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The First Sleepover
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Your kid’s first sleepover can feel like a tiny leap toward independence and a massive punch of parental anxiety. We’re talking through how we made the call, why we once said “no sleepovers” as a rule, and what finally changed when the invite came from a family we genuinely know and trust. The big takeaway is simple but hard: boundaries matter more than bravado, and the best safety plan starts with an honest conversation with your kid about confidence, discomfort, and calling home anytime.
From there, we zoom out to the wider reality of raising kids who move through unfamiliar rooms and unfamiliar adults. A youth group game played in the dark turns into a real talk about supervision, consent, and body autonomy for kids, plus how we handle faith conversations without pushing shame or fear-based morality. We’re trying to raise kids who understand choice, can say “no” early, and don’t feel trapped by rules they don’t understand.
We also get into the daily stuff that quietly crushes parents: developmental milestones, comparison, and the way parent guilt often lands hardest on the partner who’s home the most. Add in kids who have absolutely no fear, plus a school slang moment so awkward it sounds scripted, and you’ve got a full tour of what “different stages of parenting” really means.
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Cold Open And Dad Banter
SPEAKER_05So we're undergoing our first a first for parenting. Murph is at her first friend sleepover tonight.
SPEAKER_07This one being an only child that she's sleeping over with doesn't have the influence of an older sibling. Yeah. Where some of the other kids we've seen who have older siblings and learn some things from them pass down and then they kind of act older than they should be, kind of thing with some stuff. You hear stories or like even when kids are just playing the things that they were talking about, or I found out the kids were playing truth or dare outside, and I was like, you know what? We just don't need to play that game. And they're like, oh, like what were some of the dares being told and stuff? It's like, oh, somebody was dared to like lick a wall or something like that. And you're like, okay, like pretty harmless. Truth or dare tends to escalate into different zones. Abby was like, yeah, I always just pick truth. And I was like, Yeah, this is a smart idea, because you can always just lie if you want to. Like you legitimately don't have to tell the truth. Truth or dare if you don't want to.
SPEAKER_00If you got some time to collect your mind, come on.
SPEAKER_07The real dad podcast. Welcome to the real dad podcast. I'm Dave.
SPEAKER_08You came in hot there. I'm Joey. I just hit myself in the face with uh my mic. Jeez. I was gonna ask, if you do the br pr. Is that cultural appropriation? I think it's good. Probably. Hey Brian. Uh let's dad.
SPEAKER_05I feel like the key was you didn't start running with an accent.
SPEAKER_06I couldn't find it.
SPEAKER_07If I could have, I would have. I couldn't find it. Let's just say we're glad he didn't. So we've been watching the show, the second version of Jury Duty. It's a company retreat. And one of the guys in it, he's playing the CEO's son who's supposed to be taking over the company.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_07But he used to have uh like his backstory, because he's an actor, it's a fake guy. This backstory is that he was part of a ska band in Jamaica for years and they couldn't make it, so he had to come home to do this. So he does like the and like starts talking in a Jamaican accent, and then there's this black girl who works for the company, and she's like, mm-mm, mm-mm.
SPEAKER_03Can't do that.
SPEAKER_07Like she just shuts him down every time, and then he's so awkward about it. I'm like, oh yeah. So sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, okay, okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_08As my brother Tim always says, there's lots of white people in Jamaica too. There you go.
Newfoundland Food And Listener Shoutouts
SPEAKER_05Yeah, but uh, you know the real ones. Yeah. So no Mark with us tonight, in case you uh obviously uh you out there listeners noticed he didn't introduce himself. He's being a family man tonight, so he's been missing his family. He's been working a bunch, said he hasn't been home for a few weeks, so they shifted their uh movie night, family night to move tonight, which is when we're recording for this week. So we uh hope he has a wonderful family night at home and he made the correct choice, even though we'd rather have him here with us.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. And I think I have the ability to give a Mark update, even with him out here, because I follow him on Instagram. Very good. And he posted about a wonderful jig's dinner for Easter. So that means he got out of having to smoke the meat. Nice and his in-laws made a jig dinner, so he got out of it. Oh, the plan worked and he didn't have to cook dinner for the family.
SPEAKER_05I am looking forward to it though, because he said in that last cast that apparently they were gonna think about passing over the jigs dinner to him and Robin to see if they could take over and cook it now, based on how they're last smoking went.
SPEAKER_07I just don't know they're ready.
SPEAKER_05It's a big we haven't even attempted it. And like we've been doing Jigs dinner with Meg's family now for since whatever. Uh, but they do it for like probably three times a year Easter, Christmas, Thanksgiving, at the minimum.
SPEAKER_07Can you tell me what a Jig's dinner is? Just for the uh the Americans who don't quite know the language.
SPEAKER_05It is like in simple terms, it is just a Thanksgiving dinner. So it is a turkey dinner that you make. Now there's certain things that they will do or like have in a jig's dinner that make it a Newfoundland tradition. So one of the things is cinnamon pudding. So this isn't a pudding like a semi-liquid that you're used to eating, it's a bread pudding. So it's bread, cinnamon. They make a bread pudding called cinnamon pudding. It's a very traditional part of it. Um I'm trying to think what else is.
SPEAKER_08You know, there's lots of potato salads.
SPEAKER_05Lots of potato salads, many different kinds. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07So there and there's some salty meat of some sort.
SPEAKER_05Salt meat. There's always salt meat. It's literally salt. It's just salt meat. Yeah, it's just called salt meat. It's just it's a red meat and it is the saltiest. Like ham? You will yeah, I think it I'm honestly not sure what type of meat it is, if I'm gonna be certain.
SPEAKER_07Salt meat or if it is even meat at all.
SPEAKER_05Because they call it salt meat. That's the thing with me. With goofy culture, that's the thing, right? You never know what the thing is, you just know what it's called. You just know it's salt meat because that's what anybody calls it. So yeah, and I'm sure like anything, everybody's is a little bit different, but yes, those are the things involved in Meg's families. But we like, yeah, Meg and I aren't even considering taking over Jig's dinner for a good decade or so.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, don't. Until the kids are old enough to help cook it, don't yeah, exactly. Um, I'm gonna give a quick shout out to um some people who commented on our Instagram, and I felt really bad for not manning our Instagram and getting back to these people sooner because some of them were like from December and uh January. So I felt bad, but we've had some babies born. Um Nick Martinez messaged and his last message was that um his wife's due in a couple weeks. That was back in March. So I think babies come now. Yeah, congratulations, Nick. Yeah, um, Chris Leary, who is one of our Patreon members. They're doing well, they're home, and they he was the one who had a son who is going through some difficulties. So they have a physical therapist that's helping him learn to hold his head up. Um, and he's getting better and stronger in amazing. Love to hear Liam Coughlin had a baby boy, and he has been listening to the podcast. Love it, and thanked us for helping him through that. And he loves the comic relief.
SPEAKER_05Full naming everybody, please continue.
SPEAKER_07Um, Kevin Molina. Yep. He had a baby earlier and had sent us, but they are home, healthy, doing well, and he sent some baby pictures which were super adorable. Fantastic. Um, he said that the podcast is helping him get through the long nights. Perfect.
SPEAKER_08That's what we're here for. We'll try to be here more often. You're welcome.
SPEAKER_05I mean, we've got like 150 plus episodes. Yeah, so go back, listen. Plenty of content.
SPEAKER_07Keegan Reynolds. Um, their son is born two weeks early. They were still in hospital, but everybody was happy and healthy. That was back in February. So I hope everyone is still happy and healthy in home. He's active on Instagram right now, but he still hasn't read my message, so he's probably a little, you know, butter that I didn't read his earlier. That's fair. He's making me wait, which I respect. That's fair. We made it. Um, Paul Cronin was in the messages too. Yeah, yeah. He didn't have a new baby or anything, but but Paul's been messaging me and sending me some funny gifts and stuff like that. So Paul just let you know we love you and we're always thinking of you.
SPEAKER_08Absolutely.
SPEAKER_07Um, our boy Jeff Gill, have you seen him on Instagram lately?
SPEAKER_08Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_07He is dropping some hot beats. Yeah, he's getting right into it, eh? He is good. Love it. Like, you don't have to fake it. When you I think I've said this before of like when you have like a friend who's trying something new and you're like, Yeah, great. So good. Good for you being you. Love that. But when his music that he drops, I'm like, this is legit good. And I showed my son, and even he was like, You know that guy? I was like, Yeah, I know that guy.
SPEAKER_08Speaking of Patois, by the way, he has family down in the Caribbean. Oh, and so that's how he's allowed to have a very good accent, very good, yeah. Like legit. So it's a joy to listen to.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, and then one other shout out to uh Jeff Ryan. Yeah, Jeff Ryan, you're an absolute beauty of a human being, and I love that a friendship has been born through you finding our silly little podcast. Um, Jeff lives up near where we had bought this cottage, and we've been messaging a bunch. He's checked in on the place for us a few times, he's offered to leave his trailer with tools for us on the weekends when he's working, and if we need them, like this man would give you the shirt off of your back. Nice. And he is a paramedic by trade, and then he's also a tradesman on the side.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_07Brian told me to watch um Code Three with Rain Wilson, yeah, which follows the life of a paramedic in a 24-hour shift. And it's crazy. Yeah, when you watch this show, it makes you want to just go find a paramedic and give them a hug. Right. Yeah. So after I watched it the next day, I sent him a message and it was just like, Are you okay, man? Like, just so you know, I'm always here for you if you need anything. And like, you are a hero. Thank you for everything that you do and all the people you help, like all the love for you. And then Joey and I, the last time we were at the cottage, he was um doing a shift. He was kind of going, he switched his shifts up and he's doing like uh house check-ins, and he was doing one on the road near us, so he popped in for a quick little hug and we got to have a little chat. But just such a beauty of a human being, Jeff. I appreciate you um and everything you do. You're an amazing person, and all paramedics out there, and all nurses, and all people who just do not get appreciated for all of the hard work that they do. Um, the firefighters and the police and the doctors and surgeons can get the glory. You guys are putting the work in the trenches, and thank you, thank you, thank you for everything you do.
SPEAKER_05And we wouldn't be parents without those people existing because they're the ones who get the babies in.
Brian’s Birthday And Aging Weirdness
SPEAKER_07Um somebody else was born recently. Um, on uh what day is today? Yeah, it was yesterday. This person was born um back in 1988. That's right. Our Brian James Jensen has officially had a birthday.
SPEAKER_08Yep, yep, yep. How does it feel? You know, it's starting to feel like I'm getting real close to 40. But I was saying what I still feel like in my 20s in my brain. Right. Just not my body. Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05So like, are we that old though?
SPEAKER_07Like, you know what I mean? When you look at Logan and Andreas, you realize that you are getting that old. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05But it still doesn't, I don't know. It's one of those weird bodies. We're it's one of those, like, I remember in my like late teens and twenties. You see the the dads playing softball. Where you're like, yeah, those guys are dads, those guys are in their 40s. Like, those are we're not there yet.
SPEAKER_07We're cusping it though. We're definitely cusping it. We're so close. So I'll tell you this, Joey. We're gonna get back to Brian's birthday, but just in to show you that you aren't young anymore. Yeah, um, I went to visit a client today, and it was a client that we did a decked out episode for back in 2012.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_07So they've shown reruns of this all over the time, but we were chatting and they were laughing about it, and they were there was a spot on the deck that was like, Yeah, it's really tight back there. And they're like, actually, in the show, it was like Joey was the only one who could fit in there. So then they made a few jokes about like this the the husband made a few jokes, referencing it a couple times, and then he made one more, and he was like, Yeah, only Joey would be able to fit in there. And I was like, You haven't seen Joey in a while. 38-year-old Joey ain't fitting back there.
SPEAKER_0524-year-old?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I get that. I was like, he's put on some muscle. I'm like, those shoulders are not the same as 2012 Joey's shoulders. No, no. You're not that same kid. You're not that 20-year-old, yeah. It's 2012. How old would you have been?
SPEAKER_0514 years. So for 24. 24. Yeah. 24 years old. That's the longest.
SPEAKER_08Wow to think that like I graduated high school 20 years ago. Right? Yeah. It's gross. It doesn't feel that long ago, right?
SPEAKER_07But it is. Yeah. And then when you have kids going through school and realizing like how little of a blip of their life it will go is, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Well, that's the thing. Like, we've been out of high school longer than Andreas, one of our guys, has been alive. Right. He's 19. We've had his whole lifetime since high school. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Now we're just pushing 40 and still trying to figure life out.
SPEAKER_05Still trying to figure it out. The thing is, we thought we had it figured out back then.
SPEAKER_07That's true. And then you're I mean, back then we had it figured out for that era, like for that time zone. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08I was in a good zone at that time.
SPEAKER_07Um, so so how was the birthday, Brian?
SPEAKER_08It was great. You know, my uh my birthday is always great if it involves some good food. So had some good food, had a good lunch with Joey and the crew there at work, and then uh I asked for some uh a chicken. I couldn't think of what I wanted to eat for dinner, so I feel like a chicken sandwich is just a good fallback for me. And she crushed my wife crushed that.
SPEAKER_05Oh, amazing.
SPEAKER_08That was delicious. It did look good. We got the picture of it, and it looked very tasty. Jeff asked for a picture, that's why I sent it. So uh yeah, highly recommend frying chicken at home because it's delicious.
SPEAKER_05Home fried cheeky.
Taking Kids To A Jays Game
SPEAKER_08Yeah, and then uh on the weekend we did a little celebration uh with my family, and we went to our very first Jay's game as a family. And you know, those are just nerve-wracking scenarios because you just never know how it's gonna go. And it went very well. Trekking into the city with the kids. Did you take the train or did you drive? Uh the train was shut down actually. Okay. So we drove to Fairview and then we took this subway down from Fairview just for like it's not the fastest way to get downtown, but it was a blast. A little bit of excitement for the kids. Go on the subway, get to like transfer subway cars. Uh it was a little flashback too, because that's where I used to pick Maddie up when she would come into the city like from London. Oh, cool. So yeah, it was cool doing that with her. And yeah, it was just great. And the kids are all big Jays fans now, apparently. Amazing, amazing. The game was terrible, but I was telling everyone that it made it easy to like an easy decision to leave your seats and like kind of look around the ballpark because they have so many new things now to check out. So we did that, and then we got to go. We did junior Jays. Nice Sunday Sundays at the Rogers Center are junior Jays days, and so we uh went down on the field after the game. That's awesome! Like you're not supposed to go on the field, yeah.
SPEAKER_07But like you have to stay in the outfield, or you're not what do you mean not supposed to go on?
SPEAKER_08The parents aren't supposed to go on the field. Only the kids are allowed to run the bases, but the the secret is okay you're if your kids are acting up, they're just like, you know what, just go, just go. Like and they helped them so I got to run the bases. And I'm pretty sure I liked it more than anybody else.
SPEAKER_06I'm making the turn. It was a man dust.
SPEAKER_08I loved it. And I'm pretty sure that's the first time I've ever done that. Yeah, I've never done it. Yeah, it was awesome.
SPEAKER_05I remember being on field level once, but it wasn't during a game. We went down there for with the school to do like some random. There was a fair down there. I think it was an indigenous fair, and it was weird being down on the field, just like seeing all the seats all around you. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08And when you come out onto the field, you're in like uh left field. So it's just like right away, I like looked up and I'm like, that's where Kevin Pillard jumped over the wall. Yeah, right. But it's like it was so cool. Like just like there's a lot, so many big moments, and then I was like, oh wait, this is where that uh they caught Ernie Clements fly ball that we thought was gonna win us the World Series next year. Literally right there.
SPEAKER_07Oh, that's so cool.
SPEAKER_08But yeah, it was great. It was a good thing. How did the kids do on the subway? Kids did great on the subway. Uh they were like super because the subway now is way cooler than when I was on the subway lived down there because it's all you can see right from one end of the subway right down to the there's not like separate car. Well, there is, but they're open. Cool. Um, Maddie was a nervous wreck the whole time, but I was just like, whatever.
SPEAKER_07Nervous, like trying to keep track of the kids.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, like don't go too far, like make sure you're holding on to something. Right. Which is fair, but like it was fine. It was they had a blast. So there when they were like the uh in between the cars, it's like kind of like an accordion floor, like it kind of bends and moves, so they were having a blast like standing on that. Oh just like surfing it. Uh but yeah, it went really well. I I we're definitely gonna do it again. It was kind of a trial run, and we're like, this works.
SPEAKER_05Where did you where were your seats?
SPEAKER_08Uh in the 500s.
SPEAKER_05In the 500s, okay.
SPEAKER_08So we were up there, yeah. Um, and it but it was good. And then uh in the eighth inning, we went down and we were on the rail of the five hundreds. Yeah, it's a little nerve-wracking. Maddie was not having so she was like a nervous wreck, she wouldn't come down with us, yeah. And then I was there with the three kids, but I was like, you look over that railing, I was like, Leo, if you fall over this, you're going to die. So like do not stand or sit in your seat, or like you're not allowed to climb. Yeah. The first thing Crew did was like try to climb like up the wall on the railing. It's like hard no.
SPEAKER_06I let you do a lot of things, but this is a no. I gotta draw the line here.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it's wild that there hasn't been, and maybe there hasn't been such a hard drop. Such a drop. And it's so steep up there.
SPEAKER_08It is, yeah. It stairs down, yeah, it gets uh nerve-wracking. Especially during like a wild game, like just stand up and get bumped or something. It wouldn't take much. The railing's not that high.
SPEAKER_05No, they need to they need to fix that. Yeah, I remember when we took the kids last year in the summertime, and it was like dead of friggin' July, and we sat up in the 500s, and it was sweaty and it's steep, and it was that was a tough experience. Like they did not want to be there. I'm like, ah, we gotta go back when it's like this time of year. Right. Or like end of the year. Obviously, I'd love to take them in like September baseball when it's like meaningful, that place gets bumping. Like, yeah, I definitely want to get them into at least one game this year.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it would have been a totally different experience if it was hot, like and the roof was open. Because we were like we were in the heat zone, like we would have got cooked, yeah. But uh yeah, it was a blast.
SPEAKER_07See, I think that is another sign that you're an old dad, right? And like in a good way, yeah. Because like thinking of you taking the family down on the subway and transferring subways, meandering the streets of downtown and finding your way. I can remember my dad doing those types of things and being like, How do you know? How do you know where we're going? How do you know? How do you know all of these things and all of these places? How do you know that this car is going that way and that one's going that way? I have no idea. Like when you're a kid, you're following around your parent into all of these places, and you're like, you get out and you see these massive like skyscrapers, and you're like, you're completely lost in the world. You've gone from your little suburban house, your your sidewalk and backyard, yeah, and your school, like your bubble is so small. Yeah, and I remember some of those first trips into the city just being like, Holy crap, like, where am I right now? And like clinging to my dad, like with being worried that you're gonna get lost in like the shuffle of people, especially like when you go into a stadium and like there's everybody going in, and like it's a busy place, like people getting drinks, and like I totally remember those feelings of being like scared that you're gonna get lost or miss them and lose your way or something like that. But it's like, no, like your dad knows, like dad knows where we're going. Just keep an eye on dad, and you're gonna be good, right? And I can totally imagine Brian in this situation of just like confident dad, just walking around with the kids, like, yes, let's go. Even if I don't know where I'm going, I'm holding my head up like I do know where I'm going.
SPEAKER_08In Union Station, I was a little lost a couple times because it's very new compared to when I lived down the town. It's completely different. So there was a couple like uh AI, like, how do I get from here to here?
SPEAKER_05Right. It is wild how much it changed. Like completely different. So it used to be so easy.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Once you find like the old section, I'm like, ah, now I'm at home. Yeah. Yeah. Like taking the skywalk or whatever across. It was great. Oh, so good. Yeah, I love that. Highly recommend. Yeah.
First Friend Sleepover Safety Talk
SPEAKER_05Good times. So we're undergoing our first uh tonight. Uh, a first for parenting. Murph is at her first friend sleepover tonight. Oh, interesting. So it's been an interesting week sorting this out because it's something that Meg and I had agreed, I think, a couple of years ago. We talked about this with our kids. Yeah. Um, and it was gonna be an absolute no. We said we're not gonna do friend sleepovers. We both had experiences growing up that we were like we've had been bad experiences. And we're like, nope, it's we'll do cousins, we'll figure out that with family, but it's just gonna be a no for us. And then we had one of her friends. The mom reached out and they're going, tomorrow's a PA day, that's where we are. So that she's going to camp with this best friend. Okay. Um, so she reached out to being like, Hey, Gabby asked to see if Murph wanted to have a sleepover before camp, and then we can take her to camp for you. And she had reached out to Meg individually, and I'd say Meg was probably even farther on the no side than I was. Um and she was like, I didn't have that automatic no reaction. She's like, That's weird. Now, this is a family that we've gotten to know very well. So it's Murphy's best friend. They've headed off really well, so we've gotten to know the parents really well because they've spent a lot of time together, like so many play dates where they've she's been at our house, Murph's been over at their place, but always just obviously during the day. Um so yeah, we ended up Meg and I had a couple of long conversations about it of like, is this something we're actually gonna consider here? Like it's the ideal scenario as far as we were concerned, where it's like we know the parents really well. She's an only child, her best friend, so it's like there's no other siblings that are involved or at home at the same time. Um Yeah, the biggest thing is knowing the parents really well. And like the dad's the teacher, they're close by too. They're close by the street. Literally the street behind our street. And I think one of the main things that changed it for me because there was the concept and how we talked about it years and years ago, but we hadn't had meaningful or difficult conversations with Murph yet at that time. Right. Where now Murph's nine years old, and we've tried to be pretty forward with Murph. We're like in our parenting journey, we just decided as she asks things, and it was something we learned about through therapy as well, with doing it with Murph and doing it with each other um as far as therapy sessions, where we don't want to over inform her. Yeah, but if she's gonna ask the question, we're gonna give the answer. And it also gave us the ability to have that conversation pretty bluntly with her and to say this was gonna be a no for us, and these are the reasons why it was gonna be a no for us. Um, and just had a very frank, upfront conversation with her about our fears, why we were uncomfortable with it, why even though we are going to we're gonna say yes, we're still uncomfortable with it. Yeah, and like kind of making sure she was aware, but also like the biggest thing for us was like one, if she's confident to speak to them, and then two, if she's confident to reach out to us. Like you need to be able to use your voice, if anything, like anything, anything, anything, you need to be able to reach out and you need to be able to touch base with us and know that we're there no matter what the time is. Like, our biggest thing is you not being uncomfortable. So that's where she is right now.
SPEAKER_07Okay, okay. Is that adding to your anxiety bubble that you have? Honor how are you feeling?
SPEAKER_05I don't think it's adding too much to it. Okay, I think it would have been a big part of an anxiety bubble if I didn't already have the bubble. So I guess I'm able to just brush aside.
SPEAKER_07I think the cool thing about you having the conversation with her is that sometimes kids, because you say yes to one thing once, then it means yes for life. Yeah. But it's one of those, like, in this situation, it's a yes and we're gonna let this happen. Situationally, it fits and checks the boxes for your safety, her safety. Yeah, you feel comfortable. That doesn't mean that if all of a sudden some other kid from school is like, hey, I want to have a sleepover or a Murphy sleepover at my place, right? But then you don't know the family as well. They've got an older brother, yeah, they've got the situation is different now, and it's like now we don't quite feel the same way we did before. But to a kid, that's really hard for them to understand. Where it's like, why? I I slept over there, why can't I sleep over here? But having had that conversation, it's like, well, these are the reasons why this is a little different, and it allows you to maybe continue to have that conversation as to as opposed to just it being a yes forever type thing.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and then we were very purposeful to to hit that exactly, like that context. Because that's the words I said to her. I was like, just because this is a yes doesn't mean it's going to be a yes next time. Um, and like we laid out a few scenarios where it's like it's gonna be a no if it's a group sleepover. Like that's one of the big ones where it's like we're not down with that. And I don't know that we ever will be, even when you're a friggin' 15 or 16-year-old teenager. Like it might still be a no, and that might seem unfair. This is not an age thing. You've reached nine now, so you've reached the sleepover threshold. Like this wasn't a yeah, this wasn't a matter of you getting older and us saying, Okay with it. It's just literally this scenario right now. Yeah, we're gonna try it. But it's more than likely, I think is why I said a no for the next time.
SPEAKER_08So just gear yourself up for well, because you guys might even like not to say you are going to, but you might even not like tomorrow, you might wake up and be like, eh, didn't really like that. Right. We're not gonna do that again. Yeah, like you never know.
SPEAKER_07And it's okay as a parent to change your mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What you do. Absolutely. Um, there was something I was gonna say. Oh, she's kind of in, if anything, a good window for sleepovers. Because from watching kids grow up and watching my son's friends, watching some of my other daughters' friends, and even neighbors and stuff like that. Kids like this one being an only child that she's sleeping over with doesn't have the influence of an older sibling.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Where some of the other kids we've seen who have older siblings and learn some things from them pass down, and then they kind of act older than they should be, kind of thing with some stuff.
SPEAKER_05Um or they just think that's the thing that you do during sleepover. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_07So you just you hear stories, or like even when kids are just playing the things that they were talking about, or playing, like I found out the kids are playing truth or dare outside, and I was like, you know what? We just don't need to play that game.
SPEAKER_01And they're like, oh, but what were some of the dares being told and stuff?
SPEAKER_07It's like, oh, somebody was dared to like lick a wall or something like that, and you're like, okay, like pretty harmless, truth or dare tends to escalate into different zones. Um, you know, and Abby was like, Yeah, I always just pick truth. And I was like, Yeah, this is a smart idea because you can always just lie if you want to. You don't have to tell the truth, truth or dare if you don't want to. Yeah. But it was just one of those, like, those are the things that can happen. Yeah. It's like, it's just the escalation of it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and that was part of Meg and I's discussion, as it is that kind of interesting age for it, where it's like the things that happened with Meg and I were both older. We were both in that like grade seven to grade like 10 range, because again, that's the peak of hormones and yeah, kids doing stupid things, especially when you have multiple kids together in a room for an evening. Right. That's when things go sideways. So it's like this is kind of that still fun, innocent age, if you want to call it that. It is. Um, yeah, we didn't want to not have her have an experience like this because it can be good. And like that was what I was connecting with, where like I had my one buddy, John Abraham, growing up, where like that was him. He was an only child, it was just him and his mom. And like we had sleepovers growing up when I was around Murph's age. It was like that grade three to grade five, and it was the best. Like, we just would play video games. The worst memory I have from that was one night he wanted to stay up all night, and I wasn't about it. Right. He's like, No, let's just keep playing, keep playing. I'm like, fuck dude, I just want to go to sleep. Um, but it was that, it was just fun to be a kid outside of your house without your house rules and just having fun with a buddy and having a sleepover. I remember that being good.
SPEAKER_07Sleepover, you just get a bottle of Dr. Pepper and play NFL Blitz as late as you can. So good.
SPEAKER_05Another level.
SPEAKER_08The only time I remember being at a sleepover and feeling like really homesick. Yeah. And my buddy's dad, uh, he's like, let's go get some chocolate ice cream. So we went down, it was like, I don't know what time it was, but like we just had a bowl of chocolate ice cream and I went and I was fine and ate it the rest of the night. But that's an all-star daddy whoever that guy is. What a chance!
SPEAKER_05It was great. I don't know why this just popped into my head. Well, chocolate ice cream. Have you guys ever done chocolate ice cream and rice krispies?
SPEAKER_07No, sounds fantastic. Tell me how you pour rice krispies into the bowl.
SPEAKER_05So the way I used to do it was get the ice cream and then like smash it up so that it's a little bit more like soft serve and then do the uh rice krispies. Now, the thing is you gotta eat it pretty quick. Oh, yeah, because it gets soggy and you don't want that action. So it's like you don't want it to be like microwaved ice cream because I've done that in the past too when I was a kid. I was dumb to make it like a milkshake. Doesn't work out very well. But you just mash it up, you don't want it to be liquidy, throw some rice krispies on there, mash them in, eat it up. It's like got that like crisp to it. It's almost like a comb.
SPEAKER_08I best you if you toasted those rice crispies first a little bit first and then did it.
SPEAKER_07I did it with uh cinnamon toast crunch and vanilla ice cream. Well, a little bit uh thermal dust.
SPEAKER_05This sounds like adulthood. That's like a kid move. That's what we do in here. That's like within the year, probably. That is last time. Probably gonna do that when I get home.
Youth Group Trust And Faith Questions
SPEAKER_07Love music when toast girls. So good. Um funny you bring up the story about Murphy going for that and having those conversations. We had a similar conversation with Aria recently. Um, she has a friend who goes to a youth group, and she's been going to this youth group with her friend. Um, it's more of like a church church than our church is, if that makes sense. Like they do actual Bible stuff and things. Right. Um, but then we're like, oh, how was it? And she's telling us, and they're like, oh, we played this game. Uh, I think it's called Underground Church, they call it. And they turn off all the lights in the church and certain people hide, and you're trying to find them. And then when you find them, you hide with so it's kind of sardines-esque. Okay. Um, but then there's people with flashlights that can find you. And if you get caught, then you have to go to like one of the pastor, yeah, one of the pastors, and you have to answer a Bible question to get freed. And she was like, I don't know any of them. Like, why don't I know these? And we're like, because we don't think the Bible matters as much as other Christians think it matters. Uh this is awkward, but it was like she's explaining the game, and like the second she said, like, we turn all off all the lights and we have to hide. And I'm like, So you stay with your friend the whole time though, right? She's like, Yeah, there's like a group of five of us, and we always like run around together and sit together. It's like, okay, good, thank God. Oh my god, okay, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Yeah. Because like anytime you're sending your kid to somewhere that you don't know the other people that are there, yeah, it's nerve-wracking. Yeah, it is a scary experience. You would think sending them to a church would give you a peace of mind, but it doesn't. If anything, it makes you worried a little bit more. 20, 30 years ago, did I remember being in youth group and playing sardines, and that's where I met my wife. Yeah. So yada yada yada. This experience is one of those, like she's also in that cusp of that innocence bubble where she doesn't quite know what things are and stuff like that. Like the terminology, or she has that innocence about herself. But it's like, just so you know, like you're never gonna be alone with another man in this game or in this church or in this scenario. And it allowed us to kind of like have that conversation. Why? Like, why? Like, well, because of this, and like have the talk kind of thing, which was good to be able to have, and then her questioning some of the faith stuff of like trying to understand like why we've gone to church and we've taken her to church growing up, but then this one is just very different and like asking and answering questions about that, and it's like, well, yeah, this is very interesting right now. Like, we're working through things as adults, but we also don't want you to experience some of the same things that we did as far as shame and what the religious indoctrinations can be or entail. Um, we want you to be able to be a kid and enjoy being a kid and not have to worry about if you make a wrong decision, you're going to hell. And just enjoy that process of being a child. And that doesn't have to be your your reason to be a good person. I think that's one of the things I've been working through even as an adult, where it's like sometimes I think back to growing up in the church and being like, well, it taught me morality, like it taught you what is good and what is bad, and what is right and what is wrong and how to treat people. And there are good things to that, but it doesn't have to be that isn't the only route that you teach kids how to do that. And a lot of the times you're being taught that in possibly like a negative way, because if you then don't do good, then you're gonna burn and go to hell. Right. So it's like, oh god, like if I fuck up, then I'm gonna die and burn in eternity. Like, what the hell?
SPEAKER_05That seems a little bit more. Yeah, I don't want that for you.
SPEAKER_07So, like, we're gonna work around that in a different way for you guys. So it's just interesting having more adult conversations with kids as they start to grow up.
SPEAKER_05And it's so interesting that like it's it feels like it, anyways, and social media tells me that it is, but it feels like it's our generation that isn't shying away from these conversations, right? Where it's like these it feels like no other generation has no other generation of parents, where it's like they always felt like they had to be on one side of the fence or the other.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_05It was either you were an atheist over here, so you just taught your kids that religion isn't real and anybody who relieves it is has their head in the clouds and they're dumb, or you're on that side of the fence and this is the one and only way, and everybody else is wrong and going to hell. It's like, what are we doing? Yeah, like where's the openness? Where's the ability to say humans are humans and they're gonna believe different things, and that's okay. And like sometimes you have to admit that you're wrong too, and have a tough conversation with your kid around that.
SPEAKER_07I mean, it still exists, and I think there were parents having those conversations even when we were younger, we just weren't a part of them. Yeah, fair enough. Because not in my house. Thinking about it now, like Arya came home and she was sad one day because a kid was like it was getting close to Easter, and a kid was making fun of her for being a Christian.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_07And then I was like, what? That's a thing. And then she's like, Joy kind of had a talk with her about it of like, well, he didn't learn that on his own. And when you understand, it's like his parents have clearly said something, or he's regurgitating something that he's heard, and it's like some people still very much are cut and dry. You're either dumb or you're not, you're this or you're that, or you're right or you're wrong, and still live in that world. Absolutely. I think it's just that we have kind of opened up our brains into a more broad spectrum of thinking and seeing people and seeing life in many different ways, and that life can still be good in many different ways.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I guess I'm just hopeful that there are more parents open-minded out there, right? But it is just it's a it's a fact.
SPEAKER_07But you turn on TV, Joe, there are still a lot of dumb dums out there.
SPEAKER_05It's true. Yeah, I think it's a byproduct of the algorithm, too, right? Like I get fed that content that is parents supporting the ability to be open-minded and teach your kids that yeah, choice exists. It's like those are the things that do anchor those awkward discussions, though. Of like, that's one of the biggest things we're trying to teach Murph is choice. And like, especially around her body, you get to choose who touches you, however, that is. If somebody touches you on the shoulder and you don't like it, you are letting them know that you don't like it. Like an inappropriate touch isn't just your parts, it's any part of your body that someone is touching you that you don't like it. But I think that when your foundation is a lack of choice and this is the only way and the one true way, but how did how are you able to have a conversation around anything with a kid? Because they are very narrow-minded. They're kids, they don't they want to play, like that's it. So when you when you're building this foundation of there's only one way and there's only one way to do things, I think it's just yeah, you're not giving yourself the opportunity to yeah, have tough conversations with your kid and teach them that they they're in control. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07I I just find it interesting that like we had a bunch of people message us because they were new dads and we're talking about like this now, and they're like, oh my god. Some electric. It just gets different. It does.
Milestones Parent Guilt And Support
SPEAKER_05Parenting gets different. It was so it was cool. Actually, I want to shout out uh Matt, our electrician. Had a lovely chat with him out front. So they have a daughter who is I think she's like eight months now. Um crazy. I'm trying to think. Yeah, I don't think I don't think he minds me sharing this type of thing. Oh, okay. So he had asked a question out front in lunch to the group. He had thrown it out there of like, how what do you say? I'm trying to remember his words, what do you say to your partner when they're struggling and beating themselves up over something? Um Yeah, I think I can provide context here. So their daughter just isn't crawling yet. So she's eight months old, not getting that movement yet. And as we all know, because I think we've all been there with our partners, mom will always beat herself up. She's the one who's home with them. They take it personally that they are failing as a mom because their kid isn't hitting certain milestones. And it was a great chat that we had out uh front of the job site, because this is their first kid. And I'm like, man, they've been there, and pretty much every parent will tell you they've been there because there's every kid is so different, and every kid is not going to hit every single milestone the way that they're supposed to. My air quotes are in the air. Yeah. And whichever parent is home with them is always going to feel that parent guilt of what am I doing wrong? That they're not hitting this milestone. You're not doing anything wrong. Like, unless you're literally ignoring your kid, which I'm sure you're not, because if you're questioning this and you're paying attention to it, then you're not doing anything wrong. But it was such a cool chat, and I really like that he felt comfortable enough to bring that up on the job site because it's like something that we've we always did um working together on the job site, obviously, having these types of conversations. But he brought it up and we just had a really good chat out front about like you just gotta be there, you just gotta show support, you gotta validate. That's so hard sometimes. It's like because it, yeah, you can't just be the person that says they're fine, leave it alone. Like you have to acknowledge that, like, okay, I see that you're struggling with this.
SPEAKER_07Right. That's a good point, actually. Because it can be very difficult to just be dismissive. Yeah, it can be dismissive about it and just push it aside, and like, whatever, they're gonna be fine, let it go. Yeah, it's like, no, but this is a big deal to me right now. 100%.
SPEAKER_08I hear that. Every once in a while, the window like the the conversation is safe enough to say, you know what, you're owning too much of this. Yeah, like I understand how you're feeling, but like you are not responsible for everything to do with our kids. Yeah, like they are their own person, uh, and they are the way that they are because they're that like they're it's not because of you. Yeah, like they're like you're a wonderful mom, uh, but that you just invest so much time and energy into these children, especially the stay-at-home person. Yeah, uh, that oh, it's impossible not to take it hard when things aren't going well, or like when there are struggles, especially when you're at like a mom and tots and another eight-month-old is running or walking.
SPEAKER_07The comparison game. The comparison game, yeah. And I think like I think it happens to us in early parenthood to prepare us for it all the way along the road. Yeah. Where I think it is important to address for yourself and figure out that why, why is this triggering for me? Why is this bothering me? Why, why do I feel this way that my kid isn't doing what the other kid is, or my kid hasn't reached this milestone? Because it's gonna keep happening, like all the way along the road. They get into school, like, why aren't they getting as good grades as that person? Right, why can't they run as far as that or as fast as that person? Why can't they throw? Why can't they jump? Why can't they do all these different things? Like, because we're all so different. Why can't you do something that I can't? Like, yeah, we can't do everything perfectly, right?
SPEAKER_08The other element is sicknesses, like you start feeling responsible when your child isn't healthy. It's like, yeah, it's like, am I not doing feeding them right? Are they not getting there's all like a laundry list of things that you're not doing, and this is why they're they're not healthy. It's like, no, like they're just struggling right now.
SPEAKER_07Like, of course there's things you can do to help, but yeah, you can't sanitize your kids' hands every two seconds.
SPEAKER_05Like I'm making a different guy sick.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, like hands are going in diapers, hands are going on toys, there's coughing, there's drooling coming out of everything. Yeah, it is a gross, messy bit, and kids get sick. Like it just happens so hard.
SPEAKER_05And I think especially when the uh the first kid, right? Like first-time parenting, you're this kind of exhausted for the first time in your life because there is no exhaustion, like first-time parenting exhaustion. So you're gonna take everything that much harder. And it's like it's hard to explain that for people who like if you have another kid, you're gonna understand why this is looked at the way that it is for people who have multiple kids, because you it's different. Like the second kid, and I'm sure you guys can say for the third kid, like it's it's just different walking through those things because you have that in the back of your head, hopefully. Um, I know there's probably a lot of parents that didn't have a support system and have it this hard every time they have a kid, and that sucks. And I hope that that yeah, they find people to help support them through that. Um, but I think when you have a good support system, when you learn these things about not putting too much weight on them, then once you have that second kid, like I don't know when Coop hit any of his markers. Right. I don't know when he hit any of his milestones because like you do realize that it truly doesn't really matter as long as they are for the most part healthy, as long as they are for the most part learning the things within six months of when they're supposed to learn them. Like, then you kind of know, all right, they're whatever typical kid. There's no reason that I have to go see certain specialists because um of certain things, right?
SPEAKER_07Well, I think the first kid you're tracking everything inside the womb, even yeah, yeah. Like, oh, they're the size of a pea now. Oh, they're they're a watermelon, oh, they're an apple. Look at this, they've grown that. And then, like, you're so attentive to literally everything before they're even into the world. Yeah, so you can't turn that off. Like, it is logical to feel those things, it is normal to feel those things. Yeah, um, it's just not letting them take over your feelings, your thoughts, and stuff. But as you're talking about the youngest, like Joy and I were literally like we were had dinner the other day, and Abby, our youngest, was like dancing around doing something. And I just looked at my wife and like, she is living her best youngest kid life. Like, you don't understand how youngest kids just benefit. From all of the older siblings. Like they get the benefit. They get to see everything. They get a different parent. And then we were talking about uh Josh and Laura who were on the podcast a long time ago. Um, they had talked about Kean and their son who kind of had some some different difficulties in the when he was younger, which caused them to have some extra difficulties as parents trying to figure all that out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_07They've got their second kid who she's a wonderful, amazing daughter. She has some very similarities to Kean, but they are different parents than they were with him. Because they have been taking him to like a training, they've taken him to um therapy, they've done so much therapy themselves that like they're no longer the same parent they were then, and they're doing such a different job with this new kid than they did with the other one, and you can see it. And it's like it's one of those things that we noticed the other day. And I'm like, I need to tell them this because that's not something you observe as a parent, it's something you see from the outside of like, I don't know if you guys know, but like you're doing great. Like I know it was hard with the first one, but you were figuring things out, and you've got all of these skills that you've equipped from all of the hardships that you've had to deal with with kid number one, yeah. And now kid number two, you've got the tool belt, you've got the tools, you know how to handle it differently. And that kid just gets to benefit so much from you as a parent learning and growing, right?
SPEAKER_05And I feel like so much of it is just allowing what like Brian just highlighted, you're allowing the kid just to be the kid.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_05You're not trying to question everything that they're going through and everything they're doing and why it's your fault or why it's their fault. It's like, you know, you're just recognizing that that kid is that kid. Right. And I think that's what having multiple kids allows you to do, to be like, I'm not gonna be able to control it. So fuck it. Like you be a kid, we're along for the ride with you, and we'll be here for whenever you fall to help you get back up.
SPEAKER_07Literally, whenever you fall, right, Joey? That's what Cooper does. Just jump.
SPEAKER_05All that kid does is fall. We've been playing baseball in our basement. And this fucking kid will just run full tilt and dive at the base with everything he had. He'll be fresh off of smashing his knee. Like the classic family guy. I'm like, all right, dude, you good? He's like, yeah, back up to bat next bat, right back into the base again. I'm like, I love that. That's a resilient child. Oh man, he's head first through his entire life, and I'm here for it.
When Kids Have No Fear
SPEAKER_07But holy the cottage one was what got me. So we they were playing outside and they talked Joey into playing manhunt. Great dad, Joey playing manhunt, and Joey was it. They'd asked me, and I said nope. And then they bugged Joey enough that he said yes. So Joey's chasing the kids around, and there's a back forest that goes like incline up, and there's a bunch of rocks and like boulders, like uh quarry type stuff back there. They're massive boulders covered in like moss. And Ben and Cooper, my son and Joey's go running up there, and Joey kind of goes into the woods, and I don't think you were like rushing them or anything.
SPEAKER_05I was not because I knew that both of our sons, but particularly mine, has no fucking fear.
SPEAKER_07But they are like little mountain goats up there, and my wife's telling me her I love hearing different people's perspectives because my wife was watching further back. I think they might have even been inside and looking at the window um with Joey's wife, and she just goes, Oh, oh no, because Joey's son Cooper just jumps, like just jumps off the rock down this like rock face.
SPEAKER_05I can't even explain it to you to give you the reality of like this is no joke, it's a cliff. Like, these are cliffs that go up, and I'm tentatively going after them for this reason. So I just chased Ben, Dave's son, and he's a mountain goat, so like I couldn't catch him, and I'm like, I'm pretty fast, so I thought I'd get him, but it didn't. He cut himself pretty bad and had to go inside. But I'm like, all right, I'm giving up on you. I'm gonna go towards Coop. But I'm literally walking along the bottom, and he's kind of walking out, but he's 30 feet ahead of me and like up, and he just yeeted himself off of a cliff, and it was like a 10-foot drop. And I was like, dude, he just hits barrel rolls, hits up against a rock to get himself. And I was like, oh my god, and he's popped his head up, he's like, huh, I'm good, and then he kept running like I was like, No, pause game, we're all done. You just jumped off a literal cliff, and I wasn't even chasing you. Like, no, we're done. We're no longer playing Manhunt in the Forest.
SPEAKER_08So, does he does he feel bad afterwards when you have to like shut it down like that? Or is he just like on to the next thing?
SPEAKER_05He's on to the next thing. Like he, yeah, in that moment here's I think he got it. I hope that his little brain was like, yeah. No, that makes sense. I could have died there. Why'd you let me do that? Like, I hope that's something that's clicked. I doubt it. But yeah, I think between bed, like he got a pretty good cut on his arm because he was just running through a forest and a cliff. So he went in and then I called it. So I'm like, yeah, guys, we can't do this.
SPEAKER_03I can't handle it.
SPEAKER_05I could take a life, like I'm I'm that dad. Like, I let him experience life. I will let him, I will explore with him and let him go wild. But yeeting yourself up a cliff.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, let's not explore death together.
SPEAKER_05That's because all it takes is one wrong turn. Like, how he didn't break something in that moment. Like, I just didn't, I didn't expect it. It was a steam trophy.
SPEAKER_08That's how kids break bones.
SPEAKER_05It is apparently they grow back stronger.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_05Apparently, he did it the right way. He just went full limp noodle and shocked himself off a cliff.
SPEAKER_08If he had a broken a bone, that would have been an experience he'd remember for the rest of his life. That's true.
SPEAKER_05And maybe he wouldn't do that again. There's also that six-year-old age that like he might have forgotten it with an ear or two.
SPEAKER_07Joey fall. I didn't think your fall was like hereditary DNA. But it's a thing.
SPEAKER_05And I'm glad he has that.
SPEAKER_08But I'm also terrified. I wish my kids had a little bit more of that. Murph's got thankfully mostly none of it.
SPEAKER_05She will play quite safe. But none of that for Coop. But here we are.
SPEAKER_07Um, so I got another funny story. This had me in Stitches um in my TV room talking to my son.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_07Uh, asking about how his day was. And he got called into the vice principal's office. So to set the scene and to set the picture for you, um, two grade eight boys sitting across the desk from their vice principal. Okay. Who uh do you know who the VP is? Like would how would you describe him? Kind of like maybe late 50s.
SPEAKER_05I don't know if I know where V.
SPEAKER_07Um Mr. B, he's like a newer one. Yeah, yeah. Um, anyways, kind of awkward looking dude. Um one of the like, he's older, so he's not in with the terms, doesn't quite know what's going on. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Gotcha.
SPEAKER_07So Ben gets called in because there's an issue with this boy. He's getting accused of something. They squash that, and nothing happened. Right. So now the teacher asked, like, hey, or the principal, he's like, hey, is there anything else going on that I need to be aware of? Like what's going on out there that I need to know about. Ben's like, well, like, um, like people are being a little like still picking on me a bit, and they're calling me a gooner. And he's like, Oh, what what's a gooner? And then the kid beside Ben, he's like, you know, beat near me.
SPEAKER_08I didn't know what a gooner was.
SPEAKER_06Oh man, but he just says it. Beat me, beating your meat. Oh, okay. Um, you guys can go and beat your dick.
SPEAKER_05Never mind.
SPEAKER_07That technically gooner is now a term for people who beat their me. He knows chat GPT exists, right? You just look that up on your death wire.
SPEAKER_03So you don't have to ask that question to a 13-year-old.
SPEAKER_07I felt like a TV show scene of like what that vice principal did look just sitting there across from the goonies.
SPEAKER_06I love that. You know, like you think I'm a gooner, actually. I'm part of the fan club.
SPEAKER_05This is a good thing, right? We all want to be gooners.
SPEAKER_07Oh man. They just had me die, and then Ben was looking at me like, are you okay? And I'm like, as an adult, this situation makes me like just die.
SPEAKER_05Like, so funny. That is perfect. Because yeah, yeah, I would not have put two and two together on that one in a million years.
SPEAKER_06If you knew who the other kid was, he's dead and two, it's just even funny.
SPEAKER_08I just want to know how that term got applied to that. Right? I don't know.
SPEAKER_05You're goon. Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_08Gooning.
SPEAKER_07Friggin' gooner. It's an adjective, sure.
SPEAKER_05You're such a gooner. Like, we made fun of each other a lot when we were kids. I don't think we ever dove into trying to call somebody an excessive masturbator. Like, why? Why is that?
SPEAKER_08You're all we didn't have a term for that. Because you're all doing it.
SPEAKER_05Like, you've just discovered that shit. If it's still on, you're in a good place. Good lord. Why are we pointing that out? I mean, unless he caught somebody doing it out in the open, then you've got something to make fun of. Privacy of your own room, though. That's unbelievable though. Gooner, what a move.
SPEAKER_07Poor Vice Principal learned something on. Just picture him going home to tell his partner about how it's your dad. I learned something new today.
SPEAKER_06Apparently, I'm a gooner.
SPEAKER_08No, I'm I'm floating that out there with Leo just to see if he knows what that term is.
SPEAKER_05It's always fun with it because we have our younger people on the team now, too. You got a 19 and a 21-year-old. They probably know what those terms are.
SPEAKER_08Friggin' gooner. Well, goon in hockey is like it would have been. They're beating meat.
SPEAKER_05Different context.
SPEAKER_07It just got me.
SPEAKER_05Different things for different stages of parenting. Exactly. You're in the stage where you gotta learn different terms. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Absolutely.
SPEAKER_05Well.
SPEAKER_08If you do the is that cultural appropriation? I think probably. Hi Brian. Uh let's dad.
SPEAKER_05I feel like the key was you didn't start running with an accent.
SPEAKER_06I couldn't find it. If I could have, I would have. I couldn't find it.
SPEAKER_05Let's just say we're glad you didn't.