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• Anna Keizer & Derek Dehanke • Season 4 • Episode 16

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With special -- and returning! -- guest Michael Anderson, Anna and Derek discuss the adolescent angst of growth spurts, the questionable inclusion of child abduction in a comedy and much more during their chat of the Penny Marshall hit Big (1988).

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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.

As an experienced producer having created content all over the world from the lush jungles of the Congo to the paved jungles of Times Square, Michael Anderson has spent years building his career in a variety of roles within production across commercials, branded content, documentaries, and narrative features. As the current Head of Global Production at Beautiful Destinations and having been the Senior Executive Producer at Cutaway Creative, Michael has worked with clients spanning Fortune 500 companies to Global Nonprofits and National Ministries of Tourism to create award-recognized projects. Outside of short-form content, Michael is an energetic contributor to both on-and-off-Broadway as well as independent feature films having successfully produced and/or directed films including: A Southern Haunting, Manson Family Vacation, G.B.F., He’s Way More Famous Than You, Somewhere Slow, Exquisite Corpse and several more.


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Who the fuck do you think you are? Hey! Hey, you're Josh Baskin, remember? You broke your arm on my roof! You hid in my basement when Robert Dyson was about to rip your head

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off! You don't get it, do you? This is

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important!

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I'm your best friend. What's more important than that, huh? I'm three months older than you are, asshole.

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Whoa, and welcome to 80s Movie Montage. This is Derek.

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And this is Anna.

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And that's, I mean, that's an unexpected profanity-laden tirade in big. Didn't see that coming.

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But I think it's funny because it does bring me back to when you are that age, just even a couple months does make a really big difference. Three months older. Amongst your friends, yeah. Three months older, you

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asshole.

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And now you can have friends who have been in your life for a couple of years and you've never actually told them how old you are.

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True. Yes.

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Times change. But yes, big. 1988. So towards the tail end of the decade. And as far as written by credits, really interesting. So I don't know if you actually I think you probably know at least one. The Oscar nominations that this film got.

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I believe Tom Hanks got one. Correct. Yeah, that's it. That's the only one I know. Okay. Because you said it last night. for an award where a significant plot point is a 13-year-old hooking up with a

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30-year-old? What's the award for that? We'll get to that. Okay. So, yes, it was nominated for Best Original Screenplay, and that nomination was split between two individuals, the first of which is Gary Ross. He's interesting because his IMDb, I'm like, he looks so familiar to me. And he has a couple smaller acting credits, but he does seem pretty solidly in the writing world. He's currently working. He's been busy over the last couple decades.

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He has certainly written things. that you will recognize

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for sure

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yeah

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yeah and I mean out the gate this was his first feature credit Oscar nomination not too bad among some of and it's not his only Oscar nomination so among some of his other films we have Mr. Baseball he gets his second Oscar nom again for original screenplay for Dave that's a very good movie it is yeah 90s so unfortunately we can't cover it but he does Lassie he does Pleasantville I'm wondering if if he like maybe maybe not could have just been the way that it happened but like had a relationship with toby mcgrath the toby mcguire because he did pleasantville and then phil followed that up with sea biscuit

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Suspicious.

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So, I mean, I'm not saying suspicious, but it just, I don't know. I always find it interesting because at that point, I think McGuire had a little bit of a name. So maybe he could have, I don't know. Maybe I'm just totally making things up.

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Maybe he just wrote stories for a period of his career where he's like, you know what? I'm really writing this about Tobey Maguire. So make it happen.

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And that was then the next film that he actually got a couple of nominations for. So this time is for best adapted screenplay and then he also produced on it so he had a best picture Oscar nomination as well moving on he wrote the first Hunger Games okay so he's got that going on that was

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adapted too right because that was I

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yes I'm not super familiar with that whole I think I think

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there I think it was like a series of books

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yes

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yeah

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that's what I believe as well

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all right so may the odds ever be in his favor

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So Hunger Games, he does Free State of Jones. And then more recently, I think, did we go to see this for my birthday, Ocean's 8?

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Yeah, we did.

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So he wrote that as well. Okay, moving on to the other individual who got the Oscar nom, Ann Spielberg. I'm

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sorry, who?

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Yes. Yes. Okay. She is Steven Spielberg's sister. Oh, okay. So this was her only feature credit. She doesn't have... of a extensive filmography.

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All right.

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But a couple of her other writing credits, there was a TV movie called Time Warp. And I believe this was her brother's show. She wrote for the TV series Amazing Stories. Who's her

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brother?

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Yeah, Steven Spielberg. Oh, OK. So I don't know how that all. Just the offhanded

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casual way. Oh, yeah. She did this thing for her brother's show.

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Yeah. Yeah. Must be nice. when your brother Steven Spielberg... Sorry, that's a

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little... It could be terrible. I don't know. It's probably...

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Maybe. Maybe a bit of both. I mean, I feel like a couple doors open for you when your brother Steven Spielberg that maybe otherwise wouldn't have.

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But what a shadow to live under. I'm

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sure she's doing just fine. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. Sorry to have such snark, but... I

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was going to say, these credits suggest otherwise,

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but hey. So in any case, all right, moving on to director. I'm so excited that we finally get to bring this person up because I love her and it still makes me sad to think that she's no longer with us. Penny Marshall.

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Yeah, she was great. I will always know her as Laverne from Laverne and Shirley. They did it their way.

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Make

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all their dreams come true. That's all I

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got. There you go. Yeah, no, you're doing really good. She was fantastic. She's She had such a personality. She had such a distinctive voice. She was just awesome. And it's really just sad that she passed. I mean, she wasn't... younger, I'll say, but like it's it feels like we still were shortchanged on her. Yeah. So but yeah, to your point, I mean, she did, I think, pretty subtly pivot into directing. But yeah, she did start out primarily acting and she did act, obviously, like her big series was Laverne and Shirley, but she did direct several of the episodes of it.

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I'm not surprised at all.

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Yeah. So she that's kind of where she got her start with directing. And then as far as her film work, which for the most part film, she does kind of circle back to TV later

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in

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her

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career.

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We could very much do this film at some point. I hope we do. Jumping Jack Flash was, I think, maybe her first feature directing credit. And then, you know, Big obviously was big for her career. I think that really solidified her place as a great director. And amongst some of her other credits, just before we wrap up with her, Awakenings. I love A League of Their Own.

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Yes. That movie is amazing. So good. And Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks.

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Tom Hanks. Yes, Tom Hanks. As well as John Lovitz. He's in that again

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too. I've heard conflicting tales of John Lovitz the person. I'll borrow that whole bottle of salt that you talk about and I'll just take all of that with a grain of salt because in this and in League of Their Own he's great. He's very subdued yeah

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very subdued from what I think a lot of people see in some of his other performances namely a lot of like what he did on SNL yeah so and it's funny because like in retrospect like maybe in 88 people weren't thinking along these lines but like when we were watching the film for the podcast I was thinking oh he's like a little underused in the film like he's great for what we see but he has like one kind of major scene and that's

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I think even even then like you see Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah.

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see your son again like where he's like saying all this like really uh

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from their perspective he is obviously in the role of the kidnapper on this call

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right

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and they're like yeah

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yeah like they don't even turn around for that part anyway so league of their own the preacher's wife riding in cars with boys and then like i said she kind of circles back to tv she directed episodes of united states of terror so that is penny marshall cinematography so A familiar name. And he's so interesting to me because like he is, I mean, kind of sort of in the same way. So like Marshall pivoted from acting to directing. He pivoted from cinematography to directing. And that's very common. That happens a lot. I'm talking about Barry Seinfeld. So we have brought him up before, namely for Raising Arizona. That was one. Okay. As well as When Harry Met Sally. So we encourage you to go back to those episodes. If you want to hear us talk about him there. But yeah, I mean, he did great work as a cinematographer. I mean, he has some really high profile films to his name in that specific regard. So early in his career, he shot Blood Simple. OK. And it seems like because, like I said, Raising Arizona. So it seems like he had definitely a relationship with the Coen brothers. He DP'd for them on several of their films. So we have Blood Simple, Raising Arizona. He does Three O'Clock High, Throw Mama from the Train.

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Never, never knew how I was supposed to feel about that movie there. There's like kind of a, a very incredible sadness to, to that story.

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Sure. And Ramsey, she's great though.

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Yes. Yeah.

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Uh, when Harry met Sally, like I mentioned again, uh, Cohen's, uh, film Miller's crossing.

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Is that, is that not legends of the fall or river runs through it? Is that different?

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Miller's crossing?

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Yeah. No, that's a different movie. Is it?

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It seems like he might also then have a relationship with Rob Reiner because his last cinematography credit

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was Misery. Hilarious movie.

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Right.

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Yeah. Right. Fantastic.

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But and I'm sure that this came up these other times that we've covered movies that he shot. We can't cover any films that he's directed because he pivoted into that in the 90s. But I mean, he's a huge director. So like some of his films, The Addams Family, Adam Family Values, one of my great loves, Get Shorty.

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You do love that movie.

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I love that movie. Yeah, you really do. A lot. He's behind the Men in Black film, so he does Men in Black. First one, pretty good. And the second and the third.

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Second one, can tolerate it.

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I don't know if I really remember anything past the first.

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Third one, I'm not sure.

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That one, I definitely didn't. I probably saw the sequel, but I definitely didn't see three.

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Which one of those was the one where Will Smith slapped Chris Rock?

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Wow. He also directed Wild Wild West. So, yeah, big profile director at this point in time. OK, moving on to music, who you are a fan. I

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am. And this person, I'm a fan of this guy. And I'm just kind of like repeatedly surprised when I see his name pop up on credits for movies that seem so different from like the scores that I know him best for, which is like the Lord of the Rings, like all those. And suddenly I'm seeing his name for fire with fire and big

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yeah and the

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fly and the like what a range this guy

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has yeah so we are talking about howard shore and yes he has come up sometimes in unexpected ways on the podcast to your very point he came up because he was the composer on both fire with fire as well as the fly both of those were just last season season three so we encourage you to go back to those episodes to hear what we have to say about him there so it's um it's been a minute since we've brought him I mean he has a prolific filmography so it is

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yeah I feel like somehow his name it seems like his name gets kind of lost in the shuffle with like not John Williams is kind of like in a league of his own but then there's like the Hans Zimmer and other composers and how Howard Shore, to the extent his like name is kind of more limited to the Lord of the Rings and maybe that's just me. I'm just always amazed when I see how many other like really amazing movies he's scored.

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Yeah. And I mean, I'm going to kind of sort of fly through them, but like he has done amazing work for many, many films. And to your point, many films of many different genres. So he just like I was talking about Sonnenfeld and the Coen brothers sure definitely has a relationship with David Cronenberg because he has been the composer on many of his films. We have The Brood, Scanners, Videodrome. He's done After Hours, the aforementioned Fire with Fire, another Cronenberg film, The Fly. He did Dead Ringers, She-Devil. But then it's so funny. I love when you see these jumps from one project to another. So he goes from like devil to silence of the lambs right um he did single white female mrs doubtfire philadelphia edward i'm maybe halfway through his credits that i've listed he did seven that thing you do again sometimes i just make these things up but maybe he has kind of a like relationship with tom hanks because he tom hank because he composed at several of his films the game dogma now here we I

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have a quick dogma story.

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Oh,

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sure. through the Weinstein Weinstein company and he doesn't want that association he couldn't get the rights therefore you can get like a physical copy I think but that's why like you don't often see dogma or ever see

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gosh that would be so frustrating to me I mean you put so much work into making a film even making a bad film and I'm not saying that's a bad film but it's not it's

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actually it's actually

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quite good yeah you put so much into these projects and then to not have it's not accessible yeah like that would just be so frustrating as a filmmaker yeah um okay well

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moving on

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moving on to i'm guessing a film that's like pretty accessible lord of the rings the fellowship of the ring which

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version do you want do you want the five hour uncut

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oh my gosh i know we did that one time and that was just a long day um so yes he won best original score for that first film then he does Two Towers in between the second and third film he kind of strikes up a relationship with Scorsese because he

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as people do

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as people do because he scores Gangs of New York probably maybe my favorite Scorsese film

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yeah I think so close to it I mean that's a that's a longish movie as well but it's

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really yeah so good I mean honestly in large part if I'm being just very very honest the reason why that's probably my favorite Scorsese film is because I just I Absolutely adore Daniel Day-Lewis and that character, Bill the Butcher. It is

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by far my favorite character.

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Amazing. Like it is like, yes, I know he's won three Oscars, so he's fine. But like the fact that he didn't win for that is like crazy to me anyway. So then I mean, I find this very interesting because then Shore wins again for Return of the King. And I just as well as best song, best original song. And I find that so interesting because it's like how much variation was there between the first film and the third film for him to win both.

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I think what you're saying is we're going to have to rewatch them and take note of this.

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Okay, so moving on. All right, I'm in. Like I said, another Scorsese collaboration. Actually, you know what? I love this movie too, The Aviator. That's a great movie. It is. I love it for the Hollywood history. He goes back to Cronenberg and scores A History of Violence He goes back to Scorsese and scores The Departed. That's, you know, we were talking in the last, no, two episodes ago.

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Great movies that only need one

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view. Right. I can't watch that movie again. It's so, so devoid of humanity. Like, I just can't. He gets an Oscar nomination for Hugo, another Scorsese film. Best original score. And then he does all the Hobbit movies. And more recently, he scored Spotlight as well as The Pale Blue lie all right okay moving on to yet another Barry this is probably the first and only time we're gonna have two berries to bring up film editing this time Barry Malkin and yeah he's got some some definitely well-known credits to his name as well

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oh yeah like what what'd you do

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well this one isn't familiar but I think I actually have had a reason to bring it up before so earlier in his career he cut this film called stay with me here uh-huh who is Harry Kellerman and why is he saying those terrible things about me

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huh that's a that's a movie or that's a movie huh

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I love it I love that somebody got away with that title some of

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these 70s titles

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that is a long ass title yeah and this is not talking about jumping from one project to another then he does the Godfather part two

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that's not bad

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amazing

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yeah

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what's interesting

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particularly for Godfather part two with all of the time skips and like sorting all of that into something that like is a real cohesive like saga going back to like the young young Vito

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all

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the way to like the real bad fishing trip. Yeah, there was a lot there for him to have to do. I'm guessing.

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Absolutely. And what makes that so interesting is that that is not the Godfather film for which he got a best film editing Oscar nomination. He comes back for the third and that's what he gets the nomination for.

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So wait a second. You're telling me that The Godfather Part 3 did receive an Oscar nomination? Yeah. It received several. We're going to have to watch this. We're going to have to watch this movie now. Moving on.

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Moving on. He cut a film called Somebody Killed Her Husband.

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Oh,

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well,

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I hope they find

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it. Somebody did it.

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Someone did it.

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Rumblefish. He gets another Oscar nom for The Cotton Club. This makes me think that, again, these relationships, which are very common, not out of the ordinary at all that he maybe had a relationship with Coppola because then he also cut Peggy Sue got married

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that's

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another film like I know we try to kind of space out the episodes where it's just you and me but nobody's brought up Peggy Sue got married and I really want to cover that film

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or will she that's what the yeah Peggy Sue got married dot dot dot or will she I

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really want to cover that movie I actually

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really like that movie we can we can do whatever we want really

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and then you know it's funny I wonder if he'd just had it in with the whole coppola family because so not not this one he cuts the freshman but then he also cuts honeymoon in vegas which is uh if people that know nicholas cage his real name is coppola so it's just yeah interesting that he has all these like coppola credits it could happen to you that's another nicholas cage it sure is and then he's no longer with us his final credit was the big bounce okay moving on to the stars of the movie and Tom Hank Tom Hank he's great so great that yes he did get an Oscar nomination for his role as Josh he came up as well like we talked about a couple people that came up last season the first and only time no well okay it was twice but yes the two times that he came up were just last season it had kind of taken a while

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for

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us to yes as well as Splash

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that's right yeah

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so in our splash episode our burps episode both season three we encourage you to go to those to hear more I mean especially with splash I know at least I just gush about him probably still my favorite role of his

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yeah I mean it's definitely like a very different Tom Hanks in these 80s roles versus what what you see like in more current

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yeah

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I mean

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it's almost not good but But

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because they're like the 80s, you're getting more of like the bosom buddies. Yes. Tom Hanks. And now you're getting just like, you know. A much, much more like developed, polished, evolved kind of performance.

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Probably among for sure the more esteemed older actors of this era.

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Yeah. And then, of course, you have David S. Pumpkins,

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which I love that he came back to last year. Yeah. There's a whole gosh, what podcast? was i listening to i think it was dead eyes and they were talking about him coming on to snl to do that and that he just did not get what it was supposed to be and they almost didn't do it because he's like i don't understand what what is supposed to be funny about it wouldn't

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be the first time that tom hanks said i don't get it

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yeah that's true um

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he says that a lot and big

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he does yeah yes i i got it i

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just wanted to

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be sure for our listeners okay so you mentioned it already he starts off off largely in television very, very early in his career. So yes, he was in Bosom Buddies. I think that just went one season, maybe two. It certainly didn't go long. 37

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episodes.

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One and a half seasons?

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Maybe.

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Yeah. So he does that. I feel like the couple of times we've brought him up, I always mentioned Family Ties. Yeah. What

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was he like? He

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was like the drunk uncle or something.

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Next Thursday on a very special episode of Family Ties.

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I just remember there being like a whole dramatic moment between him and Alex. Splash. Love that movie so much. Super underrated. And then, yeah, he is largely known for just so much great comedy work in the 80s.

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Do you think they have a box set of just like him and Meg Ryan movies?

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Oh, I'm sure they do.

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There must

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be. Yeah, I'm sure they do. So he does Bachelor Party, The Man with One Red Shoe, Volunteers, The Money Pit, We Covered the Burbs, Turner and Hood, Joe versus the volcano so huge huge decade for him and so we but the

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90s

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the 80s

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the 90s weren't too bad either

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but no no no I'm just saying that there will probably be multiple other mentions of him in the future with films that we cover but yes so then he begins to kind of the reason why I took a break there is because I think then at this point he kind of pivots a little bit where he just begins to kind of dip his toe into more dramatic roles yeah so he we already mentioned he is also one of the stars of A League of Their Own and yes much of his performance in much of the film is comedic but he definitely shows that he can do more dramatic work I think in that film I think that's the first time I see that

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yeah no I think A League of Their Own is an excellent film or an excellent example of a film where it's a comedy but it also has a lot of heart to it

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I mean the scene where he has to open the telegram and tell Betty Spaghetti that her husband's died is like absolutely heartbreaking

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yeah so you see that you see a little bit of it but it's still grounded by like the like the comedy it's just it's like just not as like slapsticky or silly it's just like a comedy with more of like a soul to it

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and I absolutely like I wish that movie was an 80s movie because I love that film so much and I adore the relationship between him and Gina Davis's character in that film I think that is Now, I know that like off the record, they had played around with them having a romantic entanglement. And I'm so glad that they decided not to keep that in the final film.

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Yeah,

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because I love what that relationship is in that film with just like this, like mutual respect between two people. And they were able to have a friendship without it going into that territory. So I just love that movie. OK, Sleep is in Seattle. So now we get into his big like Oscar movie. Early Oscar era. So he is only one of two actors, and I've brought this up every time, who have won back-to-back Best Actor Oscars. Wow. The other is Spencer Tracy.

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Oh, it's been a while.

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Yes. And actually, it's been a while because that was already 30 years ago. It's crazy to say that. It had been a

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while, and it still

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is. Yeah. So the first is for Philadelphia. The second is for Forrest Gump. He does Apollo 13. And then probably his most well-known voice work is for all the Toy Story movies. So he is Woody. He does that for the first, second, third, fourth. He, I think, did he also direct it, That Thing You Do? That was like, I think his maybe directorial debut.

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Possibly.

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So then he has another kind of Oscar renaissance for a few years. He gets another Oscar nom for Saving Private Ryan. He does You've Got Mail, The Green Mile. He gets yet another nomination for Castaway Is

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that is the Green Mile the only Stephen King work that he's in? I bet it is. I

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think so.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And then he I mean, he does really interesting work after that. I mean, he's had a really great 2000s. He does. I actually really like him in The Road to Perdition. Yeah. Where he kind of plays against character. He's he can be really good when he plays against character. But then, like, more recently, I'm not sure people really gravitated towards a man. called Otto that is his like most recent release and I'm not sure like he kind of just plays like a like a grumpy old man

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that's what it seemed like from the commercial that I saw

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and I'm not sure if that really resonated but in any case

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his character in the lady killers was just so weird that whole movie was just

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bizarre I didn't even list that one because that one did not fare well so but he does catch me if you can he's great in that he does more it's interesting because it's not strictly speaking voice work it's not listed as voice work although it is like in animated film he does the polar multiple characters in the polar express

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i would love to see a remake of that someday i know it's not that old but that was made right before you could like really do that kind of animation without as much of the uncanny valley stuff that movie has got a lot of that going

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on

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but he's great in it

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he does all the da vinci code movies so the first one's great we watched that one a lot that hair that hair the hair is amazing and then he comes back for angel and Demons, as well as Inferno, Captain Phillips, Saving Mr. Banks, Bridge of Spies, Sully, The Post. He gets another Oscar nomination, this time Best Supporting, for A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood. He does Finch. Last year, he both was in Elvis and Pinocchio, the non-Del Toro Pinocchio. Yeah, last year was

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like the year of Pinocchios.

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Yeah, it's very strange that two Pinocchios came out. And then, like I said, A Man Called OK, so moving on to you broached it at the top of his love interest. Yeah, his love interest, Susan, played by Elizabeth Perkins. So like she's I think one of those actresses where you're like, oh, yeah, I totally recognize her. But maybe you don't immediately think of like specific projects that she's been. She does that make sense?

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She has a like like a familiar ish face. I guess, where like you're like, I know I've seen her before in something. Right.

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So she starts off in the 80s as well. She was in about last night. He said she said maybe people know her as Wilma from the Flintstones.

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Oh, maybe. I

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wasn't trying to be funny with that. I mean, I do feel like maybe some people know her from that.

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Yeah.

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She was in the 94 remake of Miracle on 34th Street. I mean, she does a lot of work in the 90s as well. She's in crazy in Alabama 28 days one of the funniest things I think I've ever seen as far as like films was it's like I don't know it wasn't like a meme but it was somebody posted probably on Twitter where they're like I don't understand this trilogy and the trilogy was 28 days 20 days later and then 28 weeks later it just struck my funny bone if you guys if people listen if you don't know 28 days

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nothing

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to do with zombies no No, it is the Sandra Bullock, like, rehab. Therapy? Yeah, rehab. She's an alcoholic.

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28 Days Later. Right.

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Is the zombie. Apocalypse. Danny Boyle. Yeah.

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And then what's the other one?

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The follow-up to that.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, so it just, I just thought that was so, somebody was just saying, I don't understand this trilogy. So getting back to Perkins, she's in both Cats and Dogs as well as Must Love Dogs. Hopefully she loves dogs. She does have a very long stint. Up to that point, I've mentioned all films, but she was in the show Weeds. Okay. So she does that. And then, yeah, I think it seems like she's pivoted pretty solidly into television. She was in the TV show How to Live with Your Parents for the Rest of Your Life. Holy cow. She did the miniseries Sharp Objects. More TV. She was in The Moody's. This Is Us. The After Party. And then those are all like recurring roles. But she's done a lot of like just one offs and that kind of thing. All right. OK. Moving on to the head of I guess you would say F.A.O. Schwartz in this film. I

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thought he was the head of Macmillan. Was

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it? Well his name is Macmillan. Oh his

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name is. OK.

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But like I got the sense because like John Josh is very much walking through FAO Schwartz. Yeah,

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yeah,

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yeah. Okay. Which is interesting. I mean, there is so much product placement in this movie.

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It's everywhere.

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Everywhere. Yeah. I mean, holy cow. And the gentleman who plays the head of the company is... Now, I'm going to ask you to say his last name because I just...

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Wait, you're going to ask me what?

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Yeah, Robert...

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Laggia?

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Thank you. Yeah, that's great. I couldn't do that. I'm terrible at it. You absolutely could. Well, you did it perfectly.

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Now you don't need to.

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He's no longer with us, but he had a very extensive acting career. 233 acting credits. That's a lot. And what's hilarious to me is like when I was going through his filmography, I don't know if I've seen somebody who had more one time slash two time appearances in different TV shows. He was like basically in every television show for like about 40 years but he only like shows up once or twice

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yeah no i mean

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which is why i didn't like put because i'm not gonna put all those down but like

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i mean the six million dollar man rockford files starsky and hutch hawaii 50

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that's what i'm saying just a few just a few yeah so yes and he starts off his career with like just almost exclusively television so he starts with television but you know a lot of film work as well he was in the greatest story ever told There are a couple of TV shows where he had a little bit of a longer stint. I don't understand the like stylization of that of this show, but it's called The Cat. But it's like T period H period E period cat.

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I

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don't

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know. Don't know.

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He's in a film called Shay. He so this is also really interesting. So he plays a character. First of all, he does a lot of like kind of Italian heritage type characters. If you look through all his character names and his different roles. One is called El Marchione

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in

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Revenge of the Pink Panther. Okay. He is also in Trail of the Pink Panther and Curse of the Pink Panther, but as a different character.

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Oh, I love that. I love when that

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happens. Bruno Linguat. I don't know how you say

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that. You got it.

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Linguat? I don't have it in front of me, so

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it's

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all you. So I thought that that was, I see that a lot in television. We've seen that a lot in television. I don't know. I don't know if I've seen that in films where,

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yeah, I guess with those, I guess I could see it. If I could see it for any series of films, it'd be the pink Panther ones because they kind of do whatever.

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Sure. So I thought that was really fun. He is in the ninth configuration as well as an officer and a gentleman, as well as psycho too, as well as Scarface. I mean, so he's, he wasn't a ton of high profile film. I

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will always remember him as the, uh, general who is just bent on like, we gotta shoot at him in Independence Day. I

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do have that further down the list.

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Mr. President, we must kill these aliens.

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Yeah. No, that's a good one. He was on a TV show. Again, I don't understand these stylizations. Emerald Point NAS, so like N period, A period, S period.

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I'm sure it means something.

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Yeah. He was in Pritzy's Honor. He was Pritzy in Pritzy's Honor. Whoa. He was an Oscar nominated actor. He He got his one and only Best Supporting Actor nomination for Jagged Edge. He follows up the Oscar nomination with a film called Amazon Women on the Moon. So I love that he's like, hey, if it's interesting work, I'll do it. All right. That is an

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80s movie, so.

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Oh, boy. Another TV series, Mancuso FBI. I think he's Mancuso in that as well.

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Yeah. Is he FBI? I

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guess so. I never watched it. Necessary Roughness. So I had to put these down because I was like, how?

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That was the one with the player strike in the NFL.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And so they call in like.

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Keanu is like the quarterback. And then, man, that English guy from, whatchamacallit, who

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was in House of the Dragon. Oh, the English guy from. Oh, yes, yes. Oh, my God. Boy, he's had a real career trajectory too, hasn't he? So many

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characters in that movie.

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Yeah. So he's in that as well. What I was saying is, I was like, you know, I very rarely bring up TV movies by name.

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Why? They're fantastic.

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Well, this is why I did this. So in 1993, so in one year, just one year, he does two TV movies. One is called Nurses on the Line the crash of flight seven okay and then he does mercy mission the rescue of flight 771 so in one year he does two tv movies both about like flights

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one of them crashed one of them rescued

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i guess yeah just that was really interesting i mean when you there look there's just so many people in the entertainment world who have very long careers but don't necessarily necessarily become a name like Tom Hanks but gosh if you could do research on just like the different projects that these people did I just find it fascinating the different types of productions that they're part of so I just I mean look if you've

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been as much stuff as this guy has and you're also not as like insanely well known as to it's kind of it's kind of great isn't it yeah

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yeah

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do what you do and

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do what you do

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do and don't have to deal with quotes Sure.

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No, I agree with you. So wrapping up his credits, we have Bad Girls. To your point, he was in both the original Independence Day and he does come back for Resurgence as well.

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Hell yeah. Of course he survives the first one. Of

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course. Hell yeah. The TV show Queen Supreme. And then his final credit was a film called The Savant. All right. All right. Moving on to John Hurd, who plays Susan's, I guess, boyfriend. kind of a dick boyfriend.

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It's complicated.

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It's complicated, Paul. I... I feel kind of silly for saying this, but I was really sad doing research because I had not realized that John Hearn had passed away. I

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was not aware.

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And that really bummed me out when I realized that. He was young. He, I guess, had a heart attack. And not even just, like, super... Like, several years removed. So I feel I'm sad that I didn't, like...

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He passed in 2017, right? Yeah. Yeah. So,

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um, he had a great career. I mean, I'll get to it in a second, but like probably what most people know him as is Kevin's dad from the home alone movies.

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I mean, that's for sure what I know him from.

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Right.

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That and this and big,

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but yeah. Um, so earlier in his career, I remember watching this in school. He was in the TV miniseries, the Scarlet letter. Okay.

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Yeah.

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Totally remember that. He was Arthur Dimmesdale. So I totally, totally remember watching that. So I think I have mostly film work for him until later in his career. We have Cat People, After Hours, The Milagro Beanfield War, Seven Sign, Beaches. Some people might know him from that. Like I said, Home Alone. He does come back for the sequel, Lost in New York. Awakenings, Radio Fire, In the Line of Fire, The Pelican Brief. Pollock, White Chicks. So that's a real pivot from Pollock to White Chicks.

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Sure is.

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And then he did do some TV work for sure. He was on the TV series Prison Break. Now here's another TV movie. He was in the original Sharknado. Man,

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those Sharknado movies, they had decent casts

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for

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those. Yeah.

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I think that's what makes them kind of fun is they have these recognizable faces in

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them. Whenever anyone pops up in this movie I always bring it up as well because I thought the Nick Cage movie Snake Eyes

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thank you was like an

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under the radar like really good movie

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I debated whether or not I should put I chose against it but I'm glad you brought it up I

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always resolve that debate in favor of saying it

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and then his final credit was a film called Imprisoned okay so moving on to Josh's best friend Billy

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three years three years three months

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three months they would not be friends if they were three years apart

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probably not Probably not.

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So played by Jared Rushton. He's great in this movie.

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He really is.

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He's like I'm always that much more impressed by great child performers. And he's amazing in this film. And I absolutely love his wardrobe. He has some of the best T-shirts and that jacket, that leather jacket with all the pins. Yeah, it's awesome. So not a super extensive filmography, but a couple of familiar names. As far as projects go. So he was in Overboard. He's one of the kids in the film Overboard.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah. Now, I do remember him having a very short stint because I think he was like Becky's crush on Roseanne.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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All

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right. So he was on like a couple episodes of Roseanne. Good

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for him.

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Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.

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Okay.

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Pet Sematary 2. Then his last credit, like he did other TV appearances. For sure. But his last credit was the TV series Cover Me based on the true life of an FBI family.

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Man, why are we so obsessed with the FBI? So many FBI credits. So many FBI credits.

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OK, moving on to the very important actor who plays the young Josh.

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Yeah.

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Before he turns into Tom Hanks. I was carrying on that. So young Josh. And this was his first feature credit was played by David Moscow. Do you think I'm saying that? I mean,

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Moscow.

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Yeah. I think it's got to be the same as the city, right?

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Probably.

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Okay. So he's great in this movie too. I think he's really good and charismatic for the, we don't see him for a ton of time, but, uh, it's

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weird because like, I feel like they're trying to show like he's, he's 13, right? That's what they say. Maybe he just had a birthday in there. I don't know. know

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oh you're right he does have a birthday while he's Tom Hanks

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so he starts off at his 12

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yeah

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and I'm gonna say I think it's fair to say that 12 year olds in the 80s were just like more kid like they were kids they would do the kid things that he did in that in that car and in a lot of movies after that maybe now like you see kids that are that age they're doing things that are less just like kid like behavior I

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agree with just a couple exceptions okay like I agree with you. I think that he would have absolutely behaved that way in the limo, especially if that was his first time in a limo. That totally checks out for me. I think the times where I was like, I feel like they're aging him down a bit

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is

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at the party where he, I don't even know what hors d'oeuvre he had, but he makes such a production of spitting it out. It

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was caviar.

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That's what I thought. Yeah.

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And he reacted. He

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reacted. Like a six year old.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And that's

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fair.

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That's when I was like, you know, I know that that's like the joke of the scene, but that didn't strike. And I mean, it's like, OK, so that may have

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been Tom Hanks just being like, all right, I'm going to really throw some some extra

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Hank on this. Yeah. I don't know if that was the direction given to him or he did it on his own. But, you know, you have him behaving that way. And then, you know, 10 minutes later, you have him feeling up, Susan. So it's like, hmm.

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What a night this kid had.

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In any case, so David, he I mean, he has been working steadily. He earlier in his career did the TV series Living Dolls. He was in Newsies. A lot of kid actors were in that one. Love those hats. Yeah.

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The Newsies hats. Fantastic.

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White Wolves, A Cry in the Wild 2, which I think the original is Cry of the Wild.

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Yeah, that feels like it's like kind of combining a few different like old novels into one mishmash that also in involves a canine of some kind probably snow yeah i don't know what it is though

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yeah uh he was on the tv series zoe duncan jack and jane so he did that he was in riding cars with boys just married humdinger and one last night are among his credits okay

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i can't believe you didn't bring up the short he was in called turn me on dead man

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sorry i rarely do shorts

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i know but But that title, it's pretty good.

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It is a good title. It is a good title. Okay. So we have three people left.

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20 more people coming up.

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We've already mentioned him, John Lovitz. Yeah. So he plays Josh's coworker, Scotty Brennan. I don't know if I ever picked up on his name in the actual film. I don't think so. Yeah. But that's his name. And yeah, I mean, Lovitz, super recognizable face, has been in the comedy scene for a very long time. I mean he probably got... cast in this because of his previous film work. Now, because he had, I guess, had a more recent stint on SNL or like an appearance, the way that IMDb lists credits is like. If you did 100 episodes of something in the 80s, but then you came back, you got like a revival in 2020 and you were on one episode, it's going to bump it up to a later credit. So I'll get to Saturday Night Live last, but that is probably where most people knew him from and where he got his name. He was in Jumping Jack. So it seems like him and Marshall must have been friends. because he was in several of her projects.

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Okay.

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He did Jumping Jack Flash, Three Amigos, My Stepmother is an Alien, Mr. Destiny. He, like we mentioned, A League of Their Own, Loaded Weapon 1. I

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love Loaded Weapon. That's the one where Samuel Jackson opens up the matches and said, these matches say you're lying. And someone just wrote that on the internet. It's like an airplane kind of comedy. Love it.

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City Slickers 2, The Legend of Curly's Gold, North. High school high. I'm sorry. 3,000 miles to Graceland. That's

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even more miles.

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And lots of TV work as well. So news radio.

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He's also been featured quite prominently on a little show that we both love called Holy Moly.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. They have him set up for one of the mini golf

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goals. Did I just skip right back? I don't know if that was listed. It must have been. You'd think so. But... Uh, news radio. If you look at his credits, you'll see that many of his projects are in conjunction with like another SNL alum or several of them for that matter. But news radio, the critic, that's where he did voice work.

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The critic was, was good. Yeah.

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Yeah. I think it actually got critical. Like,

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yeah.

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So Mr. Box office, he's done a ton of voice work for the Simpsons. And like I mentioned, Saturday Night Live was really where he made his name so okay moving on to mrs baskin josh's mother so that's played by mercedes rule i mean it's kind of funny because you and i were talking about this when we were watching it just remarking on like so josh has to share a bedroom with his like infant sister yeah it seemed very weird it did very weird i feel like either at that point i'd

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like to know their long-term plans with this

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situation exactly exactly is that why he has the bunk beds like why oh god If

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that's the, if that's the longterm plan is like, we got our, we got a bunk bed set up. That'll work.

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It just was so weird and felt like that. Like, and I do love this movie, but that particular part of the, of the plot. There's no real reason for it. No, there's not. And it's like,

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I don't

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see that baby seems like solidly under a year old.

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Yeah.

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So it's like, I feel like, look, we don't have kids, but I feel like most.

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That baby would be number one on a list of babies. I don't care about. Oh, That's from the office.

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I know. But I feel like two choices are made. Either you have a nursery from, not necessarily from the get-go, but like you have a nursery for the kid.

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Yeah.

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Or you're the type of parent where you keep the baby in the room with you.

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Yeah, hey, keep him in your room.

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You don't put the baby in option C, the 12-year-old's room. It

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was just like it never really paid off. There's no point to

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it. No. There's no reason for it. I don't buy for a second Like when that one scene where the base screaming her head off and Josh is soundly asleep. No, I don't buy that at all.

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Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it that like I feel like someone just like, hey, I have this baby. Do you want to put him in this film?

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Yeah. So I don't know what Mr. Mrs. Baskin was. We're thinking. But in any case, Mercedes rule. So Oscar winning actress. And we'll get to that credit in just a second. But definitely has been in some high profile projects. um i have mostly film work for her she was in the warriors come out to play yay so she's in that

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okay

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heartburn she's in radio days secret of my success i'd like that movie too nobody's ever brought that one up

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yeah i

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love that

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i don't i it's another one of those where i've like probably seen like bits of it but i've never seen the whole thing from start

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to finish it's actually a really good movie married to the mob so she wins best supporting actress for the fisher king she's in last action hero, so that might be where you know her from.

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That movie is really bad, so bad that it's amazing. I love

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it. We've watched it several times.

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We've watched it at least once.

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It's been on several times. Maybe we weren't actively watching. She was on the TV show Power, more recently the film Hustlers, also the TV show Bull, and yeah, like a lot of these actors that we've mentioned throughout this episode, just a lot of TV and throughout the course of her career. Yeah. OK, so finally we're coming to he gets just a little cameo at the carnival. Mr. Baskin played by Josh Clark.

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He doesn't get much

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kind of strange to me. Like, I get that they're like really playing up the like emotional what have you between Josh and the mom. But I'm like, where's the dad in all this? Like the dad isn't even home when she answers the phone. That is kind of an 80s thing. Yeah. Yeah. Dad's at work. Yeah, could be. So Josh Clark, like I mentioned, a lot of one-offs. So has done quite a bit of TV work, but not really much recurring with a couple exceptions. He's

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been in one episode of a lot.

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Exactly. But some of his film work, he was in Ragtime, The Scout. So here are the series where he had recurring roles. Star Trek Voyager. Okay. As well as Heroes. So that was more recent. And he also was in the film McFarland... Hmm. Film synopsis. Oh,

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what do we got?

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After wishing to be made big, a teenage boy wakes up the next morning to find himself mysteriously in the body of an adult. That works. It does, but it's kind of weird that it's like, well, you just wished. You must not have believed your wish. It's

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not that mysterious.

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Yeah, you wished to be big. So I think the most interesting part about that is I was really paying attention to the scene where he does wake up the next morning and goes into the bathroom and like that whole scene where he's looking at himself in the mirror

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yeah

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I was like thinking to myself how would I respond to seeing someone that I don't recognize in the mirror

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panic

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right

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yeah

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like he kind of laughs it off

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yeah splashes some water on his face

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yeah and then like checks the mirror but it's like that's not even his dad's face it's a stranger's face so it's like he has no yeah like yeah I think you bring up a really good point he has like no he like kind of freaks out but he seems to realize really quickly what's happened to him and he doesn't have any like terror about it per se like I thought it was just an interesting way to respond to I mean that

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we know that he made this wish and wanted to be big if it wasn't for that I would wonder like am I just in someone else's body right even you wouldn't even know that it's like him it kind of looks like

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I think I'd like faint or something like I think it would be far more traumatic

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yeah but if his mom had found him passed out in the bathroom she would have straight up murdered

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him sure it was just I mean I know it's a comedy so then you that you have to keep that in mind as well but anyway I just thought that was interesting and on that note let's get into it with our special returning guest Mike let's do it all right We are very, very excited to have this special guest back on the show. We've been really lucky lately. We've had a string of some of our favorite people back on the pod, and Mike Anderson is no exception to that. He first was on the show all the way back in season one. 20

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years ago.

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For The NeverEnding Story. So we definitely encourage everybody to go back to that episode to hear his thoughts there on that. film, but today we have him for big. Mike is a filmmaker, and we're so excited because very recently we got to see his latest project, which we loved. It's the feature film, A Southern Haunting. It was incredible. It was incredible. It was so good. It was so good, Mike.

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Very much enjoyed it. It was

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amazing. It is totally our sweet spot for the kind of movies we love. He co-wrote it and co-directed it with Tyrone Hough, and And right now, people, you can go and watch it for yourself. Go rent it or buy it on Amazon Prime. And yeah, we're just over the moon to have you back, Mike. Welcome.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you all. Thank you both. It's a pleasure being back. And that was a very nice shout out and a very nice

SPEAKER_00:

compliment. Yeah, we're so proud of you. It was awesome. That's the best thing ever to get to like celebrate with our friends these like and honestly no no small a cop like this was yeah like this was a big deal to to like do this so we're like over the moon for you but today big and as i normally do the first and only question i have on tap is just do you have any initial this because this one is really interesting to me with the whole storyline so i'm very curious yeah that's a At one point in your life, Mike, we're also a 12-year-old boy.

SPEAKER_01:

That's actually incorrect. This is why I came on the podcast. I just wanted to announce to you, like Josh had to in the scene with his girlfriend, that I actually am still currently a 12-year-old boy. I just wished a doll and granted me this wish. This is my coming

SPEAKER_00:

out party on that. I'm going to say, Mike, it makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_01:

So much. It explains a lot. All the childish behavior that somehow got Josh fully promoted through the system is what's actually holding me back.

SPEAKER_00:

Which is all that more impressive that you've been able to have the career that you have. Well done. Well done as a 12-year-old.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, good job, kid. So,

SPEAKER_00:

yeah, I am really curious, like if you have, and it's fine of like you didn't see this until you were an adult but like do you have first memories of seeing it and how it first resonated with you

SPEAKER_01:

well you know i was thinking about just the iconic nature of this movie and and i was thinking about like just the piano scene alone and how i'm not sure if there's more movies in the 80s or more iconic movies i think it's like a top five like scene of a 1980s movie yeah yeah which is like the piano scene it's It's like in montages. It's been mocked before. It just resonates. So then it got me thinking about when was the first time I ever saw it. And I think the very first time I ever saw it. I mean, I don't have a distinct, distinct memory of it. I just remember watching it over and over and over. I'm sure your viewers, if they ever were in the 80s and the 90s, had that VHS holder that could only hold... 30 films and, and definitely big was like one of our films. So I think my brother and I watched it over and over and over. And now when I watch it and I realize that it's kind of got some adultness

SPEAKER_00:

to it. It sure

SPEAKER_01:

does. Yeah. I definitely watch this as like an eight, nine year old, 10 year old. And, uh, and, and now I, now I questioned my parents, uh, parenting ability, but, uh, parents nowadays are too, uh, are not willing to expose their kids enough. So, You

SPEAKER_00:

honestly you brought up a lot of good points. I think one of the things that and I'm told in total agreement with you is it is really interesting when you have a film like this where there is this like one suit. Well, there's also the silly string scene. That's the one that like always is in my head as well. But like for sure, the piano scene is such an iconic scene. So even if someone hadn't seen necessarily the entire movie, they could have for sure have just seen that scene

SPEAKER_01:

oh yeah they feel like yes because it's been been mocked and all these things and like there are plenty of movies that i go back to and i'm like oh that's where that scene is from oh you know like the simpsons did such a good job of always like kind of mocking yet homaging things that like i think a lot of us kids didn't even realize like through through brilliant like comedies like that how much how much infusion of great that these other artists were, like, complimenting by satire,

SPEAKER_06:

you know? So, like,

SPEAKER_00:

it's, yeah. whatever they don't even realize that yeah exactly so i think that there's you're you're spot on with that that this is one of those films that has just like kind of infiltrated um culture regardless of whether or not people have seen it i mean the other thing that you brought up that i loved because i had an immediate mental image was the vhs holder yeah yeah And it always, it always like would jam. I remember trying to open, it would always jam, but yeah, you could only fit. Cause I mean, VHS tapes for anybody who possibly has never owned one. Okay. So there was this thing.

SPEAKER_01:

It was called a video cassette. So, so last, last night we did an escape room, huge fan of escape

SPEAKER_02:

rooms.

SPEAKER_01:

I just wanna, to I just want to shout out that I've done them with Anna and Derek and they were great and we did get out so shout out they're still friends but there was they had a VHS one and we were with somebody in their like 20s as well and they were looking at it and they're like what do we do with this and I was like oh I just wanted to like take it from them and just like I just wanted to bury my head I was like it's a VHS tape are you kidding me like here you gotta find a player and they're like well okay okay I mean I know what this is but I don't know what it is and I was like oh stop it oh stop it so um the real escape was uh are you old enough to know how old you are to be playing an escape room um but but the other thing i i like about the vh uh vhs is that the uh there was always somebody always had the friend the neighbor or the cousin not me i wasn't rich enough that had hbo so they would record like three videos and it used to be my aunt carrie and she would mail us a couple vh every like every like three months with different movies that she'd record off of HBO and then we'd get the Aunt Carrie like bootleg

SPEAKER_00:

VHS tape with three mystery movies

SPEAKER_01:

I

SPEAKER_00:

love that I mean you're

SPEAKER_01:

loving a criminal act and I appreciate that

SPEAKER_06:

it wasn't for

SPEAKER_00:

commercial use I think as we all know the studios are doing just fine in any case I, so when I first asked, you mentioned that you and your brother watched this film. So my guess is then like, yeah, you were on the younger side when you first saw this film. And so like, honestly, my, my biggest question here, which kind of colors everything else is just like, I was thinking about this prior to coming into our conversation about when you are that age, are you thinking about, you know, God, I just want to be an adult. I just want to do adult things. I don't know if I've just been an adult too long that I don't remember. I was trying to think for myself. I don't know if I was... had that kind of like compulsion, but did you like, did you identify with that? I

SPEAKER_01:

realized,

SPEAKER_00:

I

SPEAKER_01:

realized that it was only like seven minutes in that he makes his wish and they did it with such potency because the one thing I do remember, uh, as a kid, and I'm curious if both of you remember, I don't really recall like wanting to be an adult super fast, but I do remember the day that my cousins and I and my friends all were different heights. And some people could ride the rides and some people could not ride the rides. And our big shout out to Valley Fair in Minnesota, in Shakopee, Minnesota. And that was like the place or the state fair where, you know, one year to the next year, and it was around like 11, 12, shockers, around puberty. Around puberty is when like, you got to do the rides. And it was crazy embarrassing, crazy embarrassing when you were too short for the ride and your brother could go on it or your cousins could go on it or a certain cousin could not go on it and so I think within seven minutes they were able to do it just by tying in like that single fact of like you like a girl she's taller than you she can ride the ride you are chump because just growth hormones haven't hit you and and and I do remember I do remember that feeling and I still can like recall it the

SPEAKER_06:

humiliation of it of it all of even like even the the nervousness of like, man, it's close. It's going to be close. Do I even want to try it? So I think like to answer your question, what I would remember is I remember being a kid and wanting to be big enough to do those things, but not wanting to be old enough to be responsible for things.

SPEAKER_00:

Did you really think that way? Probably not in that

SPEAKER_06:

way, but

SPEAKER_01:

it's a real adult way to think, Derek.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it is. Like that was, that's like very like wise beyond your years. Yeah,

SPEAKER_01:

already thinking about responsibility.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, I would say that it's probably, well, there's two things going on. Like from a personal perspective, I hit my growth spurts really early. So like I was going on roller coasters when I was probably like age-wise too young,

SPEAKER_06:

but I was tall. Every time you said a word there, I thought you were about to say eight, but you said age-wise. And then two, I'm like, oh my God, you were two years

SPEAKER_00:

old, right? No, but I was probably close to like five, six, seven for big roller coasters. No, I really, yeah, I hit my growth spurs really early. I

SPEAKER_01:

need pictures and I need them now.

SPEAKER_06:

I'll send them along. I mean, I don't know if like the... That one picture of you with the Easter bunny, you do look tall.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, no, I did. Towering over the Easter bunny, just be like, give me your eggs.

SPEAKER_00:

And it's funny because like, give me your eggs. My two cousins who, one is almost, well, it's funny because I'm three months older than her reference from the film three months older than you asshole yeah and i was always taller than her as a kid but then she hit her growth spurts later now she's taller than me um but so there's so there's that so i never had to encounter a rejection and in that way

SPEAKER_01:

i think we have to go back to the fact that you just told us that you were like six and going on roller coasters uh i feel like there's brain development issues

SPEAKER_00:

totally no i mean like i I just remember never having a problem going on roller school. I never was turned away. And so there's that. Plenty of, plenty

SPEAKER_06:

of us kids were.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, that's my other point. That's my other point is that like, I think that if I may, I hate to go down this road, but I do think that probably when you're a kid, it, if you're a little boy versus little girl.

SPEAKER_01:

Totally

SPEAKER_00:

different.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

So you can go down that road because the other thing that hits me, The other thing that hit me was that Josh and his girl crush, I forget her name, but when she said, this is whatever his name is, he can drive, that hit me big time because I remember in school, when you're 12, you're in middle school, right? And certain middle schools are two years or three years. I don't know anybody who did four years in middle school, but they're usually like two years. like seventh and eighth or sixth, seventh and eighth. And, and in that time, like you're trying to only like flirt, I won't say date, but like flirt with the girls of your own age, but girls are mature, faster. They're, they're all these things. So they're always shooting up a higher, like two, three years higher. And you, you can't shoot lower because then that's fifth and fourth grade when it's like ridiculous. It's fun. Fucking no man's land for the young boys of that era because the women, they hit their growth spurts, they hit their maturity spurts, they hit all these things. And we're just sitting there just like trying to figure out, you know, what sexuality is, who this is, and just kind of facing an odd rejection. That one resonated with me when she was like, he can drive. And I was like, ooh, I remember being on the ski chalet going in seventh grade with these guys and these girls and we were flirting. And then the girls were like, hey, the high school's here. We're going to go off. And we were just like, how did they do that? How in the world did they do that? And that's probably why I'm a good skier because of rejection.

SPEAKER_00:

No, and you, that's a very apt point in terms of middle school slash junior high. Like I think since the school that I went to has, I don't know the finer points of like, I think middle school is six, seven, eight junior high. is seven, eight.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I did junior high, but then they have, I didn't know this. I didn't know

SPEAKER_01:

this. This is a real public service.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know. Gosh, I don't, I am no expert, but I think that's how that pans out. But now it seems like everything is middle school. Like I never

SPEAKER_06:

hear junior high anymore. I didn't have either of those. It was just K through eight. Were you private school? No, no, uh, public school in lovely Glendale, Arizona. They're like, put them all here, put them all there.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, all to say that like, Like, so sixth grade, so still for me at that time, grammar school was just, like, just at the very end of sixth grade was when I remember kids beginning to, quote, like, like each other.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Like, like. Yeah, like, like. Like, like, you mean like, okay. That's why it's creepy if there's, like, a downgrade of, like. For

SPEAKER_00:

sure. You know? And plus, you're like, oh, those kids are babies. Like, you don't even, like, anybody who's even just one year younger than you. And

SPEAKER_01:

you're

SPEAKER_06:

like, there's literally sandboxes in that school. Yeah,

SPEAKER_00:

I think, no, thank you for getting us back to the, like, more acutely the world of the movie. And Mike, something you brought

SPEAKER_01:

up. I don't distract. I don't distract. No one has ever, ever, ever said, Michael, you take me on deep tangents that go nowhere. No one has ever told me

SPEAKER_00:

that. No, but one thing that you said, which is a big part of the film, like, depending on when you first saw it versus now, is you said there's a lot of adult stuff happening. Yeah. the for sure and we'll get to that the josh and susan relationship is one the one that i think um with this latest viewing of the film for me that really was like whoa was the fact that poor josh's parents

SPEAKER_01:

no no that's a that's a that's a big one i want to get to that i want to get to that but i do want to i do want to go back to to the to the josh and her name was susan is that what

SPEAKER_00:

it was yes yes yeah we can go that

SPEAKER_01:

way yeah do it and i want to i want to i want to ask an opinion because when I watched it, and this is going to be a huge poll that we're going to take up three humans, and I want to take a poll because I personally started the movie with joy and happiness. The middle of the movie, I went, oh shit, this doesn't hold up. This is creepy as hell. Then I thought, and this is my poll, I thought they stuck the landing. I thought they stuck the landing when they lock eyes and she chases him to the Zoltar machine.

SPEAKER_04:

and

SPEAKER_01:

she drives him to his home and they go to kiss and he wants to kiss because he's like in love with her and he loves her and he goes to kiss her and she leans in and I was like oh man this is not good and then she kisses him on the forehead like a mother almost and I was like bravo you stuck the landing it got a little dicey in the middle but to me and that's my poll to you did you feel like did you feel like it was problematic throughout or do you feel like me where like Penny Marshall, I think because she's a woman and everything like that, I think that actually helped. And we can talk about that later. But like, I thought, I thought they stuck the landing a little bit of like, got out of, got out of the pickle that they were in.

SPEAKER_00:

Do you want to go first, Jack? Sure.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, I think to give my answer first and explanation second, I will say I thought they stuck it. I thought they stuck the landing with that ending. And I also think like a lot of the movies that we talk about from the 80s that have scenes where you think, well, that's kind of a problem. I think this one is probably more innocent than not because it was, you know, this wasn't, they were trying to create some grooming scene. He looked like he was an adult. He was acting like he was an adult that was just a very immature

SPEAKER_01:

kid. And she said, what am I supposed to do? How was I supposed to know? Those two lines alone I think bailed their asses out. We

SPEAKER_06:

all just need to understand that a world with magic is just fraught with peril.

UNKNOWN:

These things can...

SPEAKER_06:

It can happen.

SPEAKER_00:

No, and to answer as well, yeah, I'm in total agreement because, I mean, look, if you're seeing the situation from Susan's POV, why would she ever think that he's not anything but an adult who just happens to have more juvenile tendencies?

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, if it had been reversed, if he was like an adult and he wished like, I want to be a kid. Right. And then somehow he bagels his way into that relationship He's like, I promise you, I'm in

SPEAKER_00:

my 30s. that the audience is meant to be like a little bit you know I

SPEAKER_01:

think they know that they were able to interject like even I'll get graphic a little bit even the way like he touches her breast is like yes just and and turns on the light there's just those two moments in that that like allow you to say okay I get it I get it that we all go through an exploration and in a first and stuff like that but like but And she's not pushing anything either. That's what helped too. I don't know. It was dicey. I'm not going to say it wasn't dicey there in the middle. But I think it was a fine uncomfort. Let's just put it that way. As far as problematic 80s movies for your 80s podcast goes, I think it flew close to the sun. But it was Icarus' dad, not Icarus.

SPEAKER_00:

No, you're absolutely right. And another big part of it is the the way that the two actors handled those scenes

SPEAKER_04:

yeah

SPEAKER_00:

you know i think that perkins did a great job of being kind of this like confused yet bemused kind of girlfriend where she's like i don't really get you but um okay you know and and again like i

SPEAKER_01:

know i can be myself like the juxtaposition is good too because like i i was the kid in high school which you know for, for better or worse. And definitely probably the worst side. I was childish in it, in its sense. So like, I, Oh man, I still remember like some of the most beautiful, beautiful women in high school would, would, would be like, Oh, you're interesting. And then I would take them. I would take them tree climbing. And I would take them climbing. And they would be like, what the fuck are we doing? Like, like have a 40 behind the, the, drugstore and make out and instead i take like these these women and the dates lasted probably like like a week and a half two weeks because i just i just couldn't i i don't know i

SPEAKER_00:

don't know that's so wholesome

SPEAKER_01:

it was it was like i said for better or worse but like i definitely i definitely uh was was was stinted in that in in that but uh

SPEAKER_00:

i love that that you're like let's go tree climbing

SPEAKER_06:

you're pulling two and a half week relationships at that age, you're doing great.

SPEAKER_01:

Respect, respect. That's, that's, that's pretty much what I needed. I needed to know that, uh, my career of my high school and middle school was, uh, was good. I can't, I can't tell you how many times I would bring them to the trampoline or thing. And just like, like, like, you know what, you know, it's seen honestly, oh man, now I'm just getting into it. Resonated, resonated with me the most. And I'm telling you, this was probably until like 27 years old. I'm sure that hurts a lot of girlfriends that were before 27. When he goes, when she lays down in the bed and he jumps up on the top bunk and then reaches over and gives them a gift, I have had so many opportunities like that where they clearly had something else in mind and I fucking jumped on the top bunk. Okay, turn off the lights so we can see the stars better.

SPEAKER_06:

I I think that was all perfectly encapsulated in an episode of Seinfeld where George is asked to come in for coffee, and he says, no, coffee keeps me up, and he drives away. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Hard cut to middle school girls dating above because they're dealing with morons at their same age. It just is. It just is.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I mean, I will say though, as having once been a middle-aged girl, like I, we, you, you, I think you're giving us, I appreciate it, Mike, but I think you're giving us a little bit too much credit because we also are very confused and don't really know what's going on. I mean, it there's, I think what it is, there's like a big disconnect.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah. Turns out, turns out communication would have helped everybody the entire time. Oh, you know, you know what, Anna, you, you just brought up a great point. not to fully, fully interrupt with my overexcitement, but when she said another line that I absolutely dug is when she said, Josh, what is going on here? And he starts like throwing the papers at her, remember? And she straight up asks, that was a line that so connected with me, exactly what you just said, which is like, which is like, you know, you were confused. We were confused. Everybody's confused. And, and, you know, like, and, and look, shout out to the gay and lesbian community too. everybody's confused right like the whole point is like no one's that suave um but she literally was like what is going on here with us between us like who am i what am i to you like i was like that was the most adult thing in the entire movie that was yes because now i can say that to people it's like what is what is the relationship here even if it's business or relationship or whatever and and then he didn't even know how to answer it and he like started throwing paper at her and he was like, come on, come on. That was the biggest, to me, distinction in the movie of adult versus not adult.

SPEAKER_06:

I actually start all of my work calls that way by just asking, what is going on here? What is our relationship?

SPEAKER_00:

That's why I also want to just take this moment then to also really acknowledge Hank's performance. We honestly very, very rarely bring up oh, so-and-so would have been cast in this role because it's like it doesn't matter it's like that's not that's not who the movie was made with my answer is always Tom Selleck but but when you do look at like you know anyone else especially some actors that like I think the person who did come closest and then dropped out was of all people Robert De Niro and yeah and so it's like no this movie absolutely needed a lighter touch and

SPEAKER_06:

yeah like the Robert De Niro back then I

SPEAKER_00:

mean like he had like Midnight So he had some comedic chops. Yeah,

SPEAKER_06:

Midnight Run's a good example.

SPEAKER_00:

So it's not like he couldn't. It

SPEAKER_06:

wasn't going to be Raging Bull.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and I think the innocence is the big part of it that Hanks pulls off really well. And to see where his career has gone since, he obviously also has the gravitas to pull off certain scenes. But in particular, because I don't want to forget this train-a-thon it when um when he's in that like what do they call it like a flop house

SPEAKER_06:

sure and yeah the yeah

SPEAKER_00:

like it that scene actually makes me so so sad for him he

SPEAKER_06:

is he's terrified he's

SPEAKER_00:

terrified and yeah it he does have range in this film like i think a lot of people do think about the piano scene or the scene where he's just being more kid-like and goofing off.

SPEAKER_06:

He, in fact, was not a child. So that's actually pretty good acting to so convincingly make it appear as though this is a kid in an adult's body. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think that that scene was really necessary because, I mean, I'll admit, throughout the course of the film, Derek and I were like, well, how did he actually get to rent that apartment? Even back in the 80s, there'd be documentation you'd need. There's little things that the film... glides over, but, um, I don't, I

SPEAKER_06:

don't think that place is asking for documentation of any kind. I think

SPEAKER_00:

not, not the initial place, but like the, basically like the kind of penthouse or, you know, the really, I

SPEAKER_01:

mean, the real question was how much cocaine was the real estate agent. That's what I like to ask myself.

SPEAKER_00:

But yeah, I mean, just to say that I'm glad that they included that to show that yes, this is in fact a child and he, he does have like a really interesting arc. I mean, I was laughing when it does get to the end where Billy confronts him and that's the next, that's the other relationship I really want to dive into. Um, but when Billy confronts him and at this point, I think it's really interesting to see, um, um, I don't know, this is kind of a whole sidebar conversation, but when you talk about kids acting like adults and the way that perhaps our childhoods were, not to, I know we all had distinct childhoods, but like maybe

SPEAKER_01:

the opportunity. From first grade all the way to eighth grade. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And just like the way that maybe we had a chance to have a little bit more innocence perhaps than kids today and the way that they I do think honestly are asked to grow up more quickly and are exposed to things like even just the fact of having computers and social media and tablets and all these things around them they I think they function in a more adult way even in like ways that I don't even I don't know if we all acknowledge like the fact that like a five-year-old can just manipulate an iPod and you know get themselves up in the morning turn on the TV and I

SPEAKER_06:

mean, in a way, cool, because when I was that, all I could do was stare at a TV. Maybe manipulate some blocks or something. I wasn't doing IT stuff.

SPEAKER_00:

It's just interesting to see that Josh does come into this role where at the point where Billy confronts him, he is still a 12-year-old, but he's having meetings and he's coming up with different... It's interesting to see that he's handling that. I

SPEAKER_01:

was thinking about that too, and I was thinking That's... That's why I think I like the, like the, the, the sexuality of the movie points a little bit better because like, it's so distinct between like being a kid and being an adult versus like, look in school, you have meetings, you have this, even if you don't know what's going on, like you have homework, you have all this stuff. So I, I felt like him slipping into the business world actually wasn't as shocking as, as, as, as like, I thought it would be, you know, like, because the business world is just a different world. You know, it's just like, you're just better trained in something. So all he had to be trained in is toys. So like going to meetings and stuff, it's not like, it's not like he didn't have like a school where you can't talk unless you raise your hand, you know, like, so, so school is to emulate business and capitalism and all this stuff. Right. So, so I thought that part was going to shock me more. And it actually made me think, oh, right. Like I, you could drag a kid, like sometimes, uh, with my, my my, my work, you know, we drag kids in like young actors, like in Southern Hollywood. Thank you for renting it. Everyone. Um, Leah Hayes, Leah Hayes was like very young and, and, and, you know, she's one bath does now and all these things. And, uh, and, and she immediately, even though she was a kid, she had kid, like she had like kid, like, um, uh, things that she would do, but she was also, when it came down to the work, she fit right in. She knew when to, act, how to act, what to say, all these things. And so, and so I thought actually it was a good reflection of like, of, of, of that part of, of, of, of just like what does make us a kid. Right. And then I'll go back to this point. You were kind of hinting that today's kids are kind of growing up a little faster. I have a proposal for you because while you were saying that I just came from a family reunion where I was hanging out with my, my parents are like in their eighties and, um, I would say our eighties and nineties kids had the only point in time that you could be a fricking kid, kid, kid. And, and maybe that's the difference because my dad at like 14 was driving. Who am I kidding?

SPEAKER_00:

A 12. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Driving. He was running the farm when grandpa had to leave. He was the head of Hancho. He was literally like chasing bulls down. There was a story of like him confronting this bull at age eight and like grabbing it by the nose ring. And like, controlling it like what the shit like and that was his responsibility not like precarious but like that was his responsibility so i think the 80s 90s is actually the era where we were just able to be kid kid kid you know

SPEAKER_00:

that's that is

SPEAKER_06:

a very very good point 14 years old and driving he would have done great with the girls at that amusement park oh man exactly that's the only problem

SPEAKER_00:

no i mean for sure like i know i mean my my grandfather so to speak didn't even have a childhood like he stops I know he stopped school at eighth grade and he worked his family's farm and that was his upbringing I mean my dad's was a little different but I think that yeah for sure it's it's a weird kind of um what is it bell curve in terms of and even just the the the term teenagers did not come into existence until like the 1950s exactly

SPEAKER_01:

exactly rebel without a cause was like get a job buddy because we've all been working this long you know like james dean you slacking son of a you know like yep like dad i'm not gonna i'm not gonna get a job at 12 i wonder i wonder i'm not gonna let that pass by that

SPEAKER_06:

was

SPEAKER_01:

amazing thank you i uh i i i wonder if if like what our grandparents thought of this movie if they were like oh josh you started a

SPEAKER_00:

was when you were speaking about some of the actors that you had in your own film. I think the entertainment industry might be, I don't know if I could say few because I can't claim to be well-versed in any other, but like the entertainment industry is a really interesting industry because of child actors. Like it is like one industry where it is accepted that there is this very young demographic that often is part of it. And of course, of course, there's the like Coogan Law, like there have been a lot of strides made in terms of protecting child actors, in terms of hours they can work on set, and still getting their education. But when you go back to the very early days of... I mean, one of the most tragic stories is Judy Garland and the way that she was... basically used as like an entertainment mule so to speak you know like they gave her uppers to to be on when they needed her on and you know like the poor woman and all to say that she eventually came to the end of her life at like 47 looked probably 20 years older than that by the time she passed but it is a really so like just to say there's there's of course a line to walk in terms of project protecting younger actors but they're for sure I think you just bring up a really good point in showing the ability of very young people to act in very adult ways. It's just an interesting

SPEAKER_01:

point. Where do they not act? Where is the child in a sense? That's why I did say about the sexuality because that part is the spot I think it... I don't know. In friendships too, I think that's an important part. As friends we all have our childhood friends but our evolution has changed so much like like when when when they yell at each other or they believe in each other or they're or or they make things like a bigger deal than they are like a bully was trying to beat you up and I protected you therefore we should be friends for the rest of our lives you know so

SPEAKER_00:

the argument between like that was one thing I was laughing about is the fact that Billy does say to him I'm three months older than you and the fact that was such a big deal when we were kids yeah knowing exactly when everybody's birthdays were And knowing exactly how much older or younger you were than someone else. of yours and they were able to tell you admittedly a very private song or what have you that the two of you made up would that be enough for you to be like you are that person you are my friend yeah okay

SPEAKER_01:

easy freaking answer absolutely yes because he even showed the birthmark okay okay that's true oh pose to the pose to the audience all of you out there um when you were a kid and maybe it was the influence of big or other body snatching like things did you lay in your bed between the ages of 7 and 14 and think if I became a woman in Freaky Friday or something or if I became a dad or if I became a dog how would I prove to my mom and dad that I was their kid I know I definitely had those thoughts where I was looking up at my ceiling and And I was like, well, I had this mole on my leg and my dad would have to remember that I have this mole, you know, like, like that mattered to me, that mattered to me. So when his mom rejected her, rejected him and, and his friend didn't, I took that a hundred percent as yes, because I know that my friends and I have talked about that. And I know my, my friends believe me more than like the stubborn adult.

SPEAKER_06:

All right. So here's my, my counter to that is, Has anyone just laid in their bed wondering, what are all the things that I'll have to make sure no one sees to finally understand my real identity? What if you wanted to make sure that no one knew you had turned into a dog or an older person?

SPEAKER_00:

You want to keep that information from people? Yeah, don't want anyone to know.

SPEAKER_06:

Interesting, interesting. Kind of the same thing. Just want to make sure I don't let anything slip because I'm just going to stick with this.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you went with the Clark Kent. You went with the Clark Kent. Yeah, yeah. That might show why Derek earlier said, well, as a child, I understood that responsibility as an adult. And I was like, and I invited hot chicks to climb trees. I wish I had

SPEAKER_06:

even thought of the climbing trees thing when I was a kid. It didn't even cross my mind.

SPEAKER_01:

So Arizona, cactuses, a lot of them. That's why it never worked out. No, to be honest, no. I understand the question completely, but I think I'm such a people person, and I'm not saying you're not, but I think I'm such a people person that my thought was to be ostracized was way more scary than being a hero who then their family was going to get like taken down, you know? Like I had hero, I had hero visions, of course, who doesn't, but I think the ostracization of like, what if, what if I became something I wasn't, how would I still maintain my friends and my family haunted me more?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, well, I mean, I do, you know, it's certainly not something where I think there could be things that could convince me, you know, if all of a sudden one day, some, I don't, I don't know what you would walk in and as Derek, but like, if you didn't walk in and as Derek and you you were trying to convince me, no, I actually am Derek. I'm sure there are things that you could say or do that would convince me of that.

SPEAKER_06:

Hello, AK-47.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, the fact that there are also 12, I feel like there, again, is an innocence and a leaning into optimism and belief that also guides Billy being like, oh, it is you, Josh. Also,

SPEAKER_06:

this movie, if this movie was different, they'd spend the whole movie getting him to be convinced.

SPEAKER_00:

It's not that it bumped me. I was just curious. I

SPEAKER_01:

just watched the modern version of Shazam. He has to tap on the window and the guy's like, but then the friend understands, but the parents don't. There is a sense of, side note, Big is definitely the movie Shazam and Elf. I'm okay with that. They both drew inspiration from it. Elf, I cannot believe how much inspiration they must have drawn from it. Even when after he has sex, side weird note, and he's walking down and he's like, hi, hi, hi, how are you? You look good. I was like, Will Ferrell had to have watched it. And rightfully so. Great art mimics great art, right? So that's not me shouting out or crapping on. But when the mom, a grown ass man walks through and your kid's not there, you're in fight or flight. And I definitely think you're in fight at that point and and and all of that which then we can get Anna back to your your ask of like sure how wrong was the mom like why was there not a nationwide search exactly for this kid that was the suspense the suspended disbelief that you just got to get past he wasn't even on the milk cart well I

SPEAKER_00:

the reason why I bring that up is because I don't know if that even it felt tonally really disconnected from the rest of the film. The mom?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah,

SPEAKER_00:

the whole tragic, we think our kid has been kidnapped, and who knows what's happening to him. This

SPEAKER_06:

movie is big, not ransom.

SPEAKER_00:

Right, but that's my point. They had to just

SPEAKER_06:

cut that off.

SPEAKER_00:

But you could have done a million things to not have that be even a sub-plot point of the film. I don't know, you could have had that it was the night before he was supposed to go to summer camp, or just something where the parents didn't even have to be part of it because again it seems like such a strange addition to the film where you could have found a way where you know it's so funny you said summer camp

SPEAKER_01:

I thought that exact same exact same one I said summer camp why didn't they just put them but again but again movies are so hindsight so hindsight very

SPEAKER_02:

true

SPEAKER_01:

thousands of people working on this movie and then I'm sure they watched and they were like oof probably shouldn't have had her kidnapping

SPEAKER_00:

because that is real real pain and grief and like horror for the parents to not know what's happening to your child. And then they just get these random phone calls every once in a while. I gotta be honest

SPEAKER_06:

with you. I never felt pain or horror or trauma. I was just

SPEAKER_00:

kind of like laughing. We're not even, you know, we're not even parents, but like I can very easily put myself in the shoes of that mom and just, Oh my God. Because

SPEAKER_06:

he was okay. Like, we knew that Tom Hanks, we knew that, we knew that Josh was okay.

SPEAKER_00:

That's the only reason why it was okay for us as the viewer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah. And so we didn't really care as much about them. We wanted it. Like we only cared about the parents, the extent that that impacted Josh's character. Sure.

SPEAKER_00:

And really the mom, like where's the dad in all of this?

SPEAKER_01:

I was surprised that we never saw the dad, which, which actually didn't matter. It didn't matter. But like, but, but I was thinking about, I was thinking about like the little conversation with the walkie talkies between the mom and, and the redheaded boy. And even that, I felt like that probably should have been earlier in the movie. It was like some, like she's struggling, but, but I get it. It's the complexity of an eighties movie. Yeah. The true eighties movie. I was just thinking about that too. It was like, so eighties movies didn't shy away from anything. Like I think about like coming to America and like when you watch, when you watch a true eighties and mid to early nineties movie, You would watch it with your parents because it literally was a family movie that talked to everybody because there's adult stuff, there's kid stuff, there's nudity sometimes coming to America. And parents would just kind of be like, I don't know if you had this, but parents would be like, you have to leave the room for the next three minutes and 43 seconds. And you're like, I wonder what that is. And you'd leave and then you'd come back as if it was a normal part of movie watching experience. that's so fucking weird

SPEAKER_00:

or you would or if you all hadn't seen something yet and then all of something very adult came on there would just be like this awkward silence and like endurance of the scene you just all move on without saying anything it would

SPEAKER_06:

range from that awkward silence to I wouldn't be told to leave the room but I would be told to close my eyes and cover

SPEAKER_01:

my ears literally literally like what a weird what a weird way to watch a movie and it was super acceptable in the eighties and early nineties that like the family, but then again, that's what I'm thinking. Like now we custom make movies so specifically to such a perfect audience and everything is micro graded. And like, that's why the eighties and the early nineties movies were so interesting is because they just were, they were like, this is going to be drama. This is going to be comedy. This is going to be a little adult. This is going to have some swearing, you know, like, well, it was all okay.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah. You know what? I have to, uh, I have to admit is that if you cover your ears a certain way, you can kind of get your elbows up and obscure whether or not your eyes are closed. So I would act like I was covering everything up, but no, I saw

SPEAKER_01:

some stuff. I respect that move, Derek. I respect that

SPEAKER_00:

move. One thing that, and I don't even know what I was listening to, but in this, I really don't want this to become a Marvel movie podcast, but well, all to say to Mike's point one thing I was listening to recently on a different podcast was the fact that all the Marvel movies in large part because I'm having a hard time even thinking of a particular scene are so devoid of any kind of sexuality I know there was like a little bit of a something something between the Hulk and Black Widow you know but and then like the one acceptable relationship is between Tony and Pepper you know but even that is just like a couple kiss like it's It's not, it's not anything. It's

SPEAKER_01:

so dull. It's so dry. Yeah. So dry.

SPEAKER_00:

It's like, whatever, it's fine. I guess I'm not going to a Marvel movie for romance, but at the same time, I mean, happy and, uh, Peter's aunt. Sure. Do they even kiss on screen? Like probably not all to say it's fine, but it was, it does seem like a very deliberate choice. No, we're not, we're not putting any of that in this. Like

SPEAKER_01:

we're the ship. Well, again, it's, it's not even the censorship of the sexuality of it all. It, Like the censorship of just like, if it's comedy, it better be a fricking comedy and don't ever turn, you know, like, like, I like that. I cry and Tommy boy, you know, like, I like that. There's, there's moments like that. Like, I don't know. I don't know. It's, it's, it's, it's about eighties movies.

SPEAKER_00:

It, it is really interesting. I mean, another relationship that I'm curious, your thoughts on is between Josh and McMillan and how, and, again like they're obviously with to your earlier point derek this movie is about magic so there has to be some suspension the

SPEAKER_06:

darkest most evil

SPEAKER_00:

magic no no but i'm just curious like is it just a movie convention do you think it's believable that macmillan would so quickly be like i want you on my team you know like is that just something that had to happen to propel the film forward or do you think that it's realistic that somebody in his position would see someone like Josh and be like, yeah, I like your energy. I think you can bring something to my company. I like to go to your gym. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I, I think of course it's suspension of disbelief. Like, sure. I, I did like when he was like, Oh, does that mean if the president dies, you get to become the president? He's like, no, there's hundreds of us. Like just kind of a little jab at corporate America. Like everyone. Um, but, uh, but the, the, uh, I, I do think in stagnant business, you, you get, you know, some outliers like the Cheetos guy. There's that movie out right now. The Cheetos guy, the, the, the, I, I, I don't want to like misquote this cause it could be culturally horrible, but I think it was like somebody who was just merely a factory worker. Okay. Um, when the Cheetos stopped producing and he was Mexican and he brought it home and he's Mexican American, um, And he brought home the dry Cheetos and put on all the spices and then handed it out to the Mexican, uh, like fellow workers, Mexican American fellow workers. And they would eat it up, eat it up, eat it up. And then literally like one of the hundreds of VPs, one of the VPs walked by and was like, what you doing? What you eating? And it was like, Oh, the Cheetos machine stopped putting cheese on it. So I took it home because you were just going to throw it away. And I put the, the, the, the, the spice on it. And then boom, Flamin' Hot Cheetos, and they made him the vice president of cultural affairs or something like

SPEAKER_00:

that. Oh, that's really interesting.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, if you don't know that story, it's freaking amazing. And that happened, boom, just like that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, no, you're, okay, that's actually a very good example of how something like that could happen. Yeah, it did happen. It did happen,

SPEAKER_01:

yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah,

SPEAKER_01:

when you're plugged into a culture that a world doesn't have, that is the way I think corporate America does acknowledge it, where they're like, oh, we didn't know about sustainability. You're the VP of sustainability. Oh, we were freaking literally almost short-sighted and blindsided to our stereotypes of different people. You represent a different culture. Geez, we're blind to this. Here you go. Companies who are open to that can succeed. And this is my TED Talk.

SPEAKER_00:

No, I think those are all really good points. And again, I bring up these questions not because I'm trying to argue against what the or it being believable or whatever. I'm just curious because maybe it's partly because it feels like obviously we're watching these films throughout the course of this podcast through 2020's lens. And it feels like it'd be impossible for something like that to happen today. It's just maybe my cynicism or whatever. And especially with Josh not maybe having the quote right qualifications like he doesn't have anything to speak of in terms of like background and so for there to be such a leap of faith it of course is somewhat of a movie thing but it happened a lot in the 80s in the 80s movies yes in the 80s movies yes like uh not for the podcast but you know one movie that comes up that we were re-watching not too long ago was mannequin and kind of the same same thing happens um and it's always like the benevolent, like older, very high up. Yeah. One of the golden girls. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, um, it is kind of a trope of, of a kind. Um,

SPEAKER_01:

I think it, I think it happens. I think it happens. I think it happens. You get, you get someone who represents something that you were blindsided in, in your company and you put them in a position of power and try it. And, and for all you corporate big, big wigs listening to this, uh, to this 80s podcast.

SPEAKER_00:

There are so many listening to the podcast.

SPEAKER_01:

I say keep it up. I say keep it up. That's how we got Flamin' Hot Cheetos. That's how we got different things in the banking. That's how we got different flavor profiles. That's how we got different kind of food. No,

SPEAKER_00:

no, you're right. I mean, it's funny. And again, like you're saying, you're bringing up a lot of really good points that kind of make me think of all these sidebar conversations. But I think the same thing could be said for entertainment itself.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. Yes. Like, like look at, look at when we give voice to other people, what happens, you know, you're like you, you take a small movie and, and it blows up because culturally people feel seen and they're like, Oh shit, I'm finally seen on the screen. And then corporate America is like, okay, then I'm bringing you in. I'm bringing you into the fold. Like, like now granted it's shitty that they have to always prove themselves in like, just like Matic ass way. And no one just takes it chance not saying that but I am saying like it's good when it happens even if it is still a work in progress

SPEAKER_00:

and and just you know that because this has been a conversation for a really long time now I'm not trying to also make this into a bashing Marvel type podcast let's go there's so much conversation around the fear that execs and studios have around doing something that's not a proven you know moneymaker yeah and and just nobody wants to take risks anymore and there is no such thing as and you know mike you your own life and career uh disproves this point but like to say that there's no such thing as independent film you know like but it is it is so astronomically difficult for projects interesting different projects that come from different voices and show different faces to to rise up nowadays so so it's just an interesting point that like is in some very meta um in terms of like us talking about movies

SPEAKER_06:

no i think it i think the tide is slowly turning and the appetite for superhero movies is starting to wane which is good so that we have more opportunities to get movies like 1988's big

SPEAKER_01:

yes well no i never that's not what this podcast is about american capitalism and um No,

SPEAKER_00:

I, and this is, I mean, of course I do. I knew that this was going to be a great conversation. One thing that I do want to bring up before we, we do wrap up this awesome chat about big is that this is something that I really, I really want to know both of your thoughts on it. So, you know, we obviously get to a point where in some ways, to be quite honest, it seems like Josh is really thriving and his, adult life. He is successful at work. He does seem to have a good relationship. He has this great place where he lives. A lot of things do seem to be coming up millhouse for him. Billy having this confrontation with him, I do get it from Billy's point of view. He's feeling rejected. He's feeling abandoned by what was his best friend. But for both of you, I think you can answer more appropriately because I never was a 12 year old boy so as a 12 year old boy what choice would you make would you say no I want to I don't want to skip out on because they don't really give a age of where Josh is supposed to be as an adult he was 30 he was

SPEAKER_06:

32 Tom Hanks was so I don't

SPEAKER_00:

know if that's so he skipped out on a maybe about 20 years of his life

SPEAKER_06:

I'll let you take this one first Mike

SPEAKER_01:

easy answer Easy answer. I would go back because I did like my childhood, but I think it's an easy answer for other kids to say I would stay because they didn't care for their childhood. I also thought it was really interesting when we've seen it on the show Friends, we've seen it on dozens of movies, TV shows, everything like that, but I was thinking in particular one about Friends where they drive the list of all the negatives and then on the right the pros and cons and then on the right side they say about Rachel yeah like about a person they say they say the but the pro is you and he goes there's a million reasons for me to leave and there's one reason for me to stay and she's like what's the reason and he's like it's you and she's like oh and like in any if this was a romantic comedy he would say because adorable the scale is so heavily weighted oh my god a million things to one but that one thing is gravitationally so strong and in this movie it was like no but the million things are actually outweigh you like I thought that was really interesting knowing all the movies and TV I've watched in the past where they usually choose the other way but as a kid who liked his childhood and all this stuff I know it would be very very hard to leave something like that especially like your first love love and stuff gosh how stupid was I during my first loves I would I thought I was you know blah blah blah but like like for him to make that I think was honestly oh I'm gonna get deep ready was the most adult decision he could have made was to go back to being a kid oh that was just

SPEAKER_00:

that's a really yeah well said statement I mean I'm very curious to hear if you have a counterpoint to that Derek

SPEAKER_06:

no I would definitely go back okay well although I probably have more complicated feelings on my childhood. But I would now be armed with all of this experience and knowledge, having lived and survived and in many ways thrived in this adult world, going back as a kid. Yeah, and I would use that all to my advantage.

SPEAKER_00:

That's a very good point. I mean, it's funny because you both are giving the same answer, but in some ways you're giving the same answer for different reasons. I

SPEAKER_06:

would go back because now I feel like I would have this, um, I would be empowered in some way to, to like make changes or, or like improve upon that childhood versus no, it was great. So I'm just going to go back to it. But either way, I, I, yeah, either way, I don't want to like just, uh, piss off 20 years of life. So

SPEAKER_00:

I think that's a big part of it. I mean, I think that that's hard to comprehend as a legitimate 12 year old. I could say that like, regardless of being a boy or girl or whatever, That's something that I think as a child, you vastly underestimate as how quickly time goes by as an adult. And that aside from health, time is the most precious commodity you have. And so to all of a sudden be denied 20 years of a life, that's a huge deal. But I think as a kid, that would be a hard thing to be like, oh, that's the reason why I don't want to stay an adult I think that both of you make really excellent points I mean I think that regardless of what your childhood may be like I think that to like there are things like high school like college like just early adulthood to skip over those things regardless of where you know the environment you may be in as a child I think that would be a hard thing to also lose because Because I mean, I guess in theory, Josh could go back to college, but it'd be a totally different experience. Night school. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_01:

What

SPEAKER_00:

were

SPEAKER_01:

you going to say, Mike? No, just again, I think the particular name of your podcast is a socio-psychological exploration as well, just based on your viewers listening. Because I just got off the plane. I was sitting next to this woman who was telling me about how her dad at age seven left home. and started selling uh zippers in brazil and then he ended up becoming the largest fabric seller in all of brazil starting at seven like like like zipper king of brazil yeah like like like like that alone is like yeah you know he chose to be like i am so done being a kid i want to go and be an adult you know like would he it's just interesting but that but he's 93 now you know so it's it it's an interesting, your question lands in such a, in such a, not only are we viewing it against this movie, but we're viewing it in our own childhood and our own timelines, you know, in our own timelines. Like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting. We grew up with the Doogie Housers, you know, like, like he had both worlds. So maybe, maybe we're just greedy in the eighties. We're like, I want both, you know?

SPEAKER_00:

No. And I think, I mean, that is also a reason. And the reason why, to perhaps speak on your behalf, Derek, the reason why we chose this podcast and to talk about what we talk about is because regardless of what personal experiences we may have had as kids, sometimes good, sometimes bad, the era as a whole brings back a nostalgia and a fondness and just a warmth that is really joyful to talk about.

SPEAKER_06:

And I think it is legitimately a decade of great, great movies. Yeah. Great

SPEAKER_00:

movies. That too. That too. So, Mike, thank you so much for being on this. Did we even talk about Big? What? Did we even talk about it? Of course we talked. Didn't we not talk about Big?

SPEAKER_01:

I actually watched the Big short. Did I do it wrong? No,

SPEAKER_00:

it all worked out. It all worked out. I mean, you improv'd masterfully. If you didn't actually watch

SPEAKER_06:

this movie so let's talk about the financial crisis part

SPEAKER_00:

no this was I mean it is look every film that we talk about there's something really cool to discuss about it but this one in particular because it is it is so in so many ways like self self-referential because how do you not put yourself in the position of the character I mean some films it might be hard to relate on a more personal level but we've all been a 12 year old and it's a fun

SPEAKER_06:

movie to see like to have seen it when I was a kid yeah see it again when you're an adult yeah like some different like you're you've just grown you're an adult now so it feels different seeing it you know which is

SPEAKER_00:

kind of and you were I mean thank you oh go ahead Mike

SPEAKER_01:

no no no especially this particular movie it literally deals with viewing it as a child and viewing it as adult this particular movie alone I thought was a great experience to revisit and I encourage all of your listeners to go and watch this one because it is one of those where if you did see it as a kid and you're seeing it as adult it's not just that you're looking back at like a high school movie as an adult and a kid it's literally looking at a movie that it starts as a kid becomes an adult ends as a kid and you've had those experiences so I thought this particular movie was very very interesting for the reviewing

SPEAKER_06:

let's

SPEAKER_00:

say

SPEAKER_06:

but if you never saw it as a kid just don't worry about it it's fine

SPEAKER_00:

because I mean some films very much I mean that we've covered are very much a product of its time we've we've said as much that oh this is very much a time capsule of what was happening at this particular moment in our history and then some do have a more kind of timeless aspect to them and I think this is one of those films because regardless of what era you grew up in or the circumstances around your childhood like there are just certain kind of like universal elements of it that I think this film hits upon whether it is you know just feeling maybe inadequate in comparison to your peers or that first really nervous like anxiety provoking first love and like how do you navigate that or just like being asked to be an adult in some ways like as he is in his career so

SPEAKER_06:

being really specific when you are presented the opportunity to ask for some magic wish because he He just wanted to be taller. That's all he wanted.

SPEAKER_01:

He wanted three inches, not three years. Yeah, he just wanted to

SPEAKER_00:

grow smart.

SPEAKER_01:

That's really funny. That's a good point, Derek. That's a good point. Literally, it's called big, not old.

SPEAKER_00:

But you were the perfect guest, so thank you for coming back on the show. And during our introduction, I mentioned this amazing project that just came out for you, and So I wanted to know if you just want to reshare with our listeners, your film and anything else that you've got going on or where they can maybe find you anything you want.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Uh, it's just, again, the movie just came out on Friday, um, to whenever this day is, it's at least out is all that matters. It's called the Southern hunting co-written and co-directed with Tyrone Huff. It didn't draw any inspiration from big, but, um, that is there. And, uh, Yeah, go check it out. It really supports us. It's on Amazon. It's going to be on all the other platforms. But go check it out. Rent it or buy it or rate it. But don't rate it poorly because that hurts my feelings.

SPEAKER_00:

No, it has great ratings on IMDb. And I really second that for multiple reasons. I mean, I will always champion independent film. And it's very important for people to support independent film. but even outside of that, it's just a really good movie. Yes. And a really good story and great performances. So definitely. Yeah. One, one last time, everybody, please go see a Southern haunting and Mike. Thank you again for being on the show. Really was our pleasure friend.

SPEAKER_01:

Is it your birthday tomorrow, Derek?

SPEAKER_00:

Mike, thank you. We love you. And we're so glad that we finally got you back on the show. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

We'll let you know that you're probably going to start. Your part will start about one hour and 30 minutes into this episode.

SPEAKER_00:

That is a deep cut inside joke. A very deep cut. But I know he'll appreciate it. I don't know if he'll even remember. Well, maybe we'll just edit this out

SPEAKER_06:

then. Maybe not. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

So, all right. Derek. Derek.

SPEAKER_06:

Anna.

SPEAKER_00:

Would you watch this film again?

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, of course. But you know, as, as we like discussed with Mike, this is a movie that like definitely hits different now.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

I mean, I saw it when I was a kid when it first came out and then you're like watching it. It's probably the first time that I've watched the whole movie from start to finish. So you see it as a kid and you feel a certain way about the prospect of like becoming this adult. And now it's just such a different experience. So I would, I'd be happy to watch it again, but I'd be lying if I did Mm-hmm. I don't know what else to

SPEAKER_00:

say. I'm just listening to you. No, I look, the first time I saw the film was I was older, so I'd already passed that point of like ever having had the chance to see it as a kid. Yeah. And so

SPEAKER_06:

it's 88, right? Yes. So I would have been about his age when I first saw it. OK. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So for me, like it had just been a while since I had seen it. I mean, honestly, probably over overtime. years since I had seen it in its entirety and I think what you said really hits in terms of like the innocence because like we were kind of remarking about it last night I will say that the his first night in that like real sleazy hotel was legitimately sad like that broke my heart for him because I thought that that's like if he earned that nomination I'm not saying he did or didn't but if he earned it it was that scene yeah where he is just so you can tell he's like just so sad and alone. Yeah. And he's calling for his mom. Yeah. And it's really sad. I mean,

SPEAKER_06:

there are people being murdered in the street outside his hotel room.

SPEAKER_00:

So yeah, I can I can definitely put myself in the shoes of a 13 year old who seems like he's had a pretty sheltered upbringing. Yeah. And then he has to experience that. But that aside, the rest of the film, there's not a huge like I thought one thing that was really interesting that you brought up because you're like, are they going to try to like blackmail him or try to call him out? Like you thought there were definitely ulterior motives

SPEAKER_06:

when she yeah when she first wanted to like leave the party with him

SPEAKER_00:

yes and i think that absolutely would be the case if this film was made today

SPEAKER_06:

yeah but she was just kind of like this sad

SPEAKER_00:

she's just kind of curious about him

SPEAKER_06:

it was like his like this youthful nature drew her to him but then it was weird because we weren't really sure what her relationship was yes

SPEAKER_00:

to paul yes and and it's so funny what they did with her character because they totally did the thing where like when she's first introduced she's wearing this like boss lady outfit and her hair is pulled back and she's got lots of makeup on and then as she goes through her relationship with him her hair's down she's wearing like softer clothing and

SPEAKER_06:

makeup she drops him off home when he changes and he does change and he's like a little kid waving by

SPEAKER_00:

what

SPEAKER_06:

do you think she's thinking about at that moment

SPEAKER_00:

yeah I mean they probably thread that needle a They could even for 1988. I don't I don't think this film pretty much. I don't think this one would get greenlit today.

SPEAKER_06:

But that's what I mean when I talk about the innocence of it, because I guarantee like no one was even thinking along those lines. Like they just weren't even thinking. They weren't

SPEAKER_00:

thinking about conversations. I'm sure there was a conversation about like, OK, so what about the love scene? Like they don't show them in bed together. Well,

SPEAKER_06:

look, we've already we've already like gushed over an entire trilogy that's based on potential incests. So back to the future.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I thought you were talking about Star Wars.

SPEAKER_06:

That too. So, yeah, there's a lot. There's

SPEAKER_00:

a lot of 80s kind of pseudo ancestral. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I I just think that. What the only point I was trying to make is that along with the innocence, like things kind of go right for him.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, they sure do.

SPEAKER_00:

Like he gets he gets a job and then he gets this huge promotion.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And then he gets this girlfriend and there's no blackmail.

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There's no trying to figure out where he's from. There's no any of that. And it's just truly him getting to a point where he misses home.

SPEAKER_06:

That's it.

SPEAKER_00:

He just misses home.

SPEAKER_06:

He missed like what, like 20 years of his life.

SPEAKER_00:

And that. Yeah. Yeah. So he

SPEAKER_06:

sees that like he starts seeing what like what he's missing out on. And,

SPEAKER_00:

you know, I think the the other thing that I just thought was really interesting, which is why I would. Yes, I, too, would. I mean, for sure would watch it again. I don't know if I will seek it out personally. say but if it's like on tv for sure i think it's really interesting that i will say that what the film i think does well it shows how you acclimate to circumstances where like by the time billy is like trying to show him hey i found where the the machine is like you can presumably i like how they just assume he'll be able to immediately go back to being a kid but like when once that happens and he goes into his office he's like fully in work mode yeah and has acclimated to like what this world is yeah and he's succeeding and if

SPEAKER_06:

he's smart he'll he'll go back to being like a 13 year old retain all of that knowledge and become the world's first child influencer

SPEAKER_00:

yeah yeah so i thought of

SPEAKER_06:

unboxing

SPEAKER_00:

videos i thought that was really interesting that they did that with his character he doesn't fumble really he he anyway so yes i too would watch this home again i mean this kind of bring we brought up a lot of things that leads to like call to action. Mm

SPEAKER_05:

hmm.

SPEAKER_00:

I, I mean, hmm, what would be my, I know what I want to kind of ask for my call to action. Oh, then do it. What is it? Well, I'm just curious, like, how do people respond to the love story?

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, okay. Yeah, that's, that was, that's kind of what my question

SPEAKER_00:

is. Like, would you have done it differently? Does it go too far even with seeing him, you know, feeling her up? Like, is it fine? Do you have a problem with it?

SPEAKER_06:

I'm glad that's as far as it went. Me too. Holy shit. That would have been.

SPEAKER_00:

Me too. Me too. Yeah. I mean, there's the heavy implication the next morning. There sure

SPEAKER_06:

is.

SPEAKER_00:

We don't know for sure what took place after that scene, but the implication with him super happy and bouncing into the office. High five. Yes.

SPEAKER_06:

High five on that guy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But for a 13 year old feeling somebody up could have been enough.

SPEAKER_06:

First base.

SPEAKER_00:

There you go. Yeah. That second base, right?

SPEAKER_06:

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what these base ratings rules

SPEAKER_00:

are. First base is a kiss. Is

SPEAKER_06:

that it? Right? Okay. I'm not going to go through all the bases, but

SPEAKER_00:

like, first base is a kiss, second base is I thought feeling...

SPEAKER_06:

Well, at least I have my call to action. Could someone please clarify the base writing rules for us?

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So, on that note, we would love for you to get in touch with us. You can do so through Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook. And it's the same handle for all three. It is at 80s MontagePod and 80s is 80 Okay, sneak peek.

SPEAKER_06:

Hmm. I legitimately don't know what it might be.

SPEAKER_00:

Legitimately, you don't know?

SPEAKER_06:

I'm so confused.

SPEAKER_00:

Now, you should know this better than I know this. And so the fact that even I know what to potentially give you as a clue is kind of wild.

SPEAKER_06:

And

SPEAKER_00:

that's not the clue. Does it?

SPEAKER_06:

Would it involve perhaps the powers of Grayskull?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, what I, okay.

SPEAKER_06:

Now I'm giving you a clue. I'm giving you a clue to give me back a clue. So if my clue is right.

SPEAKER_00:

My clue. Yeah, yeah. It's okay. I might be paraphrasing the first part of the clue. Okay. But it's not goodbye. It's good journey.

SPEAKER_06:

You got to imagine that we're doing the gesturing. Yes, good journey. Yes, of course, in the full feature film of Masters of the Universe. But you'd be like, Masters of the Universe. No, I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_00:

sorry if that picked up me hitting the mic but i hope it just adds to the the like resonance yeah i think it worked yeah so yes masters of the universe i don't want to say that um

SPEAKER_06:

like childhood me was supremely disappointed by it but i will just say i expected something different and then i had to accept it for what it was

SPEAKER_00:

you know what's never disappointing though

SPEAKER_06:

what's that

SPEAKER_00:

the amazing returning guest that we know and love and is coming back on the show

SPEAKER_06:

for his

SPEAKER_00:

returning guest

SPEAKER_06:

yeah yeah

SPEAKER_00:

and he is awesome and we're super excited to have him back and in the meantime just thank you to everybody out there with all the podcasts choices that you have there's too many of them you're gonna be in for a good time with masters you gotta be or like masters masters masters masters of

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the

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universe. So that's what you're in store for, and we will talk to you again.

SPEAKER_06:

Wait, just say it one more time. I'll add the effect in later.

SPEAKER_00:

Masters of the universe?

SPEAKER_06:

Perfect.

SPEAKER_00:

We'll talk to you again in two weeks' time.