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In addition to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":832.71,"endTime":835.5,"body":"recognizing specific ethnic"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":835.5,"endTime":838.59,"body":"groups, China also explicitly"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":835.5,"endTime":838.59,"body":"recognize five religions:"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":838.86,"endTime":842.16,"body":"Buddhism, Daoism, Islam,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":838.86,"endTime":842.16,"body":"Protestantism, and Catholicism."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":842.46,"endTime":844.5,"body":"It counts those two branches of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":842.46,"endTime":844.5,"body":"Christianity as separate"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":844.5,"endTime":847.26,"body":"religions. 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And then this gets"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":964.94,"endTime":967.76,"body":"complicated by ethnicity and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":964.94,"endTime":967.76,"body":"region, too. Like, religious"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":967.76,"endTime":971.45,"body":"Daoism is technically allowed,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":967.76,"endTime":971.45,"body":"but it's often seen as, like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":971.45,"endTime":974.36,"body":"kind of a rural thing? 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It's,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1136.17,"endTime":1137.85,"body":"frankly, genocidal bad."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1137.97,"endTime":1138.24,"body":"Yep!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1138.29,"endTime":1140.235,"body":"We've"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1138.29,"endTime":1140.235,"body":"talked about Uyghurs elsewhere,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1140.288,"endTime":1143.547,"body":"and in an upcoming episode this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1140.288,"endTime":1143.547,"body":"mega-season, Kristian Peterson"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1143.6,"endTime":1146.544,"body":"will tell us about Islam in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1143.6,"endTime":1146.544,"body":"China, so I don't want to do"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1146.597,"endTime":1149.857,"body":"spoilers, and we shouldn't get"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1146.597,"endTime":1149.857,"body":"too far off the track here, but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1149.91,"endTime":1152.959,"body":"the legal restrictions placed"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1149.91,"endTime":1152.959,"body":"upon Uyghurs specifically..."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1153.012,"endTime":1155.904,"body":"listen! 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Okay. Can I ask an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1184.98,"endTime":1186.0,"body":"obnoxious question?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1186.12,"endTime":1186.45,"body":"Sure!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1187.05,"endTime":1189.15,"body":"Is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1187.05,"endTime":1189.15,"body":"this unique to China? Like, in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1189.15,"endTime":1192.66,"body":"the US, don't we also have to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1189.15,"endTime":1192.66,"body":"have government involvement to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1192.66,"endTime":1193.83,"body":"practice our religion?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1194.88,"endTime":1197.01,"body":"Okay. 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Always be"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1217.88,"endTime":1220.34,"body":"callbacking!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1221.03,"endTime":1225.68,"body":"I cherish you!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1221.03,"endTime":1225.68,"body":"Yes! In episodes 104 and 404, we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1225.68,"endTime":1228.65,"body":"talked about how the US"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1225.68,"endTime":1228.65,"body":"government regularly tramples"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1228.65,"endTime":1232.1,"body":"all over Native land rights."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1228.65,"endTime":1232.1,"body":"That is absolutely about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1232.1,"endTime":1236.54,"body":"religion, AND ethnicity and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1232.1,"endTime":1236.54,"body":"race, AND resources. 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It's a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1440.01,"endTime":1443.22,"body":"little bit to leave you with."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1443.97,"endTime":1446.67,"body":"Uh, IRMF, what do you want to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1443.97,"endTime":1446.67,"body":"leave our nerds chewing on?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1447.39,"endTime":1448.68,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1447.39,"endTime":1448.68,"body":"mean, we've covered a lot,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1448.71,"endTime":1452.13,"body":"and... but I guess, I guess I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1448.71,"endTime":1452.13,"body":"want our nerds to understand,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1452.13,"endTime":1456.72,"body":"truly, that we live in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1452.13,"endTime":1456.72,"body":"nation-states? 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So,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1472.53,"endTime":1475.65,"body":"religions are regulated"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1475.65,"endTime":1480.36,"body":"sometimes heavily in nations,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1475.65,"endTime":1480.36,"body":"which in turn means that how we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1480.36,"endTime":1485.31,"body":"do religion, IF we can safely do"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1480.36,"endTime":1485.31,"body":"religion, has as much to do with"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1485.31,"endTime":1488.61,"body":"where and when we live as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1485.31,"endTime":1488.61,"body":"anything else, and it has"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1488.73,"endTime":1491.37,"body":"EVERYTHING to do with how states"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1488.73,"endTime":1491.37,"body":"function. 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Keep going."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1518.19,"endTime":1520.8,"body":"Yes. You are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1518.19,"endTime":1520.8,"body":"right, and you're smart, and I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1520.8,"endTime":1525.48,"body":"appreciates you. I think I just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1520.8,"endTime":1525.48,"body":"want to encourage our nerds to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1525.48,"endTime":1528.9,"body":"reflect on how legal cases help"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1525.48,"endTime":1528.9,"body":"us understand that we both NEED"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1528.9,"endTime":1531.54,"body":"to be thinking religion, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1528.9,"endTime":1531.54,"body":"that thinking religion isn't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1531.54,"endTime":1535.23,"body":"enough. If we leave economics,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1531.54,"endTime":1535.23,"body":"governmentality, ethnicity, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1535.23,"endTime":1538.5,"body":"regionality out of the equation,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1535.23,"endTime":1538.5,"body":"we cannot understand Chinese"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1538.5,"endTime":1541.2,"body":"attitudes toward Uyghurs, for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1538.5,"endTime":1541.2,"body":"example, or even toward,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1541.2,"endTime":1544.65,"body":"frankly, toward Daoists, who are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1541.2,"endTime":1544.65,"body":"much more accepted in PRC, even"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1544.65,"endTime":1549.27,"body":"as religion itself remains"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1544.65,"endTime":1549.27,"body":"frowned upon. But do you know"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1549.27,"endTime":1550.71,"body":"what turns my frown upside down?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1551.94,"endTime":1552.6,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1551.94,"endTime":1552.6,"body":"don't!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1553.59,"endTime":1555.93,"body":"90s hiphop"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1553.59,"endTime":1555.93,"body":"repurposed for pedagogy. 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I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1564.72,"endTime":1569.28,"body":"want to briefly mention, because"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1569.28,"endTime":1573.3,"body":"we teased it at the top, that,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1569.28,"endTime":1573.3,"body":"you know, religion and law and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1573.3,"endTime":1579.06,"body":"regulation isn't unique to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1573.3,"endTime":1579.06,"body":"China. Duh. And duh, I want"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1579.06,"endTime":1581.4,"body":"everyone to know more about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1579.06,"endTime":1581.4,"body":"India."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1581.419,"endTime":1584.925,"body":"Alright. 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The language"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1608.98,"endTime":1622.24,"body":"undocumented folks from,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1608.98,"endTime":1622.24,"body":"specifically, Afghanistan,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1609.354,"endTime":1612.803,"body":"in the law itself says illegal"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1609.354,"endTime":1612.803,"body":"migrants, but I'm going to use"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1612.86,"endTime":1616.14,"body":"the language of undocumented"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1612.86,"endTime":1616.14,"body":"because I don't care where in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1616.196,"endTime":1618.289,"body":"the world you are, no one is illegal."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1622.24,"endTime":1626.53,"body":"Pakistan, and Bangladesh IF, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1622.24,"endTime":1626.53,"body":"ONLY if, they were escaping"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1626.65,"endTime":1630.76,"body":"religious persecution. 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China does not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1780.75,"endTime":1783.81,"body":"consider Confucianism a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1780.75,"endTime":1783.81,"body":"religion, which, fair enough."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1783.81,"endTime":1787.86,"body":"But the 1893 World Parliament of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1783.81,"endTime":1787.86,"body":"Religions definitely did!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1788.1,"endTime":1794.19,"body":"(Callback to Episode 103,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1788.1,"endTime":1794.19,"body":"Masuzawa five-eva). Sooo, yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1794.73,"endTime":1797.07,"body":"You know what else also"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1794.73,"endTime":1797.07,"body":"considers Confucianism a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1797.07,"endTime":1801.15,"body":"religion, despite its country of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1797.07,"endTime":1801.15,"body":"origin saying, like, it's not?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1801.72,"endTime":1804.33,"body":"Every freaking world religions"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1801.72,"endTime":1804.33,"body":"textbook I've ever looked at"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1804.33,"endTime":1808.23,"body":"before throwing it across the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1804.33,"endTime":1808.23,"body":"room in disgust. So yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1808.35,"endTime":1810.93,"body":"Religion is not a native"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1808.35,"endTime":1810.93,"body":"category, and the fact that we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1810.93,"endTime":1813.66,"body":"keep talking about Confucianism"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1810.93,"endTime":1813.66,"body":"in global religions or world"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1813.66,"endTime":1818.16,"body":"religions classes is, again, a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1813.66,"endTime":1818.16,"body":"legacy of this nonsense"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1818.19,"endTime":1818.85,"body":"paradigm."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1820.77,"endTime":1821.13,"body":"Ow."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1822.0,"endTime":1827.52,"body":"You're welcome."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1822.0,"endTime":1827.52,"body":"Don't pack up your stuff yet,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1827.52,"endTime":1829.38,"body":"nerds! You've got homework."},{"speaker":"Simpsons","startTime":1829.38,"endTime":1830.43,"body":"*What Homework?!*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1832.16,"endTime":1834.56,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1832.16,"endTime":1834.56,"body":"So, listen, nerds. I'm gonna be"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1834.56,"endTime":1838.19,"body":"blunt. I don't know that much"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1834.56,"endTime":1838.19,"body":"about China and law. But I do"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1838.19,"endTime":1841.46,"body":"know quite a lot about Islam and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1838.19,"endTime":1841.46,"body":"China, and I'm not going to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1841.46,"endTime":1843.95,"body":"spoil all the things, but I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1841.46,"endTime":1843.95,"body":"going to give you stuff that's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1843.98,"endTime":1847.76,"body":"focused on that more or less."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1843.98,"endTime":1847.76,"body":"So. I have two pieces, which I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1847.76,"endTime":1852.26,"body":"just said. One is in Chiara"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1847.76,"endTime":1852.26,"body":"Formichi's JUST out \"Routledge"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1852.26,"endTime":1854.72,"body":"Handbook of Islam in Asia.\" It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1852.26,"endTime":1854.72,"body":"called \"Minoritization,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1854.75,"endTime":1857.84,"body":"Racialization, and Islam in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1854.75,"endTime":1857.84,"body":"Asia.\" One of the examples there"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1858.56,"endTime":1860.93,"body":"is India, one of the examples"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1858.56,"endTime":1860.93,"body":"there is specifically the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1860.93,"endTime":1864.23,"body":"Uyghurs in China. So, if that's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1860.93,"endTime":1864.23,"body":"exciting to you, hit me up and I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1864.23,"endTime":1868.07,"body":"will, I will make sure that you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1864.23,"endTime":1868.07,"body":"get that in your hands. The"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1868.07,"endTime":1872.21,"body":"second piece is a chapter that--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1868.07,"endTime":1872.21,"body":"in a volume that we both have"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1872.21,"endTime":1872.84,"body":"articles in, Megan."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1872.84,"endTime":1873.02,"body":"Yeah, we do!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1872.957,"endTime":1874.526,"body":"It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1872.957,"endTime":1874.526,"body":"in Tina Howe's \"Rutledge"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1874.58,"endTime":1877.828,"body":"Handbook of Islam and Gender.\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1874.58,"endTime":1877.828,"body":"My article is called \"Gender,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1877.882,"endTime":1881.13,"body":"Muslims, Islam, and Colonial"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1877.882,"endTime":1881.13,"body":"India,\" and that whole thing is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1879.72,"endTime":1890.61,"body":"That is exciting"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1879.72,"endTime":1890.61,"body":"to me, yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1881.184,"endTime":1884.161,"body":"literally about how law"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1881.184,"endTime":1884.161,"body":"functions in colonial India. So"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1884.215,"endTime":1887.571,"body":"if that is exciting to you, or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1884.215,"endTime":1887.571,"body":"more relevant to the way you're"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1887.626,"endTime":1889.25,"body":"thinking about law, go for it."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1890.67,"endTime":1893.16,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1890.67,"endTime":1893.16,"body":"I've got a few recs on Uyghurs."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1893.16,"endTime":1898.02,"body":"So-- a high recommend to Sean"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1893.16,"endTime":1898.02,"body":"Robert's \"The War on Uyghurs:"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1898.02,"endTime":1901.95,"body":"China's Internal Campaign"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1898.02,"endTime":1901.95,"body":"against a Muslim Minority,\" and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1901.95,"endTime":1905.28,"body":"also, Rian Thum's \"The Sacred"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1901.95,"endTime":1905.28,"body":"Routes of Uyghur History.\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1905.31,"endTime":1909.3,"body":"Super, super smart. I can't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1905.31,"endTime":1909.3,"body":"really think about lots of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1909.3,"endTime":1911.94,"body":"things in Asia without thinking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1909.3,"endTime":1911.94,"body":"about Kelly Hammond's work. She"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1911.94,"endTime":1914.52,"body":"has a great explainer piece in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1911.94,"endTime":1914.52,"body":"the Conversation that I'll link"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1914.52,"endTime":1918.39,"body":"up to, and her book \"China's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1914.52,"endTime":1918.39,"body":"Muslims and Japan's Empire\" is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1918.42,"endTime":1920.07,"body":"SUUUPER good."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1920.13,"endTime":1920.88,"body":"That sounds good."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1921.63,"endTime":1924.0,"body":"Friend"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1921.63,"endTime":1924.0,"body":"of the pod and next season's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1924.03,"endTime":1927.51,"body":"Islam and China expert, Kristian"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1924.03,"endTime":1927.51,"body":"Peterson, has a piece titled"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1927.51,"endTime":1930.9,"body":"\"How 9/11 helped China wage it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1927.51,"endTime":1930.9,"body":"own false 'war on terror,'\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1931.02,"endTime":1934.05,"body":"which is connecting the legal"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1931.02,"endTime":1934.05,"body":"and foreign policy frameworks of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1934.05,"endTime":1938.37,"body":"the United States to China's,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1934.05,"endTime":1938.37,"body":"frankly, genocidal practices."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1938.43,"endTime":1938.73,"body":"Yup."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1939.18,"endTime":1940.53,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1939.18,"endTime":1940.53,"body":"then, I just saw this yesterday"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1940.53,"endTime":1942.9,"body":"in the Wall Street Journal, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1940.53,"endTime":1942.9,"body":"forgive my pronunciation because"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1942.9,"endTime":1947.43,"body":"I... 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I use"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1996.21,"endTime":1999.84,"body":"those just about every semester"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1996.21,"endTime":1999.84,"body":"now. I also use clips from"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1999.84,"endTime":2003.68,"body":"Patriot Act on Chinese"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1999.84,"endTime":2003.68,"body":"Censorship, and this relates to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2003.68,"endTime":2007.22,"body":"the Uyghur genocide as well, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2003.68,"endTime":2007.22,"body":"Last Week Tonight on China and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2007.22,"endTime":2010.07,"body":"Uyghurs, in all honesty because"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2007.22,"endTime":2010.07,"body":"so few of my students are even"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2010.07,"endTime":2013.58,"body":"aware that this genocide is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2010.07,"endTime":2013.58,"body":"happening. So. For folks looking"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2013.58,"endTime":2016.64,"body":"for a pop culture angle into"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2013.58,"endTime":2016.64,"body":"this, I will link to a piece"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2016.64,"endTime":2019.43,"body":"that explains why Disney took so"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2016.64,"endTime":2019.43,"body":"much heat for its live action"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2019.43,"endTime":2022.82,"body":"version of Milan, and especially"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2019.43,"endTime":2022.82,"body":"for filming in the Xinjiang"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2022.82,"endTime":2025.4,"body":"province, where so many Uyghurs"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2022.82,"endTime":2025.4,"body":"are being denied basic human"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2025.4,"endTime":2029.87,"body":"rights by the People's Republic"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2025.4,"endTime":2029.87,"body":"of China. I also suspect that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2029.87,"endTime":2032.54,"body":"many of our Asian religions"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2029.87,"endTime":2032.54,"body":"nerds have a lot more resources"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2032.54,"endTime":2035.03,"body":"to share on this important"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2032.54,"endTime":2035.03,"body":"topic, so please hit us up on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2035.03,"endTime":2037.04,"body":"Twitter, or shoot us an email,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2035.03,"endTime":2037.04,"body":"if there are other things we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2037.04,"endTime":2039.56,"body":"should be assigning to our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2037.04,"endTime":2039.56,"body":"listeners. 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