See , it seems like there's a lot more students now .
Speaker 2Yeah , I mean getting to see if I don't know how much money you'll make , but if it's just kind of like a side hustle , I just want to do it just for the challenge of you should .
Speaker 3I think it'll be good for the show . Absolutely . I'm not planning on making a bank doing it , but I think it'll be good for this show , for me to be teaching . I think it'll give us more content and stuff .
Speaker 2I can't wait .
Speaker 3I'm going to sharpen my skills Absolutely .
Speaker 2Can we Calgary and we'll give it a shot .
Speaker 3Yeah , I couldn't legally see if I have been Canada Canada though they're nice up there , they'll let you . Justin , here we go . Yeah , there we go , shut me down .
Speaker 2I'm sure I think it shut me down .
Speaker 3Absolutely so anyway now we're on this .
Speaker 1Can you say A ?
Speaker 2Yeah , let's hear your A's A . You want to solo A the .
Speaker 3You could probably teach if it's an American registered plane in another country at a soon .
Speaker 2I don't know , I don't know how to get that in there . I wouldn't imagine .
Speaker 3No .
Speaker 2I don't know , dude Maybe .
Speaker 1I would I think they have different wrecks . Your license , their license would be completely different .
Speaker 3Training in a US airplane . It was a US instructor .
Speaker 1It was a US airplane .
Speaker 3US citizen learning US flight instructor for a US rating . I feel like it might be fine as long as you're not violating any rules . Solo Solo If you have those three items .
Speaker 2it might be okay . I don't know why would we even do that , Because it came up just now .
Speaker 3Yeah , the Canada flight instructor .
Speaker 2Let's make it easy to see . It's cold up there , yeah , especially there , yeah .
Speaker 3Okay Now , what are my steps right now ? This is jumping off from zero to solo student . What should I do right now to get myself ready to actually be an instructor ?
Speaker 1Was the last time you flew .
Speaker 3It's been a while . Well , there you go . Before the show started .
Speaker 1There you go .
Speaker 2Yeah , your CFI is current right now .
Speaker 1Yes , but your skill levels aren't .
Speaker 3Probably If I was in a 150 , I'd probably do it .
Speaker 1When was your last biennial ?
Speaker 3Oh , it was probably 2018 .
Speaker 2Yeah , but your arena and your CFI doesn't that count as a flight review ?
Speaker 3It counts for the hour of ground of the flight review . Okay , not the hour of flight .
Speaker 2Let's just say minimum . Very nice , he's such an instructor , he knows all this stuff .
Speaker 3If somebody out there , if you have , if you're current in your flight review right now and you needed a flight review .
Speaker 1Is that the same thing as a biennial ?
Speaker 3Yes .
Speaker 1Thank you .
Speaker 3I could give you that flight review that I need .
Speaker 1Lee's like I'm gonna pistol with the next guy . He says biennial . So , here's the thing .
Speaker 3You can get your . Cfi and revisit before CFI .
Speaker 2Yeah , so Tyler's right .
Speaker 3So if you get anything that would qualify CFI , the double I , like you say in I did that just because I wanted to brush up on my instrument skills and I was trying to you have your double . I , no , no , no . I was going through it for a little bit and then , when I was trying to apply for a tropical ocean airways because , like I spent six months of my life trying to get it , I couldn't even get an interview I met half the company and had drinks with them .
Speaker 1Now they would hire you .
Speaker 2We can probably solve this . I mean , I think that , okay , we can talk about that later . Okay , the CFI issue , the double I you need to fly . Yes Period . Tyler has a good suggestion . Rob should get a CF double I to both revisit his course . He'll find knowledge and something new . Oh yeah , you didn't even address but that would get you the whole thing .
Speaker 3I feel like I am so far away , though , from the double I you just need to fly .
Speaker 2Yeah , so the flight review you're going to need so much time as daunting , as a first time student would be to me from where I am now getting a double .
Speaker 3I's way beyond that . I feel like .
Speaker 2That's totally cool . So , like I've talked about here , like I took , I hadn't flown GA since like 2017 and it took me like three and a half hours of nonstop takeoffs and landings to be halfway normal .
Speaker 3To do ? What To do the Cherokee ?
Speaker 2I was doing the chat , yeah .
Speaker 3Dr Physics .
Speaker 2Yeah , so Okay , took me three and a half hours and I have like seven work . Yes , nonstop . I don't know how many landings I did 30 , I don't know a bunch .
Speaker 3Oh , I bet you I'd have to go , I'd have to look at my medical , it's probably three and a half hours of nonstop landings , just for them to be normal .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's not the Lee . I know this is a Lee .
Speaker 3If I hopped in Scott's plane on a calm wind day out of 88 Delta ?
Speaker 2So do it . Yeah , you got to start there then .
Speaker 3Yeah , I could I . It'd be nervous because I hadn't done in a while , but I bet you I'd be fine .
Speaker 2Go do it .
Speaker 3I got to check my medical . I'm sure he's got it all duct taped up for you . Yeah , yes .
Speaker 2Yes , extra duct tape Fresh duct tape .
Speaker 3This mechanic was putting fresh duct tape on it yesterday for me .
Speaker 2Hey , how much safer can you feel Duck jugs in the back ? Duct tape on the front .
Speaker 3Yes .
Speaker 2Ready to go . I just just go fly and remember you're not going to be instructing in the 150 . Yeah .
Speaker 3The 172 .
Speaker 2I'm sure which flies terrible compared to 150 . Yeah , most things do yeah .
Speaker 3Why couldn't you instruct in a 150 ? Nobody's doing it . Nobody's doing it anymore . They're all old and nobody else is doing it .
Speaker 2You guys had a nice 150 . I mean and they're just .
Speaker 3I've never seen a 150 . Nice in the one .
Speaker 2They were used so heavily as trainers . They have a billion hours on them and , honestly , the student doesn't learn that much because they're too easy to fly in my opinion .
Speaker 3Yeah , so Scott and I are such bad pilots .
Speaker 2That's what I would say , but Rob had to say it for me . You guys are great pilots , but I want to see that skill level in something that requires skill . You see what I'm saying ? Yeah , you guys have all the elements of high functioning skill and stick and rudder stuff , but I got decent in that Satabria and that's great , and that's great .
Speaker 2So go fly that some more , go fly that , go instruct in that and start getting a 150 . I mean , it's just , I don't know , there's no challenge , that is the least . Or start there , then Start there then .
Speaker 3So that's the least amount of challenge . No challenge . It sounds great . It sounds like a great door to go through .
Speaker 2It would be a good start , but you just , I just wouldn't want you to live there Like I just have a problem with you letting your skills atrophy . You know what I mean .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2I worry about that with myself , Like I don't want to go through that . That transition from you know , not flying GA for five years do that , Six years , Do that again . Like that . It's just like I felt like crap . It's like I have like 1800 hours in this type of airplane and I can't land it . Like that's just very mentally hard for me and I don't want to see somebody else do that . And I don't think putting a ton of time into 150 , I think is , I think is kind of pointless .
Speaker 3Well , I think could have knocked some rust off .
Speaker 2Absolutely .
Speaker 3Yes , easy way for me to yes , but then you got to go do so .
Speaker 2Okay . So is it more effective to go do five hours , three hours , two hours in a 150 ? Then go do another three hours in a 172 or just ?
Speaker 1How much time do you have in a 172 ?
Speaker 3I just look at my logbook maybe 20 , 30 hours , 30 to 50 hours .
Speaker 1I don't know if he hasn't flown in when I'd say do whatever you feel comfortable to start out with , just so you could like Knock the rest off , but I don't think you should , like you said , stay in that .
Speaker 3It's . It's just so convenient because I could , you know , come back in a month or so From Florida and the skies plane sitting there , if I let me fly , wouldn't even charge me . Throw some gas in it , you know , and I could what's ?
Speaker 2what purposes is this gonna serve ?
Speaker 3Just to get something in my logbook and like oh , absolutely do a flight review in it .
Speaker 2It's gonna do that .
Speaker 3Echol , you , or Echol or ten of it .
Speaker 2I hear Echol is really dependable yeah .
Speaker 3Almost as dependable as me he's going to see a game tonight . Let's see some text in the last , super last minute .
Speaker 2Uh Indians game .
Speaker 3I have no idea what kind of what kind of the Guardians .
Speaker 2Guardians it's always gonna be that's what he said .
Speaker 1Finally she steps up . It's the .
Speaker 2Guardians playing a progressive field , isn't that funny ? Well , I'm sure Indians is really frowned upon oh , where you live . Yeah , I love that .
Speaker 3Okay , he knows . Anyway , give a medical yeah down in Florida , come back next trip up here , yep , weather still be nice , yep . And then Get a CFI .
Speaker 2What's the next trip up here ?
Speaker 3Well , I get the transmission , so I'll probably back up beginning of next month , end of this month , to Pick it up .
Speaker 2pick up my car , let's go fly man , some of the best time of year to fly up here
. You know that .
Speaker 3Yeah , scott will need his , his biannual as well .
Speaker 2Everybody's biannual .
Speaker 3Let's just .
Speaker 2I guess let's bring it back me . I need to lean in instead of .
Speaker 1I think you say it enough it will come back .
Speaker 2Maybe , maybe . Yeah , you need time in the seat , man .
Speaker 3Yeah , you get the time you go , bob .
Speaker 2He'd love to lay his life in your hands and his 150 .
Speaker 3Okay , wait , where's he out of them , andrew ? Where , we're , yet when yet .
Speaker 2Well , I did see that , andreas , he's a he's , he's , andreas . Miami .
Speaker 3That's , that's good . You need a biannual jar . Fill up , buy some beer Ten cents every time , I don't know . I think you should Put a coin in the jar every time you don't . Southeast Michigan , okay right around the corner Probably yell to you right now an hour and a half probably drove by his house on my way up to Waco the other day .
Speaker 2I bet you probably do him close . Yeah , yeah , that's hot . I was in Vegas . It was 107 degrees , but listen to this , so I was right now in the 8th the . It was a temperature 3 , 1 dew point minus 1 , 32 degrees spread on the temperature and dew point .
Speaker 3Hmm .
Speaker 1Wow , was dense altitude .
Speaker 2I don't know what it was , thank you .
Speaker 3So Anyway .
Speaker 2Sesson 150 out to get you some time in the seat . Yeah , knock the rust off . I mean honestly , you and Scott can go up . I don't know when his flight review Lapsed , but what I did .
Speaker 3I did I just want to get a flight review . That's usually the easiest way to do it . I Did a flight review with some instructor out of Foxtrot 45 Down in North County Airport down in Florida and it was right after I was and it was insurance check out , never mind .
Speaker 1And .
Speaker 3I just I was in banner plane mode still and so like I Was slipping the 172 in cuz I was a little high because it didn't drop as fast as the banner . But I'm like , just slip this thing . And that dudes face was like yeah , we landed . He's like good , you're good , you're good . Like he knew I was a CFI , wanted to go up with me again .
Speaker 2We still need to like just come in and be like . I don't know anything . A brand new student .
Speaker 3Oh yeah , like the one holding me , like that one driver did the fake is that Jeff . Gordon .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , Jeff Gordon did that . So speak of slips , someone never taught me that .
Speaker 2You shouldn't need to slip . I'm gonna maintain that right now . Okay , go ahead .
Speaker 1Yeah , I needed when I did my check right though he's like do it , I go .
Speaker 3I've never done that , so you told it to you that I never done it , he's all right , let me show you , that was it .
Speaker 1Still pass so nice .
Speaker 3I Don't know if I feel like we did him . Don Showed us those , but I never really learned it until I was banter toned . I didn't have flaps .
Speaker 2There . I mean there's a billion things that I dropped the ball on . I mean there's just no shortage of .
Speaker 1Yeah , but you're solid on that . Power 180 off .
Speaker 2So energy management man cool . If you can do that , you don't need to slip .
Speaker 1It's proud of why you need to slip on your check ride . I don't know , because maybe you didn't really need to .
Speaker 2I don't know , I don't know , I don't know .
Speaker 3Okay , no , no either , you're not gonna be afraid of my flying on the biannual flight review . What are we gonna do on my bad , you know , flight review ?
Speaker 2Takeoff's landings .
Speaker 3That's it . I'm gonna go teach these maneuvers I haven't done . Okay , I think it's the last time I know you that's not part that's , you can go .
Speaker 2So here's the thing if we can make you safe , take off and land . Take off obviously pretty easy , anyway , you can do that , but the landings do that . You can go practice deep turns , slow flight , all you want stalls .
Speaker 3I can't remember the last time I did a stall . We'll go do some then . Banter toes planes didn't stall .
Speaker 2That's what I hear . That's what I hear . So , yeah , I mean you can go do that on your own , though why am I gonna ride along with you doing stalls and things ? You don't need me there for now .
Speaker 1I would do that . I'd say what do you want to learn ? You know .
Speaker 2If we're way more , if I was if I was , if I was doing this by annual . I say okay , I forgot we're doing a flight review , I forgot we're doing a legit flight .
Speaker 1Well , it's first time we're doing by annual . It's not a flight review , we've determined this . It's a by and I might be in Canada .
Speaker 2So it's a . So we're gonna do a flight review , a legit one that I totally forgot we were . I don't know how I spaced on it . We're gonna use deep turns . We're new clean stalls . Take off some landings .
Speaker 3Okay .
Speaker 2That's pretty much my schtick .
Speaker 3That'd be good . I Haven't done .
Speaker 1I concurred , or a stall . I do power 180 , throw that in there too .
Speaker 2I well , I do that anyway , so I don't even need to list it .
Speaker 3But yeah , that's just how I land Lee's gonna try to Lee's got .
Speaker 2I can't wait to see after Scott . You guys do such weird stuff . It's crazy like rewrite the PoH and Well , I'll just put the flaps in at the last five feet , like just so it lands normal , or whatever you guys do oh .
Speaker 3Yeah , you get enough time in a 150 going to grass strip . Not about enough time crank it over , throw those flaps and lots cranked over . You do all kinds of stuff . It's not the PoA , it's cool .
Speaker 2I get all that , but it's be stabilized . What is that like Exactly ? Well , that's why you don't have a job at . Tropic Ocean Airways .
Speaker 1It's cuz you guys think like a stabilized approach was , it is , wasn't , it wasn't in his teaching style , but then but it changed though , because I remember later on you said hey , you start talking about this after you have my , I have my private , might even been in my instrument , and you start talking about state , like I found this new thing stabilized approach , stabilized approach . And then that's what everyone was teaching stabilized approach .
Speaker 2I don't know so much that I found it , but the pride like think I mean stabilized just your parallel and ILS , which is pertinent on a Instrument rating yeah it's just difference . I focus so much on safety and being able to manhandle an airplane to get it Do what you want it to do on a private , and the instrument is just more Finesse . I don't know Wow .
Speaker 3Okay , I Just I think it'd be fun . We gotta get . I meant to be at this trip . We'll do it this week . I'm gonna go buy a recorder and get the . So we got the wire for the recorder to keep Scott's plane Always recording . Okay , I just got to go get like a 3.5 millimeter Jack .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 3Remember record or something from staples if they still sell them or order on Amazon hook up .
Speaker 1You're probably better off going Amazon .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2You should .
Speaker 1I got a bachelor party . Go to sorry , I'm driving .
Speaker 3Sunday .
Speaker 1Sunday , sunday I'm flying the islands . I'll be there .
Speaker 2Okay , Sunday Sunday but it's not a 150 . Are you a comfortable with that ? It's not a sesame 150 . You won't know what I like King airs and .
Speaker 1Now , if you could get , let's see if you go on if you go on 60 right 75 if you go on , if you go on Friday , you could do . You can fly the island , so that could be your lesson you can Fly the islands , do the mail .
Speaker 3Okay .
Speaker 1Friday wonderful .
Speaker 3Let's do it , you fantastic .
Speaker 1All right , I'll take Lee , cuz he promised me when he goes oh , you gotta come back with me , we'll fly the mail together . Never saw . You said oh dude , I'll take you to island or we'll do the mail .
Speaker 2Never calls me this was when he was flying . I don't remember any of that . Yeah , it happened .
Speaker 1Let me down .
Speaker 3Yeah , I guess with an app called flight link you can record in flight audio for free . Look into that . I got the kind of setup just a Shouldn't even app . Trying to get Scott Boris to use an app regularly to set it up . I don't know if that'll be good . Does he still have a flip phone ?
Speaker 2Oh , no , he's great . We're just a little bit . Just a little bit from a flip phone , yeah where is he ?
Speaker 3Yeah , I found five , I think yeah .
Speaker 2I thought , I think that app is probably not supported on the iOS that he's running .
Speaker 3And then yeah , tyler's got another request for Scott flying into Bravo , so somebody's got to do a lesson with Scott Boris flying into Probably Detroit . We determined .
Speaker 2Why ? Why Detroit ?
Speaker 3we did that one .
Speaker 2Oh , yeah , yeah , he's flying out of Detroit , right , Right it was kind of funny , oh man , oh Cleveland Hopkins . I think Detroit be more it will be so hard for me to just let it , just I don't . I don't know how I would handle that , just letting it just kind of like Letting the controls I can't I can't can't let that happen .
Speaker 3You'd have to like Just has Scott , be like PIC .
Speaker 2Absolutely .
Speaker 3That's the only way not call it a lesson . You're just an informed passenger . Yeah and just at some point you may have to take over as the passenger .
Speaker 1So we should start taking bets . Will they deny ? Will they deny , I'm going into the class Bravo , because once he makes that contact and he starts talking , they're like no , we're not letting you turn around , you're not , you're not coming in . You think that's possible ?
Speaker 2I .
Speaker 3Just think this would be great audio . I was saying , throw GoPro in there , it's like sure .
Speaker 2Yeah , I know I need . I need to go pro . I always wish I had a GoPro for some of the I .
Speaker 1Had one for a while .
Speaker 2I really want one , but yeah , no , I . They could probably , if they like , get a good read . Like he does not know what's going on , why , why , don't I okay , just that I can't hear . You know why . You see is with my .
Speaker 1I know I had a 360 camera Mm-hmm so then I could see we'd go back and review and you could see where they were looking and you could see where they were Landing . So that was oh , that's a good teaching yeah , yeah , right .
Speaker 2I know you always talked about wanting to do that . Yeah , I did do it . I had finally .
Speaker 1It's sad , it's sad on the , so you would start it .
Speaker 1So if they went out , the solo , especially when they saw , I did almost , I think almost all their solos . So what I would do is , when I got out of the plane on my phone I would turn it on , start recording and it would record onto a SD card and it would just keep going as they were flying . Now that I used to have there was I Think it was called in flight and think it may go pro , bought them out , but this one would actually tell the airspeed , the altitude , all that other stuff , and it was just a straight on like lipstick camera that would record when people were flying . But then I ended up throwing the 360 camera in there . But it would , once you got it down , he would download it and you would just move it . I , you know the the mouse around and it would show . You know , you could see like where they were landing , where they were touching down at , where their eyes were focusing on , so you could see that and then you would also have audio .
Speaker 1So .
Speaker 3Lee says he doesn't look down the runway when he's landing . Really , yeah he says he understands that's how most people do it , but he said he just has never done it that way .
Speaker 2Huh which I found fascinating .
Speaker 3Where do you look ? I always look very like , yeah , you look down at the very end , because if you don't let .
Speaker 1You have a tendency to land Like you don't hold it off . So if you're looking too short , you have a tendency to put it down at a greater speed in which you know you could bounce . Or you know or take back . If you pull back too much , you got enough energy that you're gonna go back up in the air anyway . So yeah , if you look down the runway , you have a tendency to be able to let that airspeed you're . You're holding it off and you're able to touch down .
Speaker 3So that's weird he does that I have to ask him about it when he comes back out . All right , catch you up in the chat .
Been always set up and only fans for Scott and live stream . Pretty sure that we'll get some lannies . Yeah , one strategy .
Speaker 1Yes , scott could say student pilot with endorsement If he's in . If he's not , because he has a student pilot without endorsement , you can't fly into a Bravo .
Speaker 3Are they gonna ask for the endorsement though ?
Speaker 1Well no , if he says student pilot , then they're gonna say why are you doing here ? He'd have to say student pilot with endorsement .
Speaker 3Okay , so for him to use yes pilot .
Speaker 1Yeah , if he threw the student pilot out , scott in a Bravo . It came up with that , not without an endorsement , so he'd have to say student pilot with endorsement . You know how he says student pilot all the time yeah , that's what he says .
Speaker 3It was getting a phone number to call . I feel like I .
Speaker 2Don't see how he's not , but I don't know he's got this skill like I mean he can read an altimeter . I mean so as long as he doesn't bust it initially .
Speaker 3Yeah , they're just gonna hate him .
Speaker 2Probably not gonna be happy . Delta hub , spirit hub .
Speaker 3They put the .
Speaker 2Six runways .
Speaker 3Thank you . Thank you , ground crew . Is that's gonna cover the landing fee for that operation ? What landing fees are there at Detroit for a single engine system ?
Speaker 2if you just do it touch and go , I Don't know if you're gonna get anything . I don't know really Either way . I don't know 50 or $100 .
Speaker 3So I feel like that's . We've been talking about it for so long . It's still worth it .
Speaker 2Yeah , I , yeah , I don't know , I think we land .
Speaker 1I did land Detroit last year but I can't remember what the fee was .
Speaker 2Did you touch and go we ?
Speaker 3pick someone up signature , signature . Yeah , you know , saratoga .
Speaker 2Like Detroit Metro Okay .
Speaker 1Yeah , I can't remember what the price was .
Speaker 2Well , yeah , I mean so many things from the actual FBO . But if you do a touch and go or a taxi back to us , a Full stop taxi back , and then take off again , I don't know if you're getting a bill , like all the airport use fees people talk about . I don't know . I've never seen one .
Speaker 1No .
Speaker 3Burke Lakefront used to charge five bucks every time .
Speaker 2And they just send it to you in the mail . They look up the registration , send it to you .
Speaker 1Yep , what I touch and go .
Speaker 3No , I was going in there for yeah , I think it's 10 less , no , it's 10 . Okay , all right , so walk me through stalls . You know you're gonna reteach me how to do a stall on my my annual flight review , with league riffing and Scott system 150 Landing . I kind of know , jeff can reteach you but he went to .
Speaker 1Scott , he went to you .
Speaker 3We're doing Power on or power off .
Speaker 2I'm the flight review . Yeah , power on , or Typically power off .
Speaker 3Okay , we're just bringing it back till we hear the horn . Bring it back .
Speaker 1No , no , you don't . You don't do the horn now .
Speaker 2Yeah , probably the first sign of a stall .
Speaker 1Yeah , first sign of stall .
Speaker 2It's all about Stole awareness where ?
Speaker 1yeah , so they want you to feel the buff at the tail shaking .
Speaker 2They want you to recover before the full on stall so you retain controllability .
Speaker 3Okay , I think that's what I always did with Don anyway .
Speaker 2Yeah , for the most part , we are we're here the stall .
Speaker 3Sometimes he wanted me to . That was more recovery .
Speaker 2Yeah , sometimes it's nice to show get it deep in the stall , but I mean you want to avoid this tall .
Speaker 3Yeah , what else we do in turns around a point you said steep turns , steep turns .
Speaker 2Yeah , just keep that scan going . It's more of a performance from maneuver .
Speaker 3I gotta keep it the same altitude . Yes , that's the hard part of steep turns .
Speaker 2Yes , it is same airspeed . I've done some steep turns .
Speaker 3Not worried about my altitude .
Speaker 2Well , yeah , but you need to maintain the altitude near speed .
Speaker 3I always felt like you could crank it over a lot more if you weren't concerned about the altitude maintaining altitude .
Speaker 2They were saying that you don't look at the runway when you land .
Speaker 3Oh , yeah , yeah . Good , who was saying that ?
Speaker 2I was saying that people , people at the other time . No , I look close in , I don't look way down .
Speaker 3Okay , I I still think that's weird .
Speaker 2Well , and maybe it's subjective , how far down do people normally look ? Are they looking like at the horizon ? Are they looking three thousand three hundred yards down the road or down the runway , like what is down the runway ?
Speaker 1I look towards the end .
Speaker 2I don't do that .
Speaker 3I probably look 300 yards ish 3 400 .
Speaker 2I just said 3 400 yards yours .
Speaker 3Yeah , like that was so much I know . Yeah , I mean , I'm thinking , you do the same thing I do now .
Speaker 2No maximum , I know . No , I was just throwing that random number out there , which is weird that you kind of doubled down on it .
Speaker 3I was thinking about . You had said in yards , I'm thinking football fields , and then yeah , like three football fields . I'm like , yeah , that's kind of probably what . I do .
Speaker 2So probably not , because when you land at Hind , you don't have that many foot , that many feet to begin with you probably look at the billboard .
Speaker 3I'm looking at the end at the billboard once Wendy Wendy sign was gone , it threw off my Landings ever since . That Wendy sign on route to . That's how I gauge my whole landing structure there and they , they stop . Sponsor in the billboard . Don't use landmarks , everybody .
Speaker 2It's bad idea . Period Anything , anything aviation based other than like navigation that's on a sectional chart . Don't use landmarks .
Speaker 3Is that what a gradient is ?
Speaker 2What is he talking about ? I don't see it . The last one .
Speaker 3Has a gradient good .
Speaker 2Yeah , absolutely yeah , cuz if you think about it , it's just sending away from you or it's coming up to meet you . Yeah , if it's just sending away from you , those are , those are the hardest you ever landed at Wheeling ?
Speaker 1It's almost like it's like a bowl . It's like when you're coming in , when I can't which run away it is , but you come in and it's like you're going downhill . Then you're going uphill at the very end . So that really throws you off .
Speaker 3I saw this runway . It was a jet taken off on Twitter of Burnsville Mountain Airport , which I'd actually spent a few days in Burnsville last year . Buddy's aunt lived there , okay , and it's like the runway is Looks like a wave .
Speaker 2What's the identifier ?
Speaker 3I don't know . Look up Burnsville Airport , burnsville what ? Burnsville Mountain Airport , I think it was . What state is it in ? Oh , north Carolina .
Speaker 1Okay , yeah , sorry , burns always remember going around as a sign of weakness cornetiler .
Speaker 3That's what Scott Boris Scott worse never goes around .
Speaker 2He's not making it tonight .
Speaker 3No , I saw that text message .
Speaker 1Hence the reason your sister is here .
Speaker 3Yes , thank you for filling in Halle .
Speaker 2Yes , thank you .
Speaker 1Not a problem I .
Speaker 3Do need more . I only had one white claw and we're already a A while at me yeah .
Speaker 1I actually have to say I'm surprised that you Advertise that you drink like .
Speaker 3I this is the first time I've ever drank white claw in here , so I thought it was like a monumentous occasion that should have been documented .
Speaker 1You can go grab a mom water .
Speaker 3I do a mom .
Speaker 2I'm a mom . Water no .
Speaker 3I don't need the Nancy anymore today .
Speaker 1She's not like Scott . She's attacking Robin at you , lee .
Speaker 3I know that's easier .
Speaker 1There's more yeah that's true , because you only never got her in the plane to go up in there , you just yeah you know , give her the white board the boring white board .
Speaker 3Yep , all right , you guys hold this down while I mix up a captain coke .
Speaker 2Yeah , dude , or a code and coke , whatever . I'm gonna be quiet here for a second , but I'm I'm getting some .
Speaker 3Okay , hallie can just ask questions about Saturday's lesson or Sunday's lesson .
Speaker 2Sunday's lesson . Okay , what are we starting with ?
Speaker 1We are going to start with oh so .
Speaker 3Which island are we going to ? Which Do ?
Speaker 1they have good beaches . Uh , no beaches . I'm trying to think , oh , kelly's Kelly's has a beach down there . I'm trying to think who has this point in bay ? I don't think so .
Speaker 1They have a little bit of one , a little bit of one , but we're not going to see that . We're just going to say here's a male and we're going to unload the mail , and then we're going to go , and then we're going to go to the North Bass and there's going to be like maybe what ? Three people live on North Bass and we're going to go to their post office , which is a little .
Speaker 1Which is a shack , which is a shack , and we're going to put mail in the box and then we're going to pick up the mail . Are they like right at the airport ? Oh yeah , it's right at the airport .
Speaker 2Yeah , like they get the post office keys .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And you have to open their box like you're a post office person .
Speaker 1You're employee .
Speaker 2And yeah , and you stuff it in , and yeah , Even for Kelly's .
Speaker 1No , no , kelly , someone meets us . Yeah , just North Bass .
Speaker 2North Bass , the only one without a postmaster .
Speaker 1Yep , and that's what we're going to do . But for your lesson we're going to go over . I'm just going to start out . I'm going to show you what , like these are the errands , these are the rudders , this is the flaps , this is kind of what they do . And I'm going to show you the six packs instrument and I'm going to say here's what each one of these instruments do . And then we'll go through . There will be a checklist there and I'm going to go through the checklist and say this is how we start the plane , this is how we go . And then I'm going to say okay , I saw an airspeed . The plane is going to want to lift off and we're just going to go and we're going to pull back . Just grab . It probably trimmed out just enough that it just had 16 knots . It's just going to lift off in there .
So is there anything that I could do to prepare for a first lesson ?
Speaker 1Yes , you could get online so the lesson would be in an archer , so you get the whole setup and you could do like some air flying . You could do some chair flying where you just sit there and kind of look over . Okay . Well , this is all timid air , this is what this does , this is what this does , and learn what those items do . Oh , here's my yoke . So what does my yoke do ? Well , it works my elevator and it works my ailerons . And then where's my rudders ? Well , that's going to be my foot pedals . Well , in the archer , that also on the ground , that's what steers us . It's not the yoke , it's going to be . I don't think there's anything that a yoke steers . Is there what ?
Speaker 1do you mean In the jet , does it the jet ? The yoke doesn't steer on the ground with it . No , so the rudders for the archer itself , they're going to steer like a diamond 20 . You would have brakes , your the brakes steer it , because Swivel front wheel .
Speaker 2Yeah , swivel front wheel Full cast ring front wheel .
Speaker 3Full cast ring front wheel , also known as a swiveling wheel .
Speaker 1Yeah , we're going to go with swivel , just like by annual . So , whatever it really says , we're going to the exact opposite . So , yeah , so you could prepare and then actually , as one of my students I would already have a I would give you a thumb drive that would have a list of like videos and a lesson plan , and then the lesson would say go to this , here's some videos you could watch your first lesson . That would help you , you know . So , whatever lesson I gave you and , like I said , that ASA whiteboard stuff , it would actually have the lesson right out there . I would give you a link on that thumb drive . The link would have articles that you could read that are online , and also videos you can watch .
Speaker 3So that's very professional .
Speaker 2That seems pretty legit A thumb drive . A thumb drive . What do you got ? I don't even want to talk now , but no , no , no , but here's the .
Speaker 1here's the story . One man asked me . Another CFI says hey , I got a student that's having trouble with communication . They wanted to use my flight sim that I have , so I'm going to do one better . I went with the Lee communication script that he gave me as a student that I would use with my student . Lee had made up this script that gave you every possible snare . If you're going into a Delta , if you're going into a Charlie , if you're flying from Portland to Sundusky , what you would say and it'd be like this person as a pilot , you would call this off 6 , 9 , 1 , 9 whiskey departing . And this was all done by Lee . So I gave this to another CFI and it still has Lee's communication on it .
Speaker 3Where is this thing ? We should do like a whole episode on this . It's got every single possibility .
Speaker 1Well , not everything , but it's the stuff that you're going to need flying in this area and what you're going to say and like it would even have , like if you went to Mansfield . Here's what towers going to say . Here's what you're going to possibly say back to tower , things like that .
Speaker 3Oh yeah , we need to recover this document for a show you know what Lee can , lee can .
Speaker 1I think it's in an email . Oh man , this would be fantastic .
Speaker 3I was going to say we could let Lee update it for a little bit .
Speaker 1But if you've got the raw copy , let's just roll with that live I did it in the format of the old instant messenger .
Speaker 2We had like red and blue for the different people . It did Remember that , yes yes , red and blue for who is talking versus .
Speaker 1This is very creative .
Speaker 2Oh , let me see where I did with that that's the hardest thing we've talked about and highlighted so much . People are afraid to talk to ATC and just this communication is such a hurdle for people and it's like it's just another person . But if you can , if you can get down the expectations , if you could come blazing into somebody's airspace , you're going to have like a don't leave a couple of different correspondences possible , like they're going to clear you in , they're going to tell you not to come in . It's like , and how's that going to go , which I never really addressed . If they don't clear you in , but what's the likelihood of that ? If not , you go over there and hold , if that's your destination airport .
Speaker 3Color coded . Oh man , let's do an example . What is that ?
Speaker 2Hold on , let me read that before you .
Speaker 1It says Lee's communication . This is from 2010 . Wow , oh man .
Speaker 2So I even have the cloud clearance and visibility requirements for class Bravo right there .
Speaker 1See , that's legit Yep man .
Speaker 2You . That's exactly cause this is still 438 Sierra . Yeah , you approach controller , you approach controller .
Speaker 3You .
Speaker 1We've got an official call sign for the show now .
Speaker 3I don't know if you heard that . What's that it says ? We're always worried about using bad tail numbers or saying tail numbers . We shouldn't say we have I reserved 151 , 151 whiskey whiskey . That's the official tail number of the show .
Speaker 1now All right , let me find one here we can go over Is this what we want to do right now .
Speaker 3You want to go over . I kind of like in this direction Okay .
Speaker 2Which what ?
Speaker 1Let me find an easy one , okay .
Speaker 2That's fine , go ahead . People like they're just your brother and Scott included , they don't want to talk to ATC and so , like when you look at the map airspace , you know it's a two dimensional piece of paper that they have to show three dimensional airspace on . So there's like these rings and people go way out of their way and fly around them . When they could fly under them or if they wanted to talk to air traffic control , they could just fly through them . But you have to be confident and and know kind of what you're doing , what the expectations are for everybody , and it would save you a lot of time Potentially .
Speaker 3I've become more comfortable with ATC be the tower airports , so what a good classic .
Speaker 1So when I was learning this , I was still on Sunoski fire department and I would have we were in the ambulance . I remember we're going back to station and I would have someone give someone a script and they would , because as you came in the station it was almost like you were going downwind base Final . So then , like I would call those and they would make sure I was doing it right , you know I would call , I would call out and that it was awfully skipped .
Speaker 3But here's thinking someone on the gurney . Like distract them from their pain , like here .
Speaker 2Here's going into I'm going to Delta .
Speaker 1You , good morning Burke , lakefront Tower . Warrior for three eight Sierra , tower controller this is controller talking out or three eight Sierra , lakefront Tower . You , lakefront Tower were four , three eight Sierra , six miles West , 1800 feet . Vfr inbound information . Romeo were three , three eight Sierra . Proceed inbound . Call two miles out . Call two miles out were three , 38 , three eight Sierra . Lakefront Tower were three eight Sierra , two miles West , where three eight Sierra make straight in . Six are apprentices right hand runway clear to land , clear to land . Six Right warrior three eight Sierra . Be mindful of which runway they had cleared you to land , in parentheses , on Tower . Now you're over to get our again . Warrior three eight Sierra , turn right on . Next text remain as frequency say stay parking right . Next Textway , this friction j G a ramp . Warrior three Sierra were three Sierra . Taxi to G ramp via Via textway golf . Like he went in depth and this was a correct . Yeah , this is a Lee original document . I .
Speaker 1Mean should I send it so you can put this up on Jesus please ?
Speaker 3don't , you could post . You got an account on it ?
Speaker 2No , don't
just .
Speaker 1There's so many things good , though that is like I gave that to someone that we should have had .
Speaker 3The last episode where we were doing the ATC stuff .
Speaker 2Yeah , well , that what .
Speaker 3Or two episodes , I wish I could have had that one back .
Speaker 2That was just it's not super practical of what we were trying to do . I mean it was practical . We were trying to do an application , not great . This is just a Very vague template of like the different scenarios that could come up . It's not that hard . That's what I try to . People have all this anxiety about towered fields and whatever . It's the same exchange every time .
Speaker 3But , we should , but how ?
Speaker 1but how the script ? How the script ? They do have apps for that already were well , so that's obsolete .
Speaker 1Yeah , but it wasn't at the time . But no , still it worked out good because , like you give it to your , your wife , girlfriend , whoever , and they could be the part of air traffic control and they had it , they knew what to say , and then you would say it I think it's plain English , is the app where you know , you talk to it and it it'll tell you if you said it correctly or you know . I'm pretty sure that's the app .
Speaker 1But anyway , but with least thing you would get someone , like I said , someone on the ambulance that was driving , not the patient would they would read back you know they would be the part of air traffic controller and that's how I was able to learn and that's that would have been on the thumb drive for your first lesson Would have been okay , and it was actually lesson one , radio communication , something here . Of course you wouldn't be doing radio communication your first few lessons , but Least you'd have something you could study at home and you could practice 100% .
Speaker 2That that was the point . That was the point I mean it doesn't cover every other . Yeah , at the time .
Speaker 1It was not a still good , did you ever use that , like when yeah , I used to with my state . It's in my lesson . It was in my thumb drive for my lesson plans . I would give it to my students .
Speaker 3Okay , so how many students is now then through ?
Speaker 1you .
Speaker 2Even and , as a partial , I have achieved immortality .
Speaker 1And don't forget last week another instructor who never even met , lee . Use that with their students .
Speaker 3Oh man , this is .
Speaker 1Legendary legend flight legend .
Speaker 3Yeah right Island's flight legend . Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2Yep , and now I'm afraid of thunderstorms .
Speaker 3Oh man , oh , those are scary .