After a career in corporate and nonprofit communications, Suzanne Munson went back to her first loves of teaching and writing about colonial America. In 2018 she published the book Jefferson's Godfather the Man Behind the Man: George Wythe, mentor to the founding fathers. Her 2021 book The Metaphysical Thomas Jefferson is the focus of this episode. The book is a transcription of interviews with Thomas Jefferson's spirit as channeled through the medium Jana Ana. The book has Jefferson commenting on his own life and his thoughts about the current state of politics and media in America. Whether one is a believer or not there is much to be gained from listening to Suzanne talk to Billy via Zoom about her interest in history, the spiritual world and how this book came to be.