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So I will let you"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2052.97,"endTime":2056.93,"body":"enjoy the rest of the rest of"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2056.93,"endTime":2058.61,"body":"your day. And thanks, everybody"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2056.93,"endTime":2058.61,"body":"for listening."},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2059.36,"endTime":2061.37,"body":"Hey, Chris,"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2059.36,"endTime":2061.37,"body":"that was fun. Let's do it again"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2061.37,"endTime":2061.88,"body":"real soon."},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2062.15,"endTime":2064.64,"body":"Sounds good. Well, be"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2062.15,"endTime":2064.64,"body":"sure to check us out on Twitter"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2064.88,"endTime":2067.07,"body":"@handpodcast. Hey, Chuck, what's"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2064.88,"endTime":2067.07,"body":"your Twitter handle?"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2067.43,"endTime":2070.28,"body":"Mine is"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2067.43,"endTime":2070.28,"body":"@congenitalhand. What about you?"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2070.4,"endTime":2073.79,"body":"Mine is @ChrisDyMD"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2070.4,"endTime":2073.79,"body":"spelled d y. And if you'd like"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2073.79,"endTime":2077.06,"body":"to email us, you can reach us at"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2073.79,"endTime":2077.06,"body":"handpodcast@gmail.com."},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2078.23,"endTime":2080.36,"body":"And remember,"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2078.23,"endTime":2080.36,"body":"please subscribe wherever you"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2080.36,"endTime":2081.44,"body":"get your podcasts."},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2081.5,"endTime":2083.69,"body":"And be sure to leave a"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2081.5,"endTime":2083.69,"body":"review that helps us get the"},{"speaker":"Chris Dy","startTime":2083.69,"endTime":2084.11,"body":"word out."},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2084.489,"endTime":2086.799,"body":"Special thanks"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2084.489,"endTime":2086.799,"body":"to Peter Martin for the amazing"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2086.799,"endTime":2090.759,"body":"music. And remember, keep the"},{"speaker":"Charles Goldfarb","startTime":2086.799,"endTime":2090.759,"body":"upper hand. Come back next time."}]}