LabOratory Podcast

Lab Entry #3: Rene and Sam

February 01, 2020 Laboratory Podcast Season 1 Episode 3
LabOratory Podcast
Lab Entry #3: Rene and Sam
LabOratory Podcast Intro
Welcome Introduction
Sam's Story
Rene's Story
Why we are doing the podcast - Rene
Why we are doing the podcast - Sam
Goals for the Podcast
Super Secret Question Intro
Super Secret Questions : Question 1 - Scientific Influences
Super Secret Questions : Question 2 - A Week Off
Super Secret Questions : Question 3 - Most Interesting Thing
Super Secret Questions : Question 4 - Time Travel
Super Secret Questions : Question 5 - Private Concert
Super Secret Questions : Question 6 - Superstitions
Wrapping Up
Sam and Rene Outtro
LabOratory Podcast
Lab Entry #3: Rene and Sam
Feb 01, 2020 Season 1 Episode 3
Laboratory Podcast

In this episode Rene and Sam interview themselves! We wanted to take some time and formally introduce ourselves and explain a little bit more about where we come from and why we are creating this podcast. We talk about who we are, how we met, and interview each other with some super secret questions. 

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In this episode Rene and Sam interview themselves! We wanted to take some time and formally introduce ourselves and explain a little bit more about where we come from and why we are creating this podcast. We talk about who we are, how we met, and interview each other with some super secret questions. 

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Rene:   0:00
Hi. I'm Rene.  

Sam:   0:01
Hi, I'm Sam.  

Rene and Sam:   0:02
And this is laboratory podcast.  

Sam:   0:12
Do you want to do a "welcome to" my podcast?  

Rene:   0:15
Where you gonna put that in from the ones that we have?  

Sam:   0:17
We could do it....What is it?  

Sam:   0:20
Welcome to laboratory podcast.  

Rene:   0:23
Exploring the human side of science  

Sam:   0:25
With recorded interviews of Emeritus and retired scientists on the evolution  

Rene:   0:30
And history of scientific research throughout their careers.  

Sam:   0:41
Welcome to the episode where we describe ourselves and the project that we're doin. The reasoning behind this podcast, on what our goals are with this podcast. And what we hope to get out of it and why we're doing it.

Rene:   0:59
Exactly. So to start, let's get to know Sam. Who are you?

Sam:   1:03
Well, my name is Sam Sewell. I was born in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, just outside of Philly. I grew up in Phoenixville, and then we moved to Devon, and then we moved to Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, where ended up spending a lot of my life growing up, doing basically every single sport under the sun as well as music. My dad played in the Mummers and he played saxophone and he required all of his kids to play music, so I took up the saxophone and then played in every single band that I possibly could be in high school. And I fell in love with theater and musical theater in particular. So when it came time to go to school, I was looking for something that could be involved in in Music and Theatre. But I also is pretty adamantly in sports, So I got on the scholarship to play field hockey at Northeastern, and they had a music industry program, and I figured music industry had something to do with musicals. So I thought that was my best choice at the time. So I I started there and music industry was cool and all, and playing sports was was fun. Um, but what I was really missing was this theatrical outlet that I had grown to love while in high school. So I was pretty interested in doing more musical theater and the dean of the music industry program, Alan Feinstein, was also really interested in musicals he had done, um, the hasty pudding shows at Harvard, and he wanted to get a musical theater group together at school. We didn't really put on anything we met a couple times But we what ended up happening was he had a musical theater class while I was at school, and he brought in writers and directors and people to talk about musicals. And he brought in Nevin Steinberg, who, if anyone knows who that is in the Broadway world, he did the sound design for Hamilton. He did the sound design for Porgy and Bess, He's gone on to do a lot of pretty cool sound designs. But when Nevin came in, he started to tell his story, and it seemed like he was, it was my story. He had grown up playing in these pit orchestras, and he played bass and fell in love with music and musicals and went on to do sound design. So I talked to him and got this inkling of leg. Oh, I could do this thing. Sound design. I wanted to be involved in musicals, so I I was going to intern with him because Northeastern has a Co-op program. When that didn't work out, I ended up interning at the New York Theatre Workshop and the New York Musical Theater Festival in New York, and I was a Production intern at the New York Theatre Workshop, and a Literary Intern at the musical festival. And I met so many people in the industry and tried to get to know as many sound designers as I could and try to get the lay of the land of the short time that I was in New York. And it was really interesting. I met a lot of cool people, and it also furthered my interest in this thing sounds. So I came back to school. I had about a year and a half left a Northeastern, and when I came back, I wanted to be involved in theater, and I had a mentor at the time. Well, he wasn't my mentor at that time. He would go on to become my mentor, But this teacher, Justin Townsend, was at Northeastern. He's a Lighting Designer. He's worked with David Byrne, and he has also done things like Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson. But at the time he was teaching at Northeastern and I went in to go talk to him cause I had gone to some teacher in the theater program was like, I want to do this thing Sound design who? What should I do and how should I get into it? I want to assist. I wanna learn about it and do it. So they're like, Go talk to Justin. I went to go talk to Justin. I sat down and I told him my background where I was coming from and and what I was interested in, and I wanted to do sound design and how could I assist? And he said, Great. We need a sound designer for the Caucasian Chalk Circle. You can do it! Here you go. Here's the book and I was like, What? Who's Brecht? What's this book? And it was the play, and I ended up sound designing that show, not really knowing what I was getting into, but just going into it and loving it, Um, and I Shortly after that, I stopped playing field hockey and did theater pretty much full time from then on, and I would go on to act in shows and build shows, and I got really involved in everything, and I graduated from Northeastern. Then I lived about two years in Boston just doing theater, trying to figure out where my place was, But I always loved this thing sound, but I didn't feel like I was good enough to do any kind of design work outside of school. So I just kept working and working, working and installing sound, getting to know people and ended up moving to New York City shortly after that and I got a gig working for Stomp and I was their sound mixer, which was awesome, because my goal right outside of high school was to work on Broadway, just work in musical theater and work on Broadway, and I got to that point and it was really great. And I was living in New York and I felt like I had made it, but it felt like something was missing. This design aspect was missing this creative outlet that I'd love so much in college. So I then applied to CalArts, which is where Justin went, and two of my friends at the time were going as well. So I ship my stuff all the way to Los Angeles and went to CalArts to become a sound designer into that for three years, and I thrive there and did everything from sound designing, life, theater, thio, movies and animation and I did some voice acting and dancing and kind of took advantage of everything that school had to offer. And one of the things the school really instilled in me was to create your own work, to create your own projects. Get that thing out there that you want to see in the world and go and do it because no one else is going to do it for you. You're gonna need to do it yourself. So I did that for three years, gave it my all, and then I wanted to take a little bit of a break and work on some of my own music and writing and and creating things that I wanted to see in the world. So I ended up coming to Cape Cod, and I spent the one summer in Provincetown working. And then I was asked to play guitar for a show. And on the day that I met with the person I was playing guitar with, she said that she was going to audition for this musical all the way in Falmouth called Fun home, and I looked at her point blank, and I said, "Do you have room in your car because I'm going to come with you." So I we both went. We both got in. And that is also how I met Rene, who is also auditioning for fun home. And she was auditioning for Joan and I was auditioning for a Medium Alison, and we ended up getting the part. And then we met. And then we talked and I got to spend the rest of my time with her, and get to know her interests. And now she's gonna share a little bit about that herself.

Rene:   7:26
So I'm Rene. Francolini. I am currently a research assistant here at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution on Cape Cod. I was always a child nerd, no matter what. I was a nerd when I came to marching band and jazz band and I played way too many instruments. And I was a nerd when I came to the fact that I was the "super cool" girl in Mathletes and Science League doing some weekend math competitions in my free time, so I, I was a stereotypical nerd. Oh, overly ambitious and busy doing drama club and theater in middle school and high school and then in high school. I, um, spent all my summers on Cape Cod working at Wellfleet, a wildlife sanctuary, which is a sanctuary for Massachusetts Audubon Society. And it was here when I got my first taste of doing scientific research. I one summer I got to aid Masters students in counting horseshoe crabs and hoping with Oyster Reef restoration projects. And make sure that Diamond Back Terrapins, which were threatened eternal species, were breeding properly and they could make their way back to the marsh once the little hatchlings had hatched. Um, so there is an entire summer when I was in high school that opened my mind of realizing that I've really wanted to study the ocean and marine world had always grown up loving the ocean and exploring the ocean. But it was that first summer that I had realized, Oh, I could actually do this for a living potentially And so I went back to like my junior and senior year of high school, and I dove into my biology classes and computer science classes. And thanks to one of my computer science teachers, she told me that there was a thing called computational biology. I had no idea what that was. My family had no idea what that was and that I should go look at Carnegie Mellon University. Which I laughed at her. I was like, You're funny. That's where smart people go. And she's like, Rene, you should go to Carnegie Mellon And so I ended up applying and getting in, and it was an amazing place for me because I could continue to be a nerd in all the forms that I had been growing up, I got to do theater. When I wasn't studying science, I got to play saxophone. I got to do outreach. I got to teach kids science. So it was amazing that I could indulge in all of my nerdiness there. So I did. My undergraduate in biological science is there, and my senior year I realized that my minor that I was getting, which was in computational biology, was essentially all the courses needed for the master's students without the fact that I was getting a master's degree. And so I decided to stick around Carnegie for one more year, and I finished up my master's in computational biology, and then I decided I needed a mental break and I came back home to Cape Cod. I worked on an oyster farm. I worked on trying to get jobs and through a wild chance of working on oyster farms and broken legs and connections that I made. I ended up stumbling into a job here at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution and I've been working here for almost three years now as a research  tech. I have been doing environmental toxicology work in the lab, focused on easing zebrafish and killy fishes model organisms to look at how the effects of toxicants on human development as well this fish development. I've been looking at assembling genomes of different bivalves. I have now moved into a new lab working on the Ocean Twilight Zone project, but which is funded by TED. And it's a large WHOI project looking at the mesopelagic zone of the ocean, and that is between 200 1000 meters of the ocean. And I've been working on doing all the genetics were this project. So we look at environmental DNA, which is DNA floating in the water, and you can filter the water, collect the DNA and being able to tell which organisms have been around that general vicinity recently, and therefore we can get a better idea biodiversity and biomass of our oceans without actually collecting the organisms themselves. So I've been doing that for the last three years, and as of this past week, I have officially, submitted different PhD applications because I've decided to go back to school for some crazy reason. So it's been great here at WHOI because in the meantime, I've been able to indulge myself in all my nerdiness. Still, I get to do theatre. I have been doing Community Theatre for the last two years, helping build, set, being in shows. I've been a drag queen and shows I've been Joan in Fun Home, and it's been extremely wonderful being here. And I love the Cape, and it's been very exciting being able to see where this journey has taken us.  

Sam:   12:32
So after we met..... why are we doing this podcast?  

Rene:   12:37
So after we met. We did a show together in November of 2018.  

Sam:   12:44
Shout out to Falmouth Theater Guild!

Rene:   12:46
 We played girlfriends on stage. We became girlfriends. What a shock  

Sam:   12:50
in real life.  

Rene:   12:52
And, um, around this time or a little bit earlier as well. John Stegman, who is the head of one of the environmental toxicology labs wrecked in, was inviting, retired and Emeritus Status scientists to our lab to talk at our lab meeting, and he called it "Conversations With." And they came and they talked about the research they did back in the sixties and going to school and how the methods were completely different. There was somebody who actually called me a newfangled scientist because my degree literally has computational in the title because I use computers to do genetic work and I thought is fascinating and I was sitting there and I was like, I want to listen to these stories And I am an advert podcast listener I often and working alone in a lab. And when you're doing repetitive work on a daily basis, sometimes it's very nice to feel like you're learning something. And so I like listening to storytelling podcasts, and whenever there's a scientist on it, I'm like, I want more just scientists stories and that thought combined with wanting to know more this science history, feeling like as I was in school, I hit so many walls and moments where I'm like my experiments have failed. My motivation is not here right now. All of these other successful scientists discovered this ended this and that, combined with just loving hearing these stories, I was like, I want to record these stories. There are so many people out there who are retired who are Emeritus Status who no longer actively working in the lab who have such amazing stories. And it made me realize that I never really learned science history, and it made me sad that I had never learned science history. I remember learning like Mandela's experiment, and you learned, like basic what we now seem as basic experiments that are taught as textbook fact when you're in, like, seventh and eighth grade and you all remember the same things. But how did we get there? And it opened the store of wanting to know the ins and outs that other folks had to go through to get us to the point where we are today. And so I have been talking about this and this had been going out of my mind, and I told Sam was like "Sam, like I just want to record these like there's so many good stories there. And Sam looked at me with this extremely sassy face. It was like, um, "Rene, we can do this. I am a sound designer." I was like, "I don't know how to record things. I don't know how to do this ." She said, "Rene, stop it. We can do this." So now here we are trying to do this. So

Sam:   15:27
My interest was a couple of things, I wanted to help  record these stories because also being in theater, I really have an affinity towards the human condition and wanting to know more about why we're all here. What are we doing? And I find each human story really fascinating. So for me, this is a really fun project to record these stories and share them with the rest of the world. But also, I want just get to know and explore all these people and where they're coming from, where they're going and ...I Oh, I also remember! There was a pivotal piece of theater that I saw probably about six or seven years ago. It's called Photograph 51 about Rosalind Franklin, and there are points of that story that I remember so vividly, and I had known nothing about how DNA was founded or what that whole story was. But when Rene was talking to me about the people coming in and sharing their stories, I was like, Oh, theater can tell these stories. We can tell these stories. There's a way we can do this and we, actually her and I can do this. This is something absolutely we can do. And if it is anything like my experience in the theater with getting the word out over this story out of what went through all of these people's minds, then of course we should do it. I think it's pretty awesome to hear where people have come from and to shed some human light on to scientists. Because, as the non-scientist, I do see science, The science world as kind of impenetrable sometimes, but getting to know Rene and getting to know her friends and the community has been so enlightening, cause everyone a is so human. And the parallels with theater is, are are uncanny and really wonderful, but it's something that I want to help in share with the world with the skill set that I've developed.

Rene:   17:04
So now that we've actually we gone into why we're doing this And in that hopefully there was some explanation with what this project is. Our goal with this project is to interview. We're trying to reach out to any one who is interested, anyone who's willing a lot of the first handful of interviews. They're gonna be folks based out of Cape Cod, because that is what is easy when we live here, especially when we have a whole community of scientists who have come through Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution as well as Marine Biological Laboratories you have NOAH which is the National Oceanographic Atmosphere Association. You have Center for Coastal Studies, which is up in Provincetown. So between all of these different research centers on the Cape, we have a plethora of people to be able to start with, which is awesome. So while we don't necessarily want to focus on one type of science or one field at the beginning, it might be more oceanographic and marine based than in the future on. That's purely due to our situation of where we live and who have access to

Sam:   18:06
but we're looking for more interviewees  

Rene:   18:09
We're always looking or more interviewees, and it's been amazing finding which connections we can get through other people. You'll notice in the questions that we ask, and in the conversations that we have, that there's a few topics that we want to hit with people that are of interest to us. I like knowing how people got into science. I was born as a kid, going to the beach all the time and throwing jelly fish up my sister when I was five years old and counting horseshoe crabs. So for me, it was always a very clear path of I want to do science. And I think it's always interesting to see how other people got into this field, what directions and pivots and turns happen to get them to be where they are.

Sam:   18:49
Absolutely. I think the stories that people can share give so much insight from where they're going, where they've come from, I think, I think stories like that are amazing.

Rene:   18:59
Yeah, so we have the like, how did you get interested story and then also interested in what, like what were some research stories were some crazy stories of when experiments failed when they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. When you had to take leaps of faith when you had some crazy data  is presented to you that you just couldn't wrap your head around. Kind of this idea that even though science has presented as very curated, fax and very curated data and research a lot of times it's a lot of confusion behind the scenes. And so knowing those stories, I think is it was interesting beyond that, I think that the technological differences are fascinating from 5-10 years ago, to  40 years ago versus now the changes that we seen in technological development and how they can proceed. Science further is mind blowing. And what I was taught in undergrad 8 years ago is out of date now for some topics, and so learning about how they did these processes that I could do with my eyes closed in five seconds, but it took them a week back in the day is awesome, like, I think it's amazing what you get those stories.  

Sam:   20:08
Absolutely. I think it gives us such insight as to how science has progressed and what we can look forward to in the future and how these scientists, over the course of their tenure in science

Rene:   20:19
How they have grown and shaped things and how they've seen the world shaped.  

Sam:   20:22
Yeah, I think another series of questions are more human based. What is the diversity of this group of scientists that they've interacted with? What have they seen? Is there a more of a male female ratio? And also, what was their work life and family life, like,.How do they balance this lifestyle? Because more I learned about scientists, the more it seems like their lives are just as hectic with theater artists, and theaters. P retty hectic.

Rene:   20:48
Science is not a 9 to 5 job. Your science experiments don't care when you need to get home by.  

Sam:   20:53
So yeah, if you're gonna have a family. How does that affect you if you're going out on cruises or if you're traveling all the time or if you're gonna need to, as one scientist did; Go spend three months in Alaska camping and studying seals

Rene:   21:07
 And by cruises, we mean research cruises and not just, like fun party cruises, just saying . You have anything else you want to say.  

Sam:   21:28
 Based on another set of questions will be coming from me. Just trying to explore what exactly these scientists were talking about. So I will occasionally be chiming in being like, "What did you mean by that?"

Rene:   21:28
 Zooxanthellae is not a real word. Can you describe it to me?  

Sam:   21:32
Yes. So I am the active non scientists representing all non scientists in understanding or trying to navigate. What is it we're talking about when we get into science lingo

Rene:   21:44
and I'll try my best to explain topics ones that are biology base will probably be easier for me. Them like chemistry and geology. But I will try my hardest. And we will, uh, at least get to sun understanding of some scientific topics So you can learn about science as well about these human stories as we go.  

Sam:   22:03
That's the goal.  

Rene:   22:04
Little bit of learning, a little bit of understanding.  

Sam:   22:07
lots of fun..and  stories!

Rene:   22:31
Sam and I know each other very well at this point. However, we do want to keep this podcast focused on the interviewees because those are the people we're learning from, and these are the folks that we want to be talking to. However, we wanted you guys to get to know Sam and I as well. So we decided that we were gonna each ask each other super secret questions that the other person does not know what they're going to be asked. And hopefully we'll be able to get to know a little bit more about us in the process.

Sam:   23:04
You want to go first?    

Rene:   23:05
No I don't want to ask first, you ask.  

Sam:   23:09
Okay, I'll ask first.  

Rene:   23:11
This makes me very, very nervous.

Sam:   23:13
Who are some of your major scientific influences?

Rene:   23:18
I haven't had many scientific influences. Growing up. Growing up is me more exploring the world on my own and going snorkeling with my family. And I was at influences in my teachers like Miss Background, who's my computer science teacher in high school. And Ms Roth Lin, who is my biology teacher. Uhm but I never grew up having scientific influences of Oh, this person did amazing research. I never I got my hands on literature or articles like that when I was younger. So perform me is purely like I had heard the name Jack Cousteau and I'd heard the names of Charles Darwin and other late Edison and Tesla like I've heard people's names. But I never had a specific person more influence that I had looked up to. Um, and for me, it's been really interesting then that way, because I feel like I've been exploring a Saigon as well. So when I was an undergrad, I was learning about various subjects, and I like, dip my toe and one interest or another interest. And that's interesting. But that's not for me. But I never really have had scientists that I've looked up to in a professional manner at all.

Sam:   24:47
That's fair. I mean, life is half about experience, is all about experiences.

Rene:   24:52
You want me to ask the question now?  

Sam:   24:54

Rene:   24:54
Okay. If you could take a week off of life to immerse yourself in learning something new, what would it be?

Sam:   25:03
Only a week.

Rene:   25:05
Okay. Like a month. If I could take a month off of life to learn something new. You don't have to do anything else other than learn this new thing.

Sam:   25:14
I would learn the piano.

Rene:   25:16
Oh, and why's that?

Sam:   25:18
Why's that? I I have always wanted to write a musical, and I keep talking about it already knows this, but I growing up playing all these instruments. I never learned how to play an instrument that I could compose with the saxophone. It's not really something you can compose. Withdrawn S o. I would play the piano, and I have been trying to teach myself, um, but I would play the piano for a whole month just so I could get better composing and trying to compose some kind of that musical, or songs.  

Rene:   25:55
All right.

Sam:   25:56
what would you say is the most interesting thing about you?

Rene:   26:00
I would like to think that I'm fairly interesting overall, but of course, when somebody asks you this, you completely blink. Um, I think that I think that there's a few handful of things that are interesting about me. The fact that after a long day of work, I'll happily go home in make very intricate baked goods for eight hours is interesting. I, um, do a shameless plug right here and say, Go follow the bacon biologist on instagram because I make really nerdy baked goods and

Sam:   26:30
go followed the @bakingbiologist on Instagram.  

Rene:   26:34
It's amazing, and so I think that that's interesting. I think the fact that I am a theater loving, extroverted scientist is interesting because at the stereotype, and I am focused on the fact that it is a stereotype that scientists are not extroverts because I have many friends who are. Do you think that there's something interesting about me that I don't think of right now?

Sam:   26:56
I think you are a scientist who is a performer and a baker and a musician.

Rene:   27:03
Yes I play instruments.  

Sam:   27:04
How many instruments to play? 

Rene:   27:06

Sam:   27:07
What are they?

Rene:   27:09
I played the saxophone in our town band here. I play clarinet and play piano, and I play ukulele. And I only played ukulele because I was interning in Hawaii one summer and I decided that the saxophone was too loud of an instrument to play on the beach. So I picked up the ukulele. But yeah, so I think that that's interesting is the fact that I am one of those kids who always had way too many interests, and people said you are going to need to narrow down your interests as you get into college and like grad school and decide what you want to do with your life. And I've seen to have always said no to that, because I seem to still be doing all the things that I did when I was like, 12 years old.  

Sam:   27:46
I think that's very interesting.

Rene:   27:48
All right. If you could live in any period of history, what would it be and why?

Sam:   27:54
Okay, that's really hard, because I feel like if I lived in a name period in history, I would not like it because I would not be okay with how females were treated. What a surprise. And I would kind of rebel, cause I do not like dresses and I would wanna wear pants and I would want to do more masculine type things. But if I had to pick, I would probably hick. It's a toss up because I I have always been interested in, um, America when it was founded and trying to see if anything could have been done about also many things. What how the Puritans kind of took over and just how we took out the Native Americans and said in these politics, been policies. I don't like that and I would want to change that. But I have also been interested in I don't know, like the time of Jesus and to see if that all that went down. I grew up Catholic and just had all these stories. So I would be interested in seeing the way of life and what actually went down around that time.

Rene:   29:04
I'd want to go live with the dinosaurs.  

Rene:   29:07
But how long would you last?

Rene:   29:09
Not very, but it would be fascinating while I was there.

Sam:   29:12
Oh, well, that reminds me. I would also. Yeah. I would love to live in a time before pollution because I'd love to, like, actually breathe clean air and know what it would like. The water was like without all of the pollutants and air and just like wildlife and everything. Um, but I think I think I'll take, like, the discovery of America because I would love to see what this cunt like this country looked like before we started building everything.  

Rene:   29:37
Good choice.  

Sam:   29:39

Sam:   29:40
If you could have a private concert from any living musician, any living or dead musician

Rene:   29:48
that makes it harder. Restrict me to a living musician. Living or dead makes it harder.  

Sam:   29:53
If you could have a private concert from any living musician, who would it be? And why?

Rene:   30:00
So something else that has not come out and all these other questions thus far is that I'm also music obsessed to the point that my family grew up going to New Orleans Jazz test every year. So have a Contra Jasa since I was nine years old and has always I've always been very music obsessed, and there's a few people that have always followed. I think that I think that I have to say Bruce Springsteen, and it's not because I'm a Jersey girl, but she is. But I Oh, but it's because I grew up listening to him and I. The Rising is 2000 32 album, Um, was like the first album that I liked bought, and I loved it, and I had gone to a few concerts by him. But then, in 2000 and six, the year after Katrina hit New Orleans, Springsteen headlined Dressed Us that Year and I went and at that point is my dad and I at the festival, we camped out all day to be able to see this performance and is the most amazing three. Our performance in New Orleans packed audience and we had a bootleg version of that performance for ages, and I still listen to that and I've been to other performances since then in Pittsburgh, New Jersey and Boston. And the reason why I want one from him is because the only concerts have been to have been so big. And I have other artists I love, like Anders Osborne and Trombone Shorty that have been able to be at smaller venues with that, while they were not private and personal performances, they felt more intimate. And Bruce Springsteen is one of those artists that our love I just want to chat with him, like how some good talks with him. He was an artist, too. I always love listening to Clarence Clemons growing up playing the saxophone and his band. And that's what I grew up is my inspiration. And while I didn't have science mentors and like it operations Clarence Clemons and another guilty pleasure, mine is Dave Matthews Band and listening to low there saxophones and all, like the New Orleans instrument that pop up in various artists. So I want to listen to them on a chat with them, too. If that comes with a private performance that be awesome. Absolutely no good, then yes, that would be my answer.  

Sam:   32:17
Good answer. What else you got?  

Rene:   32:19
Do you have any superstitions? And if so, what are they?  

Sam:   32:23
It's bad luck to be superstitious.  

Rene:   32:25
Oh, I see. I got it. 

Sam:   32:29
I don't really have any superstitions. I mean, being in theatre, everyone has their own kind of form of superstitions. There's that whole thing you can't say Macbeth in the theater. Or else you have to, like, turn around three times spit of the shoulder, do low dance. Ah, you can't whistle in a theater. But that's all from the times when sailors used to work the blind sets and you didn't know if a whistle would drop a 50 pound bag of sand on your head. I don't really have any of those, but I am thinking of when I was a kid and I thought that there were live fish in the swimming pools. So I remember going to my first swim lesson and being terrified because I knew that there were little great, said the bottom of the pool, and I thought that prihrana live down there. So I remember being so terrified of my 1st 1 lesson that I wouldn't jump in, and I was so afraid that the little great would open in the prone. It was We're going to come meet me. And that lasted. That fear lasted a lot longer than I care to admit. And I would always be a little bit hesitant about swimming in a pool and sometimes out in the ocean.

Rene:   33:31
Have you got eaten by any prihrana yet?  

Sam:   33:33
No. I haven't gotten eaten by prihrana.  

Rene:   33:35

Sam:   33:35
But I do get a little bit scared. Sometimes on the ocean.  

Rene:   33:39
Good thing you're not the one who has to go on oceanographic research cruises for your job.  

Rene:   33:43
It's true. But I would. I mean, I love that. I'm just I have a little bit hesitant, but I would go.

Rene:   33:51
All right. Well, I don't know how much you learned about us through those questions. You learned something about each of us? You didn't really learn the same thing about each of us.  

Sam:   33:59
But that's the fun of it.  

Rene:   34:00

Sam:   34:01
You learned about why we're doing this podcast. So this has been our episode. Thank you for listening. I hope you learned a little bit more about us.

Rene:   34:07
Bear with us as we start to undertake this adventure and start exploring what this is.

Sam:   34:14
In the meantime, with any questions, comments and concerns, you can reach us that [email protected]

Rene:   34:21
You can visit our Instagram, and we are @laboratorypodcast.

Sam:   34:27
You can visit us online at  

Rene:   34:32
Feel free to email us any questions. Check out the website, learn more about us. And if you have any ideas or comments or questions, shoot us a message. We're happy to have any input.

Sam:   34:42
Or if you're retired or Emeritus Status scientists, please reach out. We'd love to interview you want  

Rene:   34:47
Is your father is one ,or your mother? Or even your favorite aunt?

Sam:   34:51
Yeah. We're looking for scientists in any in all fields to get their stories and understand a little bit more about the human side of science. Yeah, so thanks for listening. Thank you. You want to sign off with anything?  

Rene:   0:00

Sam:   35:05
See you next time in the lab. This has been LabOratory Podcast.

Rene:   35:40
I don't know what to say. Other than bye , I don't know

Sam:   35:45
Make up something!

Rene:   35:48
thank you for listening. This has been laboratory-podcast. Tune in next time and we'll have an interview of an actual senior...No.

Sam:   35:55
An actual senior scientist

Rene:   35:58
an actual scientists. And not just Rene.  

Sam:   36:07
You ready?    

Sam:   36:07

Rene:   36:08

LabOratory Podcast Intro
Welcome Introduction
Sam's Story
Rene's Story
Why we are doing the podcast - Rene
Why we are doing the podcast - Sam
Goals for the Podcast
Super Secret Question Intro
Super Secret Questions : Question 1 - Scientific Influences
Super Secret Questions : Question 2 - A Week Off
Super Secret Questions : Question 3 - Most Interesting Thing
Super Secret Questions : Question 4 - Time Travel
Super Secret Questions : Question 5 - Private Concert
Super Secret Questions : Question 6 - Superstitions
Wrapping Up
Sam and Rene Outtro