Epstein Revelations with Journalist Jamie Crawford-Exclusive Interview

In this new season (11th on the Radio since 2015) our guest is Jamie Crawford Independent Journalist and investigator regarding the Epstein trafficking ring. This scandal has being obfuscated by the media and has been pushed suppressed by our current government. He discusses "The Box" nightclub, Epstein associates, Hollywood rapists and the persecution of journalists like him. We zone in on the attempt to minimize the crimes and claim that since Epstein was already convicted there is nothing to see and no one else has face prosecution. Please support Jamie's work here: https://jamiefcrawford.substack.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to another episode of Mystic Skeptic Radio. On today's show, our guest is Jamie Crawford. He's an independent journalist and investigator regarding the Epstein trafficking ring. Uh that in my opinion is being off obfuscated by the media and has been pushed to the back of the news cycle as Trump continues to commit blunders, war crimes, and possibly dictatorial behavior. We're taping this in the in late June and we'll be broadcasting it in during our 11th season starting the fall. So, Jamie, um welcome to the show. We wanted to know uh by your background and what is your interest in this particular case.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, hi, I'm Jamie, and uh I'm currently uh finishing off my master's degree in journalism at the University of Oregon. Uh I was actually I was getting my bachelor's degree in uh in biology in 2019. I was just wrapping up that degree when 2019 is the uh you know Epstein was arrested and died in prison. And uh and so I was wrapping up my degree and and that along with a couple other things uh that was happening kind of in the news that year, it just kinda It made me re-evaluate my relationship with the term conspiracy, uh conspiracy theory, and uh I was also just kind of losing faith in the mainstream media and uh and also like I just kind of I I almost I kind of stumbled into journalism by uh just kind of I just kind of realized that there's so many archives online at this point that have been accumulating for decades. And especially when it comes to these these powerful corrupt people, you know, they've been leaving an online footprint for for decades at this point, and uh these archives are there to sift through for anyone who's willing to do the legwork to just kind of uh go and see what's been buried by time and kind of uh re-evaluate maybe uh older artifacts on the internet with a with a fresh perspective with the some of the context that we have today. And uh it's especially easy to do with uh Epstein-related stories uh just because again, yeah, these are these are powerful people that have left an imprint online, and we have so much information uh about what was going on now, especially even just in the last like six months with the release of the Epstein files. Uh we know a lot now, so uh when you go back and do some digging for some modern context, uh it it can change your perspective on things that uh wouldn't have been readily apparent uh you know back in the day. And uh yeah, so so uh the Epstein story breaking in 2019 was a big reason why I pivoted away from uh uh working my biology degree and why I pivoted towards journalism. And I've been working at it for, you know, uh about five years now. And uh and yeah, uh I've been working on a the biggest story of my career in like the in the last year or so, and it's been about uh the box nightclub in New York City and uh its relationship to Jeffrey Epstein. Uh I I you know I received uh a tip that he was he had involvement there and that uh he may have even been an investor. And so I I took that lead and went to the archives and have built a pretty pretty expansive story on this subject. And uh and and this nightclub ended up just being the beginning. Uh there were so many other threads to pull at when I once I just realized that there were so many other Epstein associates hanging out around this club, and some of them who really have flown under the radar uh compared to other Epstein associates. Uh and so there have been a lot of threads to pull at, and this story is snowballed into one that's it's more than it's more than just about this nightclub. It's about hot hoteliers, it's about uh uh elite concierge services for the mega rich, it's about auction houses, it's about modeling agencies, uh, and and then even like uh suspected foreign spies and uh mass surveillance companies. So there's there's really a lot on this story that we can get into.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

Well, you mentioned uh associates, but uh who's actually implicated? Because we had a previous guest on the show that tried to minimize the crimes and claim that since Epstein was already convicted, there's really nothing to see, and no one else is gonna face prosecution. So um we can talk about all the people that knew him, we can talk about all the people that knew what he was doing, they were friends with him, even though he was a convicted human trafficker, and then nothing happens uh because there's no evidence, they're gonna try to pull the statute of limitations. Uh, there's a thousand uh victims, they were in Congress, um, and nobody has interviewed them or gone further with the leads. But what is what are we to do, and how can we uh pressure the government to go after people that are through your research and the research of others, it's become very clear that they were actually implicated.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

Yeah, I mean, I think one of the most important things to do is to uh use subpoena power and for Congress to subpoena a lot of these people to come in and have to testify in front of Congress. Um because it's it's a lower threshold than to try and levy, you know, criminal charges at someone. But if we can, you know, I think I think so many of us just want to kind of uh want to investigate this story in, you know, just a very straightforward and organized manner. And uh to do that, the I think the best way is to get people to testify uh in front of Congress. Uh and uh I think there are so many people who maybe maybe they're not guilty of of anything more than just being associated with him uh even after his uh his initial arrest and prison time and conviction. Uh but even those people should be coming in and saying what they know, uh maybe anything that they witnessed, even if, even if in hindsight uh in hindsight maybe things that they saw that they didn't think much about at the time, but in hindsight maybe they they do. Um and so so yeah, I guess I just think subpoena power is is the way to go when it comes to just getting people on the record talking about what they know. And I I uh I I think there's a lot of people in my story that definitely should be subpoenaed. Uh Simon Hammerstein, who is the owner of the Box Nightclub, uh Andre Balage, who is a luxury hotelier, and uh and his and his ex-wife, Katie Ford, who runs Ford Modelling Agency, and um uh mul multiple of Epstein's victims have uh come forward and talked about Katie Ford and how since she ran Ford Modelling, which is which was you know for a long time the biggest modeling agency in in the world in the world, and uh multiple victims have come come forward and said that Epstein was able to use this connection to Katie Ford to, you know, it was one of the one of the uh ways he would groom his victims is you know offer them the chance to uh become models, Ford models. Uh Maria Farmer has talked about this, and uh and then Lisa Phillips. Uh Lisa Phillips did become a Ford model. Uh Lisa Phillips uh uh is a victim of Epstein who uh a survivor at Epstein, and she she was at one point working on a modelling job in the uh in like the British West Indies, and uh one of her friends, or one of her uh fellow fellow models, invited her to this private island on one of their off days, and it ended up being Epstein's island. So Lisa Phillips went to the island, uh, met him that night, had dinner with him, and then that night uh, you know, she was you know asked to give him a massage, and she was on a private island, she had no way no way to get away, and she was abused that night on the island. Um she uh left the next day, she got she you know, she got the hell out of there and didn't want to ever look back, and she was avoiding his calls for months after that. Uh and then I think about four months later, uh she eventually talked to him on the phone, and he yeah, he he he knew she was a model. He uh he remembered that at their dinner together she had said her dream is to become a Ford model, and he said, Hey, I know Katie Ford, I can get you a a meeting with her. And so she so she took that opportunity. It was, you know, that's uh her it was her dream, and so she she got a job at Ford Models. Uh, you know, when she met with Katie Ford, apparently Katie Ford was just like, oh, I I love Jeffrey. And uh yeah, and you know, so and he had it, he had her he had his clutches in her after that, right? Um and yeah, and if if if if we want to keep going on on this topic too, like specifically, uh once I once I started going down this rabbit hole, I saw uh you know, k uh Lisa Phillips talked on a podcast about how uh Epstein and Katie Ford invited her to this like uh movie premiere party. And uh basically uh at this movie premiere party there was uh an A-list celebrity that was all over Lisa Phillips, and she she she talks about this on podcast, but she doesn't name the celebrity because she has an NDA with him. Uh but she says he was all over her at the at the party, and then her boss, Katie Ford, invited her to an after-party, but that after party ended up just being this celebrity's hotel room, his hotel suite, and then you know, it was just a few of them there, and Lisa went to the bathroom to collect herself, and then like she wanted to leave. And uh when she came out of the bathroom, Katie Ford had had left her there alone, so it was just her and the celebrity, and she was assaulted that night. Um I was able to use some some some of the hints in that story. Uh basically it was it was a movie premiere party, it was an A-list celebrity, uh, and she said it happened in the early 2000s, and I I know that uh a lot of a lot of these celebrity gatherings, photographs from them end up on sites like Getty Images, which is like a photo archive. Everyone's probably seen images online with like the Getty Images, Watermark. Um, and so I started going to I I was looking up celebrity names and like starting with just like the celebrity names in the black book, like some people like Mick Jagger, or like Alec Baldwin, Kevin Spacey, uh, and just going to the that time period of the early 2000s, seeing like what I could find in the pictures, and uh uh I was exhausting all my possible name options, but then uh I was looking up uh celebrities associated with Jean-Luc Brunel and uh Jack Nicholson is one of them, and then I I did end up finding a picture of Jack Nicholson and Lisa Phillips at uh movie premiere party for one of his movies. And um uh and there's also uh uh in the in the archives there's uh there's a story about Jack Nicholson at one point chasing another Ford model around the pool at one of Andre Bellage's hotels, and Andre Belage is Katie Ford was Katie Ford's husband at the time. Um and so all all signs point towards it being Jack Nicholson, and and Lisa Phillips, she has to be careful because she did sign an NDA with him, but uh she's even after after I broke that story, she she ref she she referenced my story in other interviews, and so she's you know, it it it it definitely seems like it was Jack Nicholson. Uh so so that that's just one example of uh one of the one of the many rabbit holes that this this whole uh macroscopic story that started with the box nightclub. Uh it's just one of the many like avenues that this has led me down.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Um yeah, so sorry, I know that was a long tangent, but no, that's that's one of the the most uh revealing things uh from your research that uh it was in plain sight, like that you have uh dirtbag, um, Hollywood, um, famous people and women who become vulnerable because they're all lawyered up, they are being cornered and put in weird situations. And a lot of people were saying that Weinstein wasn't really uh like uh perpetrator or um predator, he was more like an opportunist. Uh same with Cosby. So so a lot of people are sexist in that way or enabling in that way where they try to uh you know dismiss it. Um Nick Fuentes was saying that that Epstein wasn't really uh trafficker, that he was just a creep. Uh Trump has done similar things, but uh I want to go to the the beginning of this whole situation because it's very confusing. And I think what makes it confusing is that there's so many people involved, there's so many people who are supporting each other in these types of uh perversions, and I can see someone looking at your um expose on the box and saying, Well, you're uh you know king shaming people because they're weird and into you know perverted stuff, but that's not a crime. If you know if a bunch of adults pee on each other or do naughty things, what does that have to do with this guy being a pedophile and trafficking young girls?

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Yeah, no, definitely. So yeah, you know, you know, I try not to be a Puritan, and yeah, if if it's all adults and it's all consensual, then yeah, I'm nobody to judge. Um and so yeah, a lot of a lot of the stuff that goes on at the box is yeah, uh jaw-dropping, but if all done consensually, is is fine. Um, like there's stories of like Leonardo DiCaprio getting condoms emptied upon him, uh Susan Sarandum having vomit spewed all over her. But there's also stories about apparently once Owen Wilson and Kate Hudson uh stormed out because they did a a vaudeville act on stage that used a live baby, a human crying baby. Um so, you know, that's obviously not cool. And uh and uh in my uh in building the story, I was able to gain access to a um an in-house documentary that the box produced about themselves, uh, and it was never supposed to see the light of day. Uh and there is a line in in this documentary, and it's from one of their top performers, uh, it's this guy named Raven O. And uh he was like he became an icon at the box, and he was like the MC. Uh so really one of the one of their top performers, and in this in-house documentary, uh in one of his talking heads, he he's reminiscing and he's saying, Oh, he says, he says, if oh, if if if I wanted to do a show that was, you know, about pedophilia, or if I wanted to do a show that was political, then he's like the the owners, Simon and Richard, they would just say, Yeah, let's do it. And so he says it right there. That he said he said that he was allowed to do shows about pedophilia. Whatever that means, it's a little vague, but it's I'll tell you this. I reached out to the box with all my questions, I asked them about all I asked them about all their connections to to Epstein, which I laid out to them and which we can go through in a bit. Uh, and I asked them about that line in that documentary. I s I asked them what their top performer meant when he said he was allowed to put on shows about pedophilia. And they didn't answer any of my questions. Instead, they sent me a cease and desist. Um, they threatened me with over with uh with up to $150,000 in statutory damages because they they they referred to that documentary that I acquired journalistically, they called it stolen material. It wasn't it wasn't stolen. Uh and because I I I put it on my Patreon page, uh it's a really explicit documentary, uh, and should not be viewed by children. So it's it's behind a paywall on my Patreon. And so they said I was, you know, benefiting from copyrighted material, stolen material, and yeah, and threatening $150,000 in statutory damages. And, you know, I've consulted with lawyers about this, and there is no way for them to collect statutory charges uh for that copyright unless unless um they have a copyright registration number. And to get a copyright registration number, you have to jump through quite a few hoops and you have to like submit this media to the Library of Congress. And, you know, they it's this isn't this isn't copyrighted material. They I asked them for the registration number, they didn't provide one. And so, yeah, so you know, I think they have squandered any benefit of the doubt there that you know I asked them, I asked them straight up, what what did your performer mean when he said he was allowed to put on shows about pedophilia? And they tried to intimidate me into silence. They told me to delete the footage, remove it from all my platforms, and and permanently delete it from you know my hard drives and all that. Uh so I think that I think that's pretty telling that that's their response to these questions. It's just to try and intimidate uh an independent journalist into silence. So so yeah, um, you know, if it's just celebrities at these clubs pissing and shitting on each other consensually among adults, that that's ultimately fine. But we have reason to believe that there's darker things going on there uh based on this this admission from the performer, and again, all of the connections to Epstein, uh which we can get into here in a bit if you want, because they're quite extensive.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

Okay, so some of the retractors or um people would they would say if it was such a vast conspiracy, how come it never got out? If it was, if it implicated both um Democrats and Republicans, why uh the Democrats uh arrested Epstein and the Republicans released some of the evidence? And then if it was the Mossad, why is there still living um victims? Um if they're known for you know hiding stuff or same with the CIA? Uh, what would you say to people that feel that it is um almost like um uh Steve Bannon's style of um overwhelming the media and all of us floating the zone to the point where we don't even know what's true anymore? Um what would you say for to people that that go the other way? Instead of saying there's a vast conspiracy and they're all demon uh possessed, uh you know, sacrifice children and stuff like that, to this kind of like who would be that stupid to be sending uh emails from from their personal account about human trafficking and sex with minors. Uh, how would you respond to all of that?

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean I think one of the revelations from the Epstein Files is the ineptitude of some of these people. Uh because yeah, I think a lot of things can be true at once. I think um these people can be very powerful, but they're not all powerful. And you know they can be cunning, but they're still humans, and humans make mistakes, and uh and you know, and I think it is possible to um to to capture powerful people through honeypotting, and you know, what if you have someone in a sexually compromising situation, you you can have power over that person, and and so you you can have influence and sway in in in those kind of ways, but it's not an infallible system. And so I think obviously Epstein's operation was on some level effective and successful because he got away with it for for decades. Um but now it is coming out, so you know, it it things did leak. So so yeah, you you know, you have on one extreme say uh, you know, people uh kind of the way you put it, you know, there's uh on on one extreme there's the people who think it's like just the the ultimate conspiracy and they're all, you know, demons eating children, all powerful lizard people, and then sure, there's people on the other extreme who are just completely dismissing the entire thing as uh it's all yes, all nonsense, nothing to see here. But the answer really does lie somewhere in the middle. Uh right, like there was clearly a lot of corruption going on, a lot of uh sex trafficking, uh uh for the pleasure of Epstein and his friends, but also as a way of getting dirt on people. And you know, and it and it worked for a while, but it eventually caught up with him. Uh you know, he became a very, very powerful person, but ultimately still not like an all-powerful, you know, god, like you know, he is he is still a human within a human system, and there's always gonna be competing factions with different interests, and and life is messy, the world is messy. So um so I don't know if that kind of answers your your question a bit on kind of the way I shared this.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Do you know much about his original mentors? Um, Whitney Webb was talking about Jamal Kachowski and uh Steven Hoffenberg, that um when you start uh going back to the beginning of, and that's where people think uh he was a plan from the Rockefellers, the um Rothschilds, or the Mossad or something like that, that he became too uh rich too quick and he had too much influence. But then you see that uh there is allegations of him doing money laundering for Russians, for Saudis. Uh working with the previous uh State Department guy, Barr, and all these very um powerful men that they were kind of setting him up to become their middleman. Um, is that where you see uh the rise of Epstein, or do you think that it is some kind of uh MKUltra, you know, perfect spy who had so much uh to gain or to give to all the different intelligence uh agencies from around the world?

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Yeah, so I think if you look at Epstein's life and trajectory, there seemed to be he seemed to kind of level up over time. Uh, you know, he he got uh he got a job at the Dalton School, uh, and that he was hired by uh what William Barr's father, uh yeah, Bill Barr's father, um to work, and he didn't even have the the proper credentials to have to have that job. And it's like you know, this is like an elite boarding school. Uh and he didn't have the credentials to work there, but he got a job there. Um and you know, William Barr's father is a strange character. He he wrote a weird sci-fi book that was basically all about like this alien race and how the elites did a lot of sex trafficking and sex slavery. Uh so uh I've I haven't read that book. I I've I've been meaning to at some point. It sounds bizarre. Um so you know, so episode he got this job at the at the at the uh the the uh the Dalton School, which and again he didn't have the credentials to to get there, so who knows, like, you know, how did he did he did he get that job through, you know, what became his MO, which was uh you know, blackmail, or or or or did someone elevate him to that position and look the other way because he was stuck, you know, some people do think he was ultimately a construct and and and uh granted power. So yeah, I th I think I think a big question with Epstein uh along the way is yeah, did he did he seize power or was he given power? Uh you know, was he did he take it by force or was he given it so that he could could be a useful tool for you know like a Mossad or something like that? Uh so you know th those are legitimate questions to ask and they're very interesting questions. Uh and then yeah, you know, and after the Dawson School, that you know he ended up on um on Wall Street after that, and yeah, working with Steven Hoffenberg. Um just real quick, uh uh while we're on Hoffenberg, I'd like to say that uh Hoffenberg has said that uh Epstein had an expression for uh when he would scam and screw his wealthy targets, and he called it playing the box. Um of course I uh it it's uh I have my story about him being an investor and key a k m uh potentially a a key role having a key role in uh the inception of this club the box, where the rich and powerful would get into sexually compromising situations. And so I just think it's either an interesting coincidence or it explains something legitimate. Uh the fact that his his uh go-to expression expression for uh scamming and screwing his wealthy targets was yeah, playing the box.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Well then Steve Hoffenberg is known as uh Ponzi scammer, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Hoffenberg basically took the foul for the Ponzi scheme him and Epstein were running. Um and then uh you know uh people who have worked for Epstein said uh people who worked for him in like the early 90s said like, you know, before 1992, he was rich. He was a pretty rich, like, you know, very rich guy, but you they they've said that something happened around 1992 and he went from like really ri really rich to you know like really, really rich. And uh so I find that interesting. Uh it's uh in 1992, that's around the time uh Ghlaine's father, Robert Maxwell, died, and you know, he died in October 1992, and she moved to America right away.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

Um and I hate to interrupt you, but uh did that have anything to do with the Clintons? Because um I could not believe how uh weasley and slippery they were during their deposition. So um what do you know about the Clinton Epstein connection? Because wasn't he president around that time?

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Clinton was president in 1992. Uh that was the year he was elected, right? Yeah. So, okay, yeah, so yeah, I think yeah, Epstein was uh Clinton was elected. It would have been at the end of 1992, he would have taken taken office in early 1993, if if if I'm getting my math correct. Um so I I don't know if Clinton had anything necessarily to do with Epstein's rise. Uh, but obviously they're connected. I mean, they you know I I fig I couldn't tell you the exact number, but uh uh you know, there's reporting that Epstein visited Clinton's White House, you know, numerous, numerous times. Um and obviously, like uh, you know, like Ghlaine was at the their daughter's wedding. Uh I I did a uh one of my first stories years ago uh that I put on YouTube was I just went uh since since uh Ghlaine was at uh the Clinton daughter's wedding. Uh I went back and just looked at news footage from the wedding back at the time and and just saw and I just I just put it together this compilation of so many people across mainstream media back at when the wedding was happening in like I think like 2010. Uh just them all just saying like, oh it's gonna be such an exclusive guest list, only people who are really close to the Clintons and uh and their daughter will be at this wedding. And that was just like uh I just put a compilation together of so many different pundits saying that, and it's like okay, well, you know, Ghlaine was there, so apparently she was quite close with them. Uh since then they've tried to come out and say that she was a plus one, but she had an aisle seat too, you know, that's kind of prime real estate at a wedding. Um But yeah, you know, the Clintons, yeah, I think they, you know, they were definitely involved to an extent, but you know, I and and you know, I think a lot of people try and put up, you know, there's clearly like a a somewhat of a dichotomy of, you know, they there's Epstein really had close relationships with two presidents, Trump and Clinton, you know, one left, one right. Uh and so it's it's easy to kind of draw those comparisons, but I will say, like, I I think Trump is looking a lot more guilty than than than Clinton. Uh I found it kind of funny how in the in the birthday book that came out, uh, which is a disgusting, disgusting document, right? Uh it w what's disgusting about it is that uh almost every single person who wrote into it, almost every single you know, birthday card in there is like full of innuendo and like wink wink nod nod ha ha we're all pedophiles together and we're all getting away with it. And like, but I just remember thinking it was almost a bit funny that the only the only card in there that seemed quite normal was Clinton's. It's like it he was the only one that basically wasn't saying like yeah, haha, wink, wink, nod, nod with P.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

But Jamie, there's pictures of Clinton in hot tubs with young girls. There's pictures of him getting massages, and that's the thing that uh his ridiculous wife was saying, we've we've all been in a hot tub and we don't know who gets in there. We've all received a massage. And it's like, come on, man, we know this guy is uh is a sexual deviant. Oh yeah, 100%. And he flies on the plane. The other guy uh flew on the plane, and there is he's also a dirtbag, but there's a little bit more evidence of Clinton, and I keep hearing progressives try to tone down the Clinton connection. Uh why is that?

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Hmm. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not I'm not trying to tone it down. Like I definitely think that relationship was problematic. And uh, you know, if if he's guilty, then yeah, throw the throw the book at him, throw the book at anyone who is legitimately implicated. Uh so I I mean I don't think you'll catch too many like progressives uh protecting Clinton because again, Clinton is a neoliberal, and like you know, most progressives are far to the left of Clinton. Like most progressives loathe the Clintons. Uh you're more likely to see more like uh more corporate Democrats uh protecting Clinton. But but I don't think you I don't think you really do see that to be honest. Uh no, yeah, like I th I think uh they do have a uh a lot to answer for. I'm I'm glad that they were deposed. Uh and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

Okay, so um I saw on your um your Reddit, well, it was I could see it through at Reddit, but I couldn't see it through Substack, so I don't know if there's uh special access to the whole story. You had uh a video, was that created by the box where it had little children eating pizza and then saying they wanted to drink grape juice. Uh, what is the source for that? And do you have any inkling that some of the Podesta uh allegations are true? And I hear that that the FBI said that there's certain uh code language when it comes down to a child pornography and uh rape and all kinds of um you know deviant behavior that is harmful to uh victims, and then everybody wants to say that that's ridiculous and there's no way. Uh tell us uh the connection with that video.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Yeah, so yeah, so that video was uh it was put out by the standard hotel, which is owned by Andre Balage. And Andre Balage is one of the key figures in my story. Uh and so again, uh like I said, when once I had the lead about the box, it it led me in a lot of different directions. And and one of the one of the first faces that I started like kind of clocking as seeing over and over again was this guy, Andre Balage, because he has kind of a unique, kind of striking face, and I was noticing him showing up a lot. And uh he is the he he is the uh the ex-husband of Katie Ford, who I talked about earlier, who owns Ford models and who basically procured Lisa Phillips to Jack Nicholson uh with the help of Epstein. So Andre Ballage uh uh is a luxury hotelier. He he owns a standard hotel, he owns the Mercer, uh he owns um the Chiltern Firehouse, uh he owns um the uh Chateau Mormont in LA. And uh and yeah, so and he owns a standard in in New York. And yeah, I just found that yeah, that that that weird children's pizza party video for the Santa Hotel. And yeah, obviously with all the you know all the Pizzagate stuff, it it does make it seem a bit eerie and creepy. Especially since, yeah, they talk yeah, it they don't just talk about pizza in the in this in this video. They yeah, they they mention uh Grape Soda and like Justin Bieber and and the whole video is just yeah, a bunch of different kids. And uh and you know, I I think with the I think uh with when the Epstein files came out in uh January of this year, it definitely made a lot of people re-evaluate the legitimacy of Pizzagate. I th uh I I think a lot of people before this year had e even people who are giving who are giving the whole Epstein story its due and and people who are legitimately like interested in the story and want more attention on it, I think even a lot of them had dismissed Pizzagates and and thought that was like a a step too far and like uh kind of just like lunacy. But the Epstein and and I was kind of in that camp too, be to be honest. Like I uh You know, I I mean I was I don't think I was like w fully well versed in Pizzagates uh before the last year, but uh yeah, the Epstein Files has definitely uh made it seem even more legitimate and that uh the people in Epstein emails do seem to be using code words. And it and it makes sense that they'd be using code words, right? Like uh and again, it's it's like in the it's like in the birthday book too. There's there's so many like wink wink nod nods. Uh this the w and uh yeah, it's pretty disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Well, let's talk about it in a macro way. So uh some people would say that human trafficking has been occurring since the time of the pharaohs. Sure. And and we're recording from the the human trafficking capital capital of the world, which is Houston, Texas. They say there's more human trafficking here than anywhere else because it's uh port city and they have people coming from all over the world. So I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Yeah, so when people want to uh say, well, there is human trafficking everywhere, and children and women are being abused everywhere, and these guys just happen to be rich and powerful. Uh, do you think that some of the fears that they were doing experiments, uh transhumanism, uh some type of um manipulation of um you know powerful people and stuff like that? That um because people uh like Alex Jones, who's a lunatic, would say that uh the the victims are were just the cherry on top. There was a lot of other nefarious, weird stuff that was going on uh under that. And and it's known that in some fields when people are very powerful, they get egged on. It's almost like a gang initiation to go do something uh outrageous, and then it's a bonding thing for those type of creeps. Um, do you think that um you know people are kind of jaded and are not taking it that seriously because we have a pandemic of lack of um respect and and love for fellow human beings, for women and children uh to be protected, we have to have a higher consciousness and a more civic society. Do you think that the corruption has become so great that that's why this is not being pursued?

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, we when you when you liken it to uh gang initiation, I I I I do think there is there's something to that, and uh I think you know, we we see we see the Epstein class, we see we see the the people at the top, they have such they have such class solidarity with each other. Uh they really are seem to be in in lockstep way more than the rest of us are, unfortunately. And it makes sense that like uh getting you know getting people on camera doing a heinous act that uh you know that that if it ever got out, you know, would cause s society to revolt against that person and want to, you know, charge them criminally and cancel them culturally and and they they wouldn't be able to participate in s in civil society, uh public society anymore if if like this heinous footage gets out. It makes sense that like these people would want to get that to have that on each other, because it would it would create this web of mutually assured destruction, right? If we everyone has shit on each other, uh it means that they can ultimately trust each other, that they'll work together as a team uh to to fuck the rest of us over. Um and so yeah, I think there definitely is something to that. Like uh you know, obviously obviously not all billionaires can be f pedophiles, right? Like it's it's problematic to see how many seem to be, but uh it would be like e even s if even if some of them don't have those inclinations, they they might uh you know I think some people as they ascend to that level of society, uh you know, maybe that is part of the initiation, uh just to have that mutually assured destruction. Uh so I I I I think there's uh there definitely could be some something to that. Uh it's you know I don't know if we have any necessarily hard evidence of that, but it uh you know, when you logic your way through it, it makes sense. I oh I I'll say this. Um so uh there was that there was the trip to uh Africa on Epstein's plane that was uh Clinton and Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker. Uh and so yeah, you know, they said it was a you know a humanitarian trip flying around Africa, but you know, when you have when you have Epstein and Clinton and Kevin Spacey all together, like what do these guys all have in common, right? They're all you know sexual deviants, predators. Uh and so I I was I was interested uh to go back through the archives and I I I wanted to see if I could find any. It was uh I believe it was September 2002 when they went on that trip. So I I went to the kind of those dates in the archives and was looking at different Kevin Spacey interviews to see if I could find any of him talking about uh the trip. And I did. Uh he went on this uh he went on this like technology show and it was called Screensavers, which is already kind of like an obsolete term, uh and in it he he pulls out this little digital camera from his pocket, and in 2002, I guess it's pretty state-of-the-art to have a handheld digital camera that can fit around your pocket, and he's talking the interview, and he just goes, he's like, Hey, you know, I just I just took a recent trip to Africa, and you know, it was great having this old camera on me because it was I could just pull it out at a moment's notice and take pictures. And this is on a trip with Epstein, uh, who again, you know, Epstein, who had cameras everywhere at all of his properties, and clearly used uh used them to get leverage on people. And so if you're if you're someone like Kevin Spacey who has arisen to that echelon of society through your acting and you kind of realize that that's the game, like why wouldn't you try to get your own get some, you know get some pictures of your own, get some evidence of your on your own, so that you can, you know, so you can, you know, you so you can throw your weight around w uh with the big boys. So And then like, yeah, and then when when when Clinton or I mean sorry when uh when Kevin Spacey did, you know, uh uh get you know cancelled during like the height of the Me Too movement, he he gave that bizarre He did that bizarre video called Let Me Be Frank. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about, where he was talking to the camera as his Frank Underwood character. Uh and it it's a bizarre video. Uh if you haven't seen it, you should uh we should watch it later. Uh it's it's just bizarre. Everyone when they watched at the time thought like this makes no sense as a as a as a public relations move uh because he didn't make himself look any less guilty. It was just an incredibly creepy video. But uh I I've I've done a story in the past on this that people can go check out, and um my my theory is that he didn't make that video as a public relations move, he made it as a private relations move, and like it uh it's quite easy to read between his words in this video, and it kind of seems like if I go down, I'm gonna take some of you with me, is kind of the vibe I get from the from this video. And uh so yeah, I I think I think all of these people do get dirt on each other, and uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:17

Have you done any research on the Villa Arabesque in Acapulco, Mexico?

SPEAKER_01 42:23

No, no.

SPEAKER_00 42:24

I don't think about that. What I found out about it is that it's very similar to the box, it's uh a place where rich people from all over the world go and party. And uh I think there was someone that ran out um after being attacked. Um they have models, they have beautiful people that come through. Um does that ring a bell at all?

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Is this are you talking about the footage of that one uh female model who's like hysterical crying, talking about how they were eating people and stuff?

SPEAKER_00 42:56

That one's actually my hometown in Monterey, Mexico. This one in Acapulco, I think there was someone else who uh spoke to the locals or spoke to uh a news agency and told them that there was a lot of funky stuff going in there. And um I don't know if you've seen also the the video where they're interviewing John McCain's uh wife, and she says, we all knew about Epstein, but nobody knew how to get to him legally. So what was scary about this is that it was all in front of our faces, and that um that so many people felt like it was just part of um, you know, he was he was connected to media moguls, he was connected to scientists and financiers and politicians. So uh again, going back to are these people so um corrupt morally and uh socially that they they can't even see how disgusting this is. Um there was uh a congressman a while back that he was Sexting his pages and somehow he thought he could get away with it. Do you think there's some delusion that happens when people are that rich that they that they're kind of blatant about it and they they don't think they're ever gonna get caught?

SPEAKER_01 44:13

Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of a lot of these people feel untouchable. And you know, for a lot of reasons they sh you know, it it for a long time it wasn't even delusional for them to feel untouchable. Um times have changed and uh it's been a very recent development, and I think it it's partly the t technology of the times uh that now, you know, you know, the obviously the the Me Too movement itself was like a product of the internet and survivors able to kinda uh find each other uh basically online and like it's it's it uh it connected people in a way that wasn't before possible. And uh and you know, like I wouldn't be trying to be a journalist in any other era because, you know, the internet has democratized journalism and allows you to do journalism now uh without going through one of these monolithic mainstream media institutions. Um so yeah, I think they did feel untouchable for a long time and be and because they they they had been untouchable for all of history until very recently. Um and yeah, and there probably was and s some of them probably were kind of getting off on flaunting it. You you saw that with people like Jimmy Savile in the UK, if you're familiar with him, uh, but he would, you know, he would tell, you know, he would tell jokes on talk shows and stuff, but it was basically alluding to his predation, but uh uh it was always just laughed off as, oh that's just Jimmy being Jimmy. And I think on one level it was him getting off on yeah, the danger of like flaunting it. But it also on some level also kind of acted as a smokescreen with someone like him. Like it was almost like uh it wasn't just about getting off on it, it also could have been a strategic thing to kind of be like, oh, if I if I'm so open about it and joke about it so openly, like maybe it'll make people think, oh, like it can't be true, because why would he be flaunting it if it was true?

SPEAKER_00 46:16

So tell tell us about your research on him, Princess Diana, and Trump, and how are they connected to Epc?

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Yeah, yeah. So uh so Jimmy S I have a story about Jimmy Savile and Diana because uh uh so there was a Netflix documentary about Jimmy Savile that that came out in I think 2022. And after that documentary, uh the people who had put it together, they auctioned off a lot of his things and possessions that were kind of like gathered for the production of that documentary. And one of the things that got auctioned off uh was this letter from Princess Diana to Jimmy Savile. Uh, and it was from 1995, and before this was auctioned off in 2023, it had no online footprint. This was not a public document until you know just a few years ago. And it's from yeah, it's from Princess Diana to Jimmy Savile, 1995, and it's a bizarre document. Uh everyone should go read it. It's uh and it it's it starts with her just say uh the first thing she says in this in this letter to him is like, hey Jimmy, like uh we've been out of touch for so long, and I'm sure you're just noticing that I'm still alive too. And like uh obviously that jumped out to me right away. It's like if anything, it's just a bit of a morbid uh foreshadowing of her eventual death two years later. But uh when I looked at the timeline of kind of just what was going on in her life at this time, uh the brakes on her car had just failed her. Uh and like yeah, this is a few years before her eventual death, but you know, uh a lot of people know that she was paranoid about dying in a car accident. Uh and people think that's like a uh you know it makes her eventual death look suspicious that this was specifically what she was afraid of happening. But the reason she was afraid of it happening is because the brakes on her car failed, and she thought it was due to tampering. And this is in the Paget Report, which was the investigation into her death done by the British Metropolitan Police. And um so, you know, uh in the Paget Report, uh one of her friends kind of says it happened uh sometime in 1995, but she couldn't be sure when. Uh one of her lovers, uh Hasnek Hasnek Khan, uh he said it happened in 1995 and he couldn't pinpoint when, but he said he remembered asking her why she had uh why she had changed cars. She w she used to drive this uh uh Oh man, it's she ended up driving a BMW before that yeah, she was driving an Audi. So she had a signature Audi that she was driving, and when her lover asked her why she why she wasn't driving the Audi anymore, uh she said it was because uh the brakes had been tampered with. And so I went into the newspaper archives. Uh newspapers.com is a great mm uh resource for journalists, uh, because all the all the newspapers, and it's like millions and millions of newspapers, and they're all archived and and digitized, so like you can you know search keywords, and uh so in this vast archive of newspapers, the the last mention I can find of her driving this Audi as in uh late September of 1995. And the first time the first mention of her driving this BMW is in Oct late October of 1995. So this is the time period where her brakes were tampered with, and this is when she's sending a letter to Jimmy Savile saying, Hey, you might just be noticing that I'm still alive. And and she she thought her husband, Charles, and his, you know, and you know, the the establishment around him were the ones that were behind this, and you know, Jimmy Savile was part of that, you know. At one point she described Jimmy Savile as a mentor to Prince Charles. Uh and so it makes sense why she would think that he was somewhat involved in this. Uh so she so she says, uh, you might just be noticing I'm still alive, and then she also says a little bit later in the letter, she says, I'm about to go to Broadmoor, which is a mental hospital, where he was pretty where he was preying on the victims there. And um She says, I'm about to go to Broadmoor, and then in parentheses, she put temporarily, which is a joke, basically saying, like, I'm going there to visit, I'm not going there because I'm a head case. Uh but so you know, so she makes two jokes, two identifiable jokes in this letter. One is saying, Hey, I'm not dead, and the other is saying, Hey, I'm not brain damaged. And that was basically the wording that she used with her lawyer when she met with her lawyer that month, saying that she thought there was a plot to kill her. And then she basically said there's a plot to either kill me or uh, you know, make me so un injured me to the point that I'm so unbalanced that I need to be in a mental institution. So the what what she is telling her lawyer uh she's afraid of, she is kind of hinting at to Jimmy Savile in in this letter, in this way that on the face of it looks like she's kind of just making off the hand offhand jokes. But with all this context, it seems antagonistic, and and if you view the whole letter through an antagonistic lens, it seems like she knows what he was doing at Broadmoor Hospital, and if she knew what she was doing at Broad what he was doing at Broadmoor Hospital, well that's revelatory. We there's been no concrete evidence of that. And uh, you know, with the Savile stuff, it it seems like it was s somewhat of an open secret, and but Prince Charles has always tried to, you know, say through the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know about Savile's uh you know, sick nature and and his crimes. But I think if I think if Diana knew, then it's a lot harder for Charles to claim that he didn't. And I think uh this story that I built around this letter makes a very compelling case that Diana knew what was going on at the hospitals, and she was kind of doing what she trying to do what she could behind the scenes to stand up to Savile.

SPEAKER_00 52:26

How much more time can you give us? Um I don't know what it'd be. Okay, because um what's the connection with Trump? And then we're gonna talk about Virginia Guffrey and how how she claimed that Trump had nothing to do with Epstein, and he was actually trying to uh reveal all Epstein's crimes, which sounds uh crazy. And we're also gonna talk about um Alan Dershowitz, okay. How he he threatened a lot of people legally, but um so in the article is called The Princess, the President, and the what?

SPEAKER_01 52:58

And the pedophile.

SPEAKER_00 52:59

And the pedophile. So how is Trump connected to Diana in this British crazy guy?

SPEAKER_01 53:05

Yeah, so um yeah, so yeah, so that story is about yeah, Princess Diana, Epstein, and uh Trump. Uh Savile isn't connected to to that story. Um yeah, basically, uh Michael Wolfe uh uh has reported that uh that Epstein and Trump basically had a uh a uh you know a d a a gentleman's bet, I guess you could call it, even though it's the furthest thing from being a gentleman. Uh they had a bet that uh on who could uh be the first one to sleep with Princess Diana. Uh there's some reporting that uh Epstein was uh had like been like Diana's like basically date for a couple of evenings. Uh there was one night in specifically where Diana, like, while she was like going through her divorce with Charles, like showed up to some event in this like stunning dress that got like, you know, photographed by Paparazzi and ended up in the media. And uh there's some reporting in the in the Epstein Files that talks about uh Epstein being like her date for that that evening. Um and in Epstein's closet he had a framed newspaper of a newspaper with that iconic picture of Diana in her what was called the revenge dress. Um and so so yeah, so that's interesting, and then uh um there's footage of uh from CNN from uh 2015, it was during uh you know Trump's first uh presidential run, and uh it was with a a journal journalist, Bob Bob Beckel, who is now deceased, and uh he was going on the CNN show, and he didn't give the full story, he said that he was uh pursuing a story that was about Trump and Diana, and he said he said he he's not ready to talk about it yet, but he was like, let's just say Trump has like um this is off of memory, so I'm kind of paraphrasing here, but he said something along the lines of like, I think Trump has more s like more is more sexual issues, uh, you know. I I f I forget the exact wording off the top of my head, but yeah, he's basically saying that Trump has some some some skeletons in the closets when it comes to his, you know, uh uh sexual conduct, and and and that that that that was something Diana related. And he said he was about to fly over to England and like, you know, talk with the relevant parties. Obviously, Diana was deceased, but you know, she has family members, her brother. Her brother is in Epstein's black book, by the way. Uh her brother and he uh uh in the in the black book the name is Charlie Althorpe and they're like their like manor is Althorpe Manor, and so like I think that's why that's kind of gone under the radar, is because his name is in there in a whi in uh unusual way. Um but I digress. Um so yeah, so you know, this guy Bob Beckle talks about how he was gonna go over and you know seemingly talk to Diana's family uh about some c about a letter, some letter uh between Trump and Diana, and apparently it was gonna Bob Beckle thought it could have the potential to uh lose Trump the election. But then nothing ever came of it, so it seems like Diana's family, you know, never wanted to didn't want to give up this letter. They're probably like you know, somewhat worried about their legacy. And and so given that, and then this reporting from Michael Wolfe that there was uh some kind of competition between Trump and Epstein uh about Diana, I I'm just kind of curious if Epstein is somehow wrapped up in in that letter. And uh And then when you when you uh what's interesting too is like when when Trump gets asked about Diana in this time frame in 2015 he really s he really downplays uh he really downplays the reporting on him because like the the uh he went on Howard Stern a bunch of times kind of throughout the early 2000s and in those like he kinda you know you know going on Howard Stern and you know doing the kind of crass uh Trump jokes that he usually does, you know, he he talks about how he he you know would love to sleep with Diana and all this all this stuff. Jokes about how he wanted to take an AIDS test first because you know she obviously famously like hugged someone with AIDS when when people were still scared of AIDS and thought you couldn't even touch someone with it. Um so it was it was all documented that he had like some interest in Diana. I think he even wrote about it in one of his books uh about how he would have loved to court Lady Diana. But then in 2015, when when this Bob Beckle guy was working on this story uh about Trump and Diana, uh Trump really changed his tune. Like uh uh Piers Morgan asked Trump about it, and Trump was just like he just blatantly lied. He's like, oh well, I've never said anything about Diana, da da da. Like he he really downplayed it and like uh said like he never sent her flowers and all this stuff. Uh so he was lying about it then. But but then years passed, you know, he bec obviously obviously became president, and then like a few years ago he released this book called uh Letters to Trump, and it was just uh it was it's just letters from all the all the celebrities that used to like send him you know fawning letters and stuff. And the the thesis of the book is to show like, oh, look at all these people that loved me before I became president and now they all hate me. Uh but in this book, Letters for Trump, he does include a letter from Diana where she thanks him for the the sending up sending her the flowers and everything. Uh one of her friends has talked about this too. She's uh her friend says like Diana didn't like she was actually quite creeped out by Trump and didn't know what to do about the flowers and all this. Uh but uh so yeah, so it's it's so Trump has this weird it's this weird arc with Diana where yeah he he used to talk quite openly about his interest in her and then this journalist Bob Beckle was looking into this strange letter between him and her that he thought could like cost him the election, and at that time he Trump really tried to downplay the situation with her and said uh said he never sent her flowers and uh but yeah, and then years later he eventually released released the letter that Diana sent him back, like you know, kind of politely thanking him for the flowers.

SPEAKER_00 59:41

So he's been uh he's been all over the place on it, which you know obviously looks a bit like suspicious, but let's move on to the possibility of Trump being um a pedophile pervert like Epstein. Um so although there's footage of him uh hanging out with Epstein, looking at young girls, making jokes about how Epstein likes them on the young side, um some you know sexist uh male chauvinist guys would say, why would someone so rich, so powerful, who could have any woman he wants, who has actively cheated on all his wives, who possibly even got involved with uh Princess Diana, why would someone like that uh risk it all to do unspeakable acts with minors? Um you would have to be out of your mind uh if you have that much access to every other kind of person. Um how would you respond to something like that?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

Well, I would say, but I'd say, well, what about Epstein? Epstein was powerful, rich. He had access to all these women too, and he was clearly risking it all to, you know, still indulge in his darkest predilections. So yeah, I think that would be a silly argument to make. Uh yeah. You know, there's you know true footage of Trump talking about, you know, how he'd run these, you know, mi teen Miss Teen America pageants and how he gets it since he ran them, he was allowed to walk into the locker rooms when they were naked and stuff and and and and check them out. And he's talking about teenagers. And and this is just what he offers up openly. And uh so yeah, it's uh I think I think these I think these men they can get any woman they want, and you know you know, and uh a lot of them do indulge in both women of age and yeah, and they also go younger and they get a get a thrill out of that. Um It's it uh I've heard some survivors talk a bit about how like with with Epstein he seemed to uh he almost he almost divided up like his uh pursuits by location, so to speak. So like when he was in Palm Beach, that's where he got a lot of the teenagers because yeah, that's why he had Ghlaine, you know, going around malls and schools and picking up like teenagers from broken homes in Palm Beach, because those were easy, you know, damaged girls, easy to kind of get their clutches in. But then when he was in New York, that's when he was really indulging in like models and stuff, who were like of age, but still young and like like people like Lisa Phillips, like you know, Lisa Phillips became a Ford model, and you know, she was like 21 years old when Jack Nicholson uh assaulted her. And obviously, like uh assault is assault, uh rape is rape no matter what age, and like that's still heinous. But uh it uh so I think uh when Trump when that when Epstein was uh Yeah, kinda in New York he'd he'd uh kind of be preying on girls who are of age, but there was still power imbalances and manipulation and uh consensual i uh i issues with it still being like non-consensual and coercive. Um then uh yeah, and on this subject, I'll also just say that uh uh one of the most interesting rabbit holes that this story about the box led me towards was uh this company called Quintessentially, which is also connected to the box very intimately. And Quintessentially is an elite concierge service uh for the elites, and like uh the uh the only time I've ever seen them kind of like uh uh make a blip on like the public's radar was they were actually the company that was the middle the they were the middlemen between the like the billionaires and that uh um that uh submarine that went to see the Titanic that imploded a few years ago. So quintessentially they're the they were the middlemen that hooked that up because that's what they do, they're a concierge service for for billionaires, and so it's and like e even on the face of it, it's bizarre. Like uh there's articles about how like they they like psycho psycho-profile their um their clients just so they can give them really specifically curated experiences because their clientele are basically billionaires who have fried their dopamine receptors from doing everything and they're just desperate to feel something. And there's like talk of quintessentially, like uh they talk about how they gave one client a three-month kidnapping experience, whatever that means. Um so that's the thing that's that's I think this is one of the key problems we see with this this billionaire class is that these people do uh have it all and they fry their dopamine receptors, and so they do have to keep pushing the limits of uh decency and morality j just to feel something. Like, you know, I don't think the human brain is built for that level of power. Uh it's the the human psyche, it's so uh and so the reason I bring all this up in in terms of your like question about uh like like Trump and Epstein and like why would they risk it all is because these people eventually when you when you have this kind of wealth and power, I think people are kind of uh Yeah, they're pushed to their limits in in terms of just wanting to to feel some kind of dopamine rush when they when they've already had it all. And uh you know you get pushed to further and further taboos, and and you know you see that at the box too. Like that's a that's the reason why the box is so degenerate and and depraved. Uh even when they're just even even when the the like the you know can the consensual stuff, but that's still just like grotesque. Like there's so much sh there's so many acts that are just all about like piss and shit and vomit, and it's just yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:50

So, Jamie, what do you know of Virginia Guffrey? She um she and Trump claimed that she used to work at Mar-a-Lago and then Trump and Gaza. Ghislaine came and stole her. I mean, Epstein and Ghislaine stole her. And then that um Trump was never around when she was abused, and she was abused by big names that she cannot mention, also because she was under threat of being sued, and then uh she dies mysteriously by suicide after being in a car accident. Um can the stuff that she said sounds very conspiratorial and almost like UFO-like at the end of her life. Um, do you think that she's getting paid by Trump to defuse some attention, or do you think that she's only saying based on her convictions and what she saw? Uh what's your reading on her case?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:45

Yeah, uh, I think I think she lived a really sad life, even from the beginning. I haven't read her book yet. I've been I've been meaning to, but uh, you know, she was abused by uh apparently by her father at a young age, uh, and then she was trafficked to like another wealthy man before she even met Epstein when she was young, and then obviously she ended up in Epstein's clutches. And so I think she lived a really, really sad life, and and then she ended up being really strong. Are you still there? I you lost your camera.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

Oh, I'm still here.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:24

Oh okay, I hear you. Okay, yeah, I'll keep talking. Um so yeah, uh, you know, I think it's a really sad story, but also a really powerful one. I think she showed a lot of strength, and that, you know, she really did become the first domino to fall and inspired a lot of other survivors to come out. And, you know, she took she's the woman that took down Prince Andrew. Uh, you know, she took down royalty with her bravery and her story. Uh that all being said, I think she was really mentally unwell towards the end. Um I've talked to some survivors that knew her, and uh a lot of the survivors that know her, they they don't think it is a cons they don't think like she was offed, they think it was legitimately a suicide. Um they think, you know, she was dealing with like you know, she she uh she escaped Epstein's clutches through her husband, right? Like she she met this husband when she was in uh Thailand, like she'd gone to Thailand, I believe, to do like this like Masseuse school that, you know, Epstein and Glen had signed her up to do, and she met this Australian guy uh while she was there, and uh and then just ran away with him. I think she wrote a letter to Epstein and Maxwell kind of saying I'm not coming back and they were furious about it. But she escaped uh to Australia with this guy. Uh but it sounds like he was uh he was a a bastard too, and he was a domestic abuser, and um and then you know he ended he also ended up in uh with the uh custody of the kids and you know obviously she loved her kids and and wanted wanted wanted them. I I don't I don't know the ins and outs of how how the dad got custody over her. Um but yeah, I th I think she was sad toward I think she was just really unwell towards the end, and she'd bit dealt with so much stuff in her life, and I think she gave in, and I think it's tragic, but uh yeah, yeah. I I know a lot of I know when it first happened my first gut instinct was, oh this is sketchy, like, oh yeah, yeah, another another person suicided. But after talking to some people uh who knew her, uh who are quite adamant that it was a suicide and uh it's kind of the product of uh a a life a lifelong a life full of abuse and and you know through to the very end with her with her husband. Um so yeah, tragic. Um if uh if if I could talk about one more story that's related to her, real quick. Uh and uh you mentioned Alan Dershwitz, I want you to talk about him. Uh so uh so uh people who are invested in the Epstein story are probably aware of the footage of an ABC News anchor, Amy Robach, and she was caught on a hot mic uh venting about how she had the Epstein story years ago, and uh that ABC News quashed the interview that she had with Virginia Roberts Duffrey, and uh and and uh this was like right after Epstein died when she was caught on the hot mic, and so and and that footage ended up leaking, and so it's yeah, it's like it looks really fucking bad. It's it's uh it's uh ABC News quashing quashing an in an interview and silencing Virginia Duffrey. Um and uh in in that uh in that hot mic, you know, at one point she's like, oh yeah, like you know, in this interview, like you know, Virginia, she talked about like Clinton and Dershowitz and all this. Uh and so uh Dershowitz uh came out after that, and Dershowitz, who with the bravado that he always has and the confidence, like he has such confidence about him, like it like it's I I want to say it's almost convincing, but it's not. I I don't think anyone buys what he's selling. But like uh he he he like doubled down and he even he just admitted freely, he's like he's like, Yes, I was part of ABC's decision. Uh I called ABC News and told them, hey, like, this isn't uh trustworthy source of information, Virginia Robert Frey, like you should not run this interview, this isn't like journalistically sound. Uh so he he openly admits that he was part of ABC's decision to quash the interview with her. And uh and this interview took place in uh uh 2000 it would have been around 2015. Uh and you know, like Virginia would go on to say that like uh you know at the time she viewed this interview that was conducted, uh she viewed it as a potential game changer of like you know finally getting to speak on a on a platform as big as ABC. But it was quashed, and that delayed that delayed her efforts significantly. Uh and so yeah, so Dershowitz is, you know, years later, after after it comes out that ABC Quash's story, he doubles down, he admits he was part of the decision. But I went back in the archives and looked at him going on mainstream media at the time in 2015, and uh, you know, A ABC and other outlets, uh like MSNBC, CNN, they they weren't having they weren't having Virginio Roberts Dufrey on, but they would gladly have Dershowitz on for him to plead his side of the story, and he kept saying over and over again, and I I have I've done stories on this that people can look up, over and over again, he kept saying, He's like, I'm not trying to silence her, like, even though behind the scenes he was, and he was just saying, he's like, I challenge her to come on your guys' shows, to come on come on the media and tell her side of the story on camera so that I can sue her for defamation. So he was challenging her to come on these shows and talk to them while behind the scenes making sure that that doesn't happen. And so basically, he was forcing her to not be on the media and then using that forced absence as a strike against her credibility, like the slimiest tactics. It's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:33

Well, but uh I remember hearing an interview with her where she was scared to mention him by name and say that there was a big shad lawyer who was implicated who's trying to bring her down legally.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:46

Oh, yeah, he's very litigious.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:48

But I don't know what the uh laws are in in uh Australia for something that happened in the Caribbean. Uh so that's where people start getting confused, and they're like, well, if these people are so powerful, why didn't they just uh take her out like early in the game? And do you know how um finally Epstein got uh prosecuted? Like who started the investigation? What made them go in? Because having uh worked in uh anti-human trafficking coalitions, they always said, you know, we wish we could go in as early as possible, but we have to build a case. So then you find out that they allow for people to get abused for five years until they're able to get the big fish, because if they went in early, they would only be able to get the smaller uh people involved. Um, was it something like that? Were they like working up to being able to catch Epstein? And why didn't they, if there is such a big intelligence, um, you know, blackmail and manipulation stuff, why didn't people find him dead like uh Marilyn Monroe early on? Why drag it out? Why make it so suspicious? Same thing with Gislaine, like what's going on that is all like goofy and stumbling over to get to this.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:14

Yeah, so uh so I think Julie K. Brown at the with the Miami Herald, she was obviously instrumental in uh breaking the Epstein story, especially bringing it to a wider audience. But but I believe that but that actually happened after his initial like uh arrest and conviction. Uh he was convicted in 2008 for the first time and got that sweetheart deal that you know Derschowitz got him. And uh like it's it it's it's always fascinated me that uh that it yeah, it wasn't until like Julie K. Brown, after like years after that happened, was she kind of realized, huh, this was kind of weird that he only got what like 13 months and uh and he was allowed to leave the prison like s six out of seven days a week, and uh and then she you know she you know built a story to talk to a bunch of survivors and stuff and and created a story that was uh you know uh r reached a wider audience and like yeah, like it is kind of crazy that like when the story initially happened in 2008. 2008 was the conviction, he was f he was first arrested in 2006. It is kind of crazy that that that story didn't burst into like the public consciousness more, because it's a crazy story. It's a it's you know a a billionaire uh, you know, you know, who's doing sex trafficking, and you know, and uh the first time his conviction wasn't for trafficking, it was for uh it was for uh pr uh soliciting a a minor for prostitution, which I uh that that like whole entire like legal phrase like frustrates the the hell out of me because a child can't be a prostitute, like a prostitution like implies like consent and a child can't consent. But um but yeah, so you know I that initial uh yeah, his initial run-in with the law, it it started f on a lower level. It was uh I think it was it was g the girls in Palm Beach that uh you know he was you know grooming and having them come over for massages and like you know paying them uh 100, 200 bucks to come over, or and like you know, paying them even more to like bring friends, like a pyramid scheme. Uh it was when some of the parents of those kids, I think, were noticing them coming home with hundreds of bucks and maybe eventually like the telling their parents what happened and then reporting it to like the local police. And so yeah, like I think like the legal the you know Epstein getting caught, it did start on that smaller local level, and yeah, it kind of snowballed into a into a thing. He ended up in court, and yeah, he got the sweetheart deal. You know, Alex Acosta did uh, you know, uh uh reportedly said that you know he was told that Epstein belongs to intelligence, and that's why uh he got got the good deal. And so, you know, if your question is just kinda what, like how how did a powerful person eventually f have this happen? For for the 2019 one, not the 2000. Okay, 2019. Okay, yeah, in 2019, well, you know, I I I do think in 2019 it was a case of uh I think it was honestly a case of Let me figure out the right way to word this. And 2019, that was the first time I heard of Epstein. I I had never heard of him before. Uh I think that's when a lot of people obviously found out about him, and it it's it seemed like in some level it was a cynical play by the Democrats, uh, which blew up in their face a bit because obviously a lot of them are implicated too. But it's you know, Trump was president in 2019, uh the Me Too movement had just happened in 2017, so like uh obviously that had momentum, and uh it it's it seemed like the Epstein story in part uh caught traction then because some of the Democrats are trying to use it as a cudgel against Trump. Uh like the the first time I heard about Epstein in 2019, uh like I I first heard about him in I in relation to Trump because that's kind of how it was getting sold at the time. They're like, oh, have you uh uh you know have you heard about Trump's you know pedophile sex trafficker friend and then he got and then he gets arrested and then he dies in prison in jail just like weeks after he got arrested. Uh and that's when the story really blew up and blew a lot of people's minds. Like uh yeah, I mean I uh one of one of the reasons it actually the story resonated with me, obviously for many reasons. Obviously uh it's just depraved and mind-blowing, but I actually remember one time in like 2016-ish, uh I I I I'd estimate it was around 2016. I remember just like scrolling through Facebook casually and like came across a video for a second with spooky music and it talked about pedophile island and like and I guess just at the time, like I don't know, the between the spooky music and something as like ridiculous and conspiratorial sounding as pedophile island, I just kinda like, you know, rolled my eyes and kept scrolling. And then yeah, and then years later in 2019, once I really re realized I mean they w the Epstein story really blew up, it made me think back to that. I was like, oh wow, that actually was a legitimate thing that I saw and dismissed right away as just like conspiratorial bullshit. And so um yeah, I know I kinda went off on a tangent here, but uh yeah, yeah, I I think in 2019, yeah, on on some level, the reason it it blew up was because uh it was supposed to be a cudgel against Trump, and then it blew up in everyone's faces because there were people implicated in this story all over the political spectrum and and even outside of politics, you know, in tech, in uh you know, in science, and in all these different uh fields.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:10

Jamie. Um as as someone with a uh BA in communications and you with a master's in journalism, do you think that we have to be very cautious and very uh meticulous on the on what we say and how we communicate our our our investigations and the things that that we find? Because uh Whitney Webb has been um they've been trying to debunker uh by different outlets. Um sometimes you have comedians or people who claim to be journalists and they're actually pundits, uh, and they just go off on uh tangents or they use uh coded language that that pushes their political agenda. Do you think that there has to be a higher bar for people who are actually doing serious journalism versus people who are trying to get clicks or trying to get famous and are exploiting this uh tragedy? Because I feel that um it's a disservice to the survivors to um to sensationalize their suffering and to not and to not be very careful on implicating people as well, because the right wing would say uh it's very easy for for men's reputations to be destroyed. All you have to have, it's almost like a rapper that says, you know, women lie. Um so do you feel like a uh a sense of ethics and and morality when it comes down to reporting things that sometimes gets lost?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:43

Yeah, definitely. Uh uh when it comes to like uh my articles or like my video reports, I am very uh meticulous with my wording and uh you know try to be thoroughly sourced, and I think that's really important. Uh when I'm talking may like in a conversation like this on a podcast where it's a bit more conversational, I think we need to give journalists a bit more leeway when it when it is just a conversation. You still need to be careful with your words. Um But yeah, like in my reporting, I I am meticulous. I try and uh you know I try my best to stick to the facts and if I ever veer it veer into speculation, I try to make it very clear where the factual reporting ends and where the speculation begins. And like I do think uh I do think when you're covering these inherently shadowy elites, you know, with when we're talking about, you know, billionaires and intelligence agencies and you know conspiracies, like it's so shadowy, and we're never gonna have we're never gonna be able to have a complete evidence-based picture. And so like I do think we should allow ourselves some room to, you know, speculate and try and like logic our way through some of the gaps of information. But we should be careful about yeah, we should be very clear about when we're doing that, when you know, there needs to be a clear line between the factual reporting and the kind of the speculation and uh kind of maybe like logicking your way through uh what you think is happening in the in the gaps of evidence. So yeah, yeah, um you know, we you know we talk we've talked a bit in this conversation about the current the current age of journalism, and again, like I wouldn't have tried to be a journalist in any previous era when you could only do it through you know the mainstream media and go through like some you know propaganda network. Uh the the the the fact that we can do it online now, like just any anyone with a camera and a microphone and internet access can uh sift through articles or and like sift through the archives, find things that have been buried by time, and you know, and we can reach out to uh you know sources. Uh you know, it's it's quite easy to connect with people via email. So like there's so much journalism that can be done by any any schmuck, uh, and in a way that's really beautiful and great, and like I'm I'm I think it's a that's a positive development, and like uh uh uh uh I think that's one of the you know, say what you will about social media and the internet and its uh its effect on society. Uh it's been a it's been a double-edged sword. Uh uh, but one of the ways that I think has been a uh a good thing is that yeah, that it has democratized journalism and like anyone can do this now. But yeah, but that being said, that means that a lot of people are gonna do it with uh you know with more lax uh uh principles and uh ethics, and hopefully those people get weeded out, but they won't always, because yeah, uh yeah, a lot of people benefit from that kind of like shooting from the hip, uh, and and they do gain a following. So yeah, I mean all I can do is yeah, uh try and uh stick to my ethics. And I think I think uh if you read my articles and watch my videos, uh you'll you'll see that reflected. Uh I try stick to facts, and when I do veer into speculation, it I I kind of I make sure like the speculation is usually like in the form of a question. And uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:19

So um and then um in this show we tried the Bonk uh conspiracy theories, and you we started a conversation with uh conspiracy theory, and there is um Jimmy Dore says that uh conspiracy theory is not really something bad, it's a theory that is based on the possibility of a conspiracy, such as the JFK assassination or even the Charlie Kirk assassination. So um, but when it comes down to debunking them, we have to look at what has been offered. So there's some uh TikToker guy that says that uh Epstein was obsessed with uh the occult, and that he would um, you know, from New Mexico he would get rocks from the natives, from Mecca, he got a piece of the the curtain of the Kaaba, from uh Catholic Church, he got uh a big um bell, and then there was some other item that he was using um in his temple or whatever he had. Have you come across anything like super goofy and weird that uh might point to them having some type of Masonic, satanic, or even their own um mystical stuff that he was into, similar to like the Nazis or some type of weird group like that?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:34

Yeah, I mean there does seem to be some fascinate fascination amongst this echelon of people. There seems to be a fashion fascination with the with the occult. Uh I can't say it's something that I've gravitated towards much with my reporting. Uh just because I mean I personally don't believe that that stuff would actually work. But that being said, that doesn't mean that they didn't think it might work. And so, like, you know, uh I I I do think they probably dabbled in some of that stuff. Uh, but I c I can't say I have necessarily any uh uh anything to add to that conversation. Uh when it comes to the box, I've you know w been talking to people who have experiences there and they've said that some, you know, they put on some like pretty uh occult performances there. Uh and it and it makes sense. Again, it it fall like that kind of stuff, it falls into the same category of like uh the yeah, these people gravitating towards the most like uh edgy, grotesque stuff possible. So like, you know, whether that's uh, you know the the most depraved sexual things ever, or just or just yeah, like, you know, the the the allure of the edginess of yeah, occults and and and demons and all that. Like so yeah, yeah. Obviously, like Peter Thiel is like has this weird obsession with the Antichrist and he's going around giving like lectures on the Antichrist, which is bizarre. So uh yeah, there's definitely these these people definitely have a fashion fascination with it that uh uh I can't I can't really explain.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:10

But can you tell us about Epstein's fascination with science and finance with Teal and those other guys? And then do you know anything about the Zorro Ranch?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:19

You know, I can't I you know I I you know I I have a layman's uh understanding of the Zorro Ranch stuff. That's another aspect of the story that is on my uh to-do list of uh things to look into. Because yeah, I I know the Zorro Ranch is really where it seems like a lot of his uh scientific uh endeavors uh were going on. And it sounds like there was some pretty nightmarish stuff happening there uh in the pursuit of science, and it's definitely worth looking into. I'm glad that there are some journalists out there who are really focusing on it. Uh, but I I can't say that it's been my focus, at least not yet. Uh it's the the Epstein story is so massive, it's so macroscopic. Uh, there's no shortage of uh angles to approach it from. And uh yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:10

What about all this uh science and and finance stuff? Um like again, is it because people who are very famous and wealthy uh are kinky, or is it because um you've seen evidence of Epstein trying to have some transhuman, you know, creating a new race of people through his sperm and all this other stuff that has been coming?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:36

Yeah, yeah. It it all it's all it all seems to come to come back to ego, right? Yeah, uh there's this like yeah, this like eugenicist mindset that a lot of these people seem to have, and yeah, they're all obsessed with spreading their own seed and you know, yeah, you know, creating as many offspring as possible. So, you know, it's morbidly fascinating uh to see some of that stuff and see Epstein pursuing that. And I I think it I think it makes sense uh given his what we know of his personality. And again, when you have that kind of money, uh you know it seems like he was just throwing it in a lot of different directions, right? And so yeah, like w why you know, why why not throw a bunch of money at that prospect of uh you know living living forever or um uh you know or spr spreading your seed as much as possible and wanting to, you know. What what did they say, like Genghis Khan is like related to like uh five percent of the population these days? Uh just because he, you know, uh raped so many women in his uh conquests, and then over time, you know, population has expanded, and now they say like five percent of the population of the earth are descendants of Genghis Khan. So yeah, they I mean they probably look to people like that and they want to have the same ripple effect, the same uh the same impact on on the on the larger uh human race. It's it's an it's an ego thing, isn't it? And uh and yeah, and and like wanting to live forever, if if you're living that billionaire high life, yeah, like why you know why not want to keep a good thing going?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:13

Uh so and and I know we've been taking a lot of your time, but last two questions. Um have you found the direct line between Epstein and some of these powerful elite, um, you know, almost like mythical uh families like the Rockefellers, the um Rothschilds, or the CIA, Mossad, MI6, Interpol, that uh that you can see because that also gets really muddy, and there's a lot of conspiracies around that.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:45

Yeah, the uh it seems like he was very connected with the Rothschilds. Uh I think there's even one of the emails in the in the files where he says to someone that he represents the Rothschilds. Uh so yeah, there are definitely connections there. Uh Alan Dershowitz uh says quite openly that he met Epstein through one of the Rothschilds. So uh so yeah, they're definitely implicated. I've I've seen some good reporting on on that. Uh again, it's it's not the area of the story that I have uh thrown myself into. Uh but I know some other great journalists have have done great work on on that specific thing. Uh I've seen a lot of Rothschilds uh show up in some of my research into this uh quintessentially, which is this elite concierge elite concierge firm. Uh uh which is an uh it's it's ran by uh Ben Elliot, who is the nephew of Queen Camilla, so Prince Charles's uh uh you know wife, the one who he who he married after Diana. And so um he seemed yeah, and so Ben Elliott seems quite connected with a lot a lot of the Ross child, and they they seem to quite they seem to keep popping up in my research into quintessentially. Um so so yeah, they're definitely around. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:03

And the last one, um, I know you've been uh harassed by the the people you're investigating. Uh what do you do or how do you stay uh away from anxiety or fear of ending up like Julian Assange or like Matt Taibi that ended up making friends with all the powerful people so he could be protected? Um what are what is your view on how far are you willing to go and um and now that um we've seen uh um journalists being persecuted um or even killed in other countries? Uh what what makes you stay strong in your pursuits?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:45

Yeah, I'll I'll admit it's it's been terrifying. It's it's been scary, especially lately. Um yeah, it's obviously it's a scary thing to be antagonizing some uh powerful, insidious people and and forces. Um I take all of the you know I take all of the precautions I can that you know that you can imagine uh to keep myself physically safe. Um and and you know, I I guess, you know, for I you know I've been pursuing this I've been pursuing this career for uh some years now and uh for a while I I'd obviously I'd conceptualized the the the thought of the fact that you know like this could get dangerous. But and so like, you know, I I had thought deeply about it, but it was still a bit in the abstract at first. Uh but like but lately it the the feelings have sunk in uh lately and like it's felt a lot more real ever since like you know I mean I got this like legal threat from the box and uh yeah you you you do you do wonder what they're gonna throw at me next. I mean the legal threat ended up being bullshit, you know. I lawyered the fuck up and uh I'm feeling I'm feeling a-okay legally. But it it is it is scary. Uh all I can do is take the proper precautions, uh, you know, and you know, make sure that I say on platforms like this I am not suicidal. I uh you know I love my wife. Uh you know, uh yeah, uh I'm a I'm you know, I I make sure my car is uh you know up up to date and in good in good condition. I uh you know, um so yeah, I mean the bet all I can do is uh just kind of keep at it. Uh I think as scary as it is, I also think a lot of these people are paper tigers, and uh uh at the end of the day, they're still fallible humans. And like, and you know, like I even kind of saw that with this seasoned assist, it was kind of a fumble. Uh they you know they tried to threaten me uh with these, you know, large claims of like $150,000 in statutory damages, uh, but they didn't have they they don't have the copyright registration number that's needed to to levy such a threat. And so all they did was give me another piece of evidence to put in my story that, hey, I reached out to these people with questions and this was their response. It's only bolstered the story. I don't know if you're familiar with the phenomenon called the Streisand effect. Yeah, so it's like it's stri- it's the Streisand effect, you know. People on the internet don't like when powerful people try and silence something and and keep it keep it down. It makes it makes something explode. It can be like pouring water on a grease fire, right? So um so yeah, uh I'm I'm glad you asked, because yeah, it is honestly it is it is scary. Uh and so all I can ask uh from your listeners is to for some uh support and to you know to make sure to check out my work and uh share it uh with friends and family if you think it's valuable. Uh and if you uh you know if if it's within your means, like uh just to help support me financially, it goes it goes a long way. Because yeah, I am putting my neck out there uh and I'm I'm trying to fight the good fight. Uh but uh I do want us all to be in this together in our in the fight against these bastards. And uh I I don't think there's any I don't you know there's there's so much division in uh in the world right now. Uh and I just think there's nothing that could bring the masses together more than the Epstein story. It's one of the reasons why I throw myself into this uh story specifically, is like it if there's any if there's one thing we can all agree on, it's that you know, these uh these elite pedophiles sex trafficking children is is bad and should be uh you know, and we should fight that with all that we have. So like if that needs to be the first step we take towards some goddamn unity, then yeah, I think it's I think it's a worthy pursuit. So so yeah, uh I just think I just hope uh we can all band together in the in this fight. And I and I think we are. I I think I think um you know it's been it's been positive to see people all over the political spectrum uh kind of stand up and be willing to call out members of their own party and and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:21

Uh but I'm worried that uh it's not catching on. That yeah where's where's the protests? Where's the the the religious leaders standing up for the victims? Where's the the people that say we gotta save the children? Um, you know, uh Bush passed the anti-human trafficking law in 2007, and you hear a lot of uh conservative pundits saying that that's why the the um the border is being built and the and the and the border is being patrolled, so there is no human trafficking. Uh you you hear the celebrities say that they care about the children and they want to help uh you know the the women and all this stuff, and you don't see the the mobilization that should happen. So are people just too overwhelmed with other things, or is it just not that big of a priority? What do you think is going on?

SPEAKER_01 1:40:15

Yeah, I think you're you're you're right, definitely right that there's not enough, there's not as much movement as there should be. Uh so you know, maybe I'm just being optimistic, but I mean some of the signs are there. I mean, ironically, you're seeing it a lot more in other countries, uh, more than here, like some of the Epstein fallout. You know, like in the UK, like you know, Prince Andrew actually got arrested, uh uh Peter Mandelson got arrested, and the Prime Minister of the UK, he just he just resigned this uh he just stepped down this week, and that that was over on numerous issues, but one of them was the fact that uh he was getting a lot of flack just for hiring Peter Mandelson uh into his cabinet when he knew that Mammelson had the Epstein ties. So like, and so that's my home country, the UK, and like it so we're seeing some Epstein fallout there. We're not seeing as much here, and and you're right, so like uh the the the people here I I do think people here are infuriated and like uh and they're fascinated by it and they're they're definitely like taking part in the online discourse. You you're right that that we're not getting in the streets about it, and like that there should be more like actual mobilization, but like I I I think the energy is there, and that energy can still be harvested, and and yeah, and that's why I'm continuing to pursue these stories, because uh, you know, obviously when the when the files came out in January, it was you know the biggest news for a good like you know couple couple months there, and then like you know, obviously like the war in Iran ha uh happened and that kind of dominated the headlines for a while, and like but I don't think the I don't think the Epstein story and the energy behind it ha is ever going to die. I think it just goes dormant for a bit when there are other distractions, but like it's it's always there ready to be rekindled, and like I do think that energy can be harnessed, and and we'll we'll see what happens. Uh, you know, I don't think Trump has done a good job at uh obviously what you know him and his Justice Department, they haven't released all the files, they've only released about half of them. Um the Democrats uh in Congress seem to be uh uh more in lockstep about releasing the files. We've seen some def we've seen some Republicans uh uh get on the on the right side on the Epstein files, like in Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas Massey. Uh but I do think uh come election season uh uh if uh the Democrats do take control of Congress, I wouldn't be surprised to see uh more subpoenas happening and uh and we'll see what happens when we get a get a uh if we get a Democratic president in uh hopefully someone like a like a Rokana. Ril Connor's been really good on the Epstein Files. Uh and so uh I I I do hope we can see more movement in this country on getting to the bottom of everything. I hope we can get the other you know half of the files released. Uh and and yeah, and I'm gonna I'm gonna keep be I'm gonna keep chipping away. Uh you know, e even just in the last few weeks, as my latest story has uh kind of uh broken out a bit, I've been getting emails, uh getting new leads on new angles to pursue. Uh that you know I won't divulge the specifics yet, but I I think I've got some more stories to break. And uh yeah, so I'm gonna keep at it. My energy is still here and alive and well.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:43

Well, please come and give us an update on whatever uh news stories you have. Uh we we've done a little bit on it. It's just uh it's been hard to get guests to discuss the subject. And um I still can't believe that Pam Bondi was uh ignoring all those uh survivors. Yeah. And it was it was it was yeah, disgusting and outrageous. And I started a petition on um change.org about all the crimes that I could see, and I'm not even a legal professional, that the administration is committing by um by hiding, by not pursuing this. It's almost obstruction of justice that that is happening similar to what happened with the Catholic Church. So um it's just uh disheartening that it keeps happening in a lot of different fields. So I want to thank you for your time, for your relentless um pursuit of this. And um and it was you know also kind of sad to see famous actors and musicians and people like that that uh we all know and love uh being involved with this place, uh, the box. I recommend everybody looking at your um article about it. Um in this um station, we cannot promote uh financial contributions or products, but you have the free access on your Substack. Can you please share that with the public or if you have a website or some other media available?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:11

Yeah, yeah. I mean my my name is Jamie Crawford, and uh yeah, I'm on Substack, I'm on YouTube. So you look up my name, Jamie Crawford, throw in the term Epstein or the box, uh, and you'll you'll find me. I'm on yeah, Substack and YouTube on my main platforms. I'm also on Instagram and X. Uh but yeah, yeah, go ahead and go check out my work and and support it if you think it's valuable.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:35

Well, have a good one. Uh please uh stay safe and thank you for everything you do for the victims. Alright.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:42

No, thanks for having me. It's been a great conversation.