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That is the origins"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1720.13,"endTime":1725.29,"body":"of the American Society for"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1725.29,"endTime":1728.47,"body":"Surgery of the Hand, as told by"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1725.29,"endTime":1728.47,"body":"Peter Carter."},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1729.46,"endTime":1731.95,"body":"Hey, Chris, that was fun. Let's"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1729.46,"endTime":1731.95,"body":"do it again real soon."},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1732.22,"endTime":1734.74,"body":"Sounds good. Well, be"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1732.22,"endTime":1734.74,"body":"sure to check us out on Twitter"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1734.74,"endTime":1737.17,"body":"at hand podcast. Hey, Chuck,"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1734.74,"endTime":1737.17,"body":"what's your Twitter handle?"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1737.5,"endTime":1740.35,"body":"Mine is"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1737.5,"endTime":1740.35,"body":"@congenitalhand. What about you?"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1740.5,"endTime":1743.89,"body":"Mine is @ChrisDyMD"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1740.5,"endTime":1743.89,"body":"spelled d-y. And if you'd like"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1743.89,"endTime":1747.7,"body":"to email us, you can reach us at"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1743.89,"endTime":1747.7,"body":"handpodcast@gmail.com."},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1748.34,"endTime":1750.47,"body":"And remember,"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1748.34,"endTime":1750.47,"body":"please subscribe wherever you"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1750.47,"endTime":1751.55,"body":"get your podcast"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1751.58,"endTime":1753.8,"body":"and be sure to leave a"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1751.58,"endTime":1753.8,"body":"review that helps us get the"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":1753.8,"endTime":1754.19,"body":"word out."},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1754.58,"endTime":1756.89,"body":"Special thanks"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1754.58,"endTime":1756.89,"body":"to Peter Martin for the amazing"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1756.89,"endTime":1760.85,"body":"music. And remember, keep the"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":1756.89,"endTime":1760.85,"body":"upper hand. Come back next time"}]}