'80s Movie Montage
Breaking down our favorite decade of flicks. Hosted by Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke.
'80s Movie Montage
The Princess Bride
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With special guest Alexa Borden, Anna and Derek discuss all things inconceivable(!) in Rob Reiner's beloved 1987 classic The Princess Bride.
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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.
Alexa L. Borden is an award-winning film composer based in Los Angeles. She is credited with contributing original music to over 40 film and theater productions and often co-composes with her long-time writing partner Connor Cook.
Hello and welcome to 80s movie montage. This is Derek.
SPEAKER_02:And this is Anna. And you just listened to one of the lines from The Princess Bride that we thought was uh Who would have thought? Especially timely given uh the situation of the world at the moment.
SPEAKER_00:I've seen The Princess Bride a million times, and not once was I prepared to watch this movie and hear a lot of uh mask dialogue.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that wasn't even the ma the single mask reference.
SPEAKER_00:There are mask references in this movie. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_02:But uh we thought that one was I mean, it's kind of I don't I don't know if I go so far as saying gallows humor, but I thought it was, you know, kind of darkly funny.
SPEAKER_00:I do want to point out that Wesley or the Dread Pirate Roberts mask is not what I would consider CDC compliant.
SPEAKER_02:Not at all.
SPEAKER_00:No, it it literally only covers his eyes, so it covers nothing that you want covered.
SPEAKER_02:No nose coverage, no mouth coverage. So don't don't follow Wesley's uh lead as far as the type of mask.
SPEAKER_00:In any case, the Princess Pride.
SPEAKER_02:The Princess Pride. So this is my pick.
SPEAKER_00:Uh but This is everyone's pick.
SPEAKER_02:It is, it is, it's everyone's pick. Thank you. Uh this is 1987. So a little bit later on in the decade, at least in comparison to our last reviewed film, E.T., which was 82. Yeah. So we're a couple years along. And yeah, I mean, you you bring up a really good point in saying that it's everyone's pick because it is a very beloved movie, especially I think that uh love for it has grown only since it came out, and at this point it's already 33 years ago. Isn't that kind of crazy?
SPEAKER_00:It is crazy. It makes me feel very old to hear that.
SPEAKER_02:But at the same time, because and we, you know, we talk about this with our special guest, Alexa, had a great conversation with her that will be coming up later on. We multiple times talked about the the timely timelessness of this picture.
SPEAKER_00:Well, it's I mean, to the extent that it is kind of a this fable or kid's fairy tale, I think that that makes sense because those tend to have some some lasting power, and we we have to try almost to find things to to identify that maybe wouldn't have aged as well. Right. For the most part, it's it's still just like this like sweet, funny movie.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. And because we did have such a wonderful conversation with Alexa, I'm gonna just jump right in so we can, you know, kind of chat about the things that we normally do before we bring in our special guest.
SPEAKER_00:Sounds good.
SPEAKER_02:All right, so this I I as I normally do, I start with the writer of the script. And I think this is the first time, I'm almost positive of it, that we are coming across a writer who adapted this screenplay from his own source material.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so he knew it pretty well.
SPEAKER_02:He knew it pretty well. He was a gentleman by the name of William Goldman. He unfortunately passed away just a couple of years ago, so he's no longer with us, but he was arguably one of the most successful screenwriters. Also had many books that he put out about screenwriting, about his experience in Hollywood. He definitely is somebody that as a writer I look up to. We talk about him a little bit with Alexa, and so I already mentioned with her that, you know, two-time Academy Award winner. Yeah. I had no idea. Yeah, no, he he he was great. So among some of his credits, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Stepford Wives.
SPEAKER_00:Which one?
SPEAKER_02:The original.
SPEAKER_00:Got it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, not the Nicole Kidman version. Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I I thought I thought so, but just to be sure.
SPEAKER_02:Uh I appreciate your attention to you know, doing your due diligence. All the President's Men. Marathon Man, which also was based on his book.
SPEAKER_00:Dustin Hoffman, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, correct. Misery. He adapted that. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00:Wow.
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm. Yep, sure did. And Chaplin. Okay. Among some of his bigger hits. But as far as like screenwriters go, I mean, sometimes screenwriters don't have that many credits because it's just a really competitive. I mean, as with anything in Hollywood, it's a really competitive field. But he has like at least like 30 credits to his name.
SPEAKER_00:Pretty impressive.
SPEAKER_02:Very impressive. So Mr. William Goldman, thank you so much for that original story, The Princess Bride, because like I said, it's become a film that just so many people love. This film was directed by another gentleman that has also done quite well for himself in the industry. Rob Reiner. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He does. Yeah, yeah. He's done okay. So Rob Reiner, I mean, he is what you would call a hyphenate, although I think that definitely he's become more known for his directing, and probably he produced on a lot of his projects uh in his latter career. I mean, he started out as an actor. He's the son of Carl Reiner. I don't know if you actually knew that.
SPEAKER_00:No, I didn't know. He was he on uh All in the Family?
SPEAKER_02:Correct, Meathead. Okay, yeah, that's what I thought. Okay. Yep, that's where probably a lot of people first got to know him.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So he was on that show for quite a while. But uh even in the early 80s, he segued into directing. So among some of his big credits, one of my all-time favorite films that we will definitely be covering at some point is This is Spinal Tap. Which he's also in.
SPEAKER_00:Which is is crazy. I'm sure we'll we'll address the fact that I saw that movie for the first time in 2019.
SPEAKER_02:I know. Yeah. I I'm kind of shocked that like that wasn't a deal breaker for me when I first met you. And I'm so glad it wasn't. Uh so this is Spinal Tap. Then he went on to do The Sure Thing. Did you know that?
SPEAKER_00:I did not know that.
SPEAKER_02:Jenny Husak.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And uh Daphne Zunika.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. All right. Uh Stand by Me. I know you really like that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's probably one of my all-time favorite favorite movies ever.
SPEAKER_02:Great film. Great acting, great, like these young actors, Rover Phoenix, chief among them, all put in amazing performances.
SPEAKER_00:And possibly one of the best Stephen King adaptations.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. No, it was really well done. Then we have When Harry Met Sally.
SPEAKER_00:I'll have what she's having.
SPEAKER_02:Uh-huh. He directed Misery. So Goldman did the screenplay. Reiner directed it.
SPEAKER_00:They did a great job because I never want to see that goddamn movie again, ever.
SPEAKER_02:There's yeah, I mean, we were just talking about that last night. We were like going through different lists of movies and we're like, great film, never watching it again. Because it's just like so dark.
SPEAKER_00:It's it's too bad that it wasn't it was it wasn't an idiot movie, right? No.
SPEAKER_02:Uh no, that was early 90s.
SPEAKER_00:So that we we could get to that part and say, like, will you watch it again? No.
SPEAKER_02:No. A few good men. Alright. Yeah, so he not only has directed a ton of just generally speaking great films, but amazing range in in terms of genre. So so he's he's awesome. He's a great director. So I will briefly talk about who scored this because we go into depth with Alexa about the gentleman. So I'm probably going to mispronounce his name. Mark Knaffler. I accept that pronunciation as accurate. Okay, great.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So he started the band Dire Straits.
SPEAKER_00:That's not bad. Yeah. Those guys were really good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and and he did the score for this film. So, like I said, later on, we will definitely give him his time in the sun with uh Alexa. For sure. For sure. This film was shot by a gentleman by the name of Adrian Biddle. He is no longer with us. But this guy, too, I mean, the credits, hella impressive.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. What'd he do?
SPEAKER_02:Aliens.
SPEAKER_00:Oh shit.
SPEAKER_02:Right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's wow.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, that's that's literally one credit besides the Princess Bride.
SPEAKER_00:I wouldn't connect those two either. That's right. No, right? Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Talk about range as well.
SPEAKER_00:They're very different, I would say, stylistically and thematically. They're not.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Totally agree with you. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Very different.
SPEAKER_02:Willow.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. That's an awesome movie.
SPEAKER_02:It is an awesome movie. We'll do that one.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know how well that's aged, because I I saw that and I'm like, hmm, it's a little, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Problematic or no, no. I just like it's been a while since I've watched it.
SPEAKER_00:I'll have to watch I'll have to re-watch it again and not just have Anavan in the background.
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Thelma and Louise.
SPEAKER_00:Mm-hmm. Let's just keep going.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, let's just keep going. This is one of our mutual favorite movies that again is on the like nighttime rotation. Do you know? Do you have any clue whatsoever what I'm talking about?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, geez. Um I mean, I can just start naming off films like the mummy or holy shit.
SPEAKER_02:So the 1999 mummy with Brendan Fraser and Rachel Weiss.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, possibly the best mummy ever.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I would say that with confidence. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, Tom Cruise.
SPEAKER_00:Sorry. Oh, no, we're not sorry. That was awful. Not sorry. It wasn't that great. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:The world is not enough. So he got in his James Bond movie.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that was during the uh Pierce Brosnan era of uh Bond films. And it was weird. Like Pierce Brosnan was kind of like, what if Roger Moore just didn't have quite the same charisma?
SPEAKER_01:Hmm.
SPEAKER_00:Anyways, they were fun movies. I thought uh Golden Eye. Golden Eye was probably one of the best Pierce Brosnan movies.
SPEAKER_02:I'm uh not a Bond chick. Let's just keep going. Let's just keep going. And then among one of his last credits is V for Vendetta.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, okay. Yeah. That's a good movie.
SPEAKER_02:So he unfortunately passed pretty young. He was only 53. Wow. Yeah. But uh uh outstanding work in the time that he was with us. So okay, moving on to our last behind the scenes person, Robert Leighton, he was the editor on this film, so he cut it. So it uh appears pretty likely to me that he must have a a nice relationship with Rob Reiner because they have worked together on a great many films. So besides this one, The Sure Thing, Stand By Me, When Harry Met Sally, Misery, A Few Good Men, he cut all those films.
SPEAKER_00:Wow. So besides those guys really get along.
SPEAKER_02:They really get along. Maybe it's the first name thing. They're both Robert. Perhaps. But in addition to all those great films, which already are awesome, he also did Bull Drum, which we love.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's a great movie. Great summer movie, baseball movie, since we have no baseball. He also did, and so it also shows you that when people work together on these films, like you can build really amazing, long-standing relationships. Because in addition to Rob Reiner, so Christopher Guest was an actor in this film, but he also went on, and we talk about that with Alexa, because I go in a whole spiel about Christopher Guest in this movie.
SPEAKER_00:But uh the Christopher Guest rabbit hole.
SPEAKER_02:He also has gone on to have a really successful career as far as a writer and director for a lot of these really fantastic mockumentaries. And so Leighton cut for him best in show, a mighty wind, and for your consideration.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So these guys all keep working together, which is kind of cool.
SPEAKER_00:It seems to have worked out quite well for them.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. Don't mess with it.
SPEAKER_02:Don't mess with it. If it ain't broke. So I I feel bad because Oh no.
SPEAKER_00:Why?
SPEAKER_02:Well, because I know that we're not gonna really be able to give due diligence to all the amazing people in this film who acted in it because there's so many of them. And we could just honestly have like a 10-part series on this one film alone if we were going by, you know, all the contributions that these different actors made to the film itself and also where they have gone on to, you know, thrive in their acting careers. We already have like plus ten, so I'm just gonna like there's a lot, but I'm saying I'm saying let's just give it a shot.
SPEAKER_00:Let's see what we can do.
SPEAKER_02:Let's try. Let's try. We're here. Yeah. Carrie Elways. Oh, yeah. So he is he has a lot of names in this film. He's Farm Boy.
SPEAKER_00:Farm Boy.
SPEAKER_02:He's Wesley. He's Dread Pirate Roberts. That's it, right? He is the man in black. They call him that.
SPEAKER_00:They do. Yeah. At the beginning, before they know what to call him. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:So he he has a lot of different names. And I mean, he's just we again, it is discussed later on. He's he's perfect. He's perfectly cast in this role. He he's awesome.
SPEAKER_00:He really is. I mean, he has just like the look of like that kind of swashbuckle hero type of guy.
SPEAKER_02:Swashbuckle, yep.
SPEAKER_00:Swashbucklin.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But the mustache. The mustache really does it.
SPEAKER_02:Mustache really seals the deal.
SPEAKER_00:The Errol Flynn mustache, I think. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And as with pretty much everybody on this list, he's had a great career since because that was one of his really early roles. He was only about 22, I think.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I don't think I realized that because every time I see him in anything, I'm like, oh, it's Wesley.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, he that was he had done work. It's not like this was his very first role, but he was still really young. And same for Robin Wright, which we'll get to.
SPEAKER_00:I see him in a lot of things where he's not necessarily the guy you root for or the hero.
SPEAKER_02:No, I'm not gonna bring up I'm gonna bring that up. So um some of his other films though, he's great in glory. That's just a great, great film. If you if you haven't seen Glory though, that is an 80s film, so maybe we'll get to it at some point.
SPEAKER_00:I watched that movie so many times in high school, I think.
SPEAKER_02:Me too. They would they That was definitely a high school film. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Was it was it really educational? I don't know, but it was entertaining.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I you know what I can appreciate is that they wanted to t show a different side of the Civil War and especially with the former slaves who participated.
SPEAKER_00:At the time that it first came out and that we would have been watching it, it actually would have been Progressive. Wow. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And he's written in it. It has an amazing score. I don't know off the top of my head who does it, but if you uh need a good sob fast because you will almost certainly be sobbing by the end of that movie, I highly suggest Glory. So, Days of Thunder. Okay. Hotshots.
SPEAKER_00:Which one? Part due?
SPEAKER_02:Uh the first. Okay. Yeah. Still good. Bram Stoker's Dracula.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna say something here. I've watched a lot of uh horror stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Uh-huh, uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00:It's not my favorite.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, that's fair.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Keanu Reeves really just immediately takes me out of a lot of that movie. He's a little miscast, I'd say.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. Robin Hood, Men and Tights, he is Robin Hood. He's Robin Hood, yeah. He's Robin Hood. Uh he's in Twister.
SPEAKER_00:He that's where that's kind of like where you first dip your toes into really not really liking him much.
SPEAKER_02:Correct. He's he's a good swarmy guy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And so I can only take a guess because I kind of uh stay far, far away from these type of films, but he's in Saw.
SPEAKER_00:He was in the first one for sure. I don't know if he is in any other ones. And I've seen not all of, but parts of the first saw, and he yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Is he not a good guy?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know if anyone is. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. I can't remember.
SPEAKER_02:And then also another great swarmy character is uh the the like mare that he plays in Stranger Things.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So good on him.
SPEAKER_00:I want to root for him, but he makes it hard sometimes.
SPEAKER_02:Makes it so difficult.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Robin Wright, Buttercup. Or the Princess Bride.
SPEAKER_00:I like Buttercup.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I like Buttercup too. I like like having a real name for somebody, even though the real name is Buttercup.
SPEAKER_00:But uh so Or as Humperdick would say, Buttercup.
SPEAKER_02:Buttercup. She was even younger than Always. She was she was like 20, I think.
SPEAKER_00:And how old was he?
SPEAKER_02:Like 22.
SPEAKER_00:That's actually pretty good for Hollywood.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, right. The the you mean the lack of age difference. Yeah, I I feel you. So she she has been in some really like iconic projects. Chief among them, I would say, is Forrest Gum. She's Jenny.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, Jen A.
SPEAKER_02:Jenna.
SPEAKER_00:Boy, did I not like that character.
SPEAKER_02:Jenna?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's there.
SPEAKER_00:She really puts Forrest the ringer.
SPEAKER_02:You could have a really interesting conversation about her role in that film because she goes through such a character arc, whereas Forrest doesn't really much because of the nature of his character, yet he is the protagonist of the film. So it's a really interesting dynamic between the two.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:In any case, she's also, I know you really like this film, Unbreakable.
SPEAKER_00:She's in Unbreakable.
SPEAKER_02:She's Bruce Willis' wife.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Well.
SPEAKER_02:Right? The one time I saw it with you?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, you're right. I haven't seen that in a while, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02:A couple of her credits White Oleander, Moneyball, Wonder Woman. You mentioned that last night. And then one of her most well-known at this point roles is House of Cards. Yeah. So. Alright, Mandy Patinkin. That guy's awesome. He is so awesome. He plays Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die. How do you say his name? I say Inigo.
SPEAKER_00:How does he say it?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I'm not giving it probably the most accurate accent, but it's spelled I-N-I-G-O, so That's true. I'm doing my best.
SPEAKER_00:That's fair. No. I just I hear I've like even within the movie, like Andre Fezick, you know, is like Inako.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, everybody has their own little spin on it. But uh he he also has had an amazing career. For all these people, I've had to severely reduce down the the He's done so much. So much, yeah. So he was in Yentle, Dick Tracy, he's done a ton of television. So Chicago Hope, Dead Like Me, Criminal Minds, and then just in the same vein as Robin Wright, where she is really one of the faces you think of when you think of House of Cards, and that series just ended. He also ended a longtime series, Homeland.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So he was in that. Okay, Chris Sarandon. I don't know if you knew this about Chris Sarandon. Who's the other person in Hollywood with the last name Sarandon that you are aware of? That would be Susan. They were married. Okay. Did you know that?
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_02:And she just decided to keep his surname for her career.
SPEAKER_00:Wow, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, isn't that cool? Or or just interesting, I guess you would say.
SPEAKER_00:It's both.
SPEAKER_02:It's both. So he is Prince Humperdink.
SPEAKER_00:That guy.
SPEAKER_02:That guy. But he also Master Tracker. Master Tracker.
SPEAKER_00:Honestly, it's it's amazing.
SPEAKER_02:So ridiculous.
SPEAKER_00:Watching him uh retrace the steps.
SPEAKER_02:These conclusions that he comes to were. There was a great battle. Give me a break.
SPEAKER_00:No, we don't care about the loser. Only the winner is important.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, he is so funny in this film, but because so many people are funny in this film, I feel like sometimes he is forgotten as one of the like stronger sources of like comedic relief.
SPEAKER_00:He does remind me a little bit of uh, is it Lord Farquhar from uh Shrek?
SPEAKER_02:Like the Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh, now that you say that, I'm wondering if that was like super intentional that they modeled that character after him. It's so possible. Yeah, I would not be surprised. But he's also done some like really serious work. Like he was in Dog Day Afternoon. Okay. He was, and so I mentioned these because I was like, wow, again, talk about range. So he was in the two versions of Fright Knight, the 1985 version.
SPEAKER_00:I thought so, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And the 2011 version.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, the I I'm not sure. I can't remember the the more current version, but the original is a great movie.
SPEAKER_02:So he's in both?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's pretty amazing.
SPEAKER_02:Pretty amazing. He's in Child's Play.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that's also a movie.
SPEAKER_02:Bordello of Blood.
SPEAKER_00:Um that sounds familiar.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I a horror horror film. You know about you just like it's a good one.
SPEAKER_00:Is it a is that a Tales from the Crypt thing?
SPEAKER_02:Bordello. Maybe.
SPEAKER_00:I think it might be.
SPEAKER_02:I didn't do a deep dive on that.
SPEAKER_00:That's okay.
SPEAKER_02:But I just thought it was a fun name to that. So he also was on Chicago Hope. He also, one of my shows that I loved in my younger, my younger days, Felicity. Oh, okay. He was on that. And then he was also, I mean, and again, really cutting down the credits here, judging Amy. So among some of his like he's been in so much television, but I try to pick some of the ones where like he had a longer recurring role. Sure. So Alright, getting to Christopher Guest. That guy. The count. Okay, I'm I'm just gonna read the credits because I don't want to go down that rabbit hole that I eventually.
SPEAKER_00:We we already will go down that hole. It's already happened.
SPEAKER_02:It's already happened. So this is Spinal Tap. He's Nigel. He's so good. Yeah. And this is Spinal Tap. He also has a very straight role. He plays in a few good men.
SPEAKER_00:Small role, but he's as straight up as you could possibly be. Like he you almost believe this is an actual doctor that works no part of this.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. And then, like I said, I mentioned his really successful career in the genre of like comedy mockumentaries. Among those. So I mentioned some of them, but uh Waiting for Guffman, Best and Show, Mighty Win for your consideration. My favorite of those is Best and Show. It's so funny with the dog show.
SPEAKER_00:Well, that's because you, in fact, love actual dog shows.
SPEAKER_02:I love dog shows.
SPEAKER_00:We have no dogs.
SPEAKER_02:We have no dogs. That's why. Okay, moving on to Wallace Sean, uh Vizzini, but we kind of I think prefer to we just call him the Sicilian. This guy, I mean, um I had to do this because I've done it before, so I feel like it's only fair. Like, all these people have so many credits, but this guy, I don't know if you realize, like, he has over 200 acting credits.
SPEAKER_00:That's pretty um pretty impressive.
SPEAKER_02:Right? I mean, this guy is he is working, he is hustling.
SPEAKER_00:You know what is weird is that in addition to his role in The Princess Bride, what I most identify him with is the role of blackjack dealer in Vegas Vacation.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Well, you know who I most identify him with? He's one of the teachers in Clueless.
SPEAKER_00:That's right.
SPEAKER_02:And that's like that is the first thing I think of when somebody brings him up. So he's so good in that. But this guy, so and good for him. He's he is doing just fine. And you know why I say that?
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_02:Remember when we talked about Annie Potts?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Why did I say that about her?
SPEAKER_00:Oh man, I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:She plays uh or she voices one of the characters in Toy Story?
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So does he. Who does he voice in Toy Story? T-Rex. Oh.
SPEAKER_00:The dinosaur. That's r okay. Yeah. Yeah. Now I can actually like when you said that, I can actually like imagine the T-Rex saying something. I don't think he ever says inconceivable, that's too bad.
SPEAKER_02:Oh. That would have been amazing if they could sneak that in. So so he's he's doing awesome based off that. And some of his other credits, he was in Murphy Brown. I'm also not a Trekie, but he was in Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
SPEAKER_00:Wow. I don't know. I mean, speaking of rabbit holes, the Star Trek rabbit hole is more of like a wormhole that you may never escape from, that not even light can escape. So before I give my impression or opinion on any Star Trek series, I'm just gonna say, let's just keep going.
SPEAKER_02:Let's just keep going. Yeah. We don't want to alienate anybody.
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_02:He also voiced a character in The Incredibles. He, I mean, I can't even see.
SPEAKER_00:He was the insurance, he was um Mr. Incredibles' boss.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so like not like super main pivotal, but like still, like that's really cool. And I could totally see he has a great voice. It's such a unique voice, so it makes so much sense that he does that quite often. He also was on the show Crossing Jordan and the L word, among some of his many credits. Okay, so kind of pivoting a little bit to Fezick, otherwise known as Yeah, he is he is Andre the Giant.
SPEAKER_00:And what I most enjoy about this when I look him up in IMDB is that it says Andre the Giant, Fezick, parenthetical, as Andre the Giant. What?
SPEAKER_02:Well, because they have to clarify, because he has an accent typically over the E in his name, and they did not add that accent in his credit for The Princess Bread. So whenever somebody, like for instance, okay, for a period of time Robin Wright was Robin Wright Penn.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And they have to clarify that in every single credit. So for any project where that person is named differently than what their current name is on IMDB, they have to they have to put that there.
SPEAKER_00:The more you know.
SPEAKER_02:The more you know. So this truly gentle giant who was just perfect for this film.
SPEAKER_00:He was. Yeah, he was I would say a much better option than what was in fact their first option.
SPEAKER_02:And late Amy.
SPEAKER_00:Arnold Schwarzenegger.
SPEAKER_02:There you go. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:They really wanted him. Uh turns out then he became a pretty successful actor in his own right. It would have been way too expensive.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, after Terminator, forget it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So they ended up getting Andre, which I think actually works out way better.
SPEAKER_02:He's really a giant.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So I'm happy.
SPEAKER_00:I believe him as a gentle giant because I think in reality that's probably closer to like who he was.
SPEAKER_02:He really adds to I don't know how to put it, just the sweetness of this film.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:He's he's just so likable. He's so sweet.
SPEAKER_00:I love watching him climb up the uh the cliffs with like three people attached to him, not using his legs at all. Yeah. Amazing.
SPEAKER_02:And I love when the Sicilian's like, he's gaining on us. He's like, yeah, well, I'm carrying three people. And that guy's just on his own. Like, it, I don't know. He's just great. He's great. And actually, it's funny because he has like almost 70 acting credits on IMDb. But that being said, they're virtually all wrestling credits. So they do list them, but I think that's so interesting because they're all from like the what WWE. I used to be into this stuff kind of. But like the WWF and WWE, they all these different Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Well, so he has some credits for video games where his likeness appears, and then also the uh, you know, WWF stuff. So he's in a lot of that, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I don't think this is really like a uh point of contention with anybody anymore. But what I think is interesting about that is that they are listed as acting credits, thus kind of underscoring the fact that wrestling is all fake.
SPEAKER_00:How dare you!
SPEAKER_02:I know I knew that that was Yeah. And but also, like one of the things I was like, oh man, he was in that the greatest American hero he had he was on an episode of.
SPEAKER_00:That's amazing.
SPEAKER_02:And you know what he's credited as?
SPEAKER_00:What?
SPEAKER_02:The monster.
SPEAKER_00:Oh shit.
SPEAKER_02:I know. That's awful. Poor guy.
SPEAKER_00:Oh man.
SPEAKER_02:May you rest in peace, because he also left us too soon. I think he was only about 46 when he passed away. Okay. Billy Crystal.
SPEAKER_00:Miracle Max. We gotta bring up Billy Crystal.
SPEAKER_02:Of course we do. Yeah. I mean, he it's like one of those like he was what in the film for like five minutes, but you can't forget him. He's great.
SPEAKER_00:Why do you think they did on his uh makeup? Because obviously he was much younger then, but when I see him, and now I see him like now, I'm like, hmm.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. I mean, when when we were watching that scene the other night, I was thinking this usually comes to mind when we're watching something like that. I'm like, oh, they must be so uncomfortable with all that makeup on. And I think that perhaps with improvements that have been made and being able to like strike new prints and just like the quality of a television, you're really seeing more than maybe you did like details of the work done than you did 30 years ago. And so, like, I'm thinking both how how uncomfortable that is, but also like, oh, that doesn't look super real.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. I think that's exactly what he looks like right now.
SPEAKER_02:Oh okay, let's talk about this guy's credits. So I don't know if you like this was really before either of our times, but do you remember or have you heard of the show Soap? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah So he was in that, and actually the reason why I wanted to bring that up is because I think that that's a really interesting credit because that show I think came out in like 77, is maybe when it started. So it was like late 70s, early 80s, and he plays a gay man on the show, which I think was probably really rare for that era to have a character who is just openly gay. And and I think that that's pretty amazing that they had that. So he is in soap. He has just like a really bit part in this is Spinal Tap. He's a mime.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. Yeah, yeah. I remember that.
SPEAKER_02:I think Dana Carvey's the other one.
SPEAKER_00:Morty the mime.
SPEAKER_02:Uh he's in Throw Mama from the Train.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, with um they finally threw the Mom from the Goonies. Fratelli. Mom Fratelli.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. When Harry met Sally, of course.
SPEAKER_00:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02:City Slickers. Yep. He was in Analyze This and Analyze That.
SPEAKER_00:I have not seen either of those originals. They're good.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, the first one is like it's it's hard to like really beat the original because I don't ever think that they were like intending to have a sequel. Until the first one did so well.
SPEAKER_00:Did you call that an action or comedy?
SPEAKER_02:I know where you're asking that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Amazon calls it an action, right? It's so weird.
SPEAKER_02:It's really weird. And uh another voice actor, Monsters Inc.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So I think the story behind that is he was given the opportunity to voice uh an animated character. I can't remember what it was, and he declined, and it became like Toy Story or something of that size. And so then when the next opportunity presented itself, he was like, Yeah, I'm definitely doing that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So we can't talk about Miracle Max without talking about Valerie, his wife in the film, who is played by Carol Kane. Again, she has done a ton of work, is a really great comedic actress, but she's also done some serious work. She was in Dog Day Afternoon with uh Chris Randon.
SPEAKER_01:Wow. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So they they had already worked together at that point. But she was in the puppet movie. I uh the puppet movie. What's it? Oh. I'm sorry. Muppet movie. Sorry, we were we weren't watching a show about puppies even earlier, watching a show about kittens, but I still must have like because I'm always wishing there's puppies.
SPEAKER_00:So I just think of her as the uh as the lady from Taxi and the unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Yes. Right? Yeah. That's what I I most identify her as.
SPEAKER_02:Good job. So you just took off the list two of the credits that I was gonna name. She also has the dubious honor of being in Ishtar.
SPEAKER_00:Oof.
SPEAKER_02:But she's also in Scrooge. That's probably where a lot of people know her.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:She's the ghost of Christmas present.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, she kind of flies around and punches them, and there's a lot of slapstick going on. Super slapstick.
SPEAKER_02:And she has a a couple other, well, more than a couple, other TV credits. Uh she was in Gotham. Oh, okay. And Los Espuques.
SPEAKER_00:That show is underrated, I think.
SPEAKER_02:Agreed.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It's actually got a kind of genius about it and how ridiculous it is. And they know it and they're aware of it. I recommend it highly.
SPEAKER_02:It's it's really good.
SPEAKER_00:We should watch more of it.
SPEAKER_02:So there are a great many other actors who are part of this film, namely Peter Cook.
SPEAKER_00:And um so he plays the how do they he's uh he's credited as the impressive clergyman.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00:Uh not to be confused with Peter Falk, of course, as the grandfather.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. So I I just want to give a quick shout out because there are under other individuals such as Peter Cook and Mel Smith, who plays the albino. But um the last two people I'm gonna just kind of do a little bit of a dive into are the characters who play the grandson and the grandfather. So you already mentioned Peter Falk. I think a lot of people, especially of our generation, know him as like an older actor. Yeah. Like I just picture him older, but he had a long career. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. And so just a couple of those, which these are way before our time, but he was uh in a project called Naked City. He was in a project called The Trials of O'Brien.
SPEAKER_01:All right.
SPEAKER_02:Now I know him from The Great Race, that is a fantastic movie. Highly recommend Tony Curtis, Natalie Wood, Jack Lemon. He's in it as well. Super funny.
SPEAKER_00:I know him, and I think everyone knows him in some capacity as Columbo. Correct. Right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And that's the last one I have for him. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:He's uh he is Columbo.
SPEAKER_02:He is Columbo. And his grandson is Fred Savage.
SPEAKER_00:Really?
SPEAKER_02:Well, you know what I In the movie? What I was got it. Try to pick up what I'm putting down here. So, yes, Fred Savage plays the grandson of Peter Falk's character. And I mean, this is a guy that we kind of grew up along with. So literally.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Because of the Wonder Years, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So he's in the Wonder Years uh as an adult. He was in the show working. Uh he was in a show called Crumbs. More recently, he was in a show called Friends from College and also American Dad.
SPEAKER_00:He did something, he was doing something at Fox where a long time ago, before the whole Disney fiasco, I remember walking around at Fox and seeing a uh parking place for Mr. Savage and thinking, wow, that's very cool. Don't know what he did there. Very cool.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Film synopsis.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I always pull it from IMDB and we tear it apart. Usually. Here's what they say. While homesick in bed, a young boy's grandfather reads him the story of a farm boy turned pirate who encounters numerous obstacles, enemies, and allies, and his quest to be reunited with his true love.
SPEAKER_00:Alright. I'm gonna say that that's pretty good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it is pretty good. Yeah, because there's so much to this film to try to wrap it up in like a one-sentence synopsis is a very sometimes it's successful uh and sometimes it's ET.
SPEAKER_00:But in this case, I think the synopsis is uh much more successful.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think that for somebody who doesn't know anything about the film, which if you haven't seen The Princess Bride, please stop this podcast and go watch it.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, wait until you finish the podcast, maybe, and then go watch it, but watch it.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, sure. Or you can just like pause the podcast and then go watch it and come back to it so that you know what we're talking about, which I'd be shocked if anybody has stayed with us this long, not knowing anything about what this movie's about.
SPEAKER_00:That's a good point.
SPEAKER_02:So yeah, they did a good job. We uh normally talk about montages in the different films that we cover. Do we? It is We do. We do. Because it's called 80s movie montage. This movie does not have any montages.
SPEAKER_00:I don't think it even comes close. No, no, there's there's nothing that we can even try to like finagle into it yet.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, to kind of like be like, well, kinda.
SPEAKER_00:It's such a great 80s movie, there's no way we're not gonna talk about it.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:Montage be damned.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Which was the alternate title of this podcast, Montage Be Damned.
SPEAKER_02:Was it though?
SPEAKER_00:No, let's move on.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I I want to give enough time for our chat with Alexa. So, I mean, we already talk with her, because you and I normally do this where we talk about like how we came across this film, how we first remember it. So that that's all covered. So don't you worry, all our couple people listening to us out there.
SPEAKER_01:We're gonna cover this movie in depth.
SPEAKER_02:But I do want to say um just a couple well, okay, as far as like fun facts go.
SPEAKER_00:Twenty more facts laid on me.
SPEAKER_02:No, we we actually already kind of covered some of these things. Did we really? Well, mostly with Alexa, actually. So like we talk about the sword fighting. Yeah. So so spoiler. We're gonna talk about I mean this is something that's like really cool and and good on both Elways and Patank uh Patinkin for being up to the challenge because they do all of their own fencing in in the film. So that's that's not an easy thing to do. I mean, people trained for years to be an adequate fencer.
SPEAKER_00:So that's insanely impressive.
SPEAKER_02:And if uh I mention it too a little bit later on, if you guys are really, you know, huge fans of this film, which just like us, you know, you want to know more about it. There is a really great book that Lways put out called As You Wish. And it's basically just his experience of working on this film and and the friendships that he created with everybody and the memories that he wants to share with fans. It's it's a really great read. It's a really quick read. Yeah. And also he gets little quotes from other people involved with the film, so you even get like the perspectives of the other uh actors and filmmakers for that matter. So I highly recommend. And he talks at great length about how much of a challenge it was to pick up those fencing skills, but he never once complains. I mean, it's not that he didn't want to do it, it's just that it's incredibly difficult. There's so much to be thinking about. So I think that that's awesome. Yeah that they did that.
SPEAKER_00:I I do have one other piece of trivia before we discuss this.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, cool.
SPEAKER_00:We've talked about Arnold Schwarzenegger and how he was possibly a pick for to play the role of Fezig.
SPEAKER_02:I think I know what you're gonna talk about.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there was one other person interested in the role.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I'll let you uh I'll let you move on with this. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Walt Chamberlain. Oh no! No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm wrong. You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking of a pitcher that has um Arnold Schwarzenegger with Walt Chamberlain and other people.
SPEAKER_00:Probably from uh Conan. Well, they Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I know um Kreem Abdul Jabbar.
SPEAKER_00:Really?
SPEAKER_02:Well, who are you talking about?
SPEAKER_00:Liam Neeson had revealed in 2007 that he actually auditioned for Fezic and then draw uh Rob Reiner 64. Yeah, yeah. He's like, nah. Well, can you imagine Liam Neeson as the uh giant? That would have been amazing.
SPEAKER_02:That would have been ridiculous. Uh I feel like I'm right about one of those two other guys.
SPEAKER_00:I think so too. Uh like I'm willing to say he's a few.
SPEAKER_02:But I I'm not gonna I'm not gonna die on that hill because I don't know why it's like bouncing around in my head. So I feel like there's must be some validity to it, but I'm not sure. I will say this much though. So gotta give props to my hometown. William Goldman was born in Illinois, and even though it is never mentioned by name in the movie, you could probably tell that the grandson and grandfather live in the Chicago area because he's wearing a bears jersey and all that good stuff. And it is mentioned in the screenplay, actually, that they live in Evanston. So Evanston is a town just north of Chicago. And that kind of uh just gives further credence to that's why the Cubs Penn it and all that good Chicago stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:I'm from Chicago in case anybody didn't know that.
SPEAKER_00:It's a great place.
SPEAKER_02:It's a great place. All right, so I think that's actually about it. We should uh we should talk to Alexa.
SPEAKER_00:Let's do it.
SPEAKER_02:All right. And so I am so pleased to welcome to the show Alexa Borden. She is a film and theater composer. Also, like me, she happens to be a Columbia College graduate. She went there for grad school. And on top of everything else, I am incredibly honored because her and her composing partner, Connor, were the two that composed the score for my short film, She Had It Coming. So welcome, Alexa. Thank you. I am so excited to talk about this movie. Yay! That's exactly what we want.
SPEAKER_00:This is off to a good start.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, this is we nail batting ourselves already. So thank you for being on the show. Uh we love that you love the princess bride because that also happens to be one of our this was okay. So this was technically my pick.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um, Derek and I trade off with the picks, but we both love this movie. We even had As You Wish on the top. It was that was our wedding cake topper.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, the only, the only the only real conversation was was trying to figure out whose pick it was going to be. Yeah. Like it was always going to be someone, so who gets it?
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. So love to have another lover of this film on the show. And usually like what I do with our guests is I like to ask about kind of like first impressions that they had of the film. So do you have in particular any first memories of like when you first saw the film, how old you might have been, and what you thought of it?
SPEAKER_03:Actually, yes. Um I have a very specific memory of when I first saw this movie. And it was um my my little brother and I were staying over at my grandmother's house. I think I was around like 10 or 11. And we rented it on VHS because it looked good. We've never heard of it before.
SPEAKER_02:Um we were just like like the cover of the of the box looked good to you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and we read the back. We're like, this sounds like it's gonna be a fun movie to watch. Um, so we rented it um from Blockbuster when that existed, and we went over and watched it at her house, and we just were enthralled by it, like completely, and we loved it so much that as soon as the credits finished, we we rewound it and watched it again. And it was just we were blown away by it, and it's kind of been a huge part of my life ever since. Um, I tend to watch it like at least once a week once a year, and sometimes more on it more on accident. Like it's one of those things where if it's on, I'm gonna watch it. Totally.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:How about you guys? It's great.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's a great question because I think of most of the films that we've covered so far, I had um maybe not necessarily like concrete memories, but I knew that I had seen it in childhood. And this one, I don't think it really connected with me until I was older. Like what my first memories of like really I think I probably saw the film earlier, but my first memories of like really loving this film and and I think being able to appreciate it were actually in college because it was one of those films that people were playing in their like like in dorms all the time. And and so and this was pre- so like I had transferred out of a different school to go to Columbia College. And so, because Columbia College, I never did any uh any of the dorm there because I was from Chicago. Um, but at my previous school, yeah, dorm life, everybody had it on.
SPEAKER_00:So that's I don't uh same here for a lot of the movies that we've covered so far. I I do have kind of like the singular memory, like ET, I I literally remember going to the theater with my dad to see it. But Princess Bride is a movie that I've seen so many times, and I'll also like whenever it's on, I'll just leave it on. But I don't like I have I know I I probably watched it when I was in high school because I remember saying have fun storming the castle like all the time. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Like I remember all the quotes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That's how I know that I had seen it earlier because I was already familiar with all the many lines that I mean, like that that's another thing I was thinking about because we always do a rewatch of the show prior to of the show, of the film prior to doing the show. And so we were watching it last night, and I was thinking that like again, of all the films we've done so far, this one might be the most quotable.
SPEAKER_00:It really is. It's insane. And I mean, there there are way more mask quotes, mask comments about wearing masks than I would have ever imagined in an 80s movie.
SPEAKER_02:Did you have a chance to rewatch and this is this is not a trap question, but did you have a the chance to rewatch it before us talking right now?
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah, actually, it was uh about two weeks ago. My my husband Dan was just like, I'm in the mood to watch this movie. We have the uh really nice criterion copy because we love it so much. And so we just popped it in and watched it um just on a whim. And yeah, it is so so ridiculously quotable.
SPEAKER_02:Um did you notice, given you know, current current state of the world, the couple mask references?
SPEAKER_03:Um I didn't notice the mask references, but what what which ones were they?
SPEAKER_02:There's one where so I think are they both when they're sword fighting?
SPEAKER_00:I think so. There's one about like never trust a man wearing a mask.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yes, yes. Yes. So there and then so Derek and I start chuckling at that one. And then just a couple minutes later, uh oh, I think it's like Andre the Giant. I think that that's when the like the next challenge after he gets past Inigo. And uh I think it was kind of the same thing where Andre the Giant's like, why are you wearing a mask? And uh Wesley's like, oh, I think they're gonna become really big and everybody's gonna want to wear one. I was like, wow.
SPEAKER_00:That was that was the big one where I'm like, what's crazy?
SPEAKER_03:Mary aged aged really well, right?
SPEAKER_02:Um you know, one thing that you mentioned when you were talking about your first memory of seeing the film. Actually, I I had uh two questions. The first was you mentioned your little brother. How old was he when you so you said you were about 10. How old was he, would you think?
SPEAKER_03:He was about he was seven, probably.
SPEAKER_02:We're three minutes, yeah. Oh, okay. And as a young boy, who probably was really close to the age of the character of the grandson.
SPEAKER_00:The grandson.
SPEAKER_02:Uh Fred, everybody, Fred Savage.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um, did he he was just as into it as you were?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean, I I I feel like as a as a as a boy, I mean, who who doesn't want to be a Wesley character? Like that's just the swashbuckling, he's a pirate. Like, there's there's all this like do anything. Yeah, he's awesome. Like, that's isn't that like a a young boy's dream is to be that when he gets older? I love hearing that.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, that's cool. I was just curious, as like a young child, how he would relate to it. Did he have um any similar reactions to the more romantic storyline, the way that the grandson did?
SPEAKER_03:Uh, I don't recall him. Like I don't recall my brother ever shying away from that type of stuff, which is great. Um mature little guy. Oh, yeah, he was. He was. He was like, he was great. He was a great brother. Um, he is a great brother.
SPEAKER_02:He's like, oh, oh it's hard.
SPEAKER_03:Everything's fine. Everybody calm down.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, good. Yeah. Thank you for affirming that.
SPEAKER_03:Um yeah, so no, I I always remembered both of us just really enjoying because it has something for everyone. You know, it's it's super, it's really exciting. Um, it's got romance, it's really funny. Um it's just a great adventure. It it so I remember both of us just loving it.
SPEAKER_02:That is one thing, so kind of related to something you said earlier and what you just mentioned, as far as it having something for everyone. And then also you mentioning it that, or mentioning that you had come across the film at Blockbuster. So that's something that I had learned that I I wasn't aware of until I kind of um started researching the film a little bit. And just like a month or two ago, did you know that um Carrie Always wrote a book called As You Wish? Yes. I have to. Did you read it yet? No, not yet. Oh my gosh, I'll let you borrow it. It's so good. Yes, please. Yeah, it's it's so good. And he talks at length about how, you know, they were so excited to make this film, but that the powers that be didn't really know how to market it because it has kind of everything.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And and so, you know, sometimes it's easier with a film to be like, oh, this is a horror film, or this is a um biopic or biopic, or however you say, like, to say that.
SPEAKER_00:Um it's a kid's fairy tale.
SPEAKER_02:It is a kid's fairy tale.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, and it's really reflected in like the all the sets and the effects. Some of them are are good, but for the most part, it's like there's like this intentional, like, it looks kind of fake because it's a kid's fairy tale. It's like this book kind of coming to life as it's being read to the grandson, so it's not supposed to look like Game of Thrones. It's just meant to, you know, like their costumes and everything. It's like, okay.
SPEAKER_02:The art direction's beautiful, I think. I think it's done really well. Oh, but that is how most people uh came to love the film, kind of exactly in the way that you did, is that it became really popular once it went to video. And so it never really had much of a theatrical run. And everybody involved was like, well, that was a great experience, but I guess it's just not gonna be one of those hits. And it's amazing. Um, so what, it's 32, 33 years old at this point, because it was 87. Um and it's it's just beloved. Like it's it's crazy the turnaround.
SPEAKER_00:I've honestly never met or talked to anyone who's like, oh yeah, that movie, I don't like it.
SPEAKER_03:It's okay. Yeah, who doesn't like it? Like if if somebody doesn't like this movie, there is something seriously wrong with that person.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I I agree with you.
SPEAKER_00:I bet our president hates it.
SPEAKER_03:I'll bet, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I've never seen it. I I you know what I agree with you. Yeah, I think that's probably not even on his radar, which just further I mean, I know we can go down a whole rabbit hole, but uh further speaks to his lack of humanity. Um, but actually that so okay, I love that you have this like really clear idea or clear memory of how you first responded to the film. And now as an adult, and given that you like kind of have your yearly at least um anniversary with it, like has your take on the film changed? Do you feel like you catch anything that you didn't catch when you were a kid? Or do you feel like because that first memory of it was so cemented with you, uh for you it's just kind of this like same kind of nostalgia type feeling when you watch it?
SPEAKER_03:I you know that's a really good question. I it's so funny with this movie in particular because I always go into it expecting to be less enchanted by it because I'm older and I'm never I'm never less enchanted by it. Like there's always things in the film that I find that I love, and it's just all the funny parts, like you get especially like Miracle Max and Valerie, like I still laugh and like it's just it's genuinely it holds up as an adult. And I don't know, I don't know for sure if it's just nostalgia talking, but it it really just it really holds up for me. Um there are things that I notice as an adult that I didn't catch as a kid or appreciate as much, um, and things that I notice as somebody who is involved in films now as an adult that I appreciate even more, like how well it's paced and how effortlessly it combines all these different genres in itself. Um and just like this very fine line it walks between being like almost a satirical or parody type of film, but at the same time is so sincere in its own story, and all these little things that as a child I was not in tune to at all. But now as an adult, I'm like, wow, this is a really magical piece of filmmaking, you know.
SPEAKER_02:I I love what yeah, I agree with everything that you just said, and I think the one thing that really resonated is that it's so sincere and so earnest in its message, and I think that maybe in part that's the reason why it holds up so well because people are drawn to that, I think. Um there's there's enough cynicism and um and films that try to be really clever and um just anything of that nature. So when you come across something that kind of has like I I don't mean to sound like cheesy about the whole thing, but like that has kind of just like a pure heart to it.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yeah, I think there are are several movies that we've watched so far for this podcast where when we're talking about how it's aged and and whether or not it holds up, it's pretty common for there to be some like problematic parts of the movie. I mean, it on one end of that extreme, I suppose would be Heather's that probably couldn't even be made today with the subject matter that it covers. But I think the Princess Bride, as much as any of them, it it holds up so well in part because there's really nothing about it that when I'm watching, I I feel like it all holds up pretty well. Like the messages, the themes are all things that that still hold up really well now in 2020. Like it's a rare err for me to like be watching the movie and find a part and go, oh.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Right. And I, you know, I think that obviously the love story, it you know, true love and and just the earnestness of that. But actually, I think that for me, uh don't get me wrong, I always love a good romance, but um, the other part of it that I really love is this, although it's kind of wrapped up in this idea of revenge, with indigo just loving his father so much, missing his father so much, and having this mission to avenge him, actually to me is touching. I know that sounds weird, but uh you could just see that through throughout his storyline, just how much he's still grieving over that. And to me, that's also like a really earnest part of the film. Like I think you could really feel that emotion. So I think that overall, even for the parts that are much more lighthearted, the actors, I think when you respect the material, then you you uh you kind of have um uh more investment in it, and I think he did a great job. It could it could have been really like really silly, and I think that actually it's very touching his his story. That's just me. That's just me.
SPEAKER_00:It it goes, I mean, there are silly moments, but when you know, like you first get the sense of just how important that relationship was when he is trying to get uh the dread pirate Roberts to get up that cliff faster. Yeah, and he's like, Is there anything I can say? And he's like, I swear on the yeah, yeah, and he's like, Give me the rope.
SPEAKER_02:Right, yeah. So, right from that point, we're like, Oh, okay, this is this is and when he's first telling Wesley about what happened to his dad, you know? And so even though he's supposed to be kind of this uh bandit figure, you immediately side with him, and like our aunt you you want him to to get that vengeance.
SPEAKER_00:Well, according to the Sicilian um he this apparently had led him to just being a drunk.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That's that's how he was found, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Until he he was given a purpose that it kind of allowed him to I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:To go towards his greater goal. Yeah. Yeah. So, Alexa. The one thing I've been like chomping at the bit to ask you about is the music in this film. Okay. And it yay! It um it came up again last night when we were watching it, because uh I I I'm I I'm embarrassed because like I'm probably just like not gonna get the the terminology crack. But there is this one refrain, I don't know if that's right, that you hear throughout the film.
SPEAKER_00:They get a lot of mileage out of it. They get a lot out of it. I think my quote last night, like, oh yeah, I'm I'm hearing this again. I like it.
SPEAKER_02:And so I I'm gonna start just like super simple with how do you feel the score enhanced or detracted if you feel that way from the overall story. Oh, I gosh.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, yes. Um you can tell I'm very excited about this. Um good. Yeah, so the um the score was done by Mark Knopfler, uh, who most people probably know from dire straits. He's a lead guitarist. Um that's amazing. Yeah. I was shocked to find that out.
SPEAKER_00:I just found it out right now. Just now.
SPEAKER_03:Um yeah, so he did like I think nine, nine films. Uh, and other than that, he just did all of his amazing rock music. But um, this was one of the nine films he did. And uh yeah, I think he does a fantastic job with the theme and getting all that mileage out of it. Um, and I think I think it enhances the movie. I think it's perfect um for this film. Because uh in the same way, like you can see the edges around the film, right? So like you you know that the R O U S are like obviously that's a person in a mouse. And I feel like we said those very words last night. I I feel like the score works the same way in this film, in that like you you kind of hear like a little bit of synthetic material in there, um, but it very much uses this like thematic material that's very much like a fairy tale. So it's working the same way as everything else in the film where it's super sincere, but you can it kind of winks at you at the same time. Like I just I love that. I love that about this score.
SPEAKER_02:And so what I'm curious about is given that you know he was or is um uh a rock guy, and that was kind of what his role was for the most part. What and I know I'm kind of this is a big ask of you because you can't I can't ask you to go inside either head, but when Rob Reiner approached him about doing the film, like what why do you think ro Rob Reiner asked him, and why do you think he would have been drawn to this kind of story given that his world was kind of you know, far apart from this like kind of fairy tale type um piece? That's a really good question. And I don't the only I'm asking you to talk on behalf of all people of Lived in Music.
SPEAKER_03:I I do know why Mark Knopfler agreed to do the score, but I don't know. Um, I mean, besides if you read the script or see this film, I don't know how you couldn't fall in love with it. That's true. But uh I I know that specifically he said yes uh to the score because um when Rob Reiner approached him, Mark Knopfler said, I will do the score if the hat from This Is Spinal Tap, because he was a big fan of that movie that Rob Reiner had done, uh, he's like, if that hat from this movie is in The Princess Bride, I'll do the score. Um and that hat from Spinal Tap is actually in the grandson's bedroom. You can see it at the beginning of the film. Um I love that so much.
SPEAKER_02:That's awesome. I and and that actually, so that acceptance of taking this on makes a lot of sense to me because I could see why, as um, somebody in the rock world, like I I'm not in the I I am as far as you can get from being in the rock world, and I adore this is Spinal Tap. That is again one of my top we will definitely do that film at some point. Um so that makes sense that somebody in that world would would kind of be maybe more inclined to do this because it's the same director and the the whole bit. Yeah. So that's a that's a great story. I love that story. Isn't that fun? That's really fun. I love that. And I I feel like you probably noticed too in the so this is okay, this is a very selfish little thing to bring up.
SPEAKER_01:Perfect.
SPEAKER_02:But uh, but in the grandson's room, all the bears, or like Chicago, I should say, paraphernalia. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And a uh Empire Strikes Back collectible tumble or glass or there was so much fun stuff.
SPEAKER_02:There was a lot of stuff, yeah. So much fun stuff in in his room, like besides all like the Bears jersey that he's wearing, and I saw like the refrigerator Perry poster, and he has a Cubs uh pennant. Um I think just because we were watching, are you familiar with uh The Toys That Made Us on Netflix? I love that series so much.
SPEAKER_00:There's a He-Man in there, too, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yes, that's exactly what I brought that up. There's a He-Man. Um, I thought that it was interesting because you also see uh uh Captain America back behind him as well. So at least I thought it was Captain America. I'm not I am not the Marvel, but I felt pretty certain that was. Um so yeah, there's so much fun stuff in his room. Uh and that that's a fun little Easter egg, uh, the hat from Spinal Tap. Um, okay, okay. And I uh I agree with you. Like the one thing that I'll say about the score, and it's related to like uh the last episode we did, because obviously with E.T., John Williams, and you know, the guests that we had, as well as Derek and I, love the guy. And so we talked we talked at length about the way that his music uh have enhanced these films that have become just loved. And I would say honestly the same for this film. And I think that that's uh a a huge accomplishment where you can hear that one refrain and you know exactly the film that it is part of. Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and I I don't think I I mean I mentioned how the like the the setting and there's kind of like this cheesiness or coriness to some of the effects and and the way they have the the production set up, but the music fits that because if there was this grand orchestral piece, it just wouldn't have fit.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:So like it's it's the perfect accompaniment to the rest of the movie, so that it like one's not taking you away from the other, it just fits together really well.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I agree with that. So, okay. You're a woman, Alexa.
unknown:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:And what I'm I'm pivoting a little bit, but I am curious. So it's called The Princess Bride. The one woman who's prominently featured in it is Robin Wright. I know there are, you know, we have Buttercup.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I know we have Valerie, but other than her and Valerie, we have to uh the queen, the old lady who throws garbage at her.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's true. Okay, so basically the point I'm trying to get to is that we have this incredible ensemble cast, and this isn't I'm not I'm not going into like um you know casting more women and that sort of thing. But what I do think is really interesting about Wright's character is she essentially plays the straight man.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:And so yeah, please go ahead.
SPEAKER_03:I'm sorry. Oh, that's okay, all good. Um, it's like uh Buttercup is in a different movie than everybody else.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, so I totally agree with you. And what I think is so interesting is I mean, I'm trying to even think of something that they give to her in the way of like overt comedy. I mean, every she takes everything in the film so sincerely.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:The only I guess the closest is when she just decides of her own accord, like, I'm just gonna jump from this like castle onto Andre the Giant. That's like the closest she gets to just like letting go of that seriousness. She just like I'm just gonna float away through the air and land in Andre the Giant and credits.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. She's all about she's kind of got a trend in this film of just like throwing herself out into the open.
SPEAKER_02:And she brings it up a lot too. Like when she's not actually doing it, she's talking about it. Right. So I I was curious your thoughts on uh okay. Well, you cut you kind of alluded to it already that she's in a different kind of film than the rest of them. And I'm curious as far as like the way that this film has aged over the years and it being more and more beloved. Where does she fall with the other characters? Because she doesn't really get the humor, and that's usually what helps you kind of like, you know, you love Miracle Max because he's this funny wacky guy.
SPEAKER_00:And I love that he wasn't gonna let him in and they're like, he's already dead, really? Bring him in.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. Like thinking maybe this will be easy money or something, you know. Everything Miracle Max is gold. Right, exactly. And so, you know, do you think that I mean, I personally I think that Robin did uh an amazing job. Um, except she was only like about 20. It was like really Yeah, she was young. She was so young. I think she was already doing uh a soap opera at the time, but she was still a very just young actress who hadn't had a ton of experience. I mean, obviously she's gone on to do long before herself.
SPEAKER_00:Well, the Amazons and Wonder Woman.
SPEAKER_02:Or before she was Jenny and went through multiple generations of living through the America in Forrest Gump. And she's in House of Cards and Blade Ralph. House of Cards. Yeah. Yeah. So she's a fantastic actress, and I think she had a particularly difficult job in this film because she carries the weight of a lot of the emotion. Because she never she never breaks from like the grief. And then what and even when she knows that Wesley's alive, then it's like, well, he's gonna come get me, and she's like, you know, without her.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, everything else has like this silly um, you know, aspect of it, but she really grounds the the love story part of it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Because like everyone else can kind of like joke around, but she's like straight up gonna plunge a knife into her chest. Right. Because like it's really real to me, okay, everyone.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. That no, and that's what I'm trying to get at. So I mean, how how do you respond to her character both being really the only significant female character in the film and also not getting to do any of the like arguably quote fun stuff that the other characters get to do?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I think I I give her a like all the credit for grounding the like the sincerity in the film is kind of due to her. Like just that's all on her shoulders. Um, because every everybody else kind of has like they're they're all playing, like I said, they're in this like almost satirical story, and she's just the one who because she's there, we are allowed these other moments of sincerity, like with um an ego when he kills the six-fingered man. That moment doesn't feel like it comes out of nowhere um in on in terms of sincerity, because we have Buttercup there the entire time being sincere. Um, so I give I give Buttercup credit for that. And um, I I know I've heard people complain or or mention that um Buttercup is like a just a damsel in distress and she doesn't really do anything. Um I disagree.
SPEAKER_00:I would too.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, me too. Um, because uh I I feel like we have all these moments of her being like bold and defiant, like when she talks back to the scene on the ship. Um, what the way she tells Humperting, she's like, hey, um, screw you. Like basically. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I love his response of just repeatedly saying, You should not say these. What does he say? You should not say these things.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he he he's I mean, uh again, like I think the casting of this film, and we can we can go into that. I think the it was perfect casting.
SPEAKER_00:I would not say such things if I were you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yes. Good good job. Good job. Um, and yeah, I totally I totally agree with you that some of those other more poignant moments in the film would maybe feel really out of place if not for her performance throughout the entirety of the film. Yeah. Yeah. So you had mentioned uh like when in your explanation, we I'm basically pivoting over to the six-fingered man. Um that guy. That guy. That guy. Played, yeah, played by Christopher Guest. Are you familiar? Okay, so he he plays Nigel in This Is Spinal Tap. And then he went on to do a ton of fantastic mockumentaries that I just adored.
SPEAKER_00:Are you including a few good men? Wait.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's that actually you're kind of bringing up what I was gonna get to. So are you first of all, I was curious. Like, have you followed any of like his work since with like those mo are you into those at all?
SPEAKER_03:Um the mockumentaries I haven't seen too much of. I've of course I've seen this as Spinal Tap. I also know he's in uh he's like the uh uh somebody in Little Shop of Horrors, which I also love. I think he's one of the first customers that comes in. Um like a little cameo role, which of course. But um, yeah, what about the the other mockumentaries I haven't seen?
SPEAKER_02:Well, here's the thing. First of all, if you ever, if you have any time, um, I do highly recommend them. They're all really I think probably of them, my favorite is Best and Show because I love dogs. Yeah. So that one is hilarious. But here's the here's the thing is that don't get me wrong, like I love this movie, and maybe it's because he does such a good job, but it like twists my insides to see him in this role. I don't know how to explain it because especially like so you've you've at least seen like this is spinal tap. So you have seen him when he's this just like I mean, he he is he's kind of this doofus, but he's not evil. He's not evil, and and he's so funny. And and again, with all those mockumentaries that he went on to do, he you know, not only directed them and like co either wrote or co-wrote uh them, but he he typically stars in them, and he always has like a really funny, interesting, quirky character to play. And here in this one, he is just so pure evil, he has no moment of redemption. The one moment No moment of redemption.
SPEAKER_00:The one moment that is is not a redemptive moment, but a moment that's probably the most fun moment with him, which is also gonna be strange. But when Humperdink runs into like the torture area and raises that thing up to 50 years, and he's like, No, don't. Yeah, and then and then it starts and he like lifts this eyebrow, like, oh, yeah, I'm totally into this.
SPEAKER_02:And and when he's talking to Indigo or Indigo, Indigo, and you know, is saying, like, oh, you're that little Spanish brat that I taught a lesson to, and he's like, Oh, and now you're trying to kill me, and I'm you know, and he's like, I can't think of anything sadder than like he is so gross. Let's discuss he is so gross, and it is, yeah, he is, and so like I know he does this like great job in the film, but that and so Derek, I have you seen a few good men Alexa? Uh, I have not. It is on my watch list. Another great film, another Rob Reiner film, and yeah, it is. Yeah, so he has he has quite quite he has a lot of range. Um, but uh Christopher Guest has just like this bit part, and he plays like a uh military doctor. And again, he plays it straight, and he does really well in these straight roles, but it it like breaks this illusion that I had. I don't know if I'm the only one because I you know have seen his other work, but he is so he it's genius to see him when he is doing these mockumentaries, like his role as Nigel is just one of my favorite characters. And so even though I know he adds so much to this film, it like I said, it twists my insides to see somebody that I love doing this role. I know it's just an acting role.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but he's okay, he's not that mean.
SPEAKER_02:So, no, he is that mean.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, not in real life. Oh, okay, well, he's totally that mean.
SPEAKER_02:So so I guess my question, so I already kind of vented out my this emotional turmoil that I have with this character, but uh with it being a fairy tale and is meant it's meant for children, I would say. It's meant for kids.
SPEAKER_00:I would say this is an all-ages movie.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. Do you think that is, yeah? Yeah, I do too. Do you think that where he fell on this scale of being the bad guy is just right for the film? Or do you think that it didn't go far enough or it went too far? Because he he really doesn't have any redemptive qualities, and there's a lot of, you know, like he's like documenting people's torture.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, he does do that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So I'm throwing it to you, Alexa. What do you think?
SPEAKER_03:Oh no, that's I've you know, I've never thought of like I've never questioned it. Um I was just because we I mean, what are the bad? We have a couple of bad guys in this movie. So we've got like Humperdink, we have Count Rugen, and what Pisini, I guess, uh Counts.
SPEAKER_00:Um super genius villain.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god, yes. I love it. Um yeah, I don't know. I've never questioned like if he was out of place for me or or if he didn't go far enough or if we went too far. And I I guess that's because like everything, like I don't I don't question much about this movie because everything just kind of works for me. Which is fair, yeah, totally fair.
SPEAKER_00:I I think if like he had kind of this deadpan delivery to a lot of it, and he was kind of like evil but emotionally detached and kind of like a sociopath in the way of the.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he is that's my point, you know.
SPEAKER_00:But if he had been like if he had been anything more than that, he's not really like he is he is a bad guy, but Humperdink is kind of the bad guy for the main story with respect to Wesley and Buttercup. And so it I don't know if it would have like surpassed that like their story. So for him like kind of being like this basically like a weirdo that was also a sociopath that um that in Iniguo? In I can only say his name the way he does, Inigio Matoya. For him to like dispatch that they could finish the rest of the movie, uh like Well, okay, so then I'll throw this question to both of you.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I I agree that uh both Humperdink and the Sicilian are also arguably black bad guys in the film. But do you think that they come across as strongly as that? Because I mean Humperdink is is actually quite a fair bit of the time made to look like just a a doofus character.
SPEAKER_00:He's he's an idiot, but an expert cracker.
SPEAKER_02:And then same thing with the Sicilian, he he's not a great guy, but he's hilarious.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And so I think that that really undercuts you looking at them as like evil guys. Or is that just me? Do you not see it that way?
SPEAKER_00:Well, again, I think it's a kid's fairy tale that's being told. So even the bad guys aren't like gonna be pure evil. Chris like the count is probably the closest they get to that. But they even soften the edges up a little bit with him with like silly little moments, you know.
SPEAKER_02:When he runs away.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That's true. That is the one that is the one lighthearted moment of his character, I would say. Not not that he intended it to be that way.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, he's not he's not slapstick, really, but he's he's got a couple moments where like that was probably difficult to balance someone whose like passion is to torture humans.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Like to include that into what's like a kid's fairy tale, but I think they did a pretty good job with it.
SPEAKER_02:So Alexa, so I'm I'm like with my finger pointing to to you right now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:If you if if you had a pick of of the characters that we've kind of talked about, like who do you see as the main villain in the film?
SPEAKER_03:Uh I I think the main ooh, that's that's it's hard because I my immediate response would be Count Rugan's probably the main villain, but you have Humperdink who's telling him what to do. So it's just like it's it's interesting. The villains in this, in the way that it's kind of a fairy tale, you kind of get the lessons from each of them. Like with Humperdink, it's don't be a coward or a jerk. And with Vicini, it's don't assume you know everything or you're smarter than the smartest person in the room. Like just just don't like be humble. Uh the lesson with Vassini is more like be humble, right? And yeah, humility. With Count Rugen, it's just don't be a sociopath and torture people. Don't be a psycho, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Cautionary tale.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. It's like the differences between the three of them. Like between be humble and don't be a crazy psycho. Like these are not equal things. Okay. Well, I I feel like I I know I have like a weird response. That's the that's honestly the only part of the film. And I again, I'm not saying that it wasn't perfect casting. I'm not saying that he didn't do an amazing job. It is just so hard for me to see him in that role.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, that role reminds me of other movies that were ostensibly kids' movies where there was stuff where like this is kind of intense for Dark Crystal. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So if if they if there can exist the Dark Crystal or The Secret of Nym has some kind of terrifying moments for an animated animated thing. But still, there's some nightmare-inducing things in there for a kid.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Um, then then sure, we can have a torture device that takes 50 years off you.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, fair.
SPEAKER_00:Why not?
SPEAKER_02:Sure. So speaking of fairy tales.
SPEAKER_00:Why did he even have 50 years? Why did he even have that if he's never gonna use it? That's something, you know, I mean that's Was that like the spinal tap version of crank into 11?
SPEAKER_02:Yes. I was just gonna ask like maybe that's like his thing in each movie.
SPEAKER_03:So I have to ask you guys, uh, so um Anna, you said like like you're kind of one hang up is like how Count Rugen is, right? Um so I have I'm I'm wondering if you guys noticed this on the last watch through. My one area of this movie where I always get caught up and I'm like, uh, is the scene where they're getting attacked by the R U S in the fire swamp and Wesley is getting attacked, and Buttercup just stands there for like three minutes. Right? It's like the one that's it's problematic for me because like up until that point, she just acts and it's out of character for her to just kind of stand there and look at it. And I don't know if it's like an editing thing or if it was like a choice. Yeah, go.
SPEAKER_02:You bring up such a good um damn. Yeah. You I maybe I've like swept that to the like russes rhesses, russes.
SPEAKER_00:I was just focused on the um rats of unusual size and I didn't even notice. I was caught up in the in the struggle and didn't even realize this.
SPEAKER_02:No, I I I definitely notice and or noticed, and it it bums me out, is the short answer. Um because I agree with you, like when we were speaking earlier about you refuting the statement that she is just like a damsel in distress. I I don't agree either. I mean, so many times she has shown bravery and courage and agency when she jumps from the ship, when she still thinks he's dread pirate Roberts, and she pushes Wesley down the hill and then throws herself after him. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it was like one of those cheese wheel contests where they're just throwing themselves down trying to catch the cheese.
SPEAKER_02:And I wanna, I'm gonna put a little pin in that because that's gonna bring up my one thing about the film that I have an issue with. But to your question, yeah, I I agree with you. It uh seems out of character for her, and I I guess it could, you know, I don't know, it's still like a function of the time, late 80s.
SPEAKER_00:I'll explain it this way, and I'm not necessarily trying to come up with a explanation for the movie, but it's the dread pirate Roberts, and like even if that was me standing next to him, I'd be like, he's the dread pirate Robert. He got this. He doesn't need my help. I'm probably just gonna get in the way. I'm just gonna hang out here and wait till he's done, because again, he can handle anything.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, that is you being very optimistic.
SPEAKER_00:That's me being very gracious, very gracious to them.
SPEAKER_02:And I can appreciate that. I mean, here's the thing. I remember the first time seeing that scene, and she like grabs a like a sizable stick, you know, trunk kind of a tree. And I think, okay, good, she's gonna go to town on this thing. And she like kind of pokes at it, but then nothing, yeah, and like nothing ever really comes of it. And and I was just like, what are you doing? I don't know. I yes, I completely agree with you. That scene really bothers me.
SPEAKER_00:She's only willing to use a sword or dagger on herself, apparently.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I I'm really glad. I really get bothered too. And I'm glad you brought that up because I think I think it is okay, as much as a film might be beloved, to discuss elements that should have a little bit of light shed on them.
SPEAKER_00:I was I was kind of uncomfortable with the fact that I couldn't think of anything that that bothered me in this way. And so now I feel a little bit better.
SPEAKER_02:And I'll say this much. So, Derek, you know, he he's giving a lot of grace around this idea of what she thought dread pirate Roberts could handle.
SPEAKER_00:Completely fabricated that. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Oh no, I know you did. It was impressive on the spot. I know, I know you you were on the fly with that one. Here's here's where I'm going to give a little bit of an optimistic take. I think that of the people involved in the film, Reiner, the actors, the editor who cut that footage, everybody involved. I don't think anybody intentionally put that scene together to try to make Buttercup look like the damsel in distress. I don't I don't think it was intentional. I think that it probably still was a function of the time. And I know it's a fairy tale, so it's supposed to be kind of this timeless quality to everything, but it was a film made in 1987.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I do think that it was just a little bit more about what was status quo at the time.
SPEAKER_00:I bet they didn't even think about it. They were focused on the random of unusual size in Wesley, and they didn't even think about it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So, you know, it's it's not to excuse away the way that that scene comes across per se, but I don't think that anything was done with like malicious intent to make her look like she can't handle herself.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, I totally agree. It's I I never get like mad at it, but every single time I'm watching it, I'm just like, hit it, hit the rat, hit the rat. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Just hit the rat. I don't, man, I can't tell you now at this point, because having seen the film multiple times, every time I'm thinking that that exact that's the same internal dialogue that I'm having. Like, do something already. I and I because that's that is in general one of my big pet peeves. And I don't thankfully, I don't think you see it as much anymore. Although I'm trying to think of like films where that's usually something that comes up where like the woman, the female character is kind of standing over to the side. But I think that you know, as with many things being depicted in film, people are more conscientious of the way things can be implied. And and now they even um, you know, I've heard that they have like uh what they call like sensitivity readers who will go through a script. And yeah, I believe that. Yeah, exactly. And it's not like obviously there are the cynics who are like, oh, everybody has to it has to be also PC nowadays. I don't think that's the way to look at it at all. I think these are people who are saying you need to be aware that if you film this a certain way, or if you cast this a certain way, or you if you use this particular dialogue that is going to be perceived, like you you're if you have the money, I guess you could do whatever you want, but it all has consequences.
SPEAKER_00:And even then, like there's someone who has a vision as far as what they want to get on screen, and then there are people who have the unenviable task of having to convince people to buy a ticket to watch it. And sometimes sometimes those two worlds have to meet somewhere in order to get something out there that meets that vision, but is still a like a product that people will want to consume and watch.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. No, that's gosh, your question can bring up a whole like amazing conversation about all of that.
SPEAKER_00:And we're just gonna create a new podcast called Hit the Damn Rat, where we feature movies where this needs to happen.
SPEAKER_02:Where the woman just is like standing there and doing anything.
SPEAKER_00:It's gonna die dissect all those scenes.
SPEAKER_03:That would actually be it's every movie from the Disney Renaissance. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:So, okay. One thing that I did wanna bring up uh before I forget is oh, actually I have two things. Okay, so so you were mentioning Alexa, the thing that was problematic for you. So this is far more petty, but nice when when okay, so two two different sections of the film in particular. So we talk about when Buttercup pushes Wesley down the hill and then she goes down herself, not so much her, but have you ever looked at the stump performer?
SPEAKER_01:Uh yes.
SPEAKER_02:Do you know what I'm talking about?
SPEAKER_00:It's like this like the hairline is like, what yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's like I get it. Like you don't have an endless supply of stump people, but that person, it's so uh it's like so painfully obvious.
SPEAKER_00:We're just gonna dress them all in black and throw them down a hill and it's gonna be fine.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. Okay, thank you. And then the other one, which like I understand that there were really good reasons for this. I know that Andre the Giant, you know, he was he he left us too soon. He was only, I think, 46 when he passed away. There's a also kind of a little bit of a sidebar. There's a really great documentary on him. I believe it's through HBO.
SPEAKER_00:I think so. Yeah, it was really good.
SPEAKER_02:It's it's pretty short. I think it's only maybe an hour long, and it gives you a really incredible look into his life and just what he went through as this man who could not go anywhere and not be noticed. Right. And and also how he parlayed that into a really successful career, but that career did a lot of Damage on his body.
SPEAKER_00:And so not only the career, but the choices that he made with respect to like treatment and taking care of himself. Yeah. And the conflict between that and doing this thing that he loved and also like was his livelihood resulted in just the continued deterioration of his of his well-being and physical ability.
SPEAKER_02:So I'm not trying to um be disparaging about it because there were really good reasons why they needed to use a stunt guy for him, but uh that's another thing too. I mean, I don't know how you get a stunt guy for Andre the Giant.
SPEAKER_00:For the for the scene where she jumps or for No.
SPEAKER_03:Well, she was on wires for that, right? When he was holding her up. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Like a there was like a support behind him, I think, as well. So that they had it covered on on like every possible facet of that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think they tried to use him whenever they could, but um, I'm speaking of when he is first uh going against at the time he dread pirate Roberts Wesley, and when you cut like to a long shot and you see Wesley like on top of him behind him with his arms wrapped around his neck, that's not him.
SPEAKER_00:I honestly never noticed that.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, really? Yeah, I didn't know. Did you notice that, Alexa? No. Um I think it's because there's a moment where and then they cut to like more close-ups where they can use both the actors, but when uh when Fezzick basically pushes Wesley, so Wesley's on his back and he turns around and he kind of like bumps up against this huge rock, it's really clear that that's not Andre the Giant, because you can't you get a shot of the face.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:And and also just again, like they did they did the very best that they could because again, that has to be literally an impossible task. If you were like the stunt coordinator or something, and you're like, you're told, okay, I need you to get somebody for Andre the Giant, I'd be like, what?
SPEAKER_03:Just like give me a raise right now, please. Exactly. Like, what how how am I supposed to get somebody to double for him?
SPEAKER_00:But find me someone else whose last name is the giant.
SPEAKER_02:Right. So but I think between and I and I and again, I cut a lot of slack because actually, in some ways, I think it kind of works with the film because you you even said this, Alexa, like where you can kind of see edges to the film and and there's this like fairy tale quality to it where like yeah, like there's a lot that just doesn't really look genuine, especially the people inside the rat suits, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Some of my favorite edges are when um Wesley and Enigo are talking on that clifftop, and you can see like the clouds are just painted and don't move ever in the slightest. And then at the end, when they all kind of like write off, you can see the the backdrop. And I'm like, oh, they better, they better cut, they're gonna run into this wall.
SPEAKER_02:I guess the so like it's not one of those things where I get huffy and puffy about it the way that I do about Buttercup just like standing there and doing nothing. But it it's like weird to me that they were like, whatever, we'll get whoever to do the stunts for for all of our different actors. But then I know, and I really only know this from reading the book. I don't know if you knew this, Alexa, that Mandy Patinkin and Carrie Always, they they did that entire fencing sequence.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, isn't that awesome? I think between the two of them they had like a combined 10 months of training. Like, and yeah, Mandy Patinken did like six months, and um Carrie Elwais did four. And the only stunt that wasn't performed by them in that fight was the flips.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I was just gonna ask about the flips.
SPEAKER_03:No, sorry. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That was that would have been the most impressive part.
SPEAKER_03:And oh go ahead. Please go ahead. That fight, um, did you know it was uh originally it was only like one minute long, and uh Rob Reiner watched after they had learned the whole thing and they performed it for him, and he was like, that's it, that's all the fight is. And they had to go and re-choreograph and redo the whole thing to make it like three minutes long. Are you sure you haven't read the book? I've watched a lot of behind the scenes things. I was like, you were very, very knowledgeable about it. There was a uh I watched uh Carrie Elways actually uh taped, like videotaped a lot of behind the scenes stuff for his own video diary. And he has like a whole bunch of stuff like this, um, all this cool footage um from behind the scenes that I watched. It was really neat.
unknown:Oh.
SPEAKER_02:That is so cool. Well, honestly, the only reason why I knew that was because of the book. I wouldn't have known that like a month ago. And and so that's why I find that also interesting that that was like the one scene where they're like, we need this to be authentic. Like you guys are not only going to do the entire fencing sequence, but you know, you're gonna have to learn it with both hands. And and and they trained, like you said, for months to do this, but then with like a lot of the other things, they're like, whatever. Like, we'll just get this old guy to be this 22-year-old stun-doll.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, a dramatic sword fight versus tossing a guy down a hill.
SPEAKER_02:I guess so. I would then I wish that I just wish they would have had it in a different ankle or something because it is like so.
SPEAKER_00:I think it's only because like we watched the movie so many times that you start noticing those things. That's true.
SPEAKER_02:That's actually very true. Yeah. Okay. So, like, last here's the last big question that I wanted to ask. Given that it's a fairy tale story, do you think I mean, like, I I really do love the scenes with Fred Savage and Peter Falk, and I think it's like really sweet and endearing. Do you think that the film could hold up the same way if it had been just a straight kind of fairy tale movie without that back and forth that kind of cuts back to reality with us being reminded that this is a story being told?
SPEAKER_03:No, absolutely not. I think it needs that bookend 100%. Like, I think it frames it in the perfect way and it sets it up as being cheeky from the get-go. Um, like you you have you have Peter Falk and his amazing voice kind of narrating throughout the story. And just like right off the bat, you know that you're in because of because of this um this book end of the grandson and the grandfather reading him the story, like you kind of know what you're in for. Like it sets it up so well. And I think if we didn't have that at the very beginning, we wouldn't know exactly how to take the movie. That's a that's a very great movie.
SPEAKER_00:It would be such a different experience. I think it would be it would still be a fun movie, but I don't think it would be nearly as endearing or beloved as it is now.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I completely agree.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, there are a couple moments in particular where you know, like it's getting really intense, and Peter Falk's character is is uh giving the grandson some assurances, like it's gonna be okay. I just saw you getting a little anxious there. You know, or um or like the kissing part where he starts being a little bit more okay with it, and and and Peter Falk's reactions when Fred Savage thinks he's like pulling one over on him, like, no, no, if you want, and he's like, Okay, all right. Just it's just such a great dynamic between those two, especially at the end where it like literally provides that bookend of as you wish.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, it's so perfect. Yeah, it it I really think that it's um because that was one of the things that so William Gold Goldman, the screenwriter of the script, he he wrote the book, The Princess Bride. And so I think that the fact that they were able to have that same person come in as well to understand, like he already was a well-established screenwriter, multi-yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:No, this guy I thought he just like I wrote a book, now I'm gonna write a movie.
SPEAKER_02:No, here we go. No, I mean, as far as like screenwriters go, he's probably one of the most successful of all time. Um, two-time Oscar winner. Uh, he won for Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kit.
SPEAKER_00:I've heard of it.
SPEAKER_02:Yep. And he also won for All the President's Men. So he is also very um very skilled at like so Butch Cassidy, that was an original screenplay, and then All the President's Men was based on existing material. So he can he could do both worlds. He could do original and adapted. And so I can only imagine how difficult it might be to adapt your own material, especially something that this was really um I mean, he wrote this book for his daughters, and so it had a lot of emotional attachment for him. But I think at the same time, I mean, I don't think he ever I don't I don't know to what degree. Like I know that it was in development hell for a really long time with a lot of different directors attached, but it really was uh the very best decision to have him involved with the screenplay because not only does he know the material better than anyone else, he understands how it needs to translate to the screen.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's that's a very important part of it because you can know your own material, but not necessarily understand how it's gonna how it's gonna be interpreted or looked at when it's on a screen versus yeah. Just ask Stephen King about that.
SPEAKER_02:Oh that's so much of his stuff. Totally different kind of writer, but yeah, yeah. Derek's a are you a Stephen King person? Derek's a Stephen King guy.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah. I I like Stephen K. I like Stephen King a lot. The only thing is I tend to like the the movies that have been adapted by Stephen King that he hates are the ones that I like. Like The Shining, of course. So like all of all of Stephen King's adaptions where he's like, I don't like that one. I'm like, oh, I that's the one that I'm really into. What's an example of that for you? Um besides, I know like infamously he didn't like The Shining. Um I don't know how he feels about Shawshank Redemption, but that's one of my favorite movies. Um it's a beautiful film.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, his non-horror has translated better.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Um, but I think the one where I would agree with him is The Dark Tower did not translate very well to a film. But that's only because they changed, they kind of like made it a different story.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:How do you feel about the recent the recent it adaptions?
SPEAKER_02:I only saw we we really need to get that on our radar again because we went to the theater loved part one, but not seen part two.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I I've liked part one a lot, and then the two two was weird. I I don't know if two held up as well as one did.
SPEAKER_02:Um that's what I've heard. That's what I've heard. However, another film of his, which I think uh, or story of his, which was adapted for the screen that I think was beautifully done.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I already know what you're gonna say.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, you do, do you?
SPEAKER_00:Uh-huh. Stand by me.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. Which was directed by Rob Reiner.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:So it's come full circle. Back to the Princess Bride. I know. So easy when we go on our tangents, it always comes back. So oh my gosh, this has been so fun. I I've had a great time. And what here's the thing that I really love when we have our guests on and uh we have them come on for a film that they love. That love is like so apparent, and it's so fun to see that. And you are no exception to that. Like, it's so clear from the way you speak about the film, everything you know about it, and just the way that it's continued to be a part of your life, how you feel about it. And I think that's great because again, I I promise to uh zip the lip quicker than I did a minute ago, but like that's what I think film is about. Like that that's why it is the art, arts are important and why they have a place in this world. And and you're just an example of that. The way that you feel about this film, the way that you have been really eloquent and articulate about it. So thank you so much for for being part of this podcast with us.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, thank you so much for having me and letting me spout all of my film trivia that I have collected over the years. We love trivia. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_02:Trivias are jammed. We love trivia.
SPEAKER_03:I know. I get I get way too into film trivia, which is why I just have like files, file cabinets in my brain of different film trivias. So if you ever do a podcast on Lord of the Rings, I can probably quote the director's cut.
SPEAKER_02:We might because isn't the okay, so Lord of the Rings. I don't know if there's like an 80s connection, but there was the animated Hobbit.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Right? That was in the 80s.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. The animated Lord of the Rings was, I think, 76.
SPEAKER_00:It was it was real weird, but kind of amazing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Trippy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. That we'll find it. We'll find it. That might be our first animated film that we do. We'll have you back. Yeah, I mean, that would be amazing. And I know, I know it's not Lord of the Rings, but like I'm trying to find that connection there. It is a good habit, yes. It is a good habit. So okay, okay, fair. Um, but again, thank you so much for being part of this. And I know that the world is in a crazy, crazy place right now, but I would love to hear if you have any projects that you've been working on or are going to be working on soon and what you've been up to.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. Um, so right now I currently, Connor and I both uh scored a short film called Oakdale 1959, which is in the film circuit, uh festival film circuit. Um, and then a couple of short films coming out soon. Um, one is uh called Axiom. It's a psychological thriller that I'm wrapping up. It's been super fun to score. And of course, she had it coming, which was amazing.
SPEAKER_02:It makes my heart grow three sizes bigger. Um that it honestly, like, this is gonna be a little low fest moment, but could not be more overjoyed that you and Connor were part of that project. And yes, we already uh I guess this this would be kind of the first time that I'd be talking about it, uh, already throwing our hat in the ring with the film festival circuit. So we've already uh submitted to more than a dozen and and we will continue to do so. So uh so yeah, I mean, you will be one of the first to know how how that all pans out. And and uh that's awesome. I know that, like you said, Oakdale 1959 has been in the film festival circuit and has been doing really well. So uh for anybody out there who is into short films, this one is a great one. I I have read the script for it, and and so it it is really a wonderful short. And uh, and you mentioned Axiom. So so that is you said I soon to be completed? Yes. Yes, awesome, awesome. Well, thank you again, and we will definitely have you on another time, probably for the animated hobbit.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god. For sure.
SPEAKER_02:So excited. Thank you so much for having me. Take care, guys. Of course. All right, so that was our fantastic conversation with our good friend Alexa, who also happens to love this movie, and it was she hit us with a lot of trivia.
SPEAKER_00:She sure did. It was amazing.
SPEAKER_02:It was amazing, yeah. I mean, she really she wasn't just like, oh sure, I love that movie. She really yeah, she really does.
SPEAKER_00:It was awesome.
SPEAKER_02:All right, we uh we do this, and and we've had a track record for the last couple of episodes where it's kind of a no-brainer. It's probably a no-brainer for this one too.
SPEAKER_00:Are you gonna ask me this with a straight face?
SPEAKER_02:Well, you can you can ask me, I guess, if you want to.
SPEAKER_00:Would you watch this movie again?
SPEAKER_02:Yes. Would you watch this movie again, Derek?
SPEAKER_00:As you wish.
SPEAKER_02:Oh. I love you too.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I know, of course. Uh I'll watch this. Uh I I like Alexa's plan of watching it at least once a year. Yeah. I think uh I think we do that without even intending to.
SPEAKER_02:Because, like she even said, like sometimes you're just like flipping through channels and you see it on, you're like, yeah, sure. Just keep it on. So I am positive that will happen at some point in the coming year.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know that I get necessarily new things out of it, but I enjoy all of the things that I've enjoyed before all over again.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Because I've seen it so many times. I don't know if I get Although I guess I'm wrong because I didn't get that I didn't get all the extra, the stunt, stunt extra stuff. Like I've I don't know that I've ever really paid attention and noticed that it wasn't actually really Wesley rolling down that hill, or that it wasn't actually really Audre the Giant during portions of his fight with the Dread Pirate Roberts. Right. Like I just didn't uh notice that stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Uh I think that might have something to do with what we were talking about earlier when we were discussing Miracle Max's and Valerie for that matter, their makeup. I think that with the improvements to um, we were watching uh we were watching the HD version of it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:As opposed to uh like old VHS copy from Blockbuster that's been watched a thousand times.
SPEAKER_02:I honestly can't say when when the first time was that I was like, oh, that's like not a great great stunt double, or just that like they didn't really try very hard to they tried their best. Sure, sure. I yeah, I know I feel I feel awful to throw any shade at this movie because it's just so awesome. So I'm not trying to like find ways to dig.
SPEAKER_00:I feel like I can say with a thousand percent certainty, they know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they know, they know.
SPEAKER_00:You know, they've seen it more than any of us have, and they're like, yep.
SPEAKER_02:It and it kind of adds to its charm, to be totally honest. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So I mean, the scenes where they're talking and you see the clouds painted on, not moving, or when they're riding off into the sunset and they're like, I can see the like where the backdrop starts, and uh, I know that it's gonna cut in about two seconds, and it does. Um, but all that stuff just kind of like works, it's like a play going on in your head being like created from from the grandfather's narration.
SPEAKER_02:That that's actually a really great way to frame it. It really kind of comes across as like a play that you're watching because that is one thing I wanted to bring up actually, and I don't mean it as a dig, I really don't. I think it works really well with the genre and the story in particular, that it is one of the few movies where I'm kind of constantly reminded throughout the whole thing that I'm watching a movie.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Like there it it has this deliberate sense of artifice to it, yeah, but I think it works entirely with the fact that, like, yes, this is a grandfather retelling a fairy tale.
SPEAKER_00:He's trying to make his grandson feel better, and so he picked the princess bride. He did not pick up George R. R. Martin's A Feast for Crows. So, like, you know that it's gonna work out in the end. Yeah, it's gonna be okay.
SPEAKER_02:So, okay. Call to action.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Honestly, I I the only thing I could kind of think of is, you know, like we were talking about earlier with Alexa, like how quotable the film is.
SPEAKER_00:It's your favorite quote.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean, I have my sentimental favorite, which is As You Wish, that was the topper on our wedding cake. So that will always be my favorite. Yourself.
SPEAKER_00:Uh man, there's so many. I mean, as we mentioned on the call, I remember saying, like, have fun storming the castle so many so many times. I like that. Uh I like anybody want a peanut?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. That one because that one makes me giggle because like that's something that people maybe would say. Stop your rhyming.
SPEAKER_00:I mean it.
SPEAKER_02:And yeah, like anybody want a peanut? Like, I feel like there have been a couple times in my life where that's like kind of come up or a variant of that. And I always be like, oh, because sometimes I do want a peanut. Yeah, sometimes I want a peanut.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So there are there are so many. I I don't even know how to limit them.
SPEAKER_02:And of course, inconceivable.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that those are like the greatest hits of of uh of all the quotes.
SPEAKER_02:So if there are any princess bride isms that have worked their way into your ver vocabulary and you want to share them with us, please do. You can find us on Facebook or Twitter or Instagram, and it's the same handle for all three. It's at 80smontage pod. Nades is 80S, so at 80s montage pod, and we would love to hear from you if that's the case.
SPEAKER_00:So we would I have one final thing that I failed to bring up. Okay. That I would be remiss. Oh my gosh. When we're going through the cast and the characters, I don't Marjorie uh Mason Mason.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Her role as credited.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00:She is the ancient booer.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:And I just think that's an amazing like that's awesome.
SPEAKER_02:They give some really The Ancient Booer.
SPEAKER_00:That's awesome.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, there's kind of like fun credits that they give.
SPEAKER_00:They have very fun credits.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I think it's kind of fun that they never actually give names to the grandson and grandfather. The Impressive Clergyman is a classic. The albino, I mean, it's yeah, that's that's right up there. One of the top three, probably.
SPEAKER_00:I I had to get that in there. Well done.
SPEAKER_02:Well done. I'm glad I'm glad that Marjorie got her due.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you.
SPEAKER_02:So okay. Sneak peek two weeks from now.
SPEAKER_00:Is it what I think it's gonna be?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. What do you think it's gonna be?
SPEAKER_00:I think it might be Big Trouble in Little China.
SPEAKER_02:You would be correct, sir.
SPEAKER_00:Holy shit. That's amazing. Love that movie so much. So I'm more excited than I can possibly articulate through this microphone.
SPEAKER_02:This is this isn't quite blood sport for me. Where I've I just had never seen Bloodsport, period.
SPEAKER_00:No, because Blood Sport is kind of like you'll watch it and it's almost like a parody of itself at this point. Whereas Big Trouble in Little China is legit just a great movie.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I've seen bits and pieces of it.
SPEAKER_00:Which also doesn't take itself too seriously.
SPEAKER_02:Mostly because you'll have it on TV and I'll kind of walk through the room and be like, oh, okay. And walk back out. So this will be my first time seeing it from start to finish.
SPEAKER_00:Awesome.
SPEAKER_02:And we will have with us another fantastic special guest, Owen, and I am very excited to hear what he thinks about this film as well.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna go watch it right now.
SPEAKER_02:Great. So everyone, thank you so much for hanging with us. Uh, we will see you again in two weeks. All right, bye. Bye!