121 - Looking at Alicja Zmysłowska's soft, otherworldly pet portraits, you'd never guess that her signature style was born from a lack of transportation.
This week, Alicja joins me to talk about artistic influences, the power of personal projects, and how she parlayed her early limitations into the 2020 Portrait of the Year in the Pet Photographers Club awards. It's a must-listen episode!
What To Listen For:
How are you maximizing your surroundings? The light where you live? The lenses you own? Is it all coming together into a cohesive body of work? Whether you're at the beginning of your pet photography journey or you've been at it for years, you'll want to tune in to this week's episode.
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121 - Looking at Alicja Zmysłowska's soft, otherworldly pet portraits, you'd never guess that her signature style was born from a lack of transportation.
This week, Alicja joins me to talk about artistic influences, the power of personal projects, and how she parlayed her early limitations into the 2020 Portrait of the Year in the Pet Photographers Club awards. It's a must-listen episode!
What To Listen For:
How are you maximizing your surroundings? The light where you live? The lenses you own? Is it all coming together into a cohesive body of work? Whether you're at the beginning of your pet photography journey or you've been at it for years, you'll want to tune in to this week's episode.
Resources From This Episode:
JOIN THE PARTY:
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Welcome back to the hair of the dog podcast today,
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rounding out 2021.
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We have one more best of episode this time with Alicja
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Zmysłowska from Poland,
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you guys probably know her as creating these incredible,
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beautiful dreamy ethereal images that we have all just loved to
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stare at because they're so incredibly beautiful.
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And her and I are having a really Frank and open
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and honest discussion about how to find your style,
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what that style evolution looks like for her and myself.
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So if you are photographing pets,
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actually, if you're photographing anything,
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this is a must listen to,
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this was originally episode number 34,
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bringing it back to round out our 2021.
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It's one of our best of during the holiday season.
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So definitely take a few minutes,
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take a listen,
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and we'll see you after the new year,
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Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.
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If you're a pet photographer,
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ready to make more money and start living a life by
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your design,
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you've come to the right place.
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And now your host,
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pet photographer,
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travel addict,
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chocolate martini connoisseur,
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Nicole Begley.
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Everybody Nicole,
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here from hair of the dog.
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And today I have another very special guest from overseas that
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I am going to completely butcher her last name.
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We have Alicia I would say in English.
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However, that is not how it is set in Polish.
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So Alicia,
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do you want to say hello and let us know how
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you really pronounce your name?
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Okay. Hi,
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Nicole. Thank you so much for inviting me for the podcast.
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And yes,
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I can reveal now how you should say my name and
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in Poland,
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Alicja Zmysłowska.
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we would say,
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those sounds Exactly.
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I wouldn't be surprised if you would just say this correctly.
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That's funny.
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Yeah, here on the hair and the dog podcast,
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guys, we get lessons in language and pronunciations and pet photography.
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So it's all very exciting.
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Well, at least yet,
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I must say that I have been a fan of yours
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for a long time.
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I started photographing dogs in 2010,
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and I would say you're one of the first photographers that
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I found that had such an amazing unique style and had
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somebody that had curated your own body of work from the
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beginning. That was just,
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just unique and beautiful and incredible.
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So it's an honor to have you here.
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I'm very excited to have this conversation.
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That's so lonely here.
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Really? Yeah.
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That was long time ago,
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right? Yeah.
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Yeah. When did,
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when did you start photographing?
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Oh, I started photographing like 14 years ago and I,
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yeah. And you were,
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you were pretty young When you started,
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right? Yes.
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I was 11 years old.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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other subjects when you first started getting into photography?
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The love of dogs or the love of photography?
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Oh, definitely love for dogs.
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I was just a big fan of dogs since I was
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born, basically.
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I was just like obsessed with all the dogs,
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but I ever had my own dog.
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my dream puppy,
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my golden retriever.
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because I really wanted to capture the memoriz of the,
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my dream coming,
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true living with me.
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dogs, kind of like a hobby,
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like, you know,
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as a kid,
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when I went to shelters to like walk the dogs and
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being volunteered there with my dad,
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I was attending different kinds of dog events,
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like duck shows or competitions or going to the shelter,
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SARS volunteer.
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Nice. That's fantastic.
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And then were you mainly self-taught or did you go to
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school for photography or did I learn all your,
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all your special tricks?
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they were also like into photography,
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but just as a hobby.
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internet, find some Nolan,
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how to be better or finding some groups,
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forums or websites where I can post my work and get
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some feedbacks.
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and use it.
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That's fantastic.
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I feel like that's something that gets in the way for
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a lot of people that they have this belief that to
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be good at photography and to be an industry leader,
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they need to have gone to school for photography for some
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way. And that's,
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just really not true at all that there's,
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you know,
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it's, it's one of the great things about this profession and
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this hobby is that you can learn so much without having
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to go get some fancy degree.
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you were just awarded portrait photographer,
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portraits portrait,
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photograph of the year from the pet photographers club,
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2020 photographer of the year contest.
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So congratulations to this.
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Thank you.
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Yes. I'm really happy about this and about this specific image
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winning it.
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It has such a nice story behind it.
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Yeah. Tell us the story.
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It's so beautiful.
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I Can do that.
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Definitely. So it's a picture of my own dog theory.
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She's my second dog.
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they traveling by all the possible ways.
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I guess she was traveling with me by plane,
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by train,
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by buses,
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by cars.
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was completely continuous situation.
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by our story,
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but by what we were doing together.
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So I was just going home.
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It was like early spring.
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I actually love photographing in the winter too.
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Like the grays and the Browns actually make a really beautiful
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muted palette sometimes.
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Exactly. I really love that.
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I would say that's kind of part of my style since
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years too.
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by the light and by the train itself,
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it was surprisingly pretty.
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which is nice thing to do to just have the camera
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with you.
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tricks. So I just started playing around with my camera,
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trying to get this view behind the window,
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trying to get something interesting.
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Like we love and using the time I would just spend
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sitting in the train and then some women saw us doing
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this and I fought,
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firstly, like,
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she's gonna tell us to stop her something like,
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she will tell like,
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what are they doing with the dog?
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that it was a big,
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nice surprise.
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She really interested in what are we doing?
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She started helping me to get to shelter that I want,
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oh, knife was like,
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oh, watch,
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just trying to do.
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window. No,
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not to me because she's like,
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she's really focused on me.
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Like she lost her,
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you know,
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it's a border Collie thing.
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I discover some of the clients that have the most well-trained
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dogs are actually some of the hardest to work with because
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they have such spot on focus to their owner that like,
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no matter what noises I'm making,
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they're just like,
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my job is to look at my owner all the time.
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I'm like,
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That's tough.
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I know.
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I noticed,
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you know,
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you can just do all the noises,
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use all the tricks and the dog is like,
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oh, this is destruction training.
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I have to,
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I really find it easier.
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Everyone's like,
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oh man,
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is it hard to photograph a normal family dog of like,
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no, they're actually the easiest because they're interested in all the
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things that I have.
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Whereas those really great obedience champions are just like,
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Nope, this is my job.
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Gosh. Especially those working breeds.
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They're so,
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so focused on whatever they're supposed to be doing at the
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time. Yeah.
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It could be pretty challenging.
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Yes, Exactly.
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But that's really funny.
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I have to say false about that.
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Like those most trained docs are not really the easiest thing.
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You'd like have to know exactly what you need from them
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so we can tell it to the owner.
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So you need to have the biggest idea from all these
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shootings. There is no spontaneous shooting at such session,
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you know?
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Yup. Yup.
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A photographer's dogs are a close second because they've heard all
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of the noises too.
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And they're like,
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whatever. Yes,
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exactly. Siri,
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all her comments are like spoiled because you know,
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she will do something different that I want,
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but they like it for my picture.
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So I'm hiding.
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She's like,
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okay, so I don't have to do your comment.
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I will just,
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you know,
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improvise CA yeah.
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oh, she's broken.
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That's funny.
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It's just a beautiful image.
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We'll definitely link that up into the show notes.
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If you guys want to go check out the winners of
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the pet photographers club,
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2020 pet photographer of the year contest,
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you can see Alicia's image and actually lots of other beautiful
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images too,
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but you can definitely go there and check that out.
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Our show notes page is www.hairofthedogacademy.com/thirty,
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just the numbers three and zero.
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So you can go there and check it out.
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All right.
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So Alicia,
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let's talk a little bit about style because that's something that
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is, oh my gosh.
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So important.
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And I feel like the,
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well, couple of things,
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the pet photography industry is such a unique young place in
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the photography industry.
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In general,
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you know,
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10 years ago,
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there were a handful of pet photographers,
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gosh, 15 years ago when you started even less.
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But you know,
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now there's more and more.
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And last time people were like,
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oh my market's saturated,
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but it's really not.
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There's so many dogs and there's still gonna be more pet
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photographers coming into the market.
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But I think that's actually good because it raises awareness for
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people, you know,
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out in the market that then realized,
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oh my gosh,
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pet photography is a thing.
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And then one of the best ways we can stand out
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from all the other pet photographers is to really be true,
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to kind of figuring out what our style is and how
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we can develop our own personal,
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unique style and be true to our vision.
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So then it's not just,
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oh, there's five pet photographers in my market and they all
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produce the same work and I'm just going to hire whoever's
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cheapest. So I think it's so important to have this,
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this evolution of our style,
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which we're always evolving our style,
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but yeah,
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super excited to talk with you a little bit about it.
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And I actually have two types of style that I feel
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like we all need to pay attention to.
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The first one is the style or really the curation of
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our portfolio.
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So when you look at your own body of work,
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is it cohesive?
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Does it look like it was photographed by one person?
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Or does it look like it's photographed by a whole class
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of people of all different things.
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And then number two,
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taking that body of work and not comparing,
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that's not the right word,
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but looking at that body of work,
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you know,
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against the photography industry as a whole that to make sure
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that it's not looking the same as everyone else's because as
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it grows,
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I've seen this in the family photography industry and also,
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you know,
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newborn industry in high school,
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seniors, all of these John Aras,
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once they start getting bigger than the types of images that
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seem to be popular,
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someone's like,
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oh, they're having success with this type of image.
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That must be what the market wants.
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Oh, well now it's doing this.
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We should do that.
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We should do this.
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And then everybody looks the same,
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which I think then makes us a commodity.
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Again, people are going to be comparing on price where the
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one true way to really,
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you know,
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have value in your work and demand really what,
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any, whatever price you want is to be true,
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to, to creating what you want to create.
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And then you're attracting people that are really drawn to you
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as an artist.
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So that's a long little soap box that I was just
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on for a minute,
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but I would love to chat with you about,
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you know,
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your evolution of style.
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And I can share mine a little bit too,
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but yeah,
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I would just love to know kind of,
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was that something that you thought about or were you just,
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you know,
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what did that look like as you started,
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you picked up the camera and you started photographing dogs.
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How did that process happen for you?
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I would say it's really,
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it was really natural because yeah,
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as you said,
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there were not that many doc photographers out there when I
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was just starting,
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they were a few and they are still there and I
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still admire their work.
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And of course I was getting inspired by them.
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I was like,
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wow, they are doing such an amazing job.
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But somehow since the beginning,
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I was like,
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yes, they are doing amazing job,
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but I don't want to be like them.
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I want to create something that is mine before photography.
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I was drawing a lot.
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I was into digital art.
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So I was creating things.
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I was always into creating things that are unique and expressing
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myself in this way.
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So from the drawing,
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I already got this feeling that I need to create something
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unique and not repeat.
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So she's always,
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I was really into the thing that I have to create
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my work.
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It needs to be unique.
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It needs to be mine.
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So that was in my head since always,
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but the style itself in doc photography,
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for me,
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wasn't like a conscious process that much.
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And this process I think is never,
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never finished.
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So I still think I'm kind of progressing or changing in
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my style.
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So that's an important thing to mention,
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but my style in the beginning was created by the things
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that I had near my home,
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because I couldn't really travel that much when I was so
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young when I started,
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when I was 11,
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12, so,
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right, Exactly.
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So I was just like using,
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you know,
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the big fields that are like near my home,
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like five minutes walking.
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So I was really exploring this one place.
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I had no option to go to the beautiful landscapes or
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anything like that.
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So I was just no finishing school,
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taking my camera,
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taking Cara with me and going shooting though.
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It was my way of spending time with her and enjoying
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it. So I had to look for really like a small
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areas that are pretty,
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so that kind of forced my style,
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like blurred backgrounds,
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because there was not so much to show to be shine.
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I had to make it interesting with,
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with my camera and I didn't have like big blur cameras
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back then.
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It was a struggle.
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But then there was post processing that is also a big
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part of my style that I post process a lot.
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And that was also because of that.
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I didn't really have anything super beautiful around me.
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I had to add it in post process and like learn
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how to do it.
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So that was a neat that I kind of tried to
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pre-fill with other tools than just camera and being somewhere.
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Yeah. I love that.
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I've had this conversation with Charlotte Reeves quite a bit of
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how much,
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where you live and where you,
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you know,
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start shooting at influences your style.
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And her and I have had the conversation,
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like if I lived in Brisbane where it's sunny,
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like 330 days a year and you'd have brilliant,
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beautiful, glowing,
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natural light all the time,
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you know,
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blood, my style have evolved to be,
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you know,
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more sun filled where I lived for most of my life
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and Pittsburgh and where I was for the first seven years
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of eight years,
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eight years of my business and where I really learned to
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shoot and develop my style where we have maybe three days
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of sun a year.
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All right.
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That's, that's a little excessive,
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it's really sunny in the summer a little bit,
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but for like seven months throughout the winter,
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it is just gray and cloudy and monochromatic because yeah,
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everything's dead.
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But I found beauty in that and I have,
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my style is it's not backlit and warm and sun soaked.
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I mean,
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I have a couple images like that,
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but that's not,
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it's not the meat of my style where it's more like
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I was drawn to the architecture because Pittsburgh had amazing old
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buildings and cool doors and you know,
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all these kinds of things like that and like gritty textures
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where, you know,
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she has the beach and,
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and beautiful trees and things like that.
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So I dunno,
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I, I think it's definitely such a big influence on,
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on what type of artists we become based on what we
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have available to us to when we start.
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Yes, Yes,
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definitely. We'll do say it is real.
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And definitely Charlotte has this style connected to the sun and
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backlight and hot weather and yeah,
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I was there and I sold that and I was like,
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yeah, I C,
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C Y.
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Or it looks like this when I was supposed to compare.
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And then she has those beautiful,
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like pink and green or pink and purple skies.
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And when I lived in Florida,
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we would get skies like that.
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But I'm like,
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I don't think I've ever had a pink and purple sky
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in Pittsburgh ever Really.
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I mean,
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maybe after a storm,
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but like,
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you know,
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I don't know,
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like the light as you go further south,
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like the light from Pittsburgh to Florida in the evening,
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Twilight time is vastly different in the light in Florida when
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it's more tropical,
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just has these colors that the Northern latitudes,
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I don't know.
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I usually just don't see,
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but yeah.
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Yeah. But as you mentioned,
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you have done things and gray monochrome and I was like,
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oh my God.
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Yes. That's what I love.
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I know,
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I know.
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I actually really sometimes enjoy shooting in the winter time.
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I love shooting in the snow and I kind of miss
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that. Now that I live in North Carolina,
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we don't really get any snow,
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but yeah.
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Yeah. So fun.
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So other question for you too.
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Cause I think a lot of people,
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when they start saying,
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okay, I'm interested in pet photography,
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it's natural that they then look up pet photographers and they
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start looking at all this other pet photography and,
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oh, so-and-so does this and so-and-so does that.
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Oh, and this is pretty and that's pretty,
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oh, and I like that.
539
00:19:22,650 --> 00:19:23,370
I should try that.
540
00:19:23,370 --> 00:19:24,000
And this and that.
541
00:19:24,210 --> 00:19:26,070
And they're looking at all this,
542
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,450
this pet photography stuff,
543
00:19:27,450 --> 00:19:30,660
that's going to influence them in a way that I don't
544
00:19:30,660 --> 00:19:34,140
think serves them well for figuring out who they want to
545
00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:34,890
be as an artist.
546
00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,140
And I remember this,
547
00:19:37,380 --> 00:19:38,310
at least for me,
548
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:38,880
you know,
549
00:19:38,910 --> 00:19:39,210
you know,
550
00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:39,930
your first year,
551
00:19:39,930 --> 00:19:42,870
you're just kind of taking things in and seeing what's possible
552
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:44,010
and learning new techniques.
553
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,790
And you don't know where to look for inspiration outside of
554
00:19:47,790 --> 00:19:49,530
pet photography because you think,
555
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,030
oh, well I want to do this.
556
00:19:51,030 --> 00:19:53,790
I should look around that market and see what people are
557
00:19:53,790 --> 00:19:59,670
doing. But there's so many places to get artistic inspiration outside
558
00:19:59,670 --> 00:20:02,190
of pet photography and even photography.
559
00:20:02,370 --> 00:20:05,130
I know for me within the photography world,
560
00:20:05,130 --> 00:20:09,330
like I love to look at wedding like good wedding photographers,
561
00:20:09,450 --> 00:20:10,110
Jerry Guiana,
562
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:11,490
Roberto Venezuela,
563
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:12,630
like, oh my gosh,
564
00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:15,540
they create such beautiful images.
565
00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:19,950
And I feel like my style has been pulled slightly from
566
00:20:19,980 --> 00:20:21,120
their influence,
567
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:25,260
but it's so very different because it's not the same subject.
568
00:20:25,290 --> 00:20:26,550
I'm not shooting in hotels.
569
00:20:26,550 --> 00:20:28,650
I wish I could take dogs into all these hotels where
570
00:20:28,650 --> 00:20:31,620
they have like these amazing walls and you know,
571
00:20:31,620 --> 00:20:32,670
things, but it's that,
572
00:20:32,670 --> 00:20:34,590
that texture and that architecture and,
573
00:20:34,770 --> 00:20:35,910
and things like that,
574
00:20:35,910 --> 00:20:37,590
that I've pulled into my work.
575
00:20:37,650 --> 00:20:39,450
And then looking at,
576
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:39,960
you know,
577
00:20:40,050 --> 00:20:42,120
TV shows or movies,
578
00:20:42,610 --> 00:20:43,890
movie posters,
579
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,870
commercial photography,
580
00:20:46,530 --> 00:20:46,830
you know,
581
00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:48,580
there's just so many different spots.
582
00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:49,030
For instance,
583
00:20:49,030 --> 00:20:51,310
when I was watching a house of cards a couple of
584
00:20:51,310 --> 00:20:52,000
years ago,
585
00:20:52,090 --> 00:20:52,360
I mean,
586
00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:55,210
there is one point the lighting they would use for some
587
00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:55,900
of the scenes.
588
00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:59,170
I would literally have to pause my TV show my husband,
589
00:20:59,170 --> 00:20:59,830
like what I'm like,
590
00:20:59,860 --> 00:21:01,870
I just need to look at this lighting for a minute.
591
00:21:01,870 --> 00:21:03,190
Cause it's so beautiful.
592
00:21:03,370 --> 00:21:07,060
So like you start to find things that you're drawn to
593
00:21:07,180 --> 00:21:08,920
in all these aspects of your life.
594
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:10,090
So yeah.
595
00:21:10,090 --> 00:21:10,870
So where,
596
00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:13,840
where have you found inspiration like that?
597
00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:15,490
Outside of pet photography?
598
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,040
Yeah. That that's exactly inspiration.
599
00:21:18,730 --> 00:21:19,780
What do you explain?
600
00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:23,110
And this is what I would advise to everybody to get
601
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:24,250
inspired in that way.
602
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:25,380
Like you said,
603
00:21:26,110 --> 00:21:28,030
from other types of photography,
604
00:21:28,030 --> 00:21:28,930
like wedding for you,
605
00:21:28,930 --> 00:21:29,380
for me,
606
00:21:29,380 --> 00:21:32,350
it was like children photography a lot.
607
00:21:32,590 --> 00:21:34,840
A lot of times really inspired me.
608
00:21:35,140 --> 00:21:35,860
And again,
609
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:36,700
like I said,
610
00:21:36,910 --> 00:21:39,310
it wasn't the same because I was using docs.
611
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,730
There is like no way dog is like a child in
612
00:21:42,730 --> 00:21:43,660
any aspect.
613
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:48,820
So I was inspired by like children photography or later in
614
00:21:48,820 --> 00:21:52,510
my later projects with landscape by of course Netscape photography,
615
00:21:52,750 --> 00:21:55,090
but also by the movies by movies,
616
00:21:55,090 --> 00:21:56,560
like Lord of the rings.
617
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,680
That was my all-time favorite movie since I was a little
618
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,940
kid. So all those landscapes and the mood of the movie
619
00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:05,020
was something that I love.
620
00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:07,060
And then I wanted to create something like this,
621
00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:07,840
but with docs.
622
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:10,060
So yes,
623
00:22:10,270 --> 00:22:10,810
I love that.
624
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:11,500
I love that.
625
00:22:11,860 --> 00:22:12,970
Yeah. Movies have,
626
00:22:13,150 --> 00:22:17,740
they have entire creative teams and lighting directors and art directors,
627
00:22:17,980 --> 00:22:18,400
you know,
628
00:22:18,460 --> 00:22:20,980
to bring to life just in a little bit of a
629
00:22:20,980 --> 00:22:21,910
different medium,
630
00:22:21,970 --> 00:22:22,300
you know,
631
00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:23,980
on video versus photography,
632
00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:27,730
but it's still light and it's still similar and they still
633
00:22:27,730 --> 00:22:29,350
might use some like color grading,
634
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:29,680
you know,
635
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,170
where they have the mood of,
636
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:32,530
you know,
637
00:22:32,530 --> 00:22:37,780
it's dark and cool and more mysterious versus like warm and
638
00:22:37,810 --> 00:22:38,110
you know,
639
00:22:38,110 --> 00:22:40,690
just all these different things that we can pull into our
640
00:22:40,690 --> 00:22:41,800
own artwork,
641
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,960
depending on what story we want to tell.
642
00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:46,900
Yeah. So homework for all of you guys is to get
643
00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:50,050
out and look for some inspiration that does not have a
644
00:22:50,050 --> 00:22:50,620
dog in it.
645
00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:53,410
Graphing horses,
646
00:22:53,410 --> 00:22:54,100
no animals.
647
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:54,970
Yeah, exactly.
648
00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:56,140
No the same thing,
649
00:22:56,140 --> 00:22:59,020
but I think the most important thing is to look yet
650
00:22:59,230 --> 00:23:01,450
outside of photography,
651
00:23:02,290 --> 00:23:04,150
we mentioned the TV show movies,
652
00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:06,610
but for me also big,
653
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,750
big beat part.
654
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,070
Maybe even the biggest,
655
00:23:09,070 --> 00:23:11,080
I would say it was music now.
656
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:12,090
Yeah. Yeah.
657
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:15,460
Like music and the lyrics of the musicians.
658
00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:16,030
I loved,
659
00:23:16,450 --> 00:23:19,660
I have so many captions of my photographs,
660
00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:22,780
like inspired from lyrics of the songs that I was listening
661
00:23:22,780 --> 00:23:24,070
to in that time,
662
00:23:24,850 --> 00:23:29,590
I even created pictures like a series of small series inspired
663
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:30,280
by a song.
664
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,580
It was my serious crystalline.
665
00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:36,220
It's part of craving miracles,
666
00:23:36,220 --> 00:23:39,190
serious of docs in breathtaking landscapes.
667
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:42,250
And the song was from Bjork.
668
00:23:42,370 --> 00:23:47,570
The song title was crystalline and she's about crystals growing under
669
00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:48,260
our feet.
670
00:23:48,410 --> 00:23:51,770
So I had this dream to take a dog to a
671
00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:53,810
black beach in Iceland with,
672
00:23:54,530 --> 00:23:54,890
you know,
673
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:59,450
ice, like part of glacier on the beach ice cubes,
674
00:23:59,510 --> 00:24:00,500
ice. Yeah,
675
00:24:00,890 --> 00:24:01,670
yeah, yeah.
676
00:24:02,090 --> 00:24:03,350
Glacier. Yeah,
677
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:04,650
exactly. Likes,
678
00:24:04,650 --> 00:24:05,150
likely thought.
679
00:24:05,150 --> 00:24:07,670
So I had a dream to take a picture like where
680
00:24:07,670 --> 00:24:11,390
the donkeys among those crystals under the feet and yeah,
681
00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:11,930
I did it,
682
00:24:12,020 --> 00:24:13,040
I did it.
683
00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:13,700
And it was like,
684
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:16,160
okay, that's a serious really inspired by,
685
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,150
by song,
686
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,110
by one song.
687
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,070
That's fantastic.
688
00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:21,770
Yeah. The inspiration is absolutely just everywhere.
689
00:24:21,980 --> 00:24:26,900
I actually have had a couple inspirations from dream time too.
690
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,590
And I,
691
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:28,070
I, man,
692
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:31,430
I think so much crazy stuff happens when you're sleeping and
693
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:32,300
your, you know,
694
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:36,500
your unconscious brain is connected to so much more than ourselves
695
00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:37,670
that yeah.
696
00:24:37,670 --> 00:24:37,970
You know,
697
00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:40,460
if you guys are looking for inspiration too seriously,
698
00:24:40,460 --> 00:24:41,630
this is going to sound crazy.
699
00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:42,380
And you're going to be like,
700
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,070
oh Nicole,
701
00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:47,030
woo cut off the deep end before you go to bed,
702
00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:47,720
just be like,
703
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,470
ah, help me find some different inspiration or where do I
704
00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:52,730
want to take my vision?
705
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:54,050
What do I want to create?
706
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,380
And then tell yourself to remember your dreams and pay attention.
707
00:24:57,380 --> 00:24:59,210
And it might not happen that night,
708
00:24:59,420 --> 00:25:02,600
but I guarantee you you'll start to notice different things,
709
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,370
whether you're asleep or awake,
710
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,200
but you need to be open to seeking that information.
711
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:09,010
Yeah. Oh wow.
712
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,370
Really? But from dreams,
713
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,240
but like,
714
00:25:11,420 --> 00:25:13,190
can you like say more about that?
715
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:15,260
Because that's the first time I hear about getting,
716
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,140
I actually have it's on my list to do,
717
00:25:18,140 --> 00:25:19,880
it's actually sketched out right next to me.
718
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,190
It's for print and competition image.
719
00:25:22,220 --> 00:25:24,740
And cause I've wanted to get more into compositing and that's
720
00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:28,370
been like really pulling me my interest.
721
00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:30,800
And so I'm a big believer as a fall.
722
00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:32,240
If you have an interest in something there's,
723
00:25:32,270 --> 00:25:32,990
there's something there,
724
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:33,710
go explore it.
725
00:25:33,890 --> 00:25:37,520
And I think it might be from all the COVID coronavirus
726
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,450
crazy, but I just had this idea.
727
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:40,400
It's literally a dream.
728
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,720
I woke up and I reached over,
729
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,160
I keep a pen and paper next to my bed and
730
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,930
I sketched it out and it's,
731
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:46,130
you know,
732
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:47,540
like me,
733
00:25:47,540 --> 00:25:51,140
all the shoveled and like my house was like picture on
734
00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:53,720
the side and my cat climbing the curtain and my dog
735
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,790
like chewing on a toy on the couch and like that
736
00:25:55,790 --> 00:25:57,410
kid kicking a ball off the wall,
737
00:25:57,620 --> 00:26:00,440
which is basically what I feel like my life has been
738
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,130
since March.
739
00:26:02,420 --> 00:26:03,710
So a bit of a self portrait.
740
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,770
Yeah. That's the inspiration from your life and from your dream,
741
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:14,330
can't wait to see this picture And now I just need
742
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:16,820
to like make the time to make it happen.
743
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:18,440
Also book,
744
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,330
have you read the book big magic?
745
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:21,380
Oh, I don't think So.
746
00:26:22,340 --> 00:26:22,730
Read it.
747
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:23,450
It's amazing.
748
00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:27,470
Big magic by Elizabeth Gilbert in that book,
749
00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:32,900
she talks about how these creative ideas basically have a life
750
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,900
of their own so that they,
751
00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:36,200
you know,
752
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,010
they come to you,
753
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:37,820
they come to us,
754
00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:40,460
our subconscious and it's up to us if we want to
755
00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:41,900
do anything with it or not.
756
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:43,170
But if we like,
757
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,190
we get it and we're like,
758
00:26:44,250 --> 00:26:45,000
oh one day,
759
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:45,420
one day,
760
00:26:45,420 --> 00:26:46,110
maybe, maybe.
761
00:26:46,110 --> 00:26:47,160
And we don't act on it.
762
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,290
Like eventually it might jump to somebody else.
763
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:51,330
Cause that that idea,
764
00:26:51,570 --> 00:26:54,990
this creative thing has this energy of its own that wants
765
00:26:54,990 --> 00:26:55,710
to be made.
766
00:26:56,130 --> 00:26:56,430
It's just,
767
00:26:56,430 --> 00:26:57,300
it's fascinating.
768
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:58,620
It's such an interesting book.
769
00:26:58,620 --> 00:26:59,400
And it talks about,
770
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,350
I don't know if you've had these experiences too,
771
00:27:01,530 --> 00:27:02,460
where, you know,
772
00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:03,570
you're just doing something,
773
00:27:03,570 --> 00:27:05,190
usually it's in the shower or,
774
00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:05,640
you know,
775
00:27:05,730 --> 00:27:08,040
somewhere where it's just like all of a sudden you get
776
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,560
this like download of information.
777
00:27:09,570 --> 00:27:10,020
It's like,
778
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:11,460
you've been thinking about something.
779
00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:12,270
How can I do this?
780
00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:13,020
How can I do that?
781
00:27:13,020 --> 00:27:15,240
And all of a sudden it's like here,
782
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:15,810
this is how,
783
00:27:15,810 --> 00:27:16,140
and you're like,
784
00:27:16,170 --> 00:27:16,650
oh my God.
785
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:17,130
Oh my God,
786
00:27:17,130 --> 00:27:18,060
I got to go write it down.
787
00:27:18,660 --> 00:27:19,060
Oh my God,
788
00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:22,500
everything has a sense.
789
00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:23,850
Everything makes sense.
790
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,960
Yeah. Yeah.
791
00:27:25,260 --> 00:27:27,570
So, so this book talks about that too.
792
00:27:27,630 --> 00:27:28,500
So it's really,
793
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,240
it's really pretty fascinating.
794
00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:30,780
So yeah.
795
00:27:30,810 --> 00:27:31,560
So I better,
796
00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:34,350
I better get to work on my disheveled self portrait before,
797
00:27:34,350 --> 00:27:35,970
before that idea jumps to somebody else,
798
00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:41,820
Put it on the whole podcast.
799
00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:44,250
So now I better get it done before this airs in
800
00:27:44,460 --> 00:27:45,270
mid September.
801
00:27:49,230 --> 00:27:50,490
I'm on a timeline,
802
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:51,750
but yeah,
803
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:53,450
no, and I totally get how that my,
804
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:54,780
my selfie dog series,
805
00:27:54,780 --> 00:27:57,570
like that kind of created the same way where I had,
806
00:27:57,570 --> 00:27:58,260
I got my dog,
807
00:27:58,290 --> 00:28:00,420
my Zoe dog about four years ago.
808
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,250
And you know,
809
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,300
she's trying to give pause,
810
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:05,850
she's trying to do all sorts of crazy silly little things.
811
00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:07,470
Cause she's a terrier and she wants to,
812
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,870
wants to please and kill small things,
813
00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:11,220
but please me.
814
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:12,720
But anyway,
815
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,140
I was like,
816
00:28:13,170 --> 00:28:13,680
oh man,
817
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,200
wouldn't it be awesome to have like this picture of a
818
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,370
dog taking a selfie?
819
00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:17,640
And I'm like,
820
00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:19,890
oh, I could totally train my dog to do Paul and
821
00:28:19,890 --> 00:28:21,330
hold the POL and move it to here.
822
00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:22,680
And then she's really good at it.
823
00:28:22,740 --> 00:28:23,940
But then I did it with her and I'm like,
824
00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:25,890
I wonder if I can do it with other dogs.
825
00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:27,060
So I started,
826
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:27,450
you know,
827
00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:29,400
doing this with some other dogs and it was just,
828
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,150
oh, you know,
829
00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:31,080
it's so fun.
830
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:37,680
And it it's so much more rewarding when you're able to
831
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,740
come up with something and you know,
832
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:42,840
you know that it came from your soul,
833
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,170
you know,
834
00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:44,970
that it came from your,
835
00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:45,570
you know,
836
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,360
your creative mind and oh,
837
00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:48,870
it's just,
838
00:28:48,930 --> 00:28:50,340
it's so rewarding.
839
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,370
It brings so much satisfaction because you are expressing yourself.
840
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,300
And as you said,
841
00:28:57,330 --> 00:28:59,940
you can just start from a really small thing.
842
00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:00,840
Like, oh,
843
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,170
I mean,
844
00:29:01,550 --> 00:29:03,600
you said picture with your dog with a part,
845
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,550
and then now maybe I can do this with more dogs
846
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,960
or places.
847
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,010
And it's just,
848
00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:10,050
it just starts with something small.
849
00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:12,300
Like it's important to,
850
00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:13,470
I think to say it out loud.
851
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:15,660
It's not like a big project in your head.
852
00:29:15,780 --> 00:29:16,830
Maybe something like this,
853
00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:19,800
but it can just start with something little that you need
854
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,890
to explore and dig inside yourself to,
855
00:29:23,130 --> 00:29:26,820
to create something bigger and bigger and just let it grow.
856
00:29:26,970 --> 00:29:28,920
Yes. You hit the nail on the head because I think
857
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,850
a lot of people expect that what this would look like
858
00:29:32,850 --> 00:29:33,660
for them is,
859
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,430
oh, I don't have this big grand vision,
860
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:38,850
but it usually doesn't come as a big grand vision.
861
00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:40,770
It usually comes as a oh,
862
00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:41,800
that's interesting.
863
00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:42,790
And you know,
864
00:29:42,790 --> 00:29:44,830
the same thing with somebody that says,
865
00:29:44,890 --> 00:29:45,250
all right,
866
00:29:45,310 --> 00:29:47,020
I am going to redo my website.
867
00:29:47,170 --> 00:29:49,120
You're not going to sit down and one day and redo
868
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,020
your whole website.
869
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:51,130
That's something where you're like,
870
00:29:51,130 --> 00:29:54,520
I have 500 steps and I just need to know steps
871
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,810
one through five right now.
872
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,890
So like,
873
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,720
as you start on this,
874
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,230
you know,
875
00:29:59,260 --> 00:30:04,000
the style exploration or this exploration of finding your project,
876
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:04,960
whatever, you know,
877
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,310
and you can have more than one project,
878
00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:09,790
but finding something that's unique and that you want to create
879
00:30:09,940 --> 00:30:11,140
starts with just,
880
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,880
huh. That's interesting.
881
00:30:13,030 --> 00:30:15,610
Well, I like to paddleboard dogs and water.
882
00:30:15,670 --> 00:30:16,930
What can I do for that?
883
00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:20,050
Maybe let me see if there's any models and you know,
884
00:30:20,050 --> 00:30:23,080
find a dog and just go out and play no expectations,
885
00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:24,250
not client work,
886
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,470
just get out there and start to explore.
887
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:29,380
And then it starts to take a life of your own
888
00:30:29,410 --> 00:30:29,980
of its own.
889
00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:33,010
And you start to get some more ideas and the path
890
00:30:33,010 --> 00:30:35,170
becomes clear or sometimes you start and you're like,
891
00:30:35,170 --> 00:30:37,180
no, this one isn't working so much.
892
00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:39,040
Maybe let's try this way over here.
893
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:40,570
So you will never,
894
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,540
the point of that long rambling story is you will never
895
00:30:43,540 --> 00:30:46,750
have this whole thing thought out that you just sit down
896
00:30:46,750 --> 00:30:47,380
and execute.
897
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,000
It's a process that,
898
00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:49,480
you know,
899
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:53,950
start small and then you just keep exploring and building it
900
00:30:53,950 --> 00:30:57,430
and trying new things and practicing and not,
901
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:59,710
and not being afraid to,
902
00:30:59,830 --> 00:31:01,510
to create stuff that stinks.
903
00:31:01,780 --> 00:31:03,400
Because during that process,
904
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,420
you're going to create stuff.
905
00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:04,840
That's like,
906
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:06,130
oh, that didn't turn out.
907
00:31:06,130 --> 00:31:06,730
As I thought,
908
00:31:06,850 --> 00:31:07,150
you know?
909
00:31:07,150 --> 00:31:10,630
So it's just having that freedom to explore and giving yourself
910
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:11,540
that freedom to,
911
00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:14,260
to fail on what you want to create,
912
00:31:14,260 --> 00:31:15,580
because then you learn,
913
00:31:15,580 --> 00:31:17,560
well, that's gonna a work and you have opportunities to try
914
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,100
other ways.
915
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,250
I agree with What I would love to add to what
916
00:31:21,250 --> 00:31:25,210
you said is that it's difficult and people need to know,
917
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,390
yes, it is difficult because I often hear about,
918
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,730
but it's so difficult to find a new idea,
919
00:31:30,730 --> 00:31:32,980
to find a new post-processing.
920
00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:35,770
Everything was done already or something like,
921
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:38,680
no, because you are who you are.
922
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,000
And if you explore it,
923
00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:43,090
you can find something new because there is no such person
924
00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:44,620
as you there's no second year,
925
00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:44,950
you know,
926
00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:47,410
and it is difficult.
927
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:49,240
And I like repeated it.
928
00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:49,900
I don't know,
929
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:51,130
five times or 10 times,
930
00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:54,100
but maybe then it's going to be remembered.
931
00:31:54,250 --> 00:31:57,520
Right? It's likely it's going to be remembered to do that.
932
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,330
To be unique,
933
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,650
to have a,
934
00:31:59,650 --> 00:32:00,040
you know,
935
00:32:00,070 --> 00:32:01,450
a unique style.
936
00:32:01,510 --> 00:32:02,830
It's not easy,
937
00:32:03,070 --> 00:32:05,140
but it's the right path to go through.
938
00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:06,700
And it's most rewarding.
939
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,420
I think I already know two choices evolve or repeat.
940
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,210
And because repeating is so easy,
941
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,770
there's like nothing easier.
942
00:32:14,770 --> 00:32:17,710
If you have the right to same gear and you see
943
00:32:17,710 --> 00:32:19,630
the idea and you see the dog and you see the
944
00:32:19,630 --> 00:32:21,820
place, then you can just go and do it.
945
00:32:21,850 --> 00:32:23,290
There is no fun about it.
946
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,670
There is no volume about it.
947
00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:26,170
And it's this the easy way.
948
00:32:26,270 --> 00:32:28,240
Yes. And a hundred percent.
949
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,080
Like if you're,
950
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:29,530
you know,
951
00:32:29,770 --> 00:32:30,580
you can't,
952
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:34,150
you can't lead from doing the same thing that's already been
953
00:32:34,150 --> 00:32:35,770
done. You know,
954
00:32:35,770 --> 00:32:36,490
it's just,
955
00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:38,380
it's just not how it works.
956
00:32:38,380 --> 00:32:38,620
You know,
957
00:32:38,620 --> 00:32:42,230
you're always playing catch up and if you're copying it,
958
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:43,100
a gazillion,
959
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:46,130
other people are copying it and there's no longer anything unique
960
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:46,670
in that.
961
00:32:46,910 --> 00:32:50,900
I did want to touch briefly on the process of learning
962
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:56,240
because there is a time and a place for copying something.
963
00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:57,500
But here's the caveat.
964
00:32:57,530 --> 00:32:59,690
You copy something to learn the technique.
965
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,250
It's not something you share.
966
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,410
It's not something you claim as your own.
967
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:04,820
It's something that may be,
968
00:33:04,820 --> 00:33:05,240
you're like,
969
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:05,810
oh man,
970
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:08,120
I would love to learn how that person did that.
971
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,830
Let me try to recreate it.
972
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:11,720
I recreate it for the lesson.
973
00:33:11,780 --> 00:33:13,250
I don't recreate it to create,
974
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:14,210
create that image.
975
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,820
And then you can take that lesson and mix that lesson
976
00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:18,410
up with other lessons that you've learned.
977
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:20,720
And then all of a sudden you do have something unique.
978
00:33:20,780 --> 00:33:23,720
You do have something that you created on your own.
979
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:24,890
So, you know,
980
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:27,110
I just want to make that distinction because this,
981
00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:29,810
this, this learning this copy to learn,
982
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:31,190
I don't think is a bad thing.
983
00:33:31,220 --> 00:33:32,270
I think that's okay.
984
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:35,300
But it's when you take that copied piece and you say,
985
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,950
oh, look what I did.
986
00:33:37,130 --> 00:33:38,270
I created this.
987
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:38,780
No, no.
988
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:41,780
The copied piece is just for you to learn a technique
989
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:44,930
that you then take that technique and apply it to other
990
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:47,030
ways, apply it to other images,
991
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:47,930
other dogs,
992
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,950
other locations,
993
00:33:49,010 --> 00:33:52,490
other, other techniques mixed in with that technique to again,
994
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:54,380
make something that's new and unique.
995
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,480
Yeah. I agree.
996
00:33:55,670 --> 00:33:58,190
100%. This is what needs to be,
997
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:58,520
you know,
998
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,730
said and repeated that this is what needs to be repeated.
999
00:34:01,730 --> 00:34:02,600
What you just said.
1000
00:34:03,650 --> 00:34:08,300
Like you just can't pay somebody's idea and shot and just
1001
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:09,530
posted us your own.
1002
00:34:10,070 --> 00:34:12,500
If you post a credit and ask the outer,
1003
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:15,110
if that's okay as like a tribute to someone,
1004
00:34:15,110 --> 00:34:16,400
then it's amazing.
1005
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,810
But like you don't just repaint because art and claim,
1006
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:21,560
this is yours,
1007
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:23,030
right? Like,
1008
00:34:23,090 --> 00:34:24,770
no. Right.
1009
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:26,990
Okay. Maybe I want to learn impressionist art.
1010
00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:28,310
So I try something,
1011
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:30,320
but you're not going to send it off to a gallery
1012
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:30,650
and be like,
1013
00:34:30,650 --> 00:34:32,450
look what I made Like,
1014
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,600
well, All right.
1015
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,680
That looks familiar.
1016
00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:40,220
Yeah. It just wouldn't work in like arts.
1017
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:41,600
It wouldn't work in music.
1018
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,400
It wouldn't work in books.
1019
00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:47,480
Yeah. No it's obvious and straight away like,
1020
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:47,990
oh, that's,
1021
00:34:48,140 --> 00:34:48,410
you know,
1022
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:48,920
a copy.
1023
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:49,760
That's not yours.
1024
00:34:50,060 --> 00:34:51,110
Yeah, Yeah.
1025
00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:51,920
A hundred percent.
1026
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,410
And I am also a big believer in karma.
1027
00:34:54,410 --> 00:34:56,300
And the energy that we put out in the world is
1028
00:34:56,330 --> 00:34:57,710
what's going to come back to us.
1029
00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:58,730
And if you,
1030
00:34:58,940 --> 00:34:59,360
you know,
1031
00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:01,160
knowingly go out and feel like,
1032
00:35:01,190 --> 00:35:03,020
well, this person's far away,
1033
00:35:03,020 --> 00:35:04,460
whatever. They'll never know.
1034
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,360
Number one,
1035
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:07,430
the industry is much smaller than you think.
1036
00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:08,330
Number two,
1037
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:10,040
like it's just,
1038
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,350
it's just not good practice.
1039
00:35:12,350 --> 00:35:14,000
It's not good karma that,
1040
00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:14,660
you know,
1041
00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:18,950
you can't expect to put something out that was created in
1042
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,440
an energy of really scarcity and lack because you're copying thinking
1043
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,780
that that's the only way forward that,
1044
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,420
well, this must be how I need to do this.
1045
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,500
If I don't do this,
1046
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:32,300
no, one's going to be interested in me.
1047
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:33,410
Like, I think it's,
1048
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:35,690
fear-based, it's like scarcity based,
1049
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:40,020
but it's actually completely false because if you took the time
1050
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:41,730
to start to create something,
1051
00:35:41,850 --> 00:35:43,440
that's uniquely yours.
1052
00:35:43,590 --> 00:35:43,920
And again,
1053
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,700
this takes time.
1054
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:46,590
You guys don't get down on yourself.
1055
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:47,070
If you're like,
1056
00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:48,900
man, I've been at this for a week and I can't
1057
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:49,350
get it.
1058
00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:50,340
Like it takes time.
1059
00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:53,130
I think it took me probably six or seven years before.
1060
00:35:53,130 --> 00:35:56,460
I really felt like I had an evolved style where I
1061
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:58,740
can look at my work and it looked different than other
1062
00:35:58,740 --> 00:35:59,430
people's. And,
1063
00:35:59,430 --> 00:36:02,670
but like cohesive that I kind of knew what,
1064
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,100
what fit into my style world.
1065
00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:06,870
So it takes time.
1066
00:36:07,050 --> 00:36:10,290
But I firmly believe that if it is just,
1067
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:14,760
you are thinking that copying someone successful is a quick ticket
1068
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,790
to success and it just doesn't work that way because the
1069
00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:21,450
energy behind it is not congruent with attracting,
1070
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,490
attracting what you're hoping.
1071
00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:25,170
It's just not ethical.
1072
00:36:25,170 --> 00:36:25,770
You know?
1073
00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:29,190
Like I think it's not about a law that should be
1074
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:29,910
more strict,
1075
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:31,950
I think for photography and like pleasure,
1076
00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:32,730
pleasure reason.
1077
00:36:32,730 --> 00:36:33,540
But yeah,
1078
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:36,120
about moral side and ethics,
1079
00:36:36,270 --> 00:36:37,560
like, yeah,
1080
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,340
it's so easy.
1081
00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:40,890
Oh, somebody took those sexist will picture.
1082
00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:43,500
So I will repeat them and I will get clients.
1083
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:44,670
I will get fame.
1084
00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:45,540
Like yeah,
1085
00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:47,820
no, that's just not ethical.
1086
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:49,260
That's just not right.
1087
00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:51,300
Yeah. I just think,
1088
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:51,750
you know,
1089
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:56,610
there are so many choices I'm like overwhelmed and my every
1090
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shooting or even before I'm so overwhelmed,
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but so many like possibilities and choices of place of a
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model of time of a day,
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like light.
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I mean,
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there is so much to pick from.
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Right, right.
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Yeah. I don't have the time to make them all to,
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you know,
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create all the beautiful pictures to go to all the beautiful
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places and to photograph all the beautiful,
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like so many beautiful breeds and so many beautiful mixed docs.
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And, you know,
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like there is so much to be covered by all the
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photographers. And I would love to see all those different things
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00:37:33,390 --> 00:37:36,570
like shown by others because I didn't have the time to
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show them all right.
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Yeah. There's so many things that are beautiful.
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Like for instance,
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I love a beautiful black and white image.
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For whatever reason,
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I cannot create a beautiful black and white image that I
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like to save my life.
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00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:51,090
But you know,
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there's just,
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00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:54,240
there's beauty in these other pieces that like,
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that's not going to be part of my style.
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It's not something I want to recreate,
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but you can appreciate the beauty and all these different styles.
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And if we all dig in to finding our unique vision,
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imagine how much more beauty we're going to bring to the
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industry and,
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and the world,
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which is always a great thing.
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And definitely in need of more beauty in the world at
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this particular moment in time.
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But yeah,
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the, to put a big,
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a big red bow on this episode that I think has
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been so good,
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I would love to just touch on one more thing.
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And that is to give people advice on how just to,
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to wrap up,
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we've kind of talked about it,
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but I want to wrap up with what steps people should
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take going forward to how they can start to determine their
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style and start to create things that are uniquely yours or
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theirs. So what advice do you have for people that are,
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you know,
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ready to dive into this endeavor and want to start figuring
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00:38:45,790 --> 00:38:49,890
out what their voices Like start looking around you,
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like open your eyes,
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open your mind for everything you have around stop blocking yourself
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and stop excuses.
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Like I often hear,
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oh, but I don't travel to beautiful landscape country.
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So I leave in a country with no beautiful places as
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kind of excuse not to create something.
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I know,
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you know,
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I think the step one is yeah.
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But open your mind for what you have open your mind
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for that.
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Don't block yourself with what,
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00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:21,790
what you don't have.
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Think about what you have.
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Just look on the bright side.
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00:39:24,910 --> 00:39:27,700
Like the simple thing that you say,
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00:39:27,730 --> 00:39:29,230
but it's just so true.
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00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:32,650
Yeah. And there's truly beauty anywhere.
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I mean,
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no matter where you're living,
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even if you were,
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you know,
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in a,
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00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,120
you know,
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00:39:37,150 --> 00:39:39,250
God forbid like war torn country,
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00:39:39,310 --> 00:39:43,990
like there still could be beauty in creation there there's,
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00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:44,320
you know,
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00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,600
there's, there's literally beauty everywhere.
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So that whole excuse.
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00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:48,940
I mean,
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certainly yes,
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I would love to,
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00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:51,220
you know,
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00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:53,860
go photograph on these beautiful vistas or,
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00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:54,490
you know,
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00:39:54,490 --> 00:39:56,110
here or there and a beautiful,
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00:39:56,650 --> 00:39:59,530
I would love to photograph on Charlotte's beautiful beach all the
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00:39:59,530 --> 00:40:00,820
time, but guess what?
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00:40:00,820 --> 00:40:01,720
I don't live in Brisbane,
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00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:02,770
so it's not going to happen.
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00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,900
I better enjoy my shores of lake Norman,
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00:40:08,170 --> 00:40:09,910
but you know,
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00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:13,600
there's, there's so much beauty around us And UDN stories to
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00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,050
be told,
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00:40:14,590 --> 00:40:15,250
like, you know,
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00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:19,510
it doesn't always have to be only about the pretty side
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00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:22,240
of photographs can be also a story to be told.
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00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,430
Every city has every person,
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every dog.
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00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:26,920
Yup. And relationships.
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00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:30,610
Yes. In most places stocks,
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00:40:30,610 --> 00:40:31,000
I mean,
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00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:32,410
yeah. I'm just like,
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00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:32,920
oh my God,
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00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,630
there's so many things to do,
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00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:37,510
you know?
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00:40:37,630 --> 00:40:38,470
Yup. Yeah.
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So yeah.
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Open your eyes that I think the second step is just
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00:40:41,410 --> 00:40:43,840
to get out there and practice and give yourself that permission
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00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,310
to create stuff that you don't like,
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00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:47,410
the create stuff that maybe might not turn out,
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00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:48,940
take the risk and try.
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00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,050
Cause you'll never know if you don't try and on those
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00:40:53,110 --> 00:40:55,450
tries is when you start to uncover,
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00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:55,960
you know,
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00:40:56,050 --> 00:40:57,220
oh, this works,
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00:40:57,310 --> 00:40:58,960
oh, what if I tweaked that?
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00:40:59,020 --> 00:41:00,760
That's where you start to uncover the magic.
1211
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So dust off that camera,
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00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,290
get out there and grab a dog,
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00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,250
grab the stuffed animal.
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00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:07,000
It doesn't matter.
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00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:08,650
Just go out and start photographing,
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00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:09,160
you know,
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00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:12,280
without a plan in mind without a,
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00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:14,290
oh, let me try to recreate this.
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Just go out and try to create something new.
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00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,660
Yeah. Give yourself freedom to do that.
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And freedom to make mistakes and freedom to make bad pictures,
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00:41:23,230 --> 00:41:25,360
but just do it and try to enjoy it.
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Because if you are stuck on some image that you have
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00:41:28,450 --> 00:41:31,300
in your mind and you want to do something similar,
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00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,920
you will just get lost in your mind and you will
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00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:34,730
lose energy.
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Something is beautiful.
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00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:37,520
Appreciate it.
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00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:40,450
And then just go and do your thing like that.
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00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:41,150
That's the way,
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00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:42,650
yeah. I love it.
1232
00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:46,820
Alicia, this has been such a good conversation.
1233
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,780
Thank you so much for making the time.
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00:41:51,020 --> 00:41:52,070
And this is going to be one.
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00:41:52,070 --> 00:41:53,930
I think that might live on in infamy.
1236
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,100
It's so good.
1237
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:58,520
Everyone required listening for everyone in the industry.
1238
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:59,530
Yeah. Thanks again.
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00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:01,700
Thank you so much for inviting me again.
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00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:05,330
And I loved that we could cover this topic and I
1241
00:42:05,330 --> 00:42:10,820
couldn't have this conversation with you and Kendall to be kind
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00:42:10,820 --> 00:42:11,330
of wait for it,
1243
00:42:11,330 --> 00:42:14,960
to be online and to hear people like opinions about it.
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00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:16,040
Yeah. That's awesome.
1245
00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:19,370
Yeah. And then go ahead and let everybody know where they
1246
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:20,510
can find you online,
1247
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:21,380
but guys,
1248
00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:23,660
just remember what we've talked about here.
1249
00:42:24,590 --> 00:42:28,700
Whenever we're sharing these conversations with all these amazing photographers here
1250
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:29,510
on the podcast.
1251
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:32,150
Yes. Remember this conversation,
1252
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:32,390
but yeah.
1253
00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:34,700
Let us know where we can see some of your beautiful
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00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:35,810
imagery. Yeah.
1255
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:38,480
So I have a fun page on Facebook,
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00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:40,940
Yasmin swastika photography.
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00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,940
And I think Nicole will give you a link because We'll
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00:42:43,940 --> 00:42:46,580
put a link in the show notes Thing.
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00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:49,430
You can really write it down from Weiss from my,
1260
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,590
so There is a page on Facebook.
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00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:55,700
There is my website.
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00:42:57,740 --> 00:43:00,230
we also need to have written down.
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00:43:00,230 --> 00:43:02,300
You can find me on Instagram.
1264
00:43:03,050 --> 00:43:05,630
Yes. And I think that's all my socials,
1265
00:43:05,630 --> 00:43:07,490
Instagram page or my website.
1266
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:08,690
Perfect. And yeah.
1267
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:10,010
And if this resonated with you guys,
1268
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:11,030
please feel free to reach out with,
1269
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:11,510
to us,
1270
00:43:11,540 --> 00:43:13,820
literally should know that you appreciate her conversation.
1271
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:14,930
Yeah, this was,
1272
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:15,620
this was great.
1273
00:43:15,620 --> 00:43:18,430
And definitely should be required listening for,
1274
00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:20,840
for all in a creative field.
1275
00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:23,210
So thank you again for joining us.
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00:43:23,330 --> 00:43:24,770
Thanks again for listening everybody.
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00:43:25,610 --> 00:43:27,800
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00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:11,720
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