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Area P31
What if “helper” never meant lesser—but capable, called, and essential? We open Proverbs 31 and discover a portrait that goes beyond checklists. Starting with a full reading, we ground the conversation in the fear of the Lord as the root that gives life to wisdom, work, and enduring peace. From there, we follow the text into enterprise and empathy: buying fields, planting vineyards, blessing the poor, and building a home where trust thrives and voices stay kind. Virtue begins to look less like performance and more like a practiced posture—a way of seeing God, ourselves, and our people.
We also travel back to Genesis 2:18 in the Amplified: “a helper—one who balances him, a counterpart suitable and complementary.” Suitable as capable reframes everything. The Proverbs 31 woman does not hustle for worth; she moves from design. Submission turns from a tug-of-war into shared accountability and mutual honor. We talk frankly about speech—when silence cools the room, when to circle back, and how the “law of kindness” governs hard talks without watering down truth. The journey of becoming one is a process, not a moment. Praise at the gates isn’t the aim; it’s the echo of purpose lived with order and courage.
You’ll hear practical insights on aligning gifts with calling, finding peace in your purpose, and balancing career and home without losing either. Whether you’re a wife, hope to be, or simply hungry to live with integrity and impact, this conversation invites you to recover a bigger, braver vision. If it resonates, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a review—what part challenged you most?
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SPEAKER_04:Thank you so much for having me. I mean, I feel yes, I am honored to sit here to be in your presence on this evening. I really am. Sincerely. So thank you, uh, you know, of all the people you could have chosen uh for this particular episode. You chose me, and so I take that um as an honor. It's a privilege.
SPEAKER_03:There was no other. There was no other. I feel honored as well. Uh the two of you came to my mind, and then I um when we were at the women's conference a few weeks ago, and I saw the two of y'all coming in together, I said, yeah, yeah. That's it. That's it. There it is. And tonight, this is the first time, y'all. I had pops on here several times, but tonight we got Mama Misha in the building. Where is the drum roll? Where is it? It's on one of the pads over there. So where is it? I'm so excited. I was so nervous, y'all, too. Uh I don't know, you know. It just be your spiritual parents, you know, you be in your spiritual siblings that be mighty in the Lord. You just be like, ooh, but I gotta do it. Oh my God. I'm so glad that you said yes. And she knows I gotta mess with her because I've been messing with her for a long time. But I'm so proud of how she's just rising up in the Lord, and I'm just able to see it. Uh, I told her she tried to make my eyes water a couple of weeks ago when she taught at church. I just felt so excited. I was like, oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:I can always count on a nice little sweet little text from her. Every time I do something, I step out of my box. I'm gonna get a little nice little text, a little cheering on. But I appreciate it so much. I'm honored to be here.
SPEAKER_03:I really be inspired, you know. Let me be inspired, baby. Don't tell nobody.
SPEAKER_02:Don't tell nobody. It's a secret.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02:But you're my favorite. Should we whisper? Oh my God.
SPEAKER_03:You really are. You trying to make my eyes water for real. I had a real kid right here.
SPEAKER_02:If I could say anything about you, you are cool, calm, collective, but you're consistent. Oh my god. And I appreciate that about you. Oh my god. You don't you don't change. You don't change a good person. I mean, you're much deserving though.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, absolutely. It's right here. I'm fighting the tears. Did y'all hear the change of my voice a little bit? But I truth. And I receive that because I know you won't just you just say anything like that. But uh, I tell people all the time, I'm so uh amazed that knowing uh Mama Mees, you and Pops for a long time since I was a little kid. And she used to wash my hair. Yeah. And I found it so fascinating, right? Wow. That they are now my shampoo girl. But she was she was much more, she was always much more than that. She was always different to me. Uh when I would see you with, you know, Darlene and JD's. I always felt like you were different. I did, but you know, when you're young, you don't know how to express that necessarily. But I did always feel that way. Oh wow. Um glory is still my jam. I I torture my children. That's torture is the wrong word, but they know.
SPEAKER_02:I officially call that a classic movie. It is a classic.
SPEAKER_03:And they know it. We sing glory all the time. I play it all the time for them. That's that's my jam. But um, I'm just so excited. I feel like this is gonna be uh an amazing point for women of tonight, especially me. I will say that I had to be selfish and get this one for me. If it was, you know, for nobody. It was for me, so I didn't go back and listen to it over and over again and eat off of it. But uh the last episode I did was with my uncles, uh, and they did the episode entitled Uh The Bridegroom, the blueprint, the bridegroom blueprint. So I had to come with the other side but with Area P31 for the women. And they did an amazing job, you know, they're older gentlemen, so they were just straight, straightforward, straight to the cut. But as I think most men do anyway, but uh I really enjoyed them and just hearing their heart towards their wives and towards God first, but towards their wives was very refreshing. And it always is an example of you know what we should be looking for, what we you know what we should accept and expect in Christ, especially being the daughters of Abraham. Absolutely. So I feel like we are entitled to the best and we should have the best and we should expect the best. So uh tonight, tonight, and we're going to, I said we would read, but I think I'm gonna leave that up to the people to read on their own. Uh or do y'all think we should read? We always read. So we should read. Let's let's read. Where did I put my Bible? This isn't my Bible, but I'm gonna use this one. This is the one that was here at the school. We're gonna go to Proverbs 31. And we will start at the 10th verse. This is a new King James version. Uh, King James is my favorite. I think it always will be. But you know what? Amplified Classic is trying to sneak on in there a little bit. I had to watch myself. I had to watch myself a little bit. I said, wait a minute now. Yeah, Amplify breaks it all over the way. It does. It does. It does. It's a meaty, it's like a it's like a hoagie to me, like a deep sandwich, you know. It's like a real deep sandwich that just make you full. But um, you know, KJV forever. A little bit. We're gonna start at 10, Proverbs 31st chapter in the 10th verse. Who can find a virtuous wife? This is a heavy question to me. Right, you know, right off the rib. Like it gives a sense of almost, I won't say scavenger hunt, because that kind of gives a feel of like a like a game. But this is real life, you know what I'm saying? But I feel like that was a heavy question. Who can find a virtuous wife for her worth is far above rubies? The heart of her husband safely trusts her, so he will have no lack of gain. She does him good and not evil all the days of her life. She seeks wool and flask and willingly works with her hands. She is like the merchant ships. She brings her food from afar. She also rises while it is yet night, and provides food for her household and a portion of her maidservants. She considers a field and buys it. I can't wait, girl. Cause I be want to buy up houses. I be seeing them. Especially them big ones, the big old ones that you know got all the space in there. Mm-hmm. How I renovate those things, sell them, or put some people in there that need to be in there.
SPEAKER_02:Come on.
SPEAKER_03:But I'm I'm ready to do that right there. 16 talk to me real good. From her profits, she plants a vineyard. She girds herself with strength and strengthens her arms. She perceives that her merchandise is good. And her lamp does not get out of go out at out by night. She stretches out her hands to the distaff, and her hands holds the spindle. She extends her hands to the poor. Yes, she reaches out her hands to the needy. She is not afraid of snow for her household, for all her household is clothed with scarlet. Scarlet is a delicious, a delicious color. She makes tapestry for herself. Her clothing is fine linen and purple. Her husband is known in the gates, and when he seeks amongst the elders of the land, she makes linen garments and sells them, and supplies sashes for the merchants. Strength and honor are her clothing. She shall rejoice in her time to come. She opens her mouth with what is done. And in all that getting understanding. She watches over the ways of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness. Her children rise up and call her blessed. Her husband also, and he praises her. Many daughters have done well, but you exceed them all. I bet that's beautiful to hear. Charm is deceitful and beauty is passing. But a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised. Give her of the fruit of her hands, and let her own works praise her in the gates. Absolutely delicious. It's a beautiful read. It is. It's a beautiful read. Even just if we have to say in a secular way or poetic way, it's just a beautiful, delicious read. But of course, we know this is the word of God. So it's much more weighted than that. Right. It's much more delicious than that. Um the the questions I see, I said, Lord, I got so many questions. Let me compact them down. Let me compact them down. The first one I had was what's your Holy Ghost takeaway from P31?
SPEAKER_01:You got that one, that is.
SPEAKER_04:Let me tell you, in the car, I was like, when she asked this, I'm just gonna go ahead and pitch it. I'm gonna go ahead and put it on. Now it is loaded.
SPEAKER_02:It is loaded. It's broadly. It is actually, I would have to go back through every single script. I'm not trying to take no text or preaching every point. Come on. Seriously. No, but as you were reading, and I'm I'm gonna answer your question, but as you were reading, it was the last scripture that I feel is giving the answer. And going back to the first, the first verse, um come on. When I read this for the first time or in the past, um I I get a little offended by verse 10 because it's like who can find like there's not one idea.
SPEAKER_01:You gotta look, you gotta say, right, right, okay, you know, like you're doubting that it is.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess. And then it starts to tell you you or or list what a virtual virtuous wife is. But in um verse 31, it says, not 31, it's 30. I'm sorry. It says, but a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised. And I feel like that's the answer of who the virtuous woman is. Because the one who fears him, she's gonna exhibit everything that was listed above. And because of that, she'll be praised.
SPEAKER_04:So you you kind of in that, when you tie that back in, you kind of end the search, so to speak, for it, because then she she stands out even amongst the crowd. Like there is there's hardly a search, you know. If you're that woman. It literally is a search if you fear God. Yeah, that's it. That's real good.
SPEAKER_03:And you know what? It made me think about um, I think about all the women in the Bible, and I never forget I say this all the time. Uh, from the one of the amazed conferences where uh Sarah Connor came and she was like, Um, all the women in the Bible are bold, whether they're doing right or whether they're doing wrong.
SPEAKER_04:Wow, that's good.
SPEAKER_03:And she was absolutely right. You know, I went on the search. I was like, I gotta find all the women. Let me see what they're doing. And they were very bold in what they were doing. Um, and that would that would make sense that we don't really have to search, they're right there. So it made me think about for sure, Esther and Ruth and how they stood out just doing, just doing what they would they was supposed to be doing. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah fearing the Lord, fearing the Lord.
SPEAKER_03:That's it. Following instruction.
SPEAKER_02:It's true. It's so true. So I, you know, well, I think I answered the question. Yeah, I I believe that those I believe that those attributes, you're gonna see those attributes while serving God. Absolutely. While you're um serving in the fear of the Lord, that those attributes will will present themselves or develop over time. That's it right there. Yeah. I don't, you know, I don't think I've arrived all the way, but I see the progress. I remember time I could read this and I'm like, yeah, yeah. That ain't me. Who is she? Where is she, you know? Because it's looking power, but she is real. But now I can see myself in some of these scriptures. So you know, as we continue to fear the Lord and walk in his ways, then I think it'll manifest. And I don't think it's far-fetched.
SPEAKER_03:That's delicious what you said though. Um, you are still developing those characters because some people can find this intimidating, and and we'll get to that in a minute. Um, but that that was very delicious. That's that's um what's the word I'm looking for? I'm linked to hear you even say that. But I mean it makes sense. I don't think we ever will just arrive 100% to everything because we always on that journey.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And uh I feel like, you know, the 100% is in the glorified body. But not that we shouldn't strive to be better and to do, and you know, and to be what we're supposed to be, especially in Christ. And then we are we are examples. People are always watching. Always. I I watched her for a long time. I watched you for a long time. I remember seeing you my first time, uh, you were in uniform, and then I saw you again, and you and you had on the little jersey. I said, Oh, okay, then. Okay, first of all. Okay, okay. That's what I said. I said, I said, okay, then. But, you know, I'm always watching. Um, I'm a person who is observing of things, especially things that catch my attention as it pertains to the word of God. Especially people who I feel like are examples to me and you know, to everybody. Whether they want to, you know, admit that or not, or whether they even realize it or not.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Uh, and then you kind of answer this one also. Were you always a P31 woman? And what changes did you make and how?
SPEAKER_02:Honey, I've been calling those things that be not as though they were for years. I'm serious. My tag, I don't know if you know this. I don't know if you're not. Yeah, my tag says P31. Yeah. I actually got it from I can't remember the rapper's name, but we had her for uh Uno many, many years ago. And um, she had a song called P31. And so that inspired me.
SPEAKER_03:It's Kaylee Williams, Kalia Williams. Kaleia, yeah. That's her name. Yeah. She can remember that. Yeah, I used to partner with uh with Jeremy.
SPEAKER_02:And so I um I put it on my tag. Yeah. I didn't notice that. And then, you know, it's a constant reminder. If I don't want to be the P31 woman, right. It's out there now, right? It's out there. It's out there. It's up there, Steve. So I have to become that that I'm displaying on my car. But um, no, I haven't always been. I don't think that I've reached uh the full P31 woman. Um, but I'm working towards that. As I, you know, as I serve God, he shows me, he removes layers of me that may prevent me from being P311 woman and um gives me wisdom on what I need to do.
SPEAKER_04:He'll do it. I'm so glad that's a good idea. I'm so glad you said that because there's there's wisdom even in the strive to become the P31. And and knowing that, like, like you said earlier, like you haven't quite arrived at that. I think it's foolish to think you've arrived at you.
SPEAKER_03:You know, foolish.
SPEAKER_04:So I mean, that's a long list. It is a long list, you know. It's a meaty. Yeah. It's very each part of the list of the the scripture can be expounded upon to great lengths.
SPEAKER_02:So like you said, no, we're we can break each verse. We can.
SPEAKER_03:Absolutely. So yeah. I was looking at um, and her lamp does not go out at at night, out by night. Probably gonna turn it off. I was gonna say, you're gonna turn the lamp out. I gotta go to sleep. I gotta go to sleep. I'm gonna turn it off. I gotta get some red.
SPEAKER_02:When I read that, I said it explains why I. Oh, you a night owl. Yeah. Because that's when my wheels start to turn.
SPEAKER_03:But that makes sense. It makes sense. Now I used to be a night owl. I I will say that I'm more of a night owl than a morning person. Uh I always, in the morning time, you know, I be thankful or whatever. I wake up, I say, thank you, Ava, waking me up. And then I wrestle. I air wrestle a little bit because I'm not a morning person. And I don't want to get up. I just want to get up when I when I get ready. That's inviting the end. Yeah, yeah. Like Trey and Boys in the middle. I was just gonna say, you know how Cooper came in? He was just wrong, just swinging. Oh my god. Sick of this. Yeah, I'm gonna see that girl. I said, I wanna do she back up a little bit. Oh my gosh. What she was thinking. But yeah, I I am not a uh morning person. Lord help me. Help me, Holy Ghost. Help her, Lord. He will. Absolutely. And I have to, so I just do it anyway. But but uh the list, like you say, is is very extensive. But I do think that we have to look at the list and be like, these are just things that I can do. That I can, like you say, strive to do and grow to do rather than I hate doing that, or I don't want to do that. Yeah, for sure. I do know, and another one, what was another one? She opens her mouth with wisdom, you know, her tongue is the law of kindness. And then I just put my finger on that verse right there. And her tongue is the law of kindness. I did go through I went through a period where I was very mean with my uh with my tongue, and I just didn't care. But it it did come from um what what what did the kids say now? It's not trauma. Before we were saying trauma, what was it? A defense mechanism.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, you're being they overuse the word trigger.
SPEAKER_03:They do, you know, and I can't stand it. Terms are not my favorite. Yeah. Because, you know, misuse and bandwagon, but it was a defense mechanism, and I was ruthless. I was ruthless with my tongue. And you know, every now and then it tried to show up, and he's still there. Uh like what's what's what policies are throwing in his side? But I gotta work on that. And I feel like, you know, I have worked. I I've come a long way. But when I be looking at scenarios, what do people say, your mama told you was that phone, maybe I just need to get out the phone sometimes. And I look at the scenarios and I be like, I would have said this, or I would have said that. And I I just it's just some things that I I gotta, you know, work on and getting over on that.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's progress in itself. You said what you would have said, yeah, but you haven't, and you didn't say it. So that's progress.
SPEAKER_03:I did let it filter through Holy Spirit because he wouldn't be pleased, and I don't want to grieve him. Right.
SPEAKER_02:See, progress. Yeah. I think um, you know, any single woman that is desiring a mate, this can be used as like the barometer, and just kind of going through each verse. For example, the one that you used about um what was that, 26? She opened her mouth with wisdom, okay? Just like you assessed, okay, there was a time when I opened my mouth, it wasn't with wisdom, it was reckless. And it says in her tongue is the law of kindness. So it's not just kindness, it is the foundation of kindness. Like, that's good. This is this is the the establishment of kindness, so so to speak. So, you know, is my tongue doing that? Is it you know, if I'm if you know, if if he makes me mad, I'm gonna let him have it. You know, not gonna talk to him for a week, you know, or what have you.
SPEAKER_03:Just the silence. I went from me and ruthless to just quiet, just silence and just saying nothing. Because I did feel like that was better.
SPEAKER_04:So, you know, so for a moment, that is probably best. But I think especially in in marriage and relationship, you have to come back around. You gotta say something. Because even as that goes, oh, absolutely, it it absolutely is very loud because you're not speaking, but the enemy is, he never stops. And so if you're not speaking, the both of you, you you're formulating these things in your head, you're playing out the entire conversation with just one person, you know what I mean? So it is important to take those pauses and know when to be quiet. So there's wisdom in that, but then also know when to circle back around. So so that you can now say the right things.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, I can say the right thing.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03:So because I don't want um Satan's voice to be louder than God's voice and then our voice to each other. Yeah. So you know.
SPEAKER_04:You know. Yeah, I know. I I know of times when you have to even have those conversations with yourself and and shut yourself down. Yeah, you know what I mean? Absolutely. And so I get it, get it, been there, done that. Sometimes still doing that, if if I could be transparent. But I think those opportunities uh where we can quickly, you know, like, okay, have a little quiet time and then move on and move forward in conversation, in healthy conversation, they come more often than not now.
SPEAKER_03:Because I do, I understand this when uh when Holy Spirit started showing me myself when I was in that, you know, mean place or whatever. Uh I didn't want to, I didn't understand in the last and effects, the lasting effects of words. Cause you know, words last with you. Whoever, if it's is good or bad, but especially for whatever reason when it's when the words are bad. So uh, like I said, I felt like me being quiet was better than me uh saying crazy stuff. Because I didn't, and even in even in all that, it still was my not my intent to just hurt people. It was just to get them off of me. You know, to leave me alone. I didn't, you know, want to just be, you know, real evil and low down. But just enough to like, you know, don't try it again. Yeah, yeah. Don't don't try it again. But um I'm just so thankful because I always feel like uh in these moments that I would be light years ahead of uh when I when I do get married. And uh I feel like I've had all these crash courses, well not gonna say crash courses, but all these courses before. Because I do feel like, you know, I needed that. And um it was really brought to my attention a a while ago when uh pastor taught the message on men, men of God and women of God. And I was like, ooh wee, I'm gonna whoop in the hair. But, you know, it was necessary. Uh and it made me come to the terms, come to terms a a lot about um my own personality. It was really a mirror. And what I didn't want rip represented, especially for, you know, God's sake, but even, you know, even for me, I didn't want to be a certain person anymore. Of course. And I didn't want to be presented like that, you know, anymore. Right. It was time for change. Praise God. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:That is good when you when you recognize that. So you actually about to grow yourself. That is definitely indicative of growth.
SPEAKER_03:I was sitting in the chair, I was like, ooh, taking notes, taking the lashes, but I needed it. And um but that is also what I love about um being that right away. It's such a a balance of everything. It's like, okay, this is what you're doing wrong, this is what you need to do. And it's never like you're horrible, you're terrible, and that's it. Yeah. It's always it's a solution. And I think that's that is necessary for everything. For every part of life. So but um the next question says, what benefits have manifested for you because of your P31 wall? Peace. Peace in your own. Yeah, yeah. Peace and peace in your own. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Because um, I was reading as you were talking, I was remake to it again just this woman was working in her purpose, she was utilizing the gives God has given her, and from that her marriage benefit benefited. And if you if you don't know your purpose and your role as it pertains to being a wife, you know, woman, then it it's gonna be hard to see any or gain any kind of benefits um with within the marriage, within the relationship. Yeah. Um and that's why you find a lot of contention in marriages because you know, people are struggling, they don't know who they are.
SPEAKER_04:That's good. That's absolutely good.
SPEAKER_02:Or why they exist, uh, or what you know, what God has for them. So it may be, you know, spirit of jealousy, come up compet you know, competition, you know, just because I don't know, and because I don't know who I am, I can't support you.
SPEAKER_04:You know. I think it's so important even with that too, that you know, how it points out in the scripture that her husband is at the city, city's gates, sitting among the elders, you know, and I can imagine he's he's a proud husband, you know, and then further down, you know, in the scripture, he talks, it talks about how her children, you know, call her blessing, her husband does also, right? And so here it is, this woman, she's doing all these things outside of her home, but the but the ministry and the people who matter most are still able to call her blessed. And I think that's the thing with I think a lot of a lot of women, like they feel as if like, well, if I attend to my home and if I attend to my children and my husband the way that I know I should, because that's my first calling, then I can't do this or I can't chase this or I can't go there. And so the priority, it's out of order, right? But here we see in the scriptures, this woman is it's up, she's doing it all. Right. And so that's what I love about this pat these this passage is that she's doing it all. And she's doing it all well and with excellence, right? And the people who are most important are calling her blessed, right? That's what we should strive to do. You know, like you can still be the career woman, you know, and still take care of your home. Yeah, because you can do it all.
SPEAKER_03:There was a moment when people were sacrificing one for the other. Yeah. And um, back in the day, you know, you hear a lot of women who got married, uh, had the family and feel like they gave up a part of themselves. And then we had the flip side because of that, people didn't want to be married. Women didn't want to be married, they didn't want to be mothers, and they just chose career only. Chose career only. And I didn't even think about that. The the balance of doing both is right there. Absolutely. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. That is just a greater testament, too, that the Bible holds solutions. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04:We look for them if we want those solutions. If we want them. Yeah, but too too often we want to do it our way. We want to do it our way. We do.
SPEAKER_02:And then she said he he safely trusting her. Safely trust.
SPEAKER_04:That is good.
SPEAKER_02:So she's a mom. She safely trust. She's a mom. Um and here it is. He trusts.
SPEAKER_03:He trusts. Trust in her. So you have no lack of nave. No lack of it. Yeah. I you know, I doesn't look good.
SPEAKER_04:I naive. I think that the P31 woman is able to do all that she does because of Genesis 218. I see the P31 woman in Genesis 218.
SPEAKER_03:218.
SPEAKER_04:Yes. Let me get to it.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. And so, are we there? You gotta read it. I want you to read.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Were you there? You were you were turning, so I was like, okay, go ahead and go ahead and read it.
SPEAKER_03:And the Lord God said, it is not good that man should be alone. I will make him a helper comparable to him. Okay. All right.
SPEAKER_04:So I I read that. I read that in the uh so I read that in the King James first. And then uh, so you said you were slowly falling in love with the Amplifier. He's trying to battle with KJV. And so I pull that up in the Amplified, and it reads like this. Now the Lord God said, it is not good, beneficial for the man to be alone. I will make him a helper, one who balances him, a counterpart who is suitable and complimentary to him, right? And so we look up those words suitable and helper and complimentary, right? Preach, right? Come on. No. Um the the words, the word suitable, right? Come on. The first synonym that you find for suitable is capable. Capable. That's why she's able to do all those things in P31, because she's suitable. She can do it. The balance is there, and that's how God created her to be able to do that. He knows that. So she was there all along. She was there all the time. It was just up to the woman to tap into the reason why God created her in the first place. Right, right. You're there to help, to assist, to be a counterpart, right? And so I think where we get off as wives or as people wanting to become wives, you think that that your dual submission means that you're in a lesser or equal role or value. And that's not what it means. We're talking about being a helper so that you can carry, help carry a vision. So I think the quicker that we're gonna take your purpose. We're gonna take your purpose too, right? And so the quicker that we come to like realize that and see ourselves back there in this scripture and even in now, we're limitless. Well, what we can do in our homes and with and with our families.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't even think about that. Like, like you say, the helper, like when you think about getting somebody to help you, something they got to be capable, capable. You're not gonna get nobody to help you with someone feel like it's not gonna be able to do it. Right. Yeah. That's delicious, right there.
SPEAKER_02:So that's heavy. And even like in times with um when Pastor and I are at odds, we have to come back together because it's like, hey, you can't do this vision with a sadly uh without me, and I can't do it without you. Right. Okay, we gotta get it together. Tell me how to get it together. Or everything comes to a standstill until we get out of our stubbornness and can get back on the same page. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And the Lord is for you two. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, he's God. He could have made anything, but he was like, all right, I'm gonna give you a woman. Here it is. Here she is. Here she is. Rather.
SPEAKER_03:You know what I mean? So it you know what? It again, malice is the word that comes to my mind. Uh and I don't know, even when, okay, when Moses had the people in the wilderness, the children of God in the wilderness, uh, his his father-in-law told him, if you don't get help, it's gonna kill you. It's gonna kill you. So he had to listen to that and get some help. Jethro. Just like that. He was a real one. Yeah. He was a real one. But but like you said, God saw that already, and he had already said what he was gonna do. And he was gonna give him help. Yeah. Give him some help. That that lets us know for real that, like you just said, neither of the two can do it alone. Absolutely. Neither of the two can do it alone. But that's so funny, like when y'all say y'all at odds with other with each other, and Pastor said you had a strong conversation. Like, I feel like y'all just be like, I disagree, and that's it.
SPEAKER_02:I don't see nothing. Bless your heart.
SPEAKER_03:I disagree. Like, no, I don't really think that. I really like that. I don't know. My Lord, that's so funny. That is so funny to me. That's so funny. Because I feel like they just be like, no, I don't agree with that. That's it.
SPEAKER_02:And then No, we have to remind ourselves what you're saying. Right here. It's just some strong conversation. Yes, Lord. Oh, man, that's funny. But when we do come together and re hey, and he'll, you know, he'll say, hey, we gotta get together. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Now that makes me feel like uh, you know, what was what's that show with Hillman? Different world. That time when um Dwayne and Wheatley had got into it about whatever. And um she was sitting on there talking to her homegirls and saying what she was and wasn't gonna do. And the way just was like, hey, my wife, you come on, let's work this out. I don't know why that made me think about that. That's how you be Mama Mish. You just be like, okay. When you say, let's work it out. Eventually.
SPEAKER_02:We're two strong-willed individuals. So it sometimes it takes a little time. I can see, well, the Holy Spirit break us on down.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I can see the passion from both sides. Yes, yeah, it's it's much better. Much better than than than it has because again, I had to develop.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's that's real good. And then people don't want to admit that. Like, sometimes people want to present themselves as perfection and always never mean. Oh no. Yeah. It's never me, it's always always the other person. Oh no.
SPEAKER_04:I think there's a part, even for me, this is uh this is what I see in the in the scripture. And even in Genesis 2 uh 224. Um, let's see exactly what it says. Oh, because not all the translations have this word, but to the point of what she said, and it says for this, for this reason a man shall leave his father, mother, and uh shall be joined to his wife, and they shall become. To me, that become speaks of process. And it's being it's it speaks to you don't arrive there at I do. Wow.
SPEAKER_02:Like or consummation.
SPEAKER_04:Right, absolutely, right, because in the text that's what they're they're talking about because Jesus references this, you know, over in Matthew as well. So um that's why I said it's just kind of my takeaway that that become not only speaks of of us joining uh and and consummating the marriage, but that speaks of the process, like this is a road. That's good. Like we become one flesh, we become one in our thinking and in our speaking and in our reacting um you know towards one another.
SPEAKER_03:And so we get there.
SPEAKER_04:I knew I was gonna have to write it. And that and that's found in the amplified that way. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Because you have to be learned, I mean, you have to learn in that process that we're one now. So whatever I do, I'm doing it to myself. To me, yeah, to me. Yeah and to you.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um, and it it it just changes the perspective. It's not me and you.
SPEAKER_03:That's absolutely right. Yeah. I know that that's an area now that I'm um trying to work on also. Especially, you know, you be on your own. I'm older now.
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03:And my focus definitely has, yeah, it's always just me and me. Whatever decision I make, yeah, you know, for the most part, it's just gonna affect me. And uh, and it's not even that I do a lot. And I was like, you know what, when I get married, I'm gonna have to be like, well, I'm gonna go here. What you think? But I'm going here, and then now I gotta see how you feel about it. But it's not necessarily, I don't think, a bad thing. Not and not in the form of like dictatorship. Right. But you know.
SPEAKER_02:I think, and you know, I know people listen to this from you married, so you know, yeah, of course. But if we truly, you know, and I even look back on my life, like the way that it happened, like how we came together, it had to be God, because we're still here 28 years later. And, you know, even though I thought I was pulling him, you know, or whatever, but no.
SPEAKER_03:Evangelizing is what she said.
SPEAKER_02:That's what I said. I said I was evangelizing. Um so funny to me. But if we truly seek God and allow him to put these relationships together, like that, that won't even be difficult. That's really good. Because he's gonna fit. And so when he says, okay, this is the vision, and this is you like, okay, whatever you like. But you will automatically be in agreement because it makes sense. Because it's it's ordained. Because, you know, it, and so I think for a lot of women, especially if they've been through relationships, failed relationships, it makes it even harder to accept that when that person comes along because it's like there's a prank, you know, that's a funk in me. That's so funny. You know, for real. Like, no.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:When y'all were talking, though, it's so funny how God just he shows me little visuals. I guess I'm a visual person. It just, I don't know, that's the way it works for me. But I basically saw like every person that he ever created in this creation puzzle. And he's he put this puzzle over here uh with the Williams family, and he put this puzzle over here, say his last name is Nelson. We're gonna put him over here. And at some point, my plan is for this Nelson and this Williams to get together. Yeah, that's good. You know, if they follow my path, they find me, they follow my path, they heed to holy, you know, Holy Spirit and my guidance, and boom, boom, boom, that that the puzzle piece is gonna come together, y'all.
SPEAKER_03:That's good.
SPEAKER_02:But hey, if we take a detour, or we never, you know, we never surrender our life to God, we don't follow him, that piece never gonna find that piece, that piece bumping and all these other pieces trying to fit up that puzzle.
SPEAKER_04:Have you ever tried to fit a piece where it didn't belong? Yeah, no, that's good. That's a lot of other pieces around it. Yeah, yeah. And it does all the time. Yeah, when we think relationally, you can make it where it's supposed to be. Yeah, but I think if you follow the the path as she as she mentioned and allow God to lead you, I think ultimately you there will be a found joy in that shared accountability. Yeah, you know, so it won't feel like you're reporting to someone or something like that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, um, and then we can always reflect back on Ephesians 5 because we as we consider submission, it is both ways to submit yourselves one to another in the fear of God. And so ultimately you're doing it as unto God. Right. And you have and then you will find no issue with it if that's where you put your heart.
SPEAKER_03:And you know, uh, now that you you said that I was telling uh, I tell Ari, you know, a couple of times. We'd be talking about, you know, stuff like this. Uh when I first saw my house, I had seen all these other houses and houses I even felt like um looked better than my house. And I was like, ooh, I want that house. But when I came across my house, and it was I hated the color, it needed a lot of work, but I was like, that's my house. And I was not moved out for all the things that needed to be done to it, and all the things, you know, the renovations and the the time it was gonna take. And uh I just I felt like I fell in love with the house, even with, you know, all the stuff. And I I say, I Lord, I say, Lord, let it be like that, because I don't want to miss it just being, you know, nonchalant or you know, just not paying attention, ton of vision on other stuff. Yeah. So I say, Lord, let it be like that. And I don't want to be broke down or nothing like that. No imperfection. Not in, you know, not in that way. Of course, we all are flawed, but um, I say, Lord, let it be like that, because I don't I don't want to miss out on, you know, the blessing from God. That is a husband, that is a godly husband. And and I'm telling her too, not only do I want him to be, you know, most of the things on my list, or God's list for real, because at this point I kind of don't know what I want. So I say, Lord, you know what I need. But I I want to be, I want to check the things off his list too. You know what I'm saying? So this, that's why I said this is probably one of the most uh selfish episodes for me because I'm gonna go back and listen and take some more notes and everything. But um I I fell in love with that house, my house when I saw it. And it was, I was telling my sister, I was like, I hate the color. But all of that, you know, could have been changed. But um, even when we went inside, it had this weird smell because nobody had been in it for a while. You know, it just smelled like house, just you know, sitting up house. It did. And I was like, ooh, but I I still love this house. And then when I was looking at it, I could just see, you know, everything that I wanted in there and how it was gonna be and what I want to do to it. And I just could see myself coming home to this house, driving in that driveway, you know, parking my car there, you know, just all kind of things. And uh I just I just hope that it'd be like that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it all looks like describe things that you could instantly improve. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Absolutely. Instantly, for sure. Yeah. For sure, for sure. But um, that's how I wanted to be because I know what I mean. Dress them up. Help us both more. Help us both.
SPEAKER_04:That's so funny. Because I'm on those. You think about your attractive dudes with gators on.
SPEAKER_03:Please know.
SPEAKER_02:Please. Oh Lord, the ten is genius to those who like to work.
SPEAKER_03:That's just not my thing. That is hilarious. Yeah, get them out them gators, Lord. No soul. The colored ones at that. Oh, yeah. Real, real pointy tips. And the one that kind of kind of sit up a little bit like in F shoes.
SPEAKER_01:Oh goodness.
SPEAKER_03:The last question right here that says, uh, how would you encourage other wives or women desiring to become a wife to line up with the word of God?
SPEAKER_04:Um, I think I would say that my encouragement is first get an understanding of like why you were created in the first place. Like, what did God want of you? What was his reason for placing you in the earth? Right. And so if if we're speaking to wives specifically, apart from God creating humanity to worship him, wives specifically were created to be a help. God called me help first. He, you know, other things came in addition, um and subsequent to that, but that's what he called me first. And so get that down in your spirit. If you want to truly be a wife, then gain and gather and uh become resolute with that understanding first. And I think that will help propel you into everything else that comes along with being a wife.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And I think being women, um since we were made to be helped anyway, if we really pay attention to ourselves, that's what we do anyway. Yeah, absolutely. You just walk around. Much of it is innate. Helping people, yeah, it's innate. Yeah. It's innate. It's just in there to help. That's why we're usually called nurturers. So the Lord knew what he was doing. He did know. Yeah. He did know what he was doing. That's why.
SPEAKER_02:And so it's just, it's important you know your purpose.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. It is important.
SPEAKER_02:He, I mean, he put he put purpose in you, your identity in you, because he wants you to do something with it. And a part of your purpose is to be a help meet, your purpose is gonna funnel through that. Whatever's whatever that is, I mean Pastor he talks about it all the time. You know, um, administrative, that's my thing. Administration, excuse me, that's my thing. And so, you know, if I didn't tap into that and as he tells my testimony, you know, I wanted to be a physical therapist and I had gone that route, I wouldn't have been a benefit to the church.
SPEAKER_04:That's good. That's true, and your husband and the calling that he had. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the church, yeah, that's good. That's really worship. That is hilarious.
SPEAKER_02:So, you know, it makes sense now. Back then, you know, I'm like trying to make money.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, absolutely. Trying to make money. Lord helped teach you.
SPEAKER_02:So your purpose is tied into your future.
SPEAKER_03:It's so, like you say, like all the pieces is just so intricate. Like they're individual pieces and they shape funny, weird, and but when you put that thing together, the lines pretty much disappear. The lines disappear.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you for tuning in to this week's episode of Something Like Sunday School. This has been the first half of this episode entitled P31. Be sure to tune in and hear the rest of the conversation and some thought provoking topics in part two available right now.