Show: Snapped
Episode: Dawson McGehee S21 E10
The Halloween murder of Kathleen McGehee was shocking and violent. It was something out of a horror movie. In fact it might have been planned to be something out of a horror movie by a very mentally ill person. Kathleen worked hard to help everyone in her family and many members of her community. She helped so many in times of need but she faced an absolute nightmare in her home all alone. Never trust an asshole wearing a weird ass mask, even on Halloween.
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Show: Snapped
Episode: Dawson McGehee S21 E10
The Halloween murder of Kathleen McGehee was shocking and violent. It was something out of a horror movie. In fact it might have been planned to be something out of a horror movie by a very mentally ill person. Kathleen worked hard to help everyone in her family and many members of her community. She helped so many in times of need but she faced an absolute nightmare in her home all alone. Never trust an asshole wearing a weird ass mask, even on Halloween.
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Speaker 2:And although we joke, if you or someone you know is affected by or a victim of domestic violence, dial 1-800-799-7233 or visit the National Domestic Violence Hotline's website, thehotlineorg.
Speaker 1:It's always the hook baby. It's always the hook baby. It's always the hook baby. I don't keep it. Hi everybody. This is Sarah and this is Megan and you are listening to it's Always the Husband podcast, welcome. Welcome to the podcast where we watch one show, just one, and that's all the research we do. That's it, nothing else. And we make fun of the show and they're retelling of the story. We don't know if the story is accurate, we don't know how the show is told the story could be wrong. We don't research anymore.
Speaker 2:No, because we don't got time for that. There's no corrections corner.
Speaker 1:Oh my no, we are not learned.
Speaker 2:No, we just let it ride.
Speaker 1:Right, and if you're willing to just listen to that, that's been fine. Thank you, thank you, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2:We're still apparently bitter about the one star review being crude, but we got some great reviews this week.
Speaker 1:We did get some very good reviews and I have to put them all up. Yes, the one that said we were worse than Hitler.
Speaker 2:No one is. Did you see that at some Michigan game they were putting trivia? Up and they put Hitler a trivia question about Hitler up there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't, we don't need to do that All of this other stuff, no, what were they thinking? Well, they're dumb. And current human beings are not the creme de la creme. You know there's some are and some aren't, and the ones that aren't are the ones that rise to the top. We know a lot of people that fail up. We fail down, but everybody else seems to fail up, just like people with dicks fail up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they sure do, didn't she say last? What were we talking about? We're like nothing bad ever happens in this town. And she's like, yeah, we could never be where nothing bad ever happened. Whatever it was, I was like, yeah, exactly. No it's exactly right.
Speaker 1:It is right, she was right.
Speaker 2:And it's gonna happen. We're gonna be there. Probably you bet your ass on that.
Speaker 1:Probably. But well, I'm glad you're back. I miss you. I mean, I'm glad to be back Not that you're away because you were on. I was here, yeah, but I just I didn't have anything in me Really to give one fuck to give.
Speaker 2:I didn't.
Speaker 1:I just was. I would have been more poor quality than usual.
Speaker 2:I mean, when I tried to listen to that episode, it was something.
Speaker 1:It was something. It exists, it's out there and it happened. Yeah, yeah, but we are trying to record visually our episode as well with a new camera. So we'll see how that works, and I'm sorry my husband is gone again. You know what? He doesn't seem to like to be around when I'm around, isn't that?
Speaker 2:weird. I seem to be experiencing the same thing at my house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when I'm here he tends to get in his car and it backs up and goes and then he just like burns rubber down the street. So that means I have tripper again because he cannot. A puppy with his balls cannot be trusted outside of my sight. Please take those balls off. I try and Jamie throws a huge fit. Well, it's not Jamie's fucking dog. I know, I know. Can I do it myself with like rubber bands or something that?
Speaker 2:would not be a good idea, but I frown upon that.
Speaker 1:But I do think you should go to the vet yeah, he has, he's just a wild one, so he's chewing loudly on a bone. So if you hear a sound of chewing and teeth cracking together, scraping popping which you will hear, just we said to pretend it is a fire popping, a cozy winter fire popping in the background Just not interesting and it's just a puppy with balls chewing on some shitty thing.
Speaker 2:So we're sorry. Hey, it is beautiful fall. It's one week away from our favorite holiday. It's almost your birthday, coming up on Sunday. What day? The 29th? Oh the 28th is the Halloween Halloween pub crawl. The 29th is your birthday. God damn it.
Speaker 1:Sorry, we have a lot of big things coming up, then we have Tiffany's birthday, and then we have Tiffany's wedding likes to have her birthday on my birthday too.
Speaker 2:So I always call my birthday.
Speaker 1:her birthday and her wedding are coming up, so two big TTA of the P Hive events.
Speaker 2:I'm still going to celebrate your birthday.
Speaker 1:My birthday and hers, which now are her birthdays, and her glorious wedding, which everyone is trying on dresses, and I don't have any kind of a dress.
Speaker 2:Where the dress you ordered Rachel's wedding I returned it. You did not.
Speaker 1:And it had sweat stains. Oh Sarah.
Speaker 2:Can you spilled on it. I spilled on it so much I returned it. Okay. Well, please order another one then.
Speaker 1:I'm not Kate Middleton. I don't wear my dresses twice. Oh, I don't recycle my dresses. I have to wear a new gown for every event, every gala, a new gown. Well, you better start ordering?
Speaker 2:I don't know. Write yourself a note. Yes, you cannot wear clothes from a corpse.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean sometimes the corpse might pass on a gala event and have a really good dress. What do you do with them then? You got to take them.
Speaker 2:Yes, but that's one in a million.
Speaker 1:I'll just hang around some sort of museum event.
Speaker 2:It'll look like something that Dorothy Spornak wore to the dance I want to wear that in a heartbeat Heart a hereby.
Speaker 1:Maybe I better go to Baerb and buy a dress from Barb, yes, okay, well, we don't have any Patreons but we are going to record a special awesome effort.
Speaker 2:last week Didn't get us any Patreons.
Speaker 1:No, they said fuck you. We are going to start trying to record, after the show, a pop culture this week in pop culture with Sarah and Megan our current culture with cunts it's called and we'll send it to our Patreon so they can get a little extra something. So we're going to try our first one current culture with cunts coming up, so we'll put that on our Patreon. So current, not like news current events it's just pop culture.
Speaker 1:We don't want to try to do political news because again, that's depressing. The world will burn to the ground in 10 years. We're just going to have fun with pop culture until it does. Yeah, anyway, do you have a glitter in your shitter?
Speaker 2:You know damn right I do. First of all, I went on a. I went on a vacation this weekend with my kids and my two little kids and my friends and all their kids, and we had the most amazing time.
Speaker 1:Northern.
Speaker 2:Minnesota is so gorgeous right now. Did you when you went to Duluth, like, was it gorgeous? No, I went to well.
Speaker 1:I went to Jake Cook State Park. That seemed lovely when I was driving in and it had houses that were like out of a catalog. Yeah like lovely, beautiful, lovely river, but it rained. I slept in Jamie's truck camper, so it's a camper in the truck bed. Yeah, it's not a camper in the truck bed. There is no facilities, so I had to use facilities. I had to walk, like.
Speaker 1:I mean, I felt like half mile, but I walked to use a toilet because when you also have your period, you don't just want to pee under your pants out in the woods.
Speaker 2:Why and it?
Speaker 1:rained. It rained not just nonstop. So it finally stopped raining, and this was the day of my dad's funeral at Fort Snutling 2 on Wednesday, so it was just like, oh. And then finally stopped raining at like 9pm and we made a fire and I cooked my hot dogs on a stick.
Speaker 2:They were actually good. I thought that is good.
Speaker 1:I don't know if camping is my thing, but the bed in there actually wasn't so bad. I was freezing because it was no heat, so I was freezing. He was warm and very warm sleeping bag and I had shitty blankets that were on our chair that I brought. Oh my God, I was ice cold and probably got hypothermia. So I don't know, I don't camp very well.
Speaker 2:No, I don't even try. But so we were standing in this like luxurious VRBL that had a tennis court, a hot tub a lake.
Speaker 1:That's different than what I did.
Speaker 2:Two fire pits, two bunk bed cabins, another cabin like that had three bedrooms, and then ours had 100 bedrooms, a movie theater in the basement. I'm not kidding you, I shit you not An exercise room. It was gorgeous, that sounds lovely.
Speaker 2:And the trees were so awesome. So I'm just gonna say shout out to Niswa, you're doing something right. It's very pretty, the cutest shops, it's like the cutest little town. I felt like I should like accidentally bump into somebody who's like maybe a carpenter trying to fix something and we get in a fight right away, but then I run into a pork, yeah, and then it's like a Hallmark movie.
Speaker 1:That's what I feel like. That should be true.
Speaker 2:But besides that, I wore an item of clothing that I've worn a couple times, and every time I wear them, people keep asking me where did you get those? Those are so cute. Oh my God, you look so cute. I'm gonna tell you what they are they're denim overalls. Yeah, just like farmer overalls, and they're from fucking Target. Oh, they're so cute. They're not tight.
Speaker 1:They're very cute.
Speaker 2:They were $40,. Everyone $40 for the cutest outfit maker ever Run to Target and get them. No, they're very cute. I should get a kickback from Target for all the people I told in Niswa where, no, they're very, very, very cute.
Speaker 1:I feel like you could put anything under them and it would look cute.
Speaker 2:Like any kind of a top, short sleeve or long sleeve or tank top or no shirt, just tits out, let your boobs hang out the sides. What about you? What's your glitter?
Speaker 1:I have two Because, first, I have to mention that, as I showed pictures, sometimes you dream a dream and you know it never is going to come true. I'm never going to be a guitarist in a band. And maybe because I don't want to do that, but I'm never going to win an Oscar. You know, a lot of people have that dream and you have to tell them that's not going to happen. I'm never going to be win the Nobel Peace Prize Never. I'm not even going to win a deodorant of the year.
Speaker 2:Deodorant. Teacher of the year.
Speaker 1:I failed at that multiple times. Did you get nominated this year? Never, I mean, I do, but I did.
Speaker 2:Did you get nominated this year Of?
Speaker 1:course not. No, no, we haven't even done that yet. But no, I lose, I lose. I would lose to Oscar the Grouch. I lose to corpse, I lose to Hitler. It's just not going to happen. But one of my dreams was to meet Jason Momoa, and I thought I would never, ever, ever, get to do it unless I flew to one of those fan expos and paid a thousand dollars. But he doesn't even do that anymore because he's too big of a name. Now he's not going to go to Wichita Fan Expo, so I can't take my picture with him. But, as everyone sent you know, he's doing his little vodka tour with his Maley vodka.
Speaker 2:Right, right and.
Speaker 1:I have not tasted it.
Speaker 2:You bought it. Right, I bought it. We should have done a shot. We should have tasted it.
Speaker 1:I can put it with my little fizzy water I like, or a shot of it, that's true. But I wouldn't know cheap vodka from good vodka. I don't know the taste of booze, I just guzzle it down the old gullet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just pour it down there. Miss the taste buds all together.
Speaker 1:And so he was going to be in Iowa and we even thought of going down there. And then he was in Wisconsin and then he was in like Michigan or something. But he came to Minnesota and he went to Total Wine in Minnetonka and he was going to go to Costco and I don't know. So after I got my license renewed which was a shit show at the DMV I went. I just thought what the hell?
Speaker 2:You didn't even tell us. No, by the way, I wasn't going to go.
Speaker 1:I wasn't going to go because I just thought it's going to be a million people and it's just why bother. Then I'm just I won't get to see him and then I'll have done all that effort and it's just why bother to be disappointed again and just kick my own self in the crotch as everything that happens. I just get kicked in the crotch with an iron boot and the boot is on fire. It is right into a sharp tip iron boot in the crotch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you were just more afraid of never, of just getting almost there and then just yeah.
Speaker 1:So then I just went because the DMV actually went smooth as silk and that never happened.
Speaker 2:So you felt like that was a good old man. I felt like that was a good old man.
Speaker 1:I drove to Minnetonka. I got there and the line was as long as Mississippi but I thought, fuck it. I parked and they were still parking. Were you by yourself, just by myself, and I brought no supplies, nothing, not even my earbuds to do anything, and I had. The line went from the total wine the start of a mall, and then it was like 300 people and it curved around by the dumpster shitters and that's where my line, that's where it ended. And so I lined up there at the dumpster shitters and just sat for three hours. I went and in those three hours probably 500 people Were in line after me.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, so I mean it just curved around, curved around, curved around. And so then it was like 10, 30, three dark, like executive type cars. They had something executive came and drove by the dumpster people and so we waved and waved and they slowed down and like that was obviously him. So there are all the dumpster people are screaming and none of the front people could see him.
Speaker 2:Oh, fuck you.
Speaker 1:We thought okay here and then we were still waiting in the one gal who was from Savage in front of me weird, and her deodorant goes to our Twin Oaks deodorant. Um, she said do we still wait? We've waited, we're just standing here and it's time is going so slow. Is this worth it?
Speaker 2:We're like forever back, we're never gonna get in did she like, take a gummy and time would just stop.
Speaker 1:But time stop, it was like we had 40 gummies time, because she would be like has it been even five minutes? I'm like, no, it's been two minutes. It was the slowest time and we'd sit on the curb, stand up, sit on the curb stand time was so slow. Then at 11. He was there, people started going in the line, moves, okay.
Speaker 1:But then at 11 30 the line stopped and we were like maybe a hundred I mean a hundred people away from the door and just thought, oh, he's done, or everyone who's gonna get in got in. We're fucked, you know. And I thought there it is the iron boot right in my crotch. I'm so close and I don't even get to see him right. And so then we're like what do we do? And then everyone's just kind of waiting and I said we supposed to be here till 12 30. It's only 11 30. So yeah, but then all the sudden people at the front were screaming and Screaming and screaming or like what no? And like is he leaving? But then we noticed he was walking, he could, he knew that. All the people still, there's probably like 600 people yeah even more waiting to get in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he knew and all those people won't be able to get in. So he, just like the mainly vodka people, came and said, okay, face the street, he'll walk behind you, have your phone up on video and he'll just walk behind you and then you can pull a selfie from the video, okay, so everyone was like, okay, you know, and we just waited and waited and everyone was getting excited. He came like two people away and there was like an old grandma like in front of us and she, she was like she couldn't figure out her phone. And so I said grandma, and he grabbed her phone and set it to like video and like, put it back in her hand and did it. And then, when it came to me, I thought I don't want it, I'm not gonna, I refuse, I'm not gonna. Just look at him through my phone and face backwards and not right around cuz everyone in front of me Just face forward and never turned around.
Speaker 1:Behind you looking at him through your phone, yeah, you're not even turning around. And so I I turned around and I just was facing him and and just Like somebody who had very serious Problems mentally, and I just stared into his face and then he just stared back and then did you go? I just was like and then he said do you want, do you want a photo? And I just went. And so then he grabbed, literally grabbed my head and my neck with his hand and turn my hand around you have to look forward for us to have a picture together.
Speaker 1:and then I just went and I kept turning back to look at him, cuz I said I don't, I don't want to look at you through my phone, I don't want to look at you. Yes, yeah, this whole hand then right on my neck, let me turn it around. Well, people like I heard people say yes, whole hand.
Speaker 2:And he was huge.
Speaker 1:He was like six, five and like, look like he was like 220 like not.
Speaker 1:And so then I was like, and then he started laughing because I was being such a moron and I kept fighting his hand to turn around, look at him. So then I turned around a little bit and then quick, turned around again and then he just laughed and then he liked it is whatever. And then I said Congratulations on your vodka and he went, thank you, and I went, I he looked at me in the eye and he said words and I I didn't look. I mean I had no good picture of us because I it's only half my face, because I never.
Speaker 1:Just looked at him. I just was like I can't. I look at you from the screen. That's how I've seen you. I'm right one. You're five inches from me and I only have you for two seconds. I just want to stare at your face and your bulge and hear your voice. I don't care about anything else, I don't care for in a picture.
Speaker 2:No, you're right here, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then I just was like and so I mean I got like five seconds with them instead of like one, because he kept forcibly turning my head around Like I was in shock, and then people kept saying he touched her, he touched her, he touched her, he touched her, all down the line he touched her. I said he did, he touched me. And they said you're not going to sue or anything because you were quite willing for the touch. And I was like well, of course.
Speaker 1:I was what do you mean sue? I would have put a hand on my bra.
Speaker 2:Who do you think I am, sir?
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna press charges, cuz I'm like no, are you kidding? It was like a dream come true. But one guy was like I mean, he did like just, it was the dream of a lifetime. But then, of course, I went in and bought his vodka. Everybody was like in shock, I think still in line, because you're like huh, just go they're like line up here, go here, grab it here and then, and then I bought it and bought two other wines. How?
Speaker 2:did you buy?
Speaker 1:this there. No, that that was old, nine years old. No, I mean from last week. It was wonderful how much is the vodka. It's more like $20 20.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's special about it? Is it made from potatoes? Well, it has Hawaii, or probably.
Speaker 1:It is a recycled glass bottle and I guess it won several awards gold or something. He loves recycling. Yeah, he's very Conscious of the environment, shit show. But that was I couldn't. It's like I just couldn't believe it. Like I couldn't believe Jason Momos literally Alive in front of me, like it was a real, really him Like in front of me. It was so like where your brain can't believe what you're seeing. So now I just have to meet the trailer park boys and Martin short, and then I can die.
Speaker 2:Well, we did see Martin short, though.
Speaker 1:I did see Martin short. I didn't get to like talk to him or have him grab my head. No, but that's true. Now I just have to meet trailer park boys. I did breathe the same air as Martin short, that's true.
Speaker 2:I am going to go to see Martin and Chris Kratts soon, so that's about as good as it gets for my family.
Speaker 1:Them, yeah, no, the crass brothers. I know them from Wild Crats. That dumb ass, zuma, zuma Mafum, that one, rachel, was little that drove me up the ball.
Speaker 2:Um, that's, rory still watches that. Well, he just watched two episodes before I got here.
Speaker 1:But the other glitter in the shitters you have to watch, especially if you love Edgar Allen Poe. I've, I haven't. Did you watch the house? The?
Speaker 2:fall of the house of usher.
Speaker 1:I loved every single minute of it I've read. I have like a whole Edgar Allen Poe like thick, huge Book and I've read the whole I just because it's creepy and weird. Yeah every single second of that show was fabulous. I loved every minute of it and it's gross and it's creepy and it is All Edgar Allen Poe. It's amazing.
Speaker 2:I love it. I would like it or not.
Speaker 1:I think so, because I Loved it, I loved it, I loved it, I loved it. I loved everything about it someone else. I love you to just watched it to and loved it like I couldn't stop, I had to just watch, and watch, and watch, and watch and it was creepy and gross and just everything I loved. Okay, um, but those are my two. I kind of talked a little long time, but it was Jason Bimo, I couldn't help it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 1:Oh man, it was good and he didn't smell rotten. I've heard Brad Pitt has a bit of a very Right ball stanchal and then you see, I've seen like Tom Cruise and I love Tom Cruise, I do. I don't even get annoyed with his craziness, I love him. I fall from in every movie, but he is Um, he fits right in your pocket, right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah right in there, just a little bit of a tiny guy, and so you want to know, like, like, if I fell down, I know he could at least help me up. Well, timothy Shalamet Couldn't help me up because he weighs 82 pounds. You would pull him right? Oh, I would shatter him with my bulk, his arm would go to help me, and then it would pop right off. Right, I mean right off, but he's cute as a button. I, I Could carry him. I mean that, do a marathon with him on my back, I bet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, when you are. No, he just is a back fit in the backpack, that's in a backpack, yeah, anyway, I don't have anything else really so I think we'll just start our Halloween murder, let's get into it.
Speaker 1:That again is very horrible and it hit. No, no, oh no, I'm sorry We'll hear it. Tripper likes to just randomly scream, bark at nothing, so I apologize.
Speaker 2:No one cares everyone who has dog.
Speaker 1:I know he will be in the sound, sleep and wake up and scream, bark and then just go to sleep and Otto has screaming night terrors. So I just good fun times at your house, it's always great. Um, we're gonna go travel to 2011 before times when things Maybe we're shitty, but not as shitty as they've been the past three years.
Speaker 1:Where you just think you know life maybe has a chance Before you know what. Maybe things are gonna work out great. I mean, they didn't, of course, for this family, but I got married in 2011. Oh, when did I get married? 2013? Yeah well, you did.
Speaker 2:I get married before you. Yeah, oh yeah, I was pregnant at your wedding. Yeah, Gross Jesus.
Speaker 1:So we're gonna go to California and Mantika.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I've heard of mantika but there's many places that I haven't heard of, so mantika is by the San Fran area, I believe but like along was away from it yeah like an hour east, but still a suburb.
Speaker 1:Yeah cuz it's massively huge. I felt like San Diego wasn't that big, but it has to be but, and it seems smaller.
Speaker 2:I Just, and it's so expensive.
Speaker 1:So I don't know how yeah people do it.
Speaker 2:Which is why they ended up in mantika anyway but I wouldn't be able to forward mantika no no.
Speaker 1:I can't. I can't even afford savage.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Let's be so. We watched a snapped and you can't. I feel like you can't go wrong with snapped. It has like 30 seasons. It's been on forever. Snapped is doing men now as well, so male cases, because it used to always be women who snapped Mainly because their husbands are dicks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, was the beginning ones, yeah.
Speaker 1:But snapped is also a podcast and I listen to it all the time as well, but the sound is really low. So like you get to the commercials and your ears bleed.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's great Good thing we don't have commercial. We don't have to worry about that. No one. No one will tell the difference.
Speaker 1:No, no one has no that discomfort no and people don't want to advertise with gutter trash. So again, this snapped is season 21, episode 10, about Dawson McGee. Was it? Mcgee is just? They just called it McGee, yeah, mcgee, but it's spelled McGee, he, but it's McGee. Okay, mcg e. Hee Not related to tits, mcgee, no, unfortunately so this mantika family. It's Halloween night, and so the mantika home is owned by Mom who's 55 and her name is Kathleen, because there's a Caitlyn and I was kind of getting them confused.
Speaker 2:So mom is Kathy and they called the mom and other things that I read. They called her Katie and I was like so they had a Katie and a Caitlyn, that's yeah, but so we'll call her Kathleen.
Speaker 1:Kathleen, and Tom was a THOM.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I know I'm I've I'm torn about the THOM.
Speaker 2:THOM from Queer Eye. Oh yeah, I don't mind that yeah but I have.
Speaker 1:I just don't know about a THOM, but he was kind of like a GE OFF Jeff right, you know, but now that Jeffrey the cat is Jeff.
Speaker 2:I don't mind it so much.
Speaker 1:Anyway, we have Kathleen and Tom. They're living in Mantika and they have four Pretty much grown children, three sons, and their youngest is a daughter named Caitlyn. So Caitlyn is staying with Kathleen and Tom because she's getting married very soon and she's just staying with her parents to get her wedding last minute wedding details together and then get married and, you know, move on. We do learn that, like a middle son, dawson has been staying with them, but then the other two sons are kind of in the area close, but that's Colin and somebody else and then, yeah, I think we have it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, justin was interviewed a lot.
Speaker 1:Justin was interviewed, I don't think Colin, no, he was. So anyway, caitlyn, the daughter, is home and it's Halloween and it's 6 pm and she's been on a trip and she's back from the trip, at least for a day, and her mom's just been kind of sick in her room. So she goes to check on the mom at 6 pm. It's Halloween. You know who's gonna answer the door. Do you have candy? Whatever, her mom hasn't been opening the door or responding when she knocks on it. So she knocks again and she's worried because Kathleen has diabetes and I know that fear of like. Okay, is she passed out? Is she having some sort of an insulin issue? Is that why she's not answering the door? Or did something happen? Because all moms, even if they do lock the door which they moms never lock the door right, you would respond and say, huh, I'm sick, fuck off. Or something like can I'm sick, it's fine, you know, as you're dying or throwing up or have diarrhea or a stomach ache, you're always gonna answer your kid because they're gonna bother you, no matter what. And her mom wasn't responding and that wasn't like her at all.
Speaker 1:So Caitlin was getting really nervous. She calls Justin, her brother, and says mom. It's just not answering the door. What do I do? Like she says she's taking, she was gonna take a nap, but she never locks the door. I'm pounding on the door, I don't know. Like she tries to go around the house and look in the window. The blinds are closed, she can't see in. She's like what do I do? So Justin says all right, I'm coming over. Maybe just call 911. I would have just kicked down the door or tried to pick the lock. It's cheap inside house door lock. Just kick it down If you're that worried. I mean, if it was my daughter I would have kicked it down. You know she's lots of Dorn is not answering.
Speaker 1:I'm kicking it down, or like I put the keys to my door lock are literally on the door frame above. Anybody can get in by getting the key and you can pick those with a bobby pin. They're so cheap. Yeah, rory can pick the locks.
Speaker 1:But anyway she calls the police and the ambulance and fire department come out and they actually pick the lock. So they take the lock off the door. Justin gets there too, but all the police have already arrived, or no. Justin gets a second call as he's on his way to his parents' house from his sister, caitlin, who is sobbing, and Justin said he could not even understand her, but what he got out of her was she was saying mom is dead, and so Justin is like probably totally in disbelief, like what are you talking about? You know, she was just no, you know. And Justin arrives, all the first responders are there, ambulance and tape and stuff, I think, is starting to go up around the house. He's totally in shock. All the trigger treaters are still, of course, the whole neighborhood is out Side, everyone is staring and you know what do you think? Like? Is this like a trigger? A Halloween prank?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like to have you know are they.
Speaker 1:Is that what's going on? And you have this horrible body coming out and like is this? You know it's unbelievable. Is this a trick for Halloween or what is going on? This is a crime scene. When the police get in the room, it's such they describe it as such a horrible site that we'll get into that. It was just like is this like a Halloween joke or whatever. But then the show goes back to describe the McGee's. So both McGee's, kathleen and THOM Tom, at in college. They were going to go to two different universities, I guess Justin says, but they each were in the Christian Fellowship Ministry and they don't really do church stuff. That gets me angry. They are like kind church people who you know try to really spend their whole life helping other people. Because usually when we see that we automatically think, oh, of course it's Tom's wants to be a minister, so he's just raping and killing shit out of people.
Speaker 1:But, that actually isn't the case, like these two were extremely giving and they were just giving and they took their fellowship ministry or whatever they took and expanded and did a lot of good work for people. I guess the dad Tom was learning Greek and reading old manuscripts in Greek.
Speaker 2:Yeah, For college. Well, the Bible, because he first went to be a pastor and so he wanted to read Act. Like you know, the early translations or the earliest form. Sure yeah.
Speaker 1:Good, and I guess one of the children were born.
Speaker 2:While he was in college, while he was there, and then they moved back to California.
Speaker 1:Right and they were in Chicago for a while and then the other son came. So Tom had to put his ministry dreams on hold because they lived in California and I don't even know how they're affording California. But Tom knew a shit ton of languages. So he became an international businessman and I'm sure then started making quite a bit of money. But he was out of the country a lot, traveling to other countries for most of the time like months at a time.
Speaker 1:And so she was there with the four children she was there with the four children as a stay at home mom by herself, by herself, and never could get away ever Couldn't even send him to school, sarah no because they, after the Dawson son was born and Caitlin, she just decided to keep them all at home and home school.
Speaker 1:When did she get away from her kids? When do you get away and go to Target? You can't even go to work and just complain about work and get away from your kids, but you can't Because she's stuck at home. Bless her, bless her. She had to have the patience I mean patience of I don't know. She had to be a saint, I don't know how she did it. Yeah, I have some.
Speaker 2:I have some feelings. I know some people really successfully home school. I just have some feelings. As I looked back on this case I was like I'll tell, I'll talk about it at the end. Remind me, because I'll fucking forget, okay.
Speaker 1:So she's teaching them the four different? Obviously they're in four different grades. I mean, unless she did some sort of a shout out back, like Miss Beedle and they all did.
Speaker 2:I was just gonna say she was basically Miss Beedle yeah.
Speaker 1:And they had their chock slates.
Speaker 2:And they had their slates and their readers out Right and they were all reading different story. It was the first actual differentiation.
Speaker 1:Probably yeah, and all the kids to learn to play an instrument.
Speaker 1:So they are very much like Bob kids, the Hansons and my brothers and the Donnie, osmans and the Jacksons, yes, so they all played an instrument, if not several instruments. So they move in the mid nineties to Antica and they had. They couldn't afford a home in the Bay Area because no one can, no, but they're living in this lovely suburb and all their kids go to college and actually are very successful at college. So now, once the mom, all of her kids are finally gone for God's sake, they're gone she decides she wants to give back and she starts doing a lot of volunteering work in her church. She's doing tons of volunteering at like a abuse program for women and that have had partners.
Speaker 1:They've had abused her. She's giving tons of her time, effort, helping people and giving back to her community. Huge, she must have tons of energy. I don't know how she did all this, but she was a very good counselor and helped a lot of people break free of abuse from their home, which is not easy and there's not enough people that do that, and help for God's sake.
Speaker 1:She helped children, she helped women and she was known. She knew a lot of the signs as well of abuse in the home, which adds to kind of the issue here, because sometimes in your own home you do what's just easiest to get by, of course. So it's October now, or 2001,. We're getting close to Halloween. Tom, they say, is gone per norm, so like he is constantly gone 2011. Yeah, so Tom is gone because he's never been home once he's in China, they said he's Japan. They don't even know where.
Speaker 2:Nice lady. Yeah, like oh, china or Japan, yeah, two different countries, yes, they are two different countries, but he probably spoke all the languages too, knowing him.
Speaker 1:The house is not empty because now we learn that Caitlin is back, as she is planning to get married, she's living at home and she's getting her dress and all this stuff. But also we learned that the younger, the youngest of the brothers so Caitlin's the baby and then next up is Dawson is staying at home as well. But here's where we have Kate. We go back to where Caitlin calls 911. The first responders come, they break down the door, they take off the lock, they go in to the bedroom and the 55 year old Kathleen. She is on the floor dead and she is covered in multiple stab wounds to her upper body.
Speaker 2:And the weird corner guy that's always on snap.
Speaker 1:Oh yes.
Speaker 2:Um, kept saying it was like a constellation, like he tries to be very dramatic. Stars yeah, and it was.
Speaker 1:There's nothing pretty about it it was fucking.
Speaker 2:No, it's like little punctures.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I think he was just trying to be very dramatic. Yeah, I guess he is. She also used air quality.
Speaker 2:All the time and appropriately.
Speaker 1:Uh, detective Wayne Miller Again, he's just headed out his door to trick or treat with his goddamn kids and he looks like a real life. Peter Griffin oh, he does A hundred percent, he does a hundred percent. And he was probably dressed up as some sort of eye dream of Jeannie.
Speaker 2:I imagine him wearing little Like Major Nelson.
Speaker 1:I think he was wearing a little dreamy top. He was. No, he was dressed up as the eye dream of Jeannie and the little green Jeannie pants with his belly sticking out.
Speaker 2:I feel like that's what he was wearing. Well, next year someone should. This year someone should say try, peter Griffin, you won't really fucking have to do anything.
Speaker 1:So he has to go, change out of his costume and come to this homicide. He arrives at the scene and they say again, this is an upper class neighborhood, you shouldn't have murders. Well, we're sorry, like it doesn't mean that upper class people, you know oh my gosh, it might be only the scum of the earth have murders and deaths. No, that's where all the murders happen is the upper class people, because they're nuts.
Speaker 2:There's always been like. Like what do we love that Hollywood murders from the 50s and 20, you know what are those called vintage?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, they're all nuts, of course they are Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Oh gosh. Anyway, they walk into the house, are so surprised by this incredibly violent death as described by that corner, who is nuts. In fact, they see that she has been surprised because her car keys are right next to her. They think she was headed out, which she was to go pick up her daughter and was attacked to a church camp for adults.
Speaker 1:Well, for the weekend. I don't know if I I don't know if I agree with that, and maybe she had to go before her wedding or something, maybe, maybe, but she seemed to enjoy it, who knows? Good for her.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised you're being so positive about this, but these are kind people like they didn't.
Speaker 1:I mean, except for the one you know they did kind things. They weren't a total hypocrite about it. She had blunt force trauma which maybe as she's going with the car keys in her hand, she surprised from the back, hit in the head, knocked down. She did try to fight, had the defense moves on her hand but was stabbed 10, 11 times right in the with a huge knife right in the chest and you just after a few if it's cutting, you know, around your heart or whatever you just bleed out so fast that it's in.
Speaker 1:I'm sure she was just you get hit on the head. You're like what the hell? And confused. By the time you even realize what's happening to you, it's too late.
Speaker 2:And, of course, to reenact it, they took Carol from forensic.
Speaker 1:Oh my yes.
Speaker 2:And they stuck a horrible blonde wig on her head.
Speaker 1:Absolutely terrible, like it was a few. It was just a few, yeah, but oh my the clothing was terrible, and then they just beat her around and just kicked her in the boobs.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then dumped ketchup on her shirt and they were like all right, Carol, just lay there. It was terrible. And in and out, and in and out. Don't move, carol.
Speaker 1:And that was we're going to kick you kind of in the tits. Yeah, don't move. Don't move when your tits are kicked. No, nobody likes a moving tit kick.
Speaker 2:And don't you dare dip your hot dog in that ketchup on your shirt Carol, it's not lunchtime.
Speaker 1:Jesus, she's always eating Hungry. They think, well, this isn't a burglary gone wrong, because clearly they were other people in the home. There's no sign of force entry.
Speaker 1:She had a very neat and ordered house and nothing had been disturbed. None of their valuables were taken and they could not find the bloody knife. In fact it was never found. They believe it was a kitchen knife from their kitchen, though possibly, but they never did find it, a big one of your big, the big ass kitchen knife in your block, which I just I can't even imagine someone coming at you with that. I just can't even like. It's such a horrible thought. And then what she saw, when we get to what she was seeing, I just she probably was could never even get her mind around it until it was like too late.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, that's whole she. Just yeah, because I'm just fucking.
Speaker 1:I hope so. So the poor daughter who's traumatized beyond Caitlin McGee, goes to the police department just to be interviewed by the police to figure out what the hell is going on. She says she's just staying with her parents for a little bit because she's getting married soon, of course, which is a fucking nightmare that she has to deal with this.
Speaker 1:It's an awful time and her mom was helping her shop and helping her get a wedding dress and just planning everything with her and it was such a nice time with her mom nobody she was closing bank accounts and stuff Right to merge with her husband and I would say don't close your bank account, keep it and keep your own account, stash.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're gonna hide a lot of money in it. You're gonna put your Botox later, caitlin. You don't need it now, but in 20 years and your Sorrells.
Speaker 1:You're gonna be fucking glad you have it and your Amazon packages. Yes, but Caitlin was gone because she was at that church weekend. She left on a Friday and her mom was gonna pick her up on Sunday. That's why her mom had the car keys in her hand, because Caitlin was supposed to get picked up at six o'clock on Sunday, which was October 30th, at the church, at the church. So Caitlin gets back from the retreat, she's at the church, she's waiting and waiting and she calls home like a mom, like hello, is someone gonna come get me? No one's answering. No one's answering. No one's answering. No one's answering. She calls again, again and again. Finally someone answers the phone and it's her brother, dawson, and he's living with the parents.
Speaker 2:He had graduated from college and then he had started to teach like choir for elementary or music for elementary.
Speaker 1:Very part time, but it was not.
Speaker 2:it didn't go well, and so he was just basically mooching off his parents.
Speaker 1:He had always been living with his parents, except when he went to college and I don't even know if he lived at college, if he was just living at home and went to class.
Speaker 2:They said he did graduate but he did not have a job. Or he did not have a job, he lost it, so he was very short in part time, so he's living there not doing much.
Speaker 1:So Dawson answers and he's like yeah, I remember mom saying something like you were getting picked up at the church. I'm gonna come pick you up because I have some errands, okay. And Caitlin's like oh well, all right. So Caitlin gets picked up by Dawson. Dawson runs his errands. What the hell did he have to do Nothing? I don't know Nothing at all. And we see pictures of these people and they all look very, very normal. They do, which is horrifying. All of them look very, very normal, put together and lovely. So then Dawson's like how about we go to dinner? And Caitlin's like oh, okay, they go to a late dinner and get back very late at 11. 11. If I were Caitlin, I would say Dick, I had been at a church week. I'm exhausted from mingling with weirdos the entire weekend. I wanna go home and take a diarrhea and go to bed Like slam a thousand shots of vodka and then go to bed and then have the diarrhea, or before the bed.
Speaker 1:But anyway, she goes with her brother, does the errands, gets home super late and Dawson says, oh, mom went to bed, she was sick. And Caitlin's like oh well, all right. And Caitlin says she didn't even think about it, she was exhausted, she just went home and went to bed. The next morning her mom did not come out of the bedroom. She was still in the bedroom. So Caitlin thought, well, if she's sick she's just sleeping in.
Speaker 2:And Dawson said that too, but still a little weird.
Speaker 1:Right, kind of like maybe she did just check knock.
Speaker 2:Even if it was my own mom now, I still wouldn't accept the locked door at this point.
Speaker 1:And especially when her door was never locked before. I would wonder like something's going on. But at 6 30 AM Dawson sends a text to Caitlin and they're in the same home Says I talked to mom early this morning and she is not feeling well. She told me she is gonna sleep the rest of the afternoon and Caitlin was like okay. And so Dawson took Caitlin out and about again, driving Caitlin on more errands which, by the way, I hate, city bank.
Speaker 1:So they're doing errands. Caitlin goes to lunch with some friends. She gets home and cannot find Dawson anywhere. So she goes to check on her mom. That's when all of this started, where she's finally knocking on the door. Her mom is not answering. She's noticing it's locked, she can't see in the window. She's getting no response at the window. She calls Justin and Justin's weirded out by all of it. And so that's where we are now, where Justin is over. The police are in the room.
Speaker 1:Caitlin now had tried to call Dawson because he has disappeared. Dawson is not answering his phone call at all. For hours as she's trying to call him, she's not able to get in touch with Dawson anywhere. And they look at Kathleen's phone and they tried to see that what her last call was. Her last call was to Colin, the oldest brother, while she was doing dishes and cleaning up in the kitchen, and that was about four PM. So remember she was supposed to pick up Caitlin from the church around six PM, which she never arrived for. She did get a call from a friend I think it was at five and never answered that phone call. So police are thinking obviously she was killed on that Sunday, which actually wasn't quite Halloween. She was discovered on Halloween, but Sunday the night before sometime after four PM. But since with her keys in her hand, it probably was well, her not answering the phone was kind of weird, so it probably was around five.
Speaker 2:She was on her way.
Speaker 1:She was probably on her way or gonna go run and errand herself and pick up her daughter. The only person that was in that house while this was going on was Dawson. Dawson and Kathleen were alone together the entire weekend because Colin was not there, justin was not there, the dad is who knows where and Caitlin was gone on her trip. So the last person to see her alive was Dawson.
Speaker 1:So they start looking at Dawson some more because he's acting fucking weird and he was born in 1985. He's the third born and, as his older brother, Justin, describes it, he was always kind of a dick, a bit of a handful. He always needed way more attention than everybody else and he didn't. Justin said, which is a signed deodorant. People know he couldn't give a fuck if it was positive attention or negative attention.
Speaker 1:He just wanted fucking attention. And so that's when you kind of know like something ain't right, because they're not even trying to. They're doing stuff, even if it's fucking weird and it's just getting screamed at. They want that attention. Like, instead of breaking the shit out of everything, couldn't you just say let's go outside and play, or something you know, like he just made weird choices.
Speaker 2:Well, they're right and that's not that abnormal. We see it all the time.
Speaker 1:We see it all the time, but it's someone who desperately needs like an attention.
Speaker 2:But here's my deal with it when you are at home and only compared to your three other siblings, right. And you don't go to a school where there are other people, your own age, peers of your own grade, age, abilities, whatever. I feel like a teacher would have maybe caught this sooner and said like hmm, let's look into this, Just because there are some you can compare.
Speaker 2:But as a mom if you only have your four kids in front of your face all the fucking time to compare like yeah, he was needy, you know. And his brother's like yeah, he fucking picked on us all the time. But like, when you don't have that comparison. It's not that we should compare kids, but I just think like maybe something could have been done If he wasn't taken as powers Well, and you have more resources too.
Speaker 1:You know there's a lot more resources that are provided. I'm not trying to blame the victim, no.
Speaker 2:Please don't write an angry letter to me that were scum and worse and thinner. I'm just thinking like this behavior and what he did is things like that teachers are trained to look for not that I would know, but trained to look for and talk about it right and gather resources for.
Speaker 1:Right, so it's hard when, too, you're on your own and you maybe don't have access to all that because you don't know Right, you don't know Right. So she did take him in, and he does get a diagnosis of ADHD. They did not put him on any medication, though. So Dawson, though, later found that music really helped him focus and also helped him emotionally, and they saw that it was making actually seemed to be huge gains, because he would stay with it in practice for hours and stay focused with it and it seemed to be something that got him to finish high school and then he went into college for music and graduated and did really well Right.
Speaker 1:So music was his saving grace in that way, except he couldn't find a job. In music I don't think he Right well, I think. I don't know if he knew what to do with it.
Speaker 2:No, the underlying issue was never dealt with.
Speaker 1:And again.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying you have to medicate anyone on ADHD. That's a family's personal preference, but I guess we don't know what they did to try to help him. When you have ADHD there's a lot of different symptoms. That doesn't just mean oh, I'm super crazy and hyperactive.
Speaker 1:I feel like there was something else and it's obviously it wasn't the ADHD Like a behavioral or mental, and everybody has ADHD. I feel, and he seemed to really respond to his music and there was clearly. Now we're noticing something later on that started happening.
Speaker 1:That was fucked. So Kathleen starts getting more worried because as he graduates college he gets lost. He just doesn't know what to do. He cannot get a job. He can't find a job and keep it. Because he can't find a job in music, and music seems to be like what tamed the beast, kind of.
Speaker 2:He doesn't also has no connections right With anyone except his family, his mom really.
Speaker 1:So he's struggling really badly, while the other ones are pretty successful, and she just doesn't know what to do to help him. She actually started taking him to various psychiatrists.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they helped him at all because it seemed like there was a lot Right, but she was like crying at this point right, she was really making sure that he was taking care of, even while everyone else in her family was like this guy is a fucking dick, don't.
Speaker 1:But they also were. They said a few things that she did at first, that she I kind of see a reason why she did it. So, it said, despite his therapy, his mental health was deteriorating quite quickly. Nothing seems to be working. He was getting more withdrawn and he was smoking a whole lot of the hashish nonstop, and obviously trying to self-medicate and it made his visions or his hallucinations, he started getting like there's a schizophrenia that is the religious based.
Speaker 1:That seems to be a very almost I don't want to say common, but listening to Killer Psyche like a religious focused schizophrenia, and this is someone who was definitely raised with a strong and rich at the center of everything.
Speaker 1:There's a type of schizophrenia that grabs on to that. And he was seeing constant visions of angels and demons, nonstop. He had dreams and visions that, to him, were extremely real. Of these demons talking to him so that seems like it's like oh dear. That just seems just like a schizophrenia and I don't know if he was ever diagnosed with it or treated for that. But I mean, just according to Candice DeLong from Killer Psyche, who talks about it all the time, it's kind of something she just had mentioned.
Speaker 1:Tripper, please, tripper, please, not trying to. Even well what he did as well, that did not help. The situation is, he became fascinated with Halloween and horror Slasher movies and they said the gory or the better, all of them and I. And I get that and you can't. You know you can't blame the movies, just like you couldn't blame, you know, anthrax and rat for the, you know satanic panic in the 80s or Ozzy Osbourne. But he became like Seriously obsessed with these slasher movies and horror movies to where he was a collector, you know, like nerdy collectors. He was collecting props, costumes from movies, masks from all the movies in his bedroom.
Speaker 1:The cops found all sorts of Halloween and slasher movie masks all over Jason, every where. From Friday the 13th, coveralls like Michael Myers wore more bloody Everything. He would wear his Michael Myers Coveralls that Mike or my always wears and all his Michael Myers masks in the Freddie masks, in the, the Jason hockey masks at home and he would wear them. And then he would wear them out in public and then you would go to movies dressed up as this. That's what you say come on, just wear a shirts and a t-shirt. I am not driving the car with you dressed up like fucking Michael Myers to go see sister. None, none sister with whoopie Goldberg.
Speaker 1:Sister act, sister act to. You're not dressing up as Michael Myers. Come on Normal. You cannot have you grown ass, son, without a job. That's always smoking the hushish that is hearing voices and seeing visions of demons and angels telling him to do terrible things. His whole bedroom is filled with knives and masks. Like Michael Myers, it needs to dress like Michael Myers.
Speaker 1:I would shit my pants all the time going to the bathroom at night seeing this dick walking around like that. What are you doing? Get the hell out, get an apartment and go fuck yourself and get a job. But of course she's a mom and she loves them and she's just gives them chance after chance. And even her husband was like Kick him out. I mean, she just wanted to make life easier. She's like I don't want to rock the boat, he's struggling, I just want to help him and she would pick up after him. You would like be a pig and she would clean up after I, after him, and he would like leave messes and still trying to get attention and and I mean, and then he said he was obsessed With religion and would pretend he was Jesus and say he was seeing Jesus, and then he was like Manifesting all sorts of demons talking to him. I mean, like this is serious. He had journals where he was just like writing down these obsessive, weird voices.
Speaker 2:I mean this is serious mental illness, I know but also Guess what if my husband Would have said you're catering too much to Dawson and you're like whatever Baby and him I would say fuck you, tom, with an H, come back home from Japan or China and help me out once in a while. Of course she was doing it all herself.
Speaker 1:I said she just did what she could do to make it easier. She's trying to take care of all our kids and do her thing and her kids. A little weird, she thought. But she's taking him to the doctor and you know, and she's just trying to hope he'll kind of grow out of it.
Speaker 1:While Justin was calling him a pathetic, pitiful, he said unstable, unhealthy, fucker. Yeah, I get it. You know they were all mad at them. But yeah, I know she just and like okay, if you're gonna tell him to pick up his plates, but he's gonna throw a huge fit and create a huge scene and she just like I'm just gonna pick it up and put it away. Who cares? You know? And, but I could, you, she did his laundry. She, he didn't cook or buy any food. You know she did all that form and I'm sure his siblings were like Jesus Christ, you know, I buy my own food, I have to do my own laundry. Why does he have to? You know you can see them saying that. Yeah, but I Mean. And they said he was not even pulling his weight at all, he was being a complete Sludge. Yeah, and dressing up as Jason and Michael, myers and Freddie and walking around the house and going outside like that.
Speaker 2:That is the part that would have caused me to pause Right and say do you think you're wearing those coveralls to church, sir?
Speaker 1:no, Come on Now. Kathleen did start. As Caitlyn was getting married, kathleen realized like she's was kind of enabling and thought, alright, maybe I'll change tactics a little bit and start just kind of doing some tough love. She was really busy with her volunteer work as well and she did not have as much time for him and Dawson started Rebelling against that and he started getting worse and his behavior started getting worse because he was resenting now his mother as seeing her Not giving herself fully to all of his needs and not catering to every need and not buying his favorite fruit snacks or whatever.
Speaker 1:And her attention was going to other stuff and he was starting to get really, really pissed. She probably was cutting off his money amount as well and trying to say you know, honey, I got to give money to Katie's getting married and we're gonna do this, and her new priorities were pissing Dawson off and I guess it was Said that maybe he felt she was abandoning him and not being on his side anymore and his mom was always the one that was kind of on his side and I think he was seeing like she turned against him and with his like down, fall, downfall, no what am I trying to his fucks brain roll yeah his spiral into, you know, deeper and deeper into mental illness.
Speaker 1:Yes and all these fucked-up visions, right and if that is a mental illness, he probably is. Just you can't go and have a normal job when you're just hearing demons screaming at you all day and no one's gonna hire you know where your cover all.
Speaker 1:You can't dress like Jason Michael Myers you and work at subway, oh you sure can't you know. So I mean, he just he needed a lot more help than he was getting. But you don't know If he's not sharing all of that, you don't know. They really never thought he would physically hurt somebody, they just thought he's just a goof. You know, it's just kind of a goof and he's just a kid. Yeah, they're just like he's a loser, yeah, and he's just a pod head and mom, he just wants her to do his laundry. Right, look for him, and he's gonna do it as long as he can and if she's doing it for him, then why would he stop?
Speaker 1:He has no reason to want to go out there right now. They just never thought he was violent ever. But on this Halloween night, dawson is missing and At the same time, it's Halloween, so there are children Everywhere out there and police are thinking okay, dawson seems to be the one who probably did it and he's probably dressed up like Michael Myers and he probably has a huge butcher knife in his hand and he is out there with children, exactly like the Halloween movie. I mean, that's exactly what it was. Michael Myers kills his sister on Halloween and then goes out and he also there's a whole thing.
Speaker 2:He also was out with Half the city who were also wearing costume. Yes, how do you know? It's this cool, not another. Probably 19 people at one house wearing a hockey mask and right.
Speaker 1:Jason. They tried to find his car and search for where his car out, so they did like a be on the lookout and finally after midnight they find his car. I know trippers just, and the person or the cop that found it follows him for a bit and he's waiting for extra units to come, because I'm sure you're like holy shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:They pull him over and they arrest him. He didn't say anything, he just got handcuffed and went right in the back of the patrol car and they take him to and they have actual footage of it and he Is like wearing beetle juice pants.
Speaker 2:He's dressed very oddly, for him even looked like he had, like, mm-hmm, a weird Danny Elfman wig. He had kind of like a hair way puffy Bullcut. Yeah, but then that was actually his real hair.
Speaker 1:It was like he had a very voluminous bull cut and then was wearing black striped.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he looked like a pants.
Speaker 1:He looked like a Beetle juice on a beach vacation like Jack.
Speaker 2:Yes, like Jack scowling.
Speaker 1:In Jamaica or something on the beach weird, danny Elfman. So then, he goes to the police and there's real video of this and he is acting the fool. Oh my god. He is like talking like and his hands are all flailing about. He's staring at the ceiling and rocking back and forth and he's acting like like Dustin Hoffman and Ray man.
Speaker 2:No, they said his arm kept flailing out and like, yes, kind of having fake seizures and this is all fucking pretend.
Speaker 1:It is all ends up fucking pretend and insulting. He's trying to be crazy, yeah they were acting the straight-up fool, does he?
Speaker 2:have Parkinson's, does he like? That's what they were seeing and he was talking all slow and weird.
Speaker 1:Even his siblings were like this is not how what he fucking talks like or acts like. So he's trying to already do the insanity defense by acting like a fucking nut bang.
Speaker 2:Well, guess what? He knew enough. He was saying enough to ask for a lawyer when they finally said did you kill your mom? And he goes.
Speaker 1:I did, and he's fake, stuttering and moving his arms all around like he's getting zapped with electricity in the dick. I mean, just an absolute fool, so weird. And it be better than take acting classes if you're gonna act like a crazy nut bag when you Already are nutty enough. Yeah, I mean you're insane enough that you're doing that. You did what you did and then you're acting like this. You are nuts, but you know what you did was wrong.
Speaker 1:So the police are just like whatever, fuck, fuck off. They get him a lawyer and they arrest him, though, like you murdered your mom, he is wearing clothes that have his mother's blood splattered all over it. So they're like you're wearing. You obviously were there when your mom was killed, because you have blood splatter all over your clothes and that's their proof in the fact that he was the only one home, although they never did find the knife, but they just know that it was fucking him. So his lawyer enters a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity, and I guess in California you do two trials one to see if you're guilty and then one to see if you're nuts.
Speaker 2:I Don't know what that meant.
Speaker 1:But um, I they do the first trial just to see if he was guilty, and right away, like the prosecutors are. Like he knew what he did was wrong because he lied to Caitlin and he said she was sleeping, she's sleeping out. He made up all these excuses, this text that he was talking to her. He kept Caitlin out of the house as long as possible. He locked the door. He was lying. If he really wasn't that, see what I said.
Speaker 1:A demon told me to kill mom and I did so. I did what the demon said. You know like when you're insane, you think what you did is correct because that's what you believe. And he knew he made up all these excuses. He knew what he did was wrong and what they think they did is he dressed up as like Michael Myers or Jason and killed his mom dressed like that. So she gets hit on the head and then turns around and she sees her son, in this idiot outfit with a knife, start stabbing at her. Can you imagine like what in the hell she must have thought? Which one? And how terrified she must have been.
Speaker 2:Which one is Jason and which one is Michael. Well, and they, Myers.
Speaker 1:Either this dick got it wrong or the show got it wrong. But they said he dressed up as Jason to go see Halloween and that was not correct, Because Michael Myers is Halloween.
Speaker 2:Myers is in Halloween.
Speaker 1:And Jason is the hockey mask in Friday, the 13th, Jason hockey mask. So either he didn't even know Michael Myers does he wear a mask. Michael Myers has the William Shatner mask. You know that's, it's actually William Shatner it is yes.
Speaker 2:What the fuck? I don't think I've ever seen it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The Michael Myers mask. They bought a William Shatner mask and spray painted it white. No, I feel like I've never looked at it Because that was all they could get and so that, and they cut the eye holes a little bit bigger. So that is Michael Myers and he wears, like the garage attendant, jumpsuit. Jason oh, now I remember, jason wears the hockey mask.
Speaker 2:What's wrong with Michael Myers?
Speaker 1:Well, he killed his sister on Halloween when he was 10, went to the sanitarium with the Wicker chair. And he escaped when he was like 18 to go find his younger sister.
Speaker 2:And that was Jamie Lee Curtis.
Speaker 1:Yes, to kill her on Halloween.
Speaker 2:Why didn't he like his sisters? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think he wanted all the attention, maybe.
Speaker 2:Jesus.
Speaker 1:Okay. So I haven't straightened my head on that, I don't know if that's what he was trying to do be Michael Myers and kill a family member and then kill another family member, who knows? Was he trying to do that, we don't know? Or were they thinking he was pissed at his mom and he could use the excuse of me being nuts and dressing up like a fool and using that for insanity and then kill my mom if she's gonna take everything away and give it to my sister?
Speaker 2:and I'll show her.
Speaker 1:And so we had it all planned and that's what the prosecutors think Like. He planned it all. He wore the costume to try to be nuts. He talked to the police so they tried to say that he was crazy and he had all this planned to use as an excuse. Well, anyway, they find him guilty and then they actually have two psychiatrists for the defense and two psychiatrists for the prosecutor.
Speaker 1:The defense psychiatrist say he's nuts or insane. The prosecuting psychiatrist say he is perfectly sane. So they had a totally in the middle psychiatrist, like one that was not working for either side, that they both agreed on, interviewed him and found that he was almost textbook, like reading symptoms, and he said if you are insane, you're not telling me your symptoms in this way or whatever. He said he was perfectly sane and that he was making all of this up, in that he knew what he was doing. And so they found him to be guilty and not insane. And so he got what? 17 years to life, something like that. 15 years to life. Yeah, because it was second degree murder.
Speaker 2:They could not agree. 16 years to life.
Speaker 1:They could not agree on first degree murder. But the one psychiatrist thought he planned it all and he was totally sane. But his siblings are just like what the hell? They're just crushed. Obviously, who knows what Tom thinks, Cause Tom has not been around.
Speaker 2:No, tom hates them. Tom said all he did was take and fake and take and take. Yeah, his whole family thinks he sucks.
Speaker 1:Well, he did. I mean he did, but then maybe help the woman out, help her out, tom.
Speaker 2:Be, around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she struggled to figure out what to do with him and I mean she tried her best and she was crying. She tried to help everybody and she knew, like she knew signs of, you know, when things are getting rough and abuse in the home and she was trying to, you know, not take his abuse and try to get him help but sometimes you just you can't help somebody cause they're broken.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and codependency is real and she paid a horrible price, and so did her other children. Yes, sad story it is sad, just my God.
Speaker 1:But if, if Jeannie started dressing in a costume and going outside in costume, I would just be like, no, we're done. No, this is done. We don't do that now. We don't do that ever. We're driving to the hospital now.
Speaker 2:If it is not Halloween.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you get into the car and we go to it. We're going to go to a place where they're going to cross your arms and put you in a white coat. Your arms are going to be pulled to the back and you're going to be in a special room. No, no, you don't go see Sister Act II in your Jason mask. No, you do not.
Speaker 2:Come on. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1:Well, all right, we have our book club tomorrow too. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:I wrote down so many questions. I want to talk about.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you did.
Speaker 2:I'm nerding out about it.
Speaker 1:I'm glad Again, you liked it. I was nervous.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I loved it, good Even the ending.
Speaker 1:That was quite gory.
Speaker 2:I didn't think it was good the whole time. I was just like, yes, bitches.
Speaker 1:I know I loved it.
Speaker 2:All right Okay, so thank you Find us on Zoom tomorrow. It'll be somewhere on our Facebook page, 730 Central Standard Time. We'll be there with our wine. Bye.
Speaker 1:Yeah.