1927.97,"body":"Ramayana, because it changed"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1924.37,"endTime":1927.97,"body":"over time."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1928.09,"endTime":1929.98,"body":"You're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1928.09,"endTime":1929.98,"body":"so smart. That's exactly right."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1929.98,"endTime":1930.97,"body":"Thanks! Good job,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1929.98,"endTime":1930.97,"body":"me!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1931.39,"endTime":1932.53,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1931.39,"endTime":1932.53,"body":"you know what, I think this is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1932.53,"endTime":1935.26,"body":"the perfect place to let our"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1932.53,"endTime":1935.26,"body":"guest expert, Dr. Arun"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1935.26,"endTime":1936.58,"body":"Brahmbhatt, take a turn."},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1938.73,"endTime":1940.68,"body":"My name is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1938.73,"endTime":1940.68,"body":"Arun Brahmbhatt, and I'm an"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1940.68,"endTime":1943.92,"body":"expert on Hindu traditions, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1940.68,"endTime":1943.92,"body":"more generally, religion in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1943.92,"endTime":1947.46,"body":"colonial India. 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I care that folks,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1959.37,"endTime":1963.3,"body":"students, scholars, and my"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1959.37,"endTime":1963.3,"body":"neighbors way up here in the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1963.3,"endTime":1965.76,"body":"North Country of New York State,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1963.3,"endTime":1965.76,"body":"in the foothills of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1965.76,"endTime":1969.63,"body":"Adirondacks, know what I study"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1965.76,"endTime":1969.63,"body":"because understanding the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1969.63,"endTime":1972.84,"body":"present requires us to think"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1969.63,"endTime":1972.84,"body":"about the historical processes"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1972.84,"endTime":1977.52,"body":"that got us here, whether that's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1972.84,"endTime":1977.52,"body":"in relation to Hindu traditions,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1977.55,"endTime":1979.74,"body":"or any other religious"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1977.55,"endTime":1979.74,"body":"traditions."},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1982.41,"endTime":1985.08,"body":"One thing that I wish people"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1982.41,"endTime":1985.08,"body":"knew about Hindu traditions is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1985.08,"endTime":1988.44,"body":"that, to fully appreciate the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1985.08,"endTime":1988.44,"body":"diversity of Hindu traditions,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1988.98,"endTime":1993.18,"body":"we have to traverse a lot of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1988.98,"endTime":1993.18,"body":"time and space. Now, most people"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1993.18,"endTime":1996.27,"body":"have a sense of how old the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1993.18,"endTime":1996.27,"body":"roots of Hindu traditions are,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1996.48,"endTime":1999.12,"body":"and certainly most introductory"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1996.48,"endTime":1999.12,"body":"courses will cover things like"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1999.12,"endTime":2003.17,"body":"Vedic ritual, but a lot of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":1999.12,"endTime":2003.17,"body":"courses focus on Hinduism in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2003.17,"endTime":2006.53,"body":"what is now the nation state of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2003.17,"endTime":2006.53,"body":"India. 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A lot like defining"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2077.45,"endTime":2081.56,"body":"religion, there is no one"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2077.45,"endTime":2081.56,"body":"consensus on defining Hinduism."},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2082.85,"endTime":2085.43,"body":"There's diversity even if you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2082.85,"endTime":2085.43,"body":"take something that a lot of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2085.43,"endTime":2089.9,"body":"Hindus agree on. For example,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2085.43,"endTime":2089.9,"body":"there is the widespread idea"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2089.9,"endTime":2095.15,"body":"that there is a soul or a self,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2089.9,"endTime":2095.15,"body":"the atma. 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The ultimate goal is to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2109.37,"endTime":2113.45,"body":"break free of this cycle of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2113.45,"endTime":2118.22,"body":"birth, death, and rebirth. This"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2113.45,"endTime":2118.22,"body":"is called moksha. 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Two"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2180.86,"endTime":2185.63,"body":"very similar festivals, but with"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2185.63,"endTime":2190.46,"body":"completely different regional"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2185.63,"endTime":2190.46,"body":"inflections. These two festivals"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2190.46,"endTime":2193.67,"body":"are also useful in illustrating"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2190.46,"endTime":2193.67,"body":"how Hindu traditions can change"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2193.67,"endTime":2197.54,"body":"over time. The current shape of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2193.67,"endTime":2197.54,"body":"these festivals can be traced"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2197.54,"endTime":2201.59,"body":"back to the colonial period. In"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2197.54,"endTime":2201.59,"body":"Bengal, the celebration was used"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2201.59,"endTime":2204.65,"body":"as a way for wealthy landowners"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2201.59,"endTime":2204.65,"body":"to mark their social standing,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2205.07,"endTime":2208.7,"body":"particularly in connection with"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2205.07,"endTime":2208.7,"body":"British officials. In the mid"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2208.7,"endTime":2211.52,"body":"18th century, the British had"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2208.7,"endTime":2211.52,"body":"asserted dominance in the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2211.52,"endTime":2215.99,"body":"region. Now, by the early 20th"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2211.52,"endTime":2215.99,"body":"century, Durga Puja became a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2215.99,"endTime":2219.32,"body":"much more public celebration,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2215.99,"endTime":2219.32,"body":"and one that became connected"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2219.32,"endTime":2223.61,"body":"with anti-colonial nationalism."},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2219.32,"endTime":2223.61,"body":"There's a similar story in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2223.61,"endTime":2227.24,"body":"Maharashtra. At the end of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2223.61,"endTime":2227.24,"body":"19th century, the British had"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2227.24,"endTime":2230.03,"body":"banned large, public gatherings"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2227.24,"endTime":2230.03,"body":"because they were worried about"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2230.03,"endTime":2233.9,"body":"anti-colonial political"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2230.03,"endTime":2233.9,"body":"activity. However, they did"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2233.9,"endTime":2237.56,"body":"allow for religious gatherings."},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2233.9,"endTime":2237.56,"body":"Ganesh Chaturthi became a way"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2237.56,"endTime":2241.67,"body":"for people to come together in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2237.56,"endTime":2241.67,"body":"celebration of Ganesha, but also"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2241.67,"endTime":2245.84,"body":"to drum up solidarity against"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2241.67,"endTime":2245.84,"body":"the British. These celebrations"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2245.84,"endTime":2248.48,"body":"today aren't regularly"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2245.84,"endTime":2248.48,"body":"associated with their colonial"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2248.48,"endTime":2251.24,"body":"beginnings, but they do"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2248.48,"endTime":2251.24,"body":"demonstrate the transformative"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2251.24,"endTime":2252.62,"body":"effects of colonialism."},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2252.92,"endTime":2256.55,"body":"Now, this brings us to the world"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2252.92,"endTime":2256.55,"body":"religions model. Now, in one"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2256.55,"endTime":2261.59,"body":"sense, Hinduism has fared well,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2256.55,"endTime":2261.59,"body":"if your barometer for success in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2261.59,"endTime":2265.49,"body":"the world religions model is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2261.59,"endTime":2265.49,"body":"whether or not a religion is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2265.49,"endTime":2268.91,"body":"included, and certainly all"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2265.49,"endTime":2268.91,"body":"textbooks of world religions"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2268.91,"endTime":2273.32,"body":"have a chapter on Hinduism, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2268.91,"endTime":2273.32,"body":"all world religions courses will"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2273.32,"endTime":2278.72,"body":"have a section on Hinduism. 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Especially in the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2283.73,"endTime":2287.87,"body":"earliest articulations of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2287.87,"endTime":2291.5,"body":"world religions model, Hinduism"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2287.87,"endTime":2291.5,"body":"was constructed as a world"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2291.5,"endTime":2296.06,"body":"religion, as an other to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2291.5,"endTime":2296.06,"body":"Christianity, and this was a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2296.06,"endTime":2299.6,"body":"result of the colonial"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2296.06,"endTime":2299.6,"body":"encounter. Now, there are two"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2299.6,"endTime":2303.29,"body":"further points that are worth"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2299.6,"endTime":2303.29,"body":"noting with respect to this."},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2303.62,"endTime":2307.25,"body":"Many folks like to distinguish"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2303.62,"endTime":2307.25,"body":"between two types of colonial"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2307.25,"endTime":2311.51,"body":"scholarship. The first is one"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2307.25,"endTime":2311.51,"body":"that really sees Hindu"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2311.51,"endTime":2315.62,"body":"traditions as heathen"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2311.51,"endTime":2315.62,"body":"traditions-- all sorts of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2315.62,"endTime":2322.67,"body":"worries about polytheism, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2315.62,"endTime":2322.67,"body":"idolatry, and a disdain for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2322.7,"endTime":2326.87,"body":"religious literatures. There's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2322.7,"endTime":2326.87,"body":"another type of colonial"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2326.87,"endTime":2332.27,"body":"scholarship that romanticizes"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2326.87,"endTime":2332.27,"body":"Hindu traditions. These were"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2332.27,"endTime":2336.62,"body":"Orientalist scholars who saw a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2332.27,"endTime":2336.62,"body":"lot of value in ancient Sanskrit"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2336.62,"endTime":2341.48,"body":"texts. But, both of these views"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2336.62,"endTime":2341.48,"body":"represent an idea that Hindu"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2341.48,"endTime":2347.45,"body":"traditions are something wholly"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2341.48,"endTime":2347.45,"body":"other than Christian traditions."},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2348.44,"endTime":2352.28,"body":"And really, that India is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2348.44,"endTime":2352.28,"body":"something wholly other than"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2352.31,"endTime":2356.93,"body":"Europe. In other words, both of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2352.31,"endTime":2356.93,"body":"these views are problematic."},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2357.98,"endTime":2360.11,"body":"Now, the second point that I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2357.98,"endTime":2360.11,"body":"want to bring up about the world"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2360.11,"endTime":2364.1,"body":"religions model is that the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2360.11,"endTime":2364.1,"body":"colonial period was definitely"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2364.1,"endTime":2367.94,"body":"transformative, and scholars"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2364.1,"endTime":2367.94,"body":"have pointed out that many Hindu"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2367.94,"endTime":2371.99,"body":"self-conceptions were a direct"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2367.94,"endTime":2371.99,"body":"response to colonial critique"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2372.05,"endTime":2376.31,"body":"and inquiry. But even though the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2372.05,"endTime":2376.31,"body":"colonial period was"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2376.31,"endTime":2380.45,"body":"transformative, it is one of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2376.31,"endTime":2380.45,"body":"many periods of the development"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2380.45,"endTime":2385.13,"body":"of Hindu practices, texts,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2380.45,"endTime":2385.13,"body":"traditions. To understand modern"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2385.13,"endTime":2388.82,"body":"Hindu traditions, we have to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2385.13,"endTime":2388.82,"body":"start much earlier than the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2388.82,"endTime":2393.41,"body":"colonial period. 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And really, to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2427.79,"endTime":2431.12,"body":"say that Hinduism isn't a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2427.79,"endTime":2431.12,"body":"religion says a lot about one's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2431.15,"endTime":2435.77,"body":"own definitions of religion in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2431.15,"endTime":2435.77,"body":"the first place. So yes, the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2435.77,"endTime":2439.22,"body":"colonial period is important,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2435.77,"endTime":2439.22,"body":"but we can't focus on the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2439.22,"endTime":2444.29,"body":"colonial period to the exclusion"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2439.22,"endTime":2444.29,"body":"of other periods. My own work on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2444.29,"endTime":2446.93,"body":"the use of Sanskrit in the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2444.29,"endTime":2446.93,"body":"Swaminarayan tradition in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2446.93,"endTime":2450.53,"body":"colonial western India draws on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2446.93,"endTime":2450.53,"body":"these understandings, and I'm"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2450.53,"endTime":2454.52,"body":"really interested in issues of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2450.53,"endTime":2454.52,"body":"continuity and innovation. Even"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2454.52,"endTime":2457.07,"body":"though it's said that Sanskrit"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2454.52,"endTime":2457.07,"body":"is a dead language, people in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2457.07,"endTime":2460.49,"body":"the modern period use it in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2457.07,"endTime":2460.49,"body":"dynamic ways. Now, a lot of my"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2460.49,"endTime":2463.64,"body":"work is, perhaps, a bit too"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2460.49,"endTime":2463.64,"body":"technical for what the listeners"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2463.64,"endTime":2467.3,"body":"of Keeping It 101 are here for,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2463.64,"endTime":2467.3,"body":"but let me give you a small"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2467.3,"endTime":2470.78,"body":"example. When I was a grad"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2467.3,"endTime":2470.78,"body":"student learning Sanskrit, I was"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2470.78,"endTime":2472.79,"body":"translating a piece of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2470.78,"endTime":2472.79,"body":"contemporary Sanskrit"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2472.79,"endTime":2477.2,"body":"composition. I came across a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2472.79,"endTime":2477.2,"body":"word, and I couldn't quite"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2477.2,"endTime":2480.92,"body":"figure out the translation or"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2477.2,"endTime":2480.92,"body":"how it fit in. The word was"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2480.95,"endTime":2485.45,"body":"durdarshana, which literally"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2480.95,"endTime":2485.45,"body":"means seeing far, but it just"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2485.45,"endTime":2490.55,"body":"didn't make sense. Finally, my"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2485.45,"endTime":2490.55,"body":"Sanskrit teacher revealed to me"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2490.55,"endTime":2496.73,"body":"that this was a term invented by"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2490.55,"endTime":2496.73,"body":"modern authors to refer to the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2496.73,"endTime":2502.07,"body":"television. Here I was thinking"},{"speaker":"Dr. Arun Brahmbhatt","startTime":2496.73,"endTime":2502.07,"body":"it was some sort of classical"},{"speaker":"trope, but no","startTime":2502.07,"endTime":2507.29,"body":"television;"},{"speaker":"trope, but no","startTime":2502.07,"endTime":2507.29,"body":"seeing far. Now, this is a"},{"speaker":"trope, but no","startTime":2507.29,"endTime":2511.19,"body":"really small example, and not at"},{"speaker":"trope, but no","startTime":2507.29,"endTime":2511.19,"body":"all indicative of the really"},{"speaker":"trope, but no","startTime":2511.19,"endTime":2515.27,"body":"intense theological debates in"},{"speaker":"trope, but no","startTime":2511.19,"endTime":2515.27,"body":"Sanskrit that I study, but it"},{"speaker":"trope, but no","startTime":2515.27,"endTime":2519.32,"body":"does show a creative engagement"},{"speaker":"trope, but no","startTime":2515.27,"endTime":2519.32,"body":"with classical registers. 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I'm so"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2542.69,"endTime":2546.5,"body":"grateful for our nerds and them"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2542.69,"endTime":2546.5,"body":"helping us think about, well,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2546.53,"endTime":2549.14,"body":"these things that I'M certainly"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2546.53,"endTime":2549.14,"body":"not an expert in. It's just,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2549.14,"endTime":2551.54,"body":"it's nice to hear from other"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2549.14,"endTime":2551.54,"body":"people who aren't us. Thanks,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2551.54,"endTime":2560.3,"body":"friends! And now, it's time to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2551.54,"endTime":2560.3,"body":"move on to... 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It is a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2572.24,"endTime":2579.08,"body":"little bit to leave you with."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2572.24,"endTime":2579.08,"body":"Ugh. Yeah, you know, I-I think"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2579.08,"endTime":2581.33,"body":"my little bit leave it is just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2579.08,"endTime":2581.33,"body":"how little my three degrees in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2581.33,"endTime":2586.13,"body":"religion taught me about Hindu"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2581.33,"endTime":2586.13,"body":"traditions. Like, I'm reflecting"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2586.13,"endTime":2588.08,"body":"and I'm realizing, like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2586.13,"endTime":2588.08,"body":"everything I know about Hinduism"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2588.08,"endTime":2592.4,"body":"came from like, the day in that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2588.08,"endTime":2592.4,"body":"one class in grad school, or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2592.4,"endTime":2595.85,"body":"stuff that I've picked up truly"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2592.4,"endTime":2595.85,"body":"from, like, through osmosis from"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2595.85,"endTime":2601.82,"body":"you, orrrr, the crap-- I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2595.85,"endTime":2601.82,"body":"shouldn't call it crap-- the,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2601.88,"endTime":2605.0,"body":"uh, problematic and limited"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2601.88,"endTime":2605.0,"body":"stuff that is available in world"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2605.0,"endTime":2609.2,"body":"religions textbooks, or things"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2605.0,"endTime":2609.2,"body":"that I am picking up in and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2609.2,"endTime":2612.56,"body":"around like conversations about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2609.2,"endTime":2612.56,"body":"space between Hinduism and Hindu"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2612.56,"endTime":2617.48,"body":"nationalism from journalists"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2612.56,"endTime":2617.48,"body":"like Kalpana Jain. Yeah. So, I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2617.48,"endTime":2620.96,"body":"know very little, which is a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2617.48,"endTime":2620.96,"body":"little bit sad, because this"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2620.96,"endTime":2623.48,"body":"seems like an important space to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2620.96,"endTime":2623.48,"body":"think about how religion and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2623.48,"endTime":2628.28,"body":"culture and language and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2623.48,"endTime":2628.28,"body":"literature and Empire and ritual"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2628.28,"endTime":2632.3,"body":"and text all shape and inform"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2628.28,"endTime":2632.3,"body":"each other. And I a little bit"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2632.3,"endTime":2634.61,"body":"feel like I have a lot more"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2632.3,"endTime":2634.61,"body":"learning to do about Hindu"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2634.61,"endTime":2635.75,"body":"traditions, is what."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2635.75,"endTime":2640.04,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2635.75,"endTime":2640.04,"body":"Alright. Well, we can all stand"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2640.04,"endTime":2643.76,"body":"to learn more. And, I think I've"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2640.04,"endTime":2643.76,"body":"talked way too much this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2643.76,"endTime":2643.94,"body":"episode."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2643.94,"endTime":2645.11,"body":"What?! 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It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2662.84,"endTime":2666.38,"body":"important. And it's more"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2662.84,"endTime":2666.38,"body":"important than, like, some"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2666.38,"endTime":2668.9,"body":"elementary school teacher"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2666.38,"endTime":2668.9,"body":"telling you that Indian history"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2668.93,"endTime":2672.89,"body":"equals Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2668.93,"endTime":2672.89,"body":"right? Like that, that shit"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2672.89,"endTime":2677.36,"body":"sucks. So, there's a reason I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2672.89,"endTime":2677.36,"body":"left that stuff out, and there's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2677.36,"endTime":2680.06,"body":"a reason I put in the politics"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2677.36,"endTime":2680.06,"body":"and the textuality and the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2680.06,"endTime":2683.6,"body":"history. I'll leave it at that."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2680.06,"endTime":2683.6,"body":"It's important. Go learn some"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2683.6,"endTime":2685.04,"body":"stuff. Period."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2685.04,"endTime":2685.07,"body":"Hm."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2687.26,"endTime":2688.79,"body":"But if"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2687.26,"endTime":2688.79,"body":"you don't know, now you know!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2688.79,"endTime":2690.95,"body":"It's the segment where we get"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2688.79,"endTime":2690.95,"body":"one factoid each."},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2691.49,"endTime":2693.5,"body":"*If"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2691.49,"endTime":2693.5,"body":"You Don't Know, Now You Know*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2693.8,"endTime":2696.56,"body":"Megan,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2693.8,"endTime":2696.56,"body":"I know you know things about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2696.56,"endTime":2699.47,"body":"Hindu traditions even though I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2696.56,"endTime":2699.47,"body":"did most of the chatting this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2699.47,"endTime":2702.23,"body":"time, and you keep saying you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2699.47,"endTime":2702.23,"body":"don't know stuff. But wha-- what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2702.23,"endTime":2704.78,"body":"kind of fun fact do you got for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2702.23,"endTime":2704.78,"body":"our nerds? Come on, give me"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2704.78,"endTime":2705.26,"body":"something."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2705.41,"endTime":2708.17,"body":"Okay, okay. I can"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2705.41,"endTime":2708.17,"body":"I can do this. Okay. 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Which"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2723.23,"endTime":2727.34,"body":"means I was super excited to--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2727.34,"endTime":2729.86,"body":"truly the point of derailing our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2727.34,"endTime":2729.86,"body":"post- training dinner-- when"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2729.86,"endTime":2734.78,"body":"Hahuman popped up in Black"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2729.86,"endTime":2734.78,"body":"Panther! So M'Baku, who is the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2734.78,"endTime":2737.09,"body":"leader of the Jabari, invokes"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2734.78,"endTime":2737.09,"body":"Hanuman before he fights"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2737.12,"endTime":2740.63,"body":"T'Chala, and this is like a one"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2737.12,"endTime":2740.63,"body":"line thing, and everybody else"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2740.63,"endTime":2742.37,"body":"who I went to see the movie with"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2740.63,"endTime":2742.37,"body":"was like, \"Just keep on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2742.37,"endTime":2745.28,"body":"trekkin'\" and I was like, \"Wait,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2742.37,"endTime":2745.28,"body":"shut it down. 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I missed the whole"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2761.18,"endTime":2763.46,"body":"fight, and then we went out for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2763.46,"endTime":2766.79,"body":"dinner afterward and nobody"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2763.46,"endTime":2766.79,"body":"wanted to talk to me about it."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2766.79,"endTime":2770.6,"body":"So I had to like... it's such a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2766.79,"endTime":2770.6,"body":"problem. But this is, this is my"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2770.6,"endTime":2772.88,"body":"brain! 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And-- anyway, I was"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2781.73,"endTime":2784.7,"body":"supposed to be having dinner"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2784.79,"endTime":2788.3,"body":"with non-religion nerd friends,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2784.79,"endTime":2788.3,"body":"but none of them cared about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2788.33,"endTime":2792.98,"body":"this, like, one sentence mention"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2788.33,"endTime":2792.98,"body":"of Hanuman, a Hindu monkey god!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2793.28,"endTime":2796.01,"body":"And I love them, but they were"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2793.28,"endTime":2796.01,"body":"wrong for having a thought about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2796.01,"endTime":2800.0,"body":"it. 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They're obnoxious, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2823.43,"endTime":2826.94,"body":"whenever I would do fieldwork,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2826.94,"endTime":2829.88,"body":"like monkey-- I just, I don't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2826.94,"endTime":2829.88,"body":"know. I think-- I think monkeys"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2829.88,"endTime":2834.23,"body":"hate me. I had monkeys, like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2829.88,"endTime":2834.23,"body":"steal my pens. I've had a monkey"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2834.23,"endTime":2837.74,"body":"like steal my sandwich. 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A"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2876.58,"endTime":2879.79,"body":"monkey motherfucking stole my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2876.58,"endTime":2879.79,"body":"pen!\" I-- whatever. And like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2879.79,"endTime":2882.22,"body":"none of that is Hanuman-- okay,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2879.79,"endTime":2882.22,"body":"everybody, that's NOT about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2882.22,"endTime":2883.75,"body":"Hanuman, that's just about the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2882.22,"endTime":2883.75,"body":"monkeys--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2883.81,"endTime":2885.16,"body":"*laughing* It's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2883.81,"endTime":2885.16,"body":"just monkeys, monkeys, monkeys!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2885.16,"endTime":2886.72,"body":"-- in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2885.16,"endTime":2886.72,"body":"and around the Hanuman temple."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2886.78,"endTime":2891.64,"body":"So in my mind, while I love"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2886.78,"endTime":2891.64,"body":"Hanuman, I do not... I do not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2891.67,"endTime":2895.27,"body":"always love his ritual spaces"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2891.67,"endTime":2895.27,"body":"because I just-- monkeys hate"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2895.27,"endTime":2896.53,"body":"me! I think they're out to get"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2895.27,"endTime":2896.53,"body":"me."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2896.03,"endTime":2900.89,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2896.03,"endTime":2900.89,"body":"Well, alright, I've derailed us,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2896.53,"endTime":2896.56,"body":"*cackles*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2900.92,"endTime":2902.93,"body":"but how about I give an actual"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2900.92,"endTime":2902.93,"body":"fun fact?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2902.93,"endTime":2904.22,"body":"Yeah okay,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2902.93,"endTime":2904.22,"body":"alright, alright."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2904.33,"endTime":2905.44,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2904.33,"endTime":2905.44,"body":"like, one of the facts my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2905.44,"endTime":2908.77,"body":"students squeal about-- and I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2905.44,"endTime":2908.77,"body":"teach a Hinduism class once a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2908.77,"endTime":2911.2,"body":"year, and then every other year"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2908.77,"endTime":2911.2,"body":"or so I teach this, like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2911.2,"endTime":2914.41,"body":"Ramayana seminar. But my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2911.2,"endTime":2914.41,"body":"students love this idea that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2914.41,"endTime":2919.12,"body":"popular practices-- so like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2914.41,"endTime":2919.12,"body":"visiting deities in temples--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2919.81,"endTime":2919.87,"body":"Mhm."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2919.87,"endTime":2922.15,"body":"--there's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2919.87,"endTime":2922.15,"body":"a lot of them that, um, don't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2922.18,"endTime":2926.98,"body":"exist in texts at all. 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So some"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2952.42,"endTime":2955.75,"body":"deities really like coconut,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2955.78,"endTime":2958.63,"body":"others really like ghee, or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2955.78,"endTime":2958.63,"body":"clarified butter, some like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2958.63,"endTime":2962.68,"body":"flowers, and often, those"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2958.63,"endTime":2962.68,"body":"practices-- these, like, really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2962.68,"endTime":2965.65,"body":"important rituals-- you can't,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2962.68,"endTime":2965.65,"body":"like, cite chapter and verse as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2965.65,"endTime":2968.86,"body":"to why. It's not like you could"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2965.65,"endTime":2968.86,"body":"pull up the Ramayana and be"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2968.86,"endTime":2970.84,"body":"like, \"Yeah, yeah yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2968.86,"endTime":2970.84,"body":"Hanuman's in this book, this is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2970.84,"endTime":2976.15,"body":"where he shows up, and on page"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2970.84,"endTime":2976.15,"body":"481, it says this.\" It doesn't!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2976.18,"endTime":2979.33,"body":"It's just-- I'm putting that in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2976.18,"endTime":2979.33,"body":"quotes-- it's \"just\" tradition,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2979.33,"endTime":2982.69,"body":"it's \"just\" custom, or it's kind"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2979.33,"endTime":2982.69,"body":"of from a poem but it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2982.69,"endTime":2986.35,"body":"elaborated, or it's a song, or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2982.69,"endTime":2986.35,"body":"it's regional. I want you to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2986.35,"endTime":2989.5,"body":"hear how people-- like, what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2986.35,"endTime":2989.5,"body":"people do isn't necessarily tied"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2989.5,"endTime":2992.92,"body":"to text, even if you see these"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2989.5,"endTime":2992.92,"body":"characters, these deities, show"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2992.92,"endTime":2996.88,"body":"up in text. So I love the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2992.92,"endTime":2996.88,"body":"variations. I think it matters"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2996.88,"endTime":3000.72,"body":"that it shows up in these ways,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2996.88,"endTime":3000.72,"body":"that, like, what people do is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3000.72,"endTime":3002.55,"body":"not about \"just\" a book."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3003.24,"endTime":3003.93,"body":"I love that."},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":3004.56,"endTime":3007.2,"body":"*If"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":3004.56,"endTime":3007.2,"body":"You Don't Know, Now You Know\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3007.2,"endTime":3009.3,"body":"We"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3007.2,"endTime":3009.3,"body":"blew it with my monkeys. 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I was so tired one"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3018.45,"endTime":3021.78,"body":"day, I like roll out this one"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3021.78,"endTime":3025.62,"body":"archive, and I sat down and I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3021.78,"endTime":3025.62,"body":"like, unwrapped my sad sandwich"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3025.62,"endTime":3029.16,"body":"that I had made-- it was, like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3025.62,"endTime":3029.16,"body":"a cucumber sandwich-- and I was"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3029.16,"endTime":3032.19,"body":"like, I put it next to me, which"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3029.16,"endTime":3032.19,"body":"was, like, probably mistake"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3032.19,"endTime":3035.58,"body":"number one, and I like zoned"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3032.19,"endTime":3035.58,"body":"out, and I like heard the paper"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3035.58,"endTime":3038.76,"body":"moving, like the wax paper I'd"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3035.58,"endTime":3038.76,"body":"wrapped it in, and I was like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3038.76,"endTime":3040.86,"body":"\"No, don't take my sand--\" and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3038.76,"endTime":3040.86,"body":"it was a monkey! And I was like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3040.89,"endTime":3043.95,"body":"\"Well now, I'm not eating that.\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3040.89,"endTime":3043.95,"body":"This is.. I'm just... I'm out."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3043.95,"endTime":3046.53,"body":"*laughs* I can't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3043.95,"endTime":3046.53,"body":"eat that after you touched it"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3046.53,"endTime":3047.64,"body":"with your monkey fingers."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3047.79,"endTime":3050.58,"body":"Truly!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3047.79,"endTime":3050.58,"body":"I was just like, I... lost. I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3050.58,"endTime":3053.43,"body":"lost to a monkey. It was just..."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3050.58,"endTime":3053.43,"body":"really bad. Anyways."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3053.43,"endTime":3054.87,"body":"*laughs* Yeah, a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3053.43,"endTime":3054.87,"body":"couple of times, it sounds like."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3054.87,"endTime":3057.69,"body":"Anyway. Don't pack up yet,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3054.87,"endTime":3057.69,"body":"nerds! You've got homework."},{"speaker":"Simpsons","startTime":3057.78,"endTime":3057.93,"body":"*Homework*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3059.85,"endTime":3062.64,"body":"Alright."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3059.85,"endTime":3062.64,"body":"Our guest Dr. Brahmbhatt has a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3062.64,"endTime":3067.53,"body":"chapter on the BAPS Swaminarayan"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3062.64,"endTime":3067.53,"body":"communities, a modern Hindu"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3067.53,"endTime":3071.04,"body":"movement that's super important"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3067.53,"endTime":3071.04,"body":"worldwide. They have the largest"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3071.04,"endTime":3074.22,"body":"temples outside of the nation"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3071.04,"endTime":3074.22,"body":"state of India. So I'm going to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3074.22,"endTime":3078.84,"body":"link you up to that. Wendy"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3074.22,"endTime":3078.84,"body":"Doniger has this book called \"On"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3078.87,"endTime":3083.01,"body":"Hinduism,\" which caused a stir a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3078.87,"endTime":3083.01,"body":"number of years ago with the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3083.01,"endTime":3086.01,"body":"Hindutva trolls, but to be"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3083.01,"endTime":3086.01,"body":"honest, I think it's pretty"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3086.01,"endTime":3088.56,"body":"solid, and very excessively"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3086.01,"endTime":3088.56,"body":"written, and some of those"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3088.56,"endTime":3091.86,"body":"chapters would work brilliantly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3088.56,"endTime":3091.86,"body":"in book clubs or introductory"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3091.86,"endTime":3110.82,"body":"level classes. 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I'm going to-- I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3147.54,"endTime":3149.7,"body":"going to pull out that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3147.54,"endTime":3149.7,"body":"nationalism piece in our next"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3149.7,"endTime":3152.7,"body":"episode, so if you're interested"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3149.7,"endTime":3152.7,"body":"in the text itself, for an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3152.7,"endTime":3156.45,"body":"abridged version, I like the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3152.7,"endTime":3156.45,"body":"Narayan. It's an oldie but a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3156.45,"endTime":3159.78,"body":"goodie. 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So, t"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3184.86,"endTime":3187.14,"body":"ey're edited volumes, which"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3184.86,"endTime":3187.14,"body":"means every chapter has a diffe"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3187.14,"endTime":3190.2,"body":"ent topic, and a different autho"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3187.14,"endTime":3190.2,"body":", and I'll link to both of these"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3190.2,"endTime":3194.97,"body":"because they're literally just"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3190.2,"endTime":3194.97,"body":"bout how plural this tradi"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3194.97,"endTime":3200.61,"body":"ion is, and it focuses on lived"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3194.97,"endTime":3200.61,"body":"practices. And because I said"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3200.61,"endTime":3203.04,"body":"hat magic thing that alway"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3200.61,"endTime":3203.04,"body":"gets me hate on the inter"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3203.04,"endTime":3205.8,"body":"et, which is Muslim Ramay"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3203.04,"endTime":3205.8,"body":"nas, I'm going to link to some"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3205.8,"endTime":3208.65,"body":"ome stuff about those, parti"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3205.8,"endTime":3208.65,"body":"ularly Indonesia's Ramay"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3208.65,"endTime":3212.52,"body":"na tradition, and a book by my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3208.65,"endTime":3212.52,"body":"colleague at UVM, John Seyll"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3212.52,"endTime":3216.03,"body":"r, which is all about the Freer"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3212.52,"endTime":3216.03,"body":"Ramayana, which is a Musli"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3216.06,"endTime":3219.36,"body":"-sponsored, Persian langu"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3216.06,"endTime":3219.36,"body":"ge Ramayana, and it's gorge"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3219.39,"endTime":3224.19,"body":"us. So, I'll link to all of th"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3219.39,"endTime":3224.19,"body":"t stuff. I'm going to stop here"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3224.19,"endTime":3227.7,"body":"but hey, nerds, don't tell Megan"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3224.19,"endTime":3227.7,"body":"- I'm 100% going to stash extra"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3227.7,"endTime":3229.98,"body":"stuff in the show notes. So if"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3227.7,"endTime":3229.98,"body":"you want more, I'll put it there"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3229.98,"endTime":3230.76,"body":"Don't tell her!)."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3232.08,"endTime":3233.52,"body":"*laughs* How will"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3232.08,"endTime":3233.52,"body":"I ever know?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3233.52,"endTime":3233.55,"body":"*snickers*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3235.29,"endTime":3238.14,"body":"Alright. I, as"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3235.29,"endTime":3238.14,"body":"this episode has made abundantly"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3238.14,"endTime":3241.41,"body":"clear, do not know from"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3238.14,"endTime":3241.41,"body":"Hinduism. And what I do know is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3241.41,"endTime":3244.11,"body":"almost entirely about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3241.41,"endTime":3244.11,"body":"contemporary stuff. Literally my"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3244.11,"endTime":3248.64,"body":"first and probably, sadly, most"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3244.11,"endTime":3248.64,"body":"formative encounter with"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3248.64,"endTime":3253.05,"body":"Hinduism was Indiana Jones and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3248.64,"endTime":3253.05,"body":"the Temple of Doom. Like, they"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3253.05,"endTime":3257.88,"body":"never say Hinduism, but it was"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3253.05,"endTime":3257.88,"body":"the first time I heard about the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3257.91,"endTime":3260.55,"body":"Thuggee, it is, I think,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3257.91,"endTime":3260.55,"body":"honestly, the first time I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3260.55,"endTime":3264.96,"body":"realized that, like, Brits had"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3260.55,"endTime":3264.96,"body":"been in India and that maybe"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3264.96,"endTime":3270.12,"body":"colonialism existed?? Anyway,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3264.96,"endTime":3270.12,"body":"yeah. Temple of Doom, not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3270.12,"endTime":3273.18,"body":"actually a source on Hinduism,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3270.12,"endTime":3273.18,"body":"unless you want to look at like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3273.24,"endTime":3277.65,"body":"very bad, horrible, violent"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3273.24,"endTime":3277.65,"body":"stereotypes of Hindus. *sighs*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3278.91,"endTime":3282.51,"body":"But okay, my-my \"Problem of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3278.91,"endTime":3282.51,"body":"World Religions\" class-- which"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3282.51,"endTime":3285.72,"body":"is a literal class I took a Drew"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3282.51,"endTime":3285.72,"body":"that I really hope they call"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3285.72,"endTime":3290.49,"body":"something else now-- had me read"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3285.72,"endTime":3290.49,"body":"Diana Eck's Darsan, which made"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3290.49,"endTime":3293.55,"body":"me rethink how it's possible to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3290.49,"endTime":3293.55,"body":"be in relationship to and with"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3293.55,"endTime":3297.27,"body":"the divine, and, um, yeah! That"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3293.55,"endTime":3297.27,"body":"was, that was a good book from"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3297.27,"endTime":3298.02,"body":"what I remember--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3298.14,"endTime":3298.86,"body":"It's a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3298.14,"endTime":3298.86,"body":"great book."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3298.86,"endTime":3302.85,"body":"-- from, 15 years"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3298.86,"endTime":3302.85,"body":"ago. Anyway. Um, I also really"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3302.85,"endTime":3306.12,"body":"dig Shivam Bhatt's storytelling"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3302.85,"endTime":3306.12,"body":"threads about Hindu gods on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3306.12,"endTime":3309.75,"body":"Twitter because I am, as I think"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3306.12,"endTime":3309.75,"body":"we have established, just trash"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3309.75,"endTime":3313.8,"body":"for a good story. So his handle"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3309.75,"endTime":3313.8,"body":"is elektrotal? It's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3313.83,"endTime":3320.1,"body":"e-l-e-k-t-r-o-t-a-l, and I will"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3313.83,"endTime":3320.1,"body":"link to his thread about Hanuman"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3320.1,"endTime":3322.2,"body":"in Black Panther in the show"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3320.1,"endTime":3322.2,"body":"notes to get you started."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3322.8,"endTime":3324.09,"body":"Okay,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3322.8,"endTime":3324.09,"body":"wow! That's a lot."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3324.09,"endTime":3324.21,"body":"Yeah. *giggles*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3324.21,"endTime":3325.83,"body":"Big"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3324.21,"endTime":3325.83,"body":"thanks to those of you writing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3325.83,"endTime":3329.4,"body":"reviews on iTunes, Spotify,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3325.83,"endTime":3329.4,"body":"Amazon, and Google. It really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3329.4,"endTime":3333.33,"body":"helps! So, our nerds of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3329.4,"endTime":3333.33,"body":"week-- *drumroll* are:"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3333.96,"endTime":3343.86,"body":"JACK83642, PKeatra, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3333.96,"endTime":3343.86,"body":"Mimi62916. 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If you need more"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3360.78,"endTime":3363.42,"body":"religion nerderie, you know"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3360.78,"endTime":3363.42,"body":"where to find us-- it's Twitter!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3363.42,"endTime":3364.47,"body":"The answer's Twitter."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3364.68,"endTime":3367.02,"body":"Yeah. You can"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3364.68,"endTime":3367.02,"body":"find Megan (that's me!) on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3367.02,"endTime":3372.15,"body":"Twitter  @mpgPhD, and Ilyse"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3367.02,"endTime":3372.15,"body":"@ProfIRMF, or the show"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3372.18,"endTime":3377.46,"body":"@keepingit_101. Find the website"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3372.18,"endTime":3377.46,"body":"at keepingit101.com. 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