'80s Movie Montage
Breaking down our favorite decade of flicks. Hosted by Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke.
'80s Movie Montage
Romancing the Stone
With special guest Krishna Smitha, Anna and Derek discuss Joan Wilder's mini-bottle obsession, the logistics of getting a sailboat parked in NYC and other pressing questions in Robert Zemeckis' rom-com adventure classic Romancing the Stone (1984).
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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.
Krishna Smitha is an actress-producer based in Los Angeles working on stage and film. She is a company member at The Road Theatre and a founding member of The Artists Playground. She works regularly in television, most notably recurring on Seasons 5 and 6 of Silicon Valley. Krishna loves writing, producing, and creating all sorts of stuff with other artists, whether it be films, theatre, or podcasts! www.KrishnaSmitha.com
Hello and welcome to 80s movie montage, where we also hope to be the best time you ever had. This is Derek.
SPEAKER_03:And this is Anna.
SPEAKER_00:And this week we are talking about romancing the stone.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and honestly, that's probably I think that might be one of the best lines from the entire movie. Like that's a great line.
SPEAKER_00:It is. I mean, I I love that whole sequence because this is when they're actually looking for the the stone, the the treasure.
SPEAKER_03:They are actively hunting.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, the the water noises you hear, that's them digging in water. Does that even work? Yeah, mother's milk. Yeah, I okay. I guess you can dig in that. And they find, of course, a a small little uh statue. Mm-hmm. And her reaction is immediately, it's a priceless statue. No, it's a worthless uh rabbit. Oh, remember that book I wrote where the treasure was hidden? Okay, everything's solved in about 30 seconds, and they get this uh insanely large, what is it, emerald.
SPEAKER_03:You really uh kind of take issue with how quickly these problems are resolved in this sequence. It was amazing.
SPEAKER_00:They're like, it's not really about the stone as much as it's about romancing the stone.
SPEAKER_03:Mm-hmm. Which apparently is like a turn, I don't know. I know nothing about jewelry making or any of that, but apparently that's that they pulled that from that industry that apparently romancing the stone is when you're kind of like prepping the stone to be placed in a setting. I don't know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Interesting.
SPEAKER_03:So as we normally do, we have a really awesome segment coming up with our special guests. So we should jump in because we have lots to talk about. Do we? Yeah, we do. Let's go. Let's do it. Okay. So Romancing the Stone came out in '84. And so unfortunately, um I'm kind of we're kind of starting this off on a little bit of a sad note because the person who wrote this script, Diane Thomas, she passed away very soon after this film was a success. I think she passed away right around the time, either right before or after Jew of the Nile, which she didn't um necessarily actively take part in the creation of that sequel, but because she had created the characters from Romancing the Stone, she has a credit for Jew of the Nile as well. And she passed away in a car accident. The reason why I'm kind of bringing this up because we don't we don't often talk about uh, you know, the the personal lives of the people involved, but this story is is kind of heartbreaking to me. And she, you know, had that very kind of cliched um entry into the industry, but it's also a pretty amazing story because she was working as a waitress to support herself, and Michael Douglas happened to walk into the restaurant where she worked. Wow. And she had been working on the script, she pitched him the idea, he liked it, he bought it for a considerable sum of money. When was this? Uh late 70s.
SPEAKER_00:Because you know what would happen if somebody walked into a uh restaurant or cafe now and you tried pitching them something?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, they would immediately brush you off. I mean, or they would like very politely uh, you know, just accept it. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, let you pitch it. But actually, you know what? Now that I'm thinking about it, people are so litigious that um They wouldn't even take it. Yeah, they'd be like, no, you can't tell me anything.
SPEAKER_00:Because then like ten years later, when something is somewhat similar, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So so they probably would immediately cut you off, and then you'd probably be fired for, you know, disrupting a person's like lunch or dinner by trying to pitch your response would just be Sir, this is a Wendy's. Yeah. So yeah, so it's like kind of one of those very um, you know, fantasy land, but actually happened in this case stories. And so he bought the script. And what ended up happening is that also because of the success of the film, he bought her a Porsche. And unfortunately, she was celebrating. I don't know if it was like directly related to like celebrating the film, but she was like out with a friend and her boyfriend. They all had had some drinks. Um, the boyfriend, I guess, had had the least to drink, and so he was driving and an accident ensued. Um, unfortunately, Thomas, she died instantly. Uh, the passenger also eventually succumbed to their injuries. The boyfriend survived, but it is heartbreaking to me because people, whether you're a writer, director, whoever, you work so hard to try to get into this industry and to finally have gotten that foothold. And from what I read, she had been working on a script for Steven Spielberg.
SPEAKER_00:Wow.
SPEAKER_03:At the time that she passed. So sorry to kind of go down that path, but like it is so heartbreaking to me that that's how her story turned out. And um, I mean, she had at least one really amazing film that came out of her career. But people, please just like PSA time, do not drink and drive, especially nowadays when we have Ubers and Lyfts everywhere.
SPEAKER_00:Like, well, and even then, they certainly had the ability to find a better way home.
SPEAKER_03:Like, it just it is like so sad. But okay, moving on to the director of the film who we actually have talked about before. So, yes.
SPEAKER_00:What has he done that I may be familiar with?
SPEAKER_03:So it's a gentleman by the name of Robert Semekis. And wow, he is not ringing any bells. Yeah, I it really should ring some bells because we talked about him in our eighth episode, which was on Back to the Future. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay, I've heard of that guy. So, and because we did kind of do a deep dive on him, um, my recommendation to all of our listeners out there is to revisit episode eight if you want to hear a little bit about Mr. Zemeckis.
SPEAKER_00:It's a fun one. We talked about the whole trilogy with our guest Casey Campbell.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we I mean, we really go for it in that one. So it's definitely a fun episode. Um, and yeah, I don't want to get too redundant. I mean, it's going to end up happening more and more where we have these individuals in the films that uh we've referenced before. So yeah, check out episode eight. Also, uh cinematography, we've talked about this gentleman before. Yeah, we have. Um, so it's a gentleman by the name of Dean Cundy.
SPEAKER_01:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03:And so here's the thing: he did the cinematography for Back to the Future. So you again can go back to that episode. We don't actually reference him, but are we talking?
SPEAKER_00:I mean, this almost feels like it is Back to the Future.
SPEAKER_03:I know, right? It's uh heavy deja vu vibes. But we talk about him in episode 12, which is Big Trouble in Little China. Oh, really?
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Because he was the DP on that as well. Nice. So you can go back to the back to the back to the future.
SPEAKER_00:Back to the back to the back to the future episode.
SPEAKER_03:But if you want to hear a little bit more about Cundi, um, episode 12 is the place to go to hear about him. So this is honestly a first where we've had three people in a row that have already been on films that we've talked about. But um, I did want to talk about because it is a big part of this film as well, is the costume design.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:And this lovely lady that we just chatted about in the previous episode, 16, Ferris Bueller's Day Off. She also did the costume design for this movie. So, uh woman by the name of Marilyn Vance.
SPEAKER_00:Shout out to the scene where they start dancing because Michael Douglas is looking sharp.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, he looks fantastic in there.
SPEAKER_03:He and you know what's interesting is so like he picked out his own wardrobe and he picked out hers as well. He did a pretty good job. He did a great job. He did a great job. So, really, Marilyn Vance did a great job. Exactly. Yeah. So if you want to hear a little bit more about her, go to episode 16. I am just like, a lot of cross-references here. A lot of cross-references. Okay, so because we are able to kind of like move quickly over these individuals that like we usually kind of go do a deep dive on in other episodes. I wanted to bring up some uh people that you know we rarely and we should, but you know, then it really would be like a five-hour podcast. Um but I wanted to bring up uh the person behind the production design of this film. Because again, I think this is a a movie. I mean, look, this is not to disparage other films where like maybe you're like, oh, production design's pretty easy. It's never easy, but I would say that this film is one of those films where it has a very specific look to it that helps with like the tone of it, the story, you know, makes it all believable. And the person behind the production design in this film is a gentleman by the name of Lawrence G. Paul.
SPEAKER_00:Cool.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So want to give a little bit of you know, shout out to his other credits because then you'll begin to kind of see how these people make an impact on these films. So among his other production design credits, little film called Blade Runner.
SPEAKER_00:Oh man, that movie's that movie is equal parts, great movie, and also a great movie to fall asleep to.
SPEAKER_03:Oh man, I don't is that a recommendation of it?
SPEAKER_00:It's a recommendation if you look, if you're amped up and have the energy to enjoy a great sci-fi, one of the best sci-fi movies possibly ever, then yes, also if you're controlled snooze, throw that on and that music just like washes over you.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, for the score.
SPEAKER_00:Between like the atmosphere and the music, you have to be ready to watch that. Otherwise, yeah, you're not gonna make it. You have to be in a certain headspace. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, but yeah, speaking of atmosphere, I mean, that movie is like overflowing with atmosphere, and that in large part goes to like the look of it, and that goes back to Mr. Ball.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Also, among his credits, Back to the Future. We can't get away from Back to the Future in this film or in this episode. Um, also Project X, license to drive. Harlem Knights, another one that has like a really distinct look to it. Predator 2.
SPEAKER_00:Ugh.
SPEAKER_03:Oh.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, they're Predator movies.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that one, that one was crazy. That one was like really bizarre. At least it was connected to the first Predator. I feel like a lot of the other Predator sequels just. Let's put them on another planet. Let's have aliens, let's do whatever.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Also, City Slickers and Escape from LA.
SPEAKER_00:I still haven't seen that one.
SPEAKER_03:So, but I but all those films, you know, they have like a distinct world, a distinct look. And thank you, Mr. Paul, for your talent on all those films. Okay. So moving on to the editing on this movie. Um, in this case, we have two people who get credit for the editing. And that's okay. That that that can happen.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, is that because of some of the post stuff that they that's actually a really great point.
SPEAKER_03:Um, yeah, we bring that up also with our special guest that, you know, this film didn't actually test well uh the first time around and yeah. I mean, but the thing is, is that I did hear that Zemeckis did a pretty significant overhaul of the film in certain regards. Like he cut down the overall length, and then also he really added um as far as like the beginning and end, like the bookends of the film.
SPEAKER_00:Wilder in her apartment, finishing up the book and exactly.
SPEAKER_03:So you you bring up actually a really good point that that's perhaps the reason why there were two editors, because perhaps by the time they had all that additional footage, the initial editor wasn't available anymore. And so they had to bring in somebody else. Maybe, yeah, I don't know. Um, but as far as the two gentlemen that are credited here, so the first one, uh, man by the name of Don Cambern, he is turning 91 this year.
SPEAKER_01:Wow, good for him.
SPEAKER_03:So good on him. And I mean, this is incredible, some of his credits. So one of his earliest credits, a little film by the name of Easy Rider.
SPEAKER_00:I've heard of it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, which is crazy because I'm actually listening to my own podcast. Like, not your own podcast?
SPEAKER_00:No, no, I'm just gonna be.
SPEAKER_03:And I mean, for anybody, look, it's not an 80s film. I'm gonna try not to do a deep dive on it, but it was a pretty like loose filming atmosphere, and they just like accumulated a ton of footage. So I could only imagine what this guy had to go through.
SPEAKER_00:So you guys want like a 10-hour movie?
SPEAKER_03:Right. And it doesn't really, I mean, it is absolutely not a traditionally structured film.
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_03:And so he had to kind of He made a movie. Yeah, he had to make a story out of it. So, I mean, I feel like that's like a pretty, pretty tall order, and he did great. So, Easy Rider. Um, also, he was the editor on The Last Picture Show, critically acclaimed film. Uh The Cannonball Run.
SPEAKER_00:Those are fun movies. Those are like I have not seen those in so long that I'm pretty sure when I do watch them again, they're gonna, it's gonna be real bad. I don't I don't have to be a lot of fun. We'll see. We'll we'll watch it for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Another fun movie, Harry and the Hendersons. Yeah, that was a fun movie. Yeah. A less fun movie for me, Ghostbusters 2. It's okay. It's okay.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, this pink slime gets angry.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. The bodyguard.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Rookie of the year. And then, oh it's not that bad.
SPEAKER_00:No, I'm gonna I'll stand up for this one. I think it is.
SPEAKER_03:Well, and then his last credit was for The Glimmer Man in '96 when he was 67 years old.
SPEAKER_00:So that was a Stephen Segal movie that I never saw, but my friends and I would just constantly make fun of the name of that movie.
SPEAKER_03:The Glimmer Man?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, I feel like there are funnier names out there, but okay.
SPEAKER_00:He's supposed to be so tough, and he's the Glimmerman. I I don't know. I mean, maybe that's a like intimidating thing to be known as the Glimmer Man.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's not intimidating for sure, but anyway. Alright, the other editor on this film, gentleman by the name of Frank Morris. Double R double double S Morris. And he again, great uh resume of credits. He did a ton of TV work and then kind of moved more into film, it looks like. Uh, he did Short Circuit.
SPEAKER_00:It's a fun movie.
SPEAKER_03:Bird on a Wire.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Point of No Return, Nick of Time, and Incognito.
SPEAKER_00:So also Nick of Time is an underrated movie, I think.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I agree with you.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so I'm I have one more crew member to that I want to bring up. Sure. I don't know if you were gonna bring him up.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:There was an actual map designer.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Were you gonna bring him up?
SPEAKER_03:I was gonna bring him up. I mean, we talked about it just like for a hot second with Krishna.
SPEAKER_00:Because his credit is kind of phenomenal. He's credited as Dr. Krypton, the map designer. And then a little bit further down, you see that it is in fact uh Paul Hoffman, map designer, as Dr. Krypton.
SPEAKER_03:It's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that particular attention to detail that they're like, no, we're gonna really have a cool map.
SPEAKER_00:Um it was a cool map. It was kind of a mad magazine like cover foldover.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, exactly. So moving on, we actually do talk about this gentleman at length with our special guests. So I'm gonna do a little bit of an abbreviated version. Okay. But we have to bring up Alan Sylvestry because you and I we we we use him as a little bit of a punching bag because the score in this movie, it's a little cheesy. It is like pure 80s.
SPEAKER_00:It is, yeah. I don't I mean it's it's cheesy, but it's dated, and I mean that in a complimentary way because it fit that time and like what you would think a score should be for this type of movie in 1984 pretty perfectly. Yeah. It's it's like ridiculous. There she's steering the wheel of a car in a river floating down in Columbia, and it's just like heavy saxon synth. It's like what's happening right now?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's and you know, I tell a story with Krishna about how it wasn't that well received by the person who is the producer on Zemex's neck next film, which was Steven Spielberg. Yeah. And so Zemex had to kind of fight for him, but it all worked out just fine because this guy has had an amazing career. He did do the score for all the Back to the Future movies. And, you know, some of his other credits, Predator and Predator 2, another movie that's coming back.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and those were great scores.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Who frame Roger Rabbit? So he he has had a long-standing relationship with Zemeca since.
SPEAKER_00:So, what you're saying is don't judge him by this one, even though we say it's not that bad.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was like kind of starting out.
SPEAKER_00:It's a little heavy on the sacks.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, I I've said this before. Y'all, we all have to start somewhere. So it's like, you know, we like to razz, but he's had a really amazing career and has created some really beautiful scores. I mean, a couple of his other credits, The Abyss, okay, um, Death Becomes Her. He also worked on The Bodyguard. Uh, we were talking about this with Krishna. He did Force Gump, which is a very iconic score. And then on top of that, he's done several of the Marvel Avenger movies. So he did the Avengers and Infinity War and Endgame. At least he contributed to them.
SPEAKER_00:So the wildest part about that to me is that the guy who who put together all these incredible scores, like, go from the Avengers to the scene we just talked about in Romancing the Stone.
SPEAKER_03:There's no way it's the same guy. There's a lot of growth there. Yeah. But it is growth over the course of about 30 years. So I hope that we all grow and change for the better over several decades. Okay, moving on to the stars of this film. What's fun is like, I don't think we have uh had a chance to talk about any of these people. So they're all kind of like new people. I think so. Yeah. So starring Michael Douglas, um, I mentioned at the top of the episode, you know, he was the one who actually bought the script, so he also has a producing credit on the film. But he plays Jack Colton. Jack T. Colton. Yeah. My apologies.
SPEAKER_00:He stands for trustworthy.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And actually what's interesting is that, you know, he had, of course, already been like acting at this point, but this is still like a little bit earlier in his career. And he was already 40 when this movie came out. So, um, I mean, after this movie, okay, so Jew of the Nile, which we've all kind of admitted is like a pretty poor sequel.
SPEAKER_00:It's not great.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But it is a sequel.
SPEAKER_03:It is a sequel.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And then he goes on to have these like, I think really interesting roles because he definitely did not shy away from playing arguably like unlikable characters.
SPEAKER_00:No, I mean, Jack T. Colton is an interesting role for him because a lot of his career is more like straight-up serious drama. Yes. It's less of the zany comedy than Romancing the Stone would would indicate.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he's had a really interesting trajectory because then post uh these two movies, he did Fatal Attraction.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Falling Down.
SPEAKER_03:Falling Down, and in between those two, so he won Best Actor for Wall Street. So he's Oscar-winning actor. Um, and then he reteamed, and we talk about that with our guests. He reteemed with Kathleen Turner and Danny DeVito for The War of the Roses. Hilarious. Which which that is more zany. It is. Yeah. I mean, it's I mean, it's so over the top with like the way that they go after each other.
SPEAKER_00:That is a dark comedy, though, right? Because they are trying to kill each other.
SPEAKER_03:The definition of. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and also he's pretty infamous for basic instinct with Sharon Stone.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, I'd say so.
SPEAKER_03:Your response to that kind of yeah, says it all.
SPEAKER_00:He I I feel like um maybe his character in The Ghosts in the Darkness is a slight play on Jack T. Colton.
SPEAKER_03:I could see that.
SPEAKER_00:Because they both have an adventure. That's all I got.
SPEAKER_03:And kind of the look.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um, also, he did disclosure with Demi Moore.
SPEAKER_00:That's also He was famously sexually assaulted by Demi Moore.
SPEAKER_03:Um but we can't really talk about it because it's not an 80s film. Uh, but then he kind of goes a little well, momentarily goes into kind of lighter fare because he's the American president. Actually, a very good film. Yeah. Yeah. That was a good movie. Yeah, good movie. Another really good movie that I think is quite underrated is The Game.
SPEAKER_00:I don't I mean, yeah, maybe it didn't get as much attention as it should have. It's I feel like it was rated. I mean, it's a good movie. It's a great movie with Sean Sean Penn. Sean Penn. Uh it's just a game, bro.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's it's good. I I really enjoyed it. Um, and then again, a lighter film that I think he did get some like critical acclaim for The Wonder Boys, or just Wonder Boys.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, and then also another Marvel connection.
SPEAKER_00:Hank Pym.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Ant-Man and the Wasp. Um, and then you know, the other Ant-Man. Well, I think there's only been one other Ant-Man movie.
SPEAKER_00:There were two Ant-Man movies, and then he was also in um He was in Aventures Endgame, but I don't know. Yeah, like when they bought literally everybody together. Yeah, that was one of the part of the time heist. Yes, I think exactly.
SPEAKER_03:And then currently he's on the TV show, The Kaminsky Method. Yeah. Um, which I think at the very least he won a Golden Globe for, I want to say. So he's doing great still.
SPEAKER_00:All these gonna be reprising his role as Dr. Hank Pym in a series filming called What If? Question mark.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Cool.
SPEAKER_00:I think it's uh Ant-Man. My guess is that's gonna be a uh a Disney Plus Ant-Man prequel series. Wow, that was a mouthful. Yeah, I didn't even like saying it.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so moving on to Joan Wilder. Joan Wilder. Otherwise known as Kathleen Turner. Okay, and again, a person who has had an extremely accomplished career. Um, preceding this film, she was in Body Heat. Um, she did a lot of really great 80s films. So then after this, Pritzy's Honor, Jew of the Nile. I love this movie. Peggy Sue Got Married. I feel pretty strongly that we're gonna cover it at some point.
SPEAKER_00:I think so.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's it's really a fun movie. She's not credited, but she is the voice of Jessica Rabbit and who framed Roger Rabbit. Yeah, she's like credited in like other Roger Rabbit um projects that happen after this, but as of like right now, she doesn't get like an official credit. But it's like everybody knows, like she has such a distinctive voice, and and she knocks it out of the park. Like, really, nobody else could have been that voice. Um, so she did a great job there. Like I mentioned, War of the Roses, and then she's have like an interesting later career too.
SPEAKER_00:Like it's uh Are you really gonna skip VI Warszawski?
SPEAKER_03:I was planning to, but I guess not now. Um, but she plays the mom in the Virgin Suicides, very different kind of role.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, but she does a great job. I personally really love her. She has a recurring role on Friends, and she, I mean, she really does a great job. She plays Chandler's transgendered mom, and it's really, really good. Okay. Um, she she really does a great job. And I guess she also was on Californication, but I never never watched that show.
SPEAKER_00:She was also a uh a voice on Three Below Tales of Arcadia, a great dreamworks series.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean, she's still working. Yeah, she's still working. I'm just uh always having to pair down because people have just had like huge careers.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, moving on to who you believe to be the star of this movie.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I don't understand how he is not first billed in this movie. He is third, he's right after uh Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner. But yeah, Danny DeVito is Ralph.
SPEAKER_03:He's he's great. He's honestly amazing comic relief, and he does a great job. And not surprisingly, he he's just a really talented actor and he's had an amazing career. So, one thing that I think is really interesting is so it might be in fact his very first. It's it's definitely one of the very first few credits that he has. So he has a bit part in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. I don't know if you remember that.
SPEAKER_00:No, I don't.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's a smaller part, but what's interesting about that is so I don't know if you were aware that Michael Douglas, so One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest won Best Pitcher. Michael Douglas was a producer on that. So he actually won for One Flew One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as a producer of the film. Okay. And so he's had a relationship with Danny DeVito, and in fact, I read that they like shared an apartment in New York City when they were kind of like just starting out. Although I don't I don't know anything really about okay. This is me being a little throwing a little shade. Cause it's like, yeah, first starting out, your dad's Kirk Douglas. Like, you're gonna probably be fine, Michael Douglas.
SPEAKER_00:You have you have an advantage.
SPEAKER_03:You have an advantage, but in any case, yeah. We so I did not watch this show because I was too young, and also it has like one of the most depressing Oh, taxi. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that that opening song just like makes you want to curl up and die.
SPEAKER_03:It's terri. It's it's terrible.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But somebody loves it.
SPEAKER_00:Hilarious. What's the best lead into this comedy? Let's make everyone knowing it. I can't even do it.
SPEAKER_03:It's just so bad. But um, he has like a really iconic character, Louis De Palma, and it I think a lot of people know him from that.
SPEAKER_00:He ran like the like the taxi.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he was, I don't know, dispatcher, I guess.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think so.
SPEAKER_03:Um he's in terms of endearment. Again, he returns for Jewel of the Nile. He's in Ruthless People, he also returns for The War of the Roses. One of my absolute and he's he is foul and disgusting, but he's so great.
SPEAKER_00:Are you talking about it's always sunny?
SPEAKER_03:I could be, probably, I guess. But no, I was talking about uh Batman Returns.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, which I thought was uh fun that that he makes a Batman reference in Romancing the Stone.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that was fun.
SPEAKER_03:That was fun. Um, and he's he's just great in that. It like makes me so sad that that's not an 80s film because I would love to cover that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it was a great sequel too with Catwoman.
SPEAKER_03:Great sequel. Much better sequel than Jewel of the Nile. But Well, yeah. Moving on. Um, I love this film. People should definitely watch this movie if it's not on their radar. Get shorty. I know it's become a TV series, but the film is really good. It's good, it's and he's in that as well.
SPEAKER_00:Sometimes I feel like it tries to be too like clever, and John Travolta is like so pleased with himself in every scene.
SPEAKER_03:Sure. But I love that. I love I so smoke. I love that movie. Um, also in LA Confidential, I now I've obviously seen the movie, but I don't really remember this role. But I guess he also was in Virgin Suicides, had a smaller role in it. Um and then this is what I think is really interesting. So he's in the movie, and again, like I've seen the movie, but it's been a while. He's in the movie Man on the Moon. Oh, yeah. Okay, so you do remember him from that. But he he Okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00:I just remember the movie, but I don't remember him being in it.
SPEAKER_03:Well, here's what's so interesting about it is like, in case people, you know, aren't making the connection on their own, Man on the Moon is about Charlie Kauf or um Andy Kaufman. Yeah, not the screenwriter. Andy Kaufman, the comedian, who also had a role on Taxi.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So it's like, oh, well, then he maybe was playing himself. I don't know. No, he plays some character named George Shapiro. So I find that so interesting that that Danny DeVito, who actually worked with Andy Kaufman, is in a movie about Andy Kaufman, but he's not playing himself.
SPEAKER_00:That is wild.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's wild, right? Um, also Big Fish. And then you mentioned what he's been on for quite a while, and it's been a hugely successful show, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I don't know if he if he saved that show or if that show needed saving, but it added such a different element to the movie. It really got weird. It was already a weird show where they just do awful things, but when his character Frank was introduced into the show, it just got even more bizarre.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but he I mean it's been going, I don't I don't know off the top of my head if there's been any any any emmy nominations. That's a hard thing to say, but um, but it maybe should. It's a great show. Okay. So moving on to Ira, cousin Ira, also known as Zach Norman. So, you know, he hasn't had quite the career of these other actors, but he's been working. He was on the E Team. Um, and then two of his other credits that like at least I was familiar with, he was in Cadillac Man and also The Nanny. I actually did love that show, Franchiser.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I can tell from your look that it wasn't a favorite of yours.
SPEAKER_00:No, I was more of a Belverdier guy.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Fair. Yeah. Fair. Um, so moving on to Manuel Oweda, and he plays Zolo, the like for real bad guy.
SPEAKER_00:He's only Zolo. There is only Zolo.
SPEAKER_03:There is only Zolo. Now talk about an acting career and he's still going strong.
SPEAKER_00:Let's do it. Let's talk about his acting career.
SPEAKER_03:Currently 263 acting credits.
SPEAKER_00:Holy shit.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So this man is a workhorse. So as has sometimes come up with some of these actors. So he uh came out of like kind of the Mexican entertainment industry. And I think that like from reading his credits, which again crazy extensive, that's mostly where his work has been. So both, you know, Mexican cinema, Mexican television. And unfortunately, I'm not well versed in that industry.
SPEAKER_00:I am not familiar with Como dice elodicho, but that is one of his shows.
SPEAKER_03:Right, exactly. So please, if you know, he he does an amazing turn in this film. I actually thought that um it was Omar Sharif when I was a kid from Dr. Jimago. They look really similar.
SPEAKER_00:I think my uh my favorite series that he was ever, and the title, if I'm just going by titles, it's gotta be Ask God Forgive for uh I screwed that up. Ask God for Forgiveness, not me.
SPEAKER_03:Wow. That sounds pretty heavy.
SPEAKER_00:That sounds like a movie, but it's actually a series. That sounds like a lot of Asking for Forgiveness.
SPEAKER_03:A lot of forgiveness. But among some of his um credits that maybe our audience would be a little bit more familiar with. Um he okay, so earlier in his career, Alfred Hitchcock presents. Um he was also in projects called The Man in White, Loving Ghosts. What yeah, Loving Ghosts, Outside the Law, Herod's Law, The Spring, The Other Woman, and Wild Heart. So he's done Wild Heart. Wild Heart. Okay. Okay, cool. So a ton of work. Um, great actor. Okay, moving on to Alfonso Alru, who just he's not in it for very long, but I would say second to Danny DeVito, he he really brings a lot of like great comedy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that was Little Mule. Yeah, Little Mule is amazing.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly. So um among some of his so I thought this was really interesting. So, okay, so earlier in his career, he was in the movie The Wild Bunch.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:And then here's what I thought was like so fun. So he was in a project called Trace Amigos Amigos. As you can tell, I'm not a Spanish speaker. I'm awful. I'm awful at anything that's amigos?
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That sounds like three amigos.
SPEAKER_03:And he's in three amigos.
SPEAKER_00:Wait, are you telling me that there is a three amigos and a trace amigos? Yes. Holy shit.
SPEAKER_03:Right? Yeah. Isn't that so fun?
SPEAKER_00:Are they the same movie? No. How different are they? Well, I don't know. We're gonna have to find out.
SPEAKER_03:I'm only familiar with three amigos. We gotta find out. I had I had to like bring that up because I thought that was so funny.
SPEAKER_00:That's incredible, right?
SPEAKER_03:And then also, I thought this was like such an interesting credit. This isn't as an actor, but as a director, he directed A Walk in the Clouds.
SPEAKER_00:Wow.
SPEAKER_03:With Canna Reeves.
SPEAKER_00:That's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_03:Isn't that so interesting? So I was like, wow, okay, that's pretty cool. And I had no idea.
SPEAKER_00:Again, the best title Where the hell's that gold? From uh 1988, a TV movie that plays the role of Indio.
SPEAKER_03:That's a great title.
SPEAKER_00:Where that where the hell is that gold?
SPEAKER_03:Where the hell is that gold? All right. Moving on. Again, this is somebody who has um our last two individuals, actors that I want to bring up, they have smaller roles, but they've had really extensive careers, and they both do really great in these like smaller roles. Like they really, I think, make an impact, um, despite kind of small screen time. So the first is Holland Taylor. She plays Gloria, who is Joan's like uh book editor. Okay. Yeah. And so she's there, I think just in the very beginning of the film. Yeah, I don't think wait. Uh does she see her again when she comes back? I don't remember.
SPEAKER_00:She does because she's like weeping at the end of the new book. Essentially, what we just saw.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, yes, you're absolutely right. So she's still working right now. Um so recognizable.
SPEAKER_00:Totally, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and she has like a very recognizable voice, I think.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So among some of her credits, Boozum Buddies.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think I actually remember her from that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um, she also came back for Jew of the Nile. Uh, she's having a baby, going places, saved by the Bell the college years.
SPEAKER_00:Oh god.
SPEAKER_03:But I had to have that. Yeah. Yeah. To Die For, which is a great film. Uh The Truman Show. I know her very well from Legally Blonde. She plays the very tough professor who eventually is Elwood's like ally. I could see that. Yeah. The L word, um, Two and a Half Men. I think she plays the mom of the two of them. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I can't say I really watch that film.
SPEAKER_00:I don't, but she's in it enough to where if you've just randomly seen any episode in the time that it would take you to switch to literally anything else, you might see her.
SPEAKER_03:You might see her. Yeah. She also was in the series that came out just this year, Hollywood. She has a pretty significant role in that. Okay. And then also, she's in Bill and Ted Face the Music. So she is in a movie that's like out right now. Wow. So yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That's awesome.
SPEAKER_03:So she is working. Okay, so the last of our actors, um, I am kind of breaking my own rule here because if we brought them up before, I typically don't like go through their resume again. Um actress by the name of Mary Ellen Trainer. She plays Elaine, who is Joan's sister. So we brought her up because she's Mrs. Walsh in the Goonies.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So you can definitely go back to that episode, but I'm gonna be she's no longer with us, and she just, you know, passed too soon of cancer. And so I just wanted to really quickly go through her credits because she had an amazing career, and she is part of like my childhood in some of these films. So, like I said, she's in the Goonies, she's Mrs. Walsh, she's in all the Lethe Weapon movies one through four.
SPEAKER_00:That's an accomplishment.
SPEAKER_03:Right? Yeah, Monster Squad, action Action Jackson.
SPEAKER_00:Action Jackson.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:She's in Die Hard.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Scrooged. She's in Ghostbusters 2. Death Becomes Her. She has a really bit part that's not credited in Forrest Gomb, but she's in Forrest Gomb. And then anywhere but here.
SPEAKER_00:So she's also in a bad movie that was a great book, Congo. Michael. I think that's a Michael Creighton book. Yeah, I think you're right. And it was a really good book, but a bad movie.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. So okay. Film a synapse this time.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Alright, here we go. You ready?
SPEAKER_00:I'm ready.
SPEAKER_03:A Mousie, a romance novelist, sets off for Columbia to ransom her kidnapped sister and soon finds herself in the middle of a dangerous adventure, hunting for treasure with a mercenary rogue.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, that's pretty good. I would say that she wasn't, in fact, going to try to ransom, unless that means to like pay the ransom.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the wording is a little weird.
SPEAKER_00:But that's actually one of the one of the better synopses.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's a little wordy, but it pretty much gives you an idea of what the film is about. I kind of I'm not saying like it's wrong, but I kind of just instinctively. Sounds like you think it's wrong. No, I was just gonna say, I kind of instinctively take issue with the word mousy. I just really hate that they're like making this uh condemnation of her appearance. Um, because really mousy applies strictly to looks. Like you don't say, like, oh, she has a mousy personality. It's always about how a person looks.
SPEAKER_00:What if it uh just said a timid?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I could go with that.
SPEAKER_00:Just from her reaction to those really aggressive New York street vendors.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, I could I could get on board with that. It was just that's the one part that kind of bothers me about it. And we talk about that with our special guest about this, you know, kind of like how characters arc always, at least in the 80s and even well beyond, for women in particular, involves like uh overhaul of how they look.
SPEAKER_00:How am I gonna know that Joan Wilder has grown in this movie unless she suddenly gets hot at the end?
SPEAKER_03:Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:But she does, so I'm like, I know that that everything worked out for her.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, she's she's like in a much better place in her life now because she's now she's like conventionally beautiful. Anyway. So that's kind of that's kind of um where we are with the synopsis. I mean, we now at this point kind of do a deep dive with our guests and we kind of all bring up um you know how we felt about this movie originally watching it. So as for you though, like, you know, we always we always review these films right before we record about them. Yeah. So in this most recent screening of it, did anything new come to mind for you that you hadn't like really noticed before or new opinions about it?
SPEAKER_00:No, I mean I I think it was on recently just on on cable, and so I watched it and I thought, oh man, I really do enjoy this movie. But then watching it again from start to finish, I realized it it perhaps more than a lot of the other 80s movies that we've that we've talked about, it it is a little dated in a lot of like the the music and character interactions, uh it's still fun. Like I still enjoy watching it, and there's still just like weird stuff that happens. Like, I don't know why they made the decision to have that guy say, Look at those snappers every single times. Every single time he's in a scene and there's alligators, look at those snappers. Even when like someone's dying, I think. Yeah, they're the like the threat of death is imminent, and he's like, the snappers. I was very proud of him. Yeah, so there's like fun little like things in it, and I always enjoy the part with uh the little mule and the the car race. Uh so it's not a race, it's a chase.
SPEAKER_03:It's a chase.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so I still I still like it, but I would say that it it feels dated more than a lot of the other movies that we've watched.
SPEAKER_03:That's fair. That's a fair assessment. And I gotta say, like, there's uh actually not really a montage in this movie.
SPEAKER_00:No, there's not. I mean, there's a little bit of a musical bit when they get when they get their uh glow up and start dancing.
SPEAKER_02:Right, right.
SPEAKER_00:Was that in Cartagena?
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_00:That was on the way to Cartagena. That was on the way, yeah. That's what I would name the prequel to this is the road to Cartagena.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, there's really not one to speak of. Um and I think, you know, I'm trying to think about this now when when I do a quick overview of Zemeckis' work, because I think the same could be said for Back to the Future. I don't think there ever was like a montage on that.
SPEAKER_00:No, I don't think there was either. The closest was at the very beginning when he's on the skateboard and yeah, we do bring that up.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's the closest we get. Um I don't think there's like, and now we're moving out of 80s movies, but like I don't think there's like really a montage and force gump.
SPEAKER_00:You heard it here, folks. Oh Robert Zemeckis hates montage.
SPEAKER_03:The only thing I can think of is when he's doing his running bit. Yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_00:That's a pretty solid running on empty montage.
SPEAKER_03:And that's to show like passage. So, okay, so strike that. But but it seems like he kind of, if he can get away with it, he doesn't really he's not really a montage guy. So you heard it here, folks.
SPEAKER_00:Robert Zemekas is very selective with his montage placement.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So I think that uh that brings us to our great conversation with our special guest, Krishna Smithha.
SPEAKER_00:Let's do it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And we are thrilled to have with us today actress, producer, friend, and all-around amazing person, Krishna Smithha. Thank you so much for joining us, Krishna.
SPEAKER_05:Hey guys, I'm so excited to be here.
SPEAKER_03:We are we are so stoked to have you on the show. And this one I think is gonna be real fun because Romancing the Stone has kind of everything in it.
SPEAKER_00:It's you know, like we talk about some movies from the 80s where we're like this movie really kind of like lives separate from the 80s. I don't think I'll say that about romancing the stone. I think 80s.
SPEAKER_06:No, literally, as soon as I turn we turned it on and the the music started, we were like, oh yeah, this is taking us back. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well, we are gonna jump in, because I feel like there's like because it has like so much in it, there's a lot to cover. So I'm gonna jump in and ask, you know. So we're talking about 80s movies, of course. Oh, yeah, we're talking about oh yeah, um, things from our childhood. So I'm curious, what was, if you if you do have like any kind of memory of it, what was your first experience seeing this film and about like how old were you? And what what did you take away from kind of seeing it for that first time?
SPEAKER_05:So yeah, the first time I watched it, I couldn't tell you exactly how old I was. Like I feel like it was it's kind of a blur because it was part, this movie was like one of like many movies that I like watched with my mom. I wouldn't say my parents, but my mom in particular. Like we watched, I watched it on TV. I remember there were so many movies like that, like this one, like that were like fun, um, like fun any sort of adventure or any sort of like mystery or suspense or thriller. Like, you know, my mom loved those types of movies. And so I just remember just like watching those movies with her. And Romancing the Stone was one of them.
SPEAKER_03:And I just remember loving, like I thought Michael Douglas was so cute, and he was great flow, great hair in this movie.
SPEAKER_05:Yes. I mean, there's just like a charm about him. And so I remember just being like, oh, I really like him. And I remember loving Indiana Jones too. And so this was like so reminiscent of that. Like there was just like that fun, like, you know, just adventure thing of it that um that just like really, really struck out to me. And it was just like, and then I think comedies in general, like that was one of the things with uh my parents, like we watching comedies together was just always great. And I guess that's you know, maybe, maybe that's true with all families. It's not just unique to me, but there's just something about feeling like I don't know, just that family bonding time when you're watching something and laughing together. And so um like Shelly Long was like all those Shelly Long movies, like The Money Pit, yeah, and like Hello Again, you know, all those were like big staples in our house and three men and a baby, you know, like just those those things that you could just like laugh out loud together because of like silly moments were just um fun. So that's like watching it, like I watched it again this past week. Um, I was like, oh, it's definitely the nostalgia, it had more nostalgia factor for me than like like if I were to watch it today, like for the first time, I don't know that I would have loved it as much. It's just like reminiscing.
SPEAKER_03:You have so many good points. And I mean, I totally agree with you, and that's something that we discuss kind of a lot on the show is how people respond to these movies if they haven't seen them as a kid.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And I totally agree with you that like it kind of is just, you know, this like place and time experience that you have, and that's what sticks with you. And you just can't replicate that if you're seeing it as an adult in 2020.
SPEAKER_05:No, yeah, we really can't, because my brother-in-law was watching it for the first time, and so it was my sister and I had grown up with it. We're like, oh, it's so good, it's so good, this is like the best movie. And he like, seriously, like I he was rousing me so much with the whole thing. It was like, really, this is so good.
SPEAKER_02:Wait, wait, hang on.
SPEAKER_06:Let's just I just want to pause and make sure this is what you're this is what you're standing to say behind. I was like, it's great, it's so great. Um, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Even just the intro with like the cheesy novel that she's finishing, and then it's gotta be like the stereotypical, like kind of wacky writer with uh like I don't like I only know one writer and she's not like that. Yeah. You don't you don't have sticky notes everywhere. You're not wacky, you're not with like 80 calves, like throwing dishes into the into the damn fireplace when you finish something. Yeah, I know. That's very, very dramatic.
SPEAKER_03:Um I one thing that you brought up that I really love, and I think that this kind of goes hand in hand with what we were just talking about, is how you were mentioning that it these movies, these types of movies, give you a chance to just be with your family and and bond and just have like bonding doesn't have to be this like really kind of like intense emotional type like experience. It could just literally be watching a silly movie on TV and laughing together. And I think that you know that's one thing that maybe attracted Derek and I to wanting to cover movies of this era because you you just brought up like a slew of them. Um, and I feel like you just don't get that anymore.
SPEAKER_05:Um yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally agree with you. It's I I mean, I feel like I don't know, but do we not, or are we just not at that same age, I guess? Because I mean it is the age and era of like Netflix, Netflix and chill, right? Like, and and people, like that's this is like what people do even more so than like maybe even when we were kids, and no commercials in the same well, and yeah, I don't know, it is different because yeah, there was those commercial breaks where we would, you know, like talk about what we just watched and then, or you know, let me go grab a snack real quick. And I mean, I guess you can pause, but um I mean, I don't know. I just I wonder if it's just like a whole new generation that is experiencing it kind of in a different way, of you know, then you're no, you're totally right.
SPEAKER_03:And and you're also correct that you know I think it's probably not going to ever be feasible to take yourself outside of your own experience and your own upbringing to look at something with uh without bias. And I guess like for me, and and I guess I I'll just say, yeah, I'm probably biased, but I feel like these types of movies from this era, the one thing that I love about them is they don't seem to take themselves too seriously. That's like the only thing that, like, even for comedies nowadays, I feel like the stakes are are higher.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's true, that's true. Yeah, yeah. No, that's just my uh the guy got his hand ripped off at the end of this movie. I'm still like that.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I was like, this dude really wants this don't because he just like whilst his hand is bleeding out, and he is.
SPEAKER_03:I was because we just re-watched the, we always do the same thing. Like we re-watched the night before we talked to our guests. And I was like, I I don't know. I feel like the guy would like probably becoming out at this point.
SPEAKER_00:He got that cigar and lit it up and took a puffy fine.
SPEAKER_07:He wrapped up his own arm.
SPEAKER_03:And then Winna, which by the way, I gotta say for this film, I do think that they like really knocked it out of the park with like the names of the characters, like Joan Wilde. She sounds like a novelist.
SPEAKER_02:Like that was a great name for her. And like Jack Colton.
SPEAKER_07:That yeah, totally Colton. So cool.
SPEAKER_03:I love the names, but when at the end, you know, she's like fighting with Zolo. Yes, that's a great name, and and she hits him with that like piece of wood. Yes, he does yell, but I'm like, you just got your hand ripped off by an alligator, and now it's getting hit by people. Like, I feel like that would be like a scream of epic proportions. And so he he's tougher than any of us, I feel, because I would not be thinking about anything but getting myself to a hospital.
SPEAKER_05:No, and I really, yeah, I was so curious actually as to what he was thinking about. Because my sister and I were like, wait, okay, so he just wants to duel. Wait, like, why is he going after her though?
SPEAKER_07:Because what's the purpose at this point? Like, what is he thinking?
SPEAKER_02:He wants vengeance.
SPEAKER_03:He's so vindictive. Because yeah, you're totally right. Like, she obviously does not have the stone. It's in the belly of the like, get yourself to a hospital.
SPEAKER_07:Your arm is ripped off. What is the purpose now in chasing these crazy ladies?
SPEAKER_03:And that's the other thing about um, like, I mean, Derek mentioned it when when it was like happening, like he dies in epic fashion. I mean, he had his hand ripped off and fire.
SPEAKER_07:And then he was on fire. I forgot that moment. Yeah, he was on fire.
SPEAKER_02:And then he goes through the grate and basically gives me good.
unknown:The grate.
SPEAKER_00:So the grate that he falls through is the same grate that they were just rolling all over. Yeah, exactly. Gave way at the like the the most opportune moment that people were standing over all the time when uh they were there the whole time.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, so convenient. It was so convenient. It was very, I mean, there were so many. I actually actually wrote this down. Like, it's funny. Um, don't make fun of me. I did make a couple notes because I was like, I don't want to forget to bring that up. But I was like, that was like laugh out loud moments for all these things that you're right. I think like in a maybe in a movie now would be taken way more seriously of like the guy dying at the beginning, like that was like made into nothing, like her landlord or whoever that he just stabs and then he's dead. And we're like, did someone just die?
SPEAKER_02:Like, and was it supposed to be funny? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It it it I and I do kind of like I that's another thing that we can like, there's all these like rap full conversations that we can have, but like that's another thing that comes up a lot in our conversations are these uh instances in 80s films where it's like it's I mean, romance and stuff, I'm looking at it right now.
SPEAKER_00:It is a PG movie, and and her 80-year-old neighbor is talking about why she doesn't use the elevator because of all the raping.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, that was a lie in that just and so this is absolutely meant to be a family movie, and there's all of these like really adult uh content moments that I also really enjoyed the one stab death, like one stab from like a polish knife, yeah, and the guy just done.
SPEAKER_07:He just went down. That was it. It was a really small knife, you're right, which is why I was like, did he die? Is that what just happened?
SPEAKER_00:Like maybe he just had his own thing going on, he just had enough. Yeah, maybe he just cut out, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I I and then the fact that her brother-in-law was like chopped into pieces and was like said so like off-handedly, it's like, well, they found a part of him. And I'm like, wait, what? Is that what?
SPEAKER_03:Oh no, you're totally all these throwaway lines where I'm like, did I just hear that? Like making one a prequel. Yeah, and they don't really like so obviously the Zolo. Yeah, he's the one who did it. He's a real bad guy. Yeah, he's who did it. And I feel like, I mean, I guess, you know, there's like I feel like there's more than the map at stake. Was there some kind of they don't really, I feel, clarify what went down.
SPEAKER_00:I thought it would have been good for the end credits to have a Marvel connection, and it's actually an infinity stone.
SPEAKER_03:You know, that would be incredible foresight on their part.
SPEAKER_00:We're not gonna talk about that, but it's so bad. It's really bad.
SPEAKER_03:And it's a little unfortunate because they got all of those actors to come back for, you know, I do want to concentrate on romancing the stone, but you know, that says something where they get all the actors back to be in the sequel, and it like there's definitely a drop-off.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it just didn't have the same, although, yeah, and again, focusing on romance and the stone, but I just a side note, I guess I was I was doing a little research on that too. I was just like reading articles um and watching interviews of them, like from that from the day. And apparently, Michael, they had to sue Kathleen Turner to come back to the movie.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't know.
SPEAKER_05:She was supposed to do that. He was supposed to do something else, like and but they were like, You have a contract, like you signed a contract. And Michael Douglas was the producer, so he was the one who had to like make that call. And um, yeah, so she was there kind of against her. Yeah, it's this it's so funny because they came back together again for the War of the Roses. Exactly. Yeah, so you know they had a great relationship, and she's coming back for the Kaminsky method now, and so you know that this great and yeah, yeah, she's gonna play his ex-wife in one of the episodes this season. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Wow, okay, definitely I I watched the first season. I kind of wasn't feeling compelled enough to watch the second, but now I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_05:I didn't love the show, but I loved I love those, I love Alan Arkin and I love Michael Douglas. Like I thought they had such great, but there was I agree, I wasn't totally vibing, but then I heard that, and Danny DeVito, I love him obviously too, and then I was like, oh, I'm gonna definitely have to see that. Star of Romancing the Stone.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Star Roman the Stone. Danny DeVito front and center.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, when I look it up on the picture that I see is Danny DeVito on a phone.
SPEAKER_03:So which that, you know, that brings uh I just really quickly wanted to bring up because when you were talking about like how you had like laugh out loud moments watching the movie, the one that like, and again, it's this like idea of like just not taking itself too seriously, is when DeVito sees a picture of like you know, wanted um oh yeah, posting of himself, and he goes to grab it and just like falls off the couch.
SPEAKER_02:Like, I just love that kind of stuff. I think it's hilarious.
SPEAKER_05:And yeah, yeah, it's so fun, and it's like such like fun. Like, I love I agree. I love physical comedy so much, and that's I agree. Like, it's just so fun when they do that kind of thing.
SPEAKER_00:I do have one question about Joan Wilder and her apartment before it was ransacked. Why does she have so many tiny bottles of alcohol for someone that never travels?
SPEAKER_06:She really looks like an alcoholic. And we know she's not supposed to be, she's supposed to be like this mousey, like nobody. She's not supposed to be an alcoholic, but that definitely reads alcoholic.
SPEAKER_00:That's when you have like a collection of mini bottles, that's uh that's like something you'd see in that show intervention. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:No, and that's the other thing too. And I feel like it's like so 80s-ish because I do feel like now you would have people catching these things, but like, you know, you get a full layout of her apartment because she walks the entire length of it when she's trying to find tissues. And so you see the apartment, they make it really clear that it's gotten ransacked. And then once she realizes that like she needs to go to Columbia to help her sister, when she's in that final scene with her editor, she like she really cleaned up that apartment pretty quickly because it's all back in order.
SPEAKER_06:Um, I guess it's not too urgent since you took the time to roll away, just tidy up medical maid service, whatever that was.
SPEAKER_00:I think she I think she had someone come over and help out. That's what I think. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It was Holland Taylor. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Holland Taylor helped her out. But I I love that. And I don't know if um, like, because you mentioned that you had been doing some research, and I I think that's fascinating about how they had to get um, like kind of by force, Kathleen Turner back. Because I mean, I I will say this um Jewel of the Nile, I think it just comes out like a year later. So they really fast tracked it.
SPEAKER_05:And they did that, yeah. They were doing that with a lot of those movies too. Like, like I remember Police Academy, like once it hit, like they were like they have like five sequels in like three years. Like compendium. They like did not like we think like people don't waste time now. We're like, man, people are just rebooting and just trying to like make up and buck off. But like that's what they were doing. They were like, okay, this this hit. Like, let's let's let's act now. Like fast, fast, fast.
SPEAKER_00:Like, do you think they could do a police academy now? I don't. There's a ton of movies they can't do now. Yeah, no, police academy's ineptitude would not go over well.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, yeah, especially that. I was thinking, yeah, yeah, that's so true. Yeah, no.
SPEAKER_03:I was thinking you and I, Krishna, were probably thinking more the like really crass comedy.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, like all the sex, like yeah, all the crass comedy, like so much of it is like doesn't play real well anymore.
SPEAKER_00:But yeah, almost nothing in those movies that could work. Yeah, that could work.
SPEAKER_05:There was just like all this unnecessary nudity, like it was just like what is happening?
SPEAKER_07:Isn't this like a comedy? Like, what's going on?
SPEAKER_00:I think it's settled. We're gonna reboot Police Academy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think that's mad.
SPEAKER_06:This episode was the episode where the idea was it sparked.
SPEAKER_03:Um, so one thing that you brought up that I do feel is a little bit of the elephant in the room is Raiders of the Lost Ark. Oh, okay. And and the comparisons that are often made. So I'm curious when when you were younger, did is that a film that also you were privy to as a kid? Or did you do you remember were you introduced to Romancing the Stone first? Or how'd that come out?
SPEAKER_05:If I'm being honest, I don't remember what came first. Like we were, we were a T okay, you guys, we were like a TV family, that's for sure. Like we watched, I watched so much TV growing up. It's like insane. People, I mean, I I would record TV when I wasn't home to watch it later.
SPEAKER_07:Like I watched so much TV. Um, yeah, that c that clocks. Um now I don't watch TV at all because it's just it's so overwhelming because there's so much.
SPEAKER_05:But I but when I was a kid, it was like I was just like, I just loved it. So like every time there was a movie on TV, like, you know, they would always like play those movies, like, you know, in the evenings, and I would like record, record all those movies. And so we have like a VHS library, all these like movies recorded from TV. And um eight-hour VHS tapes, and then you have a table that has like all the different yeah for all the different Fresh Prince of Bel Air episodes Monday through Thursday, and then yeah, and then Writers of the Lost Art came on Thursday night, whatever, you know, like all everything that came on. And so like there were so many of those movies. And and so like Indiana Jones was also one of those movies um that came out um, you know, early in the 80s, and I I watched on TV many years a few years later in the late 80s, and um, and so I don't remember what came first because they all kind of blur together, but I I do know that um I loved Romancing the Stone, I really did like it, but I was obsessed with Indiana Jones, so I definitely like clung on. There was something about those movies that was different than this movie. This was like fun, and I remember it with like fondly, but Indiana Jones like was like I loved it.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, I find it really interesting. First of all, okay, I'm gonna when you were talking about recording shows, I little sidebar. Um I at one point in time was obsessed with a different world.
SPEAKER_06:Oh my god, yes.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean it's a great show. And yeah, it's a great show. I like it was like already in syndication, and um and so I knew that it was gonna be on at a certain time every afternoon. And I I don't know if I had like an after-school activity or whatever it was, but I'd always make sure I taped it so that when I got home I could I could watch it. Well, one time I forgot, and I mean it was just so so stupid to be quite honest. But but nowadays, like it's not like you know, on Netflix where you can go to any episode at any time that you want, like you don't know when that episode is gonna air again. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:The most stressful part of setting up those kinds of recordings where you're programming the VCR to start at a certain time, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Then you end up with like an hour of bullshit. You're like, what is this even? Oh, I forgot to tweak this.
SPEAKER_03:But I remember being beside myself that I had forgotten and calling my best friend and literally crying. And I remember her not understanding at all. I was so upset. She was a great friend.
SPEAKER_02:She really tried to talk me through.
SPEAKER_00:How are you gonna track that episode down? Are you gonna look look it up in the TV guide printed admission and find the episode name?
SPEAKER_03:It was so ridiculous. I just the only reason I bring that up is because I totally get you.
SPEAKER_05:Like where like it was it was a big deal. So then you would watch the next week and then it would be like, oh, it's totally no, you know what? This is a different, I don't know what happened last week, and oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03:And I don't think, like, kind of again making that comparison between you know Raiders in well, yeah, we'll get we'll get back to that. We'll get back to that, but like just the era of like TV watching. Um, I don't think you know, today's youngins understand. Holy shit. No, you're right. Yeah, the that little task fear and anxiety of like missing a show because you really didn't know when it was going to air again.
SPEAKER_06:No, or or like the tape running out, like after the show ended, and then you're like, no, yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_00:There's so many things that it it actually sucked. Like this, even though it's overwhelming as far as the amount of content, I love the fact that, like, oh, I missed watching this, I can just watch it on demand or on like the app, or if I get really desperate, I will just go sail the seven seas. Do you know what that means, Krishna? No, no, I do not know. I'll just pirate it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, got it insider lingo.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he said that to me the other day. I was like, you're gonna what?
SPEAKER_05:I what when what it came into my head was like, I'm gonna search all over the world. Like a Google's like a Google search.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna get a yacht.
SPEAKER_02:That's fair.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna get a yacht like Jack Colton, like Jack T. Colton, who if I'm gonna compare Jack T. Colton and Indiana Jones, there are obviously a lot of comparisons, but I will say that Jack T. Colton was kind of like the chiller version of Indy because there's no way indie is just gonna hang out in a plane smoking literal bricks of marijuana.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no, he's not it is interesting though, the comparisons. And I mean, in the research that I did, um it it was kind of uh what's the word I'm looking for? I don't know, disproven? I don't think that's maybe that is the word. That is a word that that like romancing the stone was a ripoff of indie. Like the script was already um, you know, existing and in the world prior to Raiders coming out. Sure. Um so it's definitely not a rip-off. I will say this though, is that it's curious to me that I mean they're look, the stories are different. I mean, yes, they're both kind of going after some kind of like treasure, so to speak.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, sure. But that's like every adventure movie, too.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, exactly. And so the stories are different enough, and I don't have any problem with there being like the love story component. That's pretty much powerful, of course. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, like, so so that's not a problem. The only thing that I'm like kind of like scratching my head about is that, okay, so Romancing the Stone came out three years later, and I would say that like maybe they could have made different choices in terms of how they like had Jack first appear because it's very similar. It is, it's very similar to the initial appearance of Indy, where like taking a whip out and knocked the gun out of Lily.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And so it's like I kind of feel like they were like intentionally making this like comparison or throwback to Indy.
SPEAKER_05:And I don't know if that was like maybe maybe it was like was it like a love or because I know Robert Zemeckis and Steven Spielberg had worked together. Yeah, and you know, like I they and so they were friends, and so there was definitely some sort of like you know, I think relationship and camaraderie there of like, oh, and he like named he named the boat Orca, yeah, yeah. Orca, like from Jaws. And so like there is, I I I wonder if it was like just like a nod, like a tip of the hat versus like a rip-off. But you know what?
SPEAKER_03:If between filmmakers they're cool, then I you know I can't complain. But I just that was the only thing that I was like, that's so reminiscent, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I feel like they were trying to make what maybe they thought was a more realistic version of an indie character where when he tried to swing across that that canyon, he just slams into the side.
SPEAKER_06:Like she actually makes it, and then he's like, What?
SPEAKER_00:She makes it and instantly pulls out those little bottles of liquid.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, going back to the whole being an alcoholic, that was one thing that was like I love it.
SPEAKER_06:She's like, I need a drink. I I left all my luggage behind, but I have these little alcohol bottles close to my heart.
SPEAKER_03:She's not even like the least bit interested in seeing if Jack is okay, if he's not down, if any of these things, she's just like very focused on needing to open this like mini. And I did love that.
SPEAKER_06:I did actually love that he's the one who was like, You don't even check to see if I was okay. It was like, it's usually the opposite. I was like, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_03:That I actually like that they acknowledge those things. Like, I think that actually makes it for a funnier film where you're like, you didn't even care. Like, I love that that's that's part of the consciousness of the characters. Right, right. But I mean, I I think that like, you know, to kind of wrap up the whole indie part of it, there yes, there's definitely comparisons that could be made, but they are very different movies. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:They are. There's they're they're different. Like, I if if I have to compare, I mean, I guess you just I mean, I just feels like there's just more. I mean, Indiana Jones is pretty light and fluffy too, but I don't know. This this feels even lighter and fluffier, you know. There, I don't I feel like we never really get in. Like the there's just more mystery in like finding the ark was like always like, and then it took us to here, to here, to here, or or what were we looking for? It was the ark, right? Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Raiders of the lost ark, the first one. And then, but this one, I mean, I was just like, they saw the cactus or that big tree, and then and then they saw the waterfall, and she was like, Look, and then they found the stone. I was like, really?
SPEAKER_07:That's that's the big that's like I swear I remembered more of like uh an adventure, but I guess that's just like my child mind, you know, my nostalgia mind remembering that.
SPEAKER_05:But I was like, I swear I thought it was like more of a mystery. Like they found it so quickly, and there was like very little actual like, you know, problem solving to find it. Like it was more of the relationship. The the focus was more on the relationship, I guess.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they they I mean, mother's milk, what's that? Oh, there it is. Okay, I'm gonna dig. Okay, oh, it's a priceless uh statue. No, it's a buddy. Oh, just break it open. Yeah, yeah.
unknown:I know.
SPEAKER_02:That was like maybe 30 seconds of the film. Yeah, that seemed real fast. I know.
SPEAKER_05:She was like, look, Jack, it makes a heart. And it's like, what how did you what bad magazine thing?
SPEAKER_03:Which actually, I guess they got like a real kind of like uh map maker to make that map. Like they really actually went through their due diligence to to make it authentic.
SPEAKER_00:It was all the scale, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But you're right, Krishna, you're right that Raiders definitely the I think the the bigger storyline is this hunt and and making it somewhat difficult. You know, there's like they're digging in the wrong spot and all these kinds of things, and and it's the wrong the staff is the wrong height, and all these so so that was really the focus. Whereas I think I think you're spot on with romancing the stone. Like Derek said, it's in the title. So, really the secondary plot is them finding it, and really it is about the relationship. I mean, that's yeah, and that too.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, that's technically, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Mrs. Walsh from The Goonies.
SPEAKER_00:I would have enjoyed it if Raiders of the Lost Ark had instead been called romancing the headpiece of the staff of raw.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, okay, it doesn't really flow.
SPEAKER_07:Great breakout for Harrison Ford.
SPEAKER_03:Well, one thing that you you like had said in passing that I'm really like curious your thoughts on is you mentioned the fact that like at the beginning of the film, she's this like mousey novelist. And I gotta say, like before it actually became a joke, I think it like kind of hit joke status when she she's all that came out.
SPEAKER_06:And oh yeah, you know where I'm going with this. Yeah, totally, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And like where she's obviously a beautiful, like a very conventionally beautiful young woman, and she's just wearing glasses.
SPEAKER_05:And her hair is up in the button, and her hair isn't a messy button, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Possibly an oversized.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my gosh, she's so mousy, like exactly, and she's wearing overalls, I think, with paint on them, and she saw that when you first see her. So awkward. Yeah, and so like one thing that I found was really funny is you know, again, in kind of just like looking over different aspects of Romancing the Stone, they thought it seemed to me at least that they thought it was this like really great kind of like subliminal messaging that they were putting through that like as she as her character Joan Wilder progresses through the film, she you know, literally lets her hair down.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, she turns and she literally and and her clothes, she gets less and less cloth, she has like less clothes and it's like more.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, so what'd you say, Derek? Her her dress kind of like rips at one point where they're walking, and and like you see that Jack sees a bit of leg, and he just is like, oh my god, I'm I'm just stunned by this leg.
SPEAKER_03:I think he literally licks his lips.
SPEAKER_05:We did we did pause the movie there, and that was one of the moments that Teach was like, so are we gonna are we gonna call that what it is? That was creepy. That was creepy, right?
SPEAKER_07:He was like, do not tell me that you think that was sexy. And I was like, I mean, no.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I I first of all, I really love your brother-in-law. He really called calls him like he's uh and he's not wrong. And yeah, I mean, look, you do again, I think, have to look at these films through the context of it being in the context of right, right.
SPEAKER_05:It was like in the moment, none of us ever questioned it in that moment. You know, that's so funny to think back, like watching all this stuff now of like what holds up and what doesn't, and like of all the things we just like didn't question and like just like took for granted. Like, I mean, I will say, I mean, this is a random turn. Like, I literally, you guys, I never questioned the idea of like inclusivity or like diversity. Like, I grew up like as like I said, like a TV addict of watching all these shows like all through the 80s and 90s that were all predominantly white, predominantly like through the male gaze, and always identifying with them and always like and never questioning that this wasn't the way that you view the world. And so, you know, it's it's not crazy, I feel like, when people say, Well, that's just locker room talk or whatever, because it's like for so long we've been brainwashed to see the world only this way and not even realize until like all of a sudden when people started saying, and then it was amazing. Like I remember seeing, like seeing some shows now, and like and and all of a sudden, like there's like my heart, like I didn't even realize there was like a part of my heart that like opened up, like in a new way of like seeing myself on screen, like seeing like people of color, and you know, and and and all of a sudden like feeling that. And so it's just it's funny how we never like it's like seeing it now through a different lens, but in that time, like watching it at that moment, like we I didn't see it, it just felt normal. It just felt like this is the thing, and this is this is the way I'm supposed to feel, and I'm supposed to feel good that now like he thinks that she's sexy because she's letting her hair down, and that's what that's what sexy looks like. And you know, it's it's it's so funny to like recognize it now, but in that moment, yeah, no, it was it was just so accepted. Like I never questioned it.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, uh you just really beautifully articulated um some really great points, and I'm curious if you don't mind me asking, um you know, given the fact that like you said that like you're a TV family and that that was like a big source of like kind of like together time, was it ever something that like did your parents ever kind of have any conversations with you about representation or diversity or anything along those lines? Or was it just for them as well? Like, well, this is what the world is right now, and so this is what we get to watch.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, no, we didn't. We never had those conversations. Um, it was it was like just taken accepted. I mean, you know, there were immigrants who came to America, and so you just like, this is America, you know, like why would we see ourselves here? Like we watched, I mean, our TV didn't just revolve around American television and movies either. It also was um Indian, like we watched Indian movies all the time too. So we we watched, you know, like other stuff and um like our own. If we wanted to watch like Indian people, like we watched Indian movies, and then if we want to watch American people, like we watched American stuff. But like it was I mean it yeah, it's just so interesting because yeah, because they're immigrants, but I'm a first generation like American, and so it's like it is it is two different things, and so um I still don't know that they necessarily even they're like, oh, that's cool. They see inclusivity and diversity as cool for me because I'm in this industry that opens up more doors for me, but it doesn't necessarily they don't at least it doesn't seem like it. Um they don't and and they always get excited to like celebrate when like you know they're like oh look, it's an Indian person getting recognition, that's cool. But um it it it doesn't necessarily feel like it's it's made them more like wow, you know, like I don't know, yeah. I just I don't I don't feel like that was like a big deal to them and they didn't they it didn't seem they didn't seem to care that much, I guess, you know, in that way.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I mean, and I can't, you know, I can't make any assumptions for experience I haven't had, but like I think that it probably does go back to just what they maybe accepted at that point in time of what was what was quote normal. But it it's it's sad because like you know, one one of the things that you said in reference to like um you know US-based entertainment is like, oh well that's that's just America, but it's like America is not just white people, like it's now then ever. And so like in it that that's why like when we talk about these films, um, and I know this isn't again the film that we're talking about today, but then when you do have opportunities to have someone of color in a film, like look, I I do love the the Indiana Jones films, but it's always been a really hard thing for me to kind of like justify the depiction of the Indian characters in the Temple of Doom. Right, right. And so like it's a really hard yeah, and and that's part of it too. It's like when when there were opportunities to like granted, I feel like there there's some I think that there's some dignity given to the elder gentleman in the in the village, you know. I think he's depicted um in in a respectful way, but that's kind of the outlier, to be quite honest. Um, right.
SPEAKER_05:It's still the white savior trope of like he's coming to save they couldn't save themselves, they needed him to come and save them and their village, you know, and it's it's putting them in the oh, the victim mentality, you know, regardless.
SPEAKER_03:No, totally.
SPEAKER_00:And it's we talked about this actually also with um Big Trouble in Little China, that yeah, you know, it's it's this weird push and pull because it's like there's a lot of stereotypes, there's a lot of damaging stereotypes that are that are perpetuated in that movie, and at the same time it's interesting in that the actual like real hero of this of that story isn't true, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02:Major difference, major difference, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That's an interesting example, but I think overall, like like you've both mentioned in in the 80s in that era, uh you know, you would generally just see white movies for white people, and to the extent that you saw any diversity, they were often individuals. Yeah, who were placed with these caricature stereotypes of who like white things that they should act like.
SPEAKER_05:Right, even like yeah, romance, bringing it back to romancing the stone, like looking at like all the Colombians, you know, like all the different right, all like these stereotypes, and the only ones that are really are just like Jack and Jack and Joan. Everybody else around them is like kind of a goofy.
SPEAKER_00:And like the South American country must be this like ramshackle, like set of buses.
SPEAKER_03:And they're all drug dealers and they're walking through the village, and the guys are all my gosh.
SPEAKER_00:I bet there's just like a major city in Columbia somewhere that just looks kind of like anywhere.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, so it's this really kind of um frustrating uh dynamic where you know these films that have opportunities to or they had opportunities to have people color the film and and and then that's the approach that they take with them.
SPEAKER_00:So I look at those movies kind of like for what they are, and we we see like such a huge difference because of what is available now. Yeah and right, exactly like the byproducts of just how much content there is out there is that it's opened up so many more doors and there are so many different stories being told. And because we're able to see that now, it you know, you can more clearly see a movie like Romancing the Stone for like what it was. So I I'm I'm glad that people who are growing up watching movies and TV now, their their new baseline will be what we see, where there's a lot more totally different thing with and growing up with a different sort of brainwashing, I suppose.
SPEAKER_05:Um but yeah, it is. It's it's it's hard. It is so hard because I think that is a thing, is like we want to judge all these movies from then, like according to today's standards. And I really don't think we can, you know, like we just we were who we were then. Like even we like you know, like the people who now are standing up and saying, Me too. There was a time when we were like, you know, we we didn't say that, you know. It's like we just accepted it, and it's like, and it's so it's like it's it's it's a growth, it's a growth on both ends together. It's like we were I wasn't ever calling it out, I never even noticed at the time. So, how is it fair for me to say if I wasn't noticing it that you know that the other people who were also equally enmeshed in it shouldn't have should have noticed it, you know? It's it's it's a growth process, I think. And it it is it's the reason we can't, you know, I think it it doesn't necessarily like you can't watch it now with the same same eyes. And so people who watch it now, like my brother-in-law, for example, it's like no. Yeah, versus if you can just like keep it in within the context of what it was made and not take it too seriously and you know recognize its shortcomings, but not necessarily like be like, well, yeah, it's a product of its times, you know.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, for no, it's really well said for what it's worth at the end when Jack is trying to decide am I gonna try to like pull this alligator back up and get the get the or am I gonna save uh Joan Wilder? And he's like, I'll okay, okay, I'll save her, I'll let go of the snapper. And he he completely blows it, he tries to fire off a gun that either is just out of ammo or is jammed. Meanwhile, she kind of handles it. She handles it. That is the one thing I love. I mean, not the one thing I love, but I love that. Yeah, she beats his stump and lets him on your and dispatches him. And by the time he comes up, she's like, Yeah, I'm fine.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, she did not need him to rescue her. She she takes care of it.
SPEAKER_00:Which is also like her book in the opening where it's so true.
SPEAKER_05:Angelina takes care of herself. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Angelina. Angelina.
SPEAKER_05:That's right.
SPEAKER_03:Angelina, the hero in the you know, and one thing that I didn't even realize, I'm like, oh, I hate when I miss these little callbacks. But like, I guess um, you know, in the beginning of the film when when the narration is happening over the action of the book, um, and they talk about the like the bad guys, like, how do you want to die? Slow, like such and such, or like my lastes in January. Yeah. And and then Zolo says that to her at the end. He's like, How do you want to die? I didn't pick that up either. And he's like, Oh, I didn't pick that up either. That's so funny. Either. And but he's like slow like a snail or fast like a shooting star.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my gosh. And oh, I wonder that's so funny.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And I was like, Oh, I I totally missed that. All these different viewings of the film, but that's crazy. But that's kind of fun then, because then you like you pick something up new every time you watch it. But that apparently um so I guess and and I'm I'm happy with the way that the film turned out, all things considered that we just talked about. Um I guess though, like one of like at one of the earlier screenings, it really did poorly. I don't know if you had come across this information, Krishna, that um it just like, yeah, wasn't wasn't received well, and it was like so bad that I guess that they took like Zemeckis was supposed to um direct cocoon, they took him off because they just thought that we were gonna fly. And and so he did, I'm I'm surprised he got like the additional funds to do so, but apparently like he made all the first of all, he made a lot of changes in the editing room. And so he brought down the the length of the film, but then also he reshot a lot of um things. Like last night, um, after we were done watching the movie, Derek, I don't know if you realize this, but like cause so Krishna, we were watching like some deleted scenes.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, I know. I oh cool.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and so one of the deleted scenes that we were watching was essentially the same conversation that Jack and Joan have inside of the airplane where like among some of the things that they talk about, you know, he's like, You haven't even asked my name and things like that. And instead, they're having this conversation just like in the jungle. And and so I guess they reshot that to provide like a little bit more of a framework for their relationship and more of like an intimacy in in that conversation. Yeah. And so I thought that was really interesting because I do think like that was probably very much needed. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I agree. I think that is that that that was a smart thing to do. And then the other thing I also read that they also added was um that whole beginning part in her apartment. He he shot that after after he got the feedback to set up more of like a contrast because to see like her journeyed from like what she was into what she becomes. And so I think all that I I agree because I wanted even more of that, honestly. Like after watching it this this go around. Um, I was like, I just I I see I see her turning, but I just felt like I just wanted more. I don't know now, because I, you know, now I guess now because I'm an actor or whatever, I was just like, oh, I just want to see more of how she she becomes this person, or you know, I just want to see more and more. And I just love those moments, like that plane moment. I love it. Like it's like they just have such a spark. They're like their chemist, their chemistry, on-screen chemistry, I just like love them. And um, so like the moment like in the in you know, their dancing and this, I just wanted more of that to just kind of see it, you know, and maybe more more bickering. I don't know. I like I just I just thought like those were needed. What'd you say? You you did not want more? More dancing. More dancing.
SPEAKER_07:I was like great actors, but can we just talk for just one second though about like the awkward like hotel like bed scene?
SPEAKER_02:Awkward position.
SPEAKER_07:I was like, what is going on?
SPEAKER_00:Baroness Michael Douglas in between.
SPEAKER_03:This is a PG movie. And and when we were watching, and like, look, we're not prudes by any means, but like we're watching this scene. I'm like, it's really uncomfortable that like he's just literally still between our legs.
SPEAKER_01:And everybody's gonna pan down a little bit.
SPEAKER_03:What did you say, Krishna?
SPEAKER_07:It's like it's just like so like odd. It was like, is this how people normally just have conversations in bed?
SPEAKER_03:Like versus like, I'm like, uh if we're in just like a post-intimate moment with them, uh like I actually think kind of the go-to where they're both like laying side by side is kind of the more comfortable way to converse.
SPEAKER_00:Um I'm still on top of you. Let's talk about your sister and the kidnapping.
SPEAKER_06:Like you can tell it's like they're just like we want a beautiful shot, but you need to cover up these two spots. Yeah, just make sure like nothing is seen. So let's just and how long can you hold it? Because it looked like I was like, I swear. He's like, he's like, I bet you his like muscles are shaking under there. He's like, okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03:Just that's hilarious. Because you know what? That's actually what goes through my head when I see those things. Like when I know that probably there's like a no-nudity close, uh, what is it called? Um clause, thank you. Um, yeah. When I know that for for male or female, um, that that you know, that's not gonna happen in the film. I'm always like really attuned to basically the choreography of how they move in that scene. Cause it's like they have to be so uh deliberate with making sure that the bits and pieces are not shown.
SPEAKER_00:I wonder what the rules were back then compared. I feel like they that has actually come forward a little bit since the eighties as far as like Number of people that can be on set and specific people that have to be there to observe what's going on. I don't know if they had that in 84.
SPEAKER_03:Now you would have an interesting.
SPEAKER_05:No, because there I feel like there was tons of nudity like in the 80s.
SPEAKER_00:Like oh yeah.
SPEAKER_05:You know, I'm just thinking about all those like fun romp movies of like, I was just like, Oh, there's there's the nudity, like you know, like one just was that necessary?
SPEAKER_03:No, typically boobs. Typically just typically just boobs. Yeah. But like you said, it has been a long time since I've seen a police academy movie, but like I feel like that was a series where that was perhaps. I mean, obviously, like Revenge of the Nerds.
SPEAKER_05:Crocodile Dundee. I remember Crocodile Dundee.
SPEAKER_03:Man, yeah. 80s really went for it with like just the gratuitous boobage. Um, you know what? I I don't know if it's because at this point in time. Well, Kathleen Turner, to be quite honest, was like really kind of in the beginning stages of her career at this point.
SPEAKER_05:So um and she had done like body heat, which was I haven't seen body heat, but I know that's like a super sexy, like, you know, she was like a sexy movie.
SPEAKER_03:That's the word I was gonna see. And yeah, I don't think I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. Yeah, so so I'm not sure what what is uh shown in that movie. But um, but you know what I will say this much though, like as much as we were just talking about all the gratuitous what have you, and and your brother-in-law is completely right. It is a creepy moment when Jack is like eyeing her and he sees like the luggage, but like it is somewhat innocent. I'm gonna lick my lips. It is innocent. Actually, what is more um like I noticed this in the very opening, like, not to be sound like a creeper, but like while they're showing the scenes from her book, I mean the woman's wearing like a sopping wet white, yeah, very thin shirt, and you can very much see what's underneath it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So I was like, I was like, oh wow, I don't remember that from like being a kid.
SPEAKER_00:And I wonder if they didn't show that on TBS or TF.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, you're right. I bet you I missed a lot of that stuff like on TV, again, family friendly. Like it just all that just like went over my head and I didn't. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:They still had the uh the bricks a pot scene, which at the time I didn't understand why that was my dad's favorite scene.
SPEAKER_03:Well, when he was like, I mean, when when I I think the first, I mean, definitely last night was not the first time I realized that they were bricks a pot, but um like when when they were throwing when he was throwing them onto the fire, I was like, you would just absolutely be passed out.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, if you're like inhaling, yeah, you would be that uh Michigan cop who called 911 and calling and just say, like, I think I'm dead.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. I mean, that's like, yeah, I think that was the first time too for me. I didn't realize that. Like, I I thought they just passed out from being tired and they had drunk like since they had a couple of bottles of whatever that they were drinking.
SPEAKER_06:But yeah, and then I was like, oh yeah, that oh, got it.
SPEAKER_00:Like those copious amounts of copious.
SPEAKER_04:Totally did not get that. Yeah, yeah, it's so funny. I went to college, yeah. She was I went to college. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That that actually kind of brings it back to like what we were talking about before, where I mean, look, again, it's a product of its time. I think that what I hope we're moving past in terms of because like, look, a big part of her arc, sure, it's her becoming more adventurous, but also there's a very like noticeable change in appearance. And I think that like I hope we're past this point where her look, she was well within her right when she first landed in Colombia to be kind of like, I don't know what words you want to call it, uptight, high strung. Like, she doesn't speak the language, doesn't know where she's gonna be.
SPEAKER_00:Her sister was gonna be killed.
SPEAKER_05:Her sister was her brother-in-law was found in pieces, and yeah, and she's been summoned here by kidnappers, so yeah, you're right, a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_00:Like she just wanted to find the hotel Cartagena in Cartagena.
SPEAKER_03:I love that that's the choice they make of a hotel name. But uh, like just to really put like put a fine point on it. Hotel Cartagena in Cartagena.
SPEAKER_00:Where is it at?
SPEAKER_03:Am I saying it wrong?
SPEAKER_00:No, you're saying it right?
SPEAKER_03:I thought I was saying it. Anyway, yeah, no, I just I do I do have a track record of saying words wrong.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, yeah, we do, we too. I have a track record of saying like names wrong. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Jack said Cartagenia.
SPEAKER_03:Cartagena.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But so I like I do love that she kind of finds this like uh sense of strength in herself. And and that's part of her journey, but it is just, I guess I'll say like annoying. And and like to your point, like I wasn't really probably thinking about it as a kid at all. I probably was thinking like, oh, she looks so pretty at the end, you know, or something like that.
SPEAKER_05:It's it's so subconscious, right? It's it's literally brainwashing, right? You're not thinking about it, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly. And you know, it's just again, you know, we could be redundant on this point, but like product of its times. But I I I think we are thankfully in many, many ways moving past like the woman's appearance being part of like her quote change, and it's more of like an internal emotional, uh, you know, intellectual type thing. But I will say that for its time, the fact that like she didn't have to have Jack rescue her, it was like a huge, huge win for the film. Like, and the fact that it was, you know, I love that Robert Zemakis made that choice that she didn't need him. So I love that about the film. And and so in a teensy tinsy way, it's actually pretty pro progressive. For that time, I think so too.
SPEAKER_00:I think it is. There's no there's no greater illustration of this contrast between her pre like the beginning of the movie and the end of the movie than how she dealt with all of the aggressive uh guys selling crap on the sidewalk. She's so frazzled and harassed in the beginning, and then she's just walking by like, ah, get away.
SPEAKER_03:That actually is really a pretty pretty appropriate place to bring the conversation because we're probably coming to the end of our this amazing conversation. Um so at the end, no, so Derek's bringing up her very uh casually brushing off all the very aggressive street vendors that are are approaching her. But okay, so this boat, I gotta ask you, and maybe ask your brother-in-law. This boat that is parked on a street in New York City. I mean, I I think last night was the first time I was like, What? Why, why on so many levels, why is this happening?
SPEAKER_06:We were like, we were, we definitely made a moment.
SPEAKER_05:We he uh he actually did make a comment. He was like, no, but why is the he was like, okay, so boat is parked there. Maybe that's the way people park it. Like if you if you're gonna drive a boat through town because you have to deliver it or something, but he was like, but the mass doesn't have to be full up.
SPEAKER_07:Like it doesn't have to be full up. That could be down. Like, why? That has to be a driving hazard.
SPEAKER_06:And then they're like making out, and then he starts going. And I'm like, who's driving? Who's driving this thing?
SPEAKER_07:Does he have an assistant, like a helper?
SPEAKER_00:Like because if you believe that you can transport a boat in that way, I feel like can you have passengers on the boat then though? Yeah, yeah. There, yeah, that good point.
SPEAKER_03:So many things are just complete, and like again, I to me, in a way, it's endearing because I feel like it's a rom com it's a it's a rom-com and it's a very 80s way to end a movie. Right.
SPEAKER_07:It takes you right back, it takes you right back, and you're like, Oh, I remember where I am.
SPEAKER_03:But everything that you said is completely spot on. Why is the boat there? First of all, the Angelina, the Angelina, um Angelina, and and it does say Columbia, so I'm guessing like so. I don't I don't really know anything about boats, but if you have like it does seem like boats typically have like a country under the name, and so does that mean that that's where like the boat was like wanted from?
SPEAKER_00:I don't really understand how let's say that he he acquired the stone, somehow traded it for a lot of money. Sure. And then made those really cool crocodile boots.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, those those boots are banging.
SPEAKER_00:Properly registered the boat in Columbia, has all the documentation because he probably needed that to get it into New York.
SPEAKER_03:Well, that's my point, is that like again, like I know this is just for much of a deep dive for romance in the stone, but like, but it doesn't even make sense to me. Okay, so you get this money from the stone, which actually, like, I hope he also was investing some of that money because I feel like that stone was worth more than just that boat. It was priceless. Right, right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:No, wait, that was the statue.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, that was the priceless big statue.
SPEAKER_05:Um, also, so did he real quick, just to take to take it back. So, did he dive back into the water and get that stone from the crocodile? Is that what happened?
SPEAKER_02:Yes, that's what I think. He found the crocodile. Yes, yes. Okay, he got it.
SPEAKER_03:I know, which in itself is like completely absurd that he could find that one animal that he knew had because I thought that was the whole point.
SPEAKER_05:Why he wasn't gonna let the crocodile go because he had to choose. He was like, if I let it go, it's going into the ocean, and there's no finding that crocodile again. So I was like, he gave up the stone.
SPEAKER_03:You're completely right, he never would have found the crocodile again.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:So I guess maybe Oh, he said it had digestive.
SPEAKER_05:Sorry, your theory.
SPEAKER_00:They're listed as alligators, and so maybe these alligators weren't able to survive in the salt water.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, there's territorial, and so they don't go very far.
SPEAKER_00:So it it plopped itself into the salt water into the ocean, and because it couldn't survive, it died, and then he just pulled out the stone.
SPEAKER_03:The only thing that makes sense.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, he did say he'd had digestive issues. Yeah, he had digestive issues, he said. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's the only thing that like even like makes the most tenuous logistical slash realistic uh connection is that the animal was already like having issues, and so that's how he could identify that that's the one. Right.
SPEAKER_05:And so then he maybe found it by coincidence, and then you got it. Okay, I can buy that. That's I can buy that. It is raw com rom-com. I'll I'll go along with that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we just uh we just save this movie.
SPEAKER_03:But I still don't understand, like after you know, trading it in for whatever copious amounts of cash I'm making.
SPEAKER_05:And he obviously invested half of it, as you said, pretty smart thing to do.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, exactly. But like okay, so then you get the boat made or you buy the boat in Columbia. I feel like if because he had this, like, I mean, this was his passion. He even had a framed picture of yeah, it's true.
SPEAKER_06:That boat was like, yeah, definitely on his vision board for sure.
SPEAKER_03:And I don't know, I don't know. Like, again, I know nothing about the boating world, but like I feel like you probably would just come to the States to get your boat, wouldn't you? Right?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I don't know. Although he has a record with the police, so maybe so you know what? Actually, Anna, I'm gonna call you. I'm gonna say he probably did not invest the money. He probably has a bunch, it probably did make more money than just how much that boat costs. How much that boat costs, and he probably has it in a briefcase on the boat. That's true. I bet you he's got all his money stashed away.
SPEAKER_03:That's actually a really good point. And another good point is that because he did have trouble with the law and didn't even want Joan to mention his name to the authorities, I feel like he wouldn't have stepped, he must really love her because that probably was a huge risk for him to come back to the state.
SPEAKER_01:Probably have a whole disguise, a whole thing.
SPEAKER_03:So, but that being said, still honestly don't understand how the boat gets actually in New York City.
SPEAKER_00:I gotta be 100% honest.
SPEAKER_03:I did not anticipate this to be the most ridiculous ending. I mean, it really could have been, I mean, like, I don't know, you could have ended it with like he walks up to her, shows her her his awesome alligator boots, and then they like you know, he shows, like, I don't know, they walk to a peer or something. Right, a peer.
SPEAKER_05:I think I think if she had gotten some sort of like mysterious note or something, you know? Exactly. Like, just like she got that mysterious package from her brother-in-law at the beginning, mirror that mysterious note. But this time, as opposed to fear, she goes with excitement because she knows it's jack.
SPEAKER_02:That Krishna, you just made a way better ending for her.
SPEAKER_06:No, let's just write a script, Anna. Let's just get to it and just write this 80s rom-com that needs to be made. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01:Krishna, this was such a good it was so fun, you guys.
SPEAKER_05:This was so fun.
SPEAKER_03:I like I mean, I I know I sound like just such a broken record, but I always just love these parts of the podcast. And like again, this episode, no exception, because you brought like so much energy and and so and notes. Yeah, were there any more notes?
SPEAKER_05:Were there um, let's see, we talked about the music, we talked about the laugh out loud moments, we talked about their chemistry. Um, and no, that was everything. You know what though? We covered it all, you guys.
SPEAKER_07:We covered a lot.
SPEAKER_03:We covered a lot, I have to say. Okay, so like no no snark or anything. Like, did you actually enjoy the score? Or did you, you know, we're just kind of joking about like the sacks and the whole thing.
SPEAKER_05:So, like Oh, I you know what? The reason I did was because it took me back. Like it was just like an it, like I, you know how they say it's it's so true. Like, there's certain smells and like sounds, like it just it just immediately took me back to the 80s, and there's just something, you know, like I was a kid, like I, you know, I was that that was like the decade I was like still like a real child, you know. Like I kind of I really grew up in the 90s, but like 80s I was like a a kid kid, so I just you know, that's like the times like I was most like with my parents and like snuggling and like taking care of and didn't ever have to, you know, and so it just takes me right back to like childhood, like, you know, especially like right now when there's like so much going on and like you know, we're just like dealing with a lot, you know. It's like it immediately takes me back to time when you're like, oh, I'm protected, I'm safe, and I don't have to think about anything because someone else is taking care of me. It you know, it takes me back to that. So yeah, I definitely love that. It we I felt like it was so typical, I felt like it was very like generic, like 80s.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, yeah, super 80s.
SPEAKER_03:I the reason why I was curious is so I'm I'm sure like you're familiar with the name. So the composer is Alan Sivestri. And what here here's the funny thing is that so like Derek and I, we you know, uh watching this movie numerous times would typically make fun of the score. Um and say it's like not over that, not overall that great. So this guy, um, I believe this was like his first uh collaboration with Zemechis, and because actually the film was such a big hit, it enabled Zemeckis to move forward with Back to the Future. And he yeah, so he wanted Sylvestry on Back to the Future, but because Steven Spielberg was a producer on Back to the Future, Steven Spielberg was actually like, Are you sure? Because romancing the stone. But I guess you know, Zemeckis was like, trust me on this. And so this guy, like, he actually, you know, like really went to bad for him, and it all worked out because like the best treaty, like he did all the back to the future movies, and those have great scores.
SPEAKER_05:Like, who don't remember back to the future? Wait, no, that's Anina Jones.
SPEAKER_03:But I remember back to future, but it is a very iconic score, and then he like he kept working with Zemeckis, like he did who framed Roger Rabbit. Yeah, this is the guy, so this is probably the score that I know him best from. He did the score for Forrest Gump, another Zemeckis film.
SPEAKER_05:Oh yeah, I didn't realize he did the score for that. I knew that was a Zemechus film, but I didn't realize he did the score for that. That's amazing.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah, that had a great score, like an incredible career, and then even he's done like the like he did Avengers, Infinity War, Endgame. So, like this guy.
SPEAKER_06:Oh wow, he's good.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he like went to bath for him way back when and he's had this like incredible career. Like, he don't get me wrong, he probably maybe would have you know busted through anyway. But like, I feel like, you know, it's just interesting how those things come about where like somebody says, No, I believe in this person, and then you know what happens.
SPEAKER_00:I think we also should give some credit to sure. Oh, I know. Yeah, the person who wrote, produced, and performed the actual soundtrack of the song Romancing the Stone, Eddie Grant.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You might remember him from Electric Avenue. Oh no, I didn't realize.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my gosh. It's so funny.
SPEAKER_03:What I read is that like they ended up just like not really wanting to use the song that much. And that's too bad.
SPEAKER_07:And so I wonder why. I can't imagine. I really think it was only at the very beginning, at the very end.
SPEAKER_05:Was it like all throughout? I don't think so, right?
SPEAKER_03:I don't think so.
SPEAKER_05:And maybe moments, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Like you could hear hints of it, I think, sometimes. But I guess when the film came out, he was like really bummed that they didn't really use the song that much. And so he just released it on his own. And I guess um he was able to do like a video music video that has like clips from the movie. I don't exactly know how that like got worked out with the video. Yeah, we're finding that though.
SPEAKER_00:We're out there.
SPEAKER_04:Did you guys find that music video? That's so funny.
SPEAKER_03:I wonder I not yet, but um I think there's and then the one for Jewel of the Nile. So again, not romancing the stone, but like when the going gets tough by Billy Ocean.
SPEAKER_05:That was so man, I don't that's so funny. It's like when you place, you know, like when you when you remember people, but then you don't remember that they were part of that, and you're like, oh, that's oh, that's so funny. I don't remember. I didn't remember that.
SPEAKER_03:I like love most about the podcast is like when we're like researching these movies, is like you see all these connections to like where people went in their careers and like who they've been working with. And I just like find that so fascinating. So yeah, so good on Alan Sylvestry.
SPEAKER_05:And who I mean, who knows? I mean, we say it's like not a great score, but I wonder if he was just being guided, you know, like it's a it's like supposed to be a romantic, um, like a you know, she's like a fantasy romantic novel. So he's like, write something that's fantasy romantic, you know. And so I don't know, maybe he was just like, dude, this isn't great, but this is what you want. So no, you're totally right.
SPEAKER_03:And that's actually a really great point to bring up for individuals who, you know, maybe aren't like closely affiliated with the industry, is that like people have to kind of take the blame for the outcome of something, but what's never really fully like acknowledged or maybe understood is that you know, people get notes and people are told to do things sometimes a certain way, and so sometimes there's very little leeway in getting to like do it the way that you think it should be.
SPEAKER_05:So you know what this means is more sacks, more sacks, Alan, more sacks, just throw it in there. Like we want, I just really want to feel the romance novelist of this whole thing. Like, Joan Wilder's book is coming to life. Like, what would be her soundtrack in her mind?
SPEAKER_00:I just want the volume of that sacks to go through the roof, and I want the volume of literally everything else brought down old lap out just to emphasize it.
SPEAKER_03:Well, on that note, this has been a true pleasure. You have been amazing, and we are just so thrilled that you agreed to be on the show. So thank you so much.
SPEAKER_05:Thank you, Ditto. You guys are so great. Thank you so much. It was so fun talking to you guys. It was so like easy and fun. So thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_03:We will definitely keep that in. That will not get edited out. And um, you know, look, I know that uh the greater part of this year, the last six months in particular, have been a little wacky and weird and upside down. But I just wanted to kind of see, you know, have you been able to like work on any projects right now? Like what what has been uh creatively fueling you at the moment?
SPEAKER_05:Um, yeah, I mean, I guess we've been just doing like a lot of writing, and um, there's just been some things that I guess kind of like um she had a coming. Like we there was some a couple things that we taped last year that we got a chance to like edit and put together. And so we're just kind of putting stuff out on YouTube and on Facebook, just like fun small skits to do like during this time when you know, like you can't really go out and tape a bunch of stuff. But yeah, that's been really fun.
SPEAKER_03:It is a uh a you know, tough time for creatives because it is, you know, in every sense a collaborative kind of world. And you know, unless you're just gonna do Zoom movies or Zoom web series or Zoom television shows or in animation. Or animation, I guess. Yeah. Animation. Okay. But um, but yes, and for for all of our listeners out there, um, you know, I don't know if it's been like really clarified, but Krishna is one of the amazing actors in the short that we did last year. She had it coming, which is currently going through the festival circuit. So she, I mean, she is like really just so so good in the short. And um definitely you're you're writing really like it was all the writing. So many laugh out loud moments because of your take on like the dialogue and just the moments. And um, yeah, so hopefully there will be a chance for everybody to get to see you in action um sometime soon. So but uh thank you again. And you know what? Open invitation. Anytime you want to come back on the show, we'd love to have you.
SPEAKER_05:Oh my gosh, thanks you guys. This is so fun. I will totally take you up on that, and we can we'll talk more. Keep talking, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:We'll do all the police academy movies and I feel like we did we did kind of hit a few different things.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah, true.
SPEAKER_03:All right, take care, sweetie.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, bye guys.
SPEAKER_03:And so that was our really fantastic chat with Krishna Smithha. She's incredible and looking forward to having her on again.
SPEAKER_00:So that was great, and I especially enjoyed our uh discussion on VHS TV recording. Because that's something that I had completely forgotten about. I mean, we will set something to record, and it's literally just clicking on the icon record whole series. Man, so many steps. But back then that was nuts. That was such a commitment.
SPEAKER_03:There was really like uh art form to it, doing it well.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I mean, it gets into like all the like mixtape type of discussion.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and then the inevitable meltdowns when you like miss something that you really wanted to tape.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, oh the tracking on this one's broken.
SPEAKER_03:Tracking. Man, kids just don't know today. Fucking tracking. So you kind of actually I think brought it up even before our chat with Krishna as far as like watching it again. I mean, this is just one of those like you okay, so you mentioned Blade Runner and saying that that's like a good nap time movie. I'm this is not to disparage the film, but because it's just so familiar at this point, this is a great oh, it's on TBS on a Saturday afternoon, put it on and take a little nap.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I mean or watch it. Listen to that sweet saxophone and and go into Dreamland. There you go.
SPEAKER_03:So as far as like call to action, I mean, I I d I don't even know where to begin with a call to action. I mean, the only thing I can think of is like if you were to have your own adventure, what would like because we kind of all can't travel right now.
SPEAKER_00:Who was the best time you ever had?
SPEAKER_03:Oh no, no, no, we are not doing that call to action. Although it's it's way better. But uh so I guess dealer's choice. But if you do want to get in touch with us, we'd love to hear from you. And you can uh find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Uh same handle for all three, and that is at 80smontagepod, and 80s is 80 ass.
SPEAKER_00:Like us, review us, tell us you want it to be longer, tell us you want it to be shorter. We might consider any feedback you provide. I don't know. So, sneak peek. What's coming up next?
SPEAKER_03:I'm so excited because do you know why I'm so excited?
SPEAKER_00:Is it the start of uh Halloween? It sure is. Nice. What do we got? What's what's first on the uh on the list for Halloween?
SPEAKER_03:Do you want me to give you a clue?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Red Rab.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, is it the Shining? Yeah!
SPEAKER_03:My dad used to hate when I did that. Um so yes, we are starting with our Halloween movies, and we're gonna kick things off with The Shining. Super stoked.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I I love that book, and it scared the living crap out of me when I was uh a teenager and I read The Shining. The movie is just so bizarre. It's like really weird. It's one of the more successful Stephen King horror movies uh because he probably had someone who can come close to matching his like bizarre imagination to make it. Uh I had never seen the there have been remakes. There was like you know, the guy from Wings was played the role of Jack Nicholson. Yeah, yeah. One of the one of the pilots, one of the two brothers from that show Wings was in the role uh that Jack Nicholson is in. I can't remember the name of the. Jack Torrance. Jack Torrents, yeah. Um I've never seen that one, but the original is just a really strange movie. We still need to see Doctor Sleep.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we do. Maybe we'll make it a double feature.
SPEAKER_00:We won't.
SPEAKER_03:Maybe we will. Don't know. But anyway, in any case, please join us for that episode, which will come out two weeks from today.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And thank you for hanging with us. We hope you're all staying safe and well. And that's all I got.
SPEAKER_00:We'll try to do better next time, I promise. Bye.
SPEAKER_03:Bye.