Somethin' Like Sunday School
A podcast discovering and conversing about the people of the Bible and other fun, Bible facts. If Sunday School and VBS had a baby.
Somethin' Like Sunday School
Celestial
We trace the fine line between admiring the night sky and worshiping it, then show how Scripture locates meaning in the Creator, not the constellations. We talk dominion, identity, open doors, and the subtle ways culture crowns astrology as authority.
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• Genesis 1 on signs, seasons, days, years
• Psalms 19 and the heavens declaring God’s glory
• fall of man, dominion lost and regained in Christ
• Isaiah 14 and “stars” as people, not destiny
• Magi corrected by “thus it is written”
• acting, channeling, and mental doors
• fasting as closing background apps
• guarding gates against fear and obsession
• why horoscopes feel accurate and expectation bias
• Job’s hedge, fear, and spiritual breaches
• separating natural rhythms from occult practices
• practical steps to renounce objects and influences
Be sure to tune in and hear the rest of the conversation and some thought provoking topics in part two available right now
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SPEAKER_04:This episode of Something Like Sunday School is being brought to you by Bougie Billy Trade Lines LLC, headed up by the CEO of Angela Eggman. If you find yourself shy of the credit score needed to qualify for your dream home, at land you've been looking at the new car you wanted to purchase, personal loans, and much more, and you don't have the desire to wait on complete full credit. Try the temporary credit boost of Bougie Bully Trade Lines with results in as fast as 14 to 21 days. Get better odds of approval with the addition of positive accounts with zero balances added to your credit profile. With the ability to increase your approval by as much as 75%. Yes, 75%. Contact Angela at bougiebully at gmail.com or 1980-677-1595. Become a part of over 900 satisfied customers and 80 homes closed by using their services. Allow them to bully those bureaus on your behalf by using Bougie Bully Trade Lines LLC. They look forward to working with you. What's up, everybody, and welcome back to your favorite podcast. Something like Sunday Scoop, I am purpose Williams tonight. I'm excited every time, always, for anytime we get together and learn of God. And you'll hear me say this every time. I feel like this is so, so important. This is an important episode. And this is the second time. I know last time I came in as a student where I'm admitting to you guys that I'm coming in as a student and I'm learning. I'm finna I'm finna eat down. I'm finna eat down. And and uh I hope that you you join us with this this meal as well. Tonight I have with me very special people to me. I have uh Brother Myron. What you what you gonna say to the people?
SPEAKER_02:Well, you know, I was pondering on what to say to the people of God. Something clever, but sometimes a good a good old praise the Lord, everybody. But you gotta say it twice. Praise the Lord, everybody.
SPEAKER_04:Amen.
SPEAKER_02:Amen.
SPEAKER_04:Praise the Lord, everybody. What this what does the scripture say? Great is the Lord And greatly.
SPEAKER_01:Greatly to be praised. I was glad when they said unto me. Let us go by to the house of the Lord.
SPEAKER_04:Sister Ari. This is the first time I call you, sister. That sounds funny a little bit.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, good people. What you normally say?
SPEAKER_04:AKA my yes is his. Yeah, aka S. Yeah. My yes is here. She said. So easy. Just came by so easy. I said, Lord, I aspire. That's the Holy Ghost. Okay, it was so holy and smooth.
SPEAKER_02:Like she's fully yielded. So settled. She did.
SPEAKER_04:She taught me a thing about surrender. What'd you say? Have I not surrendered like I think I have? I need to go back. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:You gotta do your first works over again.
SPEAKER_04:Take me back to the place where I first received. And tonight um you have our spiritual dad is here with us again. Um it's it's always an honor, always a pleasure, always a joy. I know that uh he and Mama Misha are very busy people. And you know, just to know that they would take that time to to hang with a few of their babies from the church. I'm trying, I'm trying to elevate us. I'm trying to get into Joe's place. A few of their spiritual children, you know, to hang out and to teach and for us to be able to pull on him means so much to me. Uh, we were excited about this. Uh, we've been talking to each other, chit-chatting about it, and you know, just anticipating this moment. Uh, Pops, what you what you want to say to the people?
SPEAKER_07:My Lord, my Lord. This is so good. No, I'm glad to be here. Thank you for inviting me. Never too busy for you. You call me, I come running. So we're glad to be here.
SPEAKER_04:I feel so special. Yeah, it made me smile a little bit harder. This is good. Cheeks high. Tonight, and I found it uh so befitting uh recently. Well, last night. And tonight, uh, we were able to view the Northern Lights here in Alabama. And I thought that was uh, you know, a nice little touch. Shout out to God. You know, I never saw that coming. And I said, this this must be the right time.
SPEAKER_02:Stamp of approval.
SPEAKER_04:Stamp of approval.
SPEAKER_07:I didn't even see it. I saw I saw stuff on the um social media about it. I saw it.
SPEAKER_04:My cousin, um, he took some pictures and they said it's gonna happen again tonight. So I'm gonna stay up this time and catch it. I gotta um give him about what time. I think it it'd be like midnight somewhere up in there. Oh, okay. But uh how it'll be fitting. How it'll be fitting. Um I say this all the time as uh as a creative person. I consider myself creative, um, very uh curious, I would say that for sure. For lack of a better word. Um you can if you're like me, you'll find it easy to be to be led astray, which I don't f you know, not that's not me now, but I can uh empathize with those people who are you find everything so fascinating that it's easy to switch from fascination to idolatry. Yeah. Uh especially, I mean, the majesty and the beauty of God's creation is going to um it's gonna sit down in that somewhere. You just be like, wow, you know what I'm saying? Uh you look at mountains, even even volcanoes, which for the most part are disruptive and destructive, uh, there's a beauty in watching it, you know, from afar for sure. But sunrise, sunset, stars, learning about the planets, yeah, uh, being able to see them uh with the naked eye, even looking at them for sure, uh, with telescopes and you know the like. It can all be so fascinating and you can be taken if you're not careful from from admiration to to worshiping of them. But we are warned in the Bible uh over and over again not to do it. Uh but I want to start us back here in Genesis, where the Bible is clear about what the stars, the sun, the moon, and all the celestial bodies, what their job is. Come on. Uh let's go to Genesis, the first chapter, the 14th verse. Genesis is the first book of the Bible. Genesis meaning origin. And of course it's befitting that we would see the creation in the beginning of the Bible. In the book that means origin. We get to see uh what God was doing on those six days. And I I think it's so fascinating that he even lets us get a glimpse of what he had going on. That's beautiful to me. Uh we're we're right here on the fourth day. We start at verse 14. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night. Right away, we run into part of their job. They're gonna divide the day from the night, and let them be for what? For signs, and for seasons, and for days, and for years. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth. And it was what? It was so.
SPEAKER_07:It was so.
SPEAKER_04:And God made two great lights, the great light to rule the day, the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day, over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. In the evening, in the morning, or the fourth day, uh, he starts us out letting us know, hey, I'm putting this here right here for these reasons. No other reason. These other reasons. And then he he repeats himself. Kind of, he he reiterates. I guess that's the hearing and hearing that we that we needed to keep to keep hearing, to keep in the forefront of our minds. Um now I did when I when I came across the word signs, now I understand what's going on. But Pops, I want you to elaborate right there for us, and it says, and let them be for signs. Because sometimes people take signs as in horoscopes and well, we should be ruled by concerning stars and lights and the moon and all these other things.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, I think that's where people kind of try to take that from too. Um I like to parent with that Psalms 19 and 1 says the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth his handiwork. So the heavens declare the glory of God. When um some things that they they we could do or they could do, even today, some farmers do when they um uh take into consideration the new moon, things like that. That that is a sign of a change of a season. That's that's what that was really um pertaining to. Not that we would look for it and get a sign for us, uh, which I think that that's how people have um have taken that to mean that if that was the case, why would God need to create man in his image and in his likeness if everything we needed to get, we would have to look to the stars to get it.
SPEAKER_04:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_07:Uh so it really makes no sense if you really think about it with a but you know you gotta think about this. Man fail, right? Man fail. And so when man fell, he failed a human reasoning. He fell below the normal nature of his creation. So rather than ruling creation, he looked to it.
SPEAKER_04:I was gonna bring that up too. I know the scripture tells us that you know, we're supposed to have dominion over these things.
SPEAKER_07:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04:And and not worship. And I and like you say, it doesn't make sense. If we think about it, we're supposed to be having dominion over how do we go from dominion to worship? Yeah. Just like you just said from the fall in human reasoning. Uh, but logically, again, that that doesn't make sense.
SPEAKER_07:It just don't make sense.
SPEAKER_04:It doesn't make sense. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07:You know, it's just it's it's it's kind of funny that we've even gotten to this place. But that just lets you know the greatness of the fall and man's hunger, um, he doesn't even realize he thinks he's in control of it, but he's being driven by it. Kind of like how you opened up being a creator. I think I'm creative in some way. And if you're not careful, that faction of your mind can cause you to go into certain areas that you shouldn't. That you shouldn't. I was watching um it was a um, what was the movie? It was it was a sitcom used to come on TV, a gangster sitcom back in the day. It was one of the number one gangster sitcoms.
SPEAKER_04:Um Is that with Lorenz Tate?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. No. No. It it may have been. They were they were uh they were a part of a um, what do you what do you call it? They were part of a mafia. It was a mafia sitcom back in the days. I think it was the Sopranos. Uh it was the Sopranos. I was listening, I was looking at, they were interviewing one of the guys on the uh from the Sopranos, he was the hitman. And he talked about when he uh when when it got to the climax of him having to do his first hit, he talked about the mindset that he had to put himself in. And he said he went in that day to shoot that particular scene, and the director only needed five minutes, but he spent all night getting in the character. So when the director said cut, he was still in the mindset of the character, and how many of them had to go uh get uh psyche valves because he here's how he ended. He said he believed that there's a part of our minds that we should never touch into or tap into. Right. And and you know, I've heard many actors, you know, talk about that over and over again, like this this other person that they have to become in order to, you know, take part in the fullness of that character and stuff. And it just makes you think, you know, when you talk about we're we're talking about these horoscopes and stuff, where does a person have to, as as carnal as it seems, where do they have to take their minds to to believe that stars are telling me about me? Right.
SPEAKER_04:Where does your mind have to be?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Uh that's interesting that you said that, because I was looking last night at uh an interview with Will Smith, and uh he was talking about how he had really got into character, you know, they spent time and they now they blatantly say they be channeling spirits. Yep. And you know, it used to just say, oh, getting into character. Um but he said it was it was his first role in um six degrees of separation. And their role I've seen that movie and their role, you know, it shouldn't have been anything to get caught up into, as in shouldn't have tapped into like that deep. Right. But he was saying how uh he stayed in character for like so many days, like 30, 40 days if I'm not mistaken. And how when the movie was done, he still had to he had to find a way to separate himself from that character and that that person that he had taken on. Wow, wow. And uh you could see in his face, and then I was like, Lord, you know how they be like, you know, Christians be so deep. You can see in his face that it still was pieces of everything that he done, like still there. Like he really was struggling with reliving how much you know he had to separate himself from that from that character. But I definitely believe that parts of the man that you should never tap into.
SPEAKER_02:That we're not equipped to deal with that. We're not equipped to handle it. Because every time, like they call it method acting, that they um, in order to develop this character effectively, they like study and become and absorb.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_02:But again, once you tap into something you're not ready for, that stuff stays with you. Like Jamie Foxx talked about when he did Ray, how that those glasses he really couldn't see. But he kept those glasses on the whole time, like even when they weren't filming. Yeah, he had those glasses on to kind of help him, you know, play the character better. Yeah. Embodied. Embody absorbed.
SPEAKER_04:We listen to what's up, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they're literally telling us. Right. Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_03:So it's giving yourself that much into a particular character or whatever it may be. Is that a form of worship?
SPEAKER_07:I think it can be. It's funny, we're talking about astrology and horoscopes to become stars. To become star wise.
SPEAKER_04:Oh things to be worshipped.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. Do it to become stars.
SPEAKER_04:Do it to become stars.
SPEAKER_07:But at what cost, right?
SPEAKER_04:At what cost?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, just like astrology. At what cost? Yeah. Hey. This is good. Alright. I but to your questionnaire, I do believe that astrology is associated with a cult. I I do, I absolutely do. I mean, I anytime you're getting life direction from something other than the life giver, you're you're you you are aligning yourself with a cult. Because it it now controls you. It does. Right? It determines your your day, your month, your life, what you're like. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Even I I also when I was um looking at the interview with Will Smith, it definitely made me think of Heath Ledger when he did the the JoJo program and how that character consumed him to the point of, you know, snuffing out his life. You know, uh, he was, you know, talked about how hard it was. And even recently, uh with Marlon Wayans with the movie Him, he talked about how hard it was to, you know, get rid of that and get out of that. And they, like you say, they they talk a lot about having to seek out professional help. And and honestly, be sounding like an exorcism, really.
SPEAKER_02:It does, does it? And I couldn't, I I couldn't sit through all of that movie.
SPEAKER_04:I knew I wasn't gonna watch it.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, it was there was a natural curiosity, but you know, it's a certain line that I'm not like once you go too far, I'm like, nah, I'm gonna. Who you're talking about now. That movie with Marlon Wayne. Oh yeah, see, I never saw it. It's called him. And it talks about it. Yeah, it talks about like um what athletes go through to be the best, the sacrifices and things they make. Uh-huh. And it got into some weird stuff. So it's like, yeah, at a certain point, I'm it's like I have my weird meter, and I'm like, it it exceeded that rather quickly. So I'm like, yeah, I'm done. Yeah. I I just hear Gargy Gates. Yeah, yeah. So I'll be like, nah, that's that's too much. I'm not gonna indulge in that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I know me. Holy Spirit shows me me often. Yeah. And like you say, really, that's that's real life for me. Um tapping into a part of my mind, and I know I shouldn't, I do not do it. Because I know that would be a battle. Yeah. You know, that I just don't want to deal with. And and Holy Spirit is is is wonderful enough to tell me no. And I just have to be like, all right.
SPEAKER_07:It can be like a rabbit hole real quick. It is a rabbit hole. You know, it's funny y'all talk about that. I was thinking about this the other day. Like, what what what program is running in the back of your minds? Like, just like on your phone or your computer, if you don't close that out, it's still running in the back. Yeah, it drains the battery, it's it's still the program is still, and so a lot of times we get caught up if we don't learn how to manage the things around us, those things, and and we don't close them out, those things are still running.
SPEAKER_03:They will. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:And and you're trying to focus on one thing, but you can't because you got another system that's still open. That is, that that is taking place in your mind. I I you know, I call it mental real estate. It's it is taking control of mental real estate that you need for something else, but you can't, and you think it's you, and it's not you, it's just that you got too many things that you need to close out. Yeah. And so I I think that's what fasting helps, because it helps us to close out things. Focus, yeah, and and get more focused, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I uh I remember when um you called us to a fast of not watching TV, and I was like, oh my God, this is uh I thought, you know, I thought fasting from fried chicken was TV, um, but fasting will show you you. Oh, yeah. All the spirit do it for sure, but you know, this is this is next level. And I was like, oh my God, I didn't realize I watched this much TV. And uh I was like, Jesus, the first night, and here I am naked again. I felt like I was uh I won't say withdrawal because that's too strong a word, but I was like, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do with myself? I had tried all this, I felt like it was too loud. I was like, Jesus? That wealth withdrawal says, Yeah, it was. I had read, you know, my scriptures, I had prayed, and then it felt like a tunnel. I was like, I cannot do this. But you know, I was like, but I ain't you know, Jesus didn't. I'm not finna, you know, make no bread out of this little stone. I'm gonna let it be a stone.
SPEAKER_02:Like the crazy thing is, like, it's amazing what you hear in passing, like in a humorous way. I can't remember what show it was, but it was like, just listen to the word television, tell our vision. It's telling lies to your vision. I was like, wow.
SPEAKER_04:And vision more so being your mind. Right. Um I feel like um, and you know, we say this, you know, your mind is is where pretty much everything begins. I almost feel like spirit and mind, you know, where we say everything begins in the spirit. I feel like they very uh close in the sense that that's where that's where it starts. I know people who have uh overcome sickness just from mindset alone. Yeah. And you know, whatever your mindset is, you uh, you know, you're willing your body to you will yourself to do the things and make your body, you know, assist your body in that healing. So um there's a lot I have uh a few associates of mine who you know they be janky janking or whatever. Cause I don't watch certain uh horror movies, which I really don't watch horror movies, but especially ones dealing with uh spirits and paranormal stuff. I will I would not watch it. And I used to watch things that was like gory, but even now um I'm sensitive, you know, to that. Uh I used to watch um Lorna SVU, but it just it started consuming me and you know, had fear here, fear there, you know, reliving things. I was like, I can't watch this anymore. But um I'm just so thankful to know to guard my gates, my heart goes out to people who who have no idea or who think that, you know, it doesn't matter, who have heard it, but you know, it doesn't matter to them. Um and Pastor, you and I have uh talked about this about you know, sometimes we see people walking the streets talking to themselves, and you know, we will say that they're out of their minds, but you know, we definitely feel like they've tapped into a place that that they shouldn't have visited at all.
SPEAKER_07:And you know, and and not always out of their mind. They just hadn't they hadn't learned their gift. Some of them are, but some of them are gifted. And they hear stuff and it's never been told them that you are a spirit being also. And that you hear things that are are that are just as alive as they would be if they were right before you. So, you know, people push it off and ignore it rather than explaining to them what it's about and that you're not crazy. Some of this stuff you got to cast down, some of this stuff you got to control, and you know, if if the if the gift gets ahead of the knowledge, then the gift can become destructive if you don't have knowledge of it, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So that reminds me of the scripture when they were saying that Jesus would be a stumbling block for some people. To the Jews, yeah. Wow, wow. Wow, wow, indeed. It can just get so sticky, you know.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, y'all jumped on a race racehorse with this conversation.
SPEAKER_04:Because it's it's been, you know, it's being on me. And it's so people are being so ruled by these days.
SPEAKER_02:You know, we hear uh retrograde this and uh Venus that and Gemini this and Scorpio that, and you know, yeah, they go to a whole nother level talking about moons and I'm a I'm a Sagittarius with a uh Scorpio moon. And I'm like, what what what is that? Yeah. And then I'd be like, never mind, I really don't care to know if I'm being honest with your honor. I'm like, so what do you think the purpose of the horoscope is? Like, why do why do you think people um are so into it?
SPEAKER_07:Well, so first of all, the I think the thing we gotta understand out the gate is that the heavens declare his glory. They don't give us information other than signs for seasons. Apart from that, they're for his glory, not for ours. So anytime you're trying to look to the stars to find out something about you, you're gonna automatically miss it, which gives place for something else to talk to you. So you got to think about it, where's the information coming from? If if if the scripture is clear, they declare his glory and therefore signs and seasons. So if you're not getting that from them and you're looking to them, well then they can give to you or the person now something is going to give to you whatever they want to give to you because you've already skipped, usurped your knowledge to want to know a truth in them that's not there. So that you're looking for a truth in the stars that's not there and was not given to us for. It's like trying to use a butter knife as a flathead. It'll work sometime, but eventually that's not what it's for. And that's what people are trying because they are seeking uh I I have to go back to this over and over again. The fall did a greater damage than what we ever it put us, it didn't put us on a uh it didn't put us on a sit, it put us in a seek. Adam sat with the Lord in the cool of the day. He fell and now he's seeking something that he had time to sit with. Right? And so Satan's job is to always get in the seat so that you'll seek him or sit with him and not sit with God. Right, and so like like Isaiah, we let's let's jump into this. Isaiah chapter 14. Isaiah chapter 14, let's look at verse 12 and 13. Uh, it's talking about Satan, right? And it says, Um, how art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning? How art thou cut down to the ground, which didest weaken the nation? For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north, I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be, whoa, like the most high. So, how do we, as believers, find out our identity, who we are, we get it from the most high God. Well, Satan says, I'm gonna be like the most high God. So if God is speaking to us to transmit to us who we are, give us identity and purpose and stuff, well, then Satan gotta find a way to be like the most high. So he said, I tell you what, I'll do, I'll put it in the stars and make y'all look to the stars and get it from me. Because you can't get it from me like you get it from God.
SPEAKER_03:It's a trick to refuse to worship God. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_07:That's exactly what it is. But here's the part he says, uh, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. Now, that I was I, you know, I believe Bible interpret Bible. Y'all hear me say that all the time, right? When we if I'm I'm gonna go off my Savior Jesus. He didn't have to go outside the Bible, right? Right. He always said, It is written, it is written, it is written. He picked up the book, found the place where it was written. So all that's going outside the word, people can miss me with that. Bible interprets Bible. But what people don't understand is that metaphor right there, stars of God, in most of your study Bibles, they're gonna say that those stars are angels. Right. Right? Okay, I'll give you that. Let's just say they're angels, trans, uh, which is another word for messengers, but who says that they have to be angels?
SPEAKER_04:Who says it?
SPEAKER_07:Who says that the messengers are angels? Because when we look in revel when we look in Revelation, it says, unto the angel of the church of Sardis, to the angel of the church. So we know those angels are messengers slash pastors, right? Right. So Bible interpret Bible, right? Okay, so I believe that these stars of God right here. Let's look at a few places so we can kind of pull it together. Yeah, oh yeah. Revelations 1 and 10. Revelations 1 and 10. Let's look, let's look. We gotta pull it all together. Yeah, Revelations 1 and 10. We all got our Bibles here, you know, it's some license. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Revelations 1 and 10 says, I was in the spirit on the Lord's day and heard behind me a great voice as of the trumpet of God saying, I'm Alpha and Omega. Is that what I want? The beginning and the end. I don't think that's what I want. Um, is it one? Five and did I say one and ten? Yes, in Revelations. Yes, that was the right scripture right there. Oh no, it's verse 12. I turned to see the voice that spake with me, and being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks. And in the midst of the seven candlesticks, one like the son of man, clothed with garment down, girt about the paps of uh his what? Golden girdle, right? And his head was hair, was white with wool. But the part of that is not we to here we begin uh an illustration of him being a candlestick. So we know that the Bible can use different words to give metaphorical meaning to them. Now, Philippians chapter one. Let's go back to Philippians chapter one. Yeah. Philippians chapter one. She got a new Bible over there, so them pages still stuck together. Yeah, Philippians Philippians 1, verse 15. 15 and 16, it says, um, some indeed preach Christ, everyone envying strife, and some also of good will. The one preached Christ of contention, not sincerely supposing. Am I in Philippians? 15. I said 15 and 16, right?
SPEAKER_03:You reading it right.
SPEAKER_07:No, no, it was supposed to be Philippians chapter 2.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_07:You know you had to give me that that all that grace.
SPEAKER_03:That's okay.
SPEAKER_07:Verse 15 says, that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation among whom ye shine as lights in the world, holding forth the word of life that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither labored in vain. And then I just mentioned this. Matthew 5, 13 through 16. It talks about us being a candle. No man lighted a candle, put it on the put it on the lampstand, so it gets light to the whole. Ye are the light of the world, a city that's set on the hill that cannot be hid, right? So all those scriptures I just mentioned, we saw the word stars in that, we saw the word light, we saw the word candlestick. All metaphors are people, not angels. Right. If angels, messengers, so we can say we are angels because we're messengers. Okay, so when we go back to Isaiah then chapter 14, who are these stars of God? Because now there's some questions we got to answer. Oh, it's getting good now. There's some questions we got to answer. Because we we we if we move some stuff off the table, I believe we can understand the text more clearly, right? So let's go back up to verse 12. How art thou fallen from heaven? Oh Lucifer. So now the first thing we get is position. He's not above the stars, he's fallen. So he can't get back to a place he's fallen from. So he can't be talking about getting high than the angels because he's already fallen from heaven, and the angels are seated in heavenly places. Oh, they roam in heavenly places. He can't get back up there. Son of morning, how thou cut down. So we he's at he's at the ground.
SPEAKER_06:He's at the ground.
SPEAKER_07:Right. So if you're at the ground, how are you gonna exalt your your throne above the stars if the stars are up and you on the ground? So that counsels out angels with wings. Yeah. That these this can't be those stars of God. Because he already cut down from the ground. He is fallen, uh, and uh he can never get above angels again because he was cursed to the ground. He was cursed. So we can't those stars of God that he wants to exalt his throne above can't be the angels above, because he's already cursed, cast down, as this is being read, right? So if he's above angels, he's still lower than man. So why would why would Satan say, I'ma exalt my throne above the stars and still be below man? You that means you wouldn't have control.
SPEAKER_04:You wouldn't have it.
SPEAKER_07:So he can't so again that those stars of God can't be talking about angels with wings again. Because you still want to get to a lower position. If you want to get man, you got to get above him, and we above angels. Yeah. Right? The rank, the the the hierarchy of heaven is Father, Son, God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, then man, then angels. So if you're trying to exalt your throne above the stars of God, and we think that that's talking about angels with wings, you still below me. Still below. So those stars of God right there can't be. And then also, I believe, I believe that these stars right here are us. That he wants to exalt his throne above the stars of God. Well, how can you exalt your throne above the stars of God to make us think that the stars have the answer for us? So you put your message in the stars and call it astrology. Yeah. And we look to you for our direction. We look for you for identity. Now you've exalted your throne above the stars of God because now we bow to you. We don't bow to God.
SPEAKER_02:That's the only way he can do that.
SPEAKER_07:That's the only thing he got left. To give us a doctrine of the devil. Wow. That's it.
SPEAKER_03:Just a joker.
SPEAKER_07:Yep. So, so now I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna go somewhere here with y'all. That's why I believe that there are possible parts of astrology that are true. That are true, yeah. I was gonna do that. Like, say, for instance, when when they say all uh uh Aquariuses act like this, all I I'm I believe, and I could be wrong, that Satan tries to mark seasons and put certain uh um identities, put certain actions and stuff in certain seasons on certain people. That's why you can have a whole group. You're a Pisces, you always act like this. You do you all that group of people always act like that. These folk here got uh if you're a cancer, you're very clingy and stuff like that. I I don't know. I'm just saying have no idea because I don't get into that stuff. But I believe that's Satan trying to exalt his throne above the stars so that so that when we feel like it comes from those stars, then we gotta look back to those stars to get it when actually it was just a season.
SPEAKER_04:It was just a season.
SPEAKER_03:So he literally just taking a piece of the truth and just twisting it through.
SPEAKER_02:I was just gonna say the best lies are mixed with truth. The best lies are mixed with truth.
SPEAKER_04:And we explain we see him, we're talking to uh Eve with a mix of truth. Absolutely. Polluting and perverting and a twisted truth.
SPEAKER_07:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:He has no new way.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, and so then they they will they will compound that with other lies to make us think when they say, well, when Jesus was born, there was a star that led the uh wise men, which is actually the word magi. It they, you know, our transl our English translation call it wise men, but they were magi, which were uh uh uh Persian magicians, is really who they were. And but all people don't let's look at that. That's over in what? Um what is that over in um um um um that's over in Matthew, right? Yeah, Matthew chapter 2. That's where it's at. People don't read. All we gotta do is read. The Bible will interpret itself, and they try to say, Well, Jesus, uh, God used star readers to uh to get the people to Jesus so he can't be against it. Well, let's see if that's what the scripture says. Verse uh Matthew 2, 1 says, Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea uh in the days of Hero the king, behold there came wise men, magis, right, uh, from the east to Jerusalem, saying, Where is he that is born king of the Jews? For we have seen his star. Well, that's not strange because the heavens testify of him. Right? They declare his glory. So they're doing what they're supposed to do. They're declaring his glory, right? Uh and are come to worship him. When Hera the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judea, here it is, right? Here's the operative part. For thus it is written. So the only way they knew about the star is that they had heard something that was written about it. So it was from the word, it wasn't from the star. Because had they not gotten the word, the star wouldn't have meant nothing.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_07:They would have had no idea what it was. It wasn't the star. Yeah, so you got people running, God ain't have no problem. Listen, they say it for what it's written, fool. That's almost like saying what came first, the chicken or the egg. You get what I'm saying? So they act like they act like the star was there before the word. No, if you hadn't heard what was written, you'd have just said, man, that's just a moving star. You get what I'm saying? It's bright, but what? But because you remember what was written, now the star has it. So, you know, people just they they they don't they don't put the right people on these talk shows. I wish they put me on them because they just all that foolishness, it's an abomination. It is an abomination in a detriment. It is. And we got believers that are getting behind this, that that are aligning themselves with it. Well, what you gonna do when stars fall? You know?
SPEAKER_04:Because they're gonna fall.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, what about the fallen stars? You know, if that's what you believe they are. Jesus, God said he put them in heaven, gave them all a name. Yeah, yeah. That's insane. I wrote something how awesome God is. Check this out, y'all. Now we've all through a microscope, we can see, we can see some of the planets, right? But check this out. It would take 545 years by plane to get to Neptune. It would take 330 years to get to Uranius. It would take 152 years by plane to get to Saturn, 79.6 years to get to Jupiter, Mars, it would take 10 years, five years to get to Venus, and 11 years. I forgot what that other planet was up there. I my camera wouldn't let me get it. Whatever that other camera, it would take 11 years to get. Now we are able to see it through a telescope. But if we would try to go there, it would take us years to get to it. Then we don't have. Yeah, we can see stars, but no, no man has ever been close enough to it.
SPEAKER_04:No. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Wow. That's just amazing. That's amazing how God is. It is. So even when you think you're close, you ain't close. You years. You think you're close and you years away. My God.
SPEAKER_04:And I'm hundreds of years away.
SPEAKER_07:Hundreds of yeah, yeah, and you you're gonna sit here and try to tell me you're gonna look to that to try to find out about you.
SPEAKER_02:And and the it's like, again, like I can see how people can sometimes get caught up in the creation that you forget about the creator. Absolutely. I mean, because when you think about like these planets and each have their own orbit, each have their own different atmosphere, some the even the rings are made of the city. It's is it is something to behold. It is. But I mean, me, I it would make, I guess the way my mind works, I would it would make me seek out more of the creator to see how how could something like this be made. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, you sound like David now. In Psalms 8, he says, When I consider the heavens, the works of thy fingers, the moon and the stars which thou hast ordained. What is man that thou art mindful of him and the son of man that thou visited him? Watch this though, for thou hast made him a little lower than the angels. Now, that word angel there, it's a bad interpretation from the English. It's really the word Elohim. So man has been made lower than Elohim. You get what I'm saying? And and has crowned him with glory and honor. Thou madeest him to have dominion over the works of your hands. What are those hands? The sun, moon, and stars. So we got dominion over it. Why would I look for understanding from something that I have dominion over? It don't make no sense. We're lowering ourselves. Lowering.
SPEAKER_02:We just it just goes to show we we don't know who we are. We don't.
SPEAKER_07:God made man in his image and in his likeness and said, let them have dominion. Fish of the sea, fowls of the air over all the earth and every living thing that creepeth upon the face of the earth.
SPEAKER_02:Then he said we should be doing greater work.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04:Absolutely. Absolutely. But you know, it is like we the Bible says no new thing under the sun. We saw that same thing with with the Israelites when they were out there in the wilderness, and by the time Moses came back, they have made gods to worship. How do you, you know, you worship something that you made and esteeming from it, and and it's just it's it's illogical and and even just a natural in a natural mindset.
SPEAKER_02:Is it like a sense of need? I guess for some of them, like I guess they have a doubting Thomas syndrome, like a need of needing to see. You know, needing to see something in order. Like, I don't that's what I feel. I feel like why would you do that when you know?
SPEAKER_03:We don't take the time to practice and train our minds to seek God and see him in everything. So we look to what we can see instantly. Oh, absolutely. So you can see a star instantly, you can see a tree instantly instead of taking time to learn of God and learn his word. Right.
SPEAKER_07:Well, and their eyes were open. Yeah. Right. That that's what the that's what that fall did. And their eyes, it it it we we live off the basis of a need to know and a a control from a a see I can control, I can get some from the start and control, but it when it comes to God, it has to be not my will, but your will.
SPEAKER_03:You have to have that childlike manner with God.
SPEAKER_07:You think you're in control at least with the butt you know, I I thought about this when I was when this coming on the show, like, okay, where are the astrologers getting the information from of knowing what my mood swing is supposed to be like this way?
SPEAKER_03:Correct, because they always talk about I'm stubborn and moody, Pastor. That's not true.
SPEAKER_07:So it it's they they have to look to the sun. The sun and the aligning of the of the planets and stuff let them know. So I'm like, how do you get emotions from aligning of planets?
SPEAKER_02:That makes sense.
SPEAKER_07:Like, what gives that information to you?
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna say I have been guilty, Pastor, because working with the public, when a full moon comes, it's like y'all be showing y'all selves crazy when it's a full moon.
SPEAKER_07:So I I am Well, you know, I I again I I think that we're con we we shouldn't allow that to blend into um I can't even think of the terminology now of what happens when we have a full moon. It's not vibrations, it's something with the tide and yeah, all that type of. Yeah, yeah, I yeah, I don't I don't I think that we do have some some connection in a way to those things. I but I don't think we need to those things need to be separated. Almost like when we talk about um people needing to get uh therapy. I you know it some people just need to take accountability. You know, I messed up, you know what I'm saying? And then some people you really, really need to go and sit down and talk to somebody. But if we just put it all in the same bowl and we don't and and and we murk it, then we don't, you know what I'm saying? We make everybody seem like they have a problem when there's no temptation taken that is common to man. So that's just some common stuff that you need to you just need to get some boldness about yourself and learn how to how to make it through. You're not losing your mind, just you know. And so I think we've done the same thing with this. And I was trying to think, I'm trying to, as I was talking, I was trying to think of some of that scientific terminology. Um uh, but I do believe that the way God created us, when you're talking about full moons, when you're talking about uh it raining, like I knew my grandmother before she transitioned, uh, she knew when it was about to get cold. You know, she just like my arthritis is like starting to flare up and like what? Two days, two days later, it gets cold. You know, she's like, I knew it was coming. You know, so I I believe that there is some connection with this body, with with this world that we live in. There is some some magnetic connections, if you will. I don't think that that is to be categorized with astrology, with with looking to the stars for direction. I think those things are separate.
SPEAKER_04:And I I think honestly, we should know if we're in dominion.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:We should know. Yeah, you know, and a lot of times too, I'm sorry, a lot of times too, I think with the full moon thing, uh, you even see people with uh post on Facebook, oh, it's full moon, folks about to start acting. So to me, I think also it's expectation and bandwagoning. Oh, the moon to be full tomorrow, you know. Right. You you feel yeah, you feel like that's that's when it changes you. And so you just give into whatever you feel like is it's changing you. Whereas one day maybe you have been more level-headed, you know, like I'm gonna see the big bridge, but oh, today's a full moon. Let me just, you know, lit it out. Let me crash out.
SPEAKER_02:The crazy thing is, as you were just talking, like something just hit it just came off me. I'm like, there should be a connection with us because we were made from the dust of the ground. So with us being made from the dust of the ground, there should be a connection with us when we can sense certain things because we're part of the whole uh symbiotic um part of the creation because everything was made to go together perfectly. Absolutely. So with us being made from the, you know, formed from the dust of the ground, we should be able to feel things because we're part of it. Yeah. We're the completion of the ecosystem.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_07:We are the completion of the ecosystem. So yeah, you but I I like as Eric was saying, I don't think we need, we have to make sure we keep those two things separate from each other. It's that blending that gives the astrology the permission rather than saying, no, this ain't that. That's that's not that's not what we're talking about. You make sure you keep that separate right there. Right. Because that's not what we're talking about. Right.
SPEAKER_03:So what all falls under astrology? Is it just like the stars and a horoscope? Is it tarot cards? Or what all falls under that?
SPEAKER_07:Uh what you just said, the star, reading, reading of the stars, uh, horoscopes. Basically, that that is what astrology provides. Um, then you got nucromancy. Um when you're talking about tarot cards and stuff like that, that's witchcraft.
SPEAKER_06:Right?
SPEAKER_07:And then so you got centeria, you got a whole bunch of other things that fall up under those different categories, but astrology is simply the stars. It's the reading of the stars. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Uh it's it's you know, it's just fascinating. My uh kids and my fifth graders, we're studying in science, uh the moon phases and inner and outer planets and waxing and waning and things and stuff, you know, like that. And uh how everything is connected. Um Ari and I were talking about this. I'm coming from the point where we say we should know and that we are, you know, basically connected to it. Magnetism, all of that stuff. It's so fascinating uh how how interdependent and interintegrated we are with everything and all of us and and the earth. It's very fascinating. Um that made me think about this. We should hear Holy Spirit even even okay. Let's say Aaron and I talked about this before. Um we were talking about Jackie Hill Perry, right? And how she was saying that she was hearing, you know, from God. This was even before that, uh before she was saved, before she gave her life to Christ. And she said she knew that it was God. And uh at first I felt like um that didn't make sense because I've known a lot of people say that they have always felt the hand of God on their life, even when they were, you know, out of pocket. Uh but just now this conversation is giving me clarity about that. We should be able to hear uh from Holy Spirit because we are so connected to him as he is connected to us. Um and it made me think about the scripture also while we were yet saying as Christ died for us, when we were enemies against him, you know, he he's still doing all these things for us. And uh the connection is undeniable. But like you said too, uh, if we if we're not taught that that's the voice of God, we'll say it's intuition, or we'll say it's a gut feeling, we'll give it the credit to anything else. Uh the stars told me, you know, uh the hairs were standing up in my head, and I knew, you know, all kinds of things. And and even with um admiration turning into worship, I think it happens easily too, because we were created to worship and we're just worshiping the wrong things.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And and that desire never goes away. We we think it does. We find ourselves worshiping anything, ourselves, clothes, cars, houses, people, right? Anything, music, children, anything. Yeah, yeah. It's a part of our makeup. It's a part of our makeup. It's a part of our makeup.
SPEAKER_07:I think people also would rather turn to horoscopes and astrology because uh there's no there's no found fault, right? Like, say for instance when we talk about the Bible, well, if God is, why he let us go through slavery? And where was he at when we when you look at the stars, they ha they have no they they have no earthly charge per se, right? So I can I can trust the stars, I can trust uh the astrology because they've done nothing. It it hit it does nothing more than tell me who I am. And now what I choose to do with that is what I choose to, but what you can't what you can't determine what you're choosing to do with it because it's telling you who you are. Right? But while at the same time, I can't point at it and say, Well, why you let us go through slavery all these years? Why the white man, you know, and all those type of questions. You don't have that barrier when you are exposing yourself to a stride.
SPEAKER_04:Right, right. And there's no accountability, yeah. Yeah, and it encourages, you know, oh, absolutely. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And you don't have to wait and listen because if you ask God, if you go to God and ask him why did we have to go through slave slavery, I'm sure if you sit with him with that, he's gonna give you a godly answer on whatever your question is.
SPEAKER_07:So I think that's another podcast. We talk about slavery a little bit.
SPEAKER_03:I was reading on that this morning in Exodus about slavery.
SPEAKER_04:Cause I I've, you know, again, very curious. I find a lot of things fascinating.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I uh I always wanted to know what was the power switch, you know what I'm saying? That used to be the thing that really was like, how did there's there's no way in my mind, you know, especially back then as uh a young person, exploring myself and teetering on uh you know, I was right here on the edge. I just wasn't fool enough to to let it go. Yeah. I looked at it and like, oh yeah. But uh I always wondered, you know, what the power switch was. And there's no way, you know. And we think about um African Americans and and Africans. And okay, let's let's say it like this, because I don't want to sound uh racist. Let's okay, like when a football team is playing on their home field, there's naturally more there. I feel like they will be more relaxed. Because they're at home. They they know home, it's familiar to them. Uh in my house, I can walk through my house in the dark and and know where I'm at. So to me, I would always be like, there's no way people came to a place they they've never really been to. All these booby traps and people knowing where they at. It has to be an inside job. It had to be an inside job to me. Uh and then when I when I go and read in the scripture, and I'm seeing where Egyptians were uh enslaving other Africans essentially. We always talk about the white man this and the white man that, but we're in we're in Genesis. We're in a region and all of us are us. And then you you see in Africa where they they even had slaves. I felt like, you know, I would I would be in cursor. That was that was definitely one of my questions. Why did he let this and why did he let that? And you feel like, especially reading in the old testament where it says uh it might say God told him to kill all of this and kill all of that, or uh God kill and you know, you you just hear God getting the credit for all these these crazy things. So your mind is already pointing to one direction, a certain direction anyway.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Um but reading, you know, reading and coming to the knowledge of things, you you see, and then in the scripture I think it tells us that he told them they was getting ready to go into slavery. Um and then a lot of times we saw them being captive and enslaved out of disobedience. Yep. So I think there's one too many other stuff.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, one scripture that that changes everything, and that is when he said, Let them have dominion.
SPEAKER_04:Let them have dominion.
SPEAKER_07:It's it's it it is a it is a redistribution of order. The moment he said that, he established the hierarchy and even to himself how he would operate. And and you he can't he could not just come into the earth and do whatever he wanted to do when he put man in charge.
SPEAKER_02:He couldn't. I tell people that I'm I'm just like, when people say certain things, like sometimes you have to give clarity. Like when they tell my um God can do anything he wants to do, he wants to do it. I'm like, in essence, can he? Yes. Well, will he? No, because that's not the way he established it. And he got he's not gonna go against his own words. He's not so if you're gonna if you don't go through that entire breakdown like that, then just be quiet. Just don't. You don't start failing, it's not gonna make sense. And then they let them say, well, they know what I meant. No, they didn't. No, they didn't.
SPEAKER_04:No, he had to be specific. Because that definitely was uh things that threw me off. Um and so, like I say, you know, out of time that came the right way, I learned uh the the authenticity of what it really meant. And it was easy for me to receive because I always had issues with it anyway when I was young, you know. So the sovereignty and and like you said, um being told that God can do what he wants to do. And like you say, when I this is one of the most um craziest lines I had ever heard, but I wholeheartedly agreed with it right away. When you was like, if God's in charge, then he's doing a horrible job. Horrible job. I remember that. And I was like, yes. Absolutely. I was so sorry. I was glad.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And and realizing that he he gave us control, and and I was like, dang, it's clear, it's right here. Right. The things that he gave us control of.
SPEAKER_02:Don't you love when Pastor be up there talking, he'll do that little choke, he'd be like, Y'all don't reap.
SPEAKER_04:Y'all don't reap. Or I mean he'd say maybe I shouldn't say that. I'd be like, say for real.
SPEAKER_07:That was a lot, wasn't it? It was.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, it was delicious to me. Again, like I said, because uh I had issue with it anyway. Yeah. And it it made it made more sense. He can't be in control. If he's the good guy that he said he is, and the y'all powerful guy that he said he is, I had issue with that. Because what in the world, bro? Are you drunk? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And then and then another one that got me was when he said, Um, so you mean to tell me that, you know, the Bible says this is goodness that leads to repentance. Right. So he'll go through all this to get you, but now he'll let certain stuff happen to you to get to get your attention. Like that makes absolutely no sense. No sense at all, man.
SPEAKER_07:No sense at all. It it's it's you know, even when we talk about the story of Job, you've heard me say this before. You cannot develop a doctrine off one scripture, the Bible has more to say about it. Absolutely. Right. And so I've just just kind of just been padding my mind with that more and more. I feel like I'm getting ready to do a message on it. But Satan, Satan knows order. And he knew that there was an order that that got that he couldn't go around. Right. He knew that there was a hedge around Job. Right? And he told God, if you remove the hedge, he was actually telling God that he had a right to him, so that part of the hedge you gotta you gotta tear it down. And Ecclesiastes 10 and 8 says, He that diggeth the pit shall fall into it, and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him. So what happened to Joel? His fear caused the hedge to be brought down in that area of his life. He got bit. And got bit. Wow. So even Satan know it. I can't get to nobody unless they tear the hedge down. So you think all these folks circle back around to our topic? All these people following the horoscope, they don't understand. They have a hedge. They've removed it. They've removed the hedge. Opening themselves. Because now you're following his order. You're an open target for the enemy. But he don't want you yet because you're not in deep enough.
SPEAKER_02:He's a sifter.
SPEAKER_07:Right. See, he said he was out his throne. So he got to enthrone you first. Just one following, and it's not enough. It's not until you build your whole life around it.
SPEAKER_03:My Lord.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, he wants you to build your whole life around it. Once you built your whole life around it, he got you right where he wants you. He can tell you to do anything.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you ain't too deep now.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. Yep. That's what he's working on. And so, you know, in this book by uh by um Marilyn Hickey is the signs in the heavens, uh, you know that there are sub uh subs subsigns under the sign. So like you got the sign Virgo, but you also got like three other three other constellations under that that represent something else. Yeah, it's it's it's it's real deep. And so, you know, the deeper you gotta think about these people, they start naming angels and stuff like that. What he's trying to do is uh he's trying to uh uh um he he's depriving you of what those other constellations are, but he's putting angels in charge over you, demons actually, in charge over you. So when y'all was talking about uh when we first started, y'all said something I got moon. I'm a something but the moon, all that second stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. See, they don't even realize they're charging, they're charging spirits over them now.
SPEAKER_04:And you know what? It's just it's it's not funny. I'm, you know, chuckling out of realization. When you say the word charging, you know, a lot of people, they be taking beads and stones and putting them out in the sun and saying they're charging. Yeah. Charging the stone. Yeah. Charging it. Yeah. Yeah. That's not the right charge. Yeah, you're opening doors.
SPEAKER_07:That's not the right charge. Yeah, I be having people DM me telling me how I get out of this and stuff. I say, just go throw the stuff away. It's right away. It ain't hard. Just go throw it away and break the power of the enemy.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. The lady you said had the eggs.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, yeah, Lord. Egg. Spent$10,000 to go get two ball eggs. She could have blessed the right way. She could have, yes, Lord, she could hang out. But you know, that's what people want something that they feel like they can control, something tangible, like you said earlier. Yep. Something they can put their eyes on.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you for tuning in to this week's episode of Something Like Sunday School. This has been the first half of this episode entitled Celestial. Be sure to tune in and hear the rest of the conversation and some thought provoking topics in part two available right now.