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The Miseducation of Job
Dr. Vincent Robinson joins the Something Like Sunday School podcast to explore the often misunderstood Book of Job, revealing how Satan exploits fear—not God's permission—to cause suffering. The team unpacks how Job's ritualistic sacrifices for his children's theoretical sins actually created spiritual vulnerabilities through fear rather than building protection through faith.
• Job was described as perfect and upright, yet his actions revealed deep-rooted anxiety
• Satan looks for "breaches in the hedge" of spiritual protection created by fear
• The first thing Satan destroyed was Job's oxen—strategically eliminating his means of sacrifice
• Job's statement "the Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away" was his misunderstanding, not God's truth
• The critical distinction between integrity (moral character) and faith (spiritual character)
• How to properly interpret scripture: "Every scripture is truthfully stated, but not every statement is truth"
• The importance of understanding God's true nature through Jesus rather than through Old Testament misinterpretations
• Practical ways to close spiritual doors that fear has opened in your life
• Why actions—not just thoughts—reveal where our true faith lies
Want to better understand how God's true nature aligns with Jesus's words in John 10:10—"I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly"? Follow Something Like Sunday School for more episodes that bring spiritual clarity and freedom.
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Speaker 2:What's up, everybody, and welcome back to your favorite podcast. Something like sunday school. I can purpose williams. This is the day that the Lord has made I rejoice and I'm glad and I'm I'm mad excited About this episode Tonight. I'm always excited About every episode, but this one for sure, because Satan's head Is going to be Bust. To the white meat. To the white meat. I have with me my brother and my sister. Brother Myron, tell the people hello.
Speaker 3:What's good fam.
Speaker 2:He hasn't been here for a while, but you know he's never far away. I got my sister Aerie with me.
Speaker 4:Hey everybody.
Speaker 2:And tonight we in here, like three little kids With our pops. Dr Vincent Robinson, what's up?
Speaker 5:everybody. I finally got invited back. I'm glad to be back. I thought I did bad.
Speaker 2:I thought I'm back, you know, you got an open invite.
Speaker 5:It's always good to be in Sunday school.
Speaker 2:I'm so excited, y'all, I can barely Like get the words out of my mouth. I forgot a lot of things I was supposed to say, but it doesn't matter, let's go, we gonna come out of my mouth. I forgot a lot of things I'm supposed to say, but it doesn't matter, let's go. We gonna come out of Joe, which is old testament. Right before some and I've been wrestling Not necessarily wrestling, I just knew I needed some, some heavy weight With this one, so like it's, like I knew how to explain it or whatever, but I really want y'all to get the. The. What's the word I'm looking for? What's the word I'm looking for? Just the essence of all of it. When people be eating, they be having these fancy meals and they be like it's a? What is it? When they take the meal apart and they serve it to you like that?
Speaker 1:Deconstruct it, come on it like that deconstructed come on.
Speaker 2:okay, this is a deconstructed meal on tonight and I'm excited for you to eat yeah and be fit to capacity and to want more, you know. So we're coming out of joe. Joe was was a book that I struggled with when I was young. It tormented me, tormented my mind. I felt like I was bound in hell, because I was like I can't do that, I don't want to be. What did people be saying? One of god's strongest soldiers? Don't give me the job I did not.
Speaker 2:Please don't put that one on me no, no, no, no, no, wow, and and really, because it felt like betrayal from God, god's part. He felt like betrayal because, uh, and you'll see, we're gonna read, we're gonna read chapter one, which is it's only 22 verses, it sounds long, but we're gonna read it, uh, because we always want to go, you know, directly to the word and to start you off, of course, so that you can be enticed and, uh, ignited to read the rest of it on your own right. Um it, it felt like betrayal from God and I was like, um, I don't know, like, how can I, can I fully be with you?
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And this is what you might do to me or to anybody that I love who loves you, Like. How can I, how can I rock with that?
Speaker 5:Right Out of nowhere.
Speaker 2:Out of nowhere. It was like watching a psychopath Right, or someone who was abusive to somebody who had been so loyal and so faithful to God, because the first two script, the first two scriptures, the first two scriptures, first few scriptures, we the Job is spoken highly of you know, and then it's like boom, like was he? Was he not high enough? Was he not good enough to avoid this?
Speaker 2:yeah but let's read, and I'm excited about um the questions that will be that will be answered on, and I'm excited about the questions that will be that will be answered tonight. I'm excited about it. I can read I'm in KJV. Does anybody else want to read? I read it. Bless the name of the Lord, go ahead.
Speaker 4:There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job, and that man was perfect and upright and one that feared God and eschewed evil, and there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. His substance also was 7,000 sheep and 3,000 camels and 500 yoke of oxen and 500 she-asses and every I'm sorryen and 500 she-asses and every I'm sorry in very great household, so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east so let's start right here.
Speaker 2:Look, I mean look at the, the deliciousness of this intro right he, he was perfect. You know upright, these are strong words. You know what I'm saying. Fear God Didn't mess with evil, and it says that he was the what, the greatest Yep, the greatest of all In the men of the east. That's a lot.
Speaker 5:Yep.
Speaker 2:You got a whole boundary that you haven't been called the greatest of. Also, it is just. You know, it's just when I read the scriptures and I just be so nosy about it, just so many things be like ping-ponging around in my mind. And so arian, I was talking about this also. I'm very fascinated with the numbers that are in the bible that usually stand out, which is like 3, 17, 24, 12, 42, and most of these numbers Are divisible by three or they're multiples of three. Which also makes me think Of the triune Father.
Speaker 5:Son Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2:And so we were recognizing that Most of the things that he had going on, where all of them Added up to the number three, he had seven sons, three daughters, I mean added up to the number ten, and then the animals Was seven and three and then the other ones was five and five. So I found that fascinating. Come on.
Speaker 5:Sunday school. That's what you pull out in Sunday school, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, it's just, you know, it's just fascinating and I felt like, of course, we know that no scripture, no word in the Bible is just happenstance. It's not just some randomness. Yeah, it's not decorations on the page.
Speaker 5:you know, yeah, yeah things, it's not just right, just some randomness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not decorations on the page, you know. Yeah, yeah, so it has some type of meaning, some meaning like so what? What do you think about that 10?
Speaker 5:that's being saturated right here well, divine completion, and I think what I love most about it's startup is that we're well, I think. But the thing we can't miss is the start of the chapter is identifying Joel, and I think it's important that we hold on to that, where it's talking about what type of man he was, that we don't lose sight of that, because when we go further down and find all of this stuff that starts to happen to him, we gotta keep in mind of what type of man he was, not what type of spirit he had, and we don't learn how to dissect the two, because what happened to him happened to him not because of the man he was, but the spirit that he walked in and I may be getting ahead of the subject matter but you know I just, I think we miss that because we tend to want to carry that into the story.
Speaker 5:Oftentimes, when people get in trouble, I'm so good I did this, I ain't did nobody, well, okay. Well, that's from a physical, humanistic us being able to see you. But what are you doing spiritually? What are you ignoring spiritually? What are you saying out of your mouth that's affecting you spiritually and what we're seeing as a result? What we're seeing, we're seeing as a result of your spirit, not as a result of the clothes you have on. How good you look your haircut.
Speaker 5:Uh, how you treat other people, but what are you doing beyond all of that?
Speaker 3:right, so here so we wrestle, not against flesh and blood.
Speaker 5:Come on now there it is, there it is, and so what we're going to try to do is take his flesh and blood into the story. But, remember, satan is a spiritual being. So Satan ain't dealing with his flesh. He wants to get to it. But in order to get to the flesh he has to go through his spirit, which is the same thing he did to Adam and Eve.
Speaker 2:Same thing. He don't have new games, no new games?
Speaker 5:Yeah, no new games.
Speaker 2:No, my Lord, that was the breakdown right there A little bit. That was the beginning of it. That was the meat of it. But Pastor Daphne Gonna break it down Even the more.
Speaker 4:Is what they used to say you gotta, you gotta, put the accent Even the more, even the more.
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 2:Even the more so we're at. We're in chapter one, verse four. I'm gonna read it. And his sons went and feasted in their houses Every one his day and sent and called For their three sisters To eat and drink with them. So we can see that the sons and the children Are pretty well off as well.
Speaker 2:And it was so, verse 5 when the days of their feasting Were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them and rose up early in the morning. This is important. And offer burnt offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, it may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
Speaker 5:Here we see where his spirit is, can we say anxiety, anxiety A lot of needless sacrifice.
Speaker 2:Anxious and we would think that and what happens here too? When I would read this when I was young, I was like he was being a good parent. He was covering them from every side, every angle. So that was I was like.
Speaker 5:That's what it sounds like. That's what it sounds like.
Speaker 3:But to me I was like okay, if you're such an upright man, considered the best in the East, you would train your children to be the same way. Now you know, as kids we don't always do what our parents do. Like they say, once you instill something in them, they don't forget it.
Speaker 4:But I looked at it as so. Even though you train your children, they still have to make their own choices. So at this point, job is to me trying to step in and be their savior and make sure that he covers. Wow, that's not his job.
Speaker 5:That's not his job. That's so good. Yeah, that's so good. That's so good. In addition to the fact that you can't ask their way of asking for forgiveness in the old testament was not only one a verbal, but they also gave sacrifice right they had to put a physical blood in place where we confess and Jesus blood automatically does it. Um, so he is. He is shedding blood for sin. That is not there, because he said it might be that they've seen, so that mean they hadn't done it yet just in case, just in case.
Speaker 5:It's an assumption continually. So how can blood is supposed to cover sin, not see, and sit on top of blood? So if you gave the sacrifice before they sin, there was nothing for the blood to cover, and if I sin afterwards, that mean that the sin is on top of the blood, not under it and blood is no good and the blood is no good and would that be considered like murder rather than than sacrifice?
Speaker 5:yeah, yeah, slaughter since his animals. He just went on a nice little slaughter. Yeah, that's insane, yeah, that's insane. And then it says he did continually so that means that this is, you know we, what we could be. What we're reading in one verse could be three months of activity, right, because it said he did continually so this, this, this, not only this party and feast, this may be anytime. They went out the house.
Speaker 4:Some folks like the party every day what you say.
Speaker 3:And they had it to do.
Speaker 5:This could have been a weekend thing for him.
Speaker 2:So would this be like on the lines of ritualism and kind of like, uh, witchcraft also?
Speaker 5:yeah, I wouldn't call it witchcraft, but I would, I would. I believe that everything we read in the old we can find in the new, and as I'm looking at this, I'm thinking about mark 7, where Jesus says that, uh, for your traditions of men, you make the word of God of none effect. So he was making it of none effect. What he was doing was of none effect wow, because it was nothing to affect either because there was nothing to affect that is nothing to.
Speaker 2:That's insane gee whiz here we are. I was thinking that he was just you know, I just saw it as him being a good parent.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but here's the other part to it before you move on. Yes, sir, it's funny what he said. It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God.
Speaker 1:To the degree.
Speaker 3:In their hearts, in their hearts. You took the extreme All the way.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean you could have said well, they may get drunk, you know they may. No, you say they're going to curse.
Speaker 4:God, that's anxiety, that's anxiety.
Speaker 2:For sure, that's total defiance man yeah.
Speaker 5:The full degree. Yeah, he took the extreme of the matter Like, wow, I mean that almost not calls into question all this stuff we read about you at the top. Is none of that rubbing off Yep, of that rubbing off Yep? That's one of my questions.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, there's none of it rubbing off my. Lord man, that is, that's absolutely true. Like and he can attest to this, it was a lot of things that we didn't do, even though we did things. It was a lot of things that we didn't do and we didn't indulge in because of our parents.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Cause. We didn't see them yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We did not see them doing anything outside of the will of God.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 2:And that's not to say that they were perfect, but we, we never witnessed our parents you know, not on the side of God. You know what I mean like in in any way. We never witnessed that. So it was a lot of things we would be like right here, yeah he was like nah, yeah, we ain't crossing that line, right? This is for. I look at the edge, but I just won't jump right up to it and turn away.
Speaker 5:You guys have fun if you was like me, you had parents that can whoop, you know, it just wasn't the spiritual side. Oh my God yeah.
Speaker 2:And then we had the circle that could whoop yeah, if you was, it was one of them. Even if it wasn't your parent, it was like your parent, right? I? Ain't even gonna tell your mom and dad. And Then you got that Double dad to whoop that double portion, as I used to watch On the sidelines my brothers and sisters In. Christ Received their Just reward. Man, I remember. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:We're going to get back to it. I remember we were In church I think we had just like Got out of Sunday school or whatever and Tootie had Did something, and now you heard this Because she had got pinched because of something she was doing. I'll tell you something boy them pinches my God right up under that back arm right up they know how to find that meat too, boy, they'll do it and they'll go right back to clapping and praising the living God. Those were the days Good times, yeah, good times.
Speaker 3:Especially when it wasn't you Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a mess, that's cold.
Speaker 3:And they say you can't have a good time In the Lord.
Speaker 2:Right, right, jesus we was, we was something else. I tell you that Verse 6, would you read it for us, brother Myron, jesus, we was something else. I tell you that Verse six, would you read it?
Speaker 3:for us, brother Myron. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came along. Satan came also among them and the Lord said unto Satan whence comest thou? Then satan answered the lord and said from going to and fro in the earth and from walking up and down in it. And the lord said unto satan, as thou considered my servant joel, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears god and askeweth evil let me stop it right there.
Speaker 2:So here Verse 6 is where I ran into A wall. That was like I know you're lying. So my question right here was how did Satan even have access To present himself with the sons of God? Like what do you mean? I understood the to and fro, cause you're on earth, but the up and down is what tripped me out. So how do you have, how does he have access to God in that way? Right?
Speaker 5:I don't. I don't fully and absolutely believe that where we're, where this discussion is happening, is in heaven. I believe it's happening in the heavenlies. Right, you got heaven, heavens. And then the heavenlies is what the bible says, that's psalms 115. Right, the heaven, even the heavens of the lord, but the earth have been given to the children of man. So there are three levels of heaven. We can see one, we would call it the sky. Then there's that invisible realm where principalities, powers of dark, rules of darkness, world, spiritual weakness, high places dwell. That's the heavenlies, and you have heaven. Heaven is the strong, the earth is his footstool. So you got three.
Speaker 5:I don't believe that satan was in heaven per se right, I believe he was at, at somewhere in those dimensions and it was a meeting that was taking place and the bible says satan came. Also, I don't find, I've not found in scripture where it gives us clear revelation on where that meeting was taking place. Right, we know that he is an accused of the brethren and some people will argue to say well, it was in heaven if he's before God, accusing us so mythological in its and poetic in its reading that it could be saying one thing and actually meaning something totally different, and so I can honestly say I don't have full understanding of that.
Speaker 5:And where that? I think about John. When he said he was taken up to the third heaven, whether in the spirit or in the flesh, he said I don't know. So, he, what he was saying was I don't know if God just brought me all the way up there, my whole body, or I don't know if, while I was sleep, god took me you get it.
Speaker 5:so in other words, he said I'm doing my best to explain to you as best I can what I saw with who I thought I may have been, so I think it's it's plausible. I think we should leave some things plausible and not trying to make it say something that it doesn't say and just take from it what it is saying. I would I don't know if Satan is going to heaven talking to God if he was kicked out Right and then he was cursed to crawl.
Speaker 4:How is he showing back up there like that and so?
Speaker 5:that's that. That would be the question that I would have.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, but that makes sense what you said. That also made me think about Daniel.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:When he was saying that. He heard what he said, but he was, you know, in the battle being with hell.
Speaker 5:Michael and his angels fought yeah. And then, but that was in the heavenlies though. Right, that was on Michael's way down.
Speaker 2:Right, that was in the heavenlies, though. Right right, that was on Michael's way down, right, absolutely. So that's what I can eat. That, what was it? It made me think of the scripture whatsoever we bind on earth.
Speaker 5:Bound in heaven. Bound in heaven.
Speaker 2:And that's not heaven.
Speaker 5:That's not heaven, right. That's not God's throne Right right, because you don't need to bind nothing up there. Right, it's not God's room, right? So, yeah, right, because you don't need to buy nothing up there.
Speaker 2:Right and everything that wasn't supposed to be up there. He kicked it out. He kicked it out, right, okay, I have a question.
Speaker 3:Okay, Now we're reading where it says he was roaming to and fro in the earth.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:And it said, the sons of God came to present themselves. So what have you considered Job Like? Was he like, okay, were you planning on? Was Job the one you were going to choose? Or what made him kind of be like have you considered my servant Job?
Speaker 5:Yeah well, so let's read into it and see what it said. The Bible says Now was the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before God, and Satan came also among them, right. And the Lord said unto Satan which cometh thou? Let's stop assuming that God didn't know where he was Right, because if we lead in with God, is asking questions because he don't know, then the assumption when he's talking about Job is that he don't know that either. He knew he was looking at Job, right. So what he's saying oh you could, he's not asking it in question form, he's asking it in foreknowledge. Oh, you can, he's not asking it in question form, he's asking it in in foreknowledge. Oh, you can see you roaming up and down, but you're really looking at Joe, so you consider my servant Joe. We put.
Speaker 3:We put a question mark because in our language we, when we read, we read as a question, but that's really a statement. That's like and when? I? When I initially read it, when she told him, I was like wait a minute.
Speaker 5:It's like he knowing, like because he's saying he roaming, he's like, but I know you're looking at Joe. Yeah, I know you're looking at Joe. Yeah, I like to give the illustration of if you and I worked on a job. Right, I'm on the first floor, you're on the third floor. The only time you and I see each other is when we go in. Other than that, you I stay on the first, you stay on the third. But a girl come and she come to work on the third floor and all of a sudden I show up on the third floor. You're going to walk up to me and tell me, vince, what you doing up here?
Speaker 1:You already know why I'm up here.
Speaker 5:You get what I'm saying. You're not questioning me because you don't know.
Speaker 5:And you're not offering the girl love? Yeah, and you're not offering the girl love. You're just like what you up here, because every other dude probably coming up here too, ben, what you up here, for you know what I'm saying. You looking at that, you looking at Shemeika over there, I'd be like nah, man, I ain't looking at Shemeika, man, where she at, though. So you know, we assume that God is ignorant in having this conversation. He's just like when he said, adam, where art thou Come on man he can know,
Speaker 5:It wasn't like he didn't know where Adam was. He's questioning Adam on whether or not Adam know where he is Not. If I know where you're at and so we you know, I think when we don't understand that I say this all the time I just thank the Lord it belonged to him, but you know, I like to use the word stoli. When I heard him say, I said I'm holding on to that. If the introduction is off, the instructions will always be misunderstood, and so because we were introduced to this story wrong and introduced to God wrong, when we read the instructions we still misunderstanding yeah, I never felt so.
Speaker 2:Um, epiphany is too small of a word. When I first heard you break this down for us at church and you also told us to go back to the true nature of God. Who God says he? Is and not even people in the Bible say who God was but who God says about himself, and I know it's over there in John, where it says that he came to give life.
Speaker 5:That's it.
Speaker 2:And that life more abundantly. And it's clear about what the enemy is for the adversary to steal kill and to destroy. So I knew, like I say, sometimes even my finite mind just couldn't understand. My spirit man still very much knew. Even if I feel like I got all this evidence proving that God betrayed Job and just offered him up as a ransom, I knew deep down inside that that was not it wow that wasn't what I was reading.
Speaker 2:but you know, the the natural side of the flesh is like it's right there there. He gave him up, you know. So it was always very much a tug of war for me. But you know, like I said, I always I felt like my natural resolution or like I used to have a whole academic nature. I know that resolution was not correct. Wow, I knew it wasn't correct, but you know.
Speaker 5:You know what scripture you just used is so powerful, though, that we know the thief coming out before the still killing to destroy. We know, ultimately the thief is satan, right, but in, in the context of that john 10, do you know what the thief was? Posing itself as false teaching, right? It starts in John 9, boy born blind. Who did you sing in? Who did you sing?
Speaker 5:this boy or his parents. What was that? That was a false doctrine being promulgated amongst the Jewish custom right. And then Jesus. He goes into John 10. He say now, if you start leading people, if people lead you by any other door, what is it? Door of wrong doctrine. He's a thief and a robber. A thief and a robber, I am the door. So you should be leading everybody through me, because I'm the word, the thief comes to steal, kill and destroy With what Wrong doctrine? Wrong doctrine.
Speaker 4:But, I am come?
Speaker 5:Who am I, the word that you might have life, and that life more abundant? So what is the problem with Job? Wrong doctrine, wrong doctrine. And so who's getting the victory? The thief, the thief. And what victory is he getting? Making us think that God turns us over to Satan to get something better out of us.
Speaker 2:Look how continuous that thievery is. Huh, Still, even now it's continuous, oh yeah.
Speaker 5:Well, here it is. Satan don't need to sow, but once he don't.
Speaker 2:And we do the rest of it.
Speaker 1:We do the rest of it. We work hard in that garden, that's it Of misteaching yeah.
Speaker 5:Sweating.
Speaker 2:He sow it, we grit it, we'll till it, we'll till it and it'll grow, and then we'll get a seed out to other people Absolutely.
Speaker 5:Let that fruit grow and take that same seed and plant it into the next generation and watch that same thing grow in generation after generation after generation and God will get you when he wants to. Oh yeah, it gets stronger and stronger. Yeah, people get defiant. When I teach it, people got defiant. I was like wow, I'm telling you God wouldn't do it to you. You mad, yeah, you mad. And you want to tell me he will that?
Speaker 2:don't make no sense and they wear it like a mantle. It's this Purple Heart type deal. Yeah, you do know, with the Purple Heart you got to pass away. Why would I wear that and why would I receive? So I didn't receive, but I definitely, uh, wrestled with it and it was a strong wrestle.
Speaker 4:I felt like Jacob a little bit but I didn't want to do it, you know hold on to me, but I did wrestle.
Speaker 2:I did wrestle with that um, and I tell people this a lot when I came to Right Way, I had so many questions In my heart, like of the Bible and the scripture, and a lot of it Came from Just Thinking that I already knew and not actually you know, reading for myself, because you feel like you heard the stories Over and over again and I talk about these All the time but One and this all happened the first time I visited. And I talk about this All the time but One. And this All happened the first. The first time I visited. You already know, yeah, it happened the first time, and I knew.
Speaker 2:I knew when I came in the door, even before I heard Anything, that that was supposed To be my church home. This was the time when I wasn't going to church and it had upset them. They were just, they would be calling me. I'd be lying to him and telling him yeah, I'm gonna come to church or whatever, or and I could laugh about it now, but it was a sad time. My mama used to be calling me baby, you're going to church. Today I tell her yes, ma'am, quit, knowing I was lying. Yes, ma'am, but when I walked in the door, I knew it immediately. I knew it and it was so strong that I wanted to run out the door. Oh, wow, because I had got I won't say satisfied, but I had got used to being outside, outside of you know, out of fellowship with God. I knew that it was still out of pocket and it wasn't that I was just doing Wild things. I felt like this was my teenage years With the Lord. Yeah, you know, just outside. And what can your parents Tell you?
Speaker 2:I don't need to hear that. You know what I'm saying. But Pastor, he was like I don't know, I'm going down this road. He talked about so many things. He talked about the dispensation of grace. He was jumping up and down. I saw his white socks. That was a thing. But the dispensation of grace Really caught my attention Because we hadn't that, hadn't been taught Anywhere outside of With my you know, my childhood church.
Speaker 5:At.
Speaker 2:Shore and I was like, oh, I see what you're doing, holy Spirit. I see what you're doing, holy spirit. I see what you're doing. You're trying to really uh, get me back in this thing. And then he talked about um why bad things happen in the earth, and he talked about what happened with um mary. All this is all in one message. So you mean, I'm gonna be bombarded With this deliciousness like this Every time and ever since then I felt like I was telling you know, pops before me, a lot of people. I found my spiritual sanity. I felt like I had lost my mind, like my spiritual mind, yeah, and I was cool with it, and that's a crazy place. Wow, that's a crazy place to be.
Speaker 2:But, those revelations and I was cool with it and that's a crazy place. Wow, that's a crazy place to be. But those revelations let me fall in love with God Like I loved him. But it was mostly fear. Fear as in I know I better love him. But as far as like relationship, no, wow, I didn't trust him. I didn't trust him. I didn't trust him. Wow, for just you know just a bunch of different misunderstandings and you know mis-teachings or whatever, but praise God, wow.
Speaker 3:That's awesome For the truth. Praise God for the truth, that's why it's so important that we do go back and read for ourselves.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:My pops always say Don't take everything I say from face to face.
Speaker 2:Read it for yourself.
Speaker 3:Check it up, my Holy Spirit. Yeah, because we We've been told a lot. We have been told a lot Across the, across the pulpit. Yeah, that people you know, and we don't fault them, they doing the best, they can Right. But that's why, at the end of the day, the earnest is still on us absolutely still on us right scripture is clear about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, this scripture is clear about it. Uh, verse nine. Then satan answered the lord and said does joe fear god? For not, has not thou made and hedge about him and about his house and about all that he has on every side? Thou has blessed the work of his hands and his substance is increased in the land. What I found interesting about this chapter too, the word curse was used pretty heavily. For it to just be a few verses, and it was, like he said, to the very the strongest degree of no relationship with God, cursing God. Also, it sounds like Satan is putting the doing of the evil on the hand of the Lord. So he said he was pretty much, you know, to me he was saying oh, joe, trust, you like this because everything is going well. But what if you make everything go bad? Will he still trust?
Speaker 1:you.
Speaker 2:And so again, like you say, when we get, when we're reading through the wrong door, we will easily believe that, oh God, really do give and take away. He gave him all these things and now he's going to put his hand to destroy, just to see. I don't want to be tested like that.
Speaker 5:Right, right, right. Make him sound like he a big bully too. If you, if you, need Satan to prove who you are, something's wrong, something is wrong yeah. Something is, something's wrong, something is wrong yeah, some is. But you know what else I think we overlook in that we don't see that there's that satan understands. Um, he understood, he understands that he respects order, because he asked. He told god you got a hedge and the only way I can get to him is if you remove the hedge and so if you right.
Speaker 5:So if you look at Ecclesiastes 10, verse eight and nine. It says he that dig at the pit shall fall into it. Watch this. And whoso breaketh and hedge, the serpent shall bite him. So say no, I can't. This is so powerful. Satan is saying I can't get to him or anyone else unless there's a breach in the hedge, and and and we're gonna see. We keep reading. He finds the breach in the head. Now watch this. The breach in the hedge is not joel himself. Remember we started at the top. Keep that he. He say the breach in the hedge is not joel, he's a perfect man. He eschews evil. He upright. That ain't where the breach is at. Joe was so focused on the breach not being with him that he never paid attention.
Speaker 2:That was one that was open in his spirit and see that goes back to what you were just telling us before talking about the infirmities, and that being an open door, open doors Verse nine, verse nine Whoso removeth stones shall be hurt therewith.
Speaker 5:So is Joel removing stones? Yes, he is. Yes, he is removing stones. Every time his kids go out the stone that should have been protecting him. He was removing it, oh my God, With his actions.
Speaker 2:He's doing all this himself, ain't no?
Speaker 5:stones are the ones that got him stoned Absolutely, and all Satan is doing is coming to reclaim what now belongs to him. That's all he coming to do.
Speaker 2:Because of fear.
Speaker 5:Because of fear, because of fear, all he doing.
Speaker 2:That is insane and we still do the same to this day. They like to call it. What is it called Self-sabotage?
Speaker 5:Self-sabotage, jesus Self-sabotage.
Speaker 2:Jesus Christ of Nazareth. So it was a hedge there. Yeah, so God didn't even remove the heads, it was Job doing it.
Speaker 5:It was Job doing it. God actually tried. You do not find Job's name in Hebrews 11, which is the hallmark of faith.
Speaker 2:You don't find it in there.
Speaker 5:You find it when the Bible talks about integrity. You don't find it when he talk about faith, because his integrity was impeccable, but he was flawed in his faith, because you can't have faith and fear at the same time.
Speaker 2:So would that mean that in integrity and fear I mean integrity and faith don't necessarily? Just because you have faith doesn't mean you automatically have integrity, right?
Speaker 5:And just because you have integrity don't mean yeah, because it's. It's some people that can mad believe God for some stuff and show up and integrity just is just as jacked up. And then there's people with integrity that are never.
Speaker 4:Don't believe that I never believe god to the degree of exercise and faith my god, yeah so integrity is more your moral character absolutely and faith is your spiritual character there's the oil, there's the I love, I love that You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2:See how she just come in so easy.
Speaker 5:You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3:It could not have been better said. Integrity.
Speaker 5:In the words of the host, that was delicious, absolutely delicious. That's exactly what that is.
Speaker 2:I hope she's writing it down now. I hope she's writing it down now. I hope she's writing it down now.
Speaker 4:What'd I say? I said integrity is your moral character.
Speaker 5:And faith is your spiritual character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is so good we have. I've been thinking that they coexist automatically.
Speaker 5:As long as I don't lie, as long as I treat people right, and everything God's going to do it. God said that ain't faith. It's not faith.
Speaker 2:That's just treating people right. That's actually in this work. If we putting it to because I'm doing this, that's going to yeah.
Speaker 5:That's exactly what it would be If you're going to try to use integrity to make it faith into work. He's turning into work.
Speaker 4:So I need to repent to my kids because I'm always saying you know, as long as you do what you're supposed to do, everything gonna work out.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that ain't true.
Speaker 4:It's not true.
Speaker 2:It's not. It sounds good.
Speaker 5:It sounds real good Because in and of himself. Job did everything, but it didn't work out. It did in the end because he got his spiritual character together in the end, but in the end, but in the beginning it was the lack of his spiritual character that got him in trouble.
Speaker 2:Okay, my Lord, it's even better than I thought. Even better, even the more, even, the more, my Lord Jesus.
Speaker 4:And, to sum it up, do with it what you will, do with it what you will. That's what Pop will.
Speaker 5:that's what I'm saying and that's exactly what God tried to get Job off on. He tried to get Job off the attack with his integrity, and Satan was like I ain't here for his integrity. That ain't that ain't. Yeah, you right he everything you said, but that ain't what I'm here for.
Speaker 4:I'm here for something greater.
Speaker 5:And you got to let me have it because of your sovereign law, so you can't break it. So, actually, job tied God's hands. He did Because God tried to get him off with integrity. He's a good, he's a perfect man. But that open door over there based on your sovereign will, I have a right to it because you said fear not.
Speaker 3:It's amazing how you hear how all this stuff coincide, like I hear, according to your faith being done unto you.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And what was the other scripture about denying the power thereof? Yeah, out of the above, yeah.
Speaker 5:You can see a lot the blood on the doorposts.
Speaker 3:Right Types and shadows.
Speaker 5:All through the Bible. Yeah, the stone is removed. Christ is not in place. You just see it. You can just see everything. You can see many other outs that he could have had that even with those other outs, they weren't there.
Speaker 2:You know what it makes me think about, too Jesus with Peter when he was telling them. You know, my hands are tied for real, but I pray that your faith don't fail, not that your integrity don't fail.
Speaker 5:I call that the.
Speaker 1:New Testament Joel story.
Speaker 5:It is yeah that's what I call that the New Testament, Joel story. I never thought about that if you, if you I say that because if you really, if Jesus is the express image of the invisible.
Speaker 5:God and he said I only do what I hear my father say, and only I only say only say what I hear my father say. I'm gonna do what I see my father do for me and my father are one. Well then, if Jesus is the express image of the invisible God and they two do the same thing alike, jesus did not say Satan desired to sift you, and I told him he couldn't right. He said Satan desired to sift you, and I prayed that your faith don't fail he actually gave him the solution right away, he did he sure did.
Speaker 2:He gave him the solution. Yeah, he, I like, and most of the time when Jesus talks he's talking and answering At the same time. He's giving you the ram and the thick and it's crazy that you said that it's crazy that you said that, because we were reading about Abraham the time you were doing the message on Abraham and it was something that he and I said. It was some question that Jesus had. Well, god had asked, but the asking was the answer.
Speaker 2:I can't remember what the Holy Spirit would bring back to me, but it was something about the sacrifice, but it was the question that he asked. Was the answer? I'm going to have to come back um to that no, that's good it was. It was real good, yeah, but he gave him the answer you know. Right, then I pray.
Speaker 5:Your faith don't fail you yeah, but you're gonna fail anyway. So when you, when you strengthen, when you recover, strengthen your right when you recover.
Speaker 2:Strengthen your brother Right when you recover. Strengthen your brother man. It's just delicious when we really we really get to take in and we really see what's like really going on. It's just God is just so meticulous, yeah, and he's so just intentional. He really we like to say that, but once we really just Look at what's going on, we really see the intent Behind everything.
Speaker 3:He did you see the hand of God Just interwoven? You can, you can see the way of escape. You can see it.
Speaker 2:You can see the way of escape Presented so many times. Lord Jesus, what scripture we on guys Twelve. And the Lord said unto Satan Behold, all that he have Is in thy power. What scripture we on guys 12. And the Lord said unto Satan Behold, all that he have is in thy power. Only upon himself. Put not forth thine hand. And so Satan went from the presence of the Lord again, Like Pop just told us that sound like he just gave Joe over with all his stuff. But again Satan had found the little crack. He found the leak in the old building. He got on in there.
Speaker 3:All it takes is a leak. But even in that he said you can touch all the stuff, but you can't take his life. So he still pretend Right. But why not him though Haven't?
Speaker 1:we ever thought about that.
Speaker 5:Why not him? Because he was perfect. He was upright for himself, for himself. So he couldn't touch that. The fear that Job had in his heart wasn't towards him dying it wasn't on himself, right, it wasn't on him.
Speaker 5:So there was no way for Satan to get to that part of him. Like it's just so much other stuff, we skip over what's you saying, right, and I, I just real quick, I had this. So when my girls were little, I was, you know, on my little black trip and, uh, oprah Winfrey at that time I'm like I was so proud of her. You know she's the only main black person on television and you know a lot of other people.
Speaker 5:um, I was watching, and so back in those days, all her shows were about being raped and molested you know daycares and stuff like that, and so when my daughters would go to daycare they would come home and I would bathe them and I would check them out. They was little kids at the time. So you know, as they got older, shonda, you need to watch them now. But as babies, I'm looking over my daughters and making sure they back in the house, like like they left out the house, you know, because I'm I'm looking at Oprah and that's all I'm feeding myself with, so I got fear in my heart that my daughter's going on, my son going to get touched or raped at the daycare or something like that, right, so I'm checking them out.
Speaker 5:They ain't spending the night over, nobody house.
Speaker 5:I got a house big enough. Let them come over here, you know. And I didn't even realize that all of that was being propagated by fear in my heart. Not not, it's all right if it's by concern. But it wasn't concern, it was fear. It was fear that I allowed myself to be fed by something because I put it in me by watching her. Well, I allow her to put it in me by watching it.
Speaker 5:So one night I'm praying and I heard. I heard Holy Spirit say it's going to happen and it's going to be your fault. And I'm like what he say? It's going to happen and it's going to be your fault because you're that guardian and you have this door open. And, man, I just broke out crying and I'm like OK, what do you want me to do? He say you have to commit them to my care and trust me that I can protect them when you're not there. I repented that night and put my children in God's care and that's why I clearly understand Joel from what God said to me. He said it's going to happen. Not that I'm going to do it, it's going to be your fault because you got a door open in this area. This is not concern, son, this is fear. And anywhere there's fear, satan. I can't protect you in your place. I can warn you, I can, I can see, I can, I can do everything else, but keep him away from you because you got the door open. Wow, so I understand Job's story clear. Clearly.
Speaker 2:I understand this story right here so let me ask you this, pastor um, I and I remember you breaking that part down for us too, and I was in fear of some things happening and I knew that I didn't want it to happen.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 2:And so I was like yo, like I really all this time, like you said, I felt like I was just being concerned about it. I even felt like I was ahead of the game and you know, speaking against it and all this stuff. But I did realize that I was speaking against it in fear. But at the time I'm thinking that I'm closing the door and I'm just opening it wider and wider. So I would like for you to say you say you committed your children to God, you gave them to God. What does that look like to someone who doesn't quite understand what that means, and especially now in this time when people just hold on to fear?
Speaker 2:for dear life hold on to anxiety, hold on to everything, and I know, like you said, a lot of it comes from them too, not guarding their gaze. There's a lot of things I want to watch and I want to listen to and I used to be obsessed with what was it? Lower North SBU Special Victims Unit.
Speaker 2:Which they had a lot of rape and sexual assault things. And then I realized it was taking over and I was like you know what? I can't watch this no more Because it started making me get in fear about my sister, my brother, Mm-hmm, and just you know a lot of things. It started consuming you, it started consuming me. I mean a real fire, a consuming fire.
Speaker 5:Yeah, because faith come by hearing.
Speaker 2:By hearing and hearing.
Speaker 5:So fear does too.
Speaker 2:And hearing, oh Lord, and watching, and hearing and watching.
Speaker 5:So it's the same as what are you feeding your spirit? What are you feeding your spirit? Yeah, so so, so to that, the first thing I would say is you have to repent, right, I think repent and repent demands a pivot. So I stopped watching Oprah, I totally got rid of her. Um, I started speaking and confessing the word of my children and praying for divine protection and safety over them, and then I think the here's the main thing you've got to change behaviors, because behavior actually tells where you are in faith. So, as far as checking on them, I wash them get them out the tub, dry them off, you get.
Speaker 5:You get what I'm saying. All that checking them in, looking at no, no, if okay, if I'm in faith that God got them, what am I looking for? What am I?
Speaker 2:checking for.
Speaker 5:Right. So I think one way you know that you have the was the. The thoughts still come up. Yes, so you don't use thoughts to determine, because that's how Satan works. He got to start with thoughts. So you can't't let the thought it's the activity of the thought that determines where the thought is right take no thought saying so. Number one are you saying it? Number two are you becoming active to that thought? So when that thought came to my mind, I had to speak against it, cast it down. I was filled with the spirit. So I spent time praying in spirit. It'll wash that thought out every time it came. I knew that to have the thought didn't mean that I wasn't what I said I was. I think sometimes people say I've been confessing and everything, but I'm still having the thoughts. Well, thoughts are real. Every thought you think is not yours right. So you got to understand the dynamics of thoughts and I don't think people understand that because they think well, if I pray, if I'm praying and I'm still thinking it, then I must not be.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no no, that's Satan's job. That's what he's saying. He sends intrusive thoughts, so that don't mean it ain't happening. That just. Actually. It should be an indication that it is because. Why would he be sending so many?
Speaker 2:thoughts Well, he keep trying, right, you know he losing, yeah he lose, absolutely.
Speaker 5:So when he, when he know he losing ground, he got to shoot both fiery darts right, and so you just kind of got to stay consistent in that. But I think the main thing is observing your actions, because your actions are telltale signs of where your faith is. Absolutely yeah, absolutely so. Once I stop all the washing and stuff like that, just gave him a bath and and and and cleaned them as I regularly would as a parent, and stop searching and looking at their body parts and turn around, boy, you know, looking up. No, no, if I believe God got him, god got him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then too, I saw a couple of things. When you said that, um, about faith and works, it's just the perverted side of it, fearing works. So you gonna it's gonna manifest Like faith and works. Have no choice but to manifest.
Speaker 5:That's good.
Speaker 2:Fearing works. Have no choice but to manifest the thing and also I saw a fear being passed down.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So, especially like your kids are old enough to understand what you're doing and now they're in fear too Absolutely. And now you got multiple doors, absolutely, and it's just it's a whole bunch of things.
Speaker 3:But he'll just say then the converse must be true. The converse must be true, the converse must be true.
Speaker 2:It's the flip side, where they say Two sides to the coin, two sides to every coin.
Speaker 5:That's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw that and I didn't want to pass on fear. I knew I didn't want to do that. It just, it was just a whole lot. And then, when you talked about that was another thing that I found delicious. Uh, when you be what's the word? When you're a creative person or you even admire creativity, your mind does a lot of things. Oh yes, lord. And so, um, some thoughts I used to have. I used to be like, oh my god. But when I knew, when I come to you, know the revelations, you telling us even those thoughts, and that hours I felt so relieved because I'm like, oh my god, am I an evil person? Like, am I crazy? Like what is this? You know what I'm saying. And just to know those, those crazy thoughts are not mine.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It was a relief for me. So when I say I keep saying this, when I say I find my spiritual sanity when I came to the right way, I really found my spiritual sanity when I came the right way. And um, so now, um, when I well, when, when I Well, when a certain thought Comes to me I don't even say when I think those things, since I know they're not my thoughts it's so much easier For me to To rebuke them.
Speaker 1:And send them back when they came from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I just my heart always go out To people who don't, who don't know. And again, the scripture is clear If you don't know, you're going to perish. Ignorance is only going to create death. And if you start accepting those thoughts and those things as it's coming from you, some people just give in to oh I'm low down, oh I'm evil.
Speaker 5:Oh, I'm this and that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, you know you talked about being creative.
Speaker 5:Job was a creative person, because if you Makes, sense. Now I don't know if you would go there, but you go further into Job. He's talking about constellations and everything. So Job was deep spiritual, so it's not strange when you read about sons of God meeting and Satan coming to and Satan attacking him because Job he just had. And I'm right, I'm a creative person too and I have to check my like why am I thinking about that? Man, why my mind way over that?
Speaker 1:deep off into that.
Speaker 5:You'd be like God dog. But I think creative people do have a more a higher spiritual tone, if you will, than just some average people. And for creative people, they have to be very, very careful in what they listen to, because that thing will trail off and it'll start grabbing other stuff out of the spirit realm and bringing it into it that don't have anything to do with it and you, your mind, will make, oh, make the things make sense yep, yep, it will make the things make sense.
Speaker 5:I've never found a creative person that don't talk to themselves that don't talk to themselves yeah, and talk out loud too.
Speaker 2:You almost think they're crazy yeah, because it kind of just shoot out before you even know it kind of shoot out and you got people looking at you like uh-huh yeah so you, they, they.
Speaker 5:I can see how this so easily happened, with joel being able to see something that his kids couldn't see and see the possibility of them falling into something uh, with him being at a level that they weren't.
Speaker 2:Yes, I could see that too.
Speaker 5:And over-causing himself in a place that he should not have.
Speaker 2:Over-analyzing. I never put that together that he was a creative person. He very much was, oh, absolutely.
Speaker 5:Absolutely very much. You can't tell me you're talking about Leviathan and constellations and you ain't seeing it in the spirit realm. He probably seeing it deep in the spirit realm, Very deep, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:It's so crazy. My students and I, right before the end of the fall session, we were reading on constellations, solar system and all that stuff. So our curriculum is Bible-based. So they were talking about Job and what people in the Bible might have seen dinosaurs and stuff like this. So Job came up and he was talking about Leviathan and so me and my children, you know, we were just researching it. We have this part where we actually do go through our Bible. It's called finding and search. So it's exciting for them and I'll be like Lord, don't, let me say nothing, that's gone. You know, Trip, my children Right, I still wanted to be very you know.
Speaker 5:Entertaining Childlike Right.
Speaker 2:But I was just fascinated by that and I never put that together. He had to be a creator.
Speaker 5:For his mind to be doing those things. I think that's probably why he was so perfect and upright too.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, because you feel the need to be and you also feel you know what's going to be on the other side, or whatever.
Speaker 2:So, like you said, I think he probably did see some things that could have turned into craziness in his children, because even I look at my students and they're not even my biological children and I can look at them and be like, right yeah, so you need to stay on this side of this, right, you know you need to stay away from that or you need to be telling their parents, you know, look out look out for this.
Speaker 3:You might want to pay extra attention.
Speaker 2:I told one of my parents this little guy his name was Michael, he was a businessman To the core Like he had my kids In our class and we gonna, we gonna, move on my kids in our class. I have this system when which I didn't do it this year, but all the years before I pass out Money to them it's fake money, but it's, you know, hundred dollar bills, but they fascinated by that. And so at the end of the week, well, every week we start out with $500, right, Okay $500 a day.
Speaker 2:So during the week they can either add to that money or, you know, they do something crazy and I be like you know. Give me my money, give me $100 back. You know you owe me money now, yada, yada. So at the end of the week they buy things out of the tree box with the fake money.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 4:Michael turns $500 into a whole working business operation.
Speaker 2:He came to the table and he looked at the things and he was like you know, all the other kids was like ooh, ooh, ooh and they just buying stuff. You know, he's looking at the things and I don't need that, I don't need that either. And so some of the kids, they was coming up short. He loans the children money and tells them they owe him interest.
Speaker 2:Wow he kept up with who who he loaned the money to and how much interest they owed him. He set up a system where the children were working for him.
Speaker 3:He bought the stuff from me and sold it back to the children at a higher price hey, my boy, I know you ain't buying somebody the treat box and you owe me some easy and he kept.
Speaker 2:He had a book, he had a business plan and he was in. I think mike was in third grade then. That's phenomenal, he was in. I think Michael was in third grade then.
Speaker 5:That's phenomenal.
Speaker 2:He was fascinating. So I told him. I said his mind really tickles my fancy. I used to just like to watch him work. Beautiful, he was a mathematician, everything, anything you could give him English or whatever. Michael. Wow, michael knew, yeah, but I told his mama. I said Michael Is going to be A businessman and he's going to be successful. Now, what side of business he be on, that's going to be up to him Right. Right, so you're going to have to Keep him in mentorship. Yeah, you got to keep him On the right side.
Speaker 5:Because he going to do it, yeah, but you got to keep On the right yeah.
Speaker 2:You got to and I didn't tell him To do any of those things. This is just him and he, but also His parents. His mom was in the military, his dad was a truck driver, his parents talked to him About trust funds. They talked to him About this stuff. So he was taught About money.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And how to make it grow, and you know All these things. So, you know they passed that Down to him, but I told him my boy he gonna be A businessman.
Speaker 5:That's good.
Speaker 2:You gotta make sure that he's on the right side, right, right, you gotta do that. Be that as it may, let's get back to it. We are on 13, and there was a day when his sons and daughters here we go, the foreshadowing Were eating and drinking wine In their eldest brother's house. I always liked how close they were too. How they seemed so close.
Speaker 2:So he did give good morals you know what I'm saying he was a family man, and I feel like, yeah, I feel like that's exactly why Satan was after him too, Because of the family aspect. Yeah, you know. And there came a messenger unto Job. He is crazy and said the oxen were plowing and the asses feeding beside them and the Sabians fell upon them and took them away. Yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword. Look how it happens, Secession. It's insane. While he was yet speaking, there came also another and said the fire of God, look at the placement is falling from heaven.
Speaker 2:Putting it on God and has burned up the sheep and the servants and consumed them. And I only am escaped, alone to tell thee While he was yet speaking. Then there came also another and said the Chaldeans made out three bands and fell upon the camels and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword. And I only am escaped and known to tell thee while he was yet speaking, my god. There came also another and said thy sons, here it is, and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house. And behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness and smoked the four corners of the house and it fell upon the young men and they are dead. And I only escaped along to tell thee.
Speaker 2:Then job arose and rent his mantle, shaved his head and fell down upon the ground and worship interesting and worship. And said naked, I came out of my mother's womb and naked, shall I return? And worshiped. Interesting and worshiped. And said naked, I came out of my mother's womb and naked, shall I return thither? The Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away. He sounds so humble, so it sounds. And then, after all this happened, he falls down and worships. It sounds like what he said should really just be, heaven sent Like it should just be just true.
Speaker 2:He said the lord gave and the lord have taken away. Blessed be the name of the lord. And in all this, joe sin not, nor charge god foolishly, but he did charge him foolishly he didn't charge him foolishly, but he charged him. Yeah, he did charge him Because he said he the one did it.
Speaker 1:He said he did it?
Speaker 5:Yeah, he said, but you know you talked about. Look what's happening. Look what. The first thing Satan took out His ability to sacrifice.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 5:First thing he killed was his oxen. He was strategic and without the shedding of blood.
Speaker 4:No, remission of sin.
Speaker 5:Took the oxen first.
Speaker 2:Is this what Joe felt? Like he had Yep man.
Speaker 3:That's crazy, that is insane.
Speaker 2:Sure did First thing he took from me.
Speaker 5:Man, that's crazy. Wow, that is insane, sure did.
Speaker 2:First thing he took from me.
Speaker 4:Jesus of Nazareth, now Pastor. Have you been? You seen that all along, or that just came to you? I've seen that all along.
Speaker 5:That's the first thing I saw he did. First thing he did. Yeah, took the sacrifice. Yep, first thing he did. You got gotta get the hedge out the way. That was a power move I gotta keep you From being able to use the thing that can put the hedge there. Yeah, that was a power move, cause now you can offer a sacrifice and all this can stop, cause you got a reason to now.
Speaker 1:Right oh.
Speaker 3:Wow, that's good Yep.
Speaker 4:And then another thing so when job because I'll take it like job was blaming god, so how job is blaming god for the evil things. So does that mean, like the things that? Uh wait, does this mean, when people blame god for bad and evil things, that we are also sinning against God? So when we say God, um, what's an example like God put you on your back to show you something, is that sinning against God also?
Speaker 5:I wouldn't call it sin and I would just call it ignorance. I would call it a, a declaration of confession or a saying from a place of ignorance, because if you knew, you'd never say that. Right. The Bible says God is light and in him there is no darkness at all. So we can't blame him for any darkness, right and? And death is his enemy and evil is not his friend. So if death is his enemy and evil is not his friend, he can't be using something that he's not a friend to Right.
Speaker 5:And so I think there are some knowings that we have to have about God before we even look at this story, and most people don't have those knowings. And then, even when they read this story first and go and see the knowings, they still refute them, because they read the story first and think that God did it. So yeah, well, yeah, death is not his friend and evil is his enemy, but he used, used he God, he's sovereign, he use it, if you want to like, really, yeah. So I think there's some things we should learn before so that when we do go back and read stories like this, those knowings will mitigate or bring some corrective eyesight when we do read things like this. And so for me.
Speaker 5:That's why it was always important for me to pause on the Old Testament and go to the new first, and then, now that I understand the new and I understand Jesus, because all of the Old Testament is pointing to Jesus. So if I can go and get who it was pointing to first and understand him, when I look back at the pointer, I can understand the pointer. But to go with the pointer first, it's going to skew my view of what. No different I'll be no different than the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Right they, they had all the Torah, right, they had all the law, but when the actual thing that it was pointing to showed up, they still didn't believe him.
Speaker 5:So, like whoa, like y'all should be like, here is everything we've been studying the manifestation yeah, but they refuted him when everything they studied showed up and he said man, if you believe Moses, you should have believed me, because Moses was testifying to me and yet they still couldn't believe it. So I think it's, it's. I think that that story speaks to us, that we got to be careful that we we look at, we have in our dispensation what that was pointing to. So why you won't start with him first and then look back at all of that and now you can better understand it and just people choose, for whatever reason, not to do it like that. So I try to tell the members the right way. Please don't start in the Old Testament first. We need to learn him first. Yeah, learn of him first. They all died not yet receiving the promise. You got the promise, so why won't you start with promise first?
Speaker 3:So do you feel like the church has done a good job of refuting the difference in saying that Job was the one that said that God gives and take away? As opposed to like they make it seem like when they tell it, like it's Jesus or somebody else said it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:One time you said like they will make you think that God is an Indian giver like he didn't give and he didn't take away, right.
Speaker 5:Like Jesus never said that that was Job's testimony Right right, every scripture is truthfully stated, but every script is not a statement of truth, right, and I always excuse me. I always use Genesis. God said don't eat of that tree lest you die. Satan comes and says ye shall not surely die? Now, is that truthfully stated? Yes, because Satan said it. But is that a statement of truth? No, because God said a chapter before you're gonna die if you eat from it.
Speaker 5:What we tend to do is take everything that's said in the word as truth, when it's it could be a statement of truth but not be truth. But we believe that because the Bible said it, it's not only a statement of truth, but that is also truth, right? So I just I think that that's where we, that's where it kind of gets conflated, and we we're not clear on the reading of it. You know, and so you know, I have some, I have some some. What's the word I'm looking for? I have some beg to differs concerning some things I read in the scripture, beg to differs concerning some things I read in the scripture. However, if those things don't, if they don't contend with whether or not we receive eternal life, then they're just things that we contend with, we, we, we can debate and argue but at the end of the day they have no foundation in Jesus Christ. Like I don't.
Speaker 5:Like I remember one time I was on this, uh, on this live on Tik TOK, and the girl you know just, I could tell this girl on this live on tiktok and the girl, you know just, I could tell this girl don't believe in God, because she was telling he could do all type of stuff. And what about this serpent and this apple and stuff? So you know, I said well, first of all, it wasn't an apple, and I say, second of all, it wasn't a snake talking. Because she said I say, second of all, it wasn't a snake talking, and I could tell for the first time she got reacquired because no one had ever refuted that and before then I was listening to her. She was cussing and going off, but when I said that she was quiet the rest of the thing, and I almost wanted to ask questions, she wanted to know more, but I had to get off, but no one challenged her with that and I asked I said, well, show me another place in the Bible where Satan is talking like a snake, because if he was a snake, then shouldn't it be a snake throughout all the rest of. But you know, when we look at, was that a snake that entered Job? Nope, you know. And so when you ask contending questions like that, it made people think all of a sudden and maybe that was, maybe that was meta, maybe that was a metaphor and maybe it was a given, an example of how he works, based on how a serpent does, and not so much as Eve talking to talking to a snake.
Speaker 5:Cause, when we look at Job, which is the oldest book written and found in the Bible, it said the sons of God and Satan came also. It didn't say a serpent came also. In addition, he was. He was also called a dragon and a serpent in heaven. Was he a dragon and a serpent? He was a dragon and a serpent before he fell to the earth, Because that's what Revelation identifies him as. So when did he become a serpent? Because we curse him in the garden, but he was called a serpent in revelations and a dragon. So and so are these are these, are these titles that are given to the nature of him and not the personage of him, because he's an angel. That's what. That's what he is. He's an angel. God never moved him from his original creation. He is still an angel. He's just fallen right, and fallen angels are demons.
Speaker 5:Yeah right, so you know okay, now that you said that he's like his personality right absolutely absolutely is moral character absolutely his moral character, the, the moral character of a fallen angel, is demonic, is serpent, like that's. That's really what that's telling us, but we want to make it an animal. Yeah, so bad and yeah, so bad, I mean, and we gonna fight that she was talking to a snake.
Speaker 4:Well, if hollywood has showed it to you enough, you, you see yeah, you you and also like trees, always say the finite mind cannot handle a lot of things of god, so like we're trying to connect some type of way what satan is, how he looks and how he came about.
Speaker 5:So I call that we try to bring god down to our level of understanding, rather than escaping our level of understanding and coming up coming up to his web and Holy Spirit can do that if we let him, but we won't.
Speaker 5:We. When Adam and Eve ate from that tree, that word knowledge is the word diath, and that word diath means to gain understanding from senses. Man was always supposed to discern, not learn. Adam fell down of needing to learn. So even when we read the word, if we're not careful we will still try to bring the word down. So we can comprehend it, when actually what we should pray and ask God that, when we read, bring us up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is that the mounting on wings?
Speaker 5:Oh, come on, I like that, I like that. Yeah, okay, I can see that.
Speaker 2:Okay, can we go back to when you said that Satan is an angel? That made me think about the scripture that says to be aware Because you entertain angels, not serpents, that made me think about the scripture that says to be aware you know, because you entertain angels, not serpents. And not necessarily Is that a good angel. Yeah, you know, is it a good angel or a fallen one, right, yeah.
Speaker 5:Right, cause we all run from snakes. We run from snakes. If that was, we would never have to worry about falling the same we would Right.
Speaker 2:And if would never have to worry about falling to save him, and if he was ugly and scary, we wouldn't. We wouldn't do that either. Wow, we wouldn't roll up on him you're so right, you're so right. That's what one of my um, my best friend, my mom, used to say that uh--huh, tip me as you said, you're so right. No, but Job's story.
Speaker 5:Job's story, I think, is one that the entire body of Christ needs. We need to go back over and we don't need to fear making pivots and corrections where we have erred concerning its understanding. The problem with that is there has been too much money made off books, too many teachings that have embedded certain dispositions in the hearts and minds of people to just go back and say you know what?
Speaker 2:We missed it and be done with it. And let's be honest, Fear is. People use fear as power too, Yep and they use it to have people in their mind and not free.
Speaker 5:Right it to, to have people in mind, right and not free, right, right. And we don't want to make job look bad and we don't want to make, but it's okay. What I say about job is he was sincere in heart, but you could be sincere and hard and wrong in action, yeah, and and because of that, he experienced some unintended consequences, and the unintended consequence was what you wanted to live die because you did it the wrong way it's like caring for a plant to me.
Speaker 2:Like you know, you can have plants and you might water them too much, you might not water them enough, but your desire is for the plant to live and to grow and to thrive right, you ain't mean to drown it in all that water, you ain't mean to drown it. You ain't mean to burn it, because some plants don't need a lot of sun.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:Or it'll burn them up Sure will. That's insane, but I think that's a sad state of affairs, that people would rather let misteachingsive Rather than correct them Based off of what's been said or done or monetary gain, like we would figure that the, the soul would be More important than anything. You know that people Would have the Right knowledge.
Speaker 2:Especially if you're a believer, right, right, absolutely. I agree with that.
Speaker 5:I wanted to go and just kind of read you all something real quick, because here's what a lot of people don't say about Job that he had pride she said that, so in.
Speaker 5:Job 42 it says then Job replied to the Lord I know that you can do anything and no one can stop you. You asked who is this that questions my wisdom? Uh, with such ignorance, it is I, and I was talking about things. I knew nothing about things. Far too wonderful for me. One one translation says I've opened my mouth too much, too much job had pride, pride will always get you in trouble.
Speaker 4:That was my last question. Pride goes before the fall.
Speaker 5:It does it goes before the fall, doesn't?
Speaker 2:it man.
Speaker 4:And I also felt like Job, where I wonder if he had Idol worship, the way he was sacrificing for his children Just in case they sinned. Just trying to have everything so aligned, yeah.
Speaker 5:I wouldn't. I wouldn't call it idol worship. I think that he was trying to perfect with sacrifice what he had perfected in himself. Right, because he was a perfect man. He eschewed evil, he knew about sacrifice and I just think that he was at his very best, trying to keep his kids alive the best way. He knew how Right and the the. The problem was he. He did that, but he did not work with the fear that was in his heart.
Speaker 1:And I don't.
Speaker 5:I think that that's probably why it wasn't hard for him to say what he did say, because he saw it happening all the time.
Speaker 2:Mm.
Speaker 5:The Lord give, the Lord take away.
Speaker 2:Thing that I fear the time.
Speaker 5:The lord give, the lord take away thing that I fear the most blessed be the name of the lord.
Speaker 2:I would not charge him foolishly.
Speaker 5:If you go to I think it's in chapter two he said the thing I feared the most has come upon me. So, even though you're doing all this sacrifice, you were still seeing this gonna happen. Like what's the use of sacrificing, though?
Speaker 5:If you still see that it's going to happen. So it goes back to what you and I said that his actions never aligned right. We can always find a person's faith by looking at their actions, at their actions Right. And we know he didn't have any faith because he was sacrificing for something that had not happened yet. Continually no different than me checking my children out Saying, yeah, it's not going to happen to them, let me see, because I'm looking. Well, I'm still looking. Of course it's going to happen, because I'm in search for it.
Speaker 2:And you're going to find what you're looking for. Every time. You know what that made me think about, pastor? No, like this is real. It made me think about the story of the prodigal son, about the father looking for him.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he was looking for him, so he was in continuous expectation.
Speaker 4:His faith that he was going to come home, yep.
Speaker 5:So it was not only his awakening. You're saying it's the father's faith that brought him back. I can eat that. I can eat that.
Speaker 4:It's truth for that.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:That made me think about that, yeah that's good. That's good, that's insane. I got to change my words too. It's not insane, it's delicious.
Speaker 3:But that faith, that faith component, like throughout the Bible, oh yeah, yeah it's important.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it really is the principle thing, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah the principle thing, and that makes me think about, okay, you know this song With the scripture it's impossible to please God Without faith. And so of course, we started the jumpy key song, for without faith is impossible. So, and when I was young I still thought that that was a, a work component, and also in the pleasing, god was like I won't please him, I won't make him happy if I'm not working. You know.
Speaker 1:In faith.
Speaker 2:Which really we can't. He can't do nothing for us when we're not in faith, so that's not pleasing to him, cause he can't help us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we not in faith what he said. Faith is the vehicle that brings God into life. Absolutely.
Speaker 5:Yeah, absolutely yeah, wow yeah.
Speaker 2:Which also makes me think About the scripture I love when you showed us this. It takes me back to Sovereign Right. We heard that we were growing up and it was definitely Produced, I mean presented to us About God being able to do Whatever he wanted to do when he wanted to do it.
Speaker 2:We even danced to the song. Remember when we came to the Cotillion oh yeah, the year I was in it, anthony and I, yeah, danced to that song, sovereign, by Darryl Cole. Mmhmm, first thing Is that he can do Whatever he wants to Whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 2:And say who am I to question His wisdom? And we really thinking that God, killing people off Is wisdom, yeah, yeah. Now, when he came to Give us life, yeah, and all of us, not just who we feel like Is worthy of Mm-hmm. But it takes me back to them saying that God can do what he want to do, which put me out of faith. Wow, it put me out of faith, because why do I need faith If he can do it?
Speaker 5:If he wants to, yeah, come on, come on If he can do it. If he wants, yeah, come on, come on if he. If I'm pleasing you, still just gonna do whatever you right, whatever you want to do so why would I work?
Speaker 2:for why would I? And still I'm still coming out of a thing of working, still inside thinking that I have to be the certain person for him to be pleased with me, yeah and for the workout for me in a good way.
Speaker 3:That's good, and that come with wrong thoughts, like when I hear that statement God can do Whatever he want to do when he want to do it, can he do it? Yes, he can.
Speaker 1:Will he do it?
Speaker 3:No, he won't. Because, he subjected himself To his own work. People, they just don't, they don't put that on the back end they just leave it, as God can do what he want to do when he want to do it In essence. Do we have the power to? Yes? Yes, he do, but will he do it Right? No, because he subjected himself to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that goes back to him People saying that God's in control of everything and when you Like, I'm telling you again. I'm going to say this again Because I just want to Drive this one home. I found my spiritual sanity at right away. Wow, I definitely used to feel like if he's in control, he's driving reckless yeah.
Speaker 5:And we all going to die? I thought the same. He's going to drive us clean off a cliff? Yeah, and we're going to perish. I thought the same thing.
Speaker 2:And when you broke that thing down to us about what he has control of and we had to give him control of and showed it to us about what he has control of and we have to give him control of. And showed it to us, and showed it to us. I thought I'm telling you. I was like, why do I need to give this man my life when he going to drive us off a cliff anyway?
Speaker 5:If you want to bless you, he'll do it, if not, if you don't have it, evidently God didn't want you to have it.
Speaker 2:He didn't want you to have it. And then they used the scripture about things being predestinated. I had issues with that scripture. It was just so much and when I have the testimony of thanking God that I didn't perish in those days, right right when I was outside, just out of Misteaching and misunderstanding and Not feeling like I could ask anybody, because you'd be told Not to ask Right. Ain't a word clear to say Ask, ask. That's why we got to know His nature, about what he said.
Speaker 5:Right. A petition is a form of asking. A petition is asking. Help us, lord Help us.
Speaker 2:Holy Ghost Child. I had an issue with it all Because it just didn't make sense to me and then Especially with us. The things supposed to be Predestined Like your story is already written and in essence it is, if you follow the plan, right. But that part is not. It's not made clear and it's a lot of incomplete statements. I would be like.
Speaker 3:It leave people lost Right. It causes you to wonder.
Speaker 2:Exactly I would be like Well, what's with free will? Why do you tell us we have free will and why are you telling us To choose when you've already Chosen for?
Speaker 5:us Right.
Speaker 2:So baby I was, it was just.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no, you had good questions, you just didn't have a place of answer.
Speaker 2:Just didn't have a place of answer. Yeah, that's the one problem and it wasn't satisfying to me to say you don't question God. I know.
Speaker 4:Ask why.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Why serve a God? You can't ask that.
Speaker 2:I can't ask.
Speaker 4:You can't understand.
Speaker 3:And he said Get knowledge, get knowledge and then you heard Pastor B say All of the creator, but then he can tell you about it. So if I want to know About myself, who am I supposed to ask Other than the creator? Right?
Speaker 5:Now don't, you can't question him though.
Speaker 2:No, he just lost. He destined for confusion, yeah.
Speaker 5:Figured out on your own Open chain Falling down now.
Speaker 2:Right Now he's going to put you on your back. Will I survive? Rebellion, right Deception? Jesus, I really do appreciate you.
Speaker 5:Thank you.
Speaker 2:Pops for coming out and taking time. I know you're very busy, but he always finds time for his children, yeah, especially when it comes to everything I can't even just say when it comes to presenting truth of God's word. He's a very present spiritual daddy.
Speaker 5:Thank you.
Speaker 2:He's not an absent father.
Speaker 5:Praise God, I love y'all. Y'all keep me young. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2:You keep us young and growing in the spirit at the same time. You keep us young and growing in the spirit at the same time. But, um, I've just seen, um, so many I'm able to just connect dots that I hadn't connected before, I had been able to connect and uh, and I would always wonder why, like again, especially being around creatives, I would always get the people who be worshiping stars and stuff and they would just Be telling me this stuff and, you know, want to book against God and I be like Baby. I feel so sorry for you. Yeah, and I was like Lord. Why can't I just Find a group of believers Everywhere I go? They gotta be insane.
Speaker 3:And it's so interwoven In our society, like even when you Meet people, they'll be like what's your sign? I'm like man. My birthday in December.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I don't even say that.
Speaker 3:I know what my sign is but I don't subscribe to it. That has nothing to do With who I am.
Speaker 5:You know what I tell them? I tell them that ain't high enough.
Speaker 4:It ain't. It ain't high enough, yeah.
Speaker 5:Cause you reaching low If you reaching for a sign.
Speaker 2:You reaching low that ain't. Because, if we're honest, if we're going to go by what the signs say, per se everybody do all those things Really. They know it's no different. Right, it depends. Everybody is moody.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah. If you don't get yourself together, everybody don't want to talk sometimes, I think you need to do a podcast on that, though, invite me back if you will, because listen, there is a bit of truth to signs.
Speaker 2:It is a bit of truth to signs.
Speaker 5:It is a bit of truth If you accept them. If you accept them Because Satan said he would exalt his throne above the stars of God. So the way he exalted his throne above the stars of God is to try to write them into stars, and if you agree with it, then you now become susceptible to his kingdom rule.
Speaker 3:But doesn't science in some ways testify of God anyway?
Speaker 5:Yeah, the stars, the constellations testify of him, not us Of him testify of God, anyway. Yeah, the stars, the constellations testify of Him, not us. But Him exalting His throne above the stars of God was talking about us. So he wants to be higher, because we're second in command. He can't get God, so he got to get the thing that's made like Him, and so the way. He does it is try to put something between us and Him. The only thing you can put between us and Him is astrology. Him is astrology.
Speaker 2:It was astrology because, in comparison to creation, we're the only thing that's similarly equal to a star right and still you know, like still, even then, you know, I don't know, and I have to stop my mind sometimes and be like sleep Watch cartoons, I feel so happy you said that.
Speaker 5:That's not a good happy, but I'm so glad I had to get up sometime and plead the blood over my mind. Let me go to sleep, I'd say Lord Jesus, please.
Speaker 2:Sweet sleep.
Speaker 5:Yeah, sweet sleep.
Speaker 2:I had to call that thing in sometime.
Speaker 5:Do you go straight to bed or do you turn off the TV and lay down?
Speaker 2:Sometimes I go straight to bed. Or do you turn off the tv and lay down? Uh, uh, sometimes I go straight to bed if I'm just very, very tired. But, um, usually I turn on the tv and it's got to be something comical, or it has to be like a cartoon, like a cartoon that I trust right, like phoenix and fur, or something like that oh yeah where there's no subliminals and no but I'll tell you what the problem is, though.
Speaker 5:You don't detach your mind from a realm, so you take the realm with you in your sleep. So you probably need to listen, like, to some soaking music or something like that, because you're going to bed Staying detached to a realm, so that realm has to follow you Into your sleep.
Speaker 4:With sleeping with scripture on help.
Speaker 5:You can sleep with scripture on if you want to. It's going to plug you into the spirit realm. But when we watch TV and stuff creatives, when they watch TV and stuff like that and go to sleep, you're not detached. You're not detached, they're taking with you.
Speaker 2:That's so good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is I need to stop watching TV after a certain time, if I know I'm going to lay down.
Speaker 5:You better.
Speaker 3:I need to stop watching TV at a certain time to kind of wind down.
Speaker 2:I'll say this too my TV is designed to go off after a certain time, but I always felt like this okay, I used to try to go to sleep, to scripture, but I'm just too nosy. So, I'll just be up listening and getting up, and maybe I should just, you know, go and get on up, and then you know the sweet single that could be your cool of the day maybe you gotta figure out what it is to some people.
Speaker 5:It's nothing at all to some people. They just need to just lay there and just kind of you know detach from things.
Speaker 2:But I'm going to do that. I'm going to do the soaking music.
Speaker 5:I like to do soaking music when I really want to get some sleep.
Speaker 3:I do soaking music.
Speaker 4:I'm going to do that.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:The terrain Mm-hmm.
Speaker 5:The terrain.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm going to do that. You got me watching the Crown on Netflix.
Speaker 5:Y'all in them Pastor M movies.
Speaker 4:Yes. Pastor M, we'll have all y'all hooked on that and when I tell you in my head I be talking like the queen y'all Now.
Speaker 2:you know I love a good British accent.
Speaker 5:She crazy about that type of stuff. I don't care nothing about it.
Speaker 2:Because it's intricately woven.
Speaker 5:It is. It's very intricately woven. You can see all the signs and stuff, but I don't be wanting to watch it.
Speaker 2:I just don't be wanting to watch that. I tried to get into Bridgerton one time, but it just it was too much going on. And it just didn't catch my attention either, and that's probably why Praise God.
Speaker 5:I don't even know what y'all talking about. That's the truth. I don't even know what y'all talking about?
Speaker 2:Don't we bless God?
Speaker 3:that you don't.
Speaker 2:He has no idea Bless the name of the Lord. Honestly don't. But no, I definitely want to bring you back in on astrology.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, I think we need to talk about that.
Speaker 2:We do, yeah, and aside of me, like I said, I feel like I do once I start growing up, I do you know in christ or whatever. I feel like I would always um interact with those type of people because questions are they, questions be real, and you have to like kill off that stuff with with real truth and I even believe, like like you were talking about the girl once, once, that that light of truth comes in. They be like, oh, everything that I just believed is silly or it's not true, because you know those people always be on this quest for truth.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:When they realize it's not true. I believe that's when they give their life to Christ, and I do definitely know that those type of people I feel like they have such influence and that's why Satan fights them with that too and a lot of pride and everything. But people have real lives, real things happening to themselves, and people's lives are not peachy and serene, right, and you have real questions.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying, yeah, and you really want to know, like what I'm saying, yeah, and you, you really want to know, like, if you're not one of those people, that who feels and handle God On their life In spite of everything, you really want to know when he is and why did he allow this and you know what happened and what's going on, or whatever. Because, at the end of the day, because there is a God spotting everybody, you're going to feel it with something. Oh, absolutely, but you, certain people, reserve that for what they feel like is God, even if they be saying they say Right is God.
Speaker 2:Not even a God. They like to call themselves God completely now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But the Spirit's searching. You're searching for the thing because the people who created the worship anyway yep, we just got substitutes, but my, you know my heart always go out to those people who I feel, like you know all they need is just the truth, and that's why I just be so thankful that I did grow up in church, that, um, I didn't let that stuff consume me because I still knew enough not to fully let his hand go. But I can see how you can easily be consumed, because nature itself, if you understand the beauty of it, is very fascinating and you can easily make an idol out of it. Easy, quick, yeah. But the thing is, the beauty thing is you don't even have to make an idol out of those things. You could just be in a relationship with the one who did those things and created them.
Speaker 2:That's right. That's the highest form. Let's go higher, sir.
Speaker 5:I said let's go higher.
Speaker 2:Let's go higher for real. Let's go higher for real. But I'm excited about that episode already.
Speaker 5:We'll get into it. Let me know I'm excited about that episode already.
Speaker 2:We'll get into it. Let me know I'm ready, but I hope you guys have enjoyed this episode tonight today, whatever time you're listening, and I will be posting the scriptures that I forgot to mention at the very top. But praise God anyhow. Glory to God. But thank you again, pops, for coming out. Thank you, daughter, I appreciate y'all, love y'all For coming out, but thank you again Pops for coming out.
Speaker 5:Thank you, daughter, I appreciate y'all. My brother and my sister Love y'all.
Speaker 2:For coming out and I put them on the mic and they didn't even know. Praise God, my heart's not burned. Well, we will see you guys next time, and we just thank God that solution has been brought, that the truth of his nature and his word has been presented. Do with it what you will, but I hope you apply it to your life, to your mind, be healed. Receive the lord in jesus name. We'll catch you guys next time. Peace you, you.