Podcast oficial da Brazil at Silicon Valley
Podcast oficial da Brazil at Silicon Valley
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🇧🇷 Lucas Mendes é o nome por trás da Beleza na Web e da Revelo, conectando o ecossistema brasileiro ao Vale do Silício com a autoridade de quem hoje colabora com grandes corporações.
Com passagens por Stanford, ele traz a perspectiva de quem não apenas observa tendências, mas constrói a infraestrutura que está moldando o futuro do trabalho e da tecnologia global.
Assista para entender onde o hype termina e a execução lucrativa começa!
🇺🇸 Lucas Mendes is the name behind Beleza na Web and Revelo, connecting Brazil’s ecosystem to Silicon Valley with the authority of someone who now collaborates with industry giants.
With time at Stanford, he brings the perspective of someone who doesn’t just observe trends, but builds the infrastructure shaping the future of work and global technology.
Watch to understand where the hype ends and profitable execution begins!
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Oi pessoal, tudo bem? Aqui é a Camila da BSV. We are conversando com o Lucas Mendes, who is a fundamental in série, funded Tanto Beleza no Web and I was talking about Reve-Lukas. Antes of all, and I think for come to compartment a bit with people what was your trajectory at the time.
SPEAKER_01It's a pleasure and the world. You stand for G and this Silicon Valley. I feel much mixed feeling about this, because I think it was this density so the ecosystem of technology was present in the world that is the most density of technology in the world. But I'll talk about a little bit of my background. I'm engineered for the student, the University of Saint Paul, Poly. And then I want my audience with an amigo in the episode of Poly. And the world, we had no experience in the empresa in the episode, and we started funding with another that was. This model was focused in Brazil, I guess. So we submitted them to an evaluation previously, and we observed many of them, a quantity of them. And that was the willingness to pay, the vitality of them to pay for this service. They were levied all the rodents, the Valor Capital lider on the Series A, SIC, who is a fund Australian, and the Series Baby was made by the IFC, for more fundamentals. And when the COVID, the gentleman, the demand for talent will come up, nothing is recruiting more. And Americans who were in business of talent to month teams of technology remotes. I pergunt where you can see more talents in America Latina, and the name of those Revello continues. In 2024, with the commentative, a gentleman, the use of the AI to create coding, seriously, so we feel a series of mudances in our models. For example, because there was a GitHub Copilot, the Cloud Code, those engineers who work via Revel for empresas are equipped with this. Not just for training those models, ambient virtual for capturing metadata of professionals with models. And we construct this fermental. So it's like in 2024. There are others.
SPEAKER_00Although I was legal that's a history is what you moved, of problems that you were resolving. O que a Beleza Web faz, o que a própria review faz. I think a detail what motives to do these mudances, what you motivate to do these pivot in solutions, and when you decided that was a passion to make a lot different.
SPEAKER_01So I'll follow all these things. For some reason, I thought that it was a way to reshape reality, to mold that I was interested. And so that's a member of professional services was a thing that I could do. And then I started a janela that's the hour, I think I saw my idea, etc. So I was annoyed amadure, and my terminal. And I think so that are. I think to founder me, when you feel an opportunity and you have a lot of capturing this opportunity. And we saw the necessity of the market. In our case, the ativo was, along the 50 years of Rivella, created a redeem that might be 3 million signups or 2 million signups, or something. But if you old devs, programmers, and professionals of technology that passed the nosso screening, might be 400 million people. So this ativo was precioso, and monetizing it in manner efficient in Brazil, not monetizing in the St. And the ones that had this opportunity enough. I think when the people think to come in an embrace, Camila, those think or not. And the reality is that there are various things of scenes of this coming to get right and get a deck in the year and night and get an exit in Nasdaq, before a month to find an employees, and then you don't move after one to come in an employees. So for me, the way to look for this empreended is a journey to get opportunities and it's a lot of it. You make a decision and then you make it right. So there's a decision set.
SPEAKER_00I think most people, when else are in this corporative, construct. So much abandoned it, but nunca acharam uma ideia para investir. I'm okay.
SPEAKER_01The most important is that you stay in camp, you stay in the arena, jog. And you don't have to do this if you have a chef, if you don't have entrepreneurs for it. And so I think it's if you are in a position corporative and vont to come to one of the things, a prime is se jogar. And se jogue com uma ideia que seja imperfeita. Pelo menos que seja a problem that you can pass 10 years traveling side in this problem and testing miles differently to resolve this problem. Cara, if you're this problem, I think you're pronounced to pull out the bark and executive and control a fit. Because I think that's the reality is. The reality is a solution will be, but the problem that you are resolving, for example, evolution, it is essentially the same. So you can be disposed to get for a solution to achieve someone that's fit.
SPEAKER_00Boa, perfect. I've been following a reveal in six, you follow a pivotage and the property reveal.
SPEAKER_01I'd have been lost this in 2017, 2018, 2016, I'd have been made. So I think I'm policies. I never made it, I mean to have made more, or to move lentamente. So investidors can escut what your investid can, the mercury can. As the investid is an excellent canal to track information to mercury that you don't have, because it's super normal. I should error much to the line to tent things differently. No, we gave the market.
SPEAKER_00Boa, perfeito, obrigada. Outra dúvida que eu tenho aqui principalmente if you are tocando reveal, você acaba tendo muito contato, tanto com talentos em tecnologia, quanto com as próprias evoluções da IA. O que eu queria pegar um pouco da sua opinião é como você vê a IA mudando o mercado de talentos em tecnologia. E aqui, até para te dar um pouco mais de cor, acho que atualmente existem muitas dúvidas de como é que vai mudar o mercado, principalmente para desenvolvedores júniors, para quem está querendo começar no mercado agora. Como você vê isso acontecendo?
SPEAKER_01Acho que isso é um tema que eu adoro falar. A gente tem um podcast na Revelo que se chama Tech Teams Today, ele é todo inglês, ele é voltado para o mercado americano, tem um canal de YouTube. Se quiser, eu passo o link depois. But semana eu entrevisto algum CEO of the empresa americana que está montando time. A gente fala sobre isso, a gente fala sobre contratações, a gente fala sobre estrutura de time, a gente fala sobre adoção de IA, a gente fala sobre ferramental, a gente fala sobre produtividade. And I will follow, é muito mais a opinião desses varios dezenas ofers que eu já entrevistei no podcast. Mas tem alguns pontos. Primeiro, a ideia de que o desenvolvedor se tornar disnecessary is falsa. But acontece, basicamente, a desenvolvedor consegue fazer 100% do que ele conseguia atrás a través. Although 2, 5, 1, 10, but if you have a 10 year ROI, you don't compra menos desse ativo, você compra mais desse ativo. Sous-titres. Tanto é que a demanda do nosso service of contratação has aumentado. And one of the reasons, if you look at the micro, what do you think is that there's much idea that passes the phase of prototype more rapid for cause of the IA. So if you precisely have a force of execution of front ends, back ends, you precisely have robusted in your area of revolves and infra more than what you precisely. You precisive more rapid. Chat é extremamente tentadora de que nossa veio para os empregos, ando continuar sendo dito, and you just have an ative that's a professional technology that was 10 years the ROI, you compare, so for me, the requisites and the abilities of this professional mud. It's different. And for this, you don't have. And the frontiers between product and engineering are nebulosis, because the team of product entry software, the design is entertaining the necessity of negotiation. So that's the prime. For example, identificação of padrões of programmation, system design, architetura, conseguir un olhar macro para segurança, conseguir entender quais são as integrações andas limitações que o seu sistema vai ter when it chegar em scala. So a gente fala os cargos de juniors estão ameaçados, estão. O que eu quero é desenvolvedores juniors que tem essas abilidades que hoje só estão com seniors. So what you have visto as people say is the process of entrevista move. The process of entrevista is much more than enjoying these abilities typically of seniors in people of quality seniority. And I think there's emprego for desenvolved juniors. If you deixar um buraco de contexto, for example, ela vai assumir alguma coisa, vai alucinar alguma coisa ali. Não alucinar no sentido de errado, but no sentido de you will have an assumption, a premissa aqui minha sem contar com o property. But é isso, então recapitulando aqui uma resposta longa, I a existe demanda, a demanda está aumentando, um ativo que tem 10 ROI. Você compra mais esse ativo. Secondo coisa é existe emprego para desenvolvedor juniors, mas com habilidades que hoje não estão presentes nos desenvolvedores juniors.
SPEAKER_00Boa, perfeito, muito obrigada. Até um ponto que você tocou que eu gostaria de explorar um pouco mais, quem você disse que desenvolvedores têm que entender a necessidade do negócio, e aqui eu acho que tem dois pontos. Tem o ponto de muitos desenvolvedores não têm interesse, e realmente é uma mudança de mentalidade que precisa ter, mas também tem o ponto de que algumas empresas não dão essa abertura, não dão abertura para o desenvolvedor se envolver na área de negócios. Aqui eu queria pegar um pouco mais a sua opinião sobre isso, como é que as empresas podem se reinventar para trazer o desenvolvedor junto para a área de negócios também.
SPEAKER_01I acho que não vai ter escolha, tá? Eu acho que elas não têm muita escolha do que fazer isso or nothing. I think that's much in moda in Vale do Silício, que é a forward deployed engineer, which basically is an engineer of software, a person who programs, software that is presented with the clients, that are interaging with the clients. But that's the idea. The idea is that the form that the professional product produces prototypes more rapidly, the desenvolved insights of product. So we can expose this involved to discover quality, and vendors, they could use this and connect the things. If they're interesting or not, I think it's much more question of sobrevivence, because in more time there will be space for a desenvolved to precisely all the structure that trages the information that the necessity of the negotiation for that or for it. I think this might be a question of.
SPEAKER_00Boa, muito obrigada. Aqui mudando um pouco o tópico, como você vê o Brazil se posicionando inicial of technology, in this mercado that is mud in the gente position in germal?
SPEAKER_01I vejo's revelation, a revelation has been come up in the Brazil. So we're with America Latina, we had some acquisitions in America Latina, in Mexico, in Argentina, in Columbia, and now we have exposition to the pool of talents in these areas, but we originate in manner organic. So the Brazil and the American Latin as a lot, in a spectrum of costs and quality, are in the way of the camera those two. But in the media the quality of the design is more, the Latin American is more. And the contrary with the European Oriental. So in the European Oriental, the professional are more cars than in America Latina, but they are more qualificated and more productive. And so the desenvolved Brazilian or Latino-American is the pace or that. It is the fusion that some people are talking about. There are more rígidas and the desenvolved to be for the escritorious? I concord, I concord that for all the positions is more.
SPEAKER_00Ainda a little bit in this point of Brazil, I can't follow the mudança de carreau, do me corporatively.
SPEAKER_01If you have other ways to be in contact with the market that you interested, at least. Admiral to Pensacana. You can find exactly what the model in aberration is prone to error.
SPEAKER_00Boa, perfeito. Sobre os casos de uso, acho que ficou muito claro que um bom caso de uso é engenharia de software, como você falou. Eu queria saber um pouco do outro lado. Você tem opinions de casos de uso that colocar I was disastroso, principalmente pela question non-deterministica, alguma story that's a lot.
SPEAKER_01Tem o caso do DACLARN, que ficou bem famoso, I think it was in 2024, 2024 or 2025, that the CEO DACLA public saw that it was demitted 500 people of the team of customer success of those because it had to be substituted for model. So passed six months, or eight years, or nine years, because the reality is that they're contrating, because the model not gerenciated and 20% that you're talking about, it would be disastrous. I ask that using AI is the segregation of the success, not simply application in manner CER. In this case, they precisely guardrails, you precisely of humans controlling cases of exceeding, let's follow, I ask that in final, probably a Klarna hoje has many people of CS do que AI assisted. But I asked to achieve that simply resolve to do a lot of. Ah, but Lucas, you don't follow that we can roll out those empregos. I followed engenheist software. Engenheurs of software have a potential creative and potential of construction for a negotiation. So the engenho of software, if they take a roadmap, a pipeline infinite, basically. So in fact there are ideas of things a mouse to make in the empresa, it conside construction, the empresa consegue produce.
SPEAKER_00Boa, perfect. And one point nisson. Temos a difference of cases of use, on to appliance, but implementar and make this in form effective. Of course you ask that differentiation, following principally of empresas tradicionais, grandes, what difference one that consegue implementar the form correct and one that accounts falling?
SPEAKER_01And I think this passes for you to have both. I think there's people who enter this idea of 20% that will be rid of us, and create processes to have the minimum impact possible, and you can provide in manner programmatic or scalable context that the IA is used. You don't move the gargoyle from a little bit to another one. So I think that's the idea that we have been successful. I think the IAR Gargalo, but I guarantee that you don't simply technology is 10 years more productive, and the team of product general backlog for those, they generate a gargalo in the team of product.
SPEAKER_00Lucas, acho que estamos chegando aqui no nosso tempo. Muito obrigada pela sua disponibilidade, muito obrigada por falar aqui. Acho que você trouxe muitas ideias muito legais para a gente compartilhar. E é isso.
SPEAKER_01Ótimo. Muito bom. Obrigado pelo convite e looking forward aí para a próxima edição do BSD.
SPEAKER_00Perfeito, sim. Vamos ter edição agora no começo de abril.
SPEAKER_01Ótimo.
SPEAKER_00Então, muito obrigada, viu?
SPEAKER_01Valeu, até mais, Kenimala. Tchau, tchau.
SPEAKER_00Até mais, tchau, tchau.