Somethin' Like Sunday School
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Welcome And Why Questions Matter
SPEAKER_01I just had a long way, home we know a couple of ways to fix my smile. First I'm gonna hit my knees. Then I'm talking in the Sunday days. I'm gonna hit my knees. Then I'm talking in the Sunday days.
SPEAKER_04What's up everybody and welcome back to your favorite podcast, something like Sunday school. I am elated, I'm purpose Williams, but I'm elated about tonight's episode. I have uh my people here with me tonight, today, whatever time you're listening. And you know what? It's just gonna be good. This is this, I feel like, let me tell you, the scripture wants to rise up. And Brother Myron is gonna finish it for me. Study to show yourself approved. Come on. The word of truth. It's gonna be dividing on tonight. And I'm excited about it. It it really feels like a Bible study. We've been uh snickering and giggling for the past couple of weeks, like some little kids ready, ready to get into these words and get into these questions. I have my brother Mari with me and my sister Ari with me. And we have our pops with us on tonight, Dr. Vincent Robinson of Right Way Christian Center Church. What you gotta say to him, Pop?
SPEAKER_06What's up, look, Sunday? Something like Sunday school. I'm glad to be in the building. I told I thought they had put me on the sideline. I had to ask Coach Put me in one more time. So I'm back in the game. Appreciate you. Give me another chance. Pops know he the secret with second string.
SPEAKER_04He the secret with me. What you say? The finisher. The finisher. We just want to thank you for you know taking the time out to come and be with us on tonight and allowing us to pull on you. Like we always do. You we always say you're such a a dad to us, and you know, it doesn't go unnoticed. We're so appreciative for you. Always honored. And all the things that you do. Always honored. We got a um we got an icebreaker tonight before we get into these questions. Um and I want to say something real quick. Also, um, questions are important. A lot of times coming up in in a Christian household or just coming up, you are you're told not to question God, not to ask questions. When the scripture is clear, ask. So uh there are questions that I had in my heart years, decades even, that all got answered uh in one one service, one sitting, and I didn't even open my mouth to answer the questions. Um and they were very important questions. They were important to my faith. Uh I felt like I couldn't trust God because of these questions that were in my heart. I knew enough to hold on to him, but I didn't trust him. I felt like he was double-minded. I felt like uh, you know, it just was like, uh maybe, maybe, maybe not. But these questions that were in my heart were not only uprooted, but they were answered. And they were answered through the word of God, and it was just so beautiful. And so I say the questions are important because it allowed me to find my sanity in Christ. Wow. And it allowed me to open my heart completely to the Lord. Wow. And that, you know, that made a difference with my life completely, you know. It was it was a beautiful change. I told I say this all the time. I had stopped going to church. I was out of church for about five, six years. And and I I was cool with it for the most part. I was cool with being at home and you know, just you know, doing me. And not, you know, not in fellowship with the Lord and not in fellowship with with the church itself. Yeah. But uh bless God for questions. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06You know, a lot of people are in that same position because they either didn't ask questions or were afraid to ask because that was this unwritten rule and sometimes spoken rule that you don't you don't question God like you said. Absolutely. Um but I mean the scripture tells us to ask. Ask. You know, it tells us to seek.
SPEAKER_04See.
SPEAKER_06And then it tells us to be ready to answer every man's question. And I mean the Bible tells us, so that means if we're ready to answer it, someone is asking questions.
SPEAKER_04Or they're going to ask questions. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And we see, and honestly, we see people in the Bible asking Jesus questions all the time. Oh, yeah. All the time. Even the ones that walk with him, the disciples. So, you know, we're here tonight to get some questions answered. Uh, the first one we're gonna do, we're gonna let uh Harry handle that. It's a little icebreaker for pops.
SPEAKER_06Okay, that one you in Seminole. Okay. All right,
Pops Icebreaker And Pastoral Perspective
SPEAKER_06okay. Come on with, break the ice then.
SPEAKER_05All right. So, like when we're in fellowship, like at our um Gala, like we always see you walking around with your either your arms crossed or your hands behind your black your back. What are you thinking about? Are you looking at all the beautiful children that God has given you? Are you shaking your head? Like, why would my daughter do that?
SPEAKER_06What's what's is God speaking to you? I you know, I've never observed my body rest, what my rest positions, I guess, if you will. But no, I am um anytime I'm around who God entrusts me with, I'm always in awe. I'm never disappointed. Even with my quote, spiritual children, even when they mess up, um, I'm I'm never I'm never hurt. Maybe disappointed as any parent would be, but they're still coming, they're still present. I mean, you couldn't ask for nothing more. We're all growing out of something and into him. And in growing out of something and into him, there are gonna be missteps, they're gonna be falls. And if God is never holding my mistakes against me, why would I hold anyone else's mistakes against them? And it's a beautiful moment, you know, just to see everybody dressed up and I love it. You know, it be looking like the kingdom to me, so yeah, I be enjoying myself. Yeah, and I didn't I had I guess I have my hands behind my back because I I was a different type of dancer when I was in the world, and I don't want that person to come out. So if I put my hands behind my back, I feel like that person is under arrest, maybe. I don't know. I thought it was like your military background. And you know what? It could it could vary well. I I still have a lot of military in me. Yeah, that that doesn't leave you, even though I'm probably about 30 years, 30 plus years removed from the military, just some of the fundamental things never. I still fold my my clothes the same way, I still make my bed the same way, I still eat my food the same way. Uh yeah, all of those things. Still get up in the morning, still live a regimented life. So yeah, some of those things just don't go anywhere. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I can I can tell in your walk too, yeah, uh, pretty often. So it'd be funny, but I love it, you know? Because you always look like you're on a mission and it's not necessarily like uh like uh something rough. Right. But you know, you just you don't lollygag. No.
SPEAKER_06I uh my wife tells me all the time, boys, slow down. So I I do walk past.
SPEAKER_04I saw him walk past, and when I said pops and got down there already. And then by the time I said and got down there, he done came down.
SPEAKER_06No, good icebreaker, though. Good icebreaker. Now you're gonna make me look at my hands and must be.
SPEAKER_04No, we be you. We are some of your observant children. So and especially my my sis right here, she's very observant. Be so funny. Yeah, the things that you be catching is it's hilarious. Um, I want to dive right into these questions.
Reading Scripture In Context Plus Principle
SPEAKER_04Let's go. Uh, I feel like question number one is absolutely important for sure. Um, Mary, you want to read it first?
SPEAKER_00Uh yes. Um, this is why is it important to read the scripture in context?
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Um I I it's important to read the scripture in context because the context is telling us what the conversation is about. Number one. But I think secondly, the Bible is also full of principle. And principle holds truth no matter where you put it. Like a big argument, I matter of fact, I challenge these people on social media. They took it down, but then they turn around and put it back up is Matthew 18. People argue that Matthew 18 is not talking about if any two shall agree as in touching.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_06Well, the context of the conversation is about disagreement. If you have an art with your brother, go to him. If he won't hear you, take a second person. If not, take it before the church, you know, expel the person if it's that extreme. Right. Right. If any two shall agree as in touching anything on earth, it shall be done of the Father which is in heaven, right? But but what people don't realize, which which sometimes it's intentionally, and sometimes we we're just we just sometimes I think people want to be so smart themselves that they won't allow the Holy Spirit to be who he's supposed to be, and that's the teacher. Jesus is actually inserting into the context of disagreement the principle of unity or what we would call the principle of the one-two rule. It's the same, he said the same thing in Matthew chapter 10 when he told the disciples to go out, he said go out two by two. When we go to Ecclesiastes, two are better than one. Why? Because if one fall, the other. So when we get over here to Matthew 18, yes, the context is about disagreement, but there's a principle that's being used to dismantle the disagreement, and it's the one-to rule of the principle of unity. So with that being said, Matthew 18, if any two shall agree is in touching, can be picked up and used independently of itself out from that context, and it's still whole as context. And so there are some that that's why I say every scripture is not a pickup scripture.
SPEAKER_00That's what we were just talking about. Like that's why it's important to understand the context of it, like the the audience and who's speaking and the dispensation of time that's going on.
SPEAKER_06It is good to know that because, like, I was talking to a guy one time, of course, I'm I'm the prosperity preacher, but his whole life prosperity, and he was saying, uh, well, the kingdom of God is not in meeting drink, but righteousness, joy, and peace in the Holy Ghost. I say, we ain't talking about eating right now. Right. The context of that is talking about eating, it's not in meat and drink, and it was talking about uh eating food that had previously been offered up to idols. Right. So I told him we ain't talking about eating right now. We're talking about prosperity, and if you want to go there, you need money to eat. That's why the Bible tells us to feed the poor because they don't have the money. Right. You know, and that just kind of straightened him out real quick. But yeah, I think it is important for you to know the context. One of the issues I take in today's time is we got a lot of scribes with no spirit. We push Holy Spirit totally out of the scripture. And it's all about what the scripture is saying. But the the letter killeth, but it's the spirit that giveth life. And I do also believe that the word of God is pregnant, that God can be talking sometimes about more than one thing within the context of the conversation. So we can't excuse that God may not be talking about more than one thing, that there are other revelations that we can gather out of a text apart from the context. So I'm not gonna box God in like that. I think it's I think it's unfair that we do that. Well, that's like I just had a conversation with a guy, smart theologian guy got his PhD, you know, and I don't throw my weight around like that, but he he did a video clip, that social media stuff. They do a video clip, and then he said that he doesn't believe that the way that we pray in tongues in the church is the way that they did it in the Bible. Uh, that, you know, we're not supposed to be praying in tongues and stuff like that. And I so my response was, well, uh, we know in part, but I strongly disagree that there are times in scripture where a person can pray in tongues, and his he was hinging on the fact that it needed to be interpreted. How many times do you see people praying in church and they need an interpreter? And I said, Well, I believe that every scripture, every prayer in the spirit doesn't need interpreting, right? And so I kind of gave him a rundown of 1 Corinthians chapter uh 14 where it's talking about tongues, and then he comes back and says, the entire context of that chapter is about tongues in a public space. I say, Well, that's not what we're talking about, but since you said it, I'm fine with that. But Paul chooses to Paul chooses to use in entering the conversation personal tongues. Then he moves into corporate tongues. So we're not gonna dismiss the fact that Paul started talking about his personal prayer life in tongues and then interjected that you don't take your personal prayer life of tongues into the public because people don't understand it. And if you're gonna do it there, it needs to be interpreted. I say so. And then Paul said, I sing in the spirit and I pray in the spirit, and we see nowhere in scripture where he was doing it and someone interpreted, which means he was doing it in private. So if we can't pray in tongues and every tongue has to be interpreted, then Paul was wrong for praying and singing in tongues in private because someone should have come and interpreted us.
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SPEAKER_06Then I said, and also the Bible says, He that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto man, but unto God. I say, so you you already wrong because tongues that needs interpreting is not to God. Right. Tongues that needs interpreting is from God to man. But Paul says, He that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto man, but unto God, which makes that tongue private because it's going up. Tongues that need to be interpreted is coming down. And of course, you know, his response was, well, we're just two different guys that have a difference of opinion. I said, Well, we're gonna leave it right there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06We do this all day. Yeah, we do this all day. So I I do I do agree that there are some scriptures that we absolutely need to keep in context, but let's not dismiss that we're hearing from our God and to box him in to the singularity of one conversation when he could be saying many things in one text, I believe it's unfair. Now, what we have to be careful though is that we're not putting something there that the scripture's not suggesting. Yeah, which people do end up doing that. So we have to be careful in that. But I I I've read many scriptures where you get more than one thing, you know, uh outside of contextually what it's talking about. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04That was good. That was a great breakdown. Oh, yeah. I know the first time um I came into the realization of context in the scripture is uh the scripture that says um about us not uh uh God working in mysterious ways. And I remember you breaking that down uh one Sunday and said who he was talking to when he was saying that his ways were mysterious and it wasn't the believers that he was talking to.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so you know, sometimes the context is, and you I think you said in my opening up, who they're who he's talking to and what he's talking about. Right. But man, Jesus sometimes he be talking and take a whole different whole nother route. Right. Yeah, yeah. Right? Like in John chapter 9, they uh the a boy born blind, disciples ask the questions who did send this boy or his parents, and then Jesus goes all the way over and starts talking about I am the door. Yeah, yeah. If any man come in, you know, any other way, he's a thief and a robber. You know, my sheep hear my voice and the voice of still dealing with this boy blind, but talking about how you're hearing, who you're hearing from, what door you coming through with that theological thought. What in other words, where did that belief system come from? That belief system won't be able to fit through my door because I don't, I don't, I didn't come in with it, and I never leave you, let you go out with it, you know. Then he says, the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy, but I'm come that you might have life and that life more abundantly. And and they still like like they like, what this dude talking about? You know what I'm saying? And and they're talking about they're talking about the blindness, Jesus is dealing with their mindset. Yeah. He totally and then turn, yeah, he goes to the root and then turn around and say, Come here, boy, let me go on here. You let's get that out the way. But we'll never see more of this healing if we got people that belong to me walking around with that mindset. You know, so I I just think again, it it is, it is, it is. I'm my my greatest fear in this dispensation is that we got a lot of smart people, but no Holy Spirit. And those are some of your most dangerous people. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. They can tell you what it says, but can't tell you what it means.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Because you need Holy Spirit to breathe on the text to tell you what it means. That's what Paul says.
SPEAKER_04Seeing and don't see hearing.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, hear and don't hear, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. That was good, Powers. That was pretty delicious right there. Thank you. Uh
Progressive Revelation From Shadow To Son
SPEAKER_04the second question says expound on the Bible being a progressive revelation. What does that mean?
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Um so the the Old Testament is an inaccurate revelation. Not I'm sorry, not inaccurate. It's an incomplete, excuse me. The old testament is an incomplete revelation because it's pointing to someone, right? Prophecy is the forthelling of a coming event, and and also the Old Testament is filled with type and shadows. So type and shadows are temporary images until the true image shows up, right? Prophecy is the forthelling of a coming event. So we know that it's not a complete revelation because if it was a complete revelation, it would not talk in type and shadows, uh metaphors, and it wouldn't talk in prophecy. It would talk, it would talk in the now, as what we get from the from the New Testament. So it's pointing, it's pointing to someone, it's pointing to a body, not only of people, but a body that would save those people, that would redeem those and bring those people into himself. So everything that we see in the Old Testament is progressive. It's a progressive revelation. It's something that is growing itself out because it's pointing to, that's why the Bible says, and in the fullness of time. So, you know, uh 42 generations. When you read all of that, with all of that happening in the Bible, that means that that the progression of the Bible is working itself out through the text as as as we read it.
SPEAKER_04The fullness of time.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so Hebrews Hebrews 1, 1 and 2 says, and uh, God who in sundry times and divers matters spake to us in time past through the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us through his son, whom he've appointed heir of all things. So it was all about getting us back to the Son. Yeah, in Genesis 1 and 3, he said, Let there be light. That was a declaration of the putting things back into their order, giving Jesus back the federal lordship uh over the heaven and the earth. So it's actually a calling forth to the bodiment of Christ Jesus, not light in the sun, but light in the sun. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04You know what that kind of reminds me of? I know like people be something telling my age. Um when we would we started traveling, you know, like our parents, they were reading like actual maps. But we had some come up, it was called map quests, and we would print it out. And so uh the Lord just showed me that with the Progressive Revelation, you get the instructions in the beginning of where you're going, but you don't see the the the you know that exact location until you get there. But all the while you're getting to to that place. So that's what that made me think about.
SPEAKER_06No, that's real good.
SPEAKER_04Map quiz.
SPEAKER_06That's that's that's real good. Right. No, powerful.
SPEAKER_04It made me think about that.
SPEAKER_06I like that. Yeah, and I think if people understood that, they would I think it helps you to understand the Bible too. A whole lot better. I wish that our Hebrew brothers and sisters would have understood that because they still wouldn't be leaning into the law, not understand that it was a schoolmaster. It kept the people of God in a holding pattern until Jesus was able to come. That's what Galatians 3 teaches us, that it was a schoolmaster to keep them. But Romans 10 says, you know, that they uh they went about establishing their own righteousness and have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God, for Christ is the end of the law. So even the law itself was pointing to Jesus. Yeah, all the sacraments, all the feast, holiday, all of those things was pointing to Christ. All of that. Sure was. That's good. So, you know.
SPEAKER_04That's so good. All right, the next question. Uh, you want to read it for us, Aaron?
Kingdom Language Prosperity And Prayer Myths
SPEAKER_05Sure. Um, what's the difference between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I saw this question. I was like, oh God. I am um, you know, you know what is that? Uh 2 1 Corinthians 12. Yeah. Says we we know in part, we hear in part, right? But when that has come, then we'll know all things. And I I think early on, well, I know early on in my ministry, I was I was very uh stern on that there's a difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven. And some of me still kind of sits in that. But you know, as you mature and you kind of able to look back to the text, and and as you said in our opening, you ask questions and you're kind of um pushing against what you've been taught, which I don't think there's anything wrong with that. You you start to see, like, ah, uh, maybe that was kind of taught a little incorrectly. So part of me still sits on it a little bit. And let me let me let me explain what I mean. Part of me still sits on it. Ephesians chapter 1 says uh that he hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places. So the way I was taught was to find the kingdom of heaven as a spiritual realm, right? And then the kingdom of God is an earthly operation, God's method of operation that unlocks to us in earth those things that He's reserved for us in the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of heaven being a dimension, right? Um, and then the kingdom of God being an operation or faith that comes from us that permits those things that he's laid up for us in heavenly places to come into the earth. And part of me kind of still sits with that. While my theological side looks at Matthew and understands that they say heaven because that was just customarily a part of the Jewish language. But when we look at Mark and Luke, they always mention the kingdom of God and over into the New Testament. So we only primarily sit with Paul, maybe three or four times, but we really only sit with Matthew, uh, who was a Jew speaking to Jews, who discreetly uses the term kingdom of heaven. And so theologically I understand that, but then just spiritually, I still kind of, and I mean, if I'm saying heaven, if I'm saying kingdom of heaven, is there necessarily a difference in the kingdom of God? So I do believe if he's laid up for us all spiritual blessings in heavenly, that's the uh word that's used in Ephesians 3, then what is that heavenly? And my teaching, my past teaching associated that with the kingdom of heaven, right? And the kingdom of God is the key. And then even Jesus says, uh, I give unto you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, right? Whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. And I don't, I never thought, and I'm still on the line, to necessarily believe that everything that's coming to us is necessarily coming from the throne of God, but rather from a place that God reserved those things for us. And so people kind of people are theologians are even indifferent concerning this subject matter. And I'm kind of in the middle. If someone just says it's the kingdom of God, whether you say the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of God, fine. If someone wants to divide the two and define the kingdom of God as an operation, and the kingdom of heaven is the place where the operation releases those things that have been preordained and pre-arranged, ready for us to lay up into the earth, then I can side with both sides of those theological arguments because I can kind of see it in the text.
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SPEAKER_04Now is um I want to say something to you about um uh things being laid up for us in spiritual places. That was actually used to teach us against uh prosperity. Well, you know, having things, you know, heaven now here.
SPEAKER_06Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_04It was used to, you know, so it would be like, you know, be content because you know, everything is laid so you're you're waiting to get to heaven to to receive your crown. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But what need would we have up for up there? Yeah, none of that. That that that never did sit well with me, but again, I just never really questioned that, you know.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you'll you'll never have the best in life if you question whether or not you should have it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06And or or if it's for you. Right. And and the church, a huge part of the church, I would say well above 50% of the church is still in question of whether or not they should have the best in life.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Still in question whether or not they should have the best. That too much then then disassociates me and moves me away from God. So I better not get too much. And and I think that's dangerous. I think that's real dangerous, yeah.
SPEAKER_04It is dangerous. I think it's true. And I it it for the most part, for people who are looking for, um, you know, so what's what's the better? If you're doing just as bad as me or or worse, yeah, what's the better, you know? So I think people are pushed away from God if if that's what, you know, that they're being taught and that's what's being seen.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. I look at it like we're in competition. I mean, Satan never puts, he never puts a broke prototype out before people that represents him. He doesn't know that their message may be broken, but the reason we're gonna listen to them is because they don't look broken. Right. We look at the right. So the message becomes believable even if it's broken because the person is not broken. That's not broken. The way they're presenting. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he never puts out a faulty presentation.
SPEAKER_00That was, and like at a certain age, like when I um, you know, you've heard the story of um the good Samaritan. Um, and then like when you get a revelation, like you you taught on, you was like, Well, I'll be. It was the church folk that they crossed the road, passed him on by. Yeah, but the person that they consider unclean, the infidel, took care of the man.
SPEAKER_06Took care of the man.
SPEAKER_04And he had it to take care of.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, he had it. Put him on his donkey, put him in his Mustang, his donkey. Yeah. His dodge.
SPEAKER_04I was like, what are we doing? Yeah. And that's what we look like, honestly, when we don't have it. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. People get tired of prayers. I know that's a crazy, you know, statement, but they get tired of prayers, they want a solution. Yeah. And they need it then.
SPEAKER_06Oh, absolutely. Yep. No, that that that's real. Now that's a whole nother subject right now. They need it then.
SPEAKER_04They're tired of prayers. It makes you feel good, and that that goes back to feelings, you know. And I mean, of course, we we pray and communicate with God too. Sometimes you you need that push of prayer to help, you know, pull yourself on about it with going on, but at the end of the day, you still need answers. Yeah. And I think people, and this may be too far, I think people see prayers as drugs. And what I what I mean by this, people use drugs or alcohol for a moment. And then after the moment is gone, the high is gone, now you're back.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_04In the situation.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Yeah, no, that that's it's funny you say I be getting messages all the time. And I was writing a message on my way here, and the um the title is strange. It's gonna be called Painted and Bathed in Prayer.
SPEAKER_04I love it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. You know, it's like my L. Well, yeah, painted and bright and bathed in prayer. And I don't it you're right. People get in prayer just so that they can get the result and then get back out of it when you should be painted and bathed in it. If I was to paint that wall, I'm gonna change the whole look of that wall to where you won't even remember the whiteness. That's right. You're gonna identify with the new color that's on the wall, and I don't think we we stay consistent in it enough so we're we're painted and we're bathed in it. And you're right. We just kind of it it's it's on an as-need basis when the Bible says men are always to pray and not faint. So the converse is also true. If you're not praying, you're fainting.
SPEAKER_04You fainting.
SPEAKER_00But then I remember fainting. I heard I I remember hearing prayer taught in a different way when you taught it. Like as far as being in um being in faith. Like you said, God got good ears. You don't need to keep praying the same prayer.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00You every you pray at one time and then after that, every prayer should be a prayer of thanksgiving. Absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04That's that's why I say uh I just think it was so beautiful how the Lord set me up to be uh be at right way. I feel like he used my uh what's the word I'm looking for? Disenchantment or discontentment, you know. And uh like a lot of things, a lot of things didn't sit right with me. I just never received it, and it made me feel like I was going to hell. So, but that's why I just feel blessed that I was um I didn't receive it, and that made it easy for me to receive the truth about, you know, yeah, what was what was really going on and what was really happening.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Well, what is the truth supposed to do, right? It's supposed to make you free. That's right, and that's what it is. And and a lot of people are in bondage, but that's not what the truth is supposed to do.
SPEAKER_04It's supposed to make you free. It makes you free. Yeah. And it freed me. Amen. It freed me. Freed my little heart right on the thing was locked down. All right, the next question says, What's the true teaching of standing before God and him playing our lives back to us uh for us to give an account?
Debunking Heaven Courtroom Fear Stories
SPEAKER_06Unbiblical.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Unbiblical. Number one, I mean, just from the from the simplicity of it, if to be absent in the body is to be present before the Lord, and I have a glorified body, why would God present to my glorified body the things I did in my fallen body? My glorified body is not gonna even remember the sin that my fallen body did. Because it's gonna be glorified. Because if it's gonna remember, if he's gonna give to it and allow it to continue to have remembrance, that means that he has allowed it to keep that soul, that means that I need to also pray that I don't sin when I go to heaven.
SPEAKER_05It's gonna be a total separation. It's gonna be a total separation.
SPEAKER_06So when we read scriptures like in Romans, man should get an answer to every word that he did. Uh Matthew says, whether it was good or bad. Second, uh, I wrote a couple of scriptures down the uh 1 Corinthians 3, 10 through 15, Romans 14, 10 through 12, talks in that uh number four being the most operative verse, kind of talks in that language of you all of us having to give answer. But it's it's not hard. Uh your check, your check gives answer to how much time you work every week. You don't have to stand up before human resources and tell them why you took off.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Your check is gonna show you took off. Yeah. Because it's gonna show that them hours are missing off that reward. Come on. Yeah. So that's good. So now we're talking about the regalia. The regalia. We're talking about the dressing out of no, that's okay. That's okay. That there are also greater rewards in our, you know, I call it the E-R-O-I, eternal return on our investment. There are greater rewards that we get on our eternal, in eternal investment. And where some people should have more vestiges, they won't. Right. But you're not gonna say, well, I ain't get that because a slip, you know, I ain't should have had one right here, but you know, I stood up there and the Lord told me. Yeah. That's not, you know, I I just think through a lot of a lot of pontification and orating, peep preaching, that those are just some stories that we came up with. And when you stand in line, God gonna allow the the television or the screen to come down, and every man will give an answer to everything he did in his body. And I wanna hear the Lord tell me, well done. Yeah, now good and faithful servant. I want everything that the Lord has for me. Say yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Ain't gonna be no lineup there.
SPEAKER_04I think you was used to like it used to scare me. I think it was fearful. I mean, yeah, propaganda.
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SPEAKER_06It was. What we should be doing is renewing the people's minds. And when you renew their minds, you change their ways. Yes. Old church, no offense. They push you in fear to stop you from doing, which actually just caused us to be better at sinning because we knew how to do it so no one would see it. And can hide it, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Maybe the way that it was camouflaged. Yeah, my girl.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's it.
SPEAKER_05And they scare you in the scare you into servings or into doing whatever they wanted, they thought that you should be doing for Christ.
SPEAKER_06And it was, I mean, you know, I I the benefit of the doubt, right? They they did not want us to get out there and miss it. Yeah, absolutely. I I get it. They didn't want us to miss it, man. Yeah. And you know, I remember um a girl that used to, my me and my sisters used to hang around, and the um the girl got pregnant. And uh my my mom named me, I'm asking how, you know, I won't, I won't know well, you know, what the girl do. And I remember this, my mama say, see there? She was talking to my sister, see there? That's why you don't you don't let them boys lay down on top of you. It went all the way through her clothes, you know. Hilarious. I'm like, what? You know, now that I'm old, I'm looking back at that and I'm like, that didn't go through her clothes. But but you know, my mom, you know, I'm gonna use this right here. You know what I'm saying? This gonna make sure, you know, now she's pregnant, about to happen. Baby as a teenager, it's gonna happen to you too. The exaggeration. Yeah, yeah, you know, so I I you know, I think that they, you know, they used and and I don't I don't I don't hold it against them. Right. Right, their heart was in the right place, and they they said what was said to them. And you know, when you know better, you do better. Because if you if you allow that stuff to sit with you, you're gonna be mad, and you're gonna say God lied to me, and then you sitting there with all these imperfections yourself holding other people's imperfections against them, right? And you rotting. And that's what's wrong with a lot of Christians. You they've got all their fingers pointed at everybody and you jacked up yourself. And yeah, I you know, I so I just think get over it. Yeah, take, eat, you know, uh eat the meat, spit out the fat, and move on. Yeah. Because God ain't did it to nobody. No, yeah, God ain't did it to nobody.
SPEAKER_04That was that makes me uh it was some some movie. No, it was like a little TV show where um this little girl thought she was pregnant because she had heard that uh once you sleep with them, boy, you get pregnant. So they had like a little sleepover, so they slept in the same bed. So she just knew that she was pregnant. She told a little boy that he was gonna be a father. Oh my god. It was so it was funny, but you know, it that goes back to, you know, misinformation or leaving information out. So she thought that was all it took.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I would I would like to add that if you are standing in line, you missed the first wave. Because there is a line. Yeah, but the line wasn't for us, right? It wasn't for his children. Revelation says, and the books were open in those whose names were not written in the Lamb's book of life, not those who were written. So what we have is an inflation of the Bama seed of Christ, which is found in 2 Corinthians 3, with the white throne, which is found in Revelations. No believer should be found having to stand before the white throne in Revelations. Every believer should be at the Bama seed of Christ, where only thing is passed out is reward for your enduring to the end. Not because you backslid and you got left behind, and now you got to be judged based on your works, which is what's gonna happen in Revelation. So, and then we we were even taught that that's us. That's if you read the scripture in the context, that's not even talking about us. Those whose names were not written. Right. Our names are written.
SPEAKER_04You're reading in the Lamb's book of life.
SPEAKER_06That's not for us. Right. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to be in Revelation 19 20.
SPEAKER_04I don't either.
SPEAKER_06Get me get me in 2 Corinthians 5. Yeah. Out of the meeting. Let me go. I mean, I'm sorry, 1 Corinthians 3. Let me go the first time. Yeah. Let me go the first time. Beam me up, beam me up, Peter. Whoever up there on the switch. And by the way, uh um something like I know it's Jesus coming back, so don't hold the Peter thing too. Right, right, right. Just a joke. It's just a joke because they love to say Peter. They'll take that one right now. Yeah, yeah. We need like that. But no, no, no TV screen, no, no type of screens coming down, no standing in line, all of your deeds being rehearsed before you. That's that's not scriptural. It sounds like that, but that's not what the Bible. The suggestion seems like it's there, but that's not what it seems.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and I used to have dreams about that. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I did. I had dreams about that. And I used to be scared in the dream. I used to dream. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. I don't know. You go ahead. I used to dream about uh Saddam Hussein. I felt like it was gonna be like a um like a news channel. You know, they had like an emergency, whatever. I used to dream about that all the time, and I felt like that's how we were gonna know, coming from, you know, that teaching or whatever, and like the names was going across the bottom of the screen, who made it, yeah, and who wasn't gonna make it. And I'm just looking at the screen, looking for my name. I'm crying. You know, it was crazy.
SPEAKER_06Well, I mean, let's think through it though, right? If we we I think they've been quite accurate throughout the years on the progression of how this happens. So let's ask the question when, if we're gonna be caught up in the moment of the twinkling of an eye, is it in between the caught up? Right. Is it is it before the caught up? Right. Is is it after the caught up? We're gonna get caught up, then you're gonna give our bodies back, and then you're gonna have to, you're gonna walk back in. You know what I'm saying? You just come up for a minute, now I'm gonna put you out, walk you back in one at a time. Yeah. When when is when is when does that happen? Right. Right? And and so when you can give no answer to anything like that, you and you don't see it in in scripture, then you know that it's just something that was looked at wrongly in the text. Yeah. Because if it is, I'm I'm finding the longest line. Yeah, I'm finding the longest line. I'm standing behind my iron. Standing behind my iron line. You dug in the dog.
SPEAKER_05Thank God that he remembers our sins no more.
SPEAKER_06Now, and that's the other part about it. Yeah. If he don't remember our sins no more here, why would he bring us there and rehearse them? Oh my God.
SPEAKER_05God said, Gotcha. Yeah, gotcha.
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SPEAKER_06You don't remember him. He don't, that's what the book says. He don't, that means that he would have to go through the blood and bring them back again. Which then he would have to crucify Jesus a second time.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. And that ain't Bible either. And that's not Bible. That's not Bible. He was the perfect once and for all.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's it. One and done. And our high priest, according to Jesus, the way I know that he will not rehearse them is because our high priest is seated. Right. And the sitting uh denotes finished work. Right. Right.
SPEAKER_05Resting.
SPEAKER_06He's resting. Right. Resting. So if if if he was going to have to rehearse it, he would at least have to be standing or or or or leaning. Yeah. Somebody holding him up. Yeah, yeah, something. But no, he's seated.
SPEAKER_04But you know what? That makes me go back to um Genesis. After God finished, you know, creating everything, then he rests. Because he was finished. He was finished. He was finished doing everything. It made me think about that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. What was that saying? You say she said Ari said the other time? Oh my yes, he's in my yeses.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. I wish you could have been here, Pastor. It just was so genuine. It just came out. And it just slid out so you know it was true. You know, it was just smooth, you know. I said, Lord, it's my yes, yours like that.
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SPEAKER_06I want to see it like my mind ain't like that. I don't want my yes is doing that.
SPEAKER_04It had no hesitation. It was sure.
SPEAKER_00And the crazy part was, I think it was kind of spoken during a jovial moment. Yeah, yeah. And the way she just said, and my yes, you see, it was settled.
SPEAKER_04Even that thing was so settled, Pops. Everything was orderly. It made me look.
SPEAKER_00Give me the flag. Give me the yes, like. I couldn't say why my ass didn't sound like that. I'm sorry, Liz. Work on me, G.
SPEAKER_04It was so settled. That thing touched me even now.
SPEAKER_00So resolute.
SPEAKER_04It was. It was it was delicious. That's air. That's air. That's air, right? That's it. All right, because we'll we'll keep on going. What was uh the next question? You want to read it for us, sis?
What Forgiveness Looks Like In Real Life
SPEAKER_05Yeah, how do you truly know if you've forgiven someone who has wronged you?
SPEAKER_06Um when when your actions are no longer holding that against them. I think one one of the reasons why we struggle with this forgiveness piece is we think that to forgive the person releases them from any form of accountability. And it doesn't. It is the the act of forgiveness is to get it off you, not to get it off them. That person is still responsible, accountable. It's not saying you are free to go, it's saying you're free from me. And so we never, when we we have to get the correct approach to what forgiveness is about. It's getting it off you so that a root of bitterness won't spring up and trouble you. Like people say, I'm gonna I'm I'm never gonna forgive them. I'm gonna take this to my grave. You're gonna get there, I promise you. With unforgiveness, you're gonna get that because it's eating you up from the inside out. My pastor Dr. Moore says unforgiveness is like you drinking the poison hoping the other person dies. Right. And so uh I think it it it is not it is not saying that you're not responsible. It's not saying you didn't do it, it's not saying you're not accountable. What it is saying is that I'm choosing to not let it affect me, and I'm not going to hold you accountable because vengeance is the Lord's. Now that that that also does not mean we have to take it to the next step. Did that mean I gotta get back in relationship with you? I have to allow you back into those same areas of my life. That's because that's what people think. I've forgiven you, so we just go back to normal. That isn't it is not saying that forgiveness invites normalcy. That's not what it's saying either. There are some boundaries now that possibly need to be established, right? That there is some distance that that possibly needs to be given. So it's not void of accountability, it's just void of the responsibility of it having to do anything else with me other than what it's done. I'm cutting it off from having any more effect on me than it has already had. That's what forgiveness is about. So when I and it doesn't mean that if I see you, I may not feel it. Feelings are real, but they can't be trusted. Here's how I know I've forgiven you. I don't act on that. I feel it. I I feel like I can really do something to you right now, but I'm not gonna act on it. And me not acting on it lets me know I've forgiven you.
SPEAKER_05It ain't on sight. Yeah. It ain't on sight no more.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and so that that's what that's what forgiveness is, and Christians get this, they get this all messed up because they think that if I forgive you, I don't feel it no more. Yeah, I don't get ruffled about it. No, it don't mean any of that. You you can forgive and never forget. You can forgive and never because sometimes some things, and unless God totally delivers us, some things can sit as a stain on your flesh for the rest of your life. And that's all right. I I it's in those moments that I remind myself I've forgiven them, and where I'm weak, God is made strong. And I thank you, Father. I thank you that you're strengthening me in this area. Yeah, yeah, I do remember it. But and you can, you I mean, I got a burn right here on my arm where I was seven years old and the iron fell on my arm. I just nicknamed it my birthmark, but it wasn't my birthmark, it was my burn mark. Uh but I still I still I still have the indication that it happened, yeah, but I don't have the pain that came with it anymore.
SPEAKER_05That's it.
SPEAKER_06Right? And that's what forgiveness is about. You may have some indications, but you you don't have the pain.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yep.
SPEAKER_06Yep. So I I encourage everybody, man. Be and and the the key is to be quick to forgive. That's the key. People hold on to it too long and let it get a root system. Yeah, that thing starts getting a root system down in you, and you, that's why the Bible says, and then sometimes you I'm I follow the I do exactly what the Bible says. The Bible says, and when you and when you stand praying, forgive. So sometimes I had to stand up. I stand up and say, Lord, I forgive them. I don't feel nothing sitting down right here, laying down. I need to stand up. I don't know what to standing up doing. I know what you mean. You telling me to stand up in my spirit, but I need to physically stand up because I need to forgive them, but I'm mad, you know, I had to pace with a little bit. And I say, Lord, I release them to you, I forgive them. And then I pray for them too. I pray for them. That's another way to know you forgive them. You pray for the person. Yep.
SPEAKER_05Do you I'm sorry, go ahead. No, you're fine. Do you um you always call out what that person did? So Lord, I forgive such and such for rolling her eyes at me today, and I feel some kind of way. You can. Or do you just call their name?
SPEAKER_06Either or. Well, to whatever extent you feel like you need to verbalize what happened. Uh I, you know, I I speak against that such and such that happened that caused that that stained my heart or what I'm I have no problem with that. To whatever extent you think you need to put verbalization behind what happened so that you can truly forgive, I would say do that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. And I'm asking that because I feel like a lot of times um things happen and we hold it in, we don't give it a name or don't give words to it.
SPEAKER_06I like that.
SPEAKER_05And sometimes I feel like that stings and stabs the longer we hold on and just try to cover. So when you give words, you put those words out into the atmosphere along with God's spirit and you know, his his way, then you're able to overcome by those words.
SPEAKER_06I agree. I I don't, I don't, I I don't think it's any different than the principle, Matthew 18. When you have an art with your brother, you gotta go to him. You gotta announce what that art is. So if if I'm forgiving a person in my prayer time, then I would I I would agree with you to announce that art. Sometimes forgiveness involves me having to go to the person and tell them what you did, and I want you to know that I forgive you.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. I had to forgive my I I have to I had to forgive, I had to forgive my dad to his face. Yep. And and he just broke out crying. And because he's walking around, I think I'm walking around with bitterness in my heart. He's walking around with guilt in his heart, wondering how I feel. So for him to hear me say I forgive him, like man, he just he just cried. And I was like, wow. He's and then he he said because I thought you hated me. I was like, wow. You know, so it was not only healing for me, it was also healing for him. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And we don't we don't usually have that compassion for people that we feel like having wronged us. So that could be a compassion type deal for them as well. Yeah. And I wanted to go back to when you said uh vengeance is mine, said the Lord. Can you expand on that? Because we like to think that uh God dislikes that person just as much as we do. Yeah. And that he's gonna do something to them on our behalf, you know.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, well, you know, some people people have done have have some horrible things done to them that you like, like, in our minds, we like, Lord, you need to get them. Yeah, absolutely. Like, you know, you like you need to, like you need to really, really get them. Um I I just I don't know. I've never gone there in my mind to to even question God on what he believes the punishment towards them should be like. I never thought about vengeance even as being a punishment. I I've always just saw vengeance as saying, give it over to me and you let me deal with them. To what degree he would want to deal with them, I don't know because there are other circumventing circumstances that we don't consider. Right? We only consider the fact that something was done to us. But the root of that may go past them of something that was done to them. Right? Because we we say it all the time, hurt people, hurt people, but we're all flawed in some way, so we don't know what flawed issues were inserted or done to them that caused them to be flawed, and they passed on their flawed actions on to someone else, just so happened to be us. And if we don't get it right in some way, maybe not in the same actions, but in some irregular actions, if we don't correct it, we're gonna pass on some flawed action of someone else. And if not a flawed action, we'll continue to live flawed because we don't deal with it. And so, you know, that generational thing. And so for that reason, I just, you know, like when I, my dad, for instance, when he's a pastor, and I'm wondering, how can you be preaching about a father sending his only son and I'm your firstborn and you have no relationship with me, but every Sunday you get up in church and you're preaching about God's love for us was to embody himself and send his only son. And you know I'm your son, and you ain't you ain't looking for me, you know. And but when he came to my house that day and talked, I found out that there was a deeper issue than just the thing that he was called to preach about. I heard him say, because God told me, Don't talk, just listen. So I let him talk. I finally found out why I love to talk. Um he said out of his own mouth that his dad ran. And and my grandfather, which I didn't know this either because my parents didn't expose this, my mama never talked bad about my dad, but my dad was looking up to my grandfather as a father role. But when he got my mama pregnant, my granddad lit into him. You did this to my daughter. And you know, nah, they did that, daddy. You know, you know, yeah, they did that together. Yeah, they did that together, you know. But you did that to them. Now you, I mean, he's he say, you know, he didn't say all the words, but he say, man, your you know, dad gave me a tongue lash, and he say, so I had no one else to lean on, so I ran. So he felt shame. Felt shame. You know, and I I get it. Hey, dad, this my my mom is the oldest of all his kids, so your first daughter got pregnant. You know, she was supposed to be the one that's gonna go to school. Yeah, you know, my granddaddy dropped out of school, went back at 50 and got his GED, you know, taking care of his mom. So now this is my first child, of course. She got a degree. I mean, she got a scholarship, she's going out to school, but then she ended up being pregnant at 16 years old by this little, in his mind, this little knucklehead boy who was actually the cool laddie. He was the smartest guy at La Flor, come to find out. My dad was writing papers for he got like four different degrees. Like he's just a he's a genius, right? So he wasn't this knucklehead. So the intellect. Yeah, a little bit, you know. I guess I got some of that. Uh but but I don't just not to rel on that too much longer, just the fact that brokenness came to me because brokenness was in him and had not been corrected. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? I think had my grandfather, who is my hero's amazing man, but allowed his emotions to get in the way of seeing, you know, this is a this is a greater call right here. You know, this is a broken boy. He ain't see it like that. They just my daughter boyfriend, who you messed around and got my daughter pregnant, but they was doing that thing together, you know.
SPEAKER_00And like as the as far as the vengeance goes, I had to ask um Holy Spirit to help me because, like you said, if somebody do something and you feel like, well, they deserve it, but then I'd be like, well, there's no big sin or little sin. So if he was to judge him, then he would have to in turn judge you for the things that you do. And I think people just don't look at that side of it, they just look at what somebody else did and want to talk about what they deserve and not realize that we are. Or even what we're doing. Right.
SPEAKER_06You know, even even if what we're doing is out of the thing that was done to us, it's still an act that we're doing. Yeah, we're still held accountable to some degree to up to that. And so I, you know, when I you just kind of stretch that thing out, man, you'd be like, man, I ain't got time. I forgive you. Yeah. You know, and and the other part is that in Mark, I think people get this mixed up, it says, uh, when you stand praying, forgive, that your father in heaven may also forgive you of your sins. Now, our sins are forgiven. God will not impute anything on us that our that any sin on us that we do. He would not report, uh, he would not impute any discourse of sin deserved that we do, right? Your sin deserves a judgment. God won't do it. But when you don't forgive, you're telling God to get out of the way of his forgiveness. Now that's the scary part right there. So it's not God doing it, it's you saying, give it back to me. That it sounds like God ain't gonna forgive you if you don't forgive. That's not what it's saying, because he's already forgiven us. Cross did it all, so it can't be a matter of God needing to forgive. Right, right. Right? That's good. What it's saying is when you don't forgive, you're telling God, don't put it behind the cross, don't put it under the blood. Give it back to me.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I don't want it, right?
SPEAKER_06But again, think about think about people saying, I'm not gonna forgive you. I'm gonna take this to my grave. Well that see, what's happening to you now oftentimes is not what they did. No, it's what you're not doing. Right. You're not forgiving. So it's almost like you like like it's just bouncing off God, coming back on you, bouncing off God. What God could consume and take out the weight, it's bouncing right back on you. And many are weak and sick among you, not discerning the Lord's body. Forgiveness is a part of the Lord's body. Right. That's that's that communion piece that happens when we come into Him.
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SPEAKER_06Forgiveness is a part of the Lord's body. Yeah. So so I'm I'm I don't I don't hold my team be like, man, how you, you know, they know what people have done to me, and people be saying and stuff, and people forget I got kids and say all type of stuff, you know, and they be like, how you you you they came to church and you hug right on him. I'll be like, listen, man, I ain't got time to be holding nothing against nobody. I ain't got ain't nobody got time for that. And some the truth of the matter is some people don't know they're doing it. Well, sometimes when you use the other devil, he blinds the mind of them that believe the mind. They don't, they don't, they some people don't know no better. Yeah. And I got too much I'm believing God for to allow those types of events to keep me from possessing what I'm believing God for. I just ain't got time for it. Yeah, next time you tell them from God, to us, through us, to others.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm gonna give you this forgiveness. Yeah, and that's gonna reap coals of fire over your head. Yeah. I be trying to tell folks, I'll be like, I said, well, the Bible says that when you're nice to people who and they know they do you wrong, it's like you keep coals of fire on their head because they don't, because they can't understand. And they know they know they did you dirty. Yeah. And you still turn around and be nice.
SPEAKER_06People understood the power of forgiveness. They they do it quickly. Yeah. But they don't.
SPEAKER_04They they they make themselves the and it ain't even because they uh they feel powerful holding on to the unforgiveness or the grudge. Like I can I can show you that I can hate you the rest of your life of the enemy. It's a trigger to the same thing.
SPEAKER_06Oh, it is, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04And it it's so funny what what it made me think about too. I've been pretty interested in plants and gardening and stuff like this. So I came across um a couple of videos, which it was funny because I was looking at it, um, of bamboo. When people plant bamboo, how detrimental and dangerous it is because of how fast the root system grows. And you almost can't, once it's planted, you almost can't get rid of it for the most part. And I feel like when you was when you was bringing your illustration, I feel like that's what unforgiveness is also. It's bamboo. Yeah. It's bamboo root system, tearing it up, tearing the body up, tearing the mind up, tearing up generations. And then we we people be teaching their children to hold on to hate. Oh, yeah. Hold on to the group again.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I tell them haters, that's a learned behavior. You can look at you can look at these babies. Like you can go to daycares and things like that, and you see these babies just loving on each other until that parent starts to put things on that child as they get older, their thoughts and what they think and what they feel instead of allowing them to come into their own. Yeah. But yeah, that's a that's a learning behavior.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, they took a uh, I've seen uh documentary they did even with snakes. They put a whole bunch of unpoisonous snakes around babies, and the babies was picking them up, rubbing them, because they had no sense that this is fear, right? No sense of fear. Yeah, and uh, it was trying to prove that fear is taught. It's taught. Yeah. Baby just had that that mama over there screak, that baby had the snake up looking at him and kissing on it. Mama over there just about to lose her man.
SPEAKER_00And that's didn't were the parents aware that the snakes were not poisonous? Yeah. And that just that just goes to show the fear of the parent that they knowing that it can't harm the children.
SPEAKER_06And handling the snake, the snake didn't bite them. Right. Right. Because there was no fear emanating from them towards the snake.
SPEAKER_00Right, that's good.
SPEAKER_06So the snake didn't feel like it had to be defused, right?
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_06That's good.
SPEAKER_04Wow. Ooh, that's good. It is delicious. Absolutely delectable, that is delicious. The next one, Mary, you want to
Romans 9 Pharaoh Judas And Hard Hearts
SPEAKER_04read it for us?
SPEAKER_00Your next question says, Can you explain Romans 9 verses 17 through 19?
SPEAKER_06The the the the questionable chapter of the whole Bible.
SPEAKER_04I wanna can I read this to the people? Do your thing to the people right quick. So I'm M and KJV. Romans 9, 17 through 19, which I'm actually gonna go to 20. It says, for the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, even for this same purpose have I raised thee up that I might show you my power in thee, show my power in thee, and that that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy, on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will, in whom he will he hardeneth. God would say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay, but O man, who art thou that replyest against God? Shall the thing form say to him that formed it, why hast thou made me thus? And and we really could keep on going. But this um this was a question for me when I was younger also. I thought about uh Pharaoh for sure. And I even thought about uh Judas. So when I would read things like this, I felt, and especially when it said the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart. So how can Pharaoh be punished if this is what the Lord is doing to his heart? And if he says that Judas was, you know, born for this right here, oh this is what he was gonna do anyway, because this is what he's been made to do, or he's predestined to do, how is he then being punished for you know for the things that they doing?
SPEAKER_06So one of the most dangerous things that we can do in reading Romans 9, some things we gotta remember, right? Romans is a letter. No chapters, no verses. It's a letter. Um translation breaks it down into chapters and verses uh as the thought of when the conversation changes. It's like we go back to John chapter 9, for instance. In John chapter 10, Jesus is still dealing with the boy being blind. It don't sound like it, but he's still dealing, he's still answering their question from John 9 and 1 in John 10 and 10. As a matter of fact, John 10 and 10 is the answer to John 9 and 1. We make the mistake whenever you read Romans 9, you cannot read it apart from chapter 8 and chapter 10. It was not, this part of the letter was not made to sit out by itself. And that's why we normally don't understand it because as the interpreters did, we separate it and then we draw that same conclusion that you draw. Well, how can you condemn Moses, Pharaoh, to hell if you the one hardened his heart? You can't judge something that you did. Right, right. But in order, I'll give you one one verse of scripture, two verses scripture out of eight, that will actually give you some some preclusion to what we're looking at in Romans chapter eight. Yes, sir. Verse 37 says, Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. Right? For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor power, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. I say the truth in Christ, I lie not. My conscience also bear me witness in the Holy Ghost that that's a comma. I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart, for I could wish that myself were a curse from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, uh, who are Israelites. Where's that one scripture I wanted to get to? Let me keep reading, uh, to whom pertaineth the adoption and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Lord and the service of God and the promises. Whose are the fathers and of whom I missed my scripture? Wait a minute. Let me find it. Keep talking. Y'all talk. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, I want to read it's a scripture.
SPEAKER_04Ari and I were talking about these the other day. We were talking about uh Judas. And I it also made me think about um people saying that all of our lives are predestined and that those who believe were predestined to believe, to become believers, and the those who Or not believers or who will not be believers were predestined to not believe.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I don't I don't believe that. Right, right. Yeah. Right. Because if that's the case, if if those were predestined, if it was predestined that they don't believe, then we should get a list of those who not to go to. And why would we be told to choose? Right. And the Bible says, don't cast your pearl upon the swine. So you need to identify the swine so I won't cast. Right. The goal ye should have, should have direction in who to go to. Right. And then it says, Whosoever will, let him come. So we got too many whosoevers, for God so loved the world that it gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him would not perish. Now, here's the heart, the hardening of Pharaoh's heart, the harden of Pharaoh's heart. Here's some things people, other things people don't understand when we're reading the Old Testament, especially with all the killing and stuff like that. It's a lot of the war of the gods that we're not, that we're not looking into. Like, you gotta think about it. There are there are two groups of people in the Old Testament that should have never been. The Moabites.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_06That's a that's an from from Noah. That's an incest tribe of pre- and his other daughter. Right. Uh is it the Amorites and the maybe the Amorites and the Moabites? Yeah. Right. And so when God, the Bible says they were a heathenistic nation, which means in their heart that would be no way for them to get it right based on the God that they served. So when God told the children of Israel to totally destroy them, told Saul, and Saul didn't take them out. Well, guess who came and took David's wives and stuff? Those same people, they generation. So David had to fight a war that the king before him should have taken care of. Because God knew that those people would never turn their. I mean, these women were having babies for the purpose of sacrificing on the altar of Baal. I mean, I ain't talking about the lady walking up to the altar crying because she's about to give her baby away. Right. I'm getting pregnant, so I'll have a sacrifice. Isn't that something? Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Like I'm I'm carrying this baby and I'm joyful about it because I know I'm about to offer this newborn baby up to Baal. He's about to burn on the hands of Molech. Like, how, how, where, where can you where's your mind that you would even. He's definitely blinded. Yeah. So when God is talking about hardened, hardening Pharaoh's heart, what hardened Pharaoh's heart was when he recognized that his godship was not greater than the God of the Hebrews. When everything that he was over, his magicians, his astrologers, when nothing they was doing was working, and yet he it's almost like he's peeling off. Okay, and you got like like, man, I'm mad. I'm dog. Pharaoh was actually supposed to be a type of God. Yeah. Why isn't my stuff working over this one? And his heart becomes hardened as a result of it. Not God, not God making his heart like God gonna make him hate him even more. That's that's not that's not what the Bible is saying. So it was it was ego too, huh? Oh, yeah, big ego. That's why he say, no, Moses told him not one hoof. Yeah. We ain't even one hoof and not even a hoof, or whatever that's already died, not gonna stay here. I was trying to find that one scripture, though, that we have to um we gotta read.
SPEAKER_05Uh so it's not that God, God didn't build them that way, that they were hardened and destined to do wrong. Is what you're saying, right?
SPEAKER_06Right. But but he's saying, even in your hardness, here's what I believe about God. He okay, in his foreknowledge, God could look over every mistake that man would make and insert a righteous path in it. Like he can look ahead in time. Adam ate from the tree. In God's foreknowledge, he knew that man would turn around and use a tree as the ultimate form of sacrifice and crucifixion. And God say, That's when I'm gonna bring my son. Man gonna set it up for me to put it back on the tree. Yeah. That's why the Bible says, and in the fullness of time, God sending his son. What was the fullness of time? Waiting for man to set up a system so he can put it back on the tree.
SPEAKER_04Because when I was young, I'd be like, why was he waiting? Why does it take 42 genetics?
SPEAKER_06I don't, I don't have to, I don't have to I don't have to make man, I gotta control man. I can see what man is doing, and I say, I'm gonna use I'ma use that right there. I'm gonna put me something right there. Okay, oh, you're gonna go there, okay, cool. I'm gonna put me something right there. Oh, y'all gonna use crucifixion as the ultimate way of humiliation to and then y'all gonna make the person naked on the tree too, like I made them.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I appreciate you. I'm gonna wait for that. And in the fullness of time.
SPEAKER_00But I remember I remember you total message on like the systems. Oh, yeah. How he he had to wait for like because the one that he put in charge of it.
SPEAKER_06He had to he had to let man run out the fullness of himself. Right.
SPEAKER_04We was fascinated with that with Abraham when you talk about Abraham and Isaac, and how that uh, you know, Abraham is giving up his you know his legitimate firstborn son. And the it was the scripture was written where Galatians chapter three. And Jesus was it was a question, but the question was the answer. You remember that?
SPEAKER_06He had the gospel preached. Abraham had the gospel preached. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. It was delicious. And you saying this was the pattern that Jesus was coming in out. So it was another type of shadow. It was absolutely delicious.
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SPEAKER_02I mean you gotta glorify the most high if you really miss it. No need in driving on the empty tank, stupid limits. Ain't no pressure, just to talk. Revealing truth in his walk. When the footprints in the sand look way more mighty than yours. No shame in holding on to his shoulders. When life get heavy, it's bodies, the vessel will be made available. That's what he told us. All glory to God while we go on this journey. Put our all into your speeches. We decree that you have made us worthy. We still listen, so Lord, talk to me and protect me from the ones who throwin' sound to me. I'm never afraid of people finding little faults in me. Cause I'm tight with the redeemer. Just take this walk with me. Or come talk with me. I'm here to shed his light and do my best to be reflection of him at all times. And even when I fall off his honesty in my eyes, I'm not a perfect person. I'm the first to need it, buddy.