No Sanity Required
No Sanity Required is a weekly podcast hosted by Brody Holloway and Snowbird Outfitters. Each week, we engage culture and personal stories with a Gospel-driven perspective. Our mission is to equip the Church to pierce the darkness with the light of Christ by sharing the vision, ideas, and passions God has used to carry us through 26 years of student ministry. Find more content at swoutfitters.com.
No Sanity Required
A Christian Approach to Personal Safety
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Your safety is shaped by the habits you practice every day. In this bonus episode, Brody sits down with Scott Bryson, a former Secret Service Counter Assault Team operator, to talk about staying calm, aware, and prepared in everyday life.
We talk about situational awareness, de-escalation, recognizing warning signs, and practical safety tips for women, families, and young adults. Scott also shares lessons from protection work, self-defense, school safety, and why being prepared isn’t about living in fear—it’s about knowing what to do when it matters.
If you care about protecting yourself, your family, and those around you, this conversation is for you.
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Welcome And Why He’s Back
SPEAKER_00Welcome to No Sanity Required from the Ministry of Snowbird Wilderness Outfitters, a podcast about the Bible, culture, and stories from around the globe.
SPEAKER_02I think a good starting point would be um it's been it's almost been two years since I called you after the was it Butler, Pennsylvania?
SPEAKER_04Butler PA where they July of 24th, I think.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so oh, was it July? So it's been two years.
SPEAKER_04It's been all it was just like the anniversary was like a few the 13th, I think.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So I think it was like just the other day. So I called you and I was like, hey man, and I didn't know if you could even talk about it. And but we got really good response from that. So Trump got shot, they tried to kill Trump, hit him in the ear. He was on the campaign trail. And I just thought everyone was asking these questions how this happened. So I thought, I'm gonna just call Mooch and see. So one of many nicknames. One of many nicknames. Your favorite. My favorite. You got that nickname because you would always mooch food off people in high school.
SPEAKER_04I was hungry, bro.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. But which you shouldn't have been, because when I would come to your house, I was shocked at the snack volume. And it was impressive. Your mama was good. Her snack game was on point.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I uh as I've gotten older, I've tried to explain to her that sugar's the enemy, but it's not, she's not picking up what I'm laying down.
SPEAKER_02But after so people can go back and listen to that July 24 episode, which is obviously dated now, is about when dude almost killed the guy that became president. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, didn't you guys do one recent about the attempted?
SPEAKER_04I think Birdie was all well, we did a part one and part two, I think, right? On telephonically. So we did. Then you came on mine, I think. I can't remember.
SPEAKER_02No, we did uh we did the Butler PA, we did two episodes that week. Yeah. And then yeah, earlier this year when a dude ran into the guy ran into the White House Dinner or something. White House Correspondence Dinner. Yeah. And I called you and I was like, hey
From Butler To Starting A Podcast
SPEAKER_02man, do you mind jumping on? We did like a 20 or 30 minute podcast that night, just getting your take on that. But anyway, that's been real helpful. And and so then after that 24 deal, I think you're like getting such good feedback. You just decided to start your own thing. Which reluctantly, but yeah. But a lot of people that listen to NSR have told me, hey, I really enjoy listening to your cousin's content, his podcast, or watching it on YouTube or whatever. And so um I think I think it's it's been cool to watch that go from nothing to I mean, a pretty big you've had a pretty big following of people. So it's good. I think you know, one of the things that we do on NSR for our listeners, if you're listening to this, you know we have three categories. We do stories, just people's gospel stories. And like when we had Sheriff Lovin on here, we had an enormous outpour of like, that was awesome, that guy was so good. And it he's just a salty old storyteller who was policing in the wild, wild west, and people loved him. And he's a believer, but it wasn't really a gospel uh story, it was a it was just a cool story of that was more of a cultural story. Because we did a did you listen to that? He's the guy that captured Rudolph.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so we had done, JB and I had done in in early 25, spring of 25, we had done an episode about Eric Rudolph, but it was very theologically driven. I told JB, you know, we walked through the story. I kind of shared with her the story, and uh JB's behind the camera today again, um, FYI. But um we we walked through the story of um Rudolph, the you know, the Olympic bombing and the abortion clinic bombing, how they called him my perspective growing up here. Um, but the fact that this was a guy that said, you know, he was on like a Christian crusade. He was like, you know, the army of God representative or whatever. So we just talked about authentic Christianity and and not compromising, but also not aligning with an agenda. And and people, that was a really good response. So JB and I are like, what if we got the sheriff that did, you know, that was responsible for all that to come on, and that was cool. But so we got story category, you got cultural stuff, which we don't do a lot. I'm not a political pundit, I'm not a comedy. Last time I was sitting around with a group of guys here at camp, and um as we're recording this, it's the end of SWO. We're we're wrapping up SWO 26 summer camp. But I've I've I'm completely out of the loop on current events during the summer. I don't don't know, don't care. You only got so much personal capacity in a day.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And uh somebody asked me the other day about a current event, and I had no idea what they were talking about, or which apparently was big news, whatever it was. I don't even know what it was now.
SPEAKER_04Probably not important.
SPEAKER_02But it's but it's like it's kind of to be honest, it's kind of nice to not know what's going on. And um, but uh so we'll do cultural stuff. You know, we talked about the relationship of the church and Israel and and theologically and biblically, what's that supposed to look like, or you know, what are the different viewpoints on that? That was a that was something we did in the spring that was uh well received. We had some folks that didn't like it, but for the most part well received. And then we do uh, you know, we do we do the Bible, we do
Why Everyone Should Study Scripture
SPEAKER_02episodes that are by Bible stories. We do sort of two categories. One is beyond the flannel graph, which is narratives, where we look at Daniel, David, Joseph, Boaz, Ruth, like stories from scripture, and we sort of peel back the the cover story that we learned as kids, and we get into the more theological framework of the story. And then we have uh uh also a Bible category called tailgate theology, where we're just like I've never been to seminary, I never been to Bible college. That usually surprises people. I have no theological training, but I refuse that to let that be an excuse to not be a theologian. Like every man should be a theologian, so and every woman. So we get into that. We're like, maybe I'm not a professional, maybe I don't make a living as a theologian, but we've been given the word of God to study it, learn. And so you do, you know.
SPEAKER_04Can I just touch on that real quick? Yeah. Because I I was we text a lot, obviously, right? Uh we're cousins, Brody and I are first cousins, and I'm the oldest of all the cousins, as you can probably tell by the the it used to be salt and pepper beard, now it's just a salt beard. But um, you know, our my our cousins, I feel like we're more like brothers. I mean, I know you have a biological brother, Duke, you know, but like Paco and Cobb and all we're just even big and right, like I just feel like we're brothers. And so we talk a lot. We we I value your opinions and things like that, take it very seriously. And I remember saying to you one time, I'm not a theologian. You're like, dude, stop saying that. You are anyway.
SPEAKER_02I just want to say Yeah, I think that's good, man. You don't need a stinking piece of paper. That's right. And and if you're not careful, if you have that mindset, you kind of give yourself an out. Um because I did for years. I did that for years. And uh, and and you know, there's enough in the scripture that says we should um we should renew our mind, we should learn, we should grow. That you know, you words like understanding, knowledge, wisdom, growth, sanctification, study. That it's like you go all the way back to the first when God first instituted the framework for Israelite culture in Deuteronomy 6, he said you need to daily study the scripture, and he's saying this to the people. And and at that time, the scripture was whatever Moses was writing down at that time, it's all they had. But then when he gave instruction for kings, he said, Don't amass large quantities of silver, don't amass large numbers of horses, don't amass wives, don't take multiple wives, and have your own copy of scripture and study it. So he's saying to the kings, you should be a student of the word. And anytime a king didn't do that is when he got in trouble. So yeah, I think uh you know, being a student of the word is critical. And um so that's those are the categories we cover where um I I don't we don't I don't like to get outside of that lane, you know, and and uh those those sort of running lanes, and that's been effective. But you have some thoughts on some things um that I thought were interesting, some things to to think about and talk about. And though you know, you live you lived for a quarter century in a completely different world than I've ever lived in, being in the Secret Service, um being on the counter
Secret Service Travel And Strange Assignments
SPEAKER_02assault team, especially, where you're traveling a lot. A lot. You're all over the world.
SPEAKER_04Um been everywhere but Antarctica. Didn't get to check that one off. Yeah. Doggone it. I tried. Really? I was I was close, but it didn't happen. Really? Kinda, sorta. What what would you have been doing down there? Well, it's was somebody going down there? Yeah, allegedly, but it never happened, of course. Uh Melania, when when Trump was in office at 45. The first time. The first time. Um, she was allegedly planning a trip to Antarctica. I was stationed in Hawaii. Uh in Honolulu, we have filled, we have we, they, Secret Service has offices strategically placed around the world. And they do investigations primarily, but then they also supplement the protection component when guys travel. Because if you're on PPD or VPD, you don't know anything about Southeast Asia or Hong Kong or whatever, you know, Dallas, Texas for that matter. So we it's kind of we marry up, right? So it's like we get a field agent to partner up with a protection agent and kind of lay of the land, liaison. They know the cops, they know the host government, whatever. So anyway, long story long is uh Milani was supposed to be going to Antarctica to do it. Who knows what? I don't really care. I was like, I'll go. Yeah. And uh it just didn't happen. COVID hit and all that stuff kind of jacked it up. I think that's probably was kind of what probably squashed it. Uh-huh. But she was going down there, and I was like, because I'll, you know, Hannah, not to get nerdy, no one cares, but like Honolulu covers my my boss. And he I'm not he's an all right guy, but like he's like, we covered 52% of the globe. I'm like, Trevor, no one cares. To include me. No one cares. So but we care, we covered from uh Pakistan down to Australia and New Zealand. So that's pretty big. And so like Australia, that's why Antarctica was gonna kind of fall under our purview. It didn't work out, but it's all right.
SPEAKER_02What's the what's the craziest place you ever went with the president where you're like, what the heck are we doing here? Why are we here? Oh gosh, that is that is a good question. Uh why uh because usually he's going to like like metropolitan centers, capitals of other countries, yeah, or into like theater in Iraq or Afghanistan or something.
SPEAKER_04Sure.
SPEAKER_02Um that is a really good question. Did you ever did you ever go somewhere and you're like, why is the
Jamaica Night Detail Gone Sideways
SPEAKER_02president here? Why are we doing this? Oh, I'm sure I did it all the time, probably.
SPEAKER_04Not all the time, but a lot. Uh I will tell you this, uh, which let me think about that while I'm talking. Uh give you a little sidebar. The scaredest, I don't know if we talked about this before. Moomida. The scaredest I ever was was in Jamaica. Not I, I've been to Afghanistan twice. I wasn't worried there at all. I was on the counter assault team and I had a SEAL team with me. It was a good, a lot of firepower is good. Uh, but I was running around Jamaica, Kingston. If you anybody's been to Jamaica, yeah. We went there on our honeymoon. Uh I don't recommend, but whatever. Like that's where it went on our honeymoon, right? Of course, you go to Ocho Rios or one of the resorts, whatever. You don't get off the beaten path sandals or whatever. But Kingston, Jamaica is no joke. It's rough, man. It's legit, bro.
SPEAKER_02And so I preached there for 10 days.
SPEAKER_04Bro, that's tough. And so I was there with one other guy in a two-man element doing cat stuff uh with Jenna, Jenna Bush. Yeah, she was down there. I don't know if uh your older audience might remember Diane Sawyer. She had a show, uh, I forget what it was called, but she would go on location with people. Like a 2020 time. Yeah, kind of exactly. Behind the scenes with Diana, or inside the secret, whatever, whatever it was. And so she was kind of hooked up with Jenna Bush because Jenna at the time was working for UNICEF and she was doing her her good deeds for the for the world, you know. Yeah. And so we were traveling around with her and Barbara and all the things, and we ended up in Jamaica, and we went to Shantytown at night, which we told them, don't, we're not, we can't do this. Is a horrible idea. It's a horrible idea. Just two of you. Well, no, the detail was with the She had her personal detail. Y'all were supplementing. Yeah, just like, yeah, supplementing, right? And uh like this is this is a horrible idea. And even the boss of the detail was like, yeah, this is terrible. But like the staff's driving the train or the protectees driving the train. So Secret Service, one thing I will say positively about the service, and there's plenty of negative things, the Secret Service man, they they they'll take a punch. Like they will take a punch for the like they're always the bad guy. Like the FBI likes to get out in front, no offense to my FBI buddies, but like they like FBI saved the day. Secret Service is always the bad guy, even though it's probably the staff's decision or the protectee. We try to talk them out of it. But at the end of the day, it's a grown man or grown woman saying, We're gonna do this, you gotta you gotta secure it, right? So we take we take the heat for, you know, now butler PA is a totally different thing. That's Secret Service fault. But yeah, so we try to we try to advise, and sometimes they listen, sometimes they don't. Depends on the protectee, which gets down to personalities, right? Everybody's different. And so they didn't listen to us. And it was probably 10 or 11 o'clock at night, pitch black, and we went to a shantytown. And I mean, I and it was like no power, no electricity. It's all everything's lit by fire. The shantytown, like, you know what's she wanting to do? Just go sightseeing? No, she was like talking to the kids. Oh, she wanted to mingle with these street kids. She's you know, white girl, blonde-headed white girl mixing it up with the the locals, right? And so I'm like, okay. And how we're helping save the world. UNICEF's here to save the day. Look at us.
SPEAKER_02Where are you?
SPEAKER_04She's got her PPD or her personal, what would you call it? Well, PPD is presidential. But that falls under the umbrella, so it's a satellite. So she had her guys, yeah. So they were they would be dressed down. And where are you at? Normally sitting in the car waiting on something bad to happen. And then you're gonna But like I'm like, we're not sitting in the car. If I get killed, I'm gonna get killed on my feet. I'm not gonna get killed sitting in the car. So we're like, we're getting out of the car, which they don't like to see us. It's like counter assault team is just basically, you know, a SWAT team, basically, right? And so it's like it's a necessary evil. They they hate us. It's like all you do is lift weights and and and booze and chase women and and and work. No, it's not true, but for some guys it is. But like, you know, the Secret Service is very um uh I don't know, I think guys get they get they get their feelings hurt, right? Because like, well, I can't do it or I didn't want to do it, so then I I don't like you because you can do something I can't do. Whatever. I'm not trying to compare them to a Navy SEAL team or anything like that. That's not what we are, but we've got a pretty decent skill set, right? And most of the guys are well, the guys are in shape and they can shoot and all the things. So we were like, we're getting out of the car. Like, we're getting out of the car.
SPEAKER_03Were you in kit?
SPEAKER_04Like Yep. Uh that that yeah, yeah, we were like we would dress down, uh, but we would have we would still have our plates and stuff.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_04I'm trying to remember, it's been a long time ago.
SPEAKER_02But you're probably just a handgun out of side, or no, no, we swung up with the M4.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and that's why they don't like to see because they don't want to see the long way. It was like, oh, here's a stop up. Like, no, brother, we're not. No, but if you mess with this girl, I'll shoot you in the face. Yeah, and so we got out of the car and we kind of got up against the wall and we just did a 180. You know, we just and we had a local with us with a Glock, uh, fully automatic Glock pistol with a 30-round mag. It was pretty awesome. And he's like, we shouldn't be down here. We're like, we know, buddy. And so in the shadows, you could see people like machetes and AKs. And I'm like, oh my gosh, dude. Like, I promise you, at the first crack, it's on. Thankfully, and what they told us was is they said the reason that they didn't attack us is because it was a caravan full of white people. Because when all the cars came down, the four, five, six cars came down, they thought it was another drug lord coming in to start a gang war. Okay. What's going on?
SPEAKER_02It had been a bunch of. So probably the reason that they had you were seeing machetes and people were kind of coming back to the city. They were getting ready.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they thought that they were thought they were getting attacked, getting ready to get attacked. Getting ready to bang. Bang, man. It didn't, it didn't happen, thankfully,
What Presidents Are Really Like
SPEAKER_04but it was for a few minutes it was very sketchy.
SPEAKER_02Huh. Yeah. I think we talked about this in uh in that first episode two years ago, but I remember you calling me from China when you're mountain biking in the Olympic park.
SPEAKER_04Yep. We did that, and that was I was gonna probably use that as an example when you asked wherever you like George Bush, W, the 43, he he was a very fit dude, right? Uh he used to be a big runner. He was an alcoholic, basically a functioning alcoholic, till he was 40, and then he just quit drinking cold turkey. But what he used to do, but when he was still boozing up, was he would run to sweat it out. And this brother was running seven minute miles, which was hard for me. Wow. I've never been good at running. You have to go. Yeah, well, you don't have to, but if you're not on the A team, you're I'm like, I didn't come over here to be JV, brother. I'm putting me in, coach. So I would, I got my now, I couldn't have fought my way out of a wet paper bag. I was so weak, but I could run, you know what I mean? And I didn't like it. But but I had to do it, right? So Bush was very fit. He would run, and then his knees got going out, so he started biking. And that brother could mountain bike too. Uh, we'd go out for an hour and a half, two hour mountain bike, and he was getting after it. So he's legit. Um, he had no business being on an Olympic course, neither did I, but we had to go with him. And he was so mad because the course was so hard we had to walk most of it. And I remember him just fussing and completely who signed me up for this crap.
SPEAKER_02Every one of those guys, when you get to that level, even if it's guys I completely disagree with all of their stuff, they're extraordinary humans. Oh, they are hunting. But to be driven to do to go to that place. Totally driven.
SPEAKER_04It's just crazy to think about. Totally driven. The only one I would say that's probably not in that category, because I completely agree with you, is probably Joe Biden. I think Biden had, bless his heart. I I don't agree with anything he did, but I still felt sorry for the guy. What I like to say at my house is when we're arguing with the kids about whatever, is like two things can exist at the same time. I can dislike you and also feel sorry for you. So I think his politics are terrible, but shame on his wife for putting him through that, which I'm not gonna get off on that diatribe. But but like Joe Biden was probably the exception to the rule. He was just kind of there. But even Obama, Obama's a worker. Yeah, Trump sleeps four hours a night, 43 and 41, and even even Clinton, I mean, they're they're hard-charging dudes. You know what I mean? Yeah. To your point.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and uh Biden I I look back, if you go back and you watch speeches or interviews with that dude before he was the VP, when he was just a senator. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I saw some last night, actually.
SPEAKER_02He was a gunslinger. You know, again, I didn't agree with any I n I hardly ever agree with anything that dude would say, but you're like, okay, this is a dude that's like, but you could see a cognitive difference, right?
SPEAKER_04When he was a senator, he was even I he was pretty, pretty vulgar. He was pretty racist if if you ask me. He would say some crazy stuff. But at least he was cognitively there. Yeah. Like Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton's one of the most man, this could probably get me in trouble. Like Hillary Clinton, in my opinion, is probably one of the most evil people I've been around. But also one of the most driven. But she would have been a much better president than Obama would have been, in my opinion, because she knows politics. She's a secretary of state, right? State Department. I don't know how you go from first lady to sex state or whatever, but she is a senator in between. Yeah, she's very savvy, she's very smart. So geopolitically,
Functional Fitness And Personal Standards
SPEAKER_04she would have done a good job. I think she's mean and hateful, and I don't agree with anything, but she would have done a good job. Better than Biden.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04My opinion.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. That dude was out to lunch. He's just the empty suit, man.
SPEAKER_04He's just out to lunch.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, did you talk to uh like when you're first coming into the service, let's say you're 26 years old, 28 years old, and you're talking to guys that are in their early 50s about to retire. What like what'd they say about Reagan?
SPEAKER_04Oh, Reagan was the man. They loved him. They all loved him. They loved him. I mean, I couldn't remember. So I started my career in the Charlotte Field office. I was lucky because I'm from that area, and so I didn't have to move. I was a cop next door, right? So I got to stay. And there was a guy, I'm trying to think of his name, Mike something. It was awesome. And Mike was my idol. There was two guys in the office. Well, Mike was the ASAC, Mike Pritchard was his was his name, and he was a big, he's tall, 6'2, 6'3, lean muscle mass, but still pretty jacked for a 52-year-old man. And I I think I forget the other guy's name, but he was a shorter guy, but he was also, and that that brother was pulling out like 11 pull-ups at 50. And running an eight minute mile, mile and a half. Like we had my PT test was mine. He was running like a nine minute mile and a half. I'm like, I couldn't. I could barely do 10. 10's fast for a mile and a half for me. Uh and these guys were old, like we are now. Right, yeah, but like they were my idols. I'm like, that's what I want to be. I want to be a functionally fit dude. I'm not gonna be able to pick up the gym and run into people like a there's no point. I'm not playing football anymore. Like, what's the point? I don't want to be like this big meathead. I want to be functionally fit, but they were my idols because Mike Pritchard told me, he's like, you should always be able to bench press 300 pounds. I don't care. You if you can't bench press 300 pounds, I agree. And and he had big old long arms, it was hard for him. And the other guy was like a little piston, and he was up there doing pull-ups. I'm like, those two, they were they set the bar pretty high. And I think over time, we don't have to we don't have time to get into it today, but like DEI has crept in. And so the Secret Service has kind of softened changed a lot, yeah, which probably, in my opinion, led to Butler. So when you had the people like Mike Pritchard and uh I'm trying to think of the other guy's name, that wasn't happening. But anyway, to answer your question, I I saw his picture. He had a picture uh because Reagan would ride horses a lot, right? And and so um he had a picture in his office when he was on Reagan's detail, and he would, you know, you have to get certified to ride, because riding, you know, riding a horse is not like riding a bike. You have to know what you're doing, and not everybody can do it. And so the guys that wanted to do it or could do it would ride would ride horses with him. And I'm like, man, what a freaking cool job that must have been horse. To go to California hanging out with Reagan, riding a horse.
SPEAKER_02A legit cowboy, a legit dude guy. Um love that guy. I have I have uh a personal, I have several personal rules that um some of them I've I've talked about on here, and some of them I teach to our institute staff and uh JB's girls right now, and then the guys in element, the LMNT program, leadership, mentorship, next generation training. Uh it's it's 20 guys, 20 girls, 40 students. They're here all summer, they're high school students. It's like a leadership training program. And these kids have a lot of just potential. It's hard to get into the program. So I go through on Thursdays, I meet with them and I go through kind of like I guess you would call them uh like maxims, like you know, statements of whether it's resolutions or maxims, just like things that that need to be true of you or that you need to be pursuing in your life. Like like the two we drilled yesterday, I met with them yesterday, um about our last meeting, but what like we talked about having a victim mentality or a sense of entitlement. So we you know we talked about talk about that, so stuff like that. But I have I have three that I don't ever teach, but I'll say them here. One of them is I want to, as long as I'm can can keep myself able to do this, I want to be able to carry someone my weight equal to or greater than my body weight, pick them up and carry them if I need to. I want to be able to um shoot from a distance to immobilize a threat with my with my handgun. And the third one is funny. I want to be able to hit some to one punch hit somebody in the head hard enough that they have to eat jello and draw pictures for the rest of their life.
SPEAKER_03So my three That's pretty much the way I feel like JB's girl laughing behind the camera. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. When you need a dude like me or you around, and and that's their mindset, and they hit somebody, and you're gonna be like, okay, I'm glad that guy's around.
SPEAKER_04Because honestly, at this point, the bad guy's got to vote too, right? He's got a vote. And so like the more damage you can do, like, I don't want to get into a 30-second or two-minute fight. You know how tired you'd be, do you know how beat up you'd be too? I'm there, I'm trying to knock this dude's chicklets out of his face. That's my mentality. And I know you do the same thing. When I go into a room, I don't care what room it is, I evaluate do I see a threat? Nope. Do I see another alpha that's gonna help me if something jumps off? Because, like, and I've always got my pistol with me, but you can't always go to guns, right? Maybe just go to go physical, hands-on. You know, is there anybody in this Starbucks? Well, I don't go to Starbucks, anybody in Dunkin'
Protecting People Without Looking For Trouble
SPEAKER_04Donuts gonna jump up and help me? And more often than not, the answer is no. Usually it's no. And I'm like, well, I guess it's a it's me, it's me and you, Mr. Glock. Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep. That's that's my mentality too. It's like, I don't listen, you're a pastor and I'm we both love the Lord. Like, I I I don't condone my, I don't want to, I don't want any trouble at all, but I do believe that the American man as and the Christian man has become like Charmin. And there's a time and a place where you gotta draw the line. And if and I don't look for trouble, but I promise you, and I know you are the same way, if trouble knocks, I will open the door and I will try to end it violently. I've told Elizabeth the day we were somewhere and I was getting a bad vibe. And I said, let me tell you something right now. Oh, we were in New York. I see it was just I hate New York, but I had to go. And I said, if something happens, if I'm getting the vibe that something's gonna happen, like it's imminent. There's nothing in law enforcement or any that says you've got to get shot first or punched first. You know, like why would you bring a knife to a gunfight type of thing? Like, ass tail show, book, right? Same thing in the streets. So it's like, if I think I'm getting ready to be attacked, I'm gonna do everything in my power to decleat that guy. And I told her, I said it's gonna be violent and it's gonna be quick, and then we're getting out of there, we're getting off the X. She's like, what are you talking about? I'm like, look around.
SPEAKER_02You're a girl, I don't expect you to think this way. But meant there's something that we understand man to man, and my girls understand it because I've drilled it into them. And I think a dad needs to drill that into his girls, but we live in a dark and this is what we're gonna get in. This is the conversation we're getting into, is just kind of as a man, your responsibility just when it comes to these issues. Yeah. Because there are people that'll, you know, I think a lot of people feel like, man, we live in a safe, you know, it's 21st century. I mean, you're you're do you have an axe to grind? Are you looking for some sort of a fight? No, I'm not at all. But I'm telling you, I want to be capable of hitting you so hard that you you lose cognitive function for the rest of your life, if that's what needs to happen. And and I think if someone thinks that's as a Christian toxic or unhealthy or unbiblical, first off, it's not unbiblical, and I 1000% would disagree with that and and would would go toe-to-toe with you biblically. We can open a scripture and I can show you how I don't think that's unbiblical. Um however, uh, and and I we can go all the way back to Genesis 2, 15. Genesis 2, 15 and 16, God takes the man, he puts him in the garden, and he says, Protect it. What should he have done when the serpent came in? He should have cut his daggum head off. You know, and and so that God hardwired it into a man to do that. And so once we didn't do it, there's this tension where guys either continue to to abdicate responsibility in some category of their life, or they become abusers. And the one thing I don't want to be as a poser, look, I'm I'm frustrated. I don't want to use like I don't I don't want to be a guy that tries to just tries to look in the mirror every day and make sure I look definitively masculine or whatever society's cultural view is like you need to take some TRT and get you some sleeve tats and grow your beard out and look like I'm not trying to look like a special operator, a tier one Delta guy in Afghanistan. That's not, I'm not that. I'm just a dude. I'm just a dude that that wants to be um capable of protecting my family and the people in my ministry. And I've had a couple of opportunities through the years to to have confrontation at Snowbird with people that weren't from Snowbird who showed up on our property. And I guarantee you, when that happened, I was thankful to have to have the the composition I needed to deal with the situation. And so um I just want men to know it's two things. It's not umbiblical to think that way, but it is unbiblical to not be prepared to protect when the time comes.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, I totally agree. And you know, not to not to change the subject about Trump or whatever, because that's not what we're talking about right now, but you know, like, well, he's just he's so mean and he's so gruff. Well, okay, would you rather have and this happened to
De-Escalation And Pre-Attack Indicators
SPEAKER_04me recently in my last line of work. I was I was in a meeting with uh union people, and there were four dudes, big dudes, and they were given an HR lady, the VP, a couple VPs that were in the room, a couple other dudes that weren't necessarily alphas, and then me. And I and I was like, when are you gonna take like you're the VP and take charge? But as a woman, no offense, not to be sexist, but like, like you're taking like you can only take so much. Like this is be this is beyond bullying. This is now hostile. And I know what I'm talking about because I've done it for 30 years and I could see into the guy's soul. He he looked like he wanted to rip my head off. The two dudes in the middle, there were four dudes, two dudes in the middle wanted to like they they would have loved to whipped me right there, right? But but I was at work, I've seen it. So that's called a pre-attack indicator, right? And I'm like, oh, this joker's clinching his chalk, he's doing like this, they're blading. You know what I mean? Like they they do all the things.
SPEAKER_02They start blading their body, and I'm like, oh, they start clenching their jaw, something, something with their eyes.
SPEAKER_04Or they drop step, but they were in a chair. But either way, the point I'm making is like I told the I got I got loud and I got unprofessional, but I ended up de-escalating the situation because I'm at anger with anger or whatever you whatever you want to call it. And I was like, we're not doing this. And what I was trying to do is de-escalate it, right? With my verbal judo, and it didn't work. And I was like, trying to bring it down and it to level set. What we should have done is say, hey, let's take a two-minute bathroom break. But no one in the room was smart enough to do that. So I and I was like, hey guys, we're not doing this. And so I got loud and I got vocal and I didn't say anything that got would have gotten me fired, but I it was unpro it was 100% unprofessional. I know that. I admitted that, but I didn't care because I didn't want to get into a scrap with four dudes in the HR room. And so because I got loud, and I was like, you got and I said this to them. This is exactly what I said, and this is what almost got me in trouble, but I it didn't. But I'm like, you got the wrong guy. All I meant was you're not gonna come in here. And to use the word bully really diminishes it because it sounds like a 10-year-old on the playground, but it was a hostile environment, bro. Hostile. And I'm like, you got the wrong guy. And a couple people in the room took that as a veiled threat, which it was not. I I'll threaten you. There'll be no doubt if I threaten you, you'll know it won't be very to the parking lot. Like that that's kind of like that's way unprofessional. I didn't say that. I said you got the wrong guy. Meaning, stop. And then guess what? At the end of the meeting, now it could have been fake. I don't know. Maybe they got me where they wanted me and they're gonna sue the company. I don't know. But at the end of the thing, each one of those dudes shook my hand. And I went around, I went around the table, and because it level set, the root, it got really out of control really quick, and then it came back down. Thank goodness it came back down. I went around the table and 20 minutes when the meeting was over, I was like, hey man, da-da-da, whatever we said. And I shook each dude, and I thought two of them would shake my hand, I thought the other two wouldn't, but to their credit, all four dudes shook my hand. And it's just man understanding man. Like, like you gotta draw a line in the sand. Uh uh, what would have been worse? That to me to get a little loud and unprofessional, or for a guy to flip the table over and then start a fight and punch the HR lady. Yeah. I I just think our society's gotten to the point where words are worse than actions. I'm like, what are you talking what?
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04That's crazy. To me, that's crazy. That's crazy to me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because there's this language of words being hurtful. But like everybody in our generation was taught as a child the sticks and stones nursery rhyme. Words will never hurt me. But now in where we're at now as a society, there's this idea that words can hurt. And I don't want it, I don't want you, my two minority children, I don't want them to feel like I don't want to raise them thinking that way. No. You're a victim, somebody says something about you, they're hurting you. No, they're not. You're my son. That's who you are. You have an identity, you have a name, and and more importantly, you're a child of God. And don't like like words don't hurt you. Words don't hurt people. I'm just telling you, words don't hurt. Not not in that capacity. Now, do words hurt from a father to a son or daughter? Yeah, it can inflict wounds that are deep. But when we're talking about man to man, woman to woman, yeah. You gotta learn to let it go. What do you when do you think um when do you think the like talk a little bit about um if I have 10 confrontations, at least nine of them, there's gonna be no conflict. I'm gonna either de-escalate or leave. So I think it's important that people know what we're not we're not saying go look for a fight. You don't walk into the restaurant thinking, okay, who am I gonna throw down with today? Nope. It's only only when backed in a corner. And so worst case. Yeah, so the the you know, I've told this story on here before, but Laylee was about 13 and we had gone, we drove over to Chattanooga to get some soccer stuff her um for her soccer season. And we went to an Academy sports, and I remember seeing these two guys walk in and they were open carrying, and they looked shady, which dudes that open carry, okay. First off, that's just I have a name that I can't, I'm not gonna say on here, but it is the goofiest thing, walking around with a gun slung on your hip that everybody can see. But anyway, these guys come in, but usually those guys are not there to do harm. Guys that are gonna do harm are usually
Carrying A Gun And Getting Off X
SPEAKER_02gonna hide their weapon under a trench coat or a jacket or in a duffel bag. But I'm I noticed it, but again, your head's on a swivel. Laley's in the girls' locker room trying on clothes, and I'm just standing out waiting on her, and I see these guys walking towards the the firearm section of Academy Sports, and and then in a minute I heard a gunshot, and so I grabbed Laley and I said, Let's go. I mean, I go into the locker room, into the changing room on the girl's side. I said, Laley, which room are you in? She yelled, and I got her, I said, Let's go, and we left. Like I I go opposite direction of the gunshot, and we leave the store and go to my truck, where I got a long gun, and I mean I got my pistol on me, I get in my truck, but now I'm like, I just need to get out of here. I got my daughter with me. Yeah, 100%. And it ended up being a negligent discharge. One of them cod rods took his pistol out because he was looking at holsters and he cracked around off in the store like a complete idiot. Like the complete and so it was nothing. But I remember we got into the truck and she's like, What was that? That was a she said, that was a gunshot. What was going on? And I said, I don't know. We got the truck, and I know I noticed nobody was people weren't freaking out and running out. I was like, we're gonna sit here and watch for a minute. And then people were coming and going, and I see an employee come out and get a load of buggies and push them back in. I'm like, okay, business as usual. So we go back in, found out what it was. Yeah. But the point I'm making is in that situation, I was not looking for a fight. I was looking to get my daughter to a safe place.
SPEAKER_04I talk about that all the flipping time on my social media whatever. And a lot of your audience might disagree with this, and you might actually disagree with it. It's totally fine. I carry my sidearm with me. I don't even carry an extra mag. You know why? I'm looking to get off the X just like I'm I'm not if I'm pumping gas and it's going down, I'm not gonna be a coward and duck out of there and run. But if I'm by myself, I'll intervene if I have to. But if I'm with my wife, my children, we're out, bro. And only when I'm put in a corner am I going to pull that bad boy and then I'm gonna do what I have to do, and then I'm gonna get my butt right off the X and I'm calling 9-1 right now. I'm not looking for a fight.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, I think if you're a normal, sane person, a Second Amendment loving person, you're not generally looking for a fight. Now, you got some people out there that whatever, but like wannabes or whatever, but like that the average person watching this podcast probably feels the same way. Like, we're not looking for trouble. But if trouble comes knocking, you've knocked on the wrong door. That's the mindset that I think we're trying to tell them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, I think so. That's good. Yeah, you need to be capable, but you need to be capable. You need to have discernment.
SPEAKER_04I I love what uh I know you've seen it. I'm sure you've seen the uh Jordan Peterson thing about being a monster. That John Stossel interviewed that he I love Jordan. I wish I had Jordan Peterson's brain must be that big. He he thinks so fast. Like he's like, no, a rabbit has no being a rabbit, there there's no there's nothing you're gonna get eaten. There's no I'm I'm trying, I'm drawing a blank on the word uh that he was using, but it's like uh that that doesn't like being a monster, being capable, being capable of violence, but but constraining yourself, that that is what it's all about. I I I'm drawing a blank on the word he used, but you know I'm I've heard him, yeah. I've heard that. Love that guy. I heard him watch that. So good. John Stossel was just backpelling, he didn't know what to do, but that was great.
SPEAKER_02And I talk on here a lot about I've talked on here before about being just being the strongest version of yourself. You know, I'm not gonna tell, I mean, you don't have to go become a weightlifter, bodybuilder, but you should be the strongest version of yourself if you're a protector and a man. Yeah. You just should. And I think that's important.
SPEAKER_04Uh I think it's important when we were talking about what to talk about. That was kind of one of the things we talked about. We're both in our 50s, right? Uh, and my mom gets so mad at me when I do my stuff. It's like, I'm an old man. Like, I'm not an old man, but what I'm saying is, like, I am 55. I'm not young. I'm 54. We're five months apart. So we're not young. I'm on the wrong side of 50s, the while north, I'm north of 50. However, you want to say the bottom line is I'm not 35.
SPEAKER_02You're not young.
SPEAKER_04And I'm not in my prime. But guess what? I'm like Toby Keith, baby. I'm as good once as I ever was, right? You know what I mean? So that's the mentality that you have.
SPEAKER_03Toby Keith, theologian.
SPEAKER_04The theologian Toby Keith. Not as good as I once was, but I'm good once as I ever was. I mean, and the the bottom line is like to the point you're making, is if you are put in a corner at a restaurant or the gas station, dude, but because at the end of the day, I said this a few minutes ago. The bad guys got a vote too. You you know, a Delta Force operator could be getting gas and get carjacked and killed and shot in the back of the head because a coward got lucky. His hit this guy did 20 years in the unit or whatever, or the teams or whatever the case, and and he gets carjacked from behind. It could happen. The bad guy gets a vote too. So no sane person's looking for trouble. We're just saying that, you know, you need to be prepared. That's all.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and uh with our girls, so JB set through this training multiple times, but I I do a training with our girls. I want to shift the last thing I want to talk about is for our daughters, wives, and the and the the women in our church that we might have influence with. Um I want my girls to know uh that the world is a legitimately,
Color Codes Of Awareness Explained
SPEAKER_02there's bad people in the world. And and so finding that line, what we talked to our girls about is finding the line between paranoia and and being aloof. And you, you know, typically you I think y'all use this, you use the uh the colors, color codes of awareness, the color codes, yeah, of awareness. And so could you walk through those col those colors? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Color codes of awareness, what I love to talk about. And I'll be honest with you, I didn't know anything about it until I was a grown man. Uh, and I heard uh a guy speaking at Ignite up at Liberty, a former Green Beret guy, uh was talking about it, Oodaloop and all that stuff. And the color codes of awareness is simply this condition white is where you know you're kind of a sheep. You're just the life, life is a bowl of cherries. I'm happy. We're going to a completely oblivious horse in my phone, whatever, like completely oblivious. That's not good. Condition yellow is a little step up. You're just situationally aware, you're calm, you're not walking around kung fu grip or anything like that, but you're just aware. You know, to sit with your back to the wall, you watch the door, you know, you lock your car when you get in it.
SPEAKER_02You're just pay attention to who pulls up beside you at a red lot.
SPEAKER_04Line of sight, all that kind of stuff. Just situationally aware, knowing where the exits are, just little things. Sitting on the aisle at church, because church is the only place that people like me sit with our back to the door. Not everybody's got a preacher, you know, that can take care of business. You know, I'm at my family knows we don't really go to the movies much, but like if we go to movies, I sit on the aisle. Go to church, I'm on the aisle. I got the same place I can get out and fight, right? So that's what it is. Somebody's got to get stuck in the middle, but it ain't gonna be me. That kind of stuff. So that's conditioned yellow, just paying attention. Condition orange, spidey sentences are going off, like, oh crap, something's about to jump off. That or that guy doesn't look right.
SPEAKER_03Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like you in the academy, like, well, that's you know what I mean, just kind of noticing it. And then conditioned red, you can't control that. It's happening right now. Yeah, it's go it's going off.
SPEAKER_02Get after it.
SPEAKER_04And we're either fight or flight. And then conditioned black is the same as white, it's just it's blind panic. It's just as bad as condition white. Like you just you're chicken with your head, you don't know what to do. Okay. So that's that's what it's like.
SPEAKER_02So you want to eat that's the freeze. Yeah. You hear people say fight or flight, and then or freeze.
SPEAKER_04And like the yeah, and conditioned black is like blind, you're just kind of like you don't know what to do. Panic. Yeah, and you just or they'll crawl under a table, and that's like when these school shooters come in. Yeah, they a lot of people are killed hiding under a table.
SPEAKER_02When when you were uh okay, yeah. So the cut the I go through the color system with our girls. I give every girl that comes to our institute a bomb. Um, there's one kind of pepper spray that I trust and that we use, and I buy it in bulk, and I make sure I'm like, I better, if I see your car keys, you better have this on them. And we talk about where you park at a gas station or a grocery store when you're walking from. Walmart, your phone needs to be put away, and you know, you need to be focused on where you're going and pay
Practical Safety Training For Women
SPEAKER_02attention to the people around you and check your car before you get in it. And if uh if a white van has now pulled up beside your vehicle, you know what I'm saying? Like we go through all that stuff, and our girls respond really well to it. And um and we and we talk about the color system. Uh Jebby, did you a couple weeks ago there was a it wasn't a murder, it was a killing in Andrews. Yes. You know about that?
SPEAKER_01Close to your house. Sorry, I've lost it.
SPEAKER_02Jeby ain't got no voice, so yeah, close to my house.
SPEAKER_01Very close to your house. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Close to my house. So on this this idea of women being situationally aware. I don't know if it's like this where you live in that Cabaret County, Mount Pleasant, that area. But in Andrews, Andrews is a post-industrial town, meaning all of our factories, our manufacturing jobs left. The factories closed down in the late 90s. So we're now an entire generation removed from that, where we now have a generation of adults who are raising kids on EBT cards, government housing, government uh funding. And I'm not being critical of that. I'm just saying it's it's a large percentage of our community are unemployed. Okay. And I'm not, that's another the that's a different conversation for a different day. The point I want to make is at night, I have watched an increasing number of people walking. J and I have talked about this. Walking, like when you're on your way home from from from camp in the summer after midnight.
SPEAKER_01It's like almost like a zombie apocalypse.
SPEAKER_02It's crazy.
SPEAKER_01They're just walking around. Just walking. Cracked out.
SPEAKER_02Cracked out, meth out, fentanyl, like just walking the streets. You'll see. Like if I drive. I saw one last night about hit him. Yeah. That's the thing. You could better not be on your phone.
SPEAKER_04It was a white dude, but he was wearing all black. I was like, whoa, it scared me to death.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Okay, so on my road, there's there's uh the route from my house to Snowbird's main campus is about three three or four miles. Uh four miles. And on that route, it tends to be there's several kind of hubs, and so there's always walkers, and it's always at night. Walkers. And so I told, yeah, and they've always got backpacks. And so walking dead, it's the walking dead. It is. And so I've told, I told my girls, all of them when they started driving, I'm like, hey, I don't care if somebody's standing in the middle of the road, somebody's laying there, and they're trying to flag you down, go around them. Same deal, call. So what you're saying about that about girls, go in the store, call, don't help somebody with their tire. Yep. Just call, hey, I'll call 911 for you. Yep. And I've told my girls, don't stop. And if somebody's in your way, go around them. Like, don't stop. Well, there's a house on uh on the route from camp to my house that I've always told my girls, something's off with this place. Like, go around it. Don't take this little cut-through road. It's on a little cut-through road. I'm like, it takes about 15 seconds longer to go on a different road that goes around this place. I'm like, I got a bad feeling about this place. Something's off about
Discernment When A Place Feels Wrong
SPEAKER_02this place. I've said that for years. It's an evil, I believe the Holy Spirit gives you discernment and awareness. There's something evil at that place. So Laylee calls me uh back in the middle of this past summer and she says, Hey, I just came from North Campus home to grab something. And on my way, I got passed by three cars, three cop cars running code. Blue lights are running, they're ripping down the four lane. She goes home. She said, Then on my way to main campus from the house, that house that you've always told me to watch out for, there's crime scene taped. Oh boy. And there's about seven or eight cop cars there. She said, I don't know what's going on. So I jumped in the truck, drove over there. Police chief for Andrews was there. Several sheriffs, county deputies were there, but the chief was there, and I and so I got out, got out, and he came over and I said, What's going on? He's a good personal friend. I said, What's going on? And he said, he said, Jeff McTaggart was at this house. Well, McTaggart is a known you want to get fentanyl, like meth, pills, heroin. He's a bad, bad human. Saying his name right on here because it's been in a newspaper now. But like long, you know, litany, litany uh we don't have to say his name. Maybe we edit that out. I don't know. Whatever you want to do, JB. But this guy is like a bad dude, lit like a grocery list of arrest charges and uh arrests and and charges, and he's a convicted felon. And we've had we've had some dealings with him. Apparently he's at this house, he pulls a knife on this old guy, and the guy smokes him with a little 38 revolver. And dude, so I'll pull up and there he lays. And an old man's over here talking to deputies.
SPEAKER_04It is a hammer.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And so that when you get a feeling or a sense that something's off, I don't know about this place, I don't know. Like, don't, like, don't ignore that. And if and ladies, if you're driving and somebody's pulled over and they need help or they're trying to flag you down, I don't care if it's a distraught woman with blood and she's bleeding, keep your car doors locked, keep it moving, get to a safe distance and call 911 and tell them what's going on. Yeah, no, that's right.
SPEAKER_04And I know we got to wrap up that. I'm so glad you brought that up because I literally just did a video on this with Ashley, my Ashley, in the car, and she's 26 years old. And I'm like, because a car sort of stopped. And you've seen them on uh on the internet where they'll stop at a car, like it's a blind spot. Like, ah, you come around and they make you stop, or they'll have they'll have a tree or something in the road. It's a setup. And I told her, I said, what would you do? She goes, Well, I guess I would stop. I'm like, no. I got a little aggravating. I'm like, you go around them and you're not going fast anyway. At this point, you're probably doing 20 or whatever, not going fast. If that dummy steps out in the road, you hit them. Yep. You're not gonna kill them anyway. They're gonna they're gonna bounce off and you're not gonna hit them. I mean, you're not gonna hurt them. Me and my hurt them, you're not gonna kill them. Like, no one wants to, I'm not advocating running over people, but what I'm saying is if you're going down the road, a a normal, a prudent person's not gonna step out in front of a moving car. If they're stepping out in front of a moving car, they got ulterior motives. I'm sorry, I could be wrong. It could be something, you know, like maybe the kid's having a seizure. You're not the EMS.
SPEAKER_02Call 911.
SPEAKER_04Go around them, worst case, run over them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. No, I've said the same thing to Laylee. Uh there was she was coming home one night right after she gotten her license four or five years ago, and she's coming, there's a little road right before my house, and one of those guys is walking, and he steps out in front
Road Setups And When Not To Stop
SPEAKER_02of her. And she said, she said, I knew not to stop, so I just swerved. And I said, and if he gets in front of you and you slow down and pop him, he'll roll right off the hood. That's right, and keep going. Yep.
SPEAKER_01One more thing. One more thing. One more thing. I would say, sorry, my voice sounds horrible. But I would say for girls, I think sometimes we can convince ourselves, like, oh, I'm I'm overthinking this, or like I'm being too stup superstitious or anything like that. I'd rather you be superstitious or like super vigilant and avoid a situation than be like, no, I'm fine, and then get wound up in a yes, you know, don't be naive.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because there's no real consequences to being too superstitious or too cautious. There's no consequence.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_02But if you're too naive, then grave consequences. Exactly. That's a good point. Yeah. 100% for sure. When you got out of the uh this is the last thing I wanna I want to ask you. Um when you got out of the service, you became an SRO, which around here was a big running joke. We're like, uh, I want my kid to go to that school. Because no offense to our SROs.
SPEAKER_04I know, dude. But I know it's usually put out the pasture. I get it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I mean, I like Yeah. I I think if we're gonna it there should be enough money in the in the kitty that we can pay some
School Shooter Reality And Escape Plans
SPEAKER_02squared-away people that are well trained to be SROs, right? Yeah, because uh when you when it comes down to active shooters, what percentage of active shootings take place in schools? It's a high percentage or places of worship. And uh and so when you're an SRO, um let me tell you what I've told my kids, and tell me if this is right or if you would encourage this. I've taught I taught my kids all growing up if there's a shooting, because the protocol is shelter in place, the doors are supposed to now all lock from the inside, get in a closet, get under your desk. I've told my kids, throw a chair through the window, get out of the building, and run to the wood line. Yeah, that's that's not I don't have a problem with that. Okay, I'm like, get out of the freaking building right now.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, especially it depends on where you are in the building. Yeah. And we've that's a great point. I'm glad you brought that up because, like, for example, as an SRO, if the kids are on the like they got protocol, you have to have something on paper. You have to. I get that. Let's say they're the third grade is on the playground and they're out there doing kickball and basketball, whatever, they're doing their thing. Something's jumping off inside the cafeteria. Well, do your common sense tell you're not gonna go in there. But like, if a no offense to teachers because my mom was one and my daughter's one, but like if they're not educated, like, well, protocol says we don't go to the room and lock the door. Why would you run to the freaking gunfire? Yep. I made it very clear at my school, there's the woodline. We had rally points and all this stuff set up. We had some cool neighbors, actually, the Avert brothers, uh, Scott and Seth, Avert's cool brothers. And Scott Scott let us use his house. We never had to, thankfully, but we could have rallied at his house. And so they know to run into the woods. I mean, that's you know, if you're in the school, I will say this, like I don't I don't hate your idea about getting out. The the theory is like, you know, they do lock, it's called a blackout. Okay. And you lock the doors and you turn the turn the TVs off and all and they turn the lights off and and uh the doors are locked, and so you hide, you know, you you get out of line. Because the guy, the the guy's a coward, let's be honest, the guy's a coward. Yep. And so he's gonna come by and he's gonna jiggle doors and and and then he's gonna go to the next one, most likely. Okay, and most of these doors are wooden and they got a little small glass, he's not gonna really be able to get in. So hiding, you know, that that is that is what they're taught, and I don't really have a problem with that.
SPEAKER_02But I also As long as it's a good door, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And I also don't have a problem with uh getting the heck out of Dolphins. Get out of the building and run. Yeah, yeah. I mean, because let's be honest, everybody watching TV thinks, oh you can no, you can't hardly hit a moving target.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I mean they're gonna be mowing people. They're not these guys aren't marching. They're not looking to do one thing. They're shooting a fish in a barrel, they're coming into a room and they're shooting fish in a barrel.
SPEAKER_04Whatever, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Target rich environment, get out and start running, and he's gonna leave you beat.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I don't have a problem with that at all. No.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and it's tricky because I'm trying to explain to them if you're in a room that doesn't have windows and you're and and the teacher closes the door, then yeah, don't leave that room.
SPEAKER_04Just yeah, it's situational dependent. Like there's no one good answer. Like if if you're if you're in a classroom, you know, we both know the difference between cover and concealment, but some people don't. If you don't look it up, uh cover and concealment is a big deal. If you're able to shut off the door and it's a good door, and it's hard, you know, it's maybe reinforced or the locks are good, there's very little glass, yes, get quiet and hide. Because that dummy, that know if you're in there, well, that might be in the library, that might be at peak because kids don't are always in the classrooms. The whole theory is to get quiet and get small. If it's next door, and like Virginia Tech is a great example. I mean, it's a horrible example, but like the 07 Virginia Tech. Get the heck out of Dodge. Yeah, just leave. You know what I mean? Because that guy went in and out of the same classroom a few times, a couple different classrooms. And everybody just freezing. You can't do that. You're gonna get dead.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they didn't fight, they didn't flee, they froze. Yeah. Yeah, that's good.
SPEAKER_04Anything else you you think of? That'd be the only thing I wanted to throw out there to the ladies that are watching
Don’t Get Pulled Into A Trap
SPEAKER_04is because I loved every every I'm sure I know you do a bang up job with the girls and everything you've just talked about, so important and so so on point. One thing I'd like to add to that, which you probably do, is ladies, if you're 19 or 22 years old and somebody like me or Brody walks up to you, they don't need help changing their tire. Fake news. Because that happened to my daughter-in-law. What happens is you're especially as a Christian, right? You're trusting your young girl, you hadn't had a lot of life experience, and it's not your fault. You're 22 years old. You haven't been here that long. And you and your friend are be bopping into home goods, and some dude, or it could be a late, like no offense, but even if it's a 65-year-old lady, yeah, go get the manager and call triple A or call. That's what the unfortunately, sometimes deputies or cops have to go out and help change tires. That's what the boys in blue get. As a 22-year-old girl or 18-year-old girl, you don't need to go over there and help change some old lady. Go back in and get the manager anyway.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's good. No, no, no, that's really, I think that's good.
SPEAKER_04Because we're so nice, they're they prey on the the naivety, right? Yeah, kind spirit. And they see you and they pick you out. I'm like, oh, she's she's an easy target.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And so actually, my daughter-in-law was not the one that kind of screwed up. Her girlfriend wouldn't, she got stuck in her oodle. Well, I gotta help, I gotta help, I gotta help. And Mara was like, We need to go. Like, we need to go back and talk and get the manager. And but like Mare didn't want to, she was a ruling man, she didn't want to leave her. So Mare kind of stood there while the other girl, Abby, I think it was Abby, was like, we gotta help. And Mara's like, dude, we got to go. And it took them, and after about 20 minutes, she's like, you know what I mean? She went hands-on and like, we're going back inside and get the manager. So don't don't be duped because you're nice. Yeah, that's good. That's my
Where To Find Scott And Closing
SPEAKER_04advice on that.
SPEAKER_02So man, I appreciate it. Thank you. It's awesome. And folks can uh can a lot of our people, like I said, already keep up with you, but what's your give your stuff?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh, Scott Bryson BTS, which just stands for Beyond the Service. It's on all social platforms. I'm on YouTube. We're gonna do, we're gonna get into more of a battle rhythm posting on YouTube. We try to do one a week. We generally drop them at about 6 p.m. on Sunday nights. Seems to be a good algorithm for us. This summer's been a little off-kilter because of vacations and stuff, but we're gonna we're gonna get into more of a consistent routine with the pu with the podcast.
SPEAKER_02Cool. Awesome. Yeah, man. Appreciate it. Thank you.
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