Girls Just Want to Have Fun

In this episode, Anna and Derek discuss why Jeff prefers to dance in jeans and a leather jacket, Lynne truly being the best friend you could ask for, and much more during their chat of the Sarah Jessica Parker starrer Girls Just Want to Have Fun (1985).

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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.

Transcript

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so i always had a lot of time to daydream and my daydream was always the same that someday i was gonna get to chicago because that's where they make dance tv

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live from chicago america's number one dance show dance tv is on the

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air

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Hello and welcome, live from Los Angeles. Jesus. 80s movie montages, live and on the air. Oh

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my gosh, that scared me.

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And of course, that was a clip from 1985's Girls Just Want to Have Fun. I thought the whole time it was Girls Just Want to Have Fun. I realized that's not the name of the song.

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Yes, you are enunciating to demonstrate the difference between this film title and Cyndi Lauper's song title.

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No, her title, Cyndi Lauper's title is the same way. No, it's not. I think it is.

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Is it not? No, it's not.

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I don't know.

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Okay, well, right off the bat. Right off the bat, this is going really well. Let's see.

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Let's do a quick fact check.

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Fact check. I think it's Girls Just Wanna.

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That line appears in the song. And interestingly, obviously it's Cyndi Lauper's song. She had not written the song, so she couldn't stop them from using it in the film. But she could, and she did, refuse to allow her record to be used. So it's actually a different... It's a cover. It's a cover of the song, yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, that makes sense.

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Nevertheless, this movie...

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Nevertheless, well, you opened up a whole can of worms because now I need to see if it is the same writing and I am trying to buy some time. We might have to edit this. Oh, you're right.

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We'll keep that part in.

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You're right that actually it is. That's so interesting.

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I was shocked because I thought for sure that the title... was like more spelled out because of the song but no she just they just don't have cindy lopper's version in it because of that

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it's so interesting because i like this is not a podcast about cindy lopper song girls just want to have fun but if you're just checking in i always thought that it was the w-a-n-n-a

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yeah no me too

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but i guess it's not i

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looked it up just because i figured hmm maybe there's a chance

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Yeah, that's so, so crazy. In any case, I love this movie. I

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know you do. I

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know you do. And this just happens to be our season five mid-season marker. Oh.

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We're

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already halfway through.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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As far as this, like... This, you said, was not the first time that you've, like, you've seen parts of it. Yeah. You've just never seen the whole thing through.

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I've not watched it. And look, I missed the clip that we just played to start things off.

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I mean, it's kind of the whole film in a nutshell.

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And it's the start of the movie. So no wonder I didn't know what was going on. When I watched it before. Yeah. Because I was already halfway through. Yeah.

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I mean, actually, it has kind of... And it's funny because that's another Sarah Jessica Parker film. It kind of has an opening in the same way as Footloose, where there's kind of this really uplifting, but high-energy opening credit sequence.

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Yeah.

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But then... it cuts to kind of this serious... In Footloose, it's him preaching in church. So the energy shift is pretty dramatic from opening credits to the actual first scene of the film.

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The energy shift from Sarah Jessica Parker being introduced as a new student in this Catholic girls' school to the dance TV...

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scene

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was pretty wild it was it

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was dramatic yeah

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yeah

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so this film is a film that like i've just i've watched a bazillion times although just off the off the record kind of you were just telling me some fun facts that i was not aware of

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oh

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yeah um yeah i'm sure we'll get to that but it's Yeah, it's just a film that I love. I mean, there were so many teen films from the 80s. Obviously, John Hughes is probably the most well-known of filmmakers who were behind those films, but I love this one. It's also set in Chicago. We've done a number of Chicago-set teen films. Earlier this season, we did Adventures in Babysitting, and so there's a number of them, and that's probably part of the reason why I loved this movie, too. I

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had no idea the most popular day I know, I know.

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It just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't, really.

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I don't get that. Someone just really wanted it to be based in Chicago,

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I guess. You just got to go with it.

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So

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like you said, 1985. And in terms of credits, I mean, some people are familiar names. First off, though, written by, so we have a female screenwriter, which I always am going to note that because often it's not the case. Amy Spies is how I'm going to say her name. She's, if you go over

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her- I-E-S. It's got to be Spies, right? Could it be Spies?

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I think it's Spies. If you look over her filmography, you can see she honestly just... She doesn't have very many writing credits. She just has four total. Okay. But that's because she's more so a producer.

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Ah, okay.

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If you check out the other categories for her, this was her very first writing credit. The rest of what she has, she doesn't have any other film credits under writing, but this makes a lot of sense. She also wrote on the TV series Beverly Hills, 90210, also starring Shannon Doherty. Yeah,

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who is famously... In this movie.

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Yes. I don't know if I'd say she's famously in this movie. No, no. She's in this movie.

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Look, I've been watching too much MasterChef and Gordon Ramsay stuff, so I'm adding the superlatives to every...

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Sure. Superlatives

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around. A

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very young Shannon Doherty. Yeah. Her

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character is like 12, I think.

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Yes. Yeah.

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So she's just the little sister of... Correct. Of... The fucking cool dancer guy.

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Yes. Whether or not he's actually a really good dancer, I think, is up for debate. We'll get to that.

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He had the spinny moves down. He

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had the spinny moves

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down. If you fucking give him a hard time, he's

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going to do an aggressive spinny. And breaking through, like, banners and things like that. He's really good at that.

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Oh, my God.

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The initial auditions where he just kind of like leaps through the paper.

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The stylization also of it, like that going slow motion and then it cuts to him like rolling across the stage. It's just amazing. But in any case, back to Amy Spies. So, and then this makes sense too. She wrote for the spinoff for Beverly Hills 90210, Melrose Place.

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Oh, I forget that that's a spinoff because it like-

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It had its own life for sure. Yeah. Probably one of the more successful spinoffs maybe. Yeah. At least in the 90s, I would say. And then I don't know this. Do you know the video game Majestic?

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I don't.

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She, I guess, wrote on that video

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game. Not ringing any bells.

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Okay. So moving on to director. This is the first time we're bringing him up, but it may not be the last time we bring him up. Alan Metter.

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Okay.

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Oh,

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yeah. I bet it won't be.

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If you have anything to say about it. He passed in 2020, so it's been a couple years. I mean, he has a nice filmography as far as titles that we might know. So the film that I was kind of referring to in terms of he might come up again is Back to School.

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Yeah, I think that movie has a lot of pretty messed up stuff in it. Even

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for an 80s film?

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Yeah.

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No, I think for an 80s film, everyone was pretty cool with everything. Right on par. Yeah, it was like just Rodney Dangerfield kind of stuff. But if you watch it now, it's like, ooh.

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I mean, I would do that just to watch Oingo Boingo and Dead Man's Party, probably.

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It's a great part of the movie, yeah.

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Yeah. So he directed that. He directed a film called Moving. I don't know that. Oh,

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yeah, I know that movie. You do? Yeah.

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Yeah, I've seen it. What's it about? I

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think it's about moving. I know Richard Pryor's in it, right?

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It's a movie about moving.

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He's got to move. This guy accepts a job that requires him to move to New State. There's

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just a whole movie about somebody moving. Then

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he's got to move.

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Wow, that sounds captivating. I

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mean... Richard Pryor could make anything funny, even a movie about moving.

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Yeah. Okay. He directed one of the Police Academy films, Police Academy Mission to Moscow.

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Oh, wow. That sounds timely.

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And then I thought this was kind of interesting. So, like, they've long have been out of entertainment, but, like, the Olsen twins. I feel like there's a generation that doesn't even realize that Elizabeth Olsen has two super famous older sisters that, like... Elizabeth Olsen, I wouldn't say is a nepo baby per se, but she's a nepo sibling. Because, of course, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen made their mark when they were just not even 10 years old. And so he directed a couple of their straight-to-video films, Billboard, Dad, and Passport to Paris.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So he was in that genre. Didn't know

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those were even a thing.

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Yeah. I remember back in the day when I was working at Blockbuster, there was a whole section with Olsen. They made a ton of money. Are you

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serious? Yeah. There was a whole Olsen twin section at Blockbuster?

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I mean, it didn't have a placard in the same way that you would say horror or something. But within the family section, there was a whole section of... straight to video olsen twins videos

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these are some of the reasons

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they made a ton of money

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this is why blockbuster failed

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no but probably not but but it is it i just really distinctly remember that and they were always getting rented like they were super popular in any case all right so that is alan met her okay So moving on to cinematography, this is somebody that we have brought up before and almost certainly he will come up again at some point, Thomas E. Ackerman. So he maybe like, I don't know if I'd say had like a professional rapport relationship with Metter because it's not like they went on to have like a long-term collaboration like some directors do with their DPs. Okay. But he was the DP on Back to School. Yeah.

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Oh, okay. Well, then we just got to do it then.

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Yeah, perhaps. I'm sorry. I'm not a huge... That's probably the reason why I've also haven't pushed to do Caddyshack yet, which is like kind of an... like absurd thing that we're in season five and we still haven't done Caddyshack. I'm just not. Because of Dangerfield? Yeah. I'm just, it's not my kind of humor.

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It's going to be tough then because honestly, Dangerfield, there's more Dangerfield. He's more of a focal point.

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In Back to School. In Back to School. It's his story. Yeah.

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By far compared to Caddyshack.

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Yeah. But that's kind of the reason why I haven't pushed for Caddyshack.

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Understood.

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But I'm sure it will come up at some point. So he was the DPM back to school. So we brought him up, oh my gosh, all the way in season one for Beetlejuice. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. So he was the DP on that. He did Moonwalker, the film with Michael Jackson. And this will come up again at some point, or it will come up. We've probably talked about it, but we haven't actually done National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation yet. We have not. So... At some point we will, although I kind of already have in mind what I'd like to do around the holidays.

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Yeah, I'm guessing based on your tone that it does not include... No,

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I mean, look, we'll for sure get to this film, but I was kind of wanting to do a Christmas story first.

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Oh, yeah. I mean, it's tough because the vacation movies, particularly the first one, is good, and we like Christmas vacation, but you're

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not the biggest... We haven't done any vacation movies yet.

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You're not the biggest Chevy Chase fan.

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I'm not. That's probably another reason why we haven't done Kenny Shaq. Well, I was going

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to say, yeah, Dangerfield's not really the focal point as much as, oh,

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yeah,

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Chevy Chase is,

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kind of.

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He's a big part of it.

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I liked him in Fletch. And we did do that one with Steve. Go check that one out. Yeah,

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I thought that was... I mean, if you like him in that, basically the same character. Sure. It's about everything.

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Yeah. So Ackerman, he definitely... has had a kind of a niche that he has been a part of because like some of his other films, Dennis the Menace, Baby's Day Out, the first Jumanji, George of the Jungle, Snow Dogs. So like very similar in kind of tone, like family fair.

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Family comedy kind of, yeah.

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But he also did Anchorman. I think

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that's pretty much a family comedy too, right?

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It's a little bit more adult in the jokes.

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Oh.

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It's not Dennis the Menace. So he did that and Balls of Fury.

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Underrated movie. Yeah. It's got the guy from, what was that movie? The 80s. It's not from the 80s, but it was set in the 80s with Topher Grace.

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Oh, Take Me Home Tonight?

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Yeah, Take Me Home Tonight. It's got the guy that reminds you of Jack Black in that movie is in Balls of Fury.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah. Gotcha.

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay, moving on to music, another familiar name and another Thomas.

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Another Thomas?

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This Thomas. So you and I, although I don't know if we're going to do it this year, we have pretty much yearly gone to different concerts that were conducted by David Newman.

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Yeah.

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We love him. He's great. He is part of a very famous musical family.

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The Newmans.

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The Newmans. And Thomas is his brother. Ah,

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got it. Just also breaking news. The John Williams concerts that would be taking place this summer will not be featuring John Williams. He usually kind of shares those. Those evenings with Newman.

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Yeah.

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But because of some health concerns, he's not actually going to be present at them this year. Oh,

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did you just hear that? I

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just saw that in the news or online a day or two ago.

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Interesting.

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But I just bring that up because Thomas's brother, David, is usually... Yes, heads those up. Yeah, he heads those up and works with John Williams and... He often does the first half and there's an omission and then John Williams comes out for the second half.

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Oh, well, gosh. I hope that that's not indicative of anything that is a concern at this point. Obviously, John Williams at this point is in his early 90s. I always thought he was such a rock star because I think that would be hard for anyone of any age to...

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Yeah.

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Do what he does. And so I always was so grateful that he would make an appearance. And honestly, he was always really funny and had a couple of quips that always like, he was just great.

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We're not even talking about David Newman. No. We somehow got from Thomas Newman all the way to John

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Williams. We gotta get back on track. So Thomas Newman, it has been a minute since we've brought him up, but he's actually come up several times over the course of our podcast. He also is a multi nominated Oscar, multi Oscar nominated composer.

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Okay.

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But he's never won. And this is like same as like in our last episode, we had the same circumstance. He's been nominated 15 times good lord but it's number one yeah but let's go through his filmography i mean there's so many movies that he's and i have oh this is ridiculous i have almost like 35 films but they're it's like crazy it's crazy what he's done so so his first oscar nom wasn't until the 90s but he did so many great films preceding the i'll Get to them. But, okay, so this is not one of the ones I would say is a great film, but he did compose for Revenge of the Nerds. Okay. So he did that. So we did bring him up for Desperately Seeking Susan. Oh, okay. He did that. That was with Sarah. Go check that one out. He composed for The Man with One Red Shoe. This was so early in the podcast. This was what, like, maybe our third episode, which is strange that it was such an early one. Real Genius.

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Oh,

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really? Okay.

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Mm-hmm.

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So he composed for that, Gung Ho, Jumpin' Jack Flash. Okay, so he also composed for The Lost Boys. Nice. Which we did with Courtney, so go check that one out. He did Less Than Zero. Weren't you just, no, you were watching the other John Candy film, but he did The Great Outdoors.

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Oh, yeah, I was watching Summer Rental. Yeah, yeah.

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So now we're getting into the 90s. He composed for Fried Green Tomatoes, The Player, Scent of a Woman, and here we go. So I do have sprinkled in some other films that weren't nominated, but they're pretty significant films. But he gets his first Oscar nom, and I think... So he has one nomination for Best Original Song, but the rest are for Score. So I'll note it when we get to the song. But he gets his first Oscar nom for The Shawshank Redemption. That makes sense. He gets another one for Little Women. Okay. He gets another one for a film called Unstrung Heroes. I don't know it, but. I don't either. No nomination here, but he does compose for The People vs. Larry Flint. All right. He gets another Oscar nom. I'm kind of surprised he didn't win for it. American Beauty.

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I'm kind of surprised by that, too.

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Because I can actually think of the score in my head right now.

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Because at the time, that movie was really- Was winning everything. Yeah, exactly.

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So no Oscar noms here, but he composed for The Green Mile and Erin Brockovich. He gets his next nom for Road to Perdition. He gets another nom for Finding Nemo. Another nom, like I said, there's 15 of them, for A Series of Unfortunate Events.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Another nomination for The Good German. So he gets twice nominated. So here we go. He gets it for Best Original Score and Best Original Song for WALL-E. He

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actually won. No.

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Okay, he hasn't won it yet. He's never won. Yeah, that's what's crazy. That's

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right, yeah.

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He gets... Oh, I'm sorry. He doesn't get a nomination, but he does compose for Revolutionary Road. Here's another series of films. All nominations for Skyfall, Saving Mr. Banks, and Bridge of Spies. He must... I wonder if he's like friends with Tom Hanks. He does a lot of Tom Hanks films.

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He does a lot of James Bond movies too. Is he friends with James Bond?

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So he, and to your point, he composed it because his inspector. It is.

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Yeah.

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He gets, here we go. As of right now, his last two nominations were for Passengers and 1917. I

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was going to guess 1917 is one of those last ones. Yeah.

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But then he also has composed for yet another Tom Hanks film, A Man Called Otto, Elemental. And then, so up till this point, I've listed all films, but he also just composed for Feud, the TV series. So, yeah.

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Well, look, that family is just prolific.

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That family is insane. Yeah. Like crazy. I mean, talk about dynasties.

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I can't. I can't really get too upset about any like...

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Nepo babies? Nepo,

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because they're all like really, really

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talented. Crazy talented. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Crazy talented. Okay. So moving on to film editing, we do have two gentlemen who edited on this film. So the first one, Lorenzo DiStefano.

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Mm-hmm.

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He only has a total of eight editing credits.

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That's all you need if one of them is girls just want to have fun.

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That's what I think. But I'm glad you said it. So I think he was probably maybe the younger of the two editors. Because when I get to The Next Gentleman, he had a very long career before this film ever came along. But for DeStefano... I don't know a lot of these titles either, but...

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We're going to be talking about one of them at some point. I

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think I know which one you're talking about. So I just listed all the other seven because he only has eight credits. Talmadge, Farlow, don't know it. Body Rock, don't know it. I think this is the one you're thinking of. Thrashen? Is that what you're thinking of?

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Yeah, it wasn't. I was looking at the editorial department,

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not editor.

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But Thrashen... Yeah, that absolutely should be one that we talk

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about. In the future. Not anytime soon, probably.

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The one that I saw when I looked at some of his editorial department work was Dreamscape. Oh, sure. I know. You want to do that one.

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Okay. Winners take all the killing time ginger ale afternoon. Ginger ale sounds pretty good right now. Yeah, it's refreshing. Yeah. And then he also edited on the TV show Life Goes On.

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Okay.

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Okay, so the other gentleman, David Rollins. So, I don't know if it was, like, a circumstance of, like, maybe he was, like, kind of in a little bit of, like, a mentoring position to DiStefano. Because Rollins, his first editing credit was in 1957. Oh, right. So, he'd been around for a while. A film called Lost Lagoon. Some of his credits, some of them very famous credits. And I'm kind of surprised, to be quite honest, that he never had an Oscar nom for some of them. But... He did, not for this one, but he did Crypt of the Living Dead. I have some TV work for him, Night Gallery, and the TV show Kung Fu. So here we go. He was the editor on Saturday Night Fever, The

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China Syndrome. Oh, my God. These are kind of difficult things to watch.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Urban Cowboy.

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Okay.

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The Osterman Weekend. Firestarter. We could do Firestarter. We could. That movie is

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crazy.

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Here's what's crazy, too. He was the editor on Back to School.

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Well, it's just going to happen, isn't

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it? Sure, probably. He cut Baby's Day Out, Mr. Magoo, and then his last credit, Say It in Russian.

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Interesting.

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All right. We are at the stars of the film. And actually... A number of them we have talked about before for other films. So, first of all, of course, Janie.

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There's a huge cast for this movie, by the way. In terms of who they've actually, like, credited we've seen

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some movies where yeah they did a weird crediting system on imdb it's like i think what the people who are because like if you actually even click to imdb the two people that they list i'm not trying to be rude here but they list biff jaeger the dad and christy summers who's on who's in it for like two seconds as the old ricky yeah so it's really weird the way that sometimes they display these

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i have to go down quite a bit before i get to uh I have to get past Richard Blade.

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Yeah.

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The old K-Rock DJ that you heard at the beginning of our intro. I have to go through him before I get to Shannon Doherty or Sarah Jessica Parker

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or any of them. It's strange, yeah.

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Yeah.

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But we are going to start with Sarah Jessica Parker. So she's Janie. She's a good choice. Yeah. She's the one that you hear in the intro, of course. She's a high school student. Do they ever say what year they are in high school?

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Oh, I get the sense that, like, what's his name, Jeff?

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Yeah, he's graduating. He's graduating. I get the sense he's a senior.

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So they're either sophomore or junior would be my guess.

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And here's what is just bananas insane about this movie. It's like... so ostensibly like a spoilers Janie and Jeff win and they

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do

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and so they are like I guess de facto given these positions as the new dancers on dance TV they're high school students and same thing with Helen Hunt's character she's the quote new Ricky she's a high school student like it's so crazy Helen Hunt's character

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that's why I don't think they were freshmen because Helen Hunt's character was just way too out there to be a freshman

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oh I don't think at all they were freshmen I think if anything they also are juniors or seniors. I think

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so.

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But they don't really talk about their futures in the same way that Jeff has a conversation with his dad. About the trades. Yeah, trade school and college. But, okay, so to get back to Sarah Jessica Parker. Let's do it. You know, obviously a very well-known actress. She's done a ton of stuff. Still very much working. Although what she's working on right now, I'm not really interested in watching. But, and she's flowed pretty smoothly between film and television. She's done a lot of both. So very early, early, early in her career, she was on a TV series called Square Pegs. Oh, I remember that. Which maybe, no, I think that was Facts of Life. Molly Ringwald, I think, for a season was on Facts of Life. Really? Yeah. So she did that. And then the one film that we have talked about with her is Footloose. Another

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dancing movie.

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Another dancing movie. Lots of them in the 80s. And that episode was with Fawson. We highly encourage you to go check that one out. She's also in Flight of the Navigator. Oh,

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really? I don't think I realized that. That movie, the effects, it hasn't held up. I thought that was a fun movie when I was a kid.

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When's the last time you saw it? I

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don't know.

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But it's a woof.

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It's been a couple of years that it was like just randomly on something. And I'm like, oh, I'm like, no,

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I can't. OK, so she's on or in that. So here we go. TV work a year in the life, which I don't know that TV series, but she was on it. I remember her getting attention for being in the film L.A. Story. I remember that because I think maybe that was like a transitional role for her going from being like 18 to. actor to like an adult. So that

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was, uh, Steve Martin.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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She was on the TV show. And again, I don't know it, but equal justice. Um, she also got attention for the film honeymoon in Vegas and just actually not that long ago, the sequel to this. So she was in hocus pocus. I know that's become a much beloved cult, uh, halloween movie it has yeah

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yeah just a different generation i think like

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different generation and then she also came back for hocus pocus too which was not that long ago she was in edwood so a lot of films all in a row edwood miami rhapsody the first wives club mars attack state and maine and then here we go a lot of people of a certain generation of a certain age yes and Identify her as, of course, Carrie Bradshaw from Sex and the City, the TV series. And I'm one of those people. I mean, I did know her prior because I already loved Footloose and I already loved this movie.

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Yeah, I don't even really watch that show, but that's what I generally identify her with is that role.

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It took me a minute to... I mean, I... eventually was watching it while I was still like on the air as far as like a current series I don't think I jumped into it right away when it first started but it was almost like an immediate hit I think and it was at the time I think pretty progressive I mean it wasn't on the air that long I think it was like 98 to 2004 it was just six years six seasons and but a

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couple movies too right

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yeah and i mean i'm rebooted yeah i'm focusing more so on the tv show because i think that almost universally although you know with time removed i think that in some ways that show is not looked upon as kindly as it was when it first came out oh really well i mean look it's still about like four although carrie look her character does complain a lot about her financial woes but that's because she's spending thousands of dollars on shoes and clothing so it's kind of a problem of her own making but it is about like four relatively rich affluent privileged white women uh um there's very little diversity

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okay

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in the tv show um and also for i guess again for what it was at the time is progressive but when you look back through a 2024 lens it's And the way they might talk about... Look, she had the conventional, I'm doing air quotes right now, gay best friend, but he was kind of like, in a lot of ways, kind of comic relief.

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Caricature

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of a real person. Yeah, there were kind of caricatures on the show. I feel like a lot of

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shows did that.

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Yeah, for sure. So again, for what it was 20 years ago, maybe it was fine. And then also there was like... Certain attitudes portrayed about, you know, being bi or not having conventional kind of like– having a conventional sexual identity, which either was, like, you're straight or gay. I've got to be

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honest with you. I was getting ready to binge the entire series this weekend.

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Well, we still own it. We do actually have the entire series. You're kind of talking me out of

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it, though.

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I mean, it's fine. You know, for what it was, it was, like, a little blip in time that, like, had its moment. But, yeah, to your point, too, also Sex and the City and Sex and the City 2. The first film, I think, was, like, fine. The second film, I thought, was, like, completely unnecessary. But she was in all that. And then just to kind of tie up that loose end, what I was referring to a second ago was now there's and just like that. Because that was like her tagline in the original series. And that brought back three of the four original cast members. Kim Cattrall, although I think she does a really brief cameo. In the last season, because I think they're already maybe two seasons into the show, but she wasn't interested in being part of the new show. I think there was like, I don't know the details, but like not super great juju between her and Sarah Jessica Parker, which is why she didn't want to come back.

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They don't. Anyone that doesn't want to be part of that probably doesn't need to because they've already enjoyed enough success that they can just...

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Yeah, I think it's cool for her. Just, like, move on. And I'm just... Ugh. Like, I guess sometimes it works. Like, look, we really enjoyed Maverick. Yeah. But I'm really tired of just, like, at this point, it being a trope of taking these properties that, like, had their time, had their moment. They don't need to come back. But yet they keep trying to bring everything back.

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Guess what? Guess what's coming soon? Beverly Hills Cop 4.

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I mean, I could get into that. I'm a total hypocrite. I don't

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mind doing it, but do it good.

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They might as well just call it against sex in the city because that's all it is. Do a

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good job. Do it well. Make it worthy of the show that it's building from.

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Yeah, but they tried to reboot Murphy Brown. They rebooted Mad About You. They rebooted, I think, Frasier. We did watch Night Court for a minute, but that seems a little bit more innovative because it's like a new character we're following.

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Yeah. I just got tired of hearing the same kind of like getting us all up to speed on like who that character is. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. It was a little repetitive. Look, I was all on board with the Quantum Leap reboot. I know. And very, very sad that they never were able to get Scott back to get back into it. But nevertheless, I do want to say before we move on from Sarah Jessica Parker that I My favorite performance of hers, probably not in Sex and the City or any of the other movies or shows, The Family Stone is...

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Well, that's the next film I was going to bring up.

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What? Yeah. Well, that is an incredibly difficult at times movie to watch, but I thought she was really good in it.

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She was really... Yeah, that is such an interesting film. It is not a warm and fuzzy holiday film at all. It

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gets there. I don't

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know if I can quite go there with you, but... Um, she's not a super likable person, but to be perfectly honest, by the end of that film, she's my favorite character because that family fucking bullies her. Yeah.

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Like

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she's

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just... Rachel McAdams is awful to her. And

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Diane

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Keaton! Well, Diane Keaton's going through her own thing, so...

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Okay, fine. But, and that's also why I'm not a huge fan of the film.

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Yeah.

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The fucking cancer trope. But, um... They are

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awful

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to her.

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I'll give them a pass for 2005. It wasn't yet as tropey as it has become now. Yeah. But, yeah.

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Look, she's socially awkward. And they're very, like... They're a very kind of, like, cliquey family.

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The dinner conversation where... One of their other sons are talking about adopting a son. And that entire conversation is just... It's hard to actually get through. Yes, it is. But it's very well done.

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Yeah. I mean, I guess I appreciate the risk taken to portray a scene like that. Because it's probably as realistic as anything you would see in a movie. Yeah. But I just... I just didn't like the family. The family stone sucks. So... So in any case, moving on. She's in Failure to Launch, Smart People. I actually really did like this TV show, Divorce. Oh, yeah, you did. With Thomas Hayden Church. She did that. And then, like I mentioned, she's currently on Just Like That. Okay. So moving on to Helen Hunt. We did not... We talked about Not That Long Ago. Um... First episode of this season, Peggy Sue got married. That's right. Yeah. So, encourage you to go back to that one. She plays the daughter in that. She's not in it a ton. But here... So quirky. So quirky. Quirky Lynn. But you know what? I do appreciate that she almost immediately takes Janie under her wing. She's a good friend. She's a really good friend. She is constantly helping her with nothing in it for her.

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Not much for babysitting.

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No, although- She just let that

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baby just full on sit in the pizza. That baby was in the pizza.

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It felt a little bit more realistic, though. I know that they were trying to- No, no, no. I don't mean the baby in the pizza, but I felt like- what they were showing was maybe more indicative of what that time period was. Like a couple of

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kids getting home from school and

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just. Yeah. Yeah. And she obviously loves the baby. Like she like, you know. Yeah. Gives her a hug and a kiss. She let it

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cool off first. It wasn't like a, you know.

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Yeah. And obviously that was just like a shot to be funny in the film. Yeah. So no, probably not a great babysitter, but she is a good friend. Very good friend. And in terms of her track record, we did cover her not that long ago. But we have... So I think I brought this up during Peggy Sue Got Married. She's in a franchise, Trancers. Trancers, Trancers 2, Trancers 3. I don't know those songs, but I think it's horror.

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I think it is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And... So besides, I'm trying to think, yeah, there's probably one more, well, If we do Prancers. Prancers? Prancers. If we do Trancers, then there's more than one film. Oh, my

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God. I'm just looking at the synopsis for it. A gruff bounty hunter travels back in time to 1980s Los Angeles to stop a twisted criminal who can transform people into zombie-like creatures. We're definitely going to watch Trancers.

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Sounds interesting. I was going to say Project X. Oh, we'll see that, too. I think at some point we could probably do that. With Matthew Broderick? Yeah. Yeah. So now we're getting into the 90s. And apparently like the sequel to this is coming out soon. She's in Twister.

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Yeah. Twisters. Twisters is

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coming out. She is a Oscar winning actress. She got her win for As Good As It Gets. Yeah. Which is a really interesting film because maybe this came up the last time we talked about her. I find that film really interesting because nobody in it is, like, all good or all bad. I think James L. Brooks does a really good job of creating these dimensional characters where they each have really great qualities about them and really awful qualities about them. And I do think that the film had a really... Like, it's crazy to me that it didn't actually win Best Picture, but it has... really interesting depictions of the main characters.

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It does. I mean, it's probably harder to give some of those positive qualities to Nicholson's character and more challenging to make you feel negative about Helen Hunt's character in any way.

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Well, that's funny that you should say that because I don't particularly like her in that movie. She's... She's got a certain way about her. She has a certain... She's... She's a little, is the term acerbic?

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Yeah. Yeah. I think that would fit her character, but you know.

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She's got a tough life. She's raising a kid on her own. She's got this kid with asthma. Yeah.

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I sympathize with the asthma.

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Yeah. So she's got some stuff she's going through, but in any case. She had this

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crazy guy coming into the diner, but yes, in any case. We got to get back to Chicago. Back

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to Chicago. Home of

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the best dance show in the world.

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She had a really good 90s. So she wins Best Actress. She's also in Pay It Forward, Cast Away, What Women Want.

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I hated her in Cast Away for what she did to Tom Hanks.

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I mean, what is she supposed to do? She thinks he's dead. She

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didn't wait that long, did she?

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Did she not? I don't remember how much passage of time there is with him on the island. How long

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was it?

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Maybe two to three years? Okay, then. I don't know.

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All right. That's fair. I don't know. I thought it was like a weekend for some reason.

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A weekend?

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Yeah. I was wrong.

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So she's in What Women Want. She gets another Oscar nomination. I have not seen this film, but it's called The Sessions. So she's in that. Of course, and I just mentioned this, she was in the original Mad About You, and then they brought that back for like a season. Matter About You. Matter About You. Another TV series. I don't know it, but it's called The Sessions. blind spotting and then most recently I just brought this up because we watched it we really enjoyed it she has a recurring role on hacks

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which is a great show

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amazing show

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third season had one of the best season finales that I think I've seen in a show in recent memory.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Really, really amazing writing and performances. Yeah. It was fantastic. The two leads are so good together. The chemistry is incredible. But honestly, you can say that for any of the characters.

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They're all really

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great. The casting game is spot on for that show. Yeah. Like, so good. I enjoy every second of that show. Okay. So moving on to Jeff. Janie and Jeff. Lemuck So he has since pivoted out of acting. I think I mentioned to you what I came across is that I think he's doing more music nowadays. Because his last acting credit was in 87, so not very long after this film. Wow. Yeah. For what I have for him, he did do some TV work, some TV appearances as far as films go. films called Split Image, Mutant. I thought this was interesting. So he's in a film called Prime Risk and his character name is Michael Fox, which I just think that's interesting that they would name any character Michael Fox because it's like, okay, Michael J. Fox. And then The Legend of Wolf Lodge.

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Oh, is that like about that place in Orange County?

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Yeah, I don't know. Like

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the water park?

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I mean, as far as... So what I... I've known of this actor for a while because I've loved this film. I didn't really know much about him, like a lot of the details of his professional career, but I guess he started as like a model. And I think he comes from an acting family. And so he kind of like was maybe guided towards the acting role, but I don't think that was maybe the thing that he particularly wanted to stick with as evidenced by his filmography.

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His performance was... up there with anyone else in this movie

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it was fine yes it was totally fine so um he gets a little petulant uh at times but he does yeah so okay moving on to another familiar name shannon doherty so she's maggie she is jeff's little sister i think it's interesting that they even have her in the movie um

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it's a good balance to to show that family

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Yes, they're very much a blue collar working family. I think that's actually a really interesting point you make, because we see three different socioeconomic depictions of family units.

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Yeah.

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Cause you have Natalie. She's like probably for what this world was 1%. Her father's JP Sands. Her

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father is the fucking tall man from Phantasm. Not really, but he kind of reminds me of it.

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And I don't know if you clocked it, but like the security system that they installed in Janie's home is Sands security. Oh. So I take that to be JP Sands. Yeah. So he's like the guy, he's like Potter. That's a great catch. Wow. He's like Mr. Potter in It's a Wonderful Life. He just owns everything.

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I mean, he, when he like rolls up. Yeah. What a jerk.

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Jeff's dad is a factory worker and they seem to be very blue collar. The mom presumably has passed away. Yep. So it's a single father. Um, and so you have that depiction and then you have Janie's family who's like kind of in the middle. Like, I don't know what the payout is once you retire from the military, but her dad is retired military. I don't even know what

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branch. He's got enough, uh, enough time to just like, uh, paint, figurines for historical battle.

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Super weird. I mean, he seems like still pretty young to like be retiring, but I guess, um, I guess you put in your 20 years or something and then you can retire. But, and then I will say probably one of the most, I never really thought about it before, but the last time watching it, Her mom is really problematic to me.

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Yeah, you brought up her mom in virtually every scene that she popped

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up in. Like, they really just depict her as, like, your conventional 1950s housewife who's, like, not going to talk back to her husband and is just always in a good mood and always, like... I don't know. I just... She really bumped me this time around. I

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mean, her character kind of comes around a little bit towards the end when her and Janie's little brother are watching her on TV.

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Sure.

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But, yeah, for the most part, she kind of feels like...

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Nothing she does sways her husband.

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No.

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Like, there are a couple times where she's like, oh, don't, but he does what he wants to do anyway.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, any case. Shannon Doherty, sorry to get off track there. Oh, shit, I forgot.

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But...

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so the time that she came up for us was all the way back in season one for heathers that's

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right yeah

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which was i want to say like two years after this so she but let's let's rewind just a tiny bit i don't think i like realized this that she was one of the voices in the secret of nym

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no i had no idea yeah i don't know who theresa is I don't know which mouse that is. A mouse?

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Yeah.

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It's probably a mouse. A child mouse? Yeah. There were a couple of kid mice. That's the whole point of the movie, trying to save the little mice.

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Yeah. Yeah. So she's in that. We clocked this when we did this episode with David Nightshift. She's like a Girl Scout type character. Yes. Yeah. So she just has like one scene, but she's green. So she's in Nightshift. More TV work, A Little House on the Prairie, Our House. Of course, I already mentioned Heather's. Yeah. Go check that episode out. Although that was so early in our podcast before we became the pros that we currently are. So she's in that. And then, of course, it's interesting because this connects back to the writer of this film. She is one of the leads. I think she, what, exited the series a couple seasons before the show ended, but she was the lead on Beverly Hills 90210.

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Yeah, 111 episodes of that. And, of course, I have to bring up that she was in one episode of Airwolf, if for no other reason than that amazing intro to the TV show Airwolf. Sure. Yeah, that guy just playing the cello on

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the side of the... Yeah, yeah, no, totally. So as she's gotten, like... I would say Beverly Hills 90210. Did she move? 90210. Was her transitioning from, like, not child, but, like, teen actor to adult. Because then she does Mallrats. She's still obviously very young. She's, like, in her young 20s. But now she's doing, like, more adult stuff. She was on the TV show Charmed. similar situation where i think she exited the show before the show ended um i don't know this tv series i have the rust tv work she's done a ton of tv work north short i don't know it she i guess had like a cameo or came back for like reboot of the show which just was called 90210 that was already a This show never went, I want to say, because unfortunately I think there was maybe another school shooting, but they were going to reboot Heathers as a TV show. Oh,

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yeah, that's tough to do.

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Yeah, so... I

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mean, holy shit, the whole movie ends in like... fucking bomb at the school, right?

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I don't know ultimately what became of it, if it's available anywhere to view, but my recollection is that that show was in the can. And it was ready to premiere. And then something happened. And they were like, you know what? We just can't go there with it or something.

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Yeah. Yeah. She'd have a better shot at bringing back the other TV movie that she was in titled Satan's School for Girls. Nice. Yeah.

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I'd watch that. Okay. Moving on to Jonathan Silverman. So this was his first film role. He had already done some stuff. But he's Drew. He's Jeff's buddy. Yeah. And, you know, kind of the, like, awkward, geeky sidekick kind of type character.

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Yeah,

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he's

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kind of a creep.

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Yeah. Yeah, he's not that one scene. Yeah, Tuna in Tokyo. Not

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great. Not okay,

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man. Not okay. He is very much still working to this day. Actually, there's quite a few filmography credits. Really early in his career, I didn't know this, but this was most definitely a TV show. He was on Gimme a Break. With Nell Carter. Nice. So he did that. So his first, I think, so this was his first film role. But I think the first film that he got maybe attention for was Brighton Beach Memoirs.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think so. And this was just like a year after, or that was a year after Girls Just Want

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to Have Fun. Yeah. So he's in that. He's in Kitty Shack 2. I actually have a couple of films. So, of course...

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That sequel's terrible. Come on.

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He's in Stealing Home, but the film, for better or for worse, that I think most people associate him with is Weekend at Bernie's.

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Yeah.

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With Andrew McCarthy. Still

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better than Caddyshack 2.

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And he comes back for... I don't think I've ever seen it. Although, when I was young, they were filming it when my family was on vacation, Weekend at Bernie's Part 2. Because they were filming in the Virgin Islands. Wait, was

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there a sequel to Weekend at Bernie's? Was he still dead? Was there still just a Bernie's? I never watched it. A Bernie corpse? No?

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I don't know. But he's also, and I don't remember him in it, but he's in Death Becomes Her.

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I can't think of where he would be. Jay Norman was his character's name, but I can't. Can't picture it.

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Yeah. But he is. He is. Yeah. He's in The Odd Couple 2. A lot of sequels. A lot of twos. There are a lot of twos in here. A lot of twos. And then so much TV work. So these are all TV series. The Single Guy, In Case of Emergency, Significant Mother. Get it? Well done. It's a play on Significant Mother. No Good Nick. He must have been on this when I stopped watching it because I watched the first couple seasons of Good Girls.

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Yeah.

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And I guess he might have been on it later. Okay. Do you know that show?

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I don't.

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That's the one with... What's her name from Mad Men? Who was also in Hacks? With the red hair. Oh,

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Christina Hendricks? Yes.

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Thank you. Her... Mae Whitman and Retta, I believe, from Parks and Rec. Oh, yeah. Okay. I remember.

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Yeah. You definitely watched them. I know what that is now.

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Okay. I watched the first couple seasons. I just kind of, whatever, tapped out. Yeah. TV show called Moonshine. And then on top of all that, just like a ton of TV work, like appearances here and there. So that is Jonathan Silverman. Well done. Okay. So we have three people left. The first of which is, I'm going to, not too great with her last name, Holly Gagne?

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Yeah.

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All

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right. Gagner. Sure.

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Gagne.

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Gagne. Thank you. That's probably Gagne. Okay. Let's roll Gagne. I bet you anything that's it. Yeah. So she is Natalie. She is the nemesis. She is the- She's so

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mean.

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Rich bitch. Yeah.

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Said another way. Yes.

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Well, that's

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how they position her. Very much so.

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Yeah. And to be quite honest, she doesn't really have any redeeming qualities. They give her nothing to work with other

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than- There's no like- Like at the end, realizing like, oh, we're all just

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people that like to dance.

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No,

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no.

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It ends with her father telling her to shut up. That is her whole arc. He is sick of

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her shit.

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Yeah, I mean, I get it. It's Janie's story, but she's so one-dimensional in this movie. She's a real villain's villain. Yeah, they don't give her anything. I do appreciate, though, that what I'm going to say is the homage to her character in Clueless when Cher also has the, like, the... the closet of clothing that like is on, um,

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like a rails, like a evolving kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

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And that first came up in this film. Yeah. So, um, she's still definitely working a lot of TV work for the most part, but she was in a film called Gibby and F. Okay. Don't know what that's about. The other film that I have for her is also a sequel alligator to the mutation. Oh, okay. But outside of that, TV work, lots of appearances, and then also, you know, some longer stints on shows. So like Days of Our Lives, she was on for a while. Baywatch. Okay. Kind of surprised of all the shows, you would think that that one would have been already rebooted again. Yeah.

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Yeah, was it? Well, they made the movie.

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Yeah.

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Which I don't know how

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well. With like The Rock and yeah.

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Yeah, Zac Efron.

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But she was also on Pacific Blue, Chicken Girls, which I don't know. Chicken

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Girls,

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got it. Chicken Girls. Okay. And then another soap, like TV, daytime soap, General Hospital.

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Okay.

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Okay. So to close things out, we're going to talk about the two dads or the two main dads. I don't actually have Janie's dad in here, but I do have, because I think that like more so the storyline is with Jeff's dad.

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Yeah.

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And then also I thought that like, because look, Janie's dad, he's pretty.

SPEAKER_04 55:47

You iced out Ed Lauder?

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Okay. If you want to talk about him.

SPEAKER_04 55:50

No,

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no, it's fine. I just thought that like, I really, for the little amount of time that he's In the film, I really do like Biff Yeager, who plays Mr. Moline. He's a really cool character. Yeah. I think for the very little that he was given, he does as much as he can with it. So, yes, he is a single dad. He is a, you know, kind of blue-collar worker. He and Jeff, I think, understand each other better. I think he does have a little bit of a harder time with... Shannon Doherty because she's younger and she's like a girl he doesn't know she's going through puberty he doesn't really know how to deal with it but as far as Biff Yeager's career um you know it's funny because I mean he's still working to this day that's amazing yeah a lot of tv work but as far as like titles go I have a lot of film work for him so I love this title so evil my sister He's in that. He's also in Deep Jaws. Deep Jaws. Not Jaws, but Deep Jaws. Deep Jaws. Repo Man. Oh, amazing. When was that made? That was the 80s. Oh. Yeah, we could do it for sure. Jagged Edge, Sid and Nancy, Hollow Gate, another 48 Hours. I don't know who he is in this, but he is in Edward Scissorhands.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I have to believe he struck up some kind of friendship with Tim Burton because he's in Edward Scissorhands, Batman Returns, and Ed Wood. Unless, I guess, coincidence, but he's in all those films. I thought I included this because I feel like maybe there's a connection to the original. He's in a film called Repo Chick.

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It's gotta be.

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Gotta be, right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then TV work, he was on Gilmore Girls and Parks and Recreation. Okay. Okay, so rounding things out, because he is a very, like, to your point, like, really interesting casting of J.P. Sands, Natalie's dad.

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He's, yeah, he's an interesting silver haired guy.

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Very imposing figure.

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They make a point of talking about his white silver hair.

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The way he looks, his voice, all of it. So played by Morgan Woodward. He passed away in 2019, 93 years old. So he was with us for quite a while before he passed. And his very first credit was in 1956.

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Wow.

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It's pretty good.

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Yeah. So the first credit was for a film called The Great Locomotive Chase.

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That sounds fun.

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Yeah. So he did that. He did a ton of Western work.

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I believe it. For that time period, yeah.

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Both TV and film, but I have more so TV. So he was on the TV show The Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp, Wagon Train. He was in the film Cool Hand Luke.

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Yeah, I remember him from that, I think. I don't think he was a real fun guy in that either.

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Okay.

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He wasn't supposed to be, so he was kind of like a villain, villainous character there.

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He was in that. He was in a couple other films. Death of a Gunslinger, or I'm sorry, not Gunslinger, Gunfighter, and The Wild Country. I mean, again, to back up my point, he was on all of these TV series, Bonanza, Gunsmoke, How the West Was Won. Wow. Yeah. So big time in the Western world, but he also did Dallas. He also was on The Soap, Days of Our Lives, and just like a ton of, I mean, this guy was very busy over the course of his career. He's in a

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ton of, yeah, just a ton of stuff. Yeah.

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Okay, film synopsis.

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What do we got? What could we

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possibly have? Okay, I'll just read it first before I give my opinion. Okay. Janie is new in town and soon meets Lynn, who shares her passion for dancing in general and dance TV in particular. That is the whole synopsis.

SPEAKER_04 59:58

That's kind of the whole movie, though.

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What about Jeff? Oh, yeah, there is Jeff. And what about the actual competition? It's not just that this is a girl who likes this TV show. She's trying out for

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it. You know what? You're putting me in my place. You're right. You are an expert on this movie in a way that I am not. this, you have, you've shown me how this synopsis is

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totally lacking. I've opened your eyes to the inadequacy of the film synopsis. I

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was willing to gloss over it and just give him a pass and be like, yeah,

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I mean, I just think that, you know

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what? No, this is fucking bullshit.

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Jeff should be included. And also the fact that they're competing for the show. Yeah. I mean, look, it is not a right rocket science kind of film. It's, it is a teen flick that was probably very much trying to capitalize on John Hughes. Um, Both John Hughes and the proliferation of, for whatever reason... Competitive dance. Yeah, dance-centric films of the 80s.

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My synopsis would be the daughter of a responsible tycoon who employs the entire surrounding area is plunged into a cutthroat dance competition by the upstart... younger classmen who suddenly move in on her territory

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you're doing like this like karate kid reversal aren't you i was trying i was

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trying to

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you're trying to position janie as the villain

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i was yeah i was trying to just i don't think it worked it was worth a shot

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i mean i think that natalie and jp sands are really fun they bring a lot of energy to the film um I think everybody's pretty decent. I think you mentioned that earlier in the conversation. Everybody's pretty good in this film. I think that Helen Hunt does a great job of being that really quirky friend. Jeff is like serviceable. I think that you could have had any number of male actors from that era fill that role. But could they

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dance?

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But could they dance? But could he dance? Um...

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He could, just not at the same level.

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I mean, you brought up a really funny point that almost every practice that they have, or just anytime you see him dancing, he's wearing jeans almost the whole time, as well as his leather jacket.

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This guy was a sweaty mess in almost every scene, and in almost every practice, he's just full-on denim. I

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mean, he's an interesting character because he's kind of portrayed as like... you know, he rides motorcycle and he does wear a leather jacket and he's kind of this tough guy. I think it's interesting that they also position him as like somebody who is a good dancer because I think some people might view being a tough kind of manly man type dude, um, incompatible. Yeah. Like being a dancer.

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Even his dad, he didn't really care that he was auditioning for a dance thing. He's just like, well, that's cool. But like, what are you doing for a job or a trade school or something? So yeah, no, that's a good point.

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Um, in a weird way. And I know I might like create a lot of enemies by saying this. He, in the most slightest way, kind of reminds me of Patrick Swayze from dirty dancing. Oh

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my God. How dare you?

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Where they have like kind of the similar like energy about them. They're kind of these like very masculine presenting guys. Um, but then they both are dancers as well.

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Yeah.

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Is all I'm saying.

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Yeah. It was interesting because it kind of like flips Dirty Dancing on its head where she is honestly the better dancer. Oh, for

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sure. I just meant his character.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Not necessarily the couple. It

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was probably the hair.

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She does have very similar hair to Jennifer Grey. Well, yes. His

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hair gives me some Swayze vibes.

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Yes. His hair. And then Jennifer Grey and Sarah Jessica Parker, I believe, both dated. Yeah. Well, so Sarah Jessica Parker married Matthew Broderick. Okay. And then Jennifer Grey dated him. Actually, I think they dated while they were doing Ferris.

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That's kind of weird because they

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were siblings in that. They were siblings in that film. But Sarah Jessica Parker, I mean, he might have a type because of the curly hair.

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Today I learned.

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Yeah. So that was so neither here nor there. But, I mean, it's not a film that has a lot to, like... I don't know if there's a lot of depth to be like.

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There's no, no, there's not. There's really not. It's these kids. They just want to have fun. You know, there's some dancing. I

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mean, I do think that there are like some elements that are like, just, they make me smile. They're kind of silly. But like, for instance, when Drew is getting fitted for his suit at the mall, um, And then Maggie, Shannon Doherty, sees Janie and Lynn, and she's like, there's Janie and that cool girl. I mean, things like that are just kind of wholesome and make me laugh. Or, you know, just like little things like at the actual– at the tryouts when– You know, Natalie pulls in and apparently almost hits Janie and Lynn. And then Lynn does this like walk over to her, but ends up just checking out her appearance.

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She made it look like she was going to slap her. And then it just moved into one of those like, no, I'm just fixing my hair.

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There's just really fun little touches to the film. Well,

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then like Helen Hunt's character, she does terrible in the audition because her partner. But it's not her fault. No, because Natalie paid that guy

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off. That's right. She paid him. And she is very deliberate about smacking those bills in his hands so everybody can see that she had paid him off. So there's no confusion about it.

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The villainous behavior really begins at that moment and only escalates from there.

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Sure, sure. But it is, yeah, there's just, it's, I'm not saying it's even in like my top 10 movies, but it's always just like... A fun, stupid movie to watch. It is. And I

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enjoy it. So I have one really like out there list of movies, the top 10 list of movies that I didn't realize Robert Downey Jr. was in. Oh,

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sure.

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This is definitely the top. This is your fun fact. Yeah. This is the top. He's when they're at the country club and they're First of all, fucking kind of nuts that the way they crash it is a guy literally does a fucking forward flip through a window. Through the window, and then they just trash the country club. Robert Downey Jr. is one of the party crashers who flips over a table.

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Didn't realize that. I mean, that's wild to me because I feel like he'd already been doing stuff for him to have such a small role

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in

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the film is kind of interesting to me.

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He'll be in Back to School when we get to that.

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But... But yeah, in any case, because Weird Science is also the same year as this, and he has a much more prominent role in that film. But that scene, actually, I'm really glad that you brought up that scene, because that is a really funny scene. I think it's hilarious, the convention of, like, the party has started, everything's normal, everything's going on, and then all these party crashers show up at the exact same time.

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Yeah.

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And,

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like... Again, the guy just, like, jumping through the window was... Pretty amazing.

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And even just like the events leading up to the party where they have the montage of the three girls handing out the invitations to everybody to all these like, I'm doing air quotes here, you know, all the

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punkers

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all the punks or like the women bodybuilders yeah yeah all these people that you wouldn't want at a party you know

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the strong women that showed up and just started like picking people up and

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yeah like it was it was really funny but like again really iconic I don't know why I saw this film as young as I ever did I don't remember like a first viewing of it but the scene where the guy's on the table with his guitar and he's his foot goes into the turkey is just like like burned in my memory. Like I just remember images of that.

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He gets that Turkey up over a shoe and he just, he just rolls with it.

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Yeah. Um, and like

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Angus young up there doing like that move with his guitar, with the Turkey flopping around.

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And of course the like very choreographed dancing.

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Oh, like, yeah, I know they all, they all hit their marks. They're all like lined up and go through the whole routine. It,

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It's just really funny. Cause this film, I mean, it's not the only film, but it's just like, it has so many of these, like I keep using this word throughout this episode, but like these tropes that come through that at the time probably didn't feel like a trope because we're talking about a film that's like from 85, but in retrospect, you're like, wow, it hits all of these like markers of like certain things in 80s films.

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Very much so. It was, it was fun to watch for that reason alone. Like there weren't really high stakes. Um, There wasn't a lot going on other than them, like... getting ready for this dance competition but it was fun because of that because of all the like 80s yeah just like nailed on the head

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nearly at nearly um I don't know I call it Janie and Jeff are not going to stay together they will probably have a fine career on dance TV I don't see them being a permanent love match

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I don't think they're making it because at some point Jeff's dad's gonna be like how much are you making from this time to hit up the trade schools and then Janie's just moving to another city

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I mean Janie might go on to do performance She could. Anything

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is possible in the world of girls just want to

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have fun. You know, it's fun. Actually, I don't know why this occurred to me, but in thinking about where all these characters are going, one thing that I think is really interesting, we get absolutely nothing about Lynn's home life. Like, we see the home lives of most of the other characters, but for her being as prominent as she is in the film, we know nothing about her background.

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I just assumed she was like the quirky latchkey

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kid. She might be, and we just don't know. I think in a weird way, like, because... Look, Sarah Jessica Parker went on to become who she is, and she's had a great career. But Lynn, in a lot of ways, is the far more interesting character in this film. Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:47

And actually makes a point of even though she knows she's probably looked at a certain way both by students and teachers at their school, she is very uniquely herself. She has her own perspective. She has her own voice. She doesn't care what other people think about it. And she's also a good person. She is this quirky person, but she's not selfish. She's actually very, very generous with Janie and helping her for whatever she needs. And she's... In a lot of ways, like the more dynamic character, but... I

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can't disagree with any of that. So that... So that was...

SPEAKER_02 1:11:25

Okay, so before we move on, I just have to ask, would you ever want to watch it again? I mean, I know my

SPEAKER_04 1:11:33

answer, but... If you were watching it again, I would happily watch it with you. But am I just going to watch it myself out of nowhere? Probably not. But it's honestly one of those movies that's way more fun to watch with you.

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Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. I'll take that.

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If you walked in and you were just like, are you watching Girls Just Want to

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Have Fun? I wouldn't judge you for it. As far as Call to Action goes, I mean, look, at this point, I'm probably going to miss one or maybe even two. But we've covered a fair number of movies from this era that have dance themes around it. So we have this. We did Flashdance.

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I mean, Sarah Jessica Parker's in two of them.

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Yeah, we did Flashdance earlier this season, and then in prior seasons, we've done Footloose, we've done Fame, we've done Chorus Line, so we've had all these different movies that have, like, dance as, like, a... plot point yeah in them and i'm just curious as far as like people who maybe lean into those types of like movies and they all look to be fair like flash dance is not this film like very different tonally um

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different yeah like the characters are all at very different stages in their lives

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yeah it's not a teen film in the way this is this is more closely aligned to like footloose it is and and even like you know chorus line and fame those two are more closely related than to any of the other films. But again, they all have this one kind of like thematic common denominator. And so I'm just curious, you know, when it comes to like thinking about all those types of films from this era, what do you most enjoy? What do you gravitate towards? Is this one of them?

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Yeah. That would be my question. I, I will answer that question in lieu of providing my own.

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Okay.

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And just say that for me, what, what, what would be part of like me ranking those different types of movies is really the music.

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Yes.

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And like it probably, if I'm just looking at like the music involved, I might be leaning towards flash dance, but if I'm just looking at like the movie overall, probably footloose, but then, you know, chorus line probably more closely aligned with, uh, fame.

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They all have famous songs. They do. Yeah. Yeah. No one.

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It's taken me months to get that song from Chorus Line out of my head. And I didn't want to think about it too much or else it might hop back in there. But they're all like fun in their own unique way.

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Yeah. No. I agree with you. And if you want to get in touch with us, we'd love to hear from you. You can reach out through Facebook, Twitter X, or Instagram. Same handle at all three, at 80s Montage Pod and 80s is 80S. That's it. Yeah. That's it. Sneak peek. What do we got? So... We have said that, like, in large part, although we had a fantastic time with our guest, Chris, for The Gate, we're not doing a ton of guest episodes anymore, but...

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That's just how we are. Don't be upset.

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So... We are, for the first time, to my knowledge, to my memory, having a guest back on the show for a sequel for which they were the guest for the original.

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Yeah, I think that's a first.

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That has to be a first. I know

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we've done like 5,000 episodes at least at this point. But I'm confident that that is a first.

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And that first episode was all the way back in season one. It was Back to the Future. Yep. So we are having back on the show Casey Campbell. He is going to talk about Back to the Future 2.

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Which got pretty close to predicting the Cubs winning the World Series, right? I

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think they were off by a year. Yeah, I think so. So kind of crazy.

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No flying cars, but pretty close

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to predicting the Cubs. Yeah, it was kind of funny. And of course, we love this person so much. He's been with us for a couple other episodes as well. He does not shy away from sequels because we did Grease 2 with him.

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Yeah.

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But then also not a sequel, but we did more recently Prancer. That's right. Not to

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be confused with Trancers.

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Not to be confused with Trancers. So we are super excited to have him back on the show. We know that like, so we've had... some guests in the past. Notably, like, Dave, for instance. Dave is a huge Halloween fan. He's also a huge, like, Sylvester Stallone, Rocky fan. We've had a couple guests where we've been really lucky to have them on for these, like, films or franchises that they really personally love. And Back to the Future is that for Casey.

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And I think that comes through the first time we spoke with him. For sure. For the first movie,

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yeah. Yeah, yeah. So... It is really awesome that we're going to get to have him back on a film that obviously he knows really well and he loves a bunch.

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I'm just excited that you're going to watch all of Back to the Future 2,

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which has not

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historically been one of your favorite movies.

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It hasn't, but I will keep an open mind because it's been a while since I've even tried to watch it. All right. On that note, thank you to everybody for hanging with us. As I mentioned, this is our mid-season episode, so I don't do this often, but I'll just give a quick ask if you are at all inclined to give us a review on any of the podcast hosts, Apple. Hit like, subscribe. Yeah. Is that– Was that it? I mean, maybe not like, it's not like smash that subscribe button or whatever, but, but if, but if you want to give

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