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Wherever you"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1838.93,"endTime":1840.01,"body":"get your podcasts"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1840.04,"endTime":1842.26,"body":"And be sure to leave a"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1840.04,"endTime":1842.26,"body":"review that helps us get the"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1842.26,"endTime":1842.68,"body":"word out."},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1843.05,"endTime":1845.36,"body":"Special thanks"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1843.05,"endTime":1845.36,"body":"to Peter Martin for the amazing"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1845.36,"endTime":1849.26,"body":"music. And remember, keep the"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1845.36,"endTime":1849.26,"body":"upper hand come back next"}]}