On this episode, Indie chats with Jules Von Hep, Founder of the self-tanning line Isle of Paradise. Jules discusses how he got started in the industry, the importance of body positivity and inclusion, and how the two intersect.
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Welcome to coming clean with Indie Lee a podcast series about living with passion, acting with purpose and being fully present. I'm your host, Indie Lee. On today's episode, I have the honor of sitting down with Jules bond hap. Jules is the founder of isle of Paradise self tanning products. He's a podcast host. He speaks on body positivity and he is just amazing. I cannot wait to dive in so you get to learn more about jewels. They have the pleasure of interviewing Jules Vaughn. I really believe we were related in a different life or somehow because you came into each other's life through the beauty industry. We did a live together. Jules is the founder of island paradise, which are self tanning drops which are amazing. More than that.
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He just had this connection. And I feel like I get to have a conversation. For me this morning for you this afternoon with my soul friend. It's the weirdest thing. So I thank you, Jules for being on here with me. Oh my gosh, it's such an honor. And while we just touched on that term, a soul friend, and now I think there's a thing called soul contracts. Now, tarot reader once explained this to me in Byron Bay, Australia. And if you're, if you're listening to this, you're like, wow, we're going there. Quick. Yeah. That's how I that's how our chat goes. And, and basically, it says that in live in, sometimes you can have parallel lives that run like this, and they'll bond in and out like this. And it'll go in between each lives in each stages. So we probably have a soul contract where we'll just meet in different lines. I love that. Yeah. Okay, that makes sense to me. And yes. So, for those of you who've been listening to the podcast for a while
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You know that you know, in my first ones I introduced you guys to me and then I am on the woowoo side. And then the last two weren't as we were last few we're having in this room, but we're going back to my woowoo side because I am with jewels, and this is totally going to be there.
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Because that's our connection to each other, and I guess, has been our connection to each other for many lifetimes, which is amazing. And for those of you who go Wait, like so, how long have you guys been talking? in this lifetime? This is our third time. And the first one was just like okay, yeah, we're gonna do a live together. So this is really so cool. so surreal. So syrups I'm just so excited about this. And I'm really excited to share your journey not just as a founder of a clean self tanning line, but your role within speaking up about body positivity. I mean, you're also a podcast host. You are somebody who really
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walks the walk and talks to talk and are trying to lift other people up to be more confident in themselves in the body. They're in the soul they're they're connected with and so thank you.
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You're welcome. Like it's It is an honor to be here and I'm really really excited about this conversation. Yeah, so tell me how did this all get started? Okay, were you more body positivity first Then did you fast you I know you were a tan expert or
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technologist Is that what you call yourself? No, I was a ton. Excellent. So my career it all kind of everybody everything journey. So
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I, I studied fashion at university and because that was literally the only industry that I could think of when I was leaving school that was like, vaguely creative, and I was interning and I met the CEO of a big Tom brown on the stairs.
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This PR agency that I was interning in, and I walked past her and I was like, I love your shoes. And she was like, Who are you?
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kidding? And she said, Where are you from? And it turns out that where the office was of this brand I, my parents lived an hour away from and so she said, Do you want to intern? So I was like, Yeah, absolutely. I've got nothing to lose. And that was my first real step away from fashion and into beauty. And, and I became so obsessed with the beauty industry. I've always been obsessed with using my body as a canvas to create a look or a trend. I think, as a creative there is that moment in your day, when putting yourself together is part of your creative process. And it's part of the start to finish which I really really enjoy. I always
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I always used to say to my friends before we go on a night out I'd say you know my favorite bit about a night owl is the
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Before and when we get home for the night I actually don't really enjoy the night out that much but just getting ready and taking my makeup off at the end of it is great. And then I moved to Australia and I actually you'll love this I flipped a coin one night And it landed on heads and an hour later I booked a one way ticket to Sydney and I moved to Sydney. What really now you know, he's a risk taker. Yeah, and I will say like, I'm a great believer in fate and I don't believe in regrets and I was like, Well, what is the worst that's gonna happen? I come home. Okay, fine. Like, it's gonna be fine. I moved to Australia I worked in magazines. And and then I came back and I was working back in beauty again and I met a facialist called Nicola jars. And Nicola and I met through work, but we we had a really deep soulful connection quite early on. She is very much like she does crystal healing radio.
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Key, she massages the face from the inside upwards. And so her whole ethos she's very witchy she's very connected with like the aura of each client and I really, really enjoyed her presence. And I started training underneath her. I was like, I just want to see how this chick rolls. Yeah. And she said to me one day said, you know, you just make an amazing spray Tanner. And I know that sounds really weird. And I was like, as spray Tanner, are you kidding me? There is more saliva, I was destined to be sprayed. And I was I say to my friends, I'm like, nobody wakes up. And they go chanela I want to be I want to be a celebrity sprays on it. It's not a career that I was aiming for. But at the time I was working in an office and I was like doing odd jobs and life just hadn't presented me the path that I was supposed to walk on. And so I thought you know what, someday I what, I've got nothing to lose. I'll become a spray tanning. So
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I started spray tanning. And about three months into doing this. I was tanning a makeup artist called Natalia mer. And she said to me that you know that you're really good at this, don't you? You know that, like, you're really good at spray tanning. And I was like, Well, what are you talking about that everyone can do this? She was like, No, no, no, you've got it. She said, Listen, I'm the head makeup artist on The X Factor. And do you want to be part of my makeup team? And I was like, Yeah, why the hell not. And so I worked Monday to Friday in my desk job. And at the weekends, I would be backstage rubbing shoulders with Kelly Rowland, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, like working on all these. I wasn't working with them. But I was working with the contestants. But my eyes were opening into this incredible backstage world. And I just thought, Oh my gosh, and that year was the year that little makes who are really
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Famous fan now they won the X Factor. And I remember standing in the crowd of the oh two in Wembley. I just almost tripped over Kylie Minogue stiletto. And it was like this mental place I was in and I watched Little Mix when and the confetti cannons went off and I just, I will never forget it. I remember thinking, I'm just gonna literally follow a dream. I'm going to follow whatever is going to bring me joy because I watched those girls when they take a chance they wanted to sing. They won this competition and their lives were going to change just because they they were obviously innately following something. So I thought, I'm just gonna give this spray tanning ago and the worst that can happen is I failed and I work something out. So I started turning more and more and more celebrities and the industry in London, there was only one or their celebrity spray Tanner at the time and and I could really understand that people wanted confidentiality. They wanted someone really chilled to be around.
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I honestly I'm pretty horizontal in life. I'm very cheerful. And
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all of a sudden, I was literally going in and out of a list Hollywood stars homes, hotel rooms, traveling the world getting booked going on the private jets being flown at last minute to give tons. I then worked on Dancing with the Stars. I worked on the crown. I then was just teaching so I southtown I was an ambassador for a brand and tan was exploding at the time. And so I was traveling to Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Germany, I was traveling all over the world, teaching makeup artists, journalists all about time. And and then it reached a point i during that time, I was so obsessed with skin because my job was to look at people's skin, but also to listen what my clients wanted. And I worked with a listers, of course, but I
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also worked with people who weren't famous, and people who would save their money for their wedding town or big holiday town or like school mums, all of that. So, every day if you imagine when you're doing that job, every day was just a sea of vagina and nipples. It was,
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was naked bodies consistently. Oh my gosh, it's so funny that you say that when people go like, I don't know, what do you do? You go in front of somebody, you get naked? I'm like, yeah,
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that is literally and they're like, what? And I'm like, Yeah, like, Who cares? And so I pop it up in somebody's home, I'd go into their space and and they would get naked for me. And I realized that during that time, it was very much up to me to make this client feel the most comfortable that they could feel. So I really worked on myself and how I present myself around other people. I have to make somebody feel like they could fat all because when you have a spray tan, you
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Makeup comes off jewelry comes off. Even your lipstick comes out you are butt naked. And so I need to make you feel comfortable and vulnerable. Exactly. Oh wait now I'm seeing where the body positivity comes in. Whoa, okay, okay, got it.
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Now I'm seeing it, I guess to how we came to Allah paradise and came to the body positivity.
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During the time I was in and out of TV studios I would turn up with I'm not even kidding you like two of the biggest suitcases you've ever seen. I was driving a car that made me look like I had six children. It was so big and it was just all my products and my kit. And I realized that I needed to make makeup and color corrected product in without time to get the skin that I wanted because I didn't want the time to go orange. I needed to hide redness. Sometimes my clients just wanted brighter skin they didn't necessarily want anytime on the skin. So I had to use makeup in order to get that finished.
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And then there was just this moment and you will know because you have a brand and there is anyone who you speak to who's got the brand, there is the light bulb the click, the universe opens and presents the situation to you. And I remember just standing trying to find products that were going to do what I needed them to do, and my kids, and I couldn't find them. And I stood in this drugstore. And I thought, God if I'm literally supposed to be the best spray Tanner in the world, and I'm having to mix products to do what it's supposed to do on the skin, and what the hell chances anybody else who's using this to go to their wedding to go at night? How are they supposed to do it if this is all that they can buy? And I thought I I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna launch my own brand because it is my duty and my right in the beauty industry to deliver products that do what they say. They're going to do.
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So, you'll know that when you're thinking of your brand, everything is dah dah dah dah dah dah flying around and I wanted our paradise to represent the women and the men I saw in my spray tan tan every single day. So I wanted clients to feel empowered when they bought Allah paradise. I didn't want to market our paradise based on someone's insecurities, so I didn't want to say, oh tannic. If you can't turn it, turn it, this will cover cellulite. It's such bullshit. And there were so many times in be that I'd be on a photo shoot. And I'd be behind the camera, and I'd be looking at the celebrity on set. And I turn the camera lens, the tent of the screen at the side and I'd see the image rolling on the monitor. I'd run to the monitor to check that my time was okay. Yeah, it was all fine. And then six months later, the image would come out in a magazine and it had been airbrushed and I just thought, I know
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airbrush that's a massive lie, but my girlfriends are buying this product have not got a clue. That's not fair. That's not fair. And this is a huge, huge lie that was happening in the beauty industry. And I thought, I love this industry. Yeah, I'm part of this lie. And when we launched our paradise, I was like, we cannot be removing cellulite. We could not be changing body shapes. This is not going to happen. under my watch, no chance. This needs to be a brand that changes the way that other brands in the beauty industry are going to follow suit. I love that Jules and that is exactly that is exactly the issue. That or what has been going on in our society for so long. That has led to lack of competence because we're we're holding ourselves to this fictitious norm what we think is norm like that's what we're supposed to look like. Those are the celebrities that's like what we're Our goal is and it's an airbrush, it's just like within
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gram, which is a curated feed often, and now I think we're seeing a paradigm shift where people are saying, This is what I really look like.
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This is who I am except who you are. If we continue to airbrush our life and our faces and whatnot, we're never going to accept ourselves as we are. Exactly how are you supposed to find inner happiness when the dream of inner happiness is airbrush, so you're aiming for reality that doesn't even exist? Exactly, exactly. It is. And I think that now the light bulb went on for me that here you are in these homes of humans, whether they're celebrity or not, but you're in these homes and they are burying themselves, all their insecurities. And you I'm sure through the conversations of making people feel comfortable, that these conversations about cellulite or this isn't perfect and whatnot and realizing how much we bash ourselves.
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was unbelievable. It was unbelievable so self tan and being a spray Tanner actually saved me on my own body and security journey. So I really hated how I looked probably from the age of 12 to 2425
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suffered with eating disorders with self harm just would cry in front of the mirror would grab my body just hated it just hated how I looked just wanting to blend into the background. And when I started spray tanning
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hearing other people apologize and I'm not even kidding you every single client whether they were a list celebrity or they were non famous, every single person apologized and they still apologize now sorry about my cellulite sorry about my fat sorry about my boobs. Sorry about my skin. Please don't look at my ass. All of it. Yeah. And I realized that actually, we have been programmed. Yes, our bodies
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From an early age conversation yesterday, it literally the light bulb lit for me and I was like, if every single person I'm working with hates how they look,
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then how I if I hate how I look, but I'm not seeing that in somebody else because I didn't see that. So Eli, I didn't see that nothing wrong with that stomach anything. I was like, well, then this isn't reality, and I need to change. All that needs to happen here is I need to change the way that I'm speaking to myself. And that will change reality. I don't need to change my body. Because we've all been there the scales out being forced diet culture and told that our happiness will achieve when we reach goal weight. And how many of us have reached that goal away? Oh, and you haven't found happiness? Because the industry is just feeding on your insecurities. And for those of you who are not who are listening and not watching I am literally bowing down because yes, exactly.
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And by the way, guilty, guilty. Every day I get dressed, I'm like, oh, if I was just thinner, this would lay better on me. You know, and I deal with it too. And by the way, I love them. I do I truly love myself. But of course, because I look through Instagram and I see these fashion pages, I'm like my god if I if I just had the thinner arms and this and I'm finally getting to this place in my life, and maybe it's my age, I'm 48 I'm like, you know what? This is this is got to stop. I haven't worn sleeveless shirt my entire life because I've been saying my arms aren't that that certain way. And you know what, I also believe that suicide if that's what I continue to tell myself and the energy in myself, that is what is going to continue to show up.
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And I am not seeing myself for myself. So that telling yourself each day, it is
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is negative manifesting? Yes, every single day, and we are all guilty of this. You stand in front of the mirror and you say I'm fat. I hate this and you look at your body and you consistently repeat that message, then you are putting it out to the universe, and what's going to happen, but you aren't going to believe that that is reality. Exactly. So I wrote a book actually on how to get body positivity. And it's free, you can download it from the island paradise website, because I don't believe that anything that's in but you should, I don't want to charge people for that, like come and just download it and have it for free. But if you focus on the bits that you love, like I focus on my eyes, I focus on I like I quite like my legs, the bits of the area. The areas that I don't like are my love handles. They're not my favorite bit.
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I focused on them and I would consistently say mean things to myself about my love handles. And the moment I changed the messaging up when I spoke in the mirror, my life just became happier and I
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I don't believe that you can be body confident every single day of your life. If there is no magic one that comes in and goes, here's the body of your favorite a list. There you go, all your problems are solved. It doesn't exist. But it's a journey and you have to work on yourself and on your inner demons and just change the process and change the thought. I agree. I agree. And I think that's true with every part of your life. That's for me. And I know you know, you I did the mindful Mondays every Monday and that's what then led to this podcast because that's for me, what part of my brand is about is
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it's just changed the dialogue within the don't even realize the conversations, the negative conversations that we have with ourselves, and the impact that has on our energy on our cellular structure, the whole thing. And if we can start to change that conversation, and we can start to
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quiet the mind, we'll see what's possible. And I really do believe everything in anything is possible. Um, that I, I've seen too many things in my own life that doctors have literally said impossible to happen that have just by changing my, my mindset and be quite quieting that noise and that inner dialogue and really being mindful about how I look at a situation, how I look at my life, how I look at my relationships. And it all starts with the conversation I'm having with my head with myself in my head every day. I start to look in the mirror, I go,
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alright, girl, you're 48 not bad.
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You're looking credible, you're looking credible, but at the same time, and and this is a really, I think in the beauty industry. It's a really interesting place to have these conversations because I don't know about you, but if I get questions, I'll wait how long
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Can you talk about body positivity when you have a time round? I don't I don't understand that because surely you should love yourself with or without the time. And I'm like yeah, you don't have to buy time to make you feel happy in yourself but all it does is give you a little bit of boost and a confidence and I think there's something really cathartic about literally rubbing your body when you are applying a project because
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it's the same as skincare it's not about necessarily the end result. It's about that time with your family. Yes, say it out loud. Absolutely. That's what self care is. To me, yes, I look at See I look at makeup and and such and tan as creativity self expression, artistry. And but I look at skincare is taking care of oneself, right? Almost like like a health right?
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And because it's not just the products and the ingredients with that physical touching of your skin, taking care of
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yourself. That's so important and connecting with it and taking a 15 minutes in the shower, to you know, really wash your body but connect with your body that I think is so important. And I listen, I agree. The reason why I like to do a spray tan is because I do I think I look healthier, like I have a little bit of a glow, but I am not somebody who's gonna stand sit in the sun. Like we don't have to go onto that tangent I am very, you know, but like, I like that little bit of a glow. And clearly you can see on this video that I don't.
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But if there is that sense of, hey, you feel a little confident and what's wrong with that?
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Nothing, babes, nothing. Whatever it takes to get you out of that front door, feeling your best self, then babes do it. I want to I want to also touch back on something that you said before.
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About the conversation that you have with yourself in the mirror with clothes, because I think clothes and fashion and when we shop, our lives are so dictated to by the number in the back, and by the latter in the back. And, oh, this, I did and what blows my mind because I'm guilty. I'm really guilty of this and I have been in the past and even now the conversation can come when, when she's stepping into a large I'm not a medium. I'm like, oh, what's happening? But why should we constrict our body to what somebody has deemed a size and put a label in the back of a garment? Like when you actually think of it imagine trying to explain that to aliens, or if animals could talk, they'd be like, wait, what you're doing what that's mad. And actually, like, I'm not defined by that letter or that number. I am not defined by that. And
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Something I really realized when I was doing so many spray tans that I never actually remembered a client based on their appearance. I would remember if they made me a really good cup of tea if they gave me a great hug if they made me laugh if they told me that funny joke, what was it about them that I was connected to? It was never their appearance. And I realized that actually, my how I look, and my appearance is probably belief, interesting thing about myself. And the moment that you start to remember that and you start to really repeat that in the mirror and you get actually doesn't if somebody is judging me based on my appearance, that is that that's their stuff. Yes, my stuff. And I'm not defined by how I look. And I understand that a question will be raised Wait, but you sell town and that town is based on appearance? No, no, a town is based on the moment when you're looking for the mirror that makes you feel more confident, and you leave the house and you're smiling and you're happy.
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We say a good hair day because you feel good. It's the same thing. It's a different way of thinking, I think, the moment you start to reprogram the thought process, then life just becomes a lot more fun. I agree. I haven't owned a scale since I was 16. Good for you. And I refuse to have one in my house. I have three beautiful children and I absolutely refuse for them to ever, I just don't believe in it. Because we get fixated on a number and that number it can be very different based upon your height, your you know, your frame, all those things. And I'd rather you focus on feeling good about yourself and feeling better for yourself on based on number. And what I am starting to do is not look at the number in my clothes, and my jeans and stuff like that. Because if it looks good and every brand, I'm a different size and why am I looking at that and judging myself and I'm really getting to the point where I'm not doing
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Wouldn't it?
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Nope. Not worth it? It's not like why why am I self torturing myself?
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Like, I'm not doing anymore. I'm like, when I get stressed, do I feel good? Am I putting on something that makes me feel good? You know, I'm also doing the Marie Kondo effect of what I'm wearing and my purchasing it. Is it bringing me joy? Do I feel good? Do I feel confident? Do I feel sexy? And I'm not saying sexy for somebody else to look at me and find find desirable, do I feel that little? I don't know, that little light in me. And that's what's been important. And that light is not defined on that physical appearance. It's how do I feel inside? Because then again, I'm coming from a place of joy. You know, I don't believe things, people anything can make me happy only I can make me happy. That's
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100% and
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and, you know, I hope
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That when people come to my Instagram, and this podcast and the things we continue to do on our platform, both yours and mine, that they're not seeing it as a skincare brand. I want you to live the healthiest version of your life. That's what I woke up to. You know, I said, From the minute I got diagnosed, and figured out what was happening, I said, I'm going to spend the rest of my life dedicated to empowering others to living the healthiest version of their life. And to me, health isn't just your blood pressure. It's your sense of self. It is being mindful, it is mine finding a balanced mind, body and soul. And I just, I will spend the rest of my life trying to help people get to that place because once you get to that place, and I'm sure you agree with me, this is a journey that will never stop
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Napa Napa. But if you believe that this journey is a dress rehearsal for another journey, dynamite Yes.
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I say to people I especially like my girlfriends, I'm like, so do you think that the moment when you die, someone wait as soon as you close your eyes, but someone's gonna go, Okay, so that was the dresser he'll say, if you want to come through to your actual life, that'd be great. If you just want to put on a lip and we'll go, it ain't gonna happen. ain't gonna happen. So
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I yes, and you don't know when it's going to come up, we just we will never know. And I think that's why I refuse to ever get complacent and having these conversations, you know, with with everybody is no, let's be mindful. Let's treat everybody equally. And when I say equally from a place of love, I mean, we see what's going on right now. I'm sure I know you're you're across the pond. But what is happening here in the United States is just, it's incredible in a way that we're we meaning myself as someone who is privileged white person waking up to what has been happening in our society and what we have
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been ignoring or afraid to embarrass, to look at? A we need to start realizing that
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we need to treat people equally 100%. And it's, it's about the human race, it's about looking after one another. And I've been thinking about everything that's going on. I've been working on myself a lot about this. And I
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actually, we are living through a massive historical moment. And we are we are have been given the ability to change the way that the future is going to be, and change the world for generations beneath us. And it's up to us to make that change. So that actually, the world is just a better place to live in. I do and I really think that all this is happening for a reason. I really do. I believe everything happens and I think that the fact that we're all indoors looking at our screen is forcing us to look at what has been happening.
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in society for
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over 400 years, and literally, we will have the opportunity to open our doors and open our hearts when we go back out, and you're absolutely right, we were at this pivotal point that we can be a part of the change. And I mean, I know I, too, have been spending a lot of time and self reflection a little bit differently from for me and that and, you know, I set it on our feed. I have the incredible privilege of having three children. Two of them I gave birth to and one of them who basically wound up on my doorstep at six months who it who is black, and so I have the privilege of raising a strong black woman. And what I need to do is start ice for a while and honestly I was thinking of how do I raise a strong female and I realized
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that was wrong of me. I need to raise a straw
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lakh woman, and I need to educate myself to how to do that properly because it's very different than how I will be conversations are going to be very different than what I had with Emily and what I have with some Maya. And so I've been really doing that work on myself not realizing that the conversations have to be different. Um, and right to ask for help. Don't be afraid to speak to people. And that's what I'm learning and I'm doing a tremendous amount of reading and
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it's been really
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eye opening for me.
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And not even not always in a comfortable way things I didn't realize and of course, you know, I am, gosh, I am so proud to be her mom. It is like truly one of the greatest gifts. She's a little miracle that happened in my life that was not expecting, but it's it is it's these moments that I am taking to
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Think about how AI can play a role in that. And then even as a brand, how are we?
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How am she going to look at my feet and know that? It does, I am walking the walk and talking the talk in my business as I do at home. Mm hmm. So it's very interesting. So I have a question for you on this. How does that work as you create a brand that is based on tanning? How is it inclusive?
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So, the misconception
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is only for one type of skin tone is something that I always found really bizarre because tan works on every single skin tone from the palest of the pale to the darkest of the dark. It works across the whole spectrum. So when Allah paradise launched, we were the first ever sell Tamron to us a woman of color in our campaign ever. And journalists used to say
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Wow, that's so amazing how does it feel? And you know, the PR told me to say Oh, it feels amazing and I'd always answer be like, you know what I actually sucks. It sucks that it took me to do this. Yeah, actually this should have been done from the get go and then I wouldn't have to be doing all of this. And actually, I think it's really important to remember that when you use tan,
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okay, on white skin like mine, it will go that it will change in the hue and the color to go from a pale pinkish color to a brown Golden olivey color. But what it really does is mimic the effects of the sun. So whatever skin shade you have and skin tone, you will get a color that is reflective of time under the sun, so it's warming removing an ash of Bluey under completions, it even as a skin out it might just give you a little kiss of color.
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Or it might completely even the skin tone now, it's not the fact that it's seen as that one shade that happens is quite archaic actually. It should be seen as a tool that can be used to transform your skin without lying in the sun. So it's almost like a stun detection. That's how I see it. I Well listen, I swear I've done spray tan is because I don't go in the sun. And that I think and by the way, for those of you listening, I planted that question because I really think that is part of the conversation that also needs to happen is that you
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this is an inclusive brand you are the first brand that I know of that had to be a VIP OC person as a model to say no. I've been doing spray tan for how many years and I've been doing it on every sheet
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every day, but also on like semi permanent makeup. Exactly. But it's it's
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Just that glow, and it's, you know, when I talk to and be a p OC. clients, I say, you know, don't be fooled by what the media has told you about tan. It's not like that it's like this. And whoever my client is, and whatever their skin color, the reaction is always the same after the after they've used town. It's oh my gosh, I feel more confident why I didn't know that my skin could look like this.
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I love that. Well, I happen to love you. And even though we just kind of started our friendship in this life, I love that. So then how did how did the podcasting come on? Because I you know, I could talk to you for hours. But I want to talk a little bit about that. And how did you then realize that this goes beyond that, and I need to create these podcasts and please tell everybody the podcast because I do think what you're doing is important. Thank you. And so the podcast actually started before our paradigm
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I met my co host, Sarah, when she interviewed me when she was a radio presenter. she interviewed me about town and backstage and the world of Dancing with the Stars. And we just became really good friends. And this was almost five years ago. And she said, I think we should do a podcast like the people are doing them. And I think it'd be just nice to see each other every week. We're like, yeah, okay, well, we'll start podcasting. And we then picked up this following and picked up an audience and it was the same message that came through every time when people would reach out to us and they say, I'm finding it really hard at the moment, but your podcasts are bringing so much light, or, oh, you said that one thing about being positive and you said something about my anxiety or mental health and it's really made me feel better. And so Sarah, and I said, you know, it's, it's like our podcast is answering a need, but we're not designing it to answer that need. What if we did
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Find something separate. That really answers that means and both of his relates to salaries to interview loads of celebrities, I would work with celebrities.
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And we both knew that wobbles happened wherever and whoever you were. And yet social media was very much a place where people didn't talk about anything. And so we launched wobble to break down the barrier and to encourage other people to talk about how they're feeling. So it might be that you it can be a mental bubble or a physical level, but it's important to realize that we all wobble, we all have those moments. And so we just we started the podcast to encourage others to talk about it. I love it. I absolutely love it. I think it's so I and by the way for those of you who are listening to this might be driving, everything will be in the show notes, of course that and links so that you can find all that Okay, so
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I can go on and on. Like, I don't even want to end this podcast because I have so many
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Questions. So maybe there'll be a part two, I always ask every guest three questions. And they are. So what are you currently passionate about?
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I'm currently passionate about using my voice more within the space that I'm in. So previously to
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everything that's been happening with black lives matter. I don't think I was using my voice enough. And, yes, I have changed the beauty industry in a way that it communicates to individuals in terms of body positivity. But I'm actually sometimes a bit shy about being an activist. And so what I'm working on at the moment in my presence is speaking up more and actually be more confident. So I actually received a press email the other day from this girl and she was like, Oh, hi, I've got this client and it's all about summer body and Auntie Sally ally and this new machine that raised the cellulite
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The old way I would have just ignored it. And the new me wrote back. And I would say, I think this is really wrong. You shouldn't be sending these emails, I understand that my name has been copy pasted. And so I'm not blaming, I wasn't blaming her, but I was like, please don't ever send me any kind of information like this again, done. And so I just want to speak up more. Unbelievable. Congratulations. That's
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okay. So what's giving you purpose right now?
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Again, my audience on social media. I mean, every day if you don't follow me on social media,
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if you finally have to know calm and check out the madness that I put out content that every single piece that I put out, I try to either educate somebody in how to live their life differently and more positively, or I just want to make you laugh. I just want to have fun. I just want to make you feel great in the skin that you're in and every day
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Hey, I wake up to DMS from followers and new followers and maybe somebody shared a post with a friend and they've come in and they're just saying, oh my god like you, I love the way that you see live, you're positively impacting me. And my whole my whole message to myself is, I want to be the role model that I didn't have. So when I was going through all the dark times, and when I was really struggling with my parents and who I was and aftering insecurities, I literally had no one to guide me. And so I want to be that person, but other people because there's so much more than feeling and being in that dark space. You are that person. FYI, you're nailing it. I really are. Thank you. Okay, so And my last question is, what are you doing?
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To be more present on a regular basis?
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Um, I connect with nature, a lot.
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Nature i think is overlooked, especially in schools.
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Especially when you're in your younger years so you don't really get taught that nature is actually a huge healing beast. And during the lockdown COVID times that we are now recording in and I've made sure that I've been going outside and being going on the walks and just taking time out.
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And I said to my fiance, he said, You know, I'm really not that bothered about the stores reopening and, you know, that world kind of reinvented itself, all I want is to be able to just keep going outside and keep connecting with nature. I meditate as much as I can. My friend Kirsty Raina, just the most amazing online meditations on Instagram every day. And I just listened to I listen to nice, easy meditations. I love the karma app. I really it really helps me and they have a breathing exercise on there that if I'm ever getting because my mental health is up and down, it fluctuates and the karma I find so amazing
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Just bring me down a few notches when I need it. I happen to love that app and I think that I love headspace. I practice Transcendental Meditation so I meditate every morning and every night which has been so important to my mental health. Sure. I agree with you for me being out in nature I have a I'm blessed I have a very large greenhouse 750 square feet and my backyard. And so I spend time in there I am surrounded on this side of me with all plants and
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I do think there is I know scientifically they proven there there is a connection with grounding and going out with your with no shoes on and putting your feet in the ground. And that's where I am that is another tool that I use in my toolbox for staying fully present.
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Okay, well, thank you so much for joining me. How can people find you? I like laid out for us because I know there are a bunch of different
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handles but how can people follow you get to know you better,
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understand more about your product etc share it all. So I'm on Instagram I am at jaws on hat. My Tam brand is at the Isle of paradise. My podcast is Jules and Sarah and that's on a podcast, iTunes, Spotify and other podcast is wobble. And if you have never done before and you're thinking of coming back to the chapel of tanning then welcome in and other Paradise is available at Sephora boots in the UK and Mecca in Australia. Jules, thank you so much. This has been an honor and I cannot wait to have more off the record conversations with you as well. I loved it. Thank you for having me. I hope you guys are all as obsessed with jewels as I am and if you have ideas for upcoming
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Guests or issues that you love us to dive into. Please feel free to email me at coming clean at indie lead calm. And don't forget to hit that subscribe button and of course leave a rating
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