Questions 2

We take on a rapid-fire set of faith questions, from why God gave the Law to what blasphemy really means, and we refuse to settle for shallow answers. We push for context, careful wording, and Scripture-first thinking so believers can grow without fear, superstition, or social media noise. 
• why the Law shows up as a reset for a people shaped by Egypt 
• how the Law points to dependence on God instead of perfection 
• what blasphemy means and why sloppy definitions create panic 
• how purpose can stay one while the “streams” change over time 
• why spiritual gifts can operate in people before salvation 
• how we should understand hearing God in the dispensation of the Holy Spirit 
• why some church practices are traditions or ordinances rather than commands 
• how to separate gossip from venting that seeks counsel and resolution 
• what it looks like when God “defends his word” and why integrity matters 
• basics for evaluating dreams and why some “dreams” are flesh attacks 
• why God is not micromanaging daily choices and how predestination gets misread 
• how systems shape marriage dynamics and why maturity still matters for men 

If y'all don't have a church home, y'all come on down the road. 
Get your Bible out, get your pen, your pencil, your notebook, get some quiet space, you know, get some quiet time and study, and you'll see Holy Spirit coming in there with you and ask them like pastors, teachers, ask him to show you.

Transcript

Introduction And Why The Law

SPEAKER_05 0:00

This is part two of something like Sunday School episode entitled Questions. Joy.

SPEAKER_04 0:19

First I'm gonna hit my days. Then I'm talking about the biggest.

SPEAKER_02 0:22

Then also one night I was watching um you were on there, uh Bishop Hilliard, and it was one of the one of the other one of your other brothers. I can't remember his name, but you said that I think you said he was good on teaching uh Revelation, the book of Revelation. But I and that could be a different one. But he um he opened up um he was talking about what's the man's name, Pharaoh. And how um the people were going, they were going miracle for miracle with their God. So it wasn't like you know they weren't performing also, but like you said, our God outperformed them.

SPEAKER_06 1:00

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

He's a true and living God. But I was like, yo, they really was going uh miracle for miracle with me. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:08

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

That lets us know that you know other power is out there.

SPEAKER_06 1:11

Well, but we just know the greater one. Yeah, so the question is, why did the question I've always had with God, why you had to give them the law? Why why the law? Because you didn't, but up until Abraham there wasn't a law, you was talking and they were obeying. Why did you have to give man the law? And it's and Paul lays it out why in Galatians, why man had to give the law is because everything that the law called wrong, Egypt called right. So, what was God doing? He gave them law to rewrite their lives because they had been in transgression for so long that evil was good and good was evil. And we looking at that now. I was just gonna say that. We're looking at that right now, and that's exactly why he gave them the law. That's why he gave them dietary restrictions because they was doing everything. They was made, they were everything that the law said not to do. If you look at Egypt, they were doing all that. They was doing it. So God gave them 666 laws against what they had not been raised up in for 400 years.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

Okay, so 666.

SPEAKER_06 2:10

613, 13 laws is what it is. Some people say it's more of 613 laws.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

So is this in relation to uh the mark of the beast?

SPEAKER_06 2:19

Oh, the 666? Yeah, yeah. I I don't know. I I've never looked that deep into it. Yeah. But that's exactly why, though. Because of the transgressions of the people. And what he was doing was re-he was re-re-coding the God system on the inside of him. Yep. And the only way you can recode a system on the inside of a person is to bring them to the end of themselves so that they turn to God for full dependence. Right. And that's what the law was designed to do. To turn them to God, not to do it to be perfect, because the law brings the remembrance of sin. It cannot make a man righteous. Right. It was designed to bring them to the end of themselves.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

Just like uh the prodigal son. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:02

Think about it. How did Aaron know to make a pee? Where you get that from? You're supposed to be a priest of the most high God. He saw what Egyptian priests did.

SPEAKER_03 3:12

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Aaron.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

That was good right there. I'm I'm definitely gonna be eating on this over and over again. This this is what excites me, you know. Uh the next one, Myra, you want to read it for us?

Blasphemy And The Unpardonable Sin

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Yes, uh, what is blasphemy?

SPEAKER_06 3:37

Oh, that's a straight up question.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Yeah, what is blasphemy?

SPEAKER_06 3:41

Um, how could I put blasphemy in an example? Uh blasphemy would be if the Holy Spirit did something, if God did something, and the people and a person verbally rejected that doing to be of God.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

That's blasphemy. So that's basically knowing that God did something, but not give credit.

SPEAKER_06 4:03

And not that well, not to that extent, because you can know that God did something and say, Man, I don't believe that. We're not we're not talking about about I I believe that. Now I'm I'm still learning this, I'm still studying this out, so don't make this as an absolute. I'm starting to believe that blasphemy can only happen by a believer.

SPEAKER_02 4:26

That makes sense. That does make sense.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

Because why would it, you would kind of expect that from you? I would expect that from me.

SPEAKER_06 4:33

Right. Okay, think about it. If you're already in sin, you need sins for giving. If it is the impardonable sin, that means that you must have been freed from it. Right. Wow. And I'm studying that out some more, so don't email me, email secrets and my. But I'm starting to believe that it can it could possibly only happen from a believer.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

Because that was what they were trying to accuse Jesus of. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 4:59

That only means how can any man come except the spirit draw him? So the spirit is drawing those who are blaspheming. If it's an imponable sin and they blaspheme, that means you would stop drawing, but he never does.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

See? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:15

So when I saw that, I said, I'm gonna have to sit with that for a minute because that's in one of my studies right now. Yes, right. Again, I'm I'm not deconstructing, I'm just I'm pushing back, and I don't consider that to be deconstructing on some things that I've heard. Right, right. Right. And uh, because I don't want to be, I don't want to be right. I don't want to be the one that's right. I want to be right.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:34

I care nothing about being the one that's right. I just want to be right. And so I've I've kind of, you know, because when you just read it where it's at in the scripture, it's the most unpardonable sin. Yeah. Okay, we better get this right then. Right. Yeah, we we can't we can't afford the lines, can't be blurred on what blasphemy is. Right. And I just think people have too quickly given an answer to what that is, and and all of us have if if we go with just a general definition, all of us probably have blasphemed. And if it's impardable, but then we can't say, Lord forgive me.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Yeah, and we can't be saved.

SPEAKER_06 6:06

And we can't be saved.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Yeah. Yeah. That was always scary when it was like blasphemy and know what it was.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

The reprobate mind. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:17

I mean, because you know, bless if you would put it in a in a physical example, that would be like your child, you're not giving your child some candy, your child says, I hate you. Come on, man. That child don't know, that child wants that candy. That child is all the emotions right now. Talking about they hate you. You you you better go sit yourself down, a little pee yourself down somewhere. You don't need no way with Dr. Candy. You don't even know what hate is. You just go sit down. Right. That's your stomach and your feelings talking. Your taste buds on high. Go sit down.

SPEAKER_02 6:46

Absolutely. They should sit down.

SPEAKER_06 6:48

You know, well, you think about it. Have we not done that as adults toward our God? We have. As his children? Yes. More than that. When you walk around, you just scream real loud. You just got to get it out. You just about did the same thing. Well, okay, did God forgive me for that? Or what? Yeah. So I just think that we have to, some things like even deliverance. I'm starting to look back into that uh particular thing again. And, you know, just praying through some stuff and making sure I'm right in my deliverance. Because we don't, I think we're in a time where we don't have time to be circling around the wilderness with this a second 40th time. Right. We don't. Yeah, we need to, we need to come out of it with this. And I think it's just been too much language given to it with our natural minds and not really hearing what the Spirit of God has to do.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

That's good, Pops.

SPEAKER_06 7:42

Yeah. Because Peter blaspheme if we just go by the nature of the definition we use.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

Right.

SPEAKER_06 7:48

He's he said he didn't know Jesus three times. He totally rejected him. And because somebody didn't know. And then Jesus, Jesus turns around and tells him to feed my sheep. Well, hold up now. Wait a minute. Then he just You are the Holy Spirit. Right. Right? You are Holy Spirit incarnate. So Jesus totally rejected, I mean, Peter totally rejected you. Right. And knew who you were. It was without question. He knew you were the Christ, as a matter of fact. As a matter of fact. Yeah. So I I think we some stuff we need to kind of slow walk and and pray through. Hebrews 10, if you've uh if that person talking about their remainder of no more sacrifice when they've heard the word. And you know how far you got to, how deep you got to be to even get to that point that he was talking about, to to reject the truth and all that type of stuff like that. You you know you have to be borderline to a cart, you have to be a card to Pearson, where you totally teaching a whole entirely different, opposing gospel, yeah, you know, to get to a point like that. And most people that by definition, who we call blaspheme, was just in their feelings and mad because they didn't get what they wanted, right? And were tired of waiting, and pressure just made them get in their feelings and say something they didn't mean.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

Sound like uh, what's the name, wife? Telling him to curse God and die. Oh, to curse God and die.

SPEAKER_06 9:09

Yeah, she just didn't want to see her husband in that condition. All my kids is gone. I'm just as crazy as you without the boss. Right. And now you over here raking your scratching yourself, sitting in the ashes. Listen, it's better for me not to see you like this. And I know a quick way for that to happen. Yeah, curse God. Eukasia. Isn't that what they call when you kidnace euthanasia? Curse God and die. Don't get it over with. Who was that? I I don't necessarily she I don't necessarily believe she meant that. To that degree. Yeah, to that degree. I mean, this woman has lost kids, she's lost cattle, she'd have lost everything, her whole life gone.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

We don't think about that.

SPEAKER_06 9:50

We don't get and and he over there, he he probably deranged. Right, absolutely. We know he deranged because in in Joe 40, he said, Lord, I talk too much. So he probably talking out the side of his head and everything. That wasn't right. Trying to find a way to medicate these balls on my body and everything. My friends telling me I must have you must have done wrong, Joe. Your God wouldn't do this to you if you ain't did nothing wrong. Come on, tell us what you did wrong, Joe. Don't look like you're perfect, don't look like you're a shoe evil. Upright. Yeah, don't look like you're too upright, Joe. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

Boy, what kind of friends are though?

SPEAKER_02 10:31

I and I think they didn't know any better. I really think like they felt like they were trying to get to the issues. Yeah, that's what God told them. So y'all y'all lied on everything. You should have shut up. Should have just been quiet. Sometimes you just have to just sit there and be with the people. Anyway, just be there.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

But you said take a big dose of shut up. Take a big dose of shut up.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

You have to say the mint of the mint of shut up.

SPEAKER_06 10:55

What you have to do? Put a minute in your mouth.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

That one you got to suck on it, so you gotta keep your mouth closed real. Got to keep it closed real.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

Oh, that's so good.

Purpose As One River Many Streams

SPEAKER_02 11:07

The next one says, Can we have only one purpose for our lives, or can we have multiple purposes at different times?

SPEAKER_06 11:17

I'm gonna go to the end part of it first. I don't believe that it's multiple purposes at different times. I think the purpose can shift in how that purpose is being fulfilled. Right? I do believe that a person can have more than one purpose, or you can be purposed for several things, right? Um ultimately like one river, I use the Genesis analogy, one river parted into four heads. Uh I am I'm a pastor, but my pastoring it is lived out in my book writing, right? It comes out in my business conferences that I do, but it all the main part of that river is on Sundays. What I love the most out of all of them is teaching God's people. So that purpose, that one purpose can have different functionalities. 1 Corinthians says there are one spirit, uh diversities of operations, differences in over there in 1 Corinthians 12. There it is. Um there is differences of administrations but the same spirit, and then diversities of operations, but the same God, which worketh all in all. So you got differences of administrations, ways that it's going to be done, and then diversities of operations. And so I believe that that is um, that's 1 Corinthians chapter 12, verse 5 and 6. I absolutely believe that that is, and then you'll reach a point like when God tells me that my time is up and it's time to pass right way over to whoever it is. I'm I'm fighting it because this is uh purpose lives on and purpose should pass you. You should, I don't think you you purpose should always outlive you rather. Uh so I'll be on the next thing that God has purposed me to do, and it may not be in the pulpit, but it will be what I'm called to do in some way, in some operation, right? Though different, but some operation. So to your question, that's that's kind of a more of a correcting how it's how it's stated versus it not being true. So yeah, I um I believe every man. Now do we still say that's one purpose? Uh God gives every man three things spiritual gifts, natural talents, and acquired skills. And so you have purpose. That's how I like to teach that. You are purposed for something, and that the thing that you're purpose for can be lived out in different ways. That that's that's how I like to say that.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_06 13:45

Yeah, Paul was very clear. I'm I am an apostle to the Gentiles, but he was also a great letter, he was also a great storyteller, he was also a great writer, yeah, right? Um but his main call was to be an apostle to the Gentiles. And then in Romans, I think it's 13, he says, and I magnify my office.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

I magnify my office. Yeah, I remember that, huh? I magnify my office. So that can mean, like you said, different avenues, yeah. So yeah, absolutely. Like every capacity of uh of the office.

SPEAKER_06 14:18

Like you are a teacher, you're an amazing poet, you got some like Sunday school, you know, but all of this, if we if we were to go all the way back to the core of it, it is the use of your voice. Right? Wow, and then different streams and avenues that you by which your voice is able to be used.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Oh clarity, edify the people of God, and you receive the Lord. And she sings still with the voice. Because, yeah, okay, because I've been asking the Lord to show me clearly. Amen. Praise God.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

Mm-hmm. Here for it one time. What gonna need right now?

SPEAKER_02 15:01

And my yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

It got climbed up by glasses. Oh, okay. You need something um to wipe your glasses from?

SPEAKER_06 15:14

No, I'm just joking. Oh, he comes with Chicago. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

I'm ready to see the cloud, too. I wanted to see it. But that was that was beautiful, Power.

Second Adam Sonship And Creation

SPEAKER_02 15:25

That was um Adam and Abinadom.

SPEAKER_06 15:28

Yeah, Adam and Abinadam. Um, or what we would call the second Adam. A lot of people don't like to use the word Abinadom. It's in 1 Corinthians chapter 14. Uh Jesus is the second Adam. Bible teaches us that. Uh, and then another scripture says that he was the figure. Uh first uh Romans chapter, thank you, Holy Spirit. Romans chapter 5 uh says that uh he was the figure of that Adam was the figure. I remember I got an argument when I said Adam didn't sin, he became sin because he was a type and shadow of Jesus. And people argued me down about that, but right there in Romans chapter uh five, verse 14, it's clear nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned, after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Yeah, who was to come?

SPEAKER_02 16:17

He's right there.

SPEAKER_06 16:18

Right there in the scripture.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

Right there.

SPEAKER_06 16:21

So I let him argue with me for a while. Then I said, I'm about to go ahead and drop this drop this bomb on y'all and let y'all see it right there in the book for yourself.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

You should have done your famous. It don't even have to be. Y'all don't read.

SPEAKER_06 16:30

And then in 1 Corinthians 15, it says that the first Adam was a um a living, um, what is that? 1 Corinthians chapter 15 talks about the first Adam. Uh, howbeit that which was not first, uh, which is spiritual, but that which is natural afterwards that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, the second man, that's talking about the second Adam, Jesus, is the Lord from heaven. And what verse is that by uh 46 and 47. All the way down to verse 49, because 49 concludes with saying, And as we have borne the image of the earthly, the first Adam, yeah, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly, the second Adam, Jesus. With the glorified body. With the glorified body. But but but even now though, right? Right, we we bear that earthly image of Jesus now. Mm-hmm. It's right there in the book.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

It's right there in the book. So okay, so this that question just rose up in me. So just like um, like you said, we bear uh the image of Jesus, just like Jesus bear the image of the image of God. Right. That's delicious.

SPEAKER_06 17:35

Yeah, John chapter 17.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 17:37

Yeah. Keep them, make them, make them one as you and I are one.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

Yeah, I'm gonna eat on this.

SPEAKER_06 17:46

Yeah, Ephesians 3 tells us that we're part of the heavenly family. Mm-hmm. Romans chapter 8 tells us we're heirs of God and John heirs with Christ. Right? Yeah. Then it tells us Galatians 4 tells us that we're sons of gods, right? Considers Jesus to be our elder brother.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

And then the verse that says, Now are we his sons.

SPEAKER_06 18:07

Now are we his sons, that's right. That's not yet. And to them that believe gave he them power to be the sons of God. We're sons of God.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Yeah. That's delicious. And I remember you breaking down what uh sons of God meant because uh people tend to think that that is just uh a gender, a male gender. Right, it's not. But it's because uh you broke it down like this, and it was that was delicious too. It's the imputed uh righteousness of Jesus, who was a son. So that's why we so when God looks at us, he sees Jesus if you're a believer. Absolutely. And that's why we're called the Son Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 18:42

Just as the earth got its source from the sun, humans get their source from the sun. Yeah. People chasing the wrong sun, chasing the wrong sun, chasing the wrong sun, chasing the wrong sun.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Man. Chasing the wrong sun.

SPEAKER_06 19:00

All this lower energy you're reaching for. All this lower.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

And we love to talk about lower vibrations, but that's still coming up short. Still coming up short.

SPEAKER_06 19:08

Yep. The sun gets its light from the sun. From the sun. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 19:13

And now we know that out of Genesis.

SPEAKER_06 19:16

It is not a self-sustaining source. No, it's not. No.

unknown 19:20

No.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

No, it's not. Got their power from that. Let there be. Let there be. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

Yeah. And we see that in the relationship between the sun and the moon. The moon has no light on its own. It's just the reflection that we see from the sun. That's it. I've been enjoying the solar system too. It's been been pretty good. When understanding, you know creation and all that.

SPEAKER_06 19:43

You understand it. Absolutely delicious. It takes a creator to do this. It does. It does.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

To think that so to think so so much could come from a bang. Like everything is lined up perf perfectly. Oh yeah. Like if it's an inch closer, it couldn't sustain.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

It couldn't sustain.

SPEAKER_06 20:02

It'd be over.

SPEAKER_02 20:03

Even the speed at the rotation, yeah. Yeah. The speed of the rotation. Yeah. We was uh we were talking about that also. Uh and I was saying, and and then I I want to know your thoughts on this also. Uh even after the fall, how how perfectly the earth is in relation to itself and all the things and this interdependent ship. Because I think it was even better than this. Before the fall. Oh, absolutely. Like how everything, you know, works together or whatever. Yeah. And but it's because it's so fragile. That lets me that makes me feel like this is even in this fragility, this is after the fall. Yeah.

unknown 20:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:42

Earth is still putting up with some of the torment of sin.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:45

Yeah. It's still putting up. Actually, the more righteous man is, earth experiences that righteousness. The more sinful man is, earth experiences that sinfulness. Because it is still under the stewardship of man. So whatever man is to God, earth is to man.

SPEAKER_02 21:06

And you know what this takes me back to, Pops? Beauty and the beast. It takes me back. As long as the prince was good, and his name was Adam. I'm I'm still always tickled by that. Long as Adam was good, his kingdom and everything surrounded, down to the grounds on the outside. Absolutely good.

SPEAKER_06 21:24

Well, what the scripture said. When it goeth well with the righteous, the city resorts. The city resorts. Yeah.

unknown 21:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:31

That's what the books say. So that's why I say we want to keep confusion because when it's not well with us, the city experiences that it suffers as a result of that. And whenever the church wakes up and realizes its power, we will stop, we'll we'll we'll unite, we'll put down, we'll stop all this sibling and denominational rivalry, and we'll come together so that we're trying to pray it away when we when actually we should be uniting it away.

SPEAKER_02 21:59

And that makes Sense now that you explained it that way, that people get so angry with the church. Oh, yeah. When stuff's going wrong. And they be like, Where's the church? Even though they're bashing the church, uh, you know.

SPEAKER_00 22:09

It even the Bible even says waiting for the earnest expectation of the church. Oh, yeah, of the sons of God. That's what it's waiting on. The Bible says the earth is travailing.

SPEAKER_06 22:16

Yeah. Until now. Help me. Even so.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

And that's why I remember you teaching us that um God needs his children in every area of the earth. So, like what Pastor Corey in um politics. So, like, we need to be set up in different areas and governments and situations and things so we can bring about the blessing of the Lord to everybody.

SPEAKER_00 22:41

Yeah, he said that atmosphere is supposed to change because you there. Because you there. That's right. We represent.

SPEAKER_06 22:46

That's right. Just walked in the room. Yeah. Everything supposed to shift. Yeah, he's supposed to feel different. Yeah, darkness is supposed to move out the way when you walk in the room.

SPEAKER_02 22:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:54

Yeah. That's that's that's how much power is supposed to be emanating from us. Jesus walked in the room, demons start talking. Right. Why are you here? Come ye here the 12 minutes before I have time. Jesus has to say, shut up. Shut up. He didn't ask you to expose me, huh? Right. Knew he was. Sit down. Set your mouth.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

What? Shut up. Shut up. Shut up.

SPEAKER_06 23:21

Take the paper off, put that in your mouth. Cement.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

Oh, shut up. Man, that took me Sunday. That was good. I I um I'm always, you know, fascinated with the inner workings of the scripture and how, you know, it'd be presented to us over and over again, you know. But, you know, of course, spiritual maturation and all that. And then, of course, hearing Holy Spirit, being led by the Holy Spirit, actually studying. Yeah. And it'd be right there, you know, in plain sight. I think it's just incredibly delicious. I think that is delicious. And I got a question answered tonight. Really? Yeah. About the 42 generations. Like, oh wow. Why does it take you? You could have done that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Yeah. Yeah. I remember distinctly he when he taught on that when he was talking about the systems, when he was talking about the kingdom. Yeah, because we were talking about eight minutes. He has to manifest in the earth. Like he already knows it's gonna happen, but he has to wait system to show up, and then now he can do what he needs to do in the system.

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SPEAKER_02 26:32

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Circumcision Covenant And Righteousness

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Number 10 in Exodus 4, Zipporah circumcised his son and laid the body of skin on Moses. What did circumcision represent? And even in Acts, we see where uh Paul circumcised Timothy.

SPEAKER_06 26:59

So circumcision came about from the promise to God of Abraham and his seed. Actually, circumcision is really what made you a Jew. Uh Romans chapter 4, verse 11, it actually is the is the answer to this question. It says, and he received a sign of circumcision. What is it? A seal of righteousness, of faith, which he had uh yet being uncircumcised, that he might be the father of them that believe, though they be not circumcised, that righteousness might be imputed unto them. So the circumcision, the answer is, was a sign of a seal of righteousness. That's what it would, that's why the Bible says now we're that same circumcision happens to us, but it's one of the heart, right? That seal of righteousness. That's why Ephesians 4 says the Holy Spirit seals us to the day of redemption, because we now in our hearts have that seal of righteousness. Well, Old Testament, remember our first question was it's progressive. Old Testament, it progressed from a circumcision seal to now a sealing of the heart. Yeah. So the reason why, because the boy was gonna die. He was outside of covenant. You know, anything that was righteous, those who lived with God would be judged. So she circumcised it and threw it in Moses like you should have done this. Like, I it ain't my responsibility. You had you should have why you why you incircumcise the boy. Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

He should have knew better.

SPEAKER_06 28:30

Yeah, he should have known better. She threw it. But Moses mad all in his man, wake up, dude. Could come to your senses, not right. Yeah, so that's what she did. She circumcised him so the judgment wouldn't come on him.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

Because I was like, why did she do it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

And then I was like, so is that why they consider they referred to other people as uncircumcised? Right.

SPEAKER_06 28:53

That's where we get that from. Oh, the uncircumcised. Circumcised, it's rich like an indication of righteous and unrighteous, saved and unsaved. Jew and Gentile is what we call it.

SPEAKER_03 29:02

Right. Uncircumcised Philistines.

SPEAKER_06 29:04

Right. Uncle's Philistines, yeah. In other words, say y'all ain't righteous. Not righteous. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

Okay. Wrong team, man. Wrong team.

SPEAKER_06 29:13

Yeah. Y'all might be kidding. Wrong team. I'm why I'm following the guy right now on Instagram. I don't follow him. I looked at a couple of his videos, and of course, they they kind of put you in the algorithm. But uh that that that slingshot, it ain't no joke. Oh, absolutely. That ain't no that ain't no slow-moving object. That's like slingshot moving like the speed of a bullet. Yeah. And I'm talking about for distances, you know, for a great distance. So it's not hard to believe that five smooth stones out of a riverbed could sink inside of his head. Yeah, right. Moving at that speed. Right. And it's like it gains accurate.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

Gain momentum. It don't seem like he's slow at the distance.

SPEAKER_06 29:53

Like he gains momentum. And it's long. You know, we think of a slang little. That thing was long. Yeah, man. That got that got, man, that thing made it sound like a gun. It did. It did. So, you know, when when I hear stories like he killed a lion, okay. It makes it even believable because if you're using a sling and you getting him from a distance and you're that accurate with it, oh, you got him long before he got like long before he got a home. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

Yeah, that's that's interesting too.

SPEAKER_06 30:29

Yeah, but I believe those supernatural abilities come up on that.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

That too, absolutely. Absolutely. So now that we're here, too, with the slingshot. So we he says he had five, five stones.

SPEAKER_06 30:43

Five smooth stones.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Five stones. Um, I think I read where the other stones were for his his siblings or some other people that were coming up after him.

SPEAKER_06 30:54

I have no idea about that. I've never revelatory looked into why. I know, you know, only the far as I've ever gotten with that in my head was that five was the number of grace.

SPEAKER_03 31:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:06

He took five, he only needed one. Yeah. You know, uh, God is not a waste of words. So five probably has some significance to it. But I've just never, I've never just looked into it. Why five? Why not one? Why couldn't one have done it? Why they need a five? Right. I'm quite sure if I just prayed and did some some studying and a bunch of some of my old books I've had in college, I find it but I just never thought to he did it with the first one he used.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

Right, that's all he needed. That's what we needed. That's all he needed. Yeah. That was good, that was good. Um it says, how do you truth well, be dead that one? Okay.

Hearing God Without Chasing Voices

SPEAKER_02 31:46

Do you think there are people predestined to hear God better than most, like from birth? And I put uh John the Baptist because the scripture said that he had the Holy Spirit even when he was in his mother's womb. And uh, of course, Ariane and I talk a lot about uh scripture and you know things of that nature. Um we were looking at uh Jackie Hill Peary, who uh she said she always heard the voice of God, even though she wasn't saved yet. So do you think that there are certain people who hear him keener than other people? Yes. And it has nothing to do with them being believers.

SPEAKER_06 32:22

Yeah, because the gifts and callings of God are without repentance. So if you're a prophet, you're a prophet unsaved or saved. Right? If you have according to 1 Corinthians chapter 12, where we we minister gifts and gifts of the Spirit, uh Minister gifts and operational gifts. I mean, if you have word of wisdom and word of knowledge, you have word of wisdom and word of knowledge saved or unsaved. That's why it's easy for people to become psychics, it's easy for people to become tarot card readers and those things because that gift was given to them from birth.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

Anyway, right.

SPEAKER_06 32:50

If Satan can get in and manipulate it, but then he could definitely use it for the advancement of his kingdom. Uh, but yeah, I do believe that those gifts um allow people to hear, I I wouldn't use the word better, I would probably say more keener. Um but uh because a right relationship with God and and you know helps anyone to hear God's voice. And I don't think it's not always God's when when even when I'm teaching, I say, okay, God, I hear you. I'm not, I'm it's not like God is talking, though God is talking. It's not audible like you guys hear me now. It may, it's a scripture comes like sometimes I see visually in my in my head, in my spirit, I can see him holding up a scripture, and I'd be like, okay, God, I hear you. Turn over that Galatians, right? That's the voice of God visually. Sometimes I'm preaching, and Holy Spirit says, uh, Ephesians chapter, and I oh, I hear you, God. Turn over to Ephesians because we're in the dispensation of Holy Spirit. You can go all of your life and not hear the audible voice of God. That's what the scripture means. Okay, it says sing God. But when it when people say, I hear God, I would trust no one who is telling me they always hear God's audible voice. I would never trust them. Well, I ain't gonna say I wouldn't trust them. I would first want to correct them, and then if they tell me no, that's God's audible voice, I'm not gonna trust you any further. Because we're in the dispensation of Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit speaks in your spirit, you know. But if you're saying God is sitting down like this, talking to you like this, uh I'm I'm gonna have some, I'm I'm gonna have a little premonition about it.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

So is that why um in Old Testament they tended to hear his audible voice?

SPEAKER_06 34:31

They tended to hear right, because we have we have we we have documentation of him being written out and being lived out, right? Uh but he tells Moses, write these things you've heard. Romans chapter 15 says, whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning through that we through patience and comfort of the scripture might have hope. All scripture is given by the inspiration of God, it's profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness. So, what did God give us in order to hear him? The scripture. Right? Holy Spirit brings back to our remembrance all things we have learned. So, you know, I just try to be as clear for that as I can. I get what you're saying when you say you hear God, but it's really Holy Spirit speaking to our spirit. Uh, I probably would say I've only heard God's audible voice three times in my whole life. Yeah. Definitely when he called me the pastor. I heard his audible voice when I was. Well, I he said, shut down your shop, go into ministry four times.

SPEAKER_02 35:28

Audibly.

SPEAKER_06 35:28

Yeah. It was so audible that I thought somebody was in my back seat. Like I like somebody talking to me, like I'm talking to you. Like I turned around and looked in my back seat and I was like, oh my God, I just started crying because I couldn't question it. That was God's voice.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

Yeah, yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 35:47

Yep. I heard his audible voice when he told me what the name of the church was. Yep. I'm walking through, uh I was at 4100 Jared Row. I'm walking through the living room, and I heard God say, 1 Samuel uh 12, 23, Psalms 107 and 7. He said, just like they said, first Psalms 107 and 7. And I went over that of both of those scriptures, and that was right with it. Other times, like I heard him hear. This is the audible voice of God is always here. Hearing God is here because he's speaking by his spirit. The audible voice of God, you hear it with your ears. If anybody telling me they're always hearing God with their ears, I'm gonna question that. We're in the dispensation of the Holy Spirit. Why would he need to talk to you like that and give you his spirit? For the spirit such as all things, yeah, the deep things of God. Yeah, so when I when I be hearing people say that, uh maybe you're a little confused in how you talk here. But my question is gonna be when you say you hear God's voice, where do you hear it? Do you hear it here? Because you hear me here, right? If I say something and God speaks to you, although I'm talking here, you hear it here.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:06

Because God speaks to our spirit, yeah, spirit to spirit, not to our ears. So if he's speaking to your ears, it is something directly that he's trying to get. And I'm not saying he don't do it, but for someone say they're talking to him all the time like that. Because he didn't even talk to Jesus like that all the time. The Bible says it was stirred in his spirit that he needed to go to Son. So he's stirring in Jesus' spirit to go. Spirit to spirit. Even him in a body on a lower level who deprived himself of the prerogatives of God, he shows us the relationship and how a son, which would be us, was to have relationship with a father by walking out that relationship as son and as father, and in that shoulders that he speaks to the son in his spirit. Yeah. So people get to tell him.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

When he says spirit, he's pointing to his chest and heart area. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:59

I'm sorry, yeah, yeah. That little thump you heard working on that chest, but yeah. Yeah, but your spirit man. Your spirit. Yeah, your spirit man.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

So that would make sense why our spirit man is fed by uh scripture.

SPEAKER_06 38:11

Absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

Because he can't bring it back to our memories if it's in it, is it in there?

SPEAKER_06 38:16

Yep. Yep, if it's just in your head. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

That's good. I enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_06 38:24

Now, for anybody listening, you God talking to you like that, let him keep talking. Y'all, y'all. If the conversation is working, keep on talking, don't stop. No.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

Right. Oh, God.

Head Coverings Traditions And Context

SPEAKER_02 38:38

All right. The next one we have is 1 Corinthians 11 and 4. Uh, does the scripture hold weight for all believers? I want to read it. Sure. So that the people can hear. Having his head, well, no, this is a different one. Every man prophesying and praying, having his head covered dishonoreth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoreth her head. For that is even all one as she were shaving. So, um, I've seen uh churches where the women are there and their heads are covered with like uh a white little lace type deal or just head with head scarf, whatever. Um when I was y younger, I wondered what that was about. And yeah, it almost looked scary to me for whatever reason. It looked like a code or something. I'm not sure. But uh can you expound on that those scriptures for us past?

SPEAKER_06 39:48

So I think it's two scriptures that, you know, sometimes it's important when to get the context to read down into it. I think one something that has kind of threaded itself throughout our entire conversation is progressive revelation and context. Kind of what we've been, you know, uh some and and and that goes to the count to our to our wonderful uh director here. Uh Zach Trice just hooked this thing up so beautifully uh with our in the in the yes that has been coming for the if we look at verse two Paul mentions a key word here, he calls it ordinances. So he's talking about ordinances, not commandments. That that that's that's important because an ordinance is an allowable system set up by man with the permission of God. Okay, that's what an ordinance is, right? It's a it's a it's a it's an allowable system set up by man, but permitted from God. In other words, God says you could do it. So when I see churches, they got all the women sitting on one side, all the men sitting on the other side. If that's the ordinance that church has, uh and God is God is with it, it's it's growing. The church is the truth of the word is being spoken. Some churches, women wear no makeup. Okay, God gives in every man's lane, God gives that man some wiggle room. And if that's if that's that man's way of holding to holiness or feeling like the people that are called to him is gonna keep them in a righteous walk, then if he got followers, then fine. Long as it ain't no satanic, cultic stuff going on, if that's what they want to do. So in in this measure, we have an we have an allowable ordinance, but I want to read it to you in the amplified. He says, I appreciate and commend you because you always remember me in everything and keep firm possession of the traditions, the substance of my instructions, just as I verbally passed them on to you. So Paul is teaching an ordinance or amplified the amplified A M P C excuse me, amplifies that word and calls it a tradition. So we're we're simply we gotta understand we're dealing with a tradition here, right? And Paul is giving permission for this tradition to happen in this church. Okay, he's not against it. Okay, yeah. Okay, we keep reading over to verse 16. He concludes the conversation of this tradition by saying, But if any man seem to be contentious, you got argument, you against it, you don't want to do it. Paul says, We have no such custom, neither the churches of God. He says, So if this church wants to do this, if they want to have the head covered, if they want the women to let them have it, we don't have that custom in all the churches of God.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 42:35

That's it. I remember my lady told me one time, I'm I'm I I don't I don't believe in wearing red lipstick. Women don't want God told me not to, I said what God told you, because he knows how you get to pop in when you put red lipstick on. I'm saying because I think we make the mistake of embedding what our personal convictions that God put on us, we indoctrinate them to others. And Paul is making sure that this does not unravel in the church in this way by number one, protecting those who are for the practice, but then telling those that they don't want to do it, don't come in here with that type of contention. Let them have it. If that's how they're gonna cover their heads, you know, we're very free, right? We have I don't believe a prayer is hindered if a guy prays with a ball cap on. If one of my ministers preach with a ball cap on, no different than if a woman prays and she's not covered out, you know, so you got people wearing shawls and you know putting Jewish stuff on. And I mean, it's a good look, but is there any faith behind what you're saying? You dressed it up, but are you convinced in what you're saying? And I just think we keep going back to all these Old Testament rituals in um Matthew, Mark 7, it's clear. It says, making the word of God of none offense through your traditions, which some men love. Right, and so we just got to be careful. You know, I'm I'm for traditions, but. But you can't be pushing those traditions on other people as if that's the way. So Paul is unraveling this in First Corinthians 11 by saying, Listen, if any man be contentious, we have no such custom. Right. Neither are the churches of God. So this is a custom for them, it's an ordinance for them. Don't make everybody else do this. Right, okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:22

So you're not wrong either way.

SPEAKER_06 44:23

No, you're not wrong either way. So if I go up in a church and I mean, we've gone on some occasions before, you know, back in the day we were a young church and people wanted your praise team to come and do an A and B selection. I'd have to tell y'all, hey, y'all, y'all wearing dresses. Wear dresses. Right? Don't put no pants on. We're wearing dresses. Right. Right? Take earrings off. You know? We've done that. Yeah, we because we want to respect the custom of that house. Yeah. Right? And we're not going to come in there and be all contingent. The Bible, you that ain't even have pants back in the house. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

We don't have to argue.

SPEAKER_06 44:54

Yeah, no, we got to be contentious with that. We're going to respect that house. If that pastor says he wants women with dresses, pull your dress out.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

Pull your dresses out.

SPEAKER_06 45:01

That's it. That's it. We have liberty in the right way. It ain't ungodly liberty, but we ain't, we're not, and but I'm not going to knock those who are. Right, right. That's what they want. And the people, evidently, the people agree with it, because he got folks coming out, packing out the church. Right. But then, hey, leave it be. Don't condemn us because we don't. Right. When I had dreads, they they locks. They guys used try to get on me all the time. And I say, well, you dying your gray hair, so how you gonna you can't talk about my locks when you dye in yours.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

Man, I must be your spiritual daughter. I get them, you know.

SPEAKER_06 45:37

I get them off me real quick. Yeah. Because that that long hair thing, I think it's uh it's right in there about a man having long hair. But I told him, hey man, we don't we don't have that contentious in in Right.

SPEAKER_02 45:48

And a woman having not being able to cut her hair. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because it's her glory. But I always felt like that just mean keep your hair done, keep it right. And that's it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:58

Well, I mean, they they had those ordinances back then that a woman wasn't supposed to cut her hair, you know. But again, we we're still, it's almost like when when Paul says, slaves obey your masters, right? People stop there. They don't keep reading. And then he says, and masters do likewise. So he wasn't left telling a slave to do something that the master wasn't supposed to do either. Paul knew that the church was young. It didn't have a strong root system, and you're in a culture of not enslavement. See, we we we make the mistake of taking this Bible and westernizing it like we Israel, which we're not. The type of slavery that was happening then was not the type of slavery that we see that we had in the United States. Take a man from his country and and chains, whips in his back. That was a form of occupation back then in those times. So Paul, with this young church, he didn't send out a revolt. He didn't say, No, we're gonna break that system up. And I mean, they they they were owned, right? Some of them came in by by way of agreement, some of them came in by way of debt owed and decided to stay, and some of them had to work their debts out. So when we get over there to Philemon, Paul is talking. Uh I love how my pastor said, he said, I got a button on my shirt. I got two ways I can take this button off. I can rip it, and if I rip it, I'm gonna mess the whole shirt up. Right. But if I take time and unravel it, I save the button and the shirt. And the shirt, yeah. So Paul is wise in unraveling slavery. So he saved the church and he saved the people. He doesn't just rip it apart. He could have told it, you gonna revolt, but how you gonna revolt against a Roman system? Right. They would have lost, they were young. Right. So he unravels slavery. It no nowhere in scripture does he agree with it because he tells the master to do likewise and then pay them the wages that they are owed. That don't sound like he agreeing to slavery.

SPEAKER_02 47:58

We know slaves weren't paid. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_06 48:00

Yeah, so you know people, when people only read one scripture and stop and then indoctrinate a script or develop a doctrine of one scripture, then they do harm to the entire Bible. Absolutely. And thus we have people that don't want to believe in it because they themselves, that's what trips me out. They won't even go and read. Like they just gonna believe what one person said and won't even go take time and look at it.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

Right and study. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 48:25

So I was glad to see when you asked that question right there, because it's a couple of scriptures before and after that that closes out that whole conversation of uh if they want to do it, let them do it. But all churches don't have that ordinance in in their churches. And Paul says, and that's fine. Because it's just a custom that you all can hold to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:45

That makes me think about uh when you were telling us about your grandfather, and like you said, people are making doctrines out of things that they have personal convictions for and you said that your grandfather was you know instructed not to listen to jazz music anymore because it made him, you know, feel a certain type of way or whatever. And for him, the jazz music was a sin if he listened to it. Right. But it might not be for me because it doesn't have a certain effect on me. Right. I just like the music. Yeah. So uh even what you were saying, pork is a sin for you because it's harmful to you and the Lord instructed you not to eat it again. So if you eat it again, you know, you you out of fellowship. Right, right. Yeah. I've missed the mark. Yeah. Right. Absolutely. That's good. Uh we went when we were little, I forgot the name of the church, um, but we had to go to the church. You know, we used to call it communications back then. And all of us had to take our earrings out. The women, we had to take our earrings out. And I don't think nobody was marrying wearing makeup then, but we definitely had to take our earrings out there.

SPEAKER_06 49:45

We better take them earrings off. Yeah. I'm gonna have them husses up there by Quaster singing. Jezebel's up there singing.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

We were taught to, you know, respect the laws of the house.

SPEAKER_06 49:55

So you better not have no red fingernail policy. Oh, you're a woman of the streets. A Jezebel. Better get that Jezebel up out of here. My golly. You talk about the one that don't have no makeup on. Man, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

Get that ring out behind you.

SPEAKER_02 50:14

And that don't have nothing to do with it.

SPEAKER_06 50:17

Nothing to do with it. It was going by sight.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

Going by sight. Yep.

Gossip Versus Venting With Counsel

SPEAKER_02 50:24

All right. The next one says, uh, explain the depths of gossip. How do we separate gossip from normal conversation or it's just venting?

SPEAKER_06 50:36

I think we have to be real careful. I think it's gossip when you are sharing information or sharing something that happened with no conclusion of resolve. I think then it becomes gossip. If you're spreading something that's harmful, contaminant, or toxic for the purpose of other people knowing about it, that's gossip. If I am coming to you and I am talking to you because I have a resolved, I have an issue, and I'm there's wisdom in the counsel of men, and I'm coming to you because I want to know the best way to confront it. Well, I'm not gossiping. If that person that I shared it with takes it and shares it with someone else for the purpose of not for the same purpose that I came, but for the purpose of just passing the information on to someone else because they want someone else to know what happened, they then are gossiping. And that falls under the category of Proverbs chapter 6, verse 16 through 19. These six things do the Lord hate, gay seven is an abomination. And one of those things is he that runneth to and fro starting bishop. And if you study that out, that's a gossiping person. Discord. Yeah. Yeah. He that saw discord amongst the brothers. If you share information and it's gonna bring discord, cause a person to look at someone else in a negative light, you then are a gossiper. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

That's good. Okay. That was simple and good. Yeah, I was gonna say that's cut pretty cut and dry.

SPEAKER_06 52:07

Amen. Repent. If I I think bidding is for the purpose of me finding the ear of an accountable person that I can dump and they know how to take the trash out.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:19

I don't have to worry about hearing it again. It's gonna stop right there, but I need to find somebody I can get it out. Right. I just need to get this out. Right. Right. I'm not gonna look safe right now. I'm not gonna, I may not look the holiest right now. But at the end of it, I can get it off on you. You're gonna still see me as a child of God. Right, right. You may have to correct me. You may have to, you know, you have to you may even have to spank me back, but I know that I'm in a safe space where I can get this off me. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Absolutely. That that there's nothing wrong with that type of venting. I think people should do, if people did that, we wouldn't have all this stuff on social media that people are not calling ministry. That is not. We wouldn't have it on there. And they don't, they don't even realize they're gossiping. They are not venting. We should not be correcting the church and the audience of the world. No, we shouldn't. Because there's nothing they can do about it. In front of the world, it's called evangelism. Right. That's what it's called. And that's you're not evangelizing if you're sharing the problems of the church with the world. No. That's not evangelism at all. That's not sharing Christ. That's beating up his wife. That's beating up his wife.

SPEAKER_00 53:22

Sure is. And he's gonna have to come see you by the way. Oh, yeah, yeah. A bunch of them. A bunch of them.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

Man, so that goes back to one time I know we were talking about uh, you know, when things happen, we have to separate. You said something about God defending his word. Made look like Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 53:45

He don't, he don't what we often think is judgment is God defending his word.

SPEAKER_03 53:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 53:52

Yeah, God gonna defend his word. Yeah. He don't have to judge you because sin gonna run its course. The Bible says sin already has a judgment attached to it. He don't even have to touch it. It brings that's why he could forgive you of it, because if you keep doing it, it's gonna sin judges itself with death, separation from God or physical harm, whatever the case may be. But but God will defend his word, and in the defense of his word, it may look like judgment, but it's not. It's just God defending his word. It may be judgment to you, but God is like, nah, I ain't judging you. I just gotta defend my word because my word can't return void. And if I don't defend my word, then it it's not gonna be, it's not they're not looking at you, they're looking at me. Right. So I gotta defend my word. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

So what's an example of God defending his word?

When God Defends His Word

SPEAKER_06 54:38

Um good question. What would be a good way of God defending defending his? Okay, let's just say people, people, I'll use myself as an example. Like if I stand up and say, God told us to do this, and and then somebody's gonna say, God didn't tell that man to do that. Ain't no way. I know God didn't tell him to do that. Well, well, if God told me to do it, he and you got this group that you are carousing and coercing to be against what God said to me. Well, it ain't this it. You see, you think you're talking against me. You ain't talking against me. I only said it because God said it. Yeah, yeah. And so now God gotta defend himself. I keep my hands off of it. I just keep the God is gonna defend, and we don't know how that will play out in his defense towards them. It could just be it comes to pass. Right. You just help, you just help expedite it. It's time to eat. You get what I'm saying? You know, that that's you know, and and it just makes you look like a bigger liar, you know, where it may have taken time since you want to get out here with your advertisement. God said, Well, I'm gonna show you, and just bam, you know. And then the thing happens supernaturally, you know, where it may have been another process. That's why you never go back at your haters because they just help.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Yeah, and they help.

SPEAKER_06 55:54

Right? You'll make it anything different with that. Or then sometimes it depends on the extent of it, man. Like you said, it that that person gets sick and stuff starts happening to them, but they've been saying you all this type of person and you, you know, a fraudster and you all of this, and you evil, and then stuff, like I had this girl, beautiful example. This girl, um, she was, man, she was dog walking, my mentor, Apostle Hilliard. Um because now the helicopter he flew in to get to his six churches, it belonged to the church. It wasn't his. So he wanted to, uh, the helicopter needed new blades. Well, it's not his personally, it belonged to the church. So they put out a letter to the church and asked the church whoever would sold a $52 seed and they would they would get the helicopter blades. Well, the news caught hold to it, some lady caught hold to it, and it came out all over Texas that he asked the people for a $52 seed, and if anybody sold the $52 seed, they was gonna get a brand new car. But that's not what he said. What? Yeah, so he texted Mama, he showed Mama B. She told him, she said, send it out again. So he sent it out again. Do you know people? I was one of them, people actually start sowing $52 seeds and was getting brand new cars.

unknown 57:13

What?

SPEAKER_06 57:13

Yeah, and he didn't even say that. Right. Then saying uh news like they want him to fix, he asked some people to fix his personal helicopter, it wasn't his. The helicopter had on the side of it new light Christian Center Church. It was the church's helicopter. So of course he shouldn't have to come out of his pocket to fix something that belonged to the church.

SPEAKER_03 57:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 57:33

But that's how the news media spun it. Yeah, and people actually started sewing $52 seeds and started getting brand new cars. I'm one of them. I got Pastor M first Mercedes Benz truck from sewing that $52 seed. Sure did. Yeah. Good looking now. So so God took what the what the news, the gossip that the news tried to, and turned it on the news, and people start, testimony started coming in.

SPEAKER_02 57:59

It's amazing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 58:01

So he'll he'll do it. Yeah. Yeah, he'll he'll he'll do exactly what he's saying.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

Yeah. Good looking now. Whoever that was. Good looking now.

SPEAKER_06 58:10

Yeah, so you'll you know your enemies, man. They they they make they make them them they make some footstools. Every obstacle, every stumbling block is a stepping stone. Sturdy footstools.

SPEAKER_01 58:22

Spoke it right into existence. Right. Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_00 58:24

Yeah. And I want to thank you. Thank you.

Integrity Beats Social Media Receipts

SPEAKER_06 58:31

We just had a girl, this was months ago. You know the rumors, we're we're called a cult.

SPEAKER_02 58:35

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 58:36

And um, of course, I'm greeting people at the door. I see a girl there for the first time. She got the box, so I know you've just joined the church, so I'm talking to her, and I was like, hey, how you doing? Oh man, I'm so glad you're here. You know, my little spiel. I'm so honored to have you, that type of thing. Um, and I do mean that, so by the way, see, not my spiel. People are taking it. He definitely means it, guys. And so I said, Well, what I asked her, I said, Well, what brought you to the church? And I just the week before the girl came there, and we did baptism up front, and things just didn't go well. It kind of just kind of got congested. You know, she was late. Let's go and say that number one. She didn't say that in her video that she got there late, and I didn't even know nothing about the student manager and the children. Don't buy to say nothing to me. Well, that's because you got there late. You know, you didn't tell all that part. Yeah, you didn't tell that part of the story. And they they took her in one door and we couldn't see because she got there late, because everybody's standing up, so we couldn't see where no seats were because you got there late. Right. And she wanted to go out another door, but we couldn't let you go out that door because it would have been water on the floor because we baptized it. Right, because you got that late, and we trying to, you know, we're trying to protect her from falling, but she would have found out that out had she not got that late. Right, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 59:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 59:50

And so she wanted to leave back out the door. She started getting a little frustrated, and I told them, hey, hey, let her out. Let well, instead of coming out, she turned around and walked back in and ended up staying at a whole service. Got out, man, went live, talking about how horrible we were. And oh now they they praise and worship, they sound, it's an amazing production, but they fake and all. I mean, I'm talking about, man, she just went sound ballad on us, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:11

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:12

And cult, this type of thing. Y'all need to come to then took the time to advertise her church, which I believe was the whole reason why. But you just she just totally disrespected her friend who invited her to her baptism. You didn't care nothing about your the fact that this was your friend church that you decided to go live on. Right. However, uh, but she still left off the fact that she was late, you know, so you couldn't get all of that that you talked about because, you know, we were already 10 minutes into service. You know. However, um, somehow it got out, you know, we a cult, this, that, and the third. So this um the lady came to church two weeks later, lady shows up at church. I see the box, I'm talking to her. I said, Well, what made you, what, what is it that brought you here? She said, Oh, I heard y'all was a cult. I say, and that made you come? She said, Yeah, I just wanted to know if it was true or not. And so I joke back, I say, How do you feel about joining the cult? Yeah. And she just smiled and she says, It's not a cult. Right. First time coming, join the person. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:18

And that's because I just kept my mouth shut. Yeah. And I ain't say nothing back. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:23

Integrity will always have the link.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:25

Integrity will always have. I could have gone on there and shamed her. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I had receipts. We got we got cameras all around our church. I could have pulled camera footage and showed her with a time stamp that you church was already 10 minutes in before you got there. Right. And you was late. Right. I could have, I could have pulled a camera and showed you acting a fool at the door. At the door. Had the receipts. But what good is that gonna next that go path up the church? See, you you you you'll never be able to outdo that. Yeah, you'll never be able to write that. So the best thing to do was just shed up. And me shedding up caused a lady to come in two weeks to visit the church, join the church, and brought her whole kids with her.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

Yeah, you know, a lot of time users don't, they don't like order. Amen. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:10

We don't want order. Yeah, we don't, we don't want order. And I mean, I was mad, I was hurt. I mean, it made other people get on social media and say I was doing, oh yeah, he he he looked like he like he hit on women. That's why when I came there, I had to bring my girlfriend with me. Wait, if I look like I hit on women, why you're gonna be able to do that? Like that don't make no sense. Like my name ain't even out there in the streets like that. You know, you you're crazy. You probably would Google and find nothing about me, know nothing about me, but you know, it just gave room for other people to just say stuff. Say whatever. And they don't even consider, like, like I got four kids. I got a I got a whole church I'm I'm accountable to, you know. I hold myself accountable to you all. So people don't even think about that. They just they just see social media as their opportunity to be heard and run with something that's not even true. Yeah. And you have to sit over here and just shut your mouth, you know? They always talk about the hurt that the church does to people, but they never talk about the hurt that people do to the church. Right. Because we can't share those types of responsibilities.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:12

They ever come and they hear the sincerity, like you said, if you join the church, there are three three things I vow. Oh, absolutely. As your pastor, I've never heard that until I came to the church. Never heard it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

And believe it. Right. Yeah. And believe it and see.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:29

I stand on that. I stand on that. Believe it and see. I stand on that with it with everything in me. I stand on that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:34

Yeah. We know it, and we know when we see you um at church and on, especially when you get on Facebook, we always covering you. All the time, Lord, cover my pastor.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:47

Y'all leave him alone, not because. We love God.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:51

I be wanting to, I be one, I sometimes I see the post, and I be wanting to say the only reason that his children are not coming for you, because he told us not to. Right. And we were so much to say. He saved me real deep. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:11

Yeah, because then he can't control his people. Then uh, right, yeah, and it's a lot to say.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:16

And I just have to leave him alone.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:21

I just have to keep going, but I be one to the M will be there.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:28

Y'all leave him alone now.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:31

The old endemic nature.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:33

Jesus. I get them now. I said, I say, I say, y'all just watch what the responders gonna say. Watch, yeah. Just the the level of ignorance, it's just you know, but that's what social media has done for us. Yeah, yeah. It has made everyone to feel like they have a voice.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:47

It did not cause the blind to see. No, but it did cause the dumb to speak. God for heaven. T-shirt.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:57

Yeah. The dumb did speak. The dumb did speak. They speaketh. What you say? Man, that's that's delicious. That's definitely a shirt, Poss. Oh, that's good. That's a book, sound like that is a book.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:14

But one chapter, one page.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:17

One chapter, one page.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:18

Shut up. Period.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:23

Period. Eric, can you read the next one for

Dreams Symbols And Flesh Attacks

SPEAKER_01 1:05:27

us? All right. So, can you share any info on dreams?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:33

Yeah, so God speaks to us through dream dreams. Some people don't believe that Satan can. I believe Satan can get in get in our dreams through our through our flesh. Um I I think that there That's a weighty subject matter. So I I I really wish we'd come back and kind of break it down because you're gonna have to, you know, dreams, when we talk about dreams, it's it's a little bit uh With God identifying with the person. Like you think about Joseph, seven stalks of corn, other cows came, the ate up the, you know, the poor cows came and ate the famished cows, rather, came and ate up the whale cows, you know, and how he was able to interpret that that was seven years of famine, that the famine was gonna overtake the good, and how you needed to store up. So a lot of times when we talk about dreams, they're typing shadows. And if we're not careful, we will we will make out of a dream something that it's not seen. Even when it looks like it's horror, it's it's possible that it's not even horror. Because our minds, I'm working on a message right now called filters. And it's dealing with I believe when God is pouring out of heaven, he's pouring out in buckets. But how many, by the time it gets through different filters that are in our minds, we may only get a drop of what God poured out in buckets. Right? And so a lot of times it can be like that with dreams. Like that dream, I remember one time I had a dream and I thought it was the most horrible thing. And I called a friend of mine, she's been to the church, Sara Connor. Y'all remember Sarah? Um and Sara Connor is she she is amazing. And I called her, she said, that's that's that's you know, she's Jamaican. Yeah, it's adolf. Let me tell you what you said. And and what she began to talk about, she said it it was really a political dream, and she began to talk about order and hierarchy. And as she began to talk, I'm saying, like, wow, that is exactly what you're talking about. And so I'm actually putting together a message for the church. Yeah, I probably won't teach it until around about August, uh, where I'm gonna teach on dreams. Uh, certain animals do carry uh sameness. Uh uh every time you see a snake, done mean it's evil. And we we've said that because we made what we believe to be the serpent in the garden, superstitious and evil, and that's not, and if it was, then uh God made Moses' staff turn into a snake. Yeah, yeah. You know, and so I think we just however we perceive a thing in the beginning, we're gonna keep it like that no matter what, you know, you know, so it's not an absolute, really. Yeah, yeah. We'll make it an absolute in all things. And so I think to some degree we need to be very careful with that. Um, so yeah, that that's what I think about dreams. If what I would encourage anyone to do, if you have a dream and you don't have any understanding of it, document it, number one. Look for the most important things that stand out to you. It does not mean that all of the dream has significance. Some things you want to look for or consider from a dream is person, color, place. Those are big. Person, color, place, animals, if it's an animal, what type of animal? And then always ask yourself, where were you in the dream? Were you looking at it or were you in it? Yeah, and then after you get some of those clues, then pray it out in the spirit if you still don't get understanding.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:23

Yeah. But where you're at in the dream is real B. Because sometimes if you're looking, if you're if you're in it, then it's an activity that you might need to be aware you might need to be aware of. If you're looking at it, sometimes it means you're over it, or it's possible that you may be coming up against it. And so the placement of you in the dream is is vitally important as well. That's good. Yeah. But all dreams aren't bad. I would I would venture, and I, you know, I wouldn't even call that necessarily a dream. I think, and again, that's what this is a subject matter I'm studying and out at the same time. Because an attack of the flesh can seem like it's a dream when it's really not a dream. It's just happening to you in your sleep state. But it's not a dream, it's an attack of the flesh. Like if you have, if you think you're dreaming of sleeping with a woman or a man, you're not dreaming. That's an attack on your flesh. It's just happening while you're sleeping, you're calling it a dream.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:27

But that's happening on the solicit. Because the soul never sleeps.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:32

But we'll call it a dream. I had a dream, I had a wet dream.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:38

You had an attack on your flesh. What about I'm saying the the is that the incubus and the succubus?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:43

Incubus and succubus spirit? Yeah. It's still on your flesh. Paul said, I know that in my flesh dwelling no good thing. Okay. Right. I I and again, I'm studying this out. Some believe that dreams belong to God, not to the enemy. And I can almost see that. So what is it then when I have a dream that does not feel like it's it's God from God, like like a sexual dream or something like that's an attack of the flesh. I don't know if we should call that a dream.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:11

Yeah. So break down two for the people and Pastor, in case they're they're not clear on what the flesh is.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:18

Yeah, so so you have another you have another system operating in in what we would call uh uh uh the systematic chart of the body, right? You when I say your flesh, I'm not talking about your skin. When Adam fell, he opened up to man another system that that was never supposed to be in operation with man, right? It's it's the solicit level of man, which is your flesh, which is the Bible says, it is sold under sin until the day of redemption. That's why we get a glorified body, and that work of the flesh goes away. That's over there in Romans chapter 7. Paul says, I know that in me, that is, in my flesh dwelling. So you won't find the flesh on the anatomy chart. You you won't you won't find the flesh on the anatomy chart. Or just like you won't find uh faith on the anatomy chart, because these are spirit, these are part, these are part of the spiritual anatomy of man. You won't find your spirit on the anatomy, the anatomy chart doesn't define the spirit of man. It's just mind, body, and and soul, I guess, you know. But actually, the soul can is the mind. Soul consists of your mind, your will, your emotion, your intellect, and your imagination. Right. Right. So you won't find spirit, man on the anatomy. Some people will maybe they may draw a little bead there, but typically you won't find that on the anatomy chart. You won't find the your flesh on the anatomy chart, but we know that it is there and it's there because of the the injection of the sin nature that entered the world because of Adam eating from the uh Adam and Eve eating from the tree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:56

Yeah. Because I know some people might interpret the word flesh meaning their physical body.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:01

Yeah, yeah, your physical body. No, no, you find that on the anatomy chart. You don't find this on the anatomy chart.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:06

Although it may work through your flesh, we're not talking about skin. Yeah. Yeah, we're not talking about skin.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:11

Um, you know what? That was, I'm glad you said that, because um, and I hope this is not TMI. I did have a dream of sexual nature like a couple of weeks ago. Well, a couple of days ago, not weeks. And it was um pretty random, and I was like, mm mm, when I woke up. Thank you for your transparency. It was a person that I knew, but never known in, you know, biblically. I was like, I know you lied. It was funny when it, you know, and in the dream that I knew that I was a dreamer. I was like, I know you lied. Crazy work.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:50

Yeah, crazy work. No, people, you know, people can prey on you and stuff. Um, but I I all that happens in the it happens in the flesh realm. Yeah. So I don't, I don't know if we I don't know if we want to give it the category of a dream rather than just saying what you had was a work of the flesh while you were asleep. We're definitely gonna have to go to the street. That's that's why I'm I'm I'm I'm learning to be very careful with verbiage. Yeah. Yeah, I'm learning to be very, and I think y'all have kind of picked that up from me here teach a lot. I'm learning to be very careful, like that deliverance. I'm I'm learning to be very, because if he's already delivered us out of the kingdom. And I know what you mean when you say you need to be delivered, but whom the son have set free is free indeed. So when we talk about, when we talk about delivered, are we are we're more saying we need to be free from an activity of something that we should no longer be a part of. And if you want to use the word deliverance, but that's not how we use the word. We use deliverance as if Satan still got you. Right. And Satan don't have you. Right. You know, and so yeah, I'm I'm just trying to find better verbiage to use when we when we talk about stuff. Right. So that we don't, we don't, we don't cram everything up in the you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:06

Yeah. We definitely gonna have to come back to be it.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:10

I'd I'd love to. I'd love to. I'm doing some in-depth study on that um right now. About me, just I'm not, I'm not really before I study, I ruminate. I pray in the spirit about something, and I'm let I'm allowing Holy Spirit to kind of talk to me and lead me, and he'll drop a scripture in my spirit. That's just kind of how I've learned. I don't, I don't, I don't like to go to the word with my, like I used to, go to the word with my mind. Because that way you're gonna find what you want to find.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:37

I think you know, we need to let Holy Spirit just drop nuggets in us. I call those touches of revelations in us. And then you go to like I always knew that I had my prof my prophetic, I always knew that I operated in it from a teaching perspective. I had regimen long before I had revelation. And then I was reading one day over in 1 Thessalonians chapter 5, uh, I think it's verse 22, it says, Despise not unctioning. But it when you put it in amplify, it amplifies the word unctioning, it says prophetic teaching.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:07

And I was like, there it is.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:09

I've been wondering what it was all the time, and I found it. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:14

That's delicious. That's good.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:17

Because I mean, say how I've always questioned how can Satan get in my spirit if I'm filled with Holy Spirit. Like it's a spirit sitting to the side. Right. But he can, he can't, if it if it's a work of the flesh, I can see how he can work on my flesh, and my soul is connected to my flesh. I can see that, but he can't get in my spirit. Right. Because I'm I'm I'm I have Holy Spirit, and Holy Spirit has sealed me, so there's no way he's getting in there. Right. And if dreams belong to God and dreams is a spiritual matter, how then is Satan? Now I can see him working in my flesh and in my mind there, but I don't see how he can get in my spirit. Right. So, you know, I'm just being, I'm just, and I'm not saying anyone to say it that it is that they're wrong. I'm just I'm just being very careful with with this doctrine thing. I want to I want to be very careful with. Yeah. Because we can say stuff and and with that degree and make it solid. And I think that's what's messed a lot of people up.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:19

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:19

We've taken our studies and made it the absolute and not what the Holy Spirit is saying. So I'm just being very careful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:25

It's it sounds like uh glory to glory type deal. Yeah. Yeah. Faith to faith.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:29

And we know in part, so if we have to correct something, let's let's correct it. Right? If we were not able to give proper verbiage to it in the beginning, let's do it down before we really do damage to a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:39

Right. Because

Predestination Choice And God's Control

SPEAKER_02 1:17:40

I'm I'm gonna tell you an instance um with when we were at when we were younger and under sure where that Pastor Gustaf was first teaching on uh predestination in Romans. And uh, you know, he first taught it, he was like, you know, whatever happens to you, uh in the scripture it was like um you know all these things work together for the good. And he was like, well, if a woman gets raped, how is that good to her life, you know? So he was like, he had to retract that every little bitty thing, like all the things happening were supposed to work for you in the you know, in the sense, literally, you know what I'm saying? And uh he retracted that. That was my first time. Um, I remember that so clearly.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:21

That's good.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:22

Yeah, I remember it clearly because my first thought was that when he first said that, yeah, and I'm not not sure why. Well, I am sure why, but that was my first thought. Like, how can that be good? Or or all other things that start pinging, like how can that be good? How is that working according? You know, how is that you know, how is that beneficial in any way, especially coming from God?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:44

Yeah, yeah, because we believe God is in control of everything, yeah, yeah. That's why. So anything that happens, it it is happening because God permitted it. And I'm I'm I'm very clear. I mean, I'm I remain very lamenting saying that I don't believe God is in heaven making day-to-day choices for our everyday lives.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:04

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:04

I just don't, I don't, I don't believe if if he saw everything he made and behold, it was good and very good, and he declared the end from the beginning, he has no other choices he can make. We choose whether or not we want to get an agreement with what he's already done.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:16

Right, right. And that's the predestinated word.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:19

Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, if you and I think when we have Santa Claus stories and stuff like that, that's what do us damage, because you know, you better watch out, you better not pout. You know, you what however that song goes, because Santa Claus is coming, so God is coming and He knows if you know you've been bad or good, you know. So and um, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:41

But that was that was good. Um I'm always I know uh again, something that just didn't sit right with me. I was like, there's no way that he's in control and everything is looking like this. This is and it made me feel like I was just so in opposition against God, but I couldn't help it. And I when you was like, um, if God is in control of the world, then he's doing a poor job. And I was like, Yes, yes, so I'm not crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:14

It's been a lot of freedom since we got to rightly. Yeah. Um when you talked about um the six reasons why good things happen to bad people, like where's Holy Spirit when you talked about it? In between, in between, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:28

That one there.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:29

Wow. I'm just thankful. I really am. I'm just thankful. Thank y'all that um I needed to hear it. Yeah, I'm thankful. God has equipped you to answer the hard questions, I believe. And I I feel like you asked them.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:43

So I'm all for it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because people need, you know, real understanding.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:51

Like people need to be free. They need to be free. A lot of people caught up because they never got a chance to ask the question. Right. And that that one answer probably could free a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:00

I'm a witness. That was me. That was me.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:05

Cause she got me over there. Cause when that girl said she finna join another church, I said, who finna what? I had been gone, Pastor. I had been gone. I must come see.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:17

Because in my heart, I was done. I hadn't, I was already cool with whatever consequence that meant, and I was done. Wow. I was done. I really was. It needs to be hurting them. I'm sorry, guys. And of course, my mama now, my parents. Like, my mama called me, you going to church today, baby? No, ma'am.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:40

Just like that. Just like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:42

And I used to be mad when she used to call me and ask me that.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:45

Well, I always knew some way, somehow, you'll end up back. Praise the Lord. Because I mean, was like at some point, like you growing up with like we like you said, we came out the womb saved, so church wasn't, it wasn't optional. Yeah. No. But once it was, once it became optional, once we were no longer under our parents, when it became a choice, like, at some point it was all I knew. But still at some point I had to go on my own spiritual journey. Because like I never forget the conversation my mom and I had. Like, she talked about, she asked me why I had got the tattoo on my hand. And I said, well, I said, whether you believe it or not, I said, I guarantee this will give me more of an opportunity to minister to more people. Because it is odd to have a scripture tattooed on the back of my hand. But I said, that was the most important thing for me. Like going on my own personal journey. Because like they came up, I forgot the guy in time. So, you know, they was firing brimstone. Yeah. God this, God that. But then like the place where I was in my life, like I had love, but it wasn't, you know what I'm saying? Like that was when I heard God is love, like I despite everything, it was like, Yeah, he loved. And that was that was like real important to me for what I needed at that time. So I said, Yeah, that's why I got it.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:12

Mine was choices. Mine was choices. Uh, I had a real problem with um, well, I I hadn't, well, you know, when you're young, you hear the stories, or you hear the accounts. I don't like to call them stories. So you feel like you know it. And uh, so I had a real issue with the account with Mary and her being impregnated by the Holy Spirit. I felt like she didn't have a choice. And choices was very important to me. And I had issues with that scripture. And that was one of the things you you talked about first the first time I came to the church. Wow. It was about five questions, like boom, back to back to back to back. Now I was like, oh my God, I I gotta be here. I didn't want and I but I felt it, and I I said this story before. I felt it when I came in the door, and it was so strong that I wanted to turn around and go back home because I had got comfortable with being outside of it. But then when I heard those answers to questions, I felt like I couldn't even ask anybody. Wow. And I hadn't even opened my mouth to ask these questions. Wow. That was it. It was a wrap. I remember on the second thing, and I it was a lot of things, and it probably sounded frivolous to people. Uh yeah, it got excited when you were teaching, and you start jumping up and down. Yeah. And you jumped on the first row, and I saw your white socks. And it didn't have nothing to do with your outfit. So I felt like that was, you know, personal for me. Because Pastor Stoffin used to do that. He get excited, he'd jump on that pew, the first pew. Wow. And you see white socks. And he always had on white socks, he don't matter what.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:52

You had a couple of mannerisms. Yeah. And what did you say if you find it in scripture?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:56

I eat it. You said all this. And then first, the first time I came to the church, you talked about the dispensation of grace. And that was, we didn't hear that anywhere else, except for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:07

So that's why I felt like that was the that was like him saying, okay, this is where y'all should be. You were saying things that was familiar. Right. And not only that.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:20

I knew it was truth. Yeah. Yeah. Because I heard a lot of familiar things. Ain't had nothing to do with truth, man. Like, no, I'm not gonna be in here. But it was just it was incredible. I found out why bad things happened in the earth. All of this in one service. One service. I knew then I was gonna join. Wow. I knew it then.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:45

Amen.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:45

Yeah. It was incredible.

Questions That Bring You Back

SPEAKER_00 1:25:49

Yeah, if y'all don't have a church home, y'all come on down the road. Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:53

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:54

Even when he fusses, you can hear the you can hear it's coming from a place of the world. Yeah, you it's not like a though. Sometimes some people just fuss and just to fuss.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:02

But you can you can tell his genuine concern and love for the people of God.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:07

Yeah. And Pastor Gustaffing, he was like that, and not to say, you know, that I was only supposed to be under you because you reminded me of Pastor Gustaf. It was just a heart. Like when you get older, you understand like vices and you know, okay, this is what you really meant. So he really had a heart for us to just know the word for ourselves and read scripture, you know. So I knew that I could trust that. I told my mom and them, it's like um when I'm when I meet my husband and the things that remind me, he'll he'll remind me of my dad. And I feel like my dad has amazing qualities. So that was, you know, that was it for me. Yeah. Yeah. And I told now it's like, uh I gotta come over here the right way. Now I was like, I'm finna join the church.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:56

Come see your man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:59

And so the next day, right. And they came. But the next one they uh first lady got me, she was like, uh I see, I see you've been uh here again. Do we got you? I said, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:15

And my yes, yes, and my yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:19

But it was a lot, even and I'm gonna let y'all go, but even um, because pastor, he's always at the door, every service. Always so personable, but you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:30

Uh what you told me, and you didn't even know me. I had on a tie, and it was a trunk tie. I'll never forget that. That's crazy work right now, right? But it was pink and gray. And you you stood back again with your hands across. He's like, I like that tie. And then you got serious, and your hand, your finger did like this, and you was like, the Lord says you need to be planted. Now you're not knowing. I ain't been to church in years. Wow. And I was cool with it. Unplanted. Just out here blowing in the breeze. That was the first thing you told me. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:06

Yeah. I don't remember it.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:09

Had to be gone. I know you don't remember it.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:11

You always said that's when you at your best. Yeah. Yeah. Catch me there.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:16

I want you to be encouraged, Papa. Well, thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:19

I thank y'all so much for this.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:21

Yeah. Save my little spiritual life.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:23

I just I just want to be right with God. Love God, love his people. That's all I want. Yeah, that's it. That's why we go hard for you. Yeah. Thank y'all. In the spirit. Have me some bail money ready just in case I just. Oh, no. Straight up. You already said it. Nah, that ain't going to work.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:42

I was like, well, we know he's not. But you know, you know, you're cheering a little crazy too, a little bit. You love God, but the right way. Yeah. Absolutely. But uh, I just appreciate you pops for coming out. I appreciate you, my brothers and sisters, for coming out. 189M, coming out, uh, and always, you know, allowing us to uh learn from you and to glean from you and follow you as you follow Christ. Thank you. I really always enjoy. Always enjoy. I was so excited about this day.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:17

Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:19

I got one little pop-up question down here.

Women Men And A Rigged System

SPEAKER_02 1:29:22

It was pretty random. And you're probably gonna be like, what? It says, Do you think women, you know, statistically outnumbering men is part of the fall?

SPEAKER_06 1:29:33

Uh yes and no. I probably sighed a little bit more on yes. The Bible does say that in the last days, that it will be, I think, four to one. And that the women will ask that polygamy actually is gonna be, it's gonna be crazy because the women don't want to feel like they're uncovered. So they will, you can already see this polygamy thing starting to move and people and people agreeing to it. And just because you have kings and men in the Bible that did it doesn't mean that God agreeing. That's description, that's not prescription. Right. Uh, which actually makes me believe in the Bible even the more because it it is not a shame to write out the wrongs of being touch on that. Yeah, and touch on those issues. Just because you find them doing it doesn't mean that God approves it, right? If that's the case, then we need to let uh resurrect shrines. That's what all of Solomon's wife, the white the Egyptian women he married, they resurrected shrines and fought idol gods and stuff. So let's if we're gonna do it, let's do everything that came along with it. Right. Plus, when we look at the end of all of those men's lives who had more than one wife, it never ended good for any of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:40

Ever.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:41

Right? And so, however, yeah, I do think that that that may have a little something to do with the fall. Um, but again, I think ultimately the church is supposed to be the light of the world, and we're not doing a good job in the area of marriage ourselves. Um, and I think I think if we gotta start doing a I think we gotta start doing a better job. Um I think the Bible is able to be prophetic like that because it knows about systems and and that not that the system should work, but for us as a people of color, we have we are putting the wrong images before us. Right. Constantly. Yeah, constantly. And and and we won't disapprove as long as it's making money, we just believe in let them get their bag. And and I think that that's dangerous for any culture. We are so far removed, and yeah, slavery may have something to do with it, but you don't you don't need morality and character and integrity are shouldn't that should be in the heart of the person, right? Right?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:52

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:53

And so yeah, we we're just so far removed from our culture and who we are as a people, and we're just all right with success at any cost, even the cost of us as a people. And for that reason, I think more particularly in our community, we're gonna see this great upheaval of this that is just gonna be even more the dangerous to our community. Um, and I for that reason, I just think that we're no different than the people in the old testament. We're just getting further and further. I mean, you just look at it, we got we got some of us got friends and family members that don't want to have anything to do with God. Right. And that was happening in the Old Testament. Right. Just getting further and further and further. And it's not a question, like you all have questions because you want to be close with God. Right. Other people got questions that I don't want you to answer. I'm just using them to stay away from you. Right. A reason to be clear. I just want to find a reason to not have anything to do with him. Absolutely. It ain't that you you're not even trying. Right. You just don't want to have anything to do with him, except for when you get in trouble. Right. You right, then it's a remembrance of him. Yeah, but after that, or it's gonna be the blaming of what somebody did in the past. And like I said earlier, like you're you're not exempt from having it done wrong yourself. So, you know. Um, but yeah, I do believe, to your question, I do believe it it may have, it may have something to do with the fall, but I also believe it has something to do with with Satan's system. Because remember, there's no new thing under the sun. Right. Ecclesiastes teaches us that. And they were told, the Egyptians were told to take out all the Hebrew boys. Right. So we don't care how many women you get, we just don't want the seed bearers. You can have seed carriers, but seed carriers, with respect, are no good if they're no seed bearers.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:38

Right. Or they can control the seed bearers.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:40

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:41

And breed what they want and break.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:43

Absolutely, absolutely. And so, so yeah, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:46

So that, like you say, that system has been in place because that sounds like welfare.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:49

Get rid of the men. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Satan saw that and he implants it into the hearts of those who are working his system to do so. So, how do how do we run this system now, this outnumbering system now? How that how do we see it in the earth now? We're gonna gel all the men and free and give. And I'm not saying women, these ladies are not deserving of their pedigrees, their degrees, the money they make. I'm not saying that, but they gotta look at this and say, we are being ran by a system. I mean, you if if you can't see it, and well I get it, you can't see it because you the one went to school and worked hard and got the degree. So you're not, you're never gonna think of it that to some way that was kind of handed to you and set up that. I'm not gonna say handed because you did the work, but to some degree, it was set up and pushed and encouraged for you to do it. Yeah, but we locking up all like this a senator just his son raped, his grandson raped a girl. And to the senator went and passed a bill that lowered the stature, the statue rate of rape and stuff below the age of his grandson. So that his grandson wouldn't get penalized for it. Like, like, what? Crazy work. So, but now that's that same that same leg piece of legislature that he pushed through overnight, a black man ain't gonna be able to get off on that piece of legislation. So now the numbers are gonna say more black men are incarcerated. Yeah, yeah, because you all can go and write a write or put a law in place overnight. Overnight that can help you. You'll get pulled over and get let off. I'll get pulled over and we got this system that we trying to be of jail cell. So yeah, we gonna lock you up. You get what I'm saying? Right. And and so the average woman is not gonna want a man who has jail behind him. Right. But for but but did he get there as a part of falling to the system? Right. Versus him just being a bad dude who just didn't want to do. For instance, Kirsten. Kirsten, my my second son, in college, young, knucklehead, got a car, got caught speeding doing 98 in the worst part of Alabama, because I we've come to find out, they they they don't they don't play up there in that part of Alabama, particularly with black guys who are driving down from Tuscaloosa. Kirsten gets in trouble in that 98, got pulled off, got to go to court. He's in court. The lady sends us in the back to deliberate. Well, before she sends us into the back to deliberate, she's talking, and he has two years of prison, of jail time, he's about to do on the table. She tells him to go into the back to talk to the lady. I praying in the spirit. I know it wasn't nobody but God. She starts out talking about, well, I can get in knocked down, you know, do a few months, this, that, and the third. And I I say, ma'am, I say, he's a teenager. I say, we've all been in this situation right here. The only difference between you and I is that we didn't get caught. I say, so you mean to tell me because if we all got punished for all the all the foolish wrong we did, where would we be? And she looked at me and I know the Lord just touched her heart. She said, and she went back in and she put him on probation. The judge said, no, she put the judge put him on probation for two years. Two years. He can't get in trouble. If if he even got in trouble on the school campus, if he got involved with someone on the school campus and his name got turned in, he's gonna have to come back to, I can't think of that part of Alabama, he's gonna do his full term. So I looked at the judge, I say, ma'am, I say, he's a teenager. And I I gave kind of gave her the same spiel. She said, Well, I could lock him up. I just shut my mouth. Because I I knew the favor wasn't with you. Yeah. I say, yes, ma'am. And I just I shut my mouth. Because I was trying to get other stuff. And a meant. He he in college. He you mean to tell me he can't even get in trouble on the campus? Right. So we're riding home, and I tell him, I say, and this is how black men fall into the system. Right. I say, do you recognize that you can't get in no trouble at all? I say it would almost be dangerous for you to get pulled over and they run your name. Right. Do you not understand just a 98-mile prick uh 98-mile ticket? Do you see how it set you up to take your whole life away from you? Yeah. So for two years, brother, I say, you you can't do nothing. Nothing. Because it's waiting on you. I say, she said. I say she set you up for. Now it's I'm yeah, you did 98, but she set you up for the system. Sure did. Praise God, he he kept his head on straight, didn't get in no trouble, stayed away from parties and stuff like that two years. And she suspended his license. I think she did. I don't know if she suspended his license or not. I think she did suspend his license. Sure did. Got his license suspended. I say, so you can't even drive, brother. Mm-hmm. You can't even drive. So we had to drive him back up there and leave his car parked on campus. He couldn't even drive. Two years. Sure didn't. I say, you better not. I said, Duck, you can't get in a lick of trouble. You have been, this lady has put you inside the system. Yeah. You're in the system right now. Right. And I knew that day that that's how they set brothers up. Yeah. That's how they set them up. Because if that was another guy who had to work and he can't get nobody to drop him off, what you think he's gonna do to make money?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:32

He's gonna have, and then he's gonna have privileges to drive.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:34

He's gonna drive that car, and then what's gonna happen? He's gonna end up probably getting pulled over. And now he got he done got trying to do right. Trying to do the right. The judge set it up though. She knew she knew he ain't gonna be able to get them rides like that. You know he's gonna be riding that car. They know, they know the system. Yeah. No, I'm just saying that, but up, not just Kirsten, other people that do you like that. Right, yeah. He gotta work. They know he on child support. They know he got bills at the house. You're gonna suspend my license too. And how am I gonna get back and forth to work? Figure it out. Well, you know I'm gonna drive that car, and you know them police are gonna be looking out. And they and so the whole system is a setup. It is. And what I'm saying is this outnumbering. We dealing with this outnumbering thing because of young black boys, some of them percentage-wise, have been injected into that system. And we, if we get this woman with this high success thing, she looking at him like you below me, not even knowing that a system. That movie came out with Idris and um that Idris actor and and uh Dwayne Wade's wife. Oh, Daddy's girl. Daddy's girl. Right? Yeah. Messed him up, was at a party. Yeah. On his way to young kids. Young on his way to the pros, white girl lied, Caucasian young lady lied on him, went to jail, took his whole career from it.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:57

Took his career.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:58

Right? Yeah. And and and she looking down on him until she saw on the TV what really happened, that he that this was not his fault, that he was lied on in his whole life, was stripped away from him. But she was ashamed to bring him around her girlfriends because the question was gonna be asked, what do you do? I'm a mechanic. I'm doing spiritual gifts, natural talents, acquired skill. So my gift was taken away from it from the system. So I had to lean on my talent and my acquired skill. Because I still got something, but it wasn't good enough for you because when you get around your friends and you doing this, and I gotta tell them I'm a mechanic, then that ain't gonna look right on your resume with your girlfriends. But is he a godly man? Is he a godly man? Right? Can he lead well? Does he have character? Does he have integrity? Yeah. And why does it matter that your extra money have to make up for something that the system took from him? Right. Because the man is still there.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:51

The man's still there.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:52

See, and that's why we're gonna we're gonna have this outnumbering because we we're not gonna, that that type of mindset, unfortunately. Not to a kingdom woman, she gets in the right church, she hearing the right words, she might make that adjustment depending on her girlfriend's circle, if she got a good circle around her, she'll understand because it's some women at right way that I know right now that are married to some guys that I went and visited while they were in the halfway house and knew that they were good men and just and told her and they got in their successful marriages right now in church. He's loving her down to her toes. You get what I'm saying? He just got caught up in the system. Yeah. But but the average female is she not she not gonna do it because of her girlfriends. Not not because it's right with God, she's not gonna do it because it ain't gonna look good with her girlfriends. And I think a lot of that contributes to this outnumbering right here that that we're gonna see. That a lot of good men are gonna be looked over just for that purpose.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:48

I think so too. Yeah, I think it's an unfortunate. It's a it's a lot of variables, I believe. It is.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:53

That's just one, but it is. And and we got men that got to grow up. Now let me not, I gotta, like, let's not leave because I ain't gonna put it all on the women and the system. But we got some men that just got to they got to grow the heck up. Yeah. Yeah. They do. They got they really got to grow up. Like, for some reason, we scared. I don't know why men are scared to be men. Yeah. You know, so yeah, I agree. We got some men just got to grow up.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:17

I definitely have always felt this way, though. Like the music is irresponsible.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:20

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:21

And it it pushes that. Yeah. All you talking about is killing other other black men. They finally just, and then that's what I feel like that has to do with the outnumbering as well. Because a lot of them are uh deceased.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:34

Yeah, it is the most toxic thing to our community.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:37

And we push it to us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:39

It's the most toxic thing. That new song out, I I did a video on that about young Miami. And and just to see some people that I never thought would, you know, reels, and they got them in their real. So you still I know it's a nice beat, but you still pushing the message. Pushing the wells. Oh, and I'm like, man, we just, we just don't, we don't care. It's it's like at any cost, even it's no different than the dope man, you know. Hey, he's making his money, yeah, but he's killing his community. Killing his community, yeah. You know, killing the community. Matter of fact, he your grandmama is dying because of him. But yeah, he, but but look what he's riding in. You know, he got all the girls, you know, but he's killing the community. Killing the community. Don't care about the girls either. I mean, we got a famous rapper right now who's a billionaire, but they kill, they, they kill the community to get to where he is. Yeah. Don't care how much money, the end is justified by the means.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:31

The means was the detriment of his community and his people to get to where he is. So the billions really ain't worth nothing. It ain't worth it. And I don't care how many few people he helped out with a couple of thousand. Look, look at the demographically, he killed his people to get to where he is.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:44

And have honor for the other communities. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:47

Oh, but they'll quickly humble him and be like, hey.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:50

Man.

Closing Prayerful Study Encouragement

SPEAKER_00 1:44:53

This was great.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:54

I I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it for sure. I always like uh understanding God's word and you know, coming, being able to ask questions. I think is how we learn for sure. Absolutely. And you just want to want to bust up that that perception that you can't ask God. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:12

No questions off the table for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:14

Right. Right. He's the one to ask. Holy Spirit is the one to seek out. Um, brother Mary, do you have anything?

SPEAKER_00 1:45:23

Um it's always an honor. Amen. And a privilege. A man to sit at the feet of the man of God. It is. Why you let him go? It's real. It is. It's real, though. That's my thing. I do it. It's called silly yet sincere. No. Yeah. I may say it in a silly way. I love hanging out with y'all, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:44

Yeah, sincere.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:45

We be honored by shit, so honored. Aerie. Um, yeah, like I said, I'm honored. Honored to be here. Honored that you would even just take some time out and sit with a few of your children. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You don't shy away from questions, no things. And like, I tell people you're my daddy all the time. Y'all better not say nothing about and you better not say nothing about Mama Me should be. I'll be rolling my neck. Be watching, too. Be watching. Yeah. Watching and looking. Yeah, but I be watching now. I I thoroughly appreciate you, Pastor. Like, you are um, I don't know, it's so much to say that I can't say. Like, my heart is filled, my spear man is stirred. Y'all notice I wasn't talking a lot this episode. So I was like really eating. I'm gonna go back and eat again and eat again and eat again. So, man, just unmatched blessings to you and Pastor M and your family, your grandbabies, grandbabies to come. I'm gonna call them up in here. Everything. So, like, may every area of your life, like may God permeate every area of your life in Jesus' name. Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:53

I receive it. Jesus' name. Thank you. Don't y'all put me in again. Put me in again.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:58

Whenever you're ready. I'm telling you, whenever you're ready. And we already got our next subject, so dreams. Dreams.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:06

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:06

I'm ready. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:08

Let's do it. Let's do it. I'll get myself ready.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:13

We appreciate you though, Pops. Um, I hope that you guys have been blessed by this episode. I know that I have, and I'm gonna eat on it several times. I suggest you do the same. Get your Bible out, get your pen, your pencil, your notebook, get some quiet space, you know, get some quiet time and study, and you'll see Holy Spirit coming in there with you and ask them like pastors, teachers, ask him to show you. Ask the one who who's who's the author. It's easy, guys. Simple, rather. Simple, simple. But um, and always be a student of the word. I I really enjoy being a student of the word, being a student of Holy Spirit. And in and if ever you feel like you know everything, I know that you're far from it. But I I I like to say that because um when I come across something in the word and uh I'm not quite sure about it or it's not quite clear, it doesn't intimidate me, it makes me get excited for the you know, for the revelation that I know the Holy Spirit is gonna bring. So you don't I say that so you don't have to feel like you know, you just gotta know everything going in. You'll never not know. You'll never get to the place where you are fully established as far as knowing all there is to know. And I think that's delicious. That lets me know that the Bible is alive, the scripture is alive. Like Pastor said, the scripture is pregnant, it's very pregnant. Ain't no barreness in the scripture. And I I enjoy that. I see you got your Bible open, Pops. You got something else? Oh, okay. I have to bring them in. But I hope you guys have enjoyed this episode. I hope you learned much. I hope that you are intrigued to open up your Bible and to spend time with the Word and to spend time with God. We will see you guys next time.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:12

First, I'm gonna hit my knees. Then I'm turning in the send days.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:28

I mean you gotta glorify the most high if you really listen. No need in driving on the empty tank, stupid limits. Ain't no pressure just to talk, revealing truth in his walk. When the footprints in the sand look way more mighty than yours. No shame in holding on to his shoulders. When life get heavy, it's boulders, the vessel will be made available. That's what he told us. All glory to God while we go on this journey. Put our into your speeches. We decree that you have made us worthy. We still listen, so Lord, talk to me and protect me from the ones who throw it south to me. I'm never afraid of people finding little faults in me. Cause I'm tight with the Redeemer. Just take this walk with me. Or come talk with me. I'm here to shed his light and do my best to be reflection of him at all times. And even when I fall off his honesty in my eyes, I'm not a perfect person. I'm the first to admit it, but he paid.