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And"},{"speaker":"the 101","startTime":398.84,"endTime":404.57,"body":"then two, how can we even talk"},{"speaker":"the 101","startTime":404.57,"endTime":408.95,"body":"about, like, Hinduism as A"},{"speaker":"the 101","startTime":404.57,"endTime":408.95,"body":"thing, given you keep saying how"},{"speaker":"the 101","startTime":408.95,"endTime":410.27,"body":"much plurality there is?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":411.2,"endTime":413.69,"body":"Those"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":411.2,"endTime":413.69,"body":"are excellent questions, Megan!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":413.78,"endTime":414.17,"body":"Thanks, you wrote"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":413.78,"endTime":414.17,"body":"them!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":415.17,"endTime":417.6,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":415.17,"endTime":417.6,"body":"let me take them in order!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":417.03,"endTime":417.09,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":417.6,"endTime":419.76,"body":"First--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":417.6,"endTime":419.76,"body":"listen, you know I love"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":419.76,"endTime":422.4,"body":"historical facts and trends, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":419.76,"endTime":422.4,"body":"you-- like, literally you,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":422.4,"endTime":426.69,"body":"Megan, and I assume our longtime"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":422.4,"endTime":426.69,"body":"listeners at this point-- also"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":426.69,"endTime":430.23,"body":"know that, frankly, my entire"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":426.69,"endTime":430.23,"body":"intellectual project is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":430.23,"endTime":434.13,"body":"historical legacies in today's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":430.23,"endTime":434.13,"body":"world. That's just how my brain"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":434.4,"endTime":438.48,"body":"works. The shin bone's connected"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":434.4,"endTime":438.48,"body":"to the knee bone, etc. So for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":438.48,"endTime":441.57,"body":"me, one of our catchphrases at"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":438.48,"endTime":441.57,"body":"this point is actually a really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":441.6,"endTime":443.79,"body":"good way to answer your"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":441.6,"endTime":443.79,"body":"question. Religion is what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":443.79,"endTime":446.82,"body":"people do. This particular"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":443.79,"endTime":446.82,"body":"catchphrase is one that I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":446.85,"endTime":452.07,"body":"borrowed for the pod from my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":446.85,"endTime":452.07,"body":"classrooms. And I apply this--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":452.07,"endTime":455.64,"body":"religion is what people do-- in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":452.07,"endTime":455.64,"body":"every single era we study, or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":455.67,"endTime":460.71,"body":"*I* study, period. But listen,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":455.67,"endTime":460.71,"body":"I'm not dumb. When we say that,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":460.71,"endTime":464.37,"body":"when we say \"religion is what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":460.71,"endTime":464.37,"body":"people do,\" most of us, you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":464.37,"endTime":467.37,"body":"know, listening right now, are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":464.37,"endTime":467.37,"body":"bounded in time and space to,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":467.49,"endTime":469.41,"body":"like, this moment right now?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":469.68,"endTime":470.34,"body":"Allegedly."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":470.49,"endTime":472.32,"body":"Our"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":470.49,"endTime":472.32,"body":"go-to thought isn't, therefore,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":472.32,"endTime":476.43,"body":"like, 1546. So when I say"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":472.32,"endTime":476.43,"body":"religion is what people do, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":476.43,"endTime":479.31,"body":"assume our listeners, or my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":476.43,"endTime":479.31,"body":"students, are imagining people"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":479.31,"endTime":483.78,"body":"doing something like, right"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":479.31,"endTime":483.78,"body":"here, right now. So thinking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":483.78,"endTime":487.32,"body":"about contemporary practices is,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":483.78,"endTime":487.32,"body":"like, frankly, just a useful way"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":487.32,"endTime":490.83,"body":"for us to get our nerds to SEE"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":487.32,"endTime":490.83,"body":"what people do, like, with"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":491.25,"endTime":494.76,"body":"video, or images, or in their"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":491.25,"endTime":494.76,"body":"mind's eye, since this is an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":495.15,"endTime":496.02,"body":"audio medium."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":496.02,"endTime":496.05,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":497.89,"endTime":500.32,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":497.89,"endTime":500.32,"body":"more importantly, I assume,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":500.38,"endTime":503.32,"body":"frankly, far more where your"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":500.38,"endTime":503.32,"body":"brain lives, Goodwin,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":503.53,"endTime":507.07,"body":"contemporary practices actually"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":503.53,"endTime":507.07,"body":"impact all of us. And that might"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":507.07,"endTime":511.51,"body":"sound absurd-- how do Dalit, or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":507.07,"endTime":511.51,"body":"uncastrated, or... ugh,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":511.57,"endTime":513.76,"body":"untouchable (which we're going"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":511.57,"endTime":513.76,"body":"to get to that word in a hot"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":513.76,"endTime":517.33,"body":"second)... How do Dalit"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":513.76,"endTime":517.33,"body":"practices, for example, affect"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":517.36,"endTime":519.85,"body":"us, two white ladies, in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":517.36,"endTime":519.85,"body":"United States?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":520.84,"endTime":522.97,"body":"Is this a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":520.84,"endTime":522.97,"body":"butterfly effect scenario? Are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":522.97,"endTime":527.02,"body":"you pitching a butterfly effect"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":522.97,"endTime":527.02,"body":"scenario? What... mm. What's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":527.02,"endTime":527.83,"body":"happening? What?!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":527.52,"endTime":529.942,"body":"No, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":527.52,"endTime":529.942,"body":"mean, I'm not-- or am I? No, I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":530.006,"endTime":533.832,"body":"not. I'm super not. There are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":530.006,"endTime":533.832,"body":"not multiple timelines, we are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":533.895,"endTime":537.594,"body":"not, like, rolling a multi-sided"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":533.895,"endTime":537.594,"body":"die, we are not butterfly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":537.657,"endTime":541.292,"body":"effecting, but I AM trying to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":537.657,"endTime":541.292,"body":"say that those Dalit ritual"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":541.355,"endTime":544.862,"body":"practices contribute to how"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":541.355,"endTime":544.862,"body":"Hindu traditions are lived,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":544.926,"endTime":548.433,"body":"right now, and that IS"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":544.926,"endTime":548.433,"body":"political. That impacts economic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":548.496,"endTime":552.45,"body":"systems, and that can tell us"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":548.496,"endTime":552.45,"body":"something about access to things"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":552.513,"endTime":556.148,"body":"like clean water, and toilets!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":552.513,"endTime":556.148,"body":"It can tell us a lot about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":556.211,"endTime":560.101,"body":"identity, fluidity of practice,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":556.211,"endTime":560.101,"body":"even experiences of violence."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":560.165,"endTime":564.054,"body":"So, like you and I have said a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":560.165,"endTime":564.054,"body":"million times now, religion is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":564.118,"endTime":567.624,"body":"never just religion, and so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":564.118,"endTime":567.624,"body":"thinking about contemporary"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":567.688,"endTime":571.386,"body":"practices helps us understand"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":567.688,"endTime":571.386,"body":"not THE world, in some grand"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":571.45,"endTime":575.148,"body":"sense, but OUR world-- like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":571.45,"endTime":575.148,"body":"this literal place that we're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":575.212,"endTime":576.36,"body":"sharing right now."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":576.0,"endTime":581.52,"body":"Yes. Yes. All of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":576.0,"endTime":581.52,"body":"that. Yes. As you know, I am"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":581.52,"endTime":585.45,"body":"really interested both in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":581.52,"endTime":585.45,"body":"religious innovation and in how"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":585.45,"endTime":588.15,"body":"religion is politics and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":585.45,"endTime":588.15,"body":"politics are religious."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":588.63,"endTime":590.46,"body":"Obviously, that's definitely"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":588.63,"endTime":590.46,"body":"true in what's now the United"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":590.46,"endTime":594.57,"body":"States, but I also a little bit"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":590.46,"endTime":594.57,"body":"know that it's true in India,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":595.08,"endTime":597.96,"body":"and we're going to be drawing a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":595.08,"endTime":597.96,"body":"lot of our examples from India"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":597.96,"endTime":601.5,"body":"for folks who claim Indian"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":597.96,"endTime":601.5,"body":"heritage today, even though we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":601.5,"endTime":604.86,"body":"know, nerds, that Hinduism is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":601.5,"endTime":604.86,"body":"NOT limited to India, or even"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":604.86,"endTime":608.55,"body":"South Asia. Which I guess brings"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":604.86,"endTime":608.55,"body":"us back to my second question:"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":610.02,"endTime":614.55,"body":"can we even think about, like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":610.02,"endTime":614.55,"body":"Hinduism as A thing if there's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":614.55,"endTime":616.11,"body":"SO much plurality in it?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":616.77,"endTime":618.48,"body":"Well,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":616.77,"endTime":618.48,"body":"I mean, *sighs* this is a big"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":618.48,"endTime":621.33,"body":"question for scholars of South"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":618.48,"endTime":621.33,"body":"Asia-- all of it, NOT just"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":621.33,"endTime":625.08,"body":"India. And scholars of religion"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":621.33,"endTime":625.08,"body":"AND scholars of Hindu"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":625.08,"endTime":625.8,"body":"traditions--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":625.83,"endTime":626.64,"body":"Hey, can I--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":626.88,"endTime":627.15,"body":"Yeah!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":627.15,"endTime":628.83,"body":"Can I ask a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":627.15,"endTime":628.83,"body":"question that's maybe a dumb"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":628.83,"endTime":632.31,"body":"question, but... I don't know,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":628.83,"endTime":632.31,"body":"help a sister out. When we're"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":632.31,"endTime":634.35,"body":"talking about, say, South Asia,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":632.31,"endTime":634.35,"body":"where are we talking about?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":634.96,"endTime":638.23,"body":"Oh,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":634.96,"endTime":638.23,"body":"boy. Okay. My insides hurt. But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":638.23,"endTime":641.92,"body":"you are correct. South Asia is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":638.23,"endTime":641.92,"body":"comprised of many nation-states."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":641.95,"endTime":644.47,"body":"If you can imagine a map--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":641.95,"endTime":644.47,"body":"since, again, audio medium--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":644.74,"endTime":645.19,"body":"Yep, yep."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":645.19,"endTime":646.9,"body":"--we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":645.19,"endTime":646.9,"body":"are thinking about what looks"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":646.9,"endTime":651.94,"body":"like the subcontinent of India."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":646.9,"endTime":651.94,"body":"So, that peninsula that juts out"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":651.94,"endTime":655.9,"body":"into the Indian Ocean. But it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":651.94,"endTime":655.9,"body":"not just India! So, Pakistan is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":655.9,"endTime":662.98,"body":"there, India, Bhutan, Nepal,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":655.9,"endTime":662.98,"body":"Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":662.98,"endTime":666.7,"body":"Maldives-- like, all of those"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":662.98,"endTime":666.7,"body":"places, and then, depending on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":666.73,"endTime":671.74,"body":"who's in charge of deciding what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":666.73,"endTime":671.74,"body":"counts as Asia, as compared to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":671.74,"endTime":675.52,"body":"the Middle East, some folks"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":671.74,"endTime":675.52,"body":"would include Afghanistan. Other"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":675.52,"endTime":678.52,"body":"folks, when they're deciding"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":675.52,"endTime":678.52,"body":"between South Asia and Southeast"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":678.55,"endTime":684.85,"body":"Asia, might include Burma or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":678.55,"endTime":684.85,"body":"Myanmar, and some of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":684.85,"endTime":692.29,"body":"countries that were historically"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":684.85,"endTime":692.29,"body":"connected to the subcontinent by"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":692.29,"endTime":695.68,"body":"rulership. So, it's flexible,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":692.29,"endTime":695.68,"body":"but yeah. That's the region"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":695.68,"endTime":696.64,"body":"we're talking about."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":696.91,"endTime":698.05,"body":"Okay! That's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":696.91,"endTime":698.05,"body":"helpful, thanks!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":699.08,"endTime":700.85,"body":"Yeah!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":699.08,"endTime":700.85,"body":"Don't get me started, because we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":700.85,"endTime":703.94,"body":"could talk about, for days, how"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":700.85,"endTime":703.94,"body":"like, depending on where we are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":703.94,"endTime":707.57,"body":"at war, then the US classifies"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":703.94,"endTime":707.57,"body":"Pakistan as, like, \"the Middle"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":707.57,"endTime":710.36,"body":"East,\" because like, Middle East"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":707.57,"endTime":710.36,"body":"equals Muslim. It's a whole"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":710.36,"endTime":714.41,"body":"thing, gang. Go Google what I've"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":710.36,"endTime":714.41,"body":"written before. *laughs*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":714.41,"endTime":717.08,"body":"*laughs* Please"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":714.41,"endTime":717.08,"body":"see my published works. 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Let's not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":728.78,"endTime":729.68,"body":"do that."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":730.02,"endTime":731.52,"body":"Cool."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":730.02,"endTime":731.52,"body":"So there's a lot of folks--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":731.52,"endTime":734.94,"body":"including Hindus themselves--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":731.52,"endTime":734.94,"body":"who've used this argument of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":734.94,"endTime":739.05,"body":"plurality, which you're citing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":734.94,"endTime":739.05,"body":"here, to argue that their"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":739.05,"endTime":743.4,"body":"specific lineage, like, their"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":739.05,"endTime":743.4,"body":"particular neck of the Hindu"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":743.4,"endTime":747.57,"body":"woods, is actually its own thing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":743.4,"endTime":747.57,"body":"and its own religion. 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Oh my god, you learned SO"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1076.03,"endTime":1077.53,"body":"much and I am SO proud??"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1077.53,"endTime":1078.01,"body":"Thank you, thank"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1077.53,"endTime":1078.01,"body":"you!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1078.01,"endTime":1079.36,"body":"Yup,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1078.01,"endTime":1079.36,"body":"those are the basics. Good work."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1080.05,"endTime":1083.11,"body":"And from those basics, nerds,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1080.05,"endTime":1083.11,"body":"I'm going to spin out now into"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1083.11,"endTime":1086.2,"body":"how this gets used"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1083.11,"endTime":1086.2,"body":"contemporarily. And I'm going to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1086.2,"endTime":1089.83,"body":"do this in two ways! And you've"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1086.2,"endTime":1089.83,"body":"noticed that I am really in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1089.83,"endTime":1091.42,"body":"thick of it, because I think"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1089.83,"endTime":1091.42,"body":"this is the third time I've"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1091.42,"endTime":1092.86,"body":"given you a two-point list."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1093.61,"endTime":1093.67,"body":"Mhm!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1093.7,"endTime":1095.98,"body":"One is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1093.7,"endTime":1095.98,"body":"that we're going to think about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1095.98,"endTime":1099.19,"body":"nationalism and Hindutva"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1095.98,"endTime":1099.19,"body":"specifically, and the other,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1099.22,"endTime":1101.89,"body":"number two, is to think about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1099.22,"endTime":1101.89,"body":"Dalit practices. Let's start"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1101.89,"endTime":1103.36,"body":"with Dalits first, actually."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1103.51,"endTime":1104.95,"body":"Okay. This is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1103.51,"endTime":1104.95,"body":"another place where I would like"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1104.95,"endTime":1108.19,"body":"to pause and say I'm pretty sure"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1104.95,"endTime":1108.19,"body":"that I know what this word"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1108.19,"endTime":1111.46,"body":"means, but what if you defined"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1108.19,"endTime":1111.46,"body":"it for our nerds?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1112.12,"endTime":1113.26,"body":"You"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1112.12,"endTime":1113.26,"body":"got it."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1113.44,"endTime":1113.89,"body":"Thanks!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1114.29,"endTime":1118.58,"body":"Dalit--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1114.29,"endTime":1118.58,"body":"*Secret Word of the Day* -- and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1118.58,"endTime":1121.61,"body":"some people might say DAH-LEAT,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1118.58,"endTime":1121.61,"body":"because that's how it's spelled"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1121.61,"endTime":1126.44,"body":"in English, but, you know--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1121.61,"endTime":1126.44,"body":"Dalit is the name of folks from"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1126.44,"endTime":1129.2,"body":"what, frankly, in the in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1126.44,"endTime":1129.2,"body":"West and parts of South Asia,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1129.2,"endTime":1133.61,"body":"were known as untouchable, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1129.2,"endTime":1133.61,"body":"lowest caste in the system. And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1133.61,"endTime":1136.94,"body":"for many folks who think about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1133.61,"endTime":1136.94,"body":"caste critically, you might even"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1137.09,"endTime":1140.75,"body":"judge that so as to say not the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1137.09,"endTime":1140.75,"body":"lowest caste, but really, a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1140.75,"endTime":1145.67,"body":"caste so low as to literally be"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1140.75,"endTime":1145.67,"body":"outside the system. Unranked,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1146.06,"endTime":1151.16,"body":"unseen, unvalued. 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But that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1166.52,"endTime":1170.57,"body":"legal category is imperfect and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1170.57,"endTime":1174.71,"body":"often problematic for all sorts"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1170.57,"endTime":1174.71,"body":"of reasons, and I'm not going to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1174.71,"endTime":1178.64,"body":"get into that now. But, in other"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1174.71,"endTime":1178.64,"body":"places like the US, there are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1178.64,"endTime":1183.53,"body":"also movements to include caste"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1178.64,"endTime":1183.53,"body":"and particularly Dalit casted"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1183.53,"endTime":1187.31,"body":"folks among other kinds of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1183.53,"endTime":1187.31,"body":"social contracts for legal"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1187.31,"endTime":1191.0,"body":"protection. So when we see, say,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1187.31,"endTime":1191.0,"body":"like, an equal opportunity"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1191.0,"endTime":1195.08,"body":"hiring statement, there are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1191.0,"endTime":1195.08,"body":"movements afoot to add caste to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1195.08,"endTime":1198.89,"body":"that long list of things that we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1195.08,"endTime":1198.89,"body":"acknowledge are systemically"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1199.01,"endTime":1201.92,"body":"part of oppression and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1199.01,"endTime":1201.92,"body":"oppressive histories."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1202.46,"endTime":1204.38,"body":"Right. And if I'm"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1202.46,"endTime":1204.38,"body":"understanding correctly, which I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1204.38,"endTime":1207.23,"body":"only know a teeny tiny bit"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1204.38,"endTime":1207.23,"body":"about, but this is an issue,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1207.23,"endTime":1210.71,"body":"again, that's not just happening"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1207.23,"endTime":1210.71,"body":"in India or in the region of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1210.71,"endTime":1215.48,"body":"South Asia, but has affects even"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1210.71,"endTime":1215.48,"body":"in, like, American businesses. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1215.48,"endTime":1217.79,"body":"know this is been an issue in,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1215.48,"endTime":1217.79,"body":"like, Silicon Valley."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1218.05,"endTime":1220.51,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1218.05,"endTime":1220.51,"body":"Absolutely. There are really,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1220.51,"endTime":1226.36,"body":"like, HUGE pushes right now to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1220.51,"endTime":1226.36,"body":"get caste recognized in the US"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1226.39,"endTime":1230.5,"body":"as a legitimate form of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1226.39,"endTime":1230.5,"body":"oppression because low--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1230.53,"endTime":1235.36,"body":"historically low casted folks,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1230.53,"endTime":1235.36,"body":"even after immigrating, and even"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1235.36,"endTime":1239.38,"body":"after being here for quite a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1235.36,"endTime":1239.38,"body":"long time, are experiencing the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1239.38,"endTime":1242.29,"body":"effects of the system of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1239.38,"endTime":1242.29,"body":"oppression known as casteism."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1242.86,"endTime":1245.05,"body":"Mm. Which ______,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1242.86,"endTime":1245.05,"body":"like, it's not helping."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1246.41,"endTime":1248.24,"body":"Yes. I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1246.41,"endTime":1248.24,"body":"would, I would-- yes, I would"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1248.24,"endTime":1251.36,"body":"agree with that. 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It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1290.54,"endTime":1293.45,"body":"super, super complicated and in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1293.45,"endTime":1295.91,"body":"the homework, I've got some good"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1293.45,"endTime":1295.91,"body":"assignments for folks if they"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1295.91,"endTime":1299.3,"body":"need to untangle how-how hard it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1295.91,"endTime":1299.3,"body":"is."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1299.39,"endTime":1301.31,"body":"It is hard!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1299.39,"endTime":1301.31,"body":"Cause, like, in my class, we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1301.31,"endTime":1305.27,"body":"talked about Dalit folks"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1301.31,"endTime":1305.27,"body":"converting to Buddhism, and that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1305.27,"endTime":1308.63,"body":"allows social mobility, but"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1305.27,"endTime":1308.63,"body":"apparently it's more complicated"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1308.63,"endTime":1311.54,"body":"than that. There's so much to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1308.63,"endTime":1311.54,"body":"know! Agh!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1311.78,"endTime":1312.14,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1311.78,"endTime":1312.14,"body":"know!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1312.14,"endTime":1312.26,"body":"Sorry."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1312.26,"endTime":1314.06,"body":"The"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1312.26,"endTime":1314.06,"body":"world is wondrous and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1314.06,"endTime":1315.14,"body":"impossible."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1315.38,"endTime":1315.47,"body":"*sighs* Go."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1316.56,"endTime":1318.69,"body":"But I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1316.56,"endTime":1318.69,"body":"just want our listeners to know"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1318.78,"endTime":1323.52,"body":"that Dalit activism, in many"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1318.78,"endTime":1323.52,"body":"ways, centers on this term,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1323.52,"endTime":1327.03,"body":"right? It centers on the caste"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1323.52,"endTime":1327.03,"body":"term, because it's connecting"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1327.06,"endTime":1331.59,"body":"uncasted, oppressed groups,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1327.06,"endTime":1331.59,"body":"frankly, across religions, even"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1331.59,"endTime":1336.45,"body":"if Hinduism is primary in that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1331.59,"endTime":1336.45,"body":"space. Right? So the too long,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1336.45,"endTime":1338.76,"body":"don't care of all this-- though"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1336.45,"endTime":1338.76,"body":"you should fucking care because"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1338.76,"endTime":1341.4,"body":"systemic oppression hurts all of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1338.76,"endTime":1341.4,"body":"us-- but the too long, didn't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1341.4,"endTime":1343.77,"body":"listen of this-- and again, I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1341.4,"endTime":1343.77,"body":"focusing on India because of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1343.8,"endTime":1348.45,"body":"nation-state laws-- in a Hindu"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1343.8,"endTime":1348.45,"body":"hegemony, the caste system is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1348.45,"endTime":1353.13,"body":"ubiquitous, even if it is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1348.45,"endTime":1353.13,"body":"technically illegal, and the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1353.13,"endTime":1356.79,"body":"status of the lowest ranking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1353.13,"endTime":1356.79,"body":"group matters in every single"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1356.79,"endTime":1359.97,"body":"way, but it also creates some"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1356.79,"endTime":1359.97,"body":"interesting religious practices,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1359.97,"endTime":1362.73,"body":"nuances and traditions. And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1359.97,"endTime":1362.73,"body":"that's kind of where I want us"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1362.73,"endTime":1363.27,"body":"to head."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1363.54,"endTime":1365.82,"body":"Okay, I like"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1363.54,"endTime":1365.82,"body":"that! 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So, how are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1384.72,"endTime":1386.04,"body":"Dalits part of these practices?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1386.25,"endTime":1387.99,"body":"Okay!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1386.25,"endTime":1387.99,"body":"A few ways. I'm going to pick"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1387.99,"endTime":1392.97,"body":"the most obvious one because,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1387.99,"endTime":1392.97,"body":"you know, time, and because it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1392.97,"endTime":1395.46,"body":"illustrative! Not singular,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1392.97,"endTime":1395.46,"body":"though, right?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1395.46,"endTime":1395.55,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1395.51,"endTime":1400.468,"body":"So I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1395.51,"endTime":1400.468,"body":"thinking-- immediately when you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1400.599,"endTime":1407.906,"body":"ask that question, I am"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1400.599,"endTime":1407.906,"body":"thinking, here, of the Ramnamis,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1408.036,"endTime":1415.866,"body":"a movement of Hindus that began"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1408.036,"endTime":1415.866,"body":"with the Chamar community in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1415.996,"endTime":1423.695,"body":"what is now Chhatisghar, India."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1415.996,"endTime":1423.695,"body":"So, Chamars are one of many"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1423.825,"endTime":1431.394,"body":"scheduled castes. 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I like it."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1617.21,"endTime":1618.44,"body":"I like all of this."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1618.44,"endTime":1618.5,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1618.65,"endTime":1618.98,"body":"Rad."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1618.98,"endTime":1620.36,"body":"But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1618.98,"endTime":1620.36,"body":"there also is a way that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1620.39,"endTime":1624.38,"body":"Ramnamis use a vernacular"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1620.39,"endTime":1624.38,"body":"version of the Ramayana of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1624.38,"endTime":1626.09,"body":"their-- as their central text."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1626.12,"endTime":1627.65,"body":"Okay, I don't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1626.12,"endTime":1627.65,"body":"know what any of that means."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1627.65,"endTime":1627.74,"body":"But--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1627.83,"endTime":1630.32,"body":"Great."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1627.83,"endTime":1630.32,"body":"So Sanskrit is a language that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1630.32,"endTime":1634.73,"body":"few people spoke, and limited"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1630.32,"endTime":1634.73,"body":"groups had access to, in terms"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1634.73,"endTime":1635.51,"body":"of literacy."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1635.51,"endTime":1635.6,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1635.81,"endTime":1637.31,"body":"That"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1635.81,"endTime":1637.31,"body":"doesn't mean stories don't exist"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1637.31,"endTime":1641.84,"body":"in the vernacular, which is to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1637.31,"endTime":1641.84,"body":"say, spoken, popular languages."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1642.29,"endTime":1642.35,"body":"Mhm."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1642.57,"endTime":1645.09,"body":"So,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1642.57,"endTime":1645.09,"body":"the Ramayana is in Sanskrit,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1646.77,"endTime":1650.25,"body":"but, there is a version of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1646.77,"endTime":1650.25,"body":"Ramayana, called the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1650.52,"endTime":1655.38,"body":"Ramcharitmanas, and it's a poem,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1650.52,"endTime":1655.38,"body":"a long poem, from the 16th"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1655.38,"endTime":1658.02,"body":"century, and if you care about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1655.38,"endTime":1658.02,"body":"this, it's by a notable figure"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1658.02,"endTime":1662.94,"body":"named Tulsidas. 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I'm telling you, I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1699.12,"endTime":1700.59,"body":"bowling right down the middle"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1699.12,"endTime":1700.59,"body":"for you, girl."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1700.59,"endTime":1700.62,"body":"*chuckles*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1701.74,"endTime":1703.15,"body":"They"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1701.74,"endTime":1703.15,"body":"enter the scene way later than"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1703.15,"endTime":1706.84,"body":"the 16th century, right? So this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1703.15,"endTime":1706.84,"body":"vernacular text which is sung,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1706.87,"endTime":1711.58,"body":"and memorized, and performed,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1706.87,"endTime":1711.58,"body":"exists, and then, through that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1711.58,"endTime":1715.48,"body":"exposure, historians argue,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1711.58,"endTime":1715.48,"body":"comes this group, the Ramnamis."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1716.02,"endTime":1719.23,"body":"But they use this interpretation"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1716.02,"endTime":1719.23,"body":"of the Sanskrit epic in a way--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1719.23,"endTime":1723.07,"body":"an ALLOWED way-- to have access"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1719.23,"endTime":1723.07,"body":"to the stories about this one"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1723.07,"endTime":1726.28,"body":"divinity, Ram, and it's one way"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1723.07,"endTime":1726.28,"body":"of interpreting Ram from the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1726.28,"endTime":1729.82,"body":"Ramayana! 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Okay."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1772.99,"endTime":1775.12,"body":"Yeah!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1772.99,"endTime":1775.12,"body":"And the god who's named here is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1775.12,"endTime":1777.88,"body":"the upholder of the caste"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1775.12,"endTime":1777.88,"body":"system, right? Ram is the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1777.88,"endTime":1780.4,"body":"upholder of Dharma and caste is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1777.88,"endTime":1780.4,"body":"a big part of that."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1780.4,"endTime":1780.61,"body":"Holy shit."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1780.61,"endTime":1782.47,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1780.61,"endTime":1782.47,"body":"they're like, \"Guess who's ours?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1782.5,"endTime":1783.91,"body":"It's him. He's ours now.\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1783.91,"endTime":1784.33,"body":"Holy crap."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1784.33,"endTime":1784.39,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1784.75,"endTime":1787.39,"body":"Okay! Okay, so"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1784.75,"endTime":1787.39,"body":"this is I mean, this..."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1787.48,"endTime":1787.99,"body":"It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1787.48,"endTime":1787.99,"body":"deep!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1787.49,"endTime":1791.509,"body":"It's... it's not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1787.49,"endTime":1791.509,"body":"just a troll, but it IS an epic"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1791.593,"endTime":1796.365,"body":"troll-- a literally epic--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1791.593,"endTime":1796.365,"body":"troll. Okay. So caste plays in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1796.449,"endTime":1801.892,"body":"here historically. Ramnamis come"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1796.449,"endTime":1801.892,"body":"from an utterly oppressed caste,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1801.976,"endTime":1807.251,"body":"BUT, they still found this way"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1801.976,"endTime":1807.251,"body":"to access these huge, canonical,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1807.335,"endTime":1812.443,"body":"like, gate-kept Hindu texts, AND"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1807.335,"endTime":1812.443,"body":"despite having unique ritual"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1812.526,"endTime":1816.964,"body":"practices, like tattoos, or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1812.526,"endTime":1816.964,"body":"printed shawls, or annual"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1817.048,"endTime":1822.156,"body":"festivals, this is also what"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1817.048,"endTime":1822.156,"body":"Hinduism is because this is part"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1822.24,"endTime":1827.264,"body":"of what Hindus do! Okay, okay,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1822.24,"endTime":1827.264,"body":"okay! *sound interlude* Okay,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1827.348,"endTime":1832.539,"body":"that's enough stories and text,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1827.348,"endTime":1832.539,"body":"though. Uh, hands on hips. I'm"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1832.623,"endTime":1837.647,"body":"ready. Now you tell me about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1832.623,"endTime":1837.647,"body":"politics. I waited long enough."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1837.731,"endTime":1838.82,"body":"It's my time."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1838.18,"endTime":1839.92,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1838.18,"endTime":1839.92,"body":"Okay. We talked about Hindu"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1839.92,"endTime":1842.71,"body":"nationalism in our SmartGrrl"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1839.92,"endTime":1842.71,"body":"Summer religious nationalism"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1842.71,"endTime":1843.46,"body":"episode."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1843.5,"endTime":1845.24,"body":"And I will never"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1843.5,"endTime":1845.24,"body":"not love a call back."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1845.42,"endTime":1847.43,"body":"I know"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1845.42,"endTime":1847.43,"body":"you do. But if we're talking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1847.43,"endTime":1850.55,"body":"Ramayana, we have to talk Hindu"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1847.43,"endTime":1850.55,"body":"nationalism. As interesting as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1850.55,"endTime":1853.34,"body":"all this caste stuff is, and as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1850.55,"endTime":1853.34,"body":"much as I could talk Ramnamis"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1853.34,"endTime":1856.76,"body":"'til I'm blue in the face, we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1853.34,"endTime":1856.76,"body":"cannot talk Ramayana and we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1856.76,"endTime":1859.73,"body":"cannot talk Ram without talking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1856.76,"endTime":1859.73,"body":"Hindu nationalism. And I'm not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1859.73,"endTime":1863.66,"body":"sorry at all because this is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1859.73,"endTime":1863.66,"body":"hashtag facts. I do not want to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1863.66,"endTime":1866.96,"body":"drone on and on, so maybe we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1863.66,"endTime":1866.96,"body":"keep this shorterish? And you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1866.96,"endTime":1870.41,"body":"know what, Megan, I know that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1866.96,"endTime":1870.41,"body":"you're playing coy to my verbose"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1870.41,"endTime":1871.1,"body":"in this episode--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1871.46,"endTime":1871.52,"body":"Whaaaa?!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1871.52,"endTime":1874.16,"body":"--but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1871.52,"endTime":1874.16,"body":"can you teach some of this? Can"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1874.16,"endTime":1878.18,"body":"you tell our nerds what YOU"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1874.16,"endTime":1878.18,"body":"know, about, maybe not the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1878.18,"endTime":1880.64,"body":"Ramayana specifically, but Ram"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1878.18,"endTime":1880.64,"body":"and Hindutva?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1880.97,"endTime":1884.06,"body":"I mean, it"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1880.97,"endTime":1884.06,"body":"definitely won't take long, but"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1884.06,"endTime":1887.48,"body":"you bet your sweet ass, I can!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1884.06,"endTime":1887.48,"body":"Put me in, coach! Alright."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1887.149,"endTime":1890.33,"body":"Finally! Finally,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1887.149,"endTime":1890.33,"body":"politics. This piece, I know."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1887.51,"endTime":1888.86,"body":"You're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1887.51,"endTime":1888.86,"body":"in. Do it."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1890.398,"endTime":1894.662,"body":"Alright, Hindutva *Secret Word"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1890.398,"endTime":1894.662,"body":"of the Day* is a movement itself"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1894.73,"endTime":1898.723,"body":"that means \"Hinduness,\" and it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1894.73,"endTime":1898.723,"body":"articulates a sense of India"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1898.791,"endTime":1902.649,"body":"(and sometimes all of South"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1898.791,"endTime":1902.649,"body":"Asia) as inherently Hindu. We"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1902.717,"endTime":1906.44,"body":"have seen this play out in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1902.717,"endTime":1906.44,"body":"really violent ways, against"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1906.508,"endTime":1909.824,"body":"plurality within Hindu"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1906.508,"endTime":1909.824,"body":"traditions, and especially"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1909.892,"endTime":1913.818,"body":"against religious minorities"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1909.892,"endTime":1913.818,"body":"like Muslims. And, ahhh, that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1913.886,"endTime":1918.15,"body":"ties, in part, to the Ramayana"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1913.886,"endTime":1918.15,"body":"or Ram in this famous example of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1918.218,"endTime":1921.941,"body":"the Babri Masjid, or the Ram"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1918.218,"endTime":1921.941,"body":"Janmabhoomi, the temple in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1922.008,"endTime":1925.664,"body":"Ayodhya, the site which held a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1922.008,"endTime":1925.664,"body":"mosque and a temple for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1925.731,"endTime":1929.59,"body":"literally hundreds and hundreds"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1925.731,"endTime":1929.59,"body":"of years. Until religious"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1929.657,"endTime":1933.786,"body":"nationalism. So Ayodhya, many"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1929.657,"endTime":1933.786,"body":"Hindus say, is Rams birthplace."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1933.854,"endTime":1937.915,"body":"And that makes the site tied to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1933.854,"endTime":1937.915,"body":"text from the start. The \"we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1937.983,"endTime":1941.638,"body":"don't have time for this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1937.983,"endTime":1941.638,"body":"version\" is, in the 1980s and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1941.706,"endTime":1945.903,"body":"early 90s, Hindu nationalists"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1941.706,"endTime":1945.903,"body":"led a campaign to rid the shared"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1945.97,"endTime":1950.099,"body":"sacred historical site of its"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1945.97,"endTime":1950.099,"body":"shared-ness, to basically evict"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1950.167,"endTime":1954.364,"body":"and destroy the mosque. They did"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1950.167,"endTime":1954.364,"body":"this in the name of religion,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1954.432,"endTime":1958.358,"body":"and Hinduism explicitly. In"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1954.432,"endTime":1958.358,"body":"December 1992, this is exactly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1958.425,"endTime":1962.487,"body":"what happened-- a mob literally"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1958.425,"endTime":1962.487,"body":"ripped down the 16th century"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1962.554,"endTime":1966.48,"body":"mosque complex, and afterward,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1962.554,"endTime":1966.48,"body":"there were many, many, many"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1966.548,"endTime":1970.542,"body":"lives lost (like over 2000 lives"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1966.548,"endTime":1970.542,"body":"lost) in the violence that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1970.609,"endTime":1974.806,"body":"erupted. So yeah. This directly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1970.609,"endTime":1974.806,"body":"ties both to text and politics"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1974.874,"endTime":1979.206,"body":"and interpretation, right? Like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1974.874,"endTime":1979.206,"body":"the Sanskrit Ramayana says that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1979.274,"endTime":1983.403,"body":"Ram was born in Ayodhya, a real"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1979.274,"endTime":1983.403,"body":"city in contemporary northern"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1983.47,"endTime":1987.599,"body":"India. In the Ramayana. Ram is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1983.47,"endTime":1987.599,"body":"the rightful, dharmic ruler of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1987.667,"endTime":1991.254,"body":"what we now call India. Ram"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1987.667,"endTime":1991.254,"body":"became a symbol of proper"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1991.322,"endTime":1995.451,"body":"Indianness, Indianness being"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1991.322,"endTime":1995.451,"body":"utterly and inextricably tied to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1995.519,"endTime":1999.377,"body":"Hinduness. And then political"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1995.519,"endTime":1999.377,"body":"leaders literally called on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1999.445,"endTime":2003.303,"body":"citizens to do religious"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1999.445,"endTime":2003.303,"body":"pilgrimage and service at a site"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2003.371,"endTime":2007.635,"body":"they made controversial, which"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2003.371,"endTime":2007.635,"body":"then (shocking no one who thinks"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2007.703,"endTime":2011.832,"body":"about religion, or nationalism,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2007.703,"endTime":2011.832,"body":"or politics), rather quickly,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2011.9,"endTime":2015.487,"body":"turned into a scene of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2011.9,"endTime":2015.487,"body":"destruction and violence. What"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2015.555,"endTime":2016.3,"body":"did I miss?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2016.7,"endTime":2019.28,"body":"Nothing."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2016.7,"endTime":2019.28,"body":"Except, I clearly missed that--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2020.39,"endTime":2024.2,"body":"that those words are hard for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2020.39,"endTime":2024.2,"body":"you. So I am sorry. *giggles*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2024.2,"endTime":2026.06,"body":"I don't-- I don't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2024.2,"endTime":2026.06,"body":"do the language."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2026.33,"endTime":2028.19,"body":"I'm so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2026.33,"endTime":2028.19,"body":"sorry. But you got it! Well"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2028.19,"endTime":2031.7,"body":"learned, maybe by osmosis, from"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2028.19,"endTime":2031.7,"body":"being near me for all these"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2031.7,"endTime":2034.55,"body":"years. I'm kidding. But that's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2031.7,"endTime":2034.55,"body":"really it! And the only thing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2034.55,"endTime":2037.16,"body":"I'd add for the sake of time--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2034.55,"endTime":2037.16,"body":"and lord knows there's like, 50"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2037.16,"endTime":2041.09,"body":"kajillion things to say about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2037.16,"endTime":2041.09,"body":"this-- is that today, some 30"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2041.12,"endTime":2044.66,"body":"years after that particular"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2041.12,"endTime":2044.66,"body":"incident of the tearing down of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2044.66,"endTime":2051.5,"body":"the Babri Masjid, we see the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2044.66,"endTime":2051.5,"body":"slogan/prayer/mantra, \"jai shri"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2051.5,"endTime":2056.54,"body":"ram\" as a literal rallying cry"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2051.5,"endTime":2056.54,"body":"for Hindutva supporters. And I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2056.54,"endTime":2059.09,"body":"going to link in homework to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2056.54,"endTime":2059.09,"body":"teachable articles on this, but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2059.09,"endTime":2063.11,"body":"in redro-- and, like, readable"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2059.09,"endTime":2063.11,"body":"articles-- but in recent years,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2063.11,"endTime":2066.74,"body":"this phrase, which literally"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2063.11,"endTime":2066.74,"body":"translates to \"victory or glory"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2066.74,"endTime":2071.69,"body":"to Lord Ram\" is a straight up"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2066.74,"endTime":2071.69,"body":"dog whistle. So anti-Muslim"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2071.69,"endTime":2074.78,"body":"violence is at an all time high,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2071.69,"endTime":2074.78,"body":"around the world, frankly, but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2074.78,"endTime":2078.59,"body":"certainly in India, and there"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2074.78,"endTime":2078.59,"body":"are alarming, frequent attacks"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2078.62,"endTime":2083.87,"body":"on Muslims, where \"jai shri ram\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2078.62,"endTime":2083.87,"body":"is the thing that someone is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2083.87,"endTime":2090.14,"body":"yelling, the chant of the mob,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2083.87,"endTime":2090.14,"body":"the comment-section post. This"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2090.14,"endTime":2093.56,"body":"is a phrase that people are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2090.14,"endTime":2093.56,"body":"using, literally in moments of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2093.56,"endTime":2096.65,"body":"violence. So there have been"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2093.56,"endTime":2096.65,"body":"reports of lynchings where the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2096.65,"endTime":2101.3,"body":"crowd is screaming \"jai shri"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2096.65,"endTime":2101.3,"body":"ram,\" \"victory to lord ram,\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2101.54,"endTime":2111.5,"body":"whilst murdering often a non..."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2101.54,"endTime":2111.5,"body":"a non Hindu. So I don't-- that's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2111.5,"endTime":2113.51,"body":"a stone cold bummer. That's a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2111.5,"endTime":2113.51,"body":"stone cold bummer and I don't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2113.51,"endTime":2114.53,"body":"know how to get myself out of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2113.51,"endTime":2114.53,"body":"it."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2114.59,"endTime":2118.16,"body":"I mean, I--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2114.59,"endTime":2118.16,"body":"it's-- religion is politics,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2118.16,"endTime":2121.97,"body":"politics is religion, religious"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2118.16,"endTime":2121.97,"body":"nationalism is disgusting trash"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2121.97,"endTime":2122.9,"body":"wherever it shows up."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2123.53,"endTime":2125.42,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2123.53,"endTime":2125.42,"body":"That was good. You got it."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2125.63,"endTime":2125.96,"body":"Thanks."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2125.99,"endTime":2127.31,"body":"But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2125.99,"endTime":2127.31,"body":"you know what, okay. I centered"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2127.34,"endTime":2129.77,"body":"our stuff on the Ramayana, in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2127.34,"endTime":2129.77,"body":"part because it's dear to my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2129.77,"endTime":2132.92,"body":"heart as one of the very first"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2129.77,"endTime":2132.92,"body":"texts I read in Sanskrit and in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2132.92,"endTime":2138.02,"body":"Hindi, but mostly, because it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2132.92,"endTime":2138.02,"body":"this complex, interesting place"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2138.02,"endTime":2140.93,"body":"to see how a text gets"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2138.02,"endTime":2140.93,"body":"interpreted in ways that maybe"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2140.93,"endTime":2144.2,"body":"we wouldn't expect? 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I'm going to hide SO many"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3391.937,"endTime":3395.679,"body":"things there that you have never"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3395.737,"endTime":3399.364,"body":"heard me say on the air before"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3395.737,"endTime":3399.364,"body":"because Megan doesn't check what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3399.422,"endTime":3401.61,"body":"I write so I could do whatever I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3399.422,"endTime":3401.61,"body":"want."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3401.66,"endTime":3402.2,"body":"It's true."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3402.33,"endTime":3404.91,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3402.33,"endTime":3404.91,"body":"On the Ramayana, you should"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3404.91,"endTime":3407.19,"body":"definitely check out-- if you're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3404.91,"endTime":3407.19,"body":"interested in gender in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3407.19,"endTime":3411.87,"body":"particular-- Kishwar's classic,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3407.19,"endTime":3411.87,"body":"\"Yes to Sita, No to Ram\" in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3411.87,"endTime":3415.59,"body":"classic, equally classic volume,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3411.87,"endTime":3415.59,"body":"Questioning Ramayanas: A South"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3415.59,"endTime":3420.03,"body":"Asian Tradition. 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It's called"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3452.37,"endTime":3453.93,"body":"\"Sita Sings the Blues,\" and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3452.37,"endTime":3453.93,"body":"it's--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3453.93,"endTime":3454.83,"body":"Oh, that's a cute"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3453.93,"endTime":3454.83,"body":"one!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3454.41,"endTime":3456.77,"body":"--a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3454.41,"endTime":3456.77,"body":"four part modern and historic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3456.841,"endTime":3461.347,"body":"retelling of the Ramayana from"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3456.841,"endTime":3461.347,"body":"Sita's perspective. 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The"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3498.967,"endTime":3503.33,"body":"classic there is Ramdas Lamb's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3503.402,"endTime":3507.765,"body":"\"Rapt in the Name.\" It's dated,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3503.402,"endTime":3507.765,"body":"but it's super solid and very"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3507.836,"endTime":3512.199,"body":"readable, if you're interested"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3507.836,"endTime":3512.199,"body":"in, like, accessible academia."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3512.27,"endTime":3516.347,"body":"And if you care about the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3512.27,"endTime":3516.347,"body":"Ramcharitmanas, this vernacular"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3516.419,"endTime":3520.782,"body":"Ramayana, I've got a bit on the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3516.419,"endTime":3520.782,"body":"\"Babri Mosque, Bollywood, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3520.853,"endTime":3525.43,"body":"Gender\" by Tiwari that I'll put"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3520.853,"endTime":3525.43,"body":"up on the website. 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So..."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3551.23,"endTime":3552.97,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3551.23,"endTime":3552.97,"body":"listeners, I want to just both"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3552.97,"endTime":3556.03,"body":"be apologetic and, again, tell"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3552.97,"endTime":3556.03,"body":"you to check the show notes."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3556.24,"endTime":3559.6,"body":"There is SO much on Hinduism"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3556.24,"endTime":3559.6,"body":"that exists outside of India and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3559.6,"endTime":3562.78,"body":"the US. 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So, check those"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3572.29,"endTime":3575.17,"body":"show notes. I've got tons of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3575.17,"endTime":3578.53,"body":"stuff for you if you're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3575.17,"endTime":3578.53,"body":"interested in globalizing your"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3578.53,"endTime":3583.6,"body":"unit on Hinduism. I'll stop"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3578.53,"endTime":3583.6,"body":"there. I will-- I really will"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3583.6,"endTime":3584.11,"body":"stop."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3584.26,"endTime":3584.95,"body":"You sure?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3585.19,"endTime":3586.75,"body":"No,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3585.19,"endTime":3586.75,"body":"I'm not. But I'll stop and I'll"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3586.75,"endTime":3588.79,"body":"just... I'll drink my beer! I'll"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3586.75,"endTime":3588.79,"body":"drink my beer. You go."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3588.03,"endTime":3594.24,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3588.03,"endTime":3594.24,"body":"Excellent. Okay! I have many"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3594.24,"endTime":3598.17,"body":"fewer things to recommend"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3594.24,"endTime":3598.17,"body":"because this is not my area of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3598.17,"endTime":3601.62,"body":"expertise. I will plug, again,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3598.17,"endTime":3601.62,"body":"Kalpana Jain's piece for the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3601.62,"endTime":3606.0,"body":"Nieman reports, where she makes"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3601.62,"endTime":3606.0,"body":"very clear the stakes in the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3606.0,"endTime":3607.89,"body":"international press,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3606.0,"endTime":3607.89,"body":"particularly distinguishing"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3607.89,"endTime":3613.26,"body":"between Hinduism and Hindu"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3607.89,"endTime":3613.26,"body":"nationalism. I also use this Vox"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3613.26,"endTime":3617.7,"body":"explainer video in my classes to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3613.26,"endTime":3617.7,"body":"think about the conflict in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3617.7,"endTime":3620.97,"body":"Kashmir, which we did not get"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3617.7,"endTime":3620.97,"body":"into, but is absolutely a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3621.0,"endTime":3624.84,"body":"conflict around religious"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3621.0,"endTime":3624.84,"body":"nationalism. Duh! I also think"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3624.84,"endTime":3627.27,"body":"you should read our guest"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3624.84,"endTime":3627.27,"body":"experts. I would start with"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3627.66,"endTime":3630.33,"body":"Dheepa's awesome \"Namaste"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3627.66,"endTime":3630.33,"body":"Nationalism,\" which she wrote"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3630.33,"endTime":3633.72,"body":"for Religion News Service, as"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3630.33,"endTime":3633.72,"body":"she is a columnist for Religion"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3633.72,"endTime":3636.42,"body":"News Service, it was also picked"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3633.72,"endTime":3636.42,"body":"up by the Washington Post."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3636.75,"endTime":3639.87,"body":"Shreena's got a ton of great"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3636.75,"endTime":3639.87,"body":"stuff, too. 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