Somethin' Like Sunday School

Celestial Part 2

• Zactrese Williams • Season 6 • Episode 10

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We challenge the pull of horoscopes and redirect attention to the Holy Spirit, practical witness, and generous living that proves what we preach. Through Scripture rereads and real stories, we map a path from signs in the sky to a life led from within.

• gentle questions that move people from zodiac talk to real study
• witness over words as the apologetic that convinces
• humility redefined as sourced power, not passivity
• prosperity held in check by generosity and purpose
• prophecy vs psychics and why mixture misleads
• Magi myths clarified and design language for abomination
• rereads on the alabaster box and Adam’s covering
• types and shadows pointing to Christ across Scripture
• hearing God’s warnings, training to discern the Spirit
• fasting from information to recover attention and community

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So like what is a gentle way to try to let them know that you know if you continue in that, you could be going down the wrong path and bringing the wrong things into your life?

SPEAKER_01:

I think educate them. I I would say, like, okay, talk to me about that constellation.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

What does it represent? Let's see, you say you say you say you're canceled, but it's it's actually a constellation. So talk to me about it. And now they stuck. And be like, do you know that that's an assimilation of stars? And go, I want you to go find out what though what those stars are. Go look it up, go study it out. Where is it at? You know, and just start having that con that maybe engage them back to a truthful conversation. Because my mindset is always that you can't you can't share the gospel until a shelf is there. You know, and so I would educate them on okay, do you have knowledge of the constellation? It's a constellation, so do you have knowledge of that? And if you don't, go study it out. It's not a horoscope, it's a constellation. And now that's gonna trigger them, hopefully, to go and do some homework, and they'll recognize, whoa, it's not it what it's not a horoscope, it's a constellation.

SPEAKER_04:

You know, we um like you say, me and my children, we were studying that um this week and last week. Uh, and it talked about a different uh constellation, it's Leo than Lion. So that's you know, that's where they would say uh there Leo's and Orion and the Big Dipper, Little Dipper, uh so many of them. And it uh me and you know, my children and I, they just uh they was just eating it up and they was just so fascinated with it over it. I said, Lord, what should I say to my children to be like, um okay you know we just learning about it, you know, to know about it, not you know, not because we're gonna be ruled by this or whatever. And um, but but like you know, what you said, how do you how do you redirect them? I just told my nephew, you know, he's older now, he's 18. And coming up in social media era and where they just really pushing this stuff. I told him, you know, we're not ruled by zodiac signs, we're led by the Holy Spirit. I don't, you know, there's no other way to say it. And I told him, you know, don't attach yourself to that. Don't be going around asking people what that sign is or whatever.

SPEAKER_01:

So, you know, I I I had this thought earlier today. I knew we were gonna be here tonight, and I said, God didn't put anything above us, he put someone in us.

SPEAKER_04:

Wow, not above.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, so people are looking out when they should look in. That is so good. Yeah, he put something in us. He didn't we don't have to look out of ourselves, we look into ourselves. The greater one abides in us. Greater is he who is in me than he that is in the world. Yeah. So you need to look into yourself, not outside of yourself. Yeah, and I think that would be a safe way too, that God put greatness in you. So while you're looking out to something outside of, absolutely. Yeah, to be ruled by and to be to be under the foot of for real. And I think it's something that gotta be taught. I'm gonna um I've made up my mind that I'm gonna teach it. I'm gonna teach it one one day in church. I just want to make sure I get my I'm real settled on being born under you know, certain months and stuff and how that plays. We don't have to accept that. Um but man, man is uh man is born in sin and shapened in iniquity. And so I believe that those mannerisms can possibly be there with a group of people born in certain months. I believe those mannerisms can be there, but that does not mean that we look to the stars to figure out what else is there. That's all that is there because man is fallen. And so we need to be born again, we need to renew our mind, and we need to have a dependency upon the Holy Spirit. Yes, we do. That's it. And let the star, I I believe that Jesus in his fulfillment brought everything into himself. So he is all that we need. Once that star led the Magi's over Jesus, that means the signs and the seasons, which we do still get signs and seasons from the stars, because Genesis says that's why they're there. But that star let us know that this is the one that we look to, right? Um when Jesus went down in the water, he came up out of the water, Holy Spirit lighted upon him as a dove. Jesus took the power out the water and put him in himself. So yeah, we do get baptized, but the power is in Jesus because he took the authority out of the water and put it in him. And so I think Jesus is all we all we need, and everybody keeps looking for everything else and all these other things when all we need is Jesus.

SPEAKER_02:

That's it. I remember one thing you always say that always stick with me. Only the creator of a thing can tell you about it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's it. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02:

Only the creator can tell you.

SPEAKER_01:

That's you know, you think about that. That hurts that that we would take our Cadillac, our new Cadillac car back to Cadillac. We take our Lincoln car to the Lincoln dealership. You know, Mercedes, we're gonna, it's new, we're going back to the Mercedes dealership. We're the only we're the only thing that God made in his image and in his likeness, but we go to everything else rather than back to the one.

SPEAKER_04:

I was reading in the scripture and it was talking about how um everything in creation obeys God. Obeys God just does it, except for us. Except for us. Except for us.

SPEAKER_01:

We the only thing. That he died to win back at that. Yeah, that he died to win back.

SPEAKER_02:

To get us back, and we still it's amazing how we talk about uh we talk about Israel and all that, and I'm like, we're no better. And we have and we have more information than they did and still do the same thing.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a won to.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's a want to. You see all them symbolists.

SPEAKER_02:

No new thing under the sun. It just repeats itself. I'm waiting on that book. No new thing. I'm waiting on that book you said you was gonna write, it came out the Bible. What book? It came out the Bible. Ain't nothing new. You said everything that they that the world uses is it came out the Bible. Oh, yeah, yeah, it came out the Bible. Yeah, you better believe that, man.

SPEAKER_01:

Everything. Everything, everything. It all came out the Bible. It did.

SPEAKER_02:

And ever since you read that scripture, it's like I've been seeing it more and more. Like you said, the scripture that you dislike in the Bible, that's so true. When it said um the children of this world are wiser than the children of life. They are they are applying biblical principles and are being successful.

SPEAKER_01:

They believe it. They believe it works. We just gotta get that same grief. Yeah, we do. We were we were robbed of that. We we I think that false the false humility message and it was just mist taught to us, and we we took humility and became passive. Right? And that's not what humility humility doesn't mean that you're passive. Um it just means that you know where who where the power comes from. Um and we took that and just came real soft, and I believe a you know, when that I think a part of that song is right, go to the enemy camp, took back what the devil stole. Some folk need to go get their boldness, they grit, they drive. Because, you know, we threw it all away. We just said all of Jesus, but he was like, I ain't intend for you to leave that over there. That belonged to me. I wanted to use that. Go get that big mouth. Let me just shape it. Right, let me just shape it. Yeah, let me shape it. That was a part of a part of your life. You need that big mouth. Yeah, I need that. I just don't want it big the way you had it be. Right. But I want it. And we just left it all. We were told to leave all of that and follow Jesus. And Jesus, like, that is not what I said. I said, come to me and I'll shape all of that. Yeah. And I'll I'll cut off what needs to be. I'll prune. Right. That that beareth no fruit, he taketh away. That's what the scripture says. And then if it's bearing fruit, he'll purge it, sort of bring forth. But we made everybody throw everything away. Now we're trying to build everybody back up with something that they should have came with in the first place. In the first place. Yep. Help us our holy God. Yep. And I think that's what makes a lot of believers mad and look to other stuff.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Not only does it make them mad, it makes the children mad. You have a whole whole generation that was dedicated to church, to God, but continue being impoverished. And the children don't go to church because they never saw that the stuff. I don't blame them. That's supposed to me neither.

SPEAKER_01:

You can't blame him. You can't blame him. Jesus, you know, there's a scripture talking about the tithe. Jesus said, You've robbed me. Even this whole nation. Even the whole nation. I'm like, how I robbed you. It couldn't have been the tithes and offerings because I'm returning that to you. So I didn't rob you with the tithes and offerings. What did I rob you? He said, by not tithing, you robbed me of letting people see how I take care of you. Yeah. Lavishing it on you. That the lavish lifestyle I want to put on you, you robbing me of doing it. They supposed to look, you the light. You the light. Yeah. They supposed to look at you and see a difference on you. That's supposed to be a lavishness on you. That's supposed to be attractive and appealing, and folks supposed to want it who don't have it, and you robbing me from putting it on you.

SPEAKER_04:

And honestly, that's the attraction of celebrity. Oh, yes, yes. Absolutely. Back to the stars. It got it. Back to the stars.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, we're supposed to be representing the brighter morning star. People only want one star. That's it.

SPEAKER_04:

One star, one light. That's it. That's it. Use me, Lord. For your glory. Lord God.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_02:

Send me, y'all go. Send me.

SPEAKER_01:

It's supposed to be something on us. I'm telling you, it's supposed to be something on us that's supposed to be this. The Bible says this latter house is supposed to be greater than the former. And Solomon took seven years to build that house, and he said Silver was uh like rocks. It was so plentiful, it was like rocks on the ground. If this is supposed to be greater than that, what we supposed to be looking like? Right. It supposed to be something on us, man. But that ain't, you know, you teach like that. There you go with that prosperity stuff. And well, the earth is his. All of it is his. The silver and the gold is his. You mean to tell me he he owned it, but don't want his children to have it? Don't want to share it right.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. And then the thing is, how it's like, how can you have this, like the false humility and the you always talking about um it don't take all that, but how can you be a blessing to someone? It it takes money.

SPEAKER_04:

It takes money.

SPEAKER_02:

Like you got so many people that you have so much to say, but when somebody is in need, you don't have nothing to offer other than a prayer. They the prayer is cool, but they they need your finances.

SPEAKER_04:

That's also the attraction for gang life. Right. Oh, absolutely. But especially, you know, and it was just really, you know, they saw the money. And that we and and you'll hear the young guy say, I saw my mama struggling. Yep. Yep. I the money is gonna, it's the it's the answer to now. It is money.

SPEAKER_02:

Just talking about that. I see the money. They get that that it's like I see why they battle so much with money because it truly does answer with all things. It said, if he didn't want you to have it, why would he give you so many warnings on what to do with the money? Like Pastor even taught a series on generosity. That that's that's what helps keep the balance when you're generous.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, absolutely and money being a currency. Right. That's all you need.

SPEAKER_01:

All you need is generosity. You only need a warning if you're gonna have something. If you're gonna be by it, you're gonna be with it. Yeah. That's the only time you need a warning, right?

SPEAKER_04:

That's the only time. Other than that, ignorance is bliss. Because you don't you don't need it.

SPEAKER_02:

And he's not a waster of words.

SPEAKER_01:

He's not a waster of words. So I think that that's why a lot of people are turning to a lot of outside stuff because those of us who are supposed to be the right representatives of him, we're we're still not doing a good job, right? We're not. We're still not doing a good job. And and when we give them, if man looks at the outer appearance, my motto is give them something to look at.

SPEAKER_04:

Give him something to look at.

SPEAKER_01:

Give him something to look at.

SPEAKER_04:

That's what, who is that? Um, what's the name? Just give them something to talk about.

SPEAKER_01:

Just give it to him. Yeah, give him something to talk about. Absolutely. When they see the light, they people are drawn to the people in darkness, are drawn to the light. But if the light looks dark, yeah, they don't want it. Yeah, I don't want it. You look no different than me. You just shouting Jesus, but you look no different than me. And nothing, nothing different about your situation. Be looking worse. Yeah, so I'm I'm I'm committed that we we gonna look like something. They they should want us by what they see. They should. Yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04:

That's the first, that's the first one to come take, really. Seeing a thing. Yeah. That's attraction.

SPEAKER_02:

And the crazy thing is, it don't take much. Like, I try to be more intentional. Like, ever since he taught on generosity, he always says, do it at the level that you're at. Because you know, sometimes we get in ourselves, we want to do these, these, uh, these bold things. And I'm like, well, you may not be at bold right now. Right. But at whatever level you own, start there. Because like the smallest thing, people they'll be like, I got it. I say, Well, it's it's not about you having it. I'll always be like, if you allow me to, I'd I'd like to purchase it for you. No, I got it. No.

SPEAKER_04:

And it and a lot of times it's pride because you taught that, not to take stuff from people. We taught that. So I tell them, well, just make my day. And you you insist me and make it my day.

SPEAKER_01:

And let me buy this coffee. Come on, Lord. What you say? You saying use me, Lord, and I'm blessed.

SPEAKER_02:

But then when the blessing comes, I like to receive my blessings with both hands. Amen. Well, that's right.

SPEAKER_04:

But that had to be taught, that had to be corrected. That had to be corrected in me. I definitely be like, oh no, that's all right, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_02:

Right, because we go to folks' house, stomach just all that food just smelling so delicious, and you better not ask for nothing. I'm talking about the aroma hits you when you get out of the car before you get in the house. I'm like, oh boy, I'm finna eat good, and then they turn around and be like, you better not ask for nothing.

SPEAKER_04:

Telling you the lie.

SPEAKER_02:

How dwell it the love of God in you? No, you just heard my stomach roll. Somebody don't ask for that house to you.

SPEAKER_04:

No it's not a good thing. No it's a wanna peanut sandwich tonight. Right. You know this hit when that's what you want, but we're gonna have to.

SPEAKER_02:

Grandma got this, grandma got this good fried chicken and greens and cornbread and macaroni and cheese.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so the thing, you know, guys, you think about it. If we if we don't offer them a better alternative, right, us just telling them it's wrong is doing what? Absolutely nothing.

SPEAKER_03:

Making them reveal more. I've been saying it, really increasing the and I'm talking to you firsthand.

SPEAKER_01:

That took a if, if, if, if the best way for me to tell you that what you're doing doesn't work is to provide witness of something that does. But if I'm just sitting here telling you that that don't work and I'm empty-handed, right? Why would I believe you? Why would I believe you? I I have nothing to argue with. Although what I'm saying is right, right. I have no witness. Right. Yeah. Right? He said, You should be a witness for me. Not just a mouthpiece. You're supposed to be a witness. So there should be something with me that bears witness of what I'm saying. Right. And if that if it's not that, then you you you in the same situation I'm in. Your star not working and mine not working.

SPEAKER_03:

Like a courtroom. You gotta have the evidence to plead your own. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. So I'm telling you, that come on, Eric. I'm telling you, I'm trying to tell you about a bright morning star, and you telling me about your stars, and neither one of us have proof. So neither one. I don't, I don't, you really don't have a foot to stand on. You stick with your star, I'm gonna stick with mine. Absolutely. And here's what Elijah said. Okay, come on, put wet the wood, baby. Your God on vacation. Now step out the way. Let me show you how it's done. Wet the wood, he calls on this God. Bible says he burnt the wood, licked up the uh licked up the water, got him something to drink to, and then he cut all their heads off.

SPEAKER_03:

Elijah was bad. He bad.

SPEAKER_01:

But he had witness though. Right. Yeah. Right? He had undeniable, irrefutable, tangible proof every time. And that's what we that's what we gotta have. We can't just keep saying Lord, Jesus can do it. We need undeniable, irrefutable, tangible evidence that he can.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, he can. Yeah, he's able. Yeah. And like you say, you tell us all the time, too. That he went, he went in witness first, honestly. He did. He was healing people. He did.

SPEAKER_01:

He did something for him.

SPEAKER_04:

He went in and witnessed first.

SPEAKER_01:

He got him saying he got it. Jesus got almost everybody say we're witnessed.

SPEAKER_04:

Witness. Witness first.

SPEAKER_01:

Eat till you full, man. I'm rocking, I'm rolling with you, bro. Where are we going next?

SPEAKER_04:

And I just seen them pass this look. Two fish with five of them. Oh, that's right. We full, and then they taking up remnants.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, water in the wine, you got the best one.

SPEAKER_02:

This shark is a good one.

SPEAKER_04:

Bubbly. Well, what Martin M you say? I'm going with you. That's real though. When they saw that man that um who was blind from birth. Yeah. What?

SPEAKER_02:

It'd be crazy that they just showed the ungratefulness of people when he healed the ten lepers and only one came back. They say, thank you. Let's help us all hold.

SPEAKER_01:

He just came with witness. He didn't say nothing about going to hell.

SPEAKER_04:

He ain't went witness first.

SPEAKER_01:

Fed them folk, them folk followed him.

SPEAKER_04:

Easily. And you know what? Again, this is what the world do. This what the world do. I'm gonna give you this and I give you that. And you you end up following them. Knowing it it's a bad decision. I feel like people be knowing in their heart of hearts it's a bad decision. But you looking at the things that you you feel like they got that you need, you know, and that can make your life better. And you like, well, it can't be that bad.

SPEAKER_03:

But the wrong witness bringing the right temptation. Right. The right things.

SPEAKER_02:

Good. You you all right over there. You is just reveling. She be dropping them. That's her new nickname, Nugget. Dropping nuggets.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh God.

SPEAKER_03:

Not Mississippi.

SPEAKER_01:

I was trying to find the scripture said, pray that you prophesy. And you know, you think about it. People are looking to the horoscopes for prophecy.

SPEAKER_04:

For prophecy.

SPEAKER_01:

But if we if we position ourselves to hear from God, not only for us, but on the behalf of others, then we can give them from the bright and morning star what they look to stars for.

SPEAKER_04:

Absolutely. And then, you know, uh it's funny that you said that also. Well, not funny, I I believe it's divine. Um, you were talking about prophecy. Uh Aaron and I talk a lot, so you know, let me say this again. Uh she and I were talking about um what are they called? Psychics, and you've talked about this too. Uh and and that's what people are looking for from them also, prophecy. And we talked about gifts, me and you know, giving from God is just on the wrong team. So in essence, again, we we I feel like we see the enemy at work again. He's mixing the truth in there. They're gonna say something that gets those people's attention. You're like, oh, you gotta be real. This gotta be real.

SPEAKER_02:

They can tell you, they can tell you one truth and ten lies. Yeah, but you roll your own. You but how you stuck with those ten lies.

SPEAKER_04:

My heart just goes out to people, and it just do, I say, Lord, they could have easily been mean. Yeah, oh absolutely. Any of us. And I was listening to um Tamar Braxton one time, and she was like, uh-huh. And again, because amidst teaching, you feel like, oh, this is a valid point. She's like, she didn't see the difference between prophets and psychics. And she didn't see the difference between something and I was like, oh my God, people are gonna agree with this and attest themselves to this. And I was just like, Jesus. How you know, how can we bust this stuff up? How can we get the truth out there? Because to them it's gonna seem like true. I even see where people was like um Jesus was doing spells. Yeah, you know, stuff like this.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, they don't read. They they they they Google, copy, paste. Yeah, people don't really read. They don't read. Yeah, people don't read. Like the the same thing we read earlier about in in um Matthew 2. People said, see, um God sent the wise men, uh, God led the wise men by the stars. God didn't lead the wise men. They saw the star, uh uh uh and they followed the star because of what had been prophesied. You you get what I'm saying? But they what they was trying to make it seem like was that those were God men. The Magi's weren't God's men. They weren't God's men. Yeah, they weren't God's men. So you can you you find no there is no biblical character in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, a God sent person or a God follower that used a star to get any information. Not one. You won't find it. You won't find it. And so if you if you don't find if there's no new thing under the sun, and if we can if we supposed to go to the word, all scriptures given by the inspiration of God is profitable for doctrine, proof, correction, instruction, and right. Well, then we should be able to go to the word and find someone that sought the star for uh for an answer, and the star answered that would give you an eye permission to then go after stars, but we don't find it. No answer to it. Yeah, yeah. Only time you find is Matthew 2. When you go to the Old Testament, Deuteronomy 19, Deuteronomy 5, Deuteronomy 8, he says, Don't follow no star, don't follow star, don't follow moon, don't follow any of it. For it is an abomination. Now he didn't say it was a sin. We did abomination is a sin, but it's a category of sin. Called it an abomination. So anytime something is categorized as an abomination, it is it is against the direct creation and nature for which God made a thing. That's what makes something an abomination.

SPEAKER_03:

Does that tie into blaspheming?

SPEAKER_01:

No. No abomination is is when when you do something that when you're doing or something that is against the direct nature and creation of a thing. So that's what makes it an abomination.

SPEAKER_04:

Really like the butter knife.

SPEAKER_01:

The butter knife is an abomination. It's for the butter. It is, it's for the butter.

SPEAKER_04:

Nails and screws.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02:

Anything that goes against nature, the natural order the natural order of it.

SPEAKER_01:

Anytime you're using something against the natural order of a thing, that's what makes it an abomination. Because that is not the way God made it. Right. And what you're saying is the way that I'm making it is right. Right. But that's not right because you're doing it against how it was made right.

SPEAKER_04:

My Lord. So that would so that would be even this. Living a certain way. Oh, it's the greatest spiritual defiance.

SPEAKER_01:

It's telling the creator that I'm no, I'm choosing how to create it. I'm choosing how it's gonna be, not you. Yep. That's what makes a thing abominable.

SPEAKER_03:

You just made that proverb just open up your head. Yeah, even more.

SPEAKER_01:

So so when you're talking about following after the stars, you're you're telling God, I'm gonna, I'm, I'm gonna be the creator of them, and they're gonna answer to me. And God said they don't answer to you, they declare me. Even if stars got more sense than most people. Stars got most more sense. And they don't, they're not talking to you. It's Satan, exalting his strong. They gonna they're gonna talk to you. They're gonna transform themselves into angels of light and suck you right on off into it. There you go.

SPEAKER_03:

That's that familiar spirit in your sunken place. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yep. And they wonder why the levels of depression and is is so high nowadays. Yeah. The things that we subject ourselves to when we don't have to.

SPEAKER_01:

That's how you showing up. I I think in this day and time we got more spiritual sickness than anything.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, absolutely. You say I do what I want in the YOLO, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

All of that. Yep. That's spirit that spiritual sickness is real. You don't know what's going on. If you go to the doctor, they may not be able to find anything wrong, but they're gonna put you on something anyway. Yeah, it's spiritual sickness, people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's spiritual sickness. That's all it is. That's it.

SPEAKER_04:

And the way that it could just show up is in different ways is crazy. And they're not gonna be able to find out what it is. They can't call it.

SPEAKER_01:

No. Then you're gonna you're gonna take the medicine but still keep doing the same thing that got you sick.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm gonna walk around the hell, man of God. I ain't getting it enough.

SPEAKER_04:

I know that's real.

SPEAKER_02:

And it'd be so crazy, like when people say those scriptures, but they be so they still be so reckless with their mouth. I'll be like, uh check you though.

SPEAKER_04:

If you allow him, we'll check you.

SPEAKER_03:

I can get checked all the time.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, yeah. And you thinking that uh, you know, I just gotta get these out of my chair. I gotta see it, you know, yada yada.

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And it be the little things like my pastor, again, Pastor B was talking about like when they ask him how he's doing, when he said, I'm when I say I have adopted that. Amazing. I go on my job and they can see a mug on my face because I might be feeling the type of way, but the moment they ask me how I'm doing, I say, I'm amazing. He was like, how when I just saw, I said, sir, regardless of what my I'm choosing to say my day is amazing, despite what's going on, I'm still having an amazing day.

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Yeah, because this is the day. What the fuck?

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Come on, Nugget. Shut up, old day. Come on, Nugget. I will.

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I will. Okay, come on, come on.

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That's that holy singer. Right.

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Anointed, anointed.

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Oh, God.

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Busting up, right. This was good. Oh, yeah. I enjoyed it, and I was looking forward to it for a while. Now I was looking forward to it. This was good. I I know this is completely off topic, kind of. We we had worship night this past Friday, and you gave a revelation for the alabaster box. Oh boy. Yeah.

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That was absolutely I had to do a little study on the alabaster box. I see. Yeah, it had a stem at the top, so you would break the stem to pour the oil. Yeah. And what that would do, the stem was away from the oil, so it would always keep the oil fresh. Yeah. But she didn't break the stem, she broke the box.

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You just broke it out. Yeah.

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To the degree of your brain. To the degree of your brain.

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Yeah. And the revelation about the uh crucifixion. Yeah. Pointed on his head.

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Pointing on his head and his feet. Yeah.

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Yeah. It was delicious.

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You got it. She got a revelation.

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And uh it made me think of um uh the scripture talking about breaking up the fallow ground.

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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It seemed like it's always the women in the Bible that got it, though. That get it. Yeah, the woman with the uh issue of blood. She touched the hem of his garment. That's the finished part of the children. It's always the woman that got it. It wasn't woman. Martha, Martha, thou cumbered about.

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Y'all tell Adam thanks.

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Tell Adam thanks. You know, that's another revelation about Adam. Come on.

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What? Come on.

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Because I'm greedy. Yeah, well, so you know. Can you handle this? We read it. I bet it's something that I that you said. I think so too. So Adam didn't mess up, Eve did. The Bible says she was deceived. And I know when we read in Genesis, she gave also to Adam who was with her. We think that he was right beside her. That's how we always teach that. So I use the illustration of one day our kids, we were at Disney World, and Mashonda had left. She came up eating some ice cream, right? And she walked up beside me with some ice cream and said, taste this. Well, I was with her when I ate. But she ate before me. You get what I'm saying? So we were together because we was in the same place. But that don't mean when she first ate hers, she was right beside me. Yeah. Because she had already tasted it before she got to me. Okay, so Jesus is a second Adam, which means Jesus came to do like what Adam did. Well, what did Jesus do? He laid down his life. For his bride. For his bride. So what did Adam really do in the garden?

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He laid down his life. He was covering it.

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He was laying down his life. But he wasn't gonna leave his lady out of the day. Because that's what Ephesians 5 says, husband, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for it that he might present her. So Adam eating the fruit made way for God to provide sacrifice.

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That's a whole message for the husbands to be.

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Yeah. It is. That's really if you you can you can directly connect Genesis 2 to Ephesians 5. That's direct connect the two. That's yeah. Yep.

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My um my uncles, I had my uncles on here. Um that was the blueprint for the bridegroom.

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Oh wow.

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You used that illustration. It was delicious.

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Yeah, so you know, people people be talking about Adam is his. I'm like, man, y'all cut that out. Read, really read that thing. Understand. Understand what happened. The man laid down his life for his bride. That's what you're supposed to do. He said this is bone of my bone, flesh of my face. I said, God dog E, what you do? Get here. What'd you do? God dog. What did you do?

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Shoot, girl. Although you messed up, I love you enough. I got to leave you out there.

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I got to. I got to. I ain't got no choice. I got to eat it. I got to eat it. I can't leave it.

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He really was saying, Man, God, I didn't disobey the woman. I had to be with her. I had to take over.

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That's what he's saying. Yeah. That's what he's saying. And notice in God's response, he did not talk back to Adam.

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No. He went right to He went to Eve. Yeah. And told her.

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Yep, sure did. And then provided sacrifice.

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Yeah. Right away.

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Right away. Gave them a way to get back into fellowship.

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That's a message by itself. It is.

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It is. It really is. If we understood it. It's beautiful.

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It's beautiful. The Bible is so delicious. It's beautiful. Multifaceted.

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See, when we don't know that, we have what what we often do now is we have husbands and wives or even people and teachings fighting against each other. Rather than understanding what really took place there, the covering, the covering that happened as a result of that. And not the, not so much as the division that came upon them, but the covering that happened.

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Yeah.

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That laid a blueprint in the earth for Jesus to come and do for us what Adam did for Eve.

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So he was just making a commitment to the covenant that he made. That's all he was. Come on, boy. Preach now. I'm trying to get like airing with that. Them nuggets. Yes.

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All y'all got it.

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Coven the nuggets.

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It makes you think it be connecting dots. And I think that's, you know, it's beautiful.

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We we gotta go back and and really get into it's a lot of rereading we got to do. Because we we, you know, this western, which is okay. We know in part, we're here in part, and you know, thank God for grace and mercy. But like we we talked about when uh Noah cursed Cain, and uh we teach that that was a curse of color. Yeah, that he marked him. That's not what it was. Um that Ham actually slept with his mama. Oh my god.

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We were talking about that. Yeah, you saw that too. I see. That was crazy.

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Ham Ham slept with his. Oh, y'all saw it somewhere?

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We saw that a girl said that. My thumbs got moving. I just had to repeat it.

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Oh, a girl said it. She said that. Oh yeah, he did. Girl, uh uh, uh, I didn't know a girl said it, but yeah. Um but what happened was uh Schofield, uh, who was actually an officer in the um uh in the Civil War and Schofield Bible and study stuff, it actually went through all of our seminaries. He taught that it was a mark, and then Noah also said you would be to a lower state of human. And so, but he also lied and said that God cursed Ham. God didn't curse Ham because you can't curse what God has blessed. God bless Shem, Ham, and Japheth and Noah in Genesis 9. So Noah couldn't curse Ham, so he cursed his son Canaan. But that's where we get the Canaanites from, which moves through Sodom and Gomorrah. And if you look at the nature of that, that's where all that came from. Yeah, but Ham slept with his mama. So he did. Yeah. That's what so if you go to Leviticus 18, Leviticus 20, uh, to be uncovered, it doesn't mean that Noah was naked. Because if uh uh Leviticus 18 says that the uh the nakedness of the wife is the nakedness of the husband. And so it was uh um nakedness there doesn't mean with no clothes on. It's sexual immorality. She said that. She said that's it. Oh yeah, that's what sexuality is. Yeah, yeah. That's we had to follow the Bible as a progressive revelation.

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But wow. It did sound crazy.

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Exactly what happened though. And so the two brothers walked in backwards to cover mom and daddy up. Remember, Noah was drunk, so he didn't know what was going on. Yeah.

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Okay, that's a reread. That is, yeah, I definitely gotta go back and read that movie.

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Yeah, that's what that I know that. Google naked, you Google nakedness and it'll it'll blow your mind. Like, well, it deals with sex. It doesn't deal with not having clothes on.

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Yeah.

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She said that now, like, yeah. Like that might sound right.

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It sounded like he was making a yeah. No. I didn't, I gotta go see that.

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She did go uh to Leviticus, and uh, I know in numbers it was talking about, you know, it was going when they was forming a government and he was telling them, you know, not to sleep with your father's wife, and um not to sleep with the animals, you know, BCL, all that stuff.

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Well, you know, all you gotta do is go to uh what 1 Corinthians 5, right? No new thing under the sun. 1 Corinthians 5, the boy was sleeping with his mama, right?

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In 1 Corinthians 5?

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Boy was sleeping with his mama.

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He got rebuked, didn't he?

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No, they told him to put uh Paul said, put him out for the destruction of his, uh turn him over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh. Oh, y'all didn't know that? The boy was sleeping with his leave. 1 Corinthians 5, boy sleep with his mama.

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I remember it, but I thought he got rebuked.

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Mm-mm. He got rebuked, that kicked him out. Is it 1 Corinthians 5? Uh absent present. Let me make sure I put I thought I put you in the right one, or was it 2 Corinthians 5?

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That one should have his father's wife. Five and one is talking up, it says it is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles that one should have his father's wife.

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Yeah, it's fine.

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Okay, okay, yeah, yeah.

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And it's saying yeah, it just said the little one said the little one is saving for the destruction of the flesh. That his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

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Both sleeping with the dead and mama. Where that comes from? Way back there with no idea. Yeah. Yeah.

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My Lord, we're gonna study that out. My Lord.

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Exclamation point. A man has his father's wife. Exclamation point.

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Yep, that's filthy. My God. Yeah. That Bible got it's something else, man. It is, just got to, you know.

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And people do this. It'd be amazing how quick people are to go out to study all these other books, and you because you can never fully grasp the Bible, but even the Bible tells you the study of reading a minute. Make you weary.

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What's wrong with people, man? They read too much, man. They don't know what to believe. They all mixed up. They thought they were doing themselves a favor, but they were doing themselves a harm.

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They don't have enough mental real estate.

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No, we're hoarding the wrong knowledge.

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We are hoarding the wrong knowledge.

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Come on, nugget. Nuggets. Look how she just looked down and stands.

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I say things so elegantly, and then she just I mean, just drop bombs out of nowhere. We are hoarding the wrong knowledge.

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Hoarding the wrong knowledge.

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Jesus.

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But the bottom line is everything, you can't, like we always say, you can't deny God. You can't. You cannot deny him nothing.

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You can't.

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It's all gonna come back around to him.

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It is so much so that they just, you know, like you say, they get everything out of the Bible. Because that goes back to the story of uh Oedipus Rex. When the guy ended up sleeping with his mom and killed his dad, married his mama. Yeah. My goodness. It is so good. Now I gotta read that tonight. What's that next Bible study?

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I don't know. What's my next Bible study? Uh I am I am following Jesus through the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. I am um I'm really becoming grounded. I I have um I have I have pause with the Trinity. And I just want to make sure that uh I'm tracking right with it.

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But I haven't I haven't. And who he is.

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Every book of the Bible represents Jesus. Every book of the Bible. So you know, I'm like I with the way I explain it is I'm I'm Trinity, but I'm one. Right? And and so I am a father, I am a son, by spirit, I'm a pastor. That's not how people explain the Trinity. They they make them three different people. Different people. I'm the same person. I'm Vincent, I'm a father, I'm Vincing, I'm a son, and I'm Vincing, and I'm a pastor. But I am who I need to be, depending on where I am. So when God set up the law after he created the first man, he established the bounds that if anything came into the earth, it had to be bodied. So even when he needed to come into the earth, he said a body, uh-uh, uh uh, uh, what do you say? Uh something you prepare of was a Hebrews, but a body thou had prepared me. So even God had to obey his own law to come into the earth, he had to step into a body in order to do it. But when he stepped into that body, he and his sovereignty deprived himself of all the prerogatives of being God and made himself dependent upon God.

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That's good.

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So when you hear Jesus saying, My Father, my God, when you hear God saying, well, He's He's letting us know as an example that the body has to be dependent upon the creator. So I wouldn't talk to myself because I'm in a body. I have to talk to myself. So people miss it. Because your sacrifice in the Old Testament didn't the sacrifice talk?

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Mm-hmm.

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It absolutely did. When it was crucified, it went up as a sweet smell and savior, so it communicated to God. So Jesus was that body was only a sacrifice. That's we miss it. We make the body everything, it was a sacrifice. And it was also reclaiming the authority back to us in body that was lost when Adam fell. So we gotta go back and explain every facet of what God was doing with that body, having to be in it while he was doing it. And so I think when we do that, then we we because I I you know I I do, I mean, I can see where they get the Trinity from, but I don't, I don't, I don't see where we're told to teach it like that. And I'm I'm struggling with that right now.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I'm struggling with it. Because when we go to Revelations 1 and 8, Jesus says, I am Alpha and Omega. Well, that means you're God. That means you're God.

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Yeah.

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Right? So then he says it again in verse 14. Then 1 Timothy 3 16 says, Great is the mystery of godliness, for God was manifest in the flesh. Right. But he was it was only to be put in that flesh so that that flesh can pay the price for the debt owed to sin. Because if you got a ticket, you would have to take your payment to the window yourself.

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Yeah.

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Thank God for Jesus.

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Thank God for Jesus.

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If you're guilty, you gotta show up in court, right?

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You do gotta show up.

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Yeah. You, you got to show you got to.

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Yeah.

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But and and like you say, uh in the earth, you gotta be in bodies. That's why we're gonna have glorified bodies to be put back on the newer.

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Yeah, exactly. Wow. So I'm I'm just you know, I wanna be, I don't want to stir up controversy in the church. So I I just kind of been praying through it.

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Yeah.

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And um it also will finish with uh the book that I wrote called Bee, which was my study on the Christophany. So I'm once I finished that book, I'm gonna because the ark was a type of Christ. Right. Yeah, it was uh they were covered under the blood because pitch was red. So when they close, I remember pitched the ark, the ark was red. Yeah. Yeah, flooding of the earth was a type of baptism. So you look at all those things.

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And that's why the next time it'll be fire baptism. Yeah.

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Yeah, they always say like everything was just types and shadows. Types and shadows. Types and shadows, yeah. That's it.

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Types and shadows. That's good. That's even with Abraham, right?

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I mean, he was getting ready to uh sacrifice preached to him too. That's why he didn't bother him. Because the gospel was preached to Abraham, Genesis 3 and 7, Genesis 3, 7 and 6, 7, and 8 says of Abraham. So when God met with Abraham, he he taught him the gospel.

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This this is the type of stuff that have you about night reading and enjoying and eating. We're like, golly, man, for reading us right there.

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Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. We can never get rid of that westernized mindset. Yeah, you know, they they've the sad reality is most of our seminars, uh all the books are written by white folks. So you're always gonna get it from a European perspective. Yeah, which is not fair.

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It's not.

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So the writers gotta rise up.

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Amen. Praise God.

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None of their institutions have us in them. They know. And then we're gonna learn from them.

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And that's why we be just on us.

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Yeah. So they just they colonize us again. Yeah.

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Again. Pastor, I was see, I be like, Am I, do I need to chill? Because I be going on tangents, right? You're not off. I was talking to one of my parents today about how we are being made, well, you know, concerning my children, because I'm concerned for them. The things that they do and that the things they're unaware of, and the things that they have the knowledge of that they shouldn't have knowledge of. So I was telling her, we are making our children easy to keep uh easy to enslave. Oh yeah. They're gonna be easy targets. If if we don't get back to what we're supposed to be doing as parents, we making them easy targets. Easily enslaved. And it's gonna be on us.

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It's gonna be our fault this time.

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Yeah. It's gonna be on us.

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Not right way, though. Not right way, not under my watch. Nah, because it's better. Not under my watch.

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You know what I was thinking when we were talking about um people looking to psychics and wanting to be read.

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Just need to come and you need to read to be read. Yeah, oh yeah, you'll get red. Because when he gets up there talking about, I don't know why I'm going there. He said, just he said, just okay.

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Then when he started reading I'd be like, work the book. Yeah. You're telling Trey, who bothering my pals? Who is he? Okay. Who over there? He in the middle sex.

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Y'all in the wrong coming up in that too. Go somewhere else. You in the wrong place, but the right place.

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In the right place.

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I believe the seeds be planted, Pastor.

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Yeah, I do. I believe it is too.

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I believe those seeds be planted.

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Sometime I hear show me who it is. They'll hug me at the door. Then some of them will just walk off. Yeah. Like, that's best.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Remember that one time we was like, Pastor, who was it? And you said, I ain't telling you. Yeah, yeah. I was like, so graceful.

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We talk back all the time.

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We don't play over there.

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You and my shark.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We love you. Don't play with our pastor and your folks now.

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Yeah. Don't talk about my first lady. We love them.

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Please get yourself together. That's everybody associated with him. No. I'll be telling a few of you.

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Y'all do know my church has a art group where we go to the range. A range for Jesus. What's happening here? You didn't read. Jesus told them people to get a sword.

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He did.

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Take themselves. Are you serious?

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I'm excited. Yeah. This was great, man. I so enjoyed this. Thank y'all for having me again. Thank you for coming. Yeah, to your production director. We appreciate you.

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We're looking forward to the next time.

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I am as well. You know, whenever you're ready for it. Hey, let me know. Let me know. Let me know.

SPEAKER_01:

Whenever you're ready. I'd love to come on again. What y'all have me?

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You just let Treats know when you got to open it in your catalog.

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You know y'all to open invite. Whenever you're ready, Pop.

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No problem. I said it won't up for next month. We ready. We'll be back.

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We be like greedy little children. We just be talking about it after this.

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We'll be back.

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I'm ready, Pops. I'm ready. I'm telling you, I appreciate you more than I can say and express. It really, I say this all the time, but it it's so serious. I found my spiritual sanity. Wow. I was very much at the place where I was at the breaking point. It was a choosing point for me. It was a fork in the road, as the people say.

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Well, I'm glad you found it. It's happy sad because I never think that as a believer we should ever have to. We should find our especially our children. We should we know that they they've gotta get to the place where they gotta develop their own relationship with God, but not to the point of leaving him. Just to the point of, okay, it's time for me to do it myself. Yes.

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Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

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That's where this came from. It's John 3.16. Like growing up in church, you know, we hear so much, we're exposed to so much. But I was like, that was I had to be in church. My mom and dad have been saved my whole life. I didn't have no choice. But at some point, like you said, it was about my own joy. And that was the most important scripture. Because you hear God is all these things, but the most important thing that I needed at that time was like He's love. He's love.

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That's good. That's good. That's good. Give you what you need when you need it, right?

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But the the one that that was for me, I mean, I love scripture, all of it. And I'm the type of person, you know, people be like, well, I heard somebody say before, I don't highlight, because I highlight everything. I literally be wanting to highlight everything because it's all good. But uh the the redirection from the the story with Mary that was the decision-making point for me. Uh because I would hear God loves us, does he? And he's out of controlness. And so when I found out, you know, that he he doesn't control this and doesn't control that. Because I would see, you know, situations like surely he's not loved like he says he is. Is he?

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Yeah.

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I had questions for that. Yeah. But um just the guidance and the the redirection and the truth of what you know what was really going on and what how it really happens. That's what that's what made me fully love him and fully accept him. That's good.

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Fully surrender. I think one thing that'll be good for a lot of people is they need to go to the website and go to that's that message when you showed um was the thing of the six reasons, that bad thing that they say things happen in the earth. I think that that would happen. I think that would help a lot of people bring some clarity because it's it's a lot of misinformation out there. Oh, yeah. And and people, like you said, whatever sits on the seat of your heart first, you re whether it's true or not, you're gonna receive what is true. So I think that'll help a lot of people.

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I know it will, because people out here angry with God out of community. Out of misteachings.

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Yep, and don't have to be community.

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And don't have to be. The in-between was a good one too. Oh yeah.

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Yeah, that that's that was just a that in-between was divine. I don't have anything to do with any of them, but especially that one. Yeah, it was divine.

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Even now, even now, with this recent, you know, situation in between is what keeps.

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Yeah. We gotta be listening, man. You don't know what you don't know what what's happening in the in between, and God ain't obligated to tell you.

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He's not. He's not obligated to tell us. But you it freed me because you don't you only see from your perspective. You don't know what God has told this person, yeah. And this person has ignored or that parent has ignored.

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So I was just talking to a gentleman about that the other day. He called me on the phone and had kind of talked him off the ledge because he's about to go crash out on somebody because he found out the guy touched his granddaughter. And uh so after talking him off the ledge, and he was like, Man, I'm praying all the time, and yada yada yada. And I said, and uh, I gave him an example. I was talking to my pastor one day, and uh he somebody broke in his house and stole his safe. Now, the pastor got maids and all that, so he knew it was an inside job. And then on the phone also with us was a pastor from New Orleans who got stuck in Katrina. And so uh I asked my pastor, I say, let me, I say, I want to ask y'all a question because they would the the um Zoom was about how to make it through a bad time. And I said, okay, I understand it. I say, but the Bible says warning comes before destruction. I say, so to both of you, I say, Dad, you mean to tell me that God didn't say nothing to you about, you know, moving your money? Did you remember? And then I asked the other bishop that was, I say, uh, if warning comes before destruction, God didn't say anything to you about, you know, Katrina and stuff like that. And both of them got quiet, and they both of them said, hmm, when they do that, I know you're thinking, you gotta look back. You gotta you gotta go back and reason with if you got something in between that you didn't know. And the first thing uh Apostle said, he said, you know what? He said about two weeks before, he did like a when he do that, I know. He said, about two weeks before the Lord told me to move my money. He said, but I was like, ooh, my money? I get to it. Yeah, right. Didn't get into it, forgot it. Two weeks later, broke in his safe, stole a million, because he tried to keep enough money if he got to move his whole family, stole his jury and a million dollars. He said, But I got back more than what they took. I say, but that's not the point. God didn't want it taken into your job. Right.

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He ain't want it taken, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Thank god you had insurance and stuff, but God didn't want to take it. That's why he told. And then the bishop said, He said, You know what, Rob? He said, I was actually supposed to be in Houston at the time because the Lord had told me to go start a church in Texas. And I was, if I had a left when I was supposed to, I'd have been down. Me and my family would have been in Texas looking for land. He said, but I put it off. So you can't tell me that God ain't speaking. Have we learned how to listen and hear from him? Do we know when it's him, or do we just think that these are just thoughts that are just running through our heads and and we push them off and we don't know if they come to protect us from something in the moment, next week, three years from now. Yeah. And most of the times in the midst of it, we're not gonna look back that far to say, man, God, God tried to get me out of this. We'll say, why you let this happen, Lord? And the Lord may be like, three years ago, nutnut. I told you, I told you. Three years ago, I told you. Yeah. And you didn't listen. Because that three years ago warning was to prevent you from what happened.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And we don't learn how to hear him. That message still. And so we can't we can't blame God for something that he gave us warning over. Because he's gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04:

He's gonna do it. Yeah, I it made me think about the um the story in the Bible with the um the young um the young prophet when the Lord told him not to eat or drink and to go another way. Didn't he tell him? He told him.

SPEAKER_01:

And the man said, Angel of the Lord talking. I don't care. Angel ain't greater than God. He ain't greater than God. No, man. And then right there even the man, the old man broke out and prophesied. Real prophecy. Like at any time your prophecy is gonna work, it should not work right now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm telling you. And God, he, he, you know, I think to your point, Aries, the issue is we we, and and I'm I'm looking over us to make sure that we're not guilty of it also, is that we are not we're not teaching Holy Spirit. Right. So, so if I if if if he's if he's only talked about as a being, but not as the comforter, the guide, the one who leads and guides you into all truth and how to lean in and know his functionings and you know when he's speaking, then I'm gonna look the stars. And that's um. Because I have people telling me they're talking all the time. I can go to the paper and find a horoscope saying something anytime I want to. Well, God is too, but do you know how to hear him through his spirit? Right, right. He's talking just as loud, but if I've not trained myself on how to hear him, he could be talking and I don't even know it's him.

SPEAKER_04:

So you know He is talking as a being though, almost like this uh unreachable. Like we got distant type dealing with God in the sky.

SPEAKER_03:

But you always tell us it's it's it's in it's within you. So like sometimes it's you may hear the Holy Spirit, sometimes it's a pulling or a nudging towards something. So he's in us. We just gotta train it.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

We gotta train ourselves to know him and learn okay.

SPEAKER_04:

To hear.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

And you know, like uh Colonel, we were taught that what was uh the struggle for me, and I'm gonna get us on out here, because we'll keep on going. We'll pull on past. The struggle for me was um we were taught coming up that God had already said everything that he was gonna say, and that didn't leave room for hearing Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, he has said everything he gonna say, but not to me. Right.

SPEAKER_04:

I I remember um what really made me, and this is so funny again. I'm gonna let y'all what really made me want to lean into Holy Spirit. I heard this lady say, Um, yeah, God talked to me. He Holy Spirit taught to me about every little bitty thing, and I remember being so jealous, like I want dad too. Like, I want him to tell me what kind of toothpaste to use. You know what I'm saying? What kind of earrings to wear, anything. And I just remember getting jealous. I know you don't know you're supposed to be jealous, but that's what I mean. You know, one of the lean times like he can, you know, he can do that, girl. I want that too. What do you mean? But she said that and that thing got me. I was like, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_02:

So you send her like really God?

SPEAKER_04:

Really?

SPEAKER_02:

They're gonna talk to her like that, and they gonna talk to me.

SPEAKER_03:

But she was letting her like and she was just talking it, you know, conversation.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. She was just talking it in conversation. She was like, You talk to me about every little bitty thing.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think that the people in those days heard more because they listened less. Right? They they didn't have as they didn't have information overdrive. Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. TV went off at a certain time of night. You ain't got nothing else to do but prayer for the video.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

It wasn't gonna be showing you. Five, ten, fifteen. We got 42 and three. Three. Yeah, it's impossible, right? That's it. So they didn't they didn't have this. You had to get into a book. You had to, you had to stimulate your imagination, right? You had to. Now you don't have to stimulate your imagination. You don't.

SPEAKER_03:

And they had community also. And they had community. Community is our phones.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you had still you had people you would bounce stuff off of. Yeah. We we just we we've we we looked at that like we can't wait to leave it alone when actually it was a thing that kept us strong. It was the thing. And so, you know, that's why I think some of the greatest fasting today is not from food, it's from information.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah. Every time you give a fast, I'm I gotta put my social media down.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh no, yeah, Instagram link. Man, you let that mind just rest. Yeah. What they your cognitive dissonance? Yes. Absolutely. You let that thing rest, I'm telling you, just hear God's soul, like everything just opens back up. You do. Yeah. Because he's not gonna try to over talk. He's not. He's not he not gonna get in a talk fight with none of your information. He's not gonna do it. Nope. No, he not.

SPEAKER_04:

We didn't even see that. You know what makes me that is so clear to me about that? What you just said, he's not gonna get in a talk fight when uh he was out there with the woman uh who was caught in adultery. You know, all the people they just out there accusing this and that. He just sitting there writing on the ground, like what he wrote, we don't know, but he did not get in a talk fight with these people.

SPEAKER_01:

Room number 508.

SPEAKER_04:

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03:

Blue tarp. 6'12. Because I was thinking about Samantha. It may have been may have been her name. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_04:

What would her name be? Anoxana Moon. No, he just wrote Rahab and a lot of them Sumerian woman at the well.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

But I hope you guys have enjoyed um this episode as I have. I know I know I'm gonna go back and listen and feast because it's some scriptures I um that I want to go back and and and chew on and connect the dots. Um my interest is always peak concerning the Bible uh and this tonight, especially um Corinthians, oh I mean, all of it. I I hope it you got that same desire to go and eat. And the beauty about this, you can be as greedy as you want to. Not a calorie, not a calorie, not a pound will stick to you, not your body anyway. But you need to be a heavyweight in the Lord. Amen. But not physically. Fat and flourishing. Fat and flourishing, is what he says. Come on, Nugget.

SPEAKER_01:

The books say.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay, golden. She's living her life like it's what? Golden. Golden. Golden. But uh, and and more importantly, we hope some of you who may be listening, who have found yourselves uh associating and feeling like you're being led by horoscopes and stars. We hope tonight you have found a better way and that you adhere to it. I mean, it can only get better. The the people say it like this, it's only up from here.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Once you get on the right team and be led by the Holy Spirit, really lean in. And you you you got the faith anyway. It's just in the wrong place. You got the desire to want to know, it's just in the wrong place. But now there's a new way, there's a better way. And we hope that you follow, follow that way. Holy Spirit is is all that. He really is. But we'll see you next time. Thank you all for for coming out so much. We'll see you next time. Peace.