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NorthStar Academy celebrates a significant milestone with the formation of its first-ever independent governing board while maintaining its 27-year commitment to Christ-centered education and discipleship. The transition marks a new chapter of growth and development while keeping the school firmly anchored in its founding mission.

• Board Secretary Katie Ahmadzai shares her transition from principal to board member to balance family needs while continuing to serve North Star's mission
• Board Chairman Danny Coyle explains how his experience with international transitions and developing short-term leaders aligns with North Star's global vision
• Both board members reflect on learning to trust God's provision through the process rather than seeking immediate solutions



Stephanie Shafer:

Hi, this is Stephanie Shafer and you're listening to the NorthStar Narrative, a podcast from NorthStar Academy. I want to thank you for joining us. I hope you're encouraged, challenged and motivated by what you learned today. Enjoy the story. Hey, everyone, welcome to this episode of the NorthStar Narrative. I'm so glad that you are listening today because this is going to be a very special episode for NorthStar and we have a really incredible announcement that's been taking place.

Stephanie Shafer:

NorthStar is now going to be operated by its own first ever independent governing board, and we have two of our new board members joining me today, so I'm excited to introduce them. Both have been on the podcast several times before and so if you've been listening, you know them and you know their incredible hearts for Jesus and for NorthStar, for the mission, discipling kids and resting in the Lord. So can you guess who they are by a little bit there. One is our very own Katie Amadza, who is transitioning out of the principal role to join us on the board as the new board secretary. So I love her heart, her passion for missions and just the work globally she has done through NorthStar and beyond.

Stephanie Shafer:

So excited for this transition for you, katie, and Mr Danny Coyle, who has lots of connections with NorthStar. He is a parent of two alumni, two incredible girls, maya and Elena. Cole and Danny and his wife, wife Jill, have just walked alongside NorthStar not only as parents and supervisors, but also as friends and encouragement, and so I'm so excited to announce Danny will be taken on or is actually, as of July 1, the chairman of our new board and his heart for the Lord and just resting in the Lord and coaching people and so many incredible gifts that God's given him and he's just living those out. So we have two dynamic people here. We have a total of seven board members, so we can talk a little bit about that and just hear their hearts for what is next for NorthStar. We're still standing firm on our mission I've never left that after 27 years but God is shaping some new things, so it's always exciting to have change and see where God's moving. So thank you, danny and Katie, for joining me today.

Katie Ahmadzai:

Yeah, it's great to be here. You're so welcome, it's an honor.

Stephanie Shafer:

All right, so let's just jump in. Everybody might be wondering Katie, why are you leaving the principal role to join the board? Let's hear it.

Katie Ahmadzai:

Oh, yes, definitely a hard decision, but my kiddos are really at a stage of life right now where I want to be able to be available to them a little bit more and, believe it or not, being the principal of an international online school requires some time and some times when, maybe in the afternoons, in order to be able to, in evenings, to be able to work with a lot of our families who live overseas.

Katie Ahmadzai:

Those are prime times that I am hoping to spend more time with my girls and my little boy. He's not quite as busy as my older girls right now, but just needing a little bit more time in my schedule but still caring deeply about the mission of NorthStar, the work that God is doing through NorthStar in people's lives, in our students' lives, our teachers' lives, families' lives and still wanting to be a part of that, because I firmly believe in the mission and what's going on. So being able to transition to the board just seemed like a wonderful option for me to be able to, yeah, enjoy the best of both worlds during the season and very thankful to be able to have this opportunity.

Stephanie Shafer:

Yeah, we are so, so thankful that you are sticking around the NorthStar community and, yeah, excited to see how God's going to continue to use you and Mr Cole, danny, father of two NSA girls and great encourager. So this board chairman commitment is a big one and not to take lightly, and I know you've already put in countless number of hours helping us move in this transition and get it up and running. And so many more hours to come. How are you feeling about that? Why in the world would you give up so much of your time and resources?

Danny Coyle:

Yeah, yeah, Thanks for having me on the podcast again. And yeah, the short answer of it is I believe in what NorthStar is about and, more specifically, I believe in what God's doing through NorthStar in this kingdom, primarily around training our leaders, kingdom leaders and equipping them for the work that is ahead for us as a kingdom. And I believe in it so much because of what NorthStar did with my two daughters, Elena and Maya, and watching the investment that NorthStar made into them and the women that they are now in their leadership roles. I want to see NorthStar do that again and again, and again, and again. And I believe that NorthStar has a strategic place in our kingdom for the shaping of our kingdom to come. And so for me, as I've gotten to know Stephanie and Katie and a lot of the other staff as well, that has just continued to grow and as we have been as NorthStar we'll talk about in a few minutes but during this transition time, for me specifically, my gifting and wiring is in transition.

Danny Coyle:

I have spent my entire life well since the time I was nine years old, on the mission field in Hong Kong, in transient environments, experiencing what it means to not have as much certainty as maybe other cultures and situations might have.

Danny Coyle:

And then, when we moved to Beijing, I lived in Beijing again another transient environment where everybody is coming and going and we led a church there for 10 years that really specialized in short-term equipping of people. Our theory was we had them for two years and we knew that God wanted to change their lives in those two years and equip them for the next assignment after they left Beijing. So this idea of people flowing through an organization, coming out the other side ready to become and do what God has for them to do on the other side, is a theme throughout my life, and NorthStar also is an organization that does that same thing. So when Stephanie asked me if I would serve as the chairman, it was an easy yes, because it already aligned with so much of what my life has been about up until now and the way that God's used me in the lives of organizations and in the lives of individuals. And so, yeah, it just made sense, and so that's why I'm here and that's why I feel like God's brought me to this place.

Stephanie Shafer:

Yeah, and we could stop right now and give incredible praise to the Lord for so many friends just like these two hearts here. So many people are praying for NorthStar right now, people outside of our main community. God's bringing in more community from all over, and so everything is covered in prayer and people giving and just caring for this mission.

Danny Coyle:

I'll add one surprising part to me about that. The Lord is talking a lot about NorthStar to people in both inside it and outside it. It is on his heart.

Danny Coyle:

And you received an email last week from somebody who had just seen the website and had some partnership ideas of how they could partner with us, and it was obvious from his email that the Lord was speaking to him very favorably about NorthStar and the way that we could partner with his organization. So, yeah, not only are people praying, you know, talking to God about NorthStar and seeking him, but God's talking to people about NorthStar too, and it is just so fun to hear his heart and what he has to say about us.

Stephanie Shafer:

It is really a fun, fun time. All right, Katie, what is God placing on your heart right now for NorthStar?

Katie Ahmadzai:

Oh my goodness. Right now for NorthStar, I see the potential for continued diverse community building. I saw this at graduation in a beautiful kind of microscopic scale, because about maybe 10% of our graduates each year come to our live graduation. If you were to look at the bios of our graduates on paper and assume that they were all attending a large public school somewhere in the US, chances are they would never cross paths based on their diverse interests, based on their cultural backgrounds, and to watch these 20 or so students walk into a room, be able to carry on great conversations and interact and have ideas about let's do this in the future, and I can't wait till, you know, you come visit me at college and to know that they've never seen each other in person and that those are the types of relationships that are being built.

Katie Ahmadzai:

And NorthStar that is what I strongly believe God wants his body to look like and the church to look like, and so I want that to continue to happen. So to me, that looks like continuing to be able to build our scholarship fund to be able to invite Christian schools that are predominantly one demographic, have exposure to a lot of different cultures that are represented at NorthStar and experiences that are represented here. But that's really my heart is that we just continue to be the body of Christ and live that out. Our kids get a taste of that and that that's what they want. Moving forward is they? They want that, um, yeah, experience of the church and the body of christ moving forward in their lives.

Danny Coyle:

Yeah, love that two things about katie here that she's voicing. That makes me so happy. She's on our board. Um, this idea of community and education. Um, we had a roundtable maybe a year ago or so with me and Stephanie and Katie and one other member of staff and we got on to this topic of the role of community in education and Katie just was bursting with life around this subject.

Danny Coyle:

This subject and community is one of the major questions around online school of how do we build a community when everybody is so disjointed and away from each other and as a board, this will be a very important part of our strategic plan is how do we continue to cultivate a kingdom culture, a kingdom community in online education moving forward, and I think Katie's voice will be a very important part of that conversation moving forward.

Danny Coyle:

The second story we were at graduation just a couple of months ago and we had a parents forum where all the parents could give feedback about what they enjoyed about NorthStar, and one of the parents had specifically mentioned Katie and her role in encouraging their son, particularly in math, and how just one interaction with Katie just set this kid a light to engage more wholeheartedly and to be more present to his studies, and so I think on both sides of this community conversation, and also what, what makes our kids come alive and how can we foster that and Katie's voice to, to propagate that among all the staff and all the teachers of how are we building this together? Anyway, those two stories just made me so thankful that Katie is a part of this. Go forward.

Stephanie Shafer:

Yes, definitely celebrating Katie all the time, every time she comes on the podcast. All right, Danny, you've talked about boards being visionary and supportive. What does this look like in your mind for NorthStar?

Danny Coyle:

The context Stephanie and I have been using for this season for NorthStar is we were talking about, kind of in the Wild West, a city that has sprung up and NorthStar, similar to maybe a city of the Wild West that had been around for 25 years, as we have. And there comes a point where the city goes. You know what we need to establish a more formal government, probably some city limits, some boundaries, what is inside our city, what's not inside our city, and we would call that establishing. Not that the city didn't exist before, but that we're growing to the phase where we need a bit more structure to this situation and the kinds of structures that will serve the next 20 to 30 years of growth, or 100 years of growth or something like that. Right now, in these months, as we're establishing this board and the associated things that go along with establishing the board, yeah, we are not building a foundation, but I would say establishing the foundation, kind of going. This is what we're going to build on for the next 20 years. So that's kind of the phase we're in now, what we are building and the vision for what's next that I alluded to and the reason why I'm here.

Danny Coyle:

But I'll say it more clearly now the Lord is doing amazing things on the earth and he's using people to do it. He has churches and businesses and nonprofits and art and performance art and visual art and musical arts that he wants to bring to the earth, but he needs a certain kind of leader to do it. He needs a certain kind of internationally-minded, jesus-centered, kingdom-focused leader to do these next things that he wants to do. And NorthStar is one of the places he is bringing those leaders when they're in fifth grade and eighth grade and twelfth grade to train them for these next steps. And so we are right now figuring out what needs to go at ground level, or maybe not what needs to go at ground level, but what needs to be defined at ground level. It already exists, but give it some better words and some better language to the kinds of people that we are developing for kingdom growth and expansion.

Stephanie Shafer:

Okay For both of you. We're putting together a board from the ground up. It takes a lot of prayer, thinking through, consulting, researching, even attorneys to look over bylaws, so so much goes into it. What is God teaching you through this process?

Katie Ahmadzai:

I'll say the nature of how I'm coming to the process. From coming from an everyday in NorthStar doing the work with the teachers and the students to a board level, um, there is a different perspective that God is asking me to shift into. I tend to be a I love to think big picture, but when it comes down to it, give me my task list and let me just get the stuff done. So being able to pause and think not only about like the question you asked you, what do I see is next for NorthStar but think about, with a team of diverse cheerleaders for NorthStar, then what are those next steps? Prayerfully considering that, seeking God in that, but really saying okay, then what are the next steps for us to get there? And being able to do that together and listen well and understand well.

Katie Ahmadzai:

Listen well and understand well, it really is understanding at a much bigger level than really what I've experienced in just day to day at NorthStar, and so I think that's probably what I'm learning and through that there's a lot of me letting go of some of my ideas and control, and there's also trusting that God's provision is in the process and not necessarily in one big poof. It's just going to happen one day, but that his provision is that I've brought this team together. The provision is that you have the talents and the wisdom that I've given you to walk this vision forward. And what does that look like? What does that process look like? So yeah, that's kind of where I'm at and what I'm learning.

Danny Coyle:

I'd enjoy hearing a little bit more. What is the stretch for you in thinking bigger? If you were to put a finer point on a specific there, what would it be?

Katie Ahmadzai:

Ooh, so I think in where I have operated has been in the educational aspect of NorthStar and I've known there's also this business aspect. But I've been easily able to say but I was hired to do this aspect and now to see it all work together. And so, yes, we want to go here academically. What does that mean financially? Or, yes, we want to move here financially, what's that going to allow us to do academically as well and community focused and socially, academically as well and community focused and socially, and so seeing maybe all those pieces webbed together not that I didn't know they existed, but really how they work together might be, as I'm listening to you talk about it.

Danny Coyle:

There's a you in the first description, um, put that together with the trust and the way I hear that is an opening of conversation with your heavenly father about some bigger things. Is that a part of this for you, or do you feel like there's an invitation to intimacy here?

Katie Ahmadzai:

Definitely. I would say the control piece is a journey God has just told me like you better get used to it. It's going to be a lifelong thing. So just when I'm like I've got it, he's like let's try it in this aspect. So there are always pieces that are the next step, like the next push, like okay. So you understand it in this way. He's very patient to just give me what I can handle at a time.

Katie Ahmadzai:

So it's like, okay, you haven't thought about trust in this aspect before. So let's look at it from this direction or this angle, and so I think it's a. That's where where I'm depending on that trust on a bigger level than I've, you know, handed off or even been even aware of maybe before. But being aware, okay, there's a lot of dynamics that go in to an organization the size of NorthStar, working with as many students and parents, teachers that we have. What does that look like for God to be in all those relationships and have a kingdom mindset in all of that? So, yeah, it's elevated it and brought more awareness to a bigger need.

Danny Coyle:

Yeah, the reason I'm asking I wanted to ask these clarifying questions is because my hope is that everything at Norster would bring all of us to a deeper conversation with him. And anyways, as you were talking about your learnings in the board, it's like, oh, that's it. That is, if we were to boil it down to one thing, it'd be a deeper level of intimacy and conversation with him about whatever it is, big or small, or seemingly inconsequential, or you know bylaws that we're my secret hopes and dreams for, for us as a board, that all of us would be drawn into intimacy with him, but but for us as a school, that that would be the heartbeat of our school is more, more lord, more of you those are good clarifying questions and so so important um for everybody to hear your heart.

Stephanie Shafer:

So what about you, danny? Is there anything you would say? Oh God's put his finger on this or something I'm learning, as I know he's challenging you and stretching you in ways.

Danny Coyle:

The grand experiment of this phase of NorthStar. Come to me, all you who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light. And working like Katie was referencing working with an organization as large as NorthStar. Is that true? This is yoke really easy and his burden really light when dealing with 3,000 enrollments and a multi-million dollar budget. And so far in the experiment the answer is yes, his yoke is easy and his burden is light.

Danny Coyle:

And sometimes people refer to our kingdom as the upside down kingdom, and it is not. Our kingdom is the right side up kingdom, everything else is upside down. Our kingdom is the right side up kingdom, everything else is upside down. And when these things become heavy, or when they become burdensome, or when we start feeling the pressure to perform because we've got to meet some demand and expectation, we're upside down. It's broken, and I am continually learning, as a human being, the way the right side of kingdom works, and so the experiment will continue to be. Can this yoke be easy and this burden be light? I know the answer is yes and I am still figuring out that the answer is yes, and I think that's kind of the grand scheme of what I'm approaching this as a board member.

Katie Ahmadzai:

That's good. I love that and I will say um recently had a mentor of mine praying for me and she specifically mentioned that verse as well, and it just brought to mind that, like the, the, the yoke is still the yoke. You know, it's still there. It's just that it's not that I have to carry it alone and I I can.

Katie Ahmadzai:

It's so easy for me to be able to be like okay, and I got this and what I've done is really I'm pushing against and trying to take more than what God is actually putting on my shoulders for that point in time. He is yoked with me for a purpose, and so being able to pause and reflect and spend time with Him and ask Him what is mine to carry right now and what is yours to carry, has been a powerful pause and reflection for me over the past few months, because it can, like you, like you said, can I the more aware of all the pieces that that there are NorthStar? Um, definitely, it can become more overwhelming, but knowing that, um, he's yoked with me, um, it has been a powerful image.

Stephanie Shafer:

Yeah, that's good. And just sometimes for me it's a a powerful image. Yeah, that's good. And just sometimes for me it's a moment by moment, casting all my anxiety on him and he says we can do that, and that he gives peace, perfect peace, to the mind. That's steadfast on him, on his word and choosing to trust. And so, yeah, moment by moment, no matter who's listening, on a board running an organization, teaching, whatever we're doing, it's literally a moment by moment. So, yeah, thanks for sharing that. All right, let's get practical for a moment. For someone listening who may not understand the role of a board in any organization, may not understand the role of a board in any organization nonprofit school but especially here at NorthStar, what is this role going to be like? How are you going to come alongside NorthStar? How is it set up? You know we're a governing board, a missional board rooted in prayer, but what does that look like practically?

Danny Coyle:

There are three objectives of the board. The first is to uphold the mission, the second is financial stewardship of the school and the third is executive mission, says it should go. So the mission for NorthStar is our commitment to Christ leads us to our personal investment in you. Our commitment to you inspires and motivates NorthStar Academy's spiritual emphasis, academic excellence, personal experience and global reach. So these four categories spiritual emphasis, academic excellence, personal experience and global reach the board is tasked with this mission of getting NorthStar to do these things. Strategic plan for what endeavors do you want to pursue over the next few years?

Danny Coyle:

The primary thing is to uphold and support the mission. The board is responsible for the financial stewardship of the school, which means approving the budget for the school for the coming school year, and then, third, executive oversight. So the board has one employee and that's the head of school, in this case Stephanie, and annually the board reviews Stephanie's performance and has a review process with her about her performance. And should it come in the next few years, if we need to find another head of school, the board would be the one to do the search for a new head of school and then hiring them and setting up the package. The head of school is responsible for all the operations of the school. So the board has one employee to hire the head of school and the head of school is the one who implements all the strategies within the school. So practically the board does those three things uphold the mission, financial stewardship, executive oversight.

Stephanie Shafer:

Thanks, Danny, for sharing, yeah, the three main functions of the board and just giving that practicality. Also, thinking along the same lines as we're wrapping up, how do you see the board coming alongside the staff, the faculty and families in the months ahead?

Danny Coyle:

Great question.

Danny Coyle:

I think the first thing that comes to mind and I know Stephanie has said this in some of the staff meetings before, but there isn't really any major changes coming from a.

Danny Coyle:

You know, if you're a teacher at NorthStar or family at NorthStar, you're probably not going to notice anything different with the board for a while, primarily because we're doing a lot of things bylaws and setting up our internal committees and things that a lot of the things that go on way behind the scenes to prepare us and establish us for the coming years.

Danny Coyle:

So you're probably not going to notice very much change at all in the next few cycles, maybe a year or two, even Um the. However, my hope is that NorthStar feels different, that there is a feeling of hope and a feeling of peace and the feeling of this is a good place for my kids or my students to learn and to thrive and to grow and to be developed and to be challenged. That that atmosphere comes from the board to the teachers, to the students, to the parents. And so, yeah, practically I hope not a lot changes on the surface, but I hope a heck of a lot changes not changes, but continues to be enhanced. I will say it that way, continues to be enhanced over these coming months and maybe even to put a finer point on it, the fruit of the spirit that love and joy and peace and patience and kindness, gentleness, that these things would be growing and over these next few months.

Katie Ahmadzai:

I completely agree and just with the every the day-to-day operations, the quality of the education all going to stay the same the support and love for our students, our teachers we want that to remain the foundation of what it is. I think with any board that is focused on one school and the mission of that school yeah, what you described, annie, was so good of like a deepening of that mission. So whenever you think about the mission of NorthStar is being able to operate out of God's love for us and pour that love into our students so that they understand the depth of God's love for them and then through that, we see them flourish in all these different areas. Just thinking about, like with a specific board for the school we are now thinking specifically in our context as NorthStar, an international online Christian school what does that look like? How does that get deeper, considering we're online? So to me, the board is there to be able to really kind of anchor and maybe dig a little bit deeper into those areas and then be able to again support the administration, the teachers, in the good work that they're doing, but with like a deeper foundation, like a deeper anchor to hold there.

Katie Ahmadzai:

And so that was just a great description I thought that you gave, and so I would say a great description I thought that you gave, and so I would say, yeah, just really holding tight to our mission and being able to see us hone in on who we are as a unique school and how God wants us to steward that really well as a school community excites me a whole lot and that's what I think you know. It probably won't happen in massive changes. I don't anticipate that. I anticipate it happening in, you know, the beautiful seasonal changes that happen over time and God fine-tuning and just making what we have even more beautiful and just making what we have even more beautiful.

Danny Coyle:

One critical component I want to bring here to where we're headed is with you, Stephanie. I speak for the board in our confidence in you in this role as head of school. And then I think I want to tell a few stories to just help our listeners and this family understand a little bit more about why you are sitting in the seat that you're in here and why we as a board want you here in this seat and feel that God has put you here first for a reason. One of those moments me and Stephanie and Michelle Wiginton, our business manager, was we were at a conference a few months ago at a training, and we had this moment where Stephanie had remembered a conversation she had had with somebody at the conference a day or two earlier and she goes oh, I need to get that piece of information from that guy and I need to get his contact information. And she stands up from the table me and Michelle and her were sitting at and she walks over to this, talk to this guy and get his information and network with him and get the contact that she needed, and so on, and she comes back and smile on her face and got the piece that she needed. So on she comes back and smile on her face and, you know, got the piece that she needed and, yeah, success.

Danny Coyle:

And I remember me and Michelle were looking at each other, kind of going. Neither of us would do that, Neither of us would just automatically stand up, go meet somebody. And you know you need to give me the information you have on behalf of this school. And just it was a moment of recognizing that there are things that this school needs out there in the world and Stephanie is someone that Father has anointed to go get those things on our behalf. That's part one of why Stephanie is in this role.

Danny Coyle:

The second one, as we were at this conference her vibe, her demeanor with everyone we met she exuded NorthStar is the best school in the world and you need to know about it and to watch her talk about and tell the story of NorthStar over and over and over and over again. She didn't get tired of it and she's been telling the story for ages. She didn't get tired of it. She's been telling this story for ages, Particularly around a new endeavor, around donor development, and with such energy will be critical to our fundraising efforts going forward, and it's one of Stephanie's primary responsibilities will be fundraising and donor development going forward, and I can think of nobody better in that role than Stephanie, and so we are, as a board, so thankful for her that the Lord has brought her here and has put her in this slot. And, yeah, that's why she's here is because she can't stop talking about NorthStar and she is able to get the resources we need and deploy them in a strategic way for us to move forward as a school.

Katie Ahmadzai:

I will second that If you're in the room for like a minute with Stephanie, you're going to hear how, not just like the perfunctory, like how wonderful NorthStar is, but like you can tell, it's coming from our heart and we we start with the Word of God. How many times have we had the conversation we have to start with? NorthStar is founded on the Word of God and that is the key point, and so there's just such a passion for God's Word and what he's doing in the world that NorthStar is a part of that and truly believes in because you know it's.

Stephanie Shafer:

I agree with you.

Katie Ahmadzai:

It's true, because NorthStar is an amazing school and we want more and more people to hear about what we have to offer. You know, out of a service Like we, really, I feel that coming from Stephanie so often is like how can we serve other schools, how can we continue to serve our families, how can we continue to serve our students, our families, how can we continue to serve our students? And so, just out of that heart of service, being able to share the NorthStar, story is so valuable and, yeah, I get excited every time I hear it.

Stephanie Shafer:

So, yes, it is one of my favorite things to do tell the story of NorthStar because it is so rich, and I love the verses that talk about God, how he lavishly pours out His grace and His love, and everything he does is lavish and rich. We don't even have the words that can describe that beyond that. And so I see that at NorthStar on a daily basis, him pouring out His grace and His mercy and His goodness. And, yeah, story after story after story of students, and so it's my delight to be here to serve. Even this morning I got to do an NSA Connects and tell kids that they're here on purpose. It's not an accident and nothing is greater than that. And I'm always amazed, even though I tell everybody our students are incredible, they're brilliant, they're doing amazing things all over the world. We don't even have to teach them to be leaders. They're already leaders and we just get to come alongside and spur that on. But, yeah, just the depth that they talked about today and how their passions and then what they're brokenhearted over and how those come together for God to just illuminate their path, and so it was really cool to get to hear their hearts, but it is a joy to be here. I'm so thankful. Thank you so much board the two that are here today, danny and Katie, and all the other ones that are already here and who knows who God's going to bring to come alongside us in the prayer journey. Thank you for our prayer partners, jesus, and for just how people are praying and seeing things already.

Stephanie Shafer:

I know God has told me NorthStar is going to flourish. Don't know exactly what that flourishing means, but we are flourishing. We have been and we're going to continue, and just in new ways and new levels for what's needed in the world today. So this has been a pleasure to talk now, so long that we get two episodes and just reflect on what's coming and what has been. So thank you both for joining me today. My pleasure and honor, absolutely. Thank you so much for listening today. If you have any questions for our guest or would like information about NorthStar, please email us. At podcast at nsaschool we love having guests on our show and getting to hear their stories. If you have anyone in mind that you think would be a great guest to feature, please email us and let us know. And don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss out on upcoming stories.