'80s Movie Montage
Breaking down our favorite decade of flicks. Hosted by Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke.
'80s Movie Montage
Back to the Future Part II
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With special -- and returning! -- guest Casey Campbell, Anna and Derek discuss the genius of Tom Wilson's performance(s), those infamous actor swaps, and much more during their chat of Back to the Future Part II (1989).
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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.
Casey Campbell is an LA based Actor/Voice Over Artist. Currently, he is the main promo voice for NBATV and NBA on TNT, as well as a regular voice artist for The Late Show With Stephen Colbert on CBS. His on-screen work includes Murphy the Chef on Disney’s “Bunk’d,” “Mighty Med,” “Best Friends Whenever” and NBC’s “Superstore.”
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SPEAKER_05:Hello and welcome to 80s Movie Montage. This is Derek.
SPEAKER_01:And this is Anna.
SPEAKER_05:And that was Tom Wilson as Biff Tannen talking to Tom Wilson as Biff Tannen. And of course, I say of course a lot, but this time I really mean it. And of course, 1989's Back to the Future Part 2.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, our probably hands down favorite. And that's not to take away from anybody else in this film, but like...
SPEAKER_05:I am taking away from everyone else.
SPEAKER_01:Tom Wilson was incredible.
SPEAKER_05:It's
SPEAKER_01:his film.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, he's kind of the most important character in the movie.
SPEAKER_01:Characters? Well,
SPEAKER_05:at least, yeah, several.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So, Back to the Future Part 2. This one is very fun because we have... So, we mentioned it before. We're... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As everyone will hear a little bit later on in the podcast, this is a much beloved franchise for him. And so this is really special because we now get to cover the second film and really the only other eligible film in the trilogy to talk to him about. I mean,
SPEAKER_05:three comes up a little bit, but...
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but we wouldn't do like an episode devoted just to three because it's 90.
SPEAKER_05:There are rules. They are our rules.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_05:And we can break them if we want to, if we so desired or chose.
SPEAKER_01:80s movie montage. All right. All right. So let's dive in. Of course, I'm also using, of course, liberally, but like accurately, we're covering... almost all entirely repeat players because of this being a sequel. I mean,
SPEAKER_05:to the extent that we're not, it gets a little spicy.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, it does. There are some notable exceptions.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, this comes up a little bit in our conversation with Casey, but...
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so let's do it. Okay, you already mentioned 1989. And this very much was the baby of Robert Zemeckis and then his writing partner, Bob Gale. Yep. So they wrote the first film... and they wrote this one, and they wrote the third one. So for the first film, I'm sure it came up when we talked about this, they did get a Best Original Screenplay Oscar nomination, which completely deserved. I think so. Completely deserved. I mean, I am almost certain I also brought this up when we talked about the first film. Back to the Future, the script, is used all around different film schools as an example of almost a perfect screenplay. in terms of plot development, character development, the whole deal.
SPEAKER_05:I'll always find it somewhat surprising how much potential incest there is in the possibly perfect script. Sure.
SPEAKER_01:But for this one, too, I mean, for the most part, Zemeckis, he's credited with a story and characters credit, so maybe he didn't exactly do the pen to paper or... finger to keyboard or whatever in the same way that Bob Gale did. But really quickly, let's go over some of his writing credits. Some familiarity. I mean, maybe at some point we'll do a couple of these movies because they're eligible. So he was the writer, one of the writers on 1941.
SPEAKER_05:That movie has come up so many times just tangentially from other things. And it comes up a little bit later on as well. Maybe we should. Maybe we should.
SPEAKER_01:I don't
SPEAKER_05:know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Honestly, I don't know the film. I just know that it wasn't received well.
SPEAKER_05:I just am aware of its infamy.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, exactly. He wrote Used Cars, already mentioned this trilogy. And then he also, of course, then has credit for the Back to the Future TV series.
SPEAKER_05:Which I think was animated, right? Because I remember watching
SPEAKER_01:that as a kid. You told me that, so I'm going to trust you on that. I never watched it, but that would make sense. Yeah. Yeah. Bordello of Blood. Oh, yeah. A little outside of his normal fare, but...
SPEAKER_05:Isn't that Tales from the Crypt thing? Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I think that has that tie. Of course, The Polar Express. More recently, Welcome to Marwen, The Witches, and maybe two years ago, Pinocchio.
SPEAKER_05:He
SPEAKER_01:did.
SPEAKER_05:Welcome to Marwen was... an interesting choice for a movie since there was an actual existing documentary about that individual which seemed like all you needed to get that story out but nevertheless
SPEAKER_01:so Bob Gale he's an interesting figure like he and Zemeckis are very much writing partners or were um For this in particular, he has story, characters, and screenplay credit. So he has 33 writing credits. 17 of them are in some way connected to Back to the Future. So half of his writing credits have to do with this franchise. But again, a little repetitive here, but among his writing credits, 1941. We
SPEAKER_05:got to cover that
SPEAKER_01:movie. Used cars. And then Bordello Ablood appears to be the last collaboration that they did together. So... very familiar name of course like Zemeckis wrote and directed this film so um he is a person who it seems like well I mean he didn't direct 1941 infamously that was Spielberg but it seems like for ones that he writes he tends to direct them but he also directs things that just like come his way like he doesn't have to be the writer on them to like he's not that kind of person um But used cars, was attracted by him. We have covered him several times. We have. I don't know if he holds the record. Maybe, because he did Romancing the Stone, which we covered way back in season one as well with Krishna. That was the first time she was on the show. Go check that one out. Already mentioned that, of course, he directed the first Back to the Future. Go check out that episode with Casey. He also, he did the whole trilogy, so he directed the third one as well.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, two and three were like really made at the same time, right? Like one-
SPEAKER_01:Per Casey, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:My sense is that after one, maybe they had wanted to, but it took a while for it to like- for it to get there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But
SPEAKER_05:then two and three were essentially made concurrently.
SPEAKER_01:Well, the film that probably got in the way, I think Casey had mentioned as such, was, and we've covered this film as well, Who Framed Roger Rabbit? That's right. And that was with Jonathan. Please check out that one. That's a great flick. Now we're getting into the 90s. Some films that I love, I've mentioned it before. I love Death Becomes Her. That's such a fun movie. I think I... Did I read that they were going to do, is it a reboot, a sequel? I don't know. Anyway, I've heard that that property is maybe in talks to get remade in some way. Okay. He is an Oscar-winning director. He won for Forrest Gump. He is the director behind a film that you particularly love, Contact.
SPEAKER_05:I really like that. That movie is great. I mean, it's based off of a Carl Sagan novel called And honestly, it's one of the few movies where I actually enjoyed most of the movie more than the book. Until maybe the very end, I think the end of the book did a little bit better job with the portrayal of her meeting with the alien and how it all wrapped up. But yeah, that was a great movie and a great adaptation from that novel.
SPEAKER_06:Cool.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He did What Lies Beneath with Harrison Ford and Michelle Pfeiffer. Castaway, like he and Tom Hanks clearly have a great working relationship. He's been the star of several of his films. I had mentioned Forrest Gump. He's the star, of course, of Castaway. He is very similar to Tom Wilson, plays many characters in The Polar Express. Yeah, he
SPEAKER_05:does.
SPEAKER_01:So Zemeckis also directed Flight. He did direct Welcome to Marwen. And then the last two credits as well that he had had for writing, he directed The Witches and he directed Pinocchio. Unfortunately for him, like... I didn't watch that Pinocchio. I also, to be fair, did not watch del Toro's
SPEAKER_05:Pinocchio. There were a couple of Pinocchios come out at once
SPEAKER_01:and it was like, it was a weird, but that tends to happen sometimes.
SPEAKER_05:Double Pinocchio, double jeopardy. I just didn't watch either one of them.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So, okay. So moving on to cinematography, a very familiar name, a gentleman who is well-known top of his craft, Dean Cundy. And he's, he's so fun. Um, He definitely, I think it's safe to say, got his start in horror and has very much branched out since then. But he started with some of his early works, Satan's Cheerleaders. That
SPEAKER_05:has got to be one of my favorite titles of all time.
SPEAKER_01:He is, of course, the DP behind Halloween. What's
SPEAKER_05:that movie about?
SPEAKER_01:So he did that. Had... It appears a relationship with Carpenter. He also directed The Fog, which we watched for the first time last year. I really wanted to like it because it's Carpenter and it's
SPEAKER_05:spooky. Had some fun ideas. Had some cool ideas, but...
SPEAKER_01:It felt a little half-baked. I don't know. He did also Escape from New York, another Carpenter film.
SPEAKER_05:Love that movie.
SPEAKER_01:Jaws of
SPEAKER_05:Satan. Is that like a Jaws sequel? I
SPEAKER_01:doubt it, but...
SPEAKER_05:What a fucking name
SPEAKER_01:if it was. Maybe they are playing on that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He also was the DP for The Thing. So, I mean, he's come up before for sure, and we'll get into a couple other titles that he's done. So he was the DP on that. He came back for Halloween 3, Season of the Witch.
SPEAKER_05:What I like best about Halloween 3, Season of the Witch, is how... like how tight the story is and how much it just like picks up right where Halloween 2 leaves off.
SPEAKER_01:It's remarkable. I like Halloween 3. It is so bonkers. Some really horrific, like look. Oh, yeah. No, there's
SPEAKER_05:some there's some gnarly things happening in that movie.
SPEAKER_01:It does depend on context. I don't want to see kids getting killed just for whatever. But like when that family goes in the room and the music starts and he has the mask on and like it is horrific.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But executed well.
SPEAKER_05:Apparently, there was a time where people just really looked forward to killing off fucking kids in these horror movies.
SPEAKER_01:It is a scene that sticks with you.
SPEAKER_05:Like the blob? Yeah. There's two. I got
SPEAKER_01:two. There's two. He also was the DP on Romancing the Stone. He did the first and third. So that's what I was saying at the top of this conversation. I would say... Most of the main players behind the camera and almost all of the main players in front of the camera came back for this trilogy. So he also shot Big Trouble in Little China.
SPEAKER_05:Amazing movie.
SPEAKER_01:Just amazing. That was way, way, way back in season one with Owen. Is it as
SPEAKER_05:good as Dragon Slayer? It's probably better, but they're both right at the top of the list.
SPEAKER_01:He, so far, has gotten his one and only Oscar nom for Who Framed Roger Rabbit. So... A huge, huge collaborator with Zemeckis. Yeah, that makes sense. At the
SPEAKER_05:time, that was pretty, like, groundbreaking.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah. It still holds up. The
SPEAKER_05:fact that it holds up now is kind of amazing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. He also shot Death Becomes Her. I personally have said it before, I think, and I get it. I get that, like, so much of it's special effects. And to, before I forget, this particular film, part two, did get an Oscar nom for best effects visual effects. So I get that there's maybe, you know, who, not who's responsible for what, but, like, it can be misinterpreted what you're seeing on screen, whether that's, like, comes out of cinematography, comes out of the collaboration. But I personally feel like obviously the cinematographer has to collaborate really closely with whoever's doing visual effects so it all comes together. And I bring that up because of Jurassic Park.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah. I mean, the effects in Back to the Future 2, it's really the technology that they use to have the multiple versions of the same person
SPEAKER_01:in at the same time.
SPEAKER_05:Right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, that's also a function of editing, like how exactly they did that. So all these different maneuvers, but like all these different ways, mechanisms that they create this is definitely collaboration between different departments. But I think he should have gotten a little love for Jurassic Park. He also shot Apollo 13.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And then more recently, he has done TV work. He has shot both on The Book of Boba Fett and The Mandalorian. Okay, moving on to another familiar name, Alan Silvestri. And he has done so many movies that people just love. Again, a lot of familiar names. I'm kind of going through these quickly because they are people that have come up not just recently, in the first film that we've covered but just in other episodes so early early in his career he did the iconic chips the tv series
SPEAKER_05:oh really he did that theme song yeah that's it
SPEAKER_01:that's all you're gonna get that's all you're gonna get he also was the composer on romancing the stone he is I mean, the music for the Back to the Future trilogy is iconic, and he is the person behind it. So the whole trilogy he is a part of. He did Summer Rental. Oh,
SPEAKER_05:my God. You know, I watched that movie this morning. Oh,
SPEAKER_01:okay. It was
SPEAKER_05:on again.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:Such a good movie.
SPEAKER_01:Flight of the Navigator, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, both Predator and Predator 2. He did. Soap Dish. Father of the Bride and its sequel, Death Becomes Her. So another very constant collaborator with Zemeckis. He did The Bodyguard. He got, I wonder who won that year. He got a Best Original Score nom for Forrest Gump, but didn't win, which that's surprising to me.
SPEAKER_05:Interesting. Yeah, that is, that is, because that's, hmm. What would have won that year?
SPEAKER_01:It was 92, I think. We'll
SPEAKER_05:get back
SPEAKER_01:to that. Judge Dredd, he did the music for Contact. So this is a go. I recently heard that they're going to do a sequel to Practical Magic.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, you were just telling me about that. Was I? Yeah, you were. Okay. Because we saw it on the listing. We saw it was on.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay. Yeah. And apparently both Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman have signed on to do it. So that's
SPEAKER_05:fun.
SPEAKER_01:He was the composer for Castaway, What Women Want. He got another... Well, this time actually his best original song for the Polar Express. And he has... I mean... as if he wasn't already big time, but he is known probably famously in some like circles, fandoms for being the composer behind the Avengers and infinity war and end games. So like that iconic, those are
SPEAKER_05:good.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I mean the scene I can't, I have not a musical bone in my body, but like, you know, in the first Avengers film where they have that, That shot, that circular shot of them and the music. They're
SPEAKER_05:all posing. It was the first time you'd seen all of these standalone movie kind of comic book heroes all in one shot about to do a bunch of comic book shit.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. Yep. So he's behind that. The Croods, Ready Player One, and then more recently he has teamed up again with Zemeckis for The Witches and Pinocchio.
SPEAKER_05:You know, Ready Player One wasn't the first video game... centric movie that he had scored or they had composed on.
SPEAKER_01:What is it?
SPEAKER_05:He composed on the, we're talking about a lot of infamous movies, but the infamous live action Super Mario Brothers.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay. Film editing. We have two gentlemen to talk about. And yeah, this was a constant throughout the trilogy. So they were the editors on all three films, although they were not an editing partnership. So it's interesting that they were both pulled. Forced
SPEAKER_05:to work together.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. So the first is Harry Karamaitis.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And interesting filmography really covers like the 80s and 90s and then that is it. He was the editor for, I do want to do this film at some point, Children of the Corn.
SPEAKER_05:That comes, yeah.
UNKNOWN:Okay.
SPEAKER_05:I'd be happy to talk about those fucking weird kids.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so he did that. Of course, this trilogy about last night. Big business. Chances are... So, like, known movies. Yeah. Chances are Man of the House, the 95 Judge Dredd.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, the Sylvester Stallone one as opposed to the Carl Urban.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Was Colin Farrell...
SPEAKER_05:I don't know. I think Max von Sydow was in the 1995 one. Oh,
SPEAKER_01:okay.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He also cut First Kid in, I don't know about this title, Barely Legal.
UNKNOWN:Oh, God.
SPEAKER_05:That's from 2003?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, is it more recently? I didn't... I thought... Most of the titles are 80s and 90s, but... Yeah,
SPEAKER_05:no, I'm surprised that in 2003 someone wasn't like, ah, no, maybe we shouldn't do...
SPEAKER_01:Not an okay title. Okay, so moving on to Arthur Schmidt. He just passed away last year. Really notable editor who was an Oscar winner as well. So some of his credits... I mean... I understand that Jaws is a franchise, although I think it's kind of done as a franchise. I don't think it's like Sharknado has kind of taken over its place in like the most camp way. I
SPEAKER_05:do love the Jaws reference in this movie that we're covering, Back to the Future 2, where it's like this time it's really, really very, very seriously personal.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And Schmidt was the editor for Jaws 2. He gets his first Oscar attention. He gets a film editing nomination for Coal Miner as I have said he cut on this entire trilogy he did Ruthless People he gets his first Oscar win for Who Framed Roger Rabbit
SPEAKER_05:yeah as soon as he said that he won I saw the list of movies I figured that was probably going to be it
SPEAKER_01:he cut The Rocketeer Death Becomes Her The Last of the Mohicans.
SPEAKER_05:That is just a fun, family,
SPEAKER_01:uplifting movie. That is such a tough movie. It's so beautiful. The score is gorgeous, but I... I just don't have it in me anymore to watch films like that. It's just too tough. The last 20 minutes of the film, I'm just weeping. I just can't. Okay. So he also did Adam's Family Values. He gets his second Oscar win for Forrest Gump. So Zemeckis threw him a couple films that he got some Oscars out of. Nice. He cut The Birdcage. He was the editor on Contact. Primary colors. Let me
SPEAKER_05:talk about Contact for a minute.
SPEAKER_01:Primary colors. What Lies Beneath, Castaway, Pirates of the Caribbean, The Curse of the Black Pearl, and then his final credit. He had been retired long before he passed. His final credit is from 2005, The Chum Scrubber.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, we are at the stars of this film. And even though we said at the top, all the love to Tom Wilson, we are going to start with Michael J. Fox.
SPEAKER_05:Makes sense.
SPEAKER_01:Of course, who in this particular film plays Marty McFly, Marty McFly Jr., And Marlene McFly.
SPEAKER_05:It's true.
SPEAKER_01:And of Marty McFly, he plays two different versions of Marty McFly.
SPEAKER_05:Old and young. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So... When's the last time we talked about him? Um... Actually, maybe it hasn't been since... There are other films from the 80s we can cover. We just haven't done it yet. Although one I feel very strongly...
SPEAKER_05:Yeah?
SPEAKER_01:We're going to bring up very soon.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
UNKNOWN:So...
SPEAKER_01:There is for sure a demographic that first knows him as Alex P. Keaton from Family Ties. Iconic role. It's so interesting. I have not revisited that TV series ever, but I think it'd be super interesting nowadays to watch... And, you know, he obviously was a huge fan of Reagan. That was kind of one of the ongoing jokes.
SPEAKER_05:He was like the president of the Young Republican Society or
SPEAKER_01:something. Yeah, like his parents were hippies. Yes. And he was a Republican.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. That's what it was. It was all so innocent. And, like, most people were still trying to, like, do what they thought was best for everyone. It wasn't... It was not like it is now.
SPEAKER_01:That's why I feel like it would be really interesting to watch that show and see the way they depict his Republicanism. Yeah. So... There's that. He was in Class of 84. A lot of high school, which I guess I get it because he was young at that time, high school flicks. Class of 84, High School USA. Of course, he is the star of this entire trilogy. The film I was talking about, I very much want to do Teen Wolf.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah. Yeah, we have to do that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so that is honestly a film I just love. He was in The Secret of My Success, which I wouldn't mind doing that at some point. I remember it's been very long since I've watched it. It's
SPEAKER_05:been so long, it's like I've never seen it. because I have never seen it.
SPEAKER_01:It's okay. It's not like top 10 or top 100 probably even, but it's not a bad flick.
SPEAKER_05:How do you rate that compared to Doc Hollywood, a film that sadly would be ineligible for this podcast?
SPEAKER_01:Well, in between those two, so he did do the whole, like, I'd like to try more dramatic fare.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So he did Bright Lights, Big City, as well as Casualties of War. Casualties of War, I believe, is 89, so that would be the last one from this decade that we could cover with him. But... Then he kind of returns to like the lighter comedic. So Doc Hollywood, I don't really know that film that well, but that's probably what people feel more comfortable. That's kind of an unfair thing to say, but it happens with certain actors where you're like, I don't want to see you being like a whatever. Yeah. He's great, though, in The Frighteners.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I really like that movie.
SPEAKER_01:He's so, so good in that. That's a great film. And then more recently in his career, he's really pivoted heavily into television. So Spin City, he was the star for a really long time. He had an ongoing role on Boston Legal. He had a show called The Michael J. Fox Show. Why
SPEAKER_05:not?
SPEAKER_01:He, I believe, also had a recurring role on The Good Wife, Designated Survivor, and then more recently, The Good fight by the same creators. The same creators as Evil.
SPEAKER_05:Interesting. What an interesting show Evil is.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I guess we're going to just continue to watch it.
SPEAKER_05:Why not?
SPEAKER_01:So, moving on. Now... I'm going to put it out there. I think at this point this actor holds the record for the most times being discussed on this podcast. Oh, you
SPEAKER_05:think so?
SPEAKER_01:Really? I really do. Yeah, Christopher Lloyd. I mean, when you have, like, you're topping out at, like, close to 300 credits, I think, you know, and he's been around for a while. He plays Dr. Emmett Brown, of course. He does play also, like, two versions of himself because we see him again in 1955. Yeah. But... There
SPEAKER_05:aren't as many differences. No. Between. He's
SPEAKER_01:like a slightly different haircut.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But Christopher Lloyd's amazing. He has had just the most incredible career up until just like a couple weeks ago. We saw him in a TV show, which I will get to in a second. Over the course of this career. So his very first credit is. Very notable first credit, and I brought it up before. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So he was in that. A lot of people know him as, what, Reverend Jim from Taxi.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I still think of him as that character, and I didn't even really watch that
SPEAKER_01:show. No, that was kind of before a show like that would have been appropriate for a kid. Taxi
SPEAKER_05:is a great show if you want to watch a comedy show. About a bunch of people that work out of like a taxi cab company with literally the saddest fucking theme song you could ever imagine.
SPEAKER_01:That in Hill Street Blues. It is
SPEAKER_05:the unfunniest
SPEAKER_01:theme song. So many sad theme songs from the 80s.
SPEAKER_05:It's a good song, but it's not like I hear it and I'm like, I don't want to laugh.
SPEAKER_01:So probably the most recent time that we've brought him up was for Mr. Mom. which was just earlier this season. Yeah. So go check that one out. He has a small part in it, but notable. He is in Star Trek III, The Search for Spock, which we have not covered yet.
SPEAKER_05:That son of a bitch kills Kirk's son. Spoilers.
SPEAKER_01:Wow. He came up... Was this... Yeah, I think I want to say this is our season finale for season one. The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the Eighth Dimension.
SPEAKER_05:What's his name in that?
SPEAKER_01:Is
SPEAKER_05:it John Big Booty?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. And that also was with Owen, so go check that one out. Of course, he's part of this entire trilogy. He was in Clue, which we covered with Andy. You're right, yeah. So go check that out. And then, of course, he's also in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, which, again, we did with Jonathan. Judge
SPEAKER_05:Doom.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so those are all films that we've already covered with him, including... This and the first, so that's two, three, four, five, six films. Yeah. I think he has the record right now. He was also in Eight Men Out, The Dream Team. He is in both The Addams Family as well as Adam Family Values, Dennis the Menace, Angels in the Outfield. He's done, I mean, he's done everything, TV included. So he was on a show called Deadly Games. I don't know it, but he was in it. Baby Geniuses, which is the film. Another TV series, I Come a Dream. Oh. Prana 3D. Nice. I want to check that one out. I also want to check out Dead Before Dawn 3D. Yeah. I appreciate him embracing his horror side. We've talked about this before because we say the same thing every time. He was in a film called I Am Not a Serial Killer.
SPEAKER_05:Exactly what a serial killer would say.
SPEAKER_01:And that is what you say. Yes. Every time. Yes, every time. I
SPEAKER_05:have to.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, you just brought this up last night. What? He's in Spirit Halloween.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, which
SPEAKER_01:I don't think we've seen. What did we see with Bruce Campbell?
SPEAKER_05:Oh, Army of Darkness.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, no, no, no. Oh, Evil Dead. No. Oh, Spider-Man 2. What we watched with him. Okay, I know what it was. I think I was conflating Spirit Halloween with Black Friday.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Because he's in that. And I feel like it's the same vibe. I
SPEAKER_05:don't know. They're both stores. Yeah, they're trapped in a spirit Halloween costume stop. Yeah, and
SPEAKER_01:in Black Friday, it's kind of a version of that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And then more TV work, Cyberchase, and then what I was referencing when we first brought him up was that he had a guest role on Hacks not too long ago.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, he was good. He was great in that. I mean, it's a great show. It is a great show.
SPEAKER_01:No, who else is great?
SPEAKER_05:Wait on me.
SPEAKER_01:Leah Thompson. Yeah, she is. So she's Lorraine, and she also plays different versions of Lorraine. She plays, let's see. You get a really quick glimpse of her in 1985. Yes.
SPEAKER_05:Then
SPEAKER_01:you see her, okay, so then in 2015. So that's two. And then we go back to an alter in 1985. That's three. And then back to, so four different versions of her.
UNKNOWN:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01:And she also, let's see here. She's come up once before outside of this trilogy for us, and there are certainly opportunities to bring her up again in the future.
SPEAKER_05:We probably will. I mean, we haven't covered Red Dawn, but we probably will.
SPEAKER_01:Or All the Right Moves.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Those are both her films. Of course, again, she's in an entire trilogy for Back to the Future. We could bring up Space Camp.
SPEAKER_05:Do
SPEAKER_01:you do
SPEAKER_05:that? Yeah. We could do Howard the Duck.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:You know, that was actually on last week, and I watched part of it. It is really bizarre. I definitely think we should definitely talk about it because there's a lot to talk about. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So the film that we have already covered with her, which is great, Some Kind of Wonderful, which we did with Kevin Smokler, so go check that one out. I'm not going to say it's in the news, but because so recently Andrew McCarthy's documentary Bratz, she's in that. She, I guess, was kind of... I don't know. I think there's a little bit of... debate over who is considered part of the brat pack
SPEAKER_05:I haven't really considered her part of that pack
SPEAKER_01:I didn't either but that's okay yeah so it feels like anybody who is like from late teens to under 25 was considered part of the brat pack back then according to like the way that from what I've heard I have not watched the documentary yet but the way that it is framed
SPEAKER_05:yeah and you're making a documentary you might just say like hmm who can we consider part of this pack to make it a more compelling right right Yes.
SPEAKER_01:She was in Casual Sex? Question
SPEAKER_05:mark? Yeah, there is a question mark there. The way that you asked, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Dennis the Menace? The Little Rascals. So she's done TV movies. There is a Jane Doe series that there's like nine of them that she was part of. And then also more recently in her career, a lot of TV work. This wasn't so recently, but she was the headliner in Carolina in the City. Oh, yeah. I know this has been a big show. Never watched it. Switched at birth. That was a big show. Really? Yes. Okay. And then more recently, the Spencer sisters. And that's just like stuff that she's kind of been a more, like a bigger part of. She's just done a ton of TV work outside of that. Okay, here we go. Our pale Tom Wilson, who we love. Both plays Biff Tannen and Griff Tannen.
SPEAKER_05:Griff Tannen is a little much.
SPEAKER_01:It's a tough... Look, there's some voice choices.
SPEAKER_05:Griff Tannen almost broke this movie for you. Let's just
SPEAKER_01:be honest. I mean, it's very reminiscent of Nick Cage choices in Peggy Sue Got Married.
SPEAKER_05:I can't believe I'm going to say this. I prefer, I very much prefer Nick Cage's choice. And I hated that choice.
SPEAKER_01:But Tom Wilson is an actor. So he plays one. So he plays one. The Biff tandem we see at the end of the first film in 85. Then we go to the future where there's both Elderly and Griff.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Then we go back to 85 where he's basically Trump.
SPEAKER_05:Basically.
SPEAKER_01:Then we go back to 55. So he plays five different...
SPEAKER_05:Yeah,
SPEAKER_01:I believe
SPEAKER_05:for Griff. It's like, OK, so he's supposed to be basically is like juiced up as the 1955 version.
SPEAKER_01:He's just the 2015 version with like,
SPEAKER_05:yeah, these cybernetic enhancements that made him even more off the rails. Yeah. So if you're going to have different voices or different ways to distinguish the different versions. Yeah. I get it, but boy, Griff, man. Boy, Griff.
SPEAKER_01:Wow. Okay, so Tom Wilson, still very much working to this day, super busy, has done a ton of stuff. He, too, part of this entire trilogy. We just covered him not that long ago, so I'm going to kind of fly through these credits for April Fool's Day. I
SPEAKER_05:love that that came out a year after Back to the Future.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, but you can tell it was shot before. He seems much younger. He
SPEAKER_05:does. It's true.
SPEAKER_01:He was in Action Jackson You
SPEAKER_05:got it.
SPEAKER_01:That is hard to say. I have a hard time with
SPEAKER_05:that. Action Jackson is tough to
SPEAKER_01:say. It's tough to say. It is. He was part of the TV series Back to the Future. He was in Camp Nowhere. He's done a ton of voice work. So he's done voice work for a show called Wing Commander Academy. Another show called Gargoyles. Casey brought him up because he does have a spectacular character in Freaks and Geeks. So he's in that. If you get the chance, it's one season. It was canceled far too soon.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, people talk about oh this show that i like on netflix got canceled welcome to the party
SPEAKER_01:yeah so he was in larry the cable guy health inspector the tv show ghost whisperer the film the heat with sandra bullock not to be
SPEAKER_05:confused with heat no if you rent the heat expecting to see val kilmer expertly changing out magazines while shooting at la police you're not gonna you're gonna see that anywhere Okay. Nowhere.
SPEAKER_01:So he's in the TV series. Zack Stone is going to be famous. He does more voice work for Trollhunters, Tales of Arcadia, as well as the Patrick Star Show, and then just a ton of TV appearances. It's kind of funny now that I'm thinking about it because we have a lot of people that we have just recently covered for other stuff, not really realizing that they're going to come up again. But in that category is also Elizabeth Shue. Yeah. So here's what you were talking about, where there's a couple notable exceptions to returning characters. The actor who played the original Jennifer in the first film did not return to the franchise, not for anything. She wasn't fired off the show or anything or the film. It's for personal reasons. And so they got Elizabeth Shue. to come in to play this character. It wasn't
SPEAKER_05:the same issue as... No, not at all.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And... You know, we talk about it with Casey, about how successful it was to have her be part of it. I mean, at this point, this is 89, so she's not an unknown. Like, she's done Karate Kid. She's done Cocktail. She's done the film that we just covered, Adventures in Babysitting. So she's done all these movies. So it's really interesting to me that they had her, because it's almost, like, glaring that you have this, like, really well-known actor background. filling in
SPEAKER_05:and then almost necessarily because of the way the story is working she's not really i don't want to say that she's underutilized because that's what the character would be like that that was what you'd expect for that character yeah But yeah, it was wild to get her and then essentially just have her be unconscious for most
SPEAKER_01:of the movie. Yes, exactly. So as mentioned, we just brought her up earlier this season in Adventures in Babysitting. So really encourage you to go check that one out. Really quickly going to run through some of her credits.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Mention the cruddy kid. Uh-huh. We did that all the way back in season one with, I believe, our very first guest, Jason. So go check that one out. She did a TV series called Call to Glory. She was in Cocktail, which we probably will cover at some point. We will. She is also in the third film of this trilogy, Soap Dish. So far, her one and only Oscar nomination is for Leaving Las Vegas. A couple of films, we have The Saint.
SPEAKER_05:Underrated movie.
SPEAKER_01:Deconstructing Harry. She's also in Piranha 3D. So she teams up with Christopher Lloyd there.
SPEAKER_05:What if I told you we've seen Piranha 3D?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, actually, I feel like we have watched that. I
SPEAKER_05:wasn't sure, but when you mentioned her, I'm like, oh, yeah, no.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I do. But I don't know if I saw it start to finish. Fair enough. I think I, yeah. Chasing Mavericks and then TV work. She is in The Boys, which you have been watching.
SPEAKER_05:Look, it... really doesn't go well for her that's all i'll say she was in the first season she's she's uh she's not in it anymore okay yeah
SPEAKER_01:uh she was also she had a really fun notable cameo over i think maybe two episodes on cobra kai
SPEAKER_05:yep
SPEAKER_01:on the verge and a show called super pumped amazing don't know it Okay, I really wanted to bring this guy up, even though he is really not in it for almost... all of it but
SPEAKER_06:perfect let's go
SPEAKER_01:he was such a great character in the first film I think he certainly was underutilized although I get it there's so much going on in this movie but James Tolkien who plays Strickland
SPEAKER_05:wow I definitely thought you're gonna bring up Jeffrey Wiseman but let's
SPEAKER_01:talk about he's gonna come up in a second he's the last guy I have but Tolkien so he is the principal from the first film who was the principal for both George McFly and Marty and he's so iconic he's like so like it it's sad to me that he's in it for like a literally 30 seconds but
SPEAKER_05:but what a few seconds he has
SPEAKER_01:yeah so he has come up before um as far as his credits go they might be giants the 1971 film i won't do it i won't
SPEAKER_05:do okay got ahead of it there
SPEAKER_01:serpico the amityville horror
SPEAKER_05:really yeah
SPEAKER_01:wow i wonder if at some point we'll do wolfen because i think that's another 81 film war games
SPEAKER_05:wait wolf did we watch wolfen 2 is that
SPEAKER_01:no we watched the original wolf
SPEAKER_05:what was what was the wolfen that had um christopher lee
SPEAKER_01:that was the howling your sister is a werewolf oh okay something like that howling 2
SPEAKER_05:yeah i think that had one of the most hilarious end credits That I've maybe ever seen, ever. Just go
SPEAKER_00:fast forward into the...
SPEAKER_01:Ridiculous.
SPEAKER_05:It's not family friendly.
SPEAKER_01:But not family friendly. But James Tolkien, he's in War Games, which I really want to do that sooner than later.
SPEAKER_05:Coming up next week, War Games.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. He is, of course, we've done him in Top Gun. That was with Katie and Brad back, I want to say season two, probably. Go check that out. He was on the TV show, Remington Steel. He also... Not super recently, but we did talk about him in Masters of the Universe. Oh, yeah. So that was last year with
SPEAKER_05:Paul. He was a cop in that, right? He was almost like the same character as he is in Back to the Future.
SPEAKER_01:He is in the film Viper, the 1989 film True Blood. Nothing to do with the show.
SPEAKER_05:Probably had a better ending.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Dick Tracy, Problem Child 2, the TV series Cobra, and then more recently, do you remember him? You watched this. I did not. Bone Tomahawk?
SPEAKER_05:Look, I have really put a lot of effort into purging all memory of that film from my brain. So no, I do not remember him in that. I don't remember a lot of it. I still remember that one scene. I can't ever get that out. That's all I have to say about Bone Tomahawk.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Finally, to your point, Jeffrey Weissman, who in this film plays George McFly.
SPEAKER_05:That's right. Upside down McFly.
SPEAKER_01:Upside down McFly. And I think he's also the person standing with Lorraine in the original 1985.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:So... Jeffrey Weissman is not Crispin Glover.
SPEAKER_05:No, he's Jeffrey Weissman.
SPEAKER_01:He's Jeffrey Weissman. Crispin Glover played George McFly in the original. We get into it a little bit with Casey. Crispin Glover did not come back to the trilogy, more so because of, I'm going to say, creative conflicts between him and the filmmakers. However, do your own research. You can very easily find all of this on Google, but they... had used footage of him without his consent, essentially. And this then had a ripple effect of then creating safeguards for actors. I mean, this is still a conversation because we're just having a newer way of talking about it with AI. And what is permissible in terms of using actors' likenesses or their voice for other properties that are not part of what they were originally hired for. So I fully support what he was able to achieve through the litigation. He
SPEAKER_05:had every right to file that claim. Yeah. And essentially, the studios paid for what they did. They
SPEAKER_01:settled. And honestly, drop in the bucket for them.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Well, that's why it settled, I suspect, because it was cheaper just to say, okay, we're going to wash our hands of this. Hopefully, they have learned something.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. But Jeffrey Weissman, so not a ton of credits. He has a lot of uncredited credits. In fact, I counted them. He has 18 uncredited credits. I feel like this poor guy, he has a career off of not being acknowledged in a weird way but some of his credits do include Twilight's End the movie which we did cover with Elise and Will last year so he is like they call him the young man for the segment Nightmare at 20,000 Feet I don't know who that is off the top of my
SPEAKER_05:head he's
SPEAKER_01:not the kid and he's also a man not the young girl but he's in that he was in a film called Pale Rider oh with Clint
SPEAKER_05:Eastwood yeah
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay. Right? Yeah. He, too, was part of the last film in this trilogy. He was in Car Babes, another film called Damn California.
SPEAKER_05:He's in some great titled movies. And
SPEAKER_01:that's what I have for him.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. So my favorite uncredited credit is probably from his appearance in 2001, A Space Travesty, where he plays Groucho Marx.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, fun. Yes.
UNKNOWN:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, film synopsis. After visiting 2015, Marty McFly must repeat his visit to 1955 to prevent disastrous changes to 1985 without interfering with his first trip. I don't know. I
SPEAKER_05:don't know about that one.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I feel like it's as concise as it can be for a film that is, like, and I'm not, like, Trying to say this in a rude way. It is so much more convoluted than the first film. The first film is much more streamlined. I mean, we're jumping all over the place time-wise between characters, between different versions of characters. To try to put all of that into a film synopsis would be really challenging.
SPEAKER_05:Well, and they make the reference to the first trip, which, you know, you're right. Like, this movie has its own... storyline and plot, but it's also so intertwined with everything that happened in the first movie that you literally see the first movie
SPEAKER_01:in this movie. You do. You see a lot of the first movie. Yeah. Or reshots of the first film.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. From the viewer's perspective, it's just like, oh, I've seen this. I'm just seeing it from a different POV now. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:So on that note, let's get into it with our amazing returning guest, Casey. Let's do it. All right. We have been looking forward to having this person on the show for literally months at this point because, A, we just love this person, and, B, we have so much fun having him on the show, so much so that as of this recording, he is tying the record. This is going to be his fourth appearance on the podcast. And just to give you a rundown– and this also will give you a little bit of a clue as to what we're going to be talking about today– In season one, we went over Back to the Future.
SPEAKER_06:Mm-hmm. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Anyone that's gotten this far, if you got this
SPEAKER_01:far in the episode, you already know. Sure, they know, they know. But still, I'm just setting it up. Season three, which this one, so this was actually, wasn't this the first time we ever got to watch the movie with a guest? Because that was Grease 2. Yeah, yeah. And maybe had one of the most crazy laughing fits of my life when he pointed out The infamous scene.
SPEAKER_05:There's nothing like that in this movie that we're talking
SPEAKER_01:about today. No, no, no, but that was so fun. And then he and his lovely, at the time of this recording, lovely bride-to-be were with us for last season's season finale for Prancer. And so today we are just over the moon to have back on the show amazing friend, amazing voiceover performer, Casey Campbell for... Of course. Oh,
SPEAKER_05:I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, no, no, no. Go take it away.
SPEAKER_04:Back to the future. Part two.
SPEAKER_01:Casey, welcome.
SPEAKER_04:So do I get my free sandwich now or do I have to do five? That's
SPEAKER_01:afterwards. You know what? We're going to do it. The next time we see you, we're giving you that Sammy.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Look, I am honored to be back for the fourth time. I'm a little irritated that I've tied someone. Like, that was really disheartening to hear. I was expecting it's like, you're the king. You've got the most podcasts. But you're like, you've tied someone. I'm like, ah, great. You have done as well as someone else that you don't even know. Isn't it a dubious honor? For once, I thought I had a superlative and I was the best at something, but this is just another participation trophy for the wall at
SPEAKER_01:this point, unfortunately. Well, look, that just sets you up for...
SPEAKER_04:The next time.
SPEAKER_01:For, yeah. Yeah, I guess number five. I guess we're doing
SPEAKER_04:Police Academy 8 or whatever came
SPEAKER_01:out in 1989. Oh, my God. That actually would be hilarious. And you know what? That is actually a franchise I don't feel the need to have to go through. Was there an 8? It'd be like, we finally face... I think direct to video there might be getting to that. I don't know what numbers
SPEAKER_04:they're up to. I feel like that was one of those movies where it was like I would go to the video store as a kid and there was just a whole row of police academies. And I've never I actually I'm either. Well, I don't know if I'm ashamed to say it, but I'm just going to say it. I've never seen the police academy movies. Not even
SPEAKER_01:the first one. Really? Interesting. It was never
SPEAKER_04:on my radar. I missed that whole bandwagon or whatever you want to call it. Like I never. I never got into those movies. I probably would have loved it as a kid, but was the first one rated R?
SPEAKER_01:That's a great question. If it was
SPEAKER_04:rated R, I know exactly why I didn't see it because my parents were very strict about that. But if it was PG-13, then I have no excuse. I should have been watching the hell
SPEAKER_01:out of that. You're right. It was. It was rated R.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, there you go. That's why I never saw it. Any of the movies that were rated R that I think they're... And it was probably a movie that my dad... My dad has a really great sense of humor. He grew up... Not grew up, but he was... When I was a kid, David Letterman was the norm in our house. And Saturday Night Live and SCTV and any movie with the Saturday Night Live guys, that was fair game. And he was okay with that. But anything else that was like... you know, like 80s sex comedies. I mean, for obvious reasons, but like police academies or something like that, that was like, you know, you
SPEAKER_01:didn't have like a Porky's family
SPEAKER_04:night. Yes, but not the first one. We were a Porky's revenge family.
SPEAKER_01:Um, no, And actually, I think you just sparked something, Casey, because I feel like ages ago I did a trivia question on social about the franchise, and there are at least seven Police Academies.
SPEAKER_05:There's an eight that says Next Generation, but I can't find out if that actually was made or if it's just fan fiction.
SPEAKER_01:Fan fiction? Geez. They just started
SPEAKER_04:producing fan fiction scripts at this point.
SPEAKER_01:One thing I want to say just really quickly before we dive in, that maybe... will make you feel better is that you do hold the record for the guests that we have actually had the pleasure of watching the movie with.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it's true. That's right. That's something. All right. I'll take it. I'll take it. Two times. One for each of the testicles we saw
SPEAKER_01:in these two. You really had to call, really call it out.
SPEAKER_04:I'll never forget. Look, I was just talking to somebody the other day about Grease 2, and they didn't know about that. So every time I get to share that information to someone, it's like every time I share the testicle story from Grease 2, an angel gets its wings.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's one of the best lines ever. It was, so you had prepped, like you had prepped us. You told us what we were going to see when we were watching it with you, but nothing could have prepared us for the actual visual of it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And that was maybe truly one of the funniest things I'd ever seen. The
SPEAKER_05:indignity of it
SPEAKER_01:all for that guy. Like, I remember you having to pause the movie because you were all just laughing so hard. It was, it was really one of the best moments we've had with you.
SPEAKER_04:It amazes me that they just kept it in or that guy, you know, didn't even say something to like the first or second idea. Like, hey, by the way, in that last take. I lied. No, no, we got it. We saw it. We're good. We saw it. We got it. We, yeah. Cut print. We're set.
SPEAKER_01:So back to the future too. No, look. Okay. Ever since, so we've known you for a case for, we've known you for a Casey while we've known you for a while, Casey. And, um, Over that period of time, we are aware. And then that's why it makes sense that the first time you were on the show, we covered the first film. We know that you have a love for this franchise. And when we were talking about having you back on the show and for this particular film, it really truly got me thinking because, like, look, we've spent time with you. We've seen your work. crazy, amazing Lego figure of this world.
SPEAKER_04:Not just Lego figure. I'm literally in my office right now staring at the hoverboard from Part 2.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, jeez.
SPEAKER_04:My lunchbox from Back to the Future Part 2 that I had in 1989 in kindergarten. There's a sports almanac on the desk. I've got the framed newspaper of Griff gang jailed of the USA Today. And then just like countless NECA figurines from all three of the different films. So, you know, I'm a wee bit attached to the franchise to say the least.
SPEAKER_01:Which I'm glad you set that all up because... That does play into, I'm very curious, and whether or not we talked about this all the way in season one, that was already crazy to say, but four years ago. Wow. And so I'm so curious, every person that we've had on this show, usually the film for them has some kind of sentimental value. And so for you, take us as far down the rabbit hole as you want to in terms of why does this franchise mean so much to you?
SPEAKER_04:I mean, it's, it, I mean, there's going to be, and I can, um, yeah, I'm like, so, I mean, it was a movie that, so here's the thing is that the first film is so fantastic and it's probably one of the most perfect movies ever made. But part two always holds a special place in my heart because that was the one where like, That came out in the summer of 1989 or like the fall of 1989. But that year for movies was incredible. If you remember earlier that summer, we had Tim Burton's Batman, which just kind of dominated that year. I mean, everybody had the Batman shirts and the Prince soundtrack and like it was just the summer of Batman. But then you also had Indiana Jones 3
SPEAKER_00:and
SPEAKER_04:Ghostbusters 2 and Lethal Weapon 2 and Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. And I mean, not that I saw this movie. Oh, that was a phenomenal movie. Phenomenal summer. And then you also have movies that year that came out like When Harry Met Sally and I think Goodfellas. And not that I saw those when I was a kid, 1989, but looking back on the movies that I love, like that they're all associated with this year is just is pretty incredible. But that summer was like kind of the first year or summer I really remember as a kid. going to the movies. I'm sure I'd been to the movies before that, you know, to go see a cartoon or a kid's movie or something like that. But that summer of like, I remember being in the theater watching Indiana Jones. I remember being in the theater watching Batman. And I certainly remember going to see Back to the Future. And if you remember that summer, they actually, they really hyped up the release of that movie because it was a big deal because the first one was such a, was huge success. There was actually a, We taped the original Back to the Future off of TV, but then while they were showing that movie, in between the commercial breaks, Leslie Nielsen hosted a making of Back to the Future Part 2 where they teased this movie that was coming out. I think you can find it on YouTube. It's like Leslie Nielsen hosts it. It's him interviewing the cast and Robert Zemeckis, and actually that fake kind of that made for TV special behind the scenes thing is the famous quote that became an urban legend where Robert Zemeckis jokingly says, yeah, we were going to release hoverboards in the stores, but the parents complained too much, so we're never going to release them. And I remember seeing that moment as a kid and being like, fuck those parents. Hoverboards need to be out in the public. It needs to be a real thing. Of course, he's just making this little passive joke being funny, but every kid who watched that was like, they're real. Holy shit. When can I get a hoverboard? So that was like, that just amped up the excitement so much because, Oh my God, like they're going to go to the future and we're going to see what that looks like. And there's flying cars and all,
SPEAKER_01:you know, when the Cubs
SPEAKER_04:win, you know, it just, there was this whole, like, and it kind of, you know, it, it, it showed little bits and pieces from the trailer and it, it just got the excitement build up so much. And then I just remember going to see in the theater and, I probably at least saw it once or one or two times and my parents went and it was, it was, it was such an event. And I think through the years, like I felt almost more attached in my younger years to back to the future part two than I did of part one. And then as I've grown older, I think part one is kind of like overtaken. Like that's definitely my favorite, but I, as I said in the previous podcast, I still believe that Back to the Future is the most pure film trilogy of all time because it does tell such a complete story and it's one artist's kind of singular vision. And thankfully Zemeckis said, you know, they're going to make a sequel of this one way or the other. So I might as well be involved with this so I can do it the way I want to do it. And it doesn't get screwed up and doesn't become, you know, too embarrassing. And obviously there are camps that think, Oh, part two is nowhere near as good. And part three sucks. And the first one's perfect, but the other ones aren't great. And I'm like, you're, you know, entitled to your opinion. But I think if you're, if you were going to make a sequel to back to the future, this is kind of how you do it.
SPEAKER_05:I will, I'll say this much about, excuse me, About part two. And that's that I feel like Griff is a little amped up. I know that he's supposed to be. That's his character. But for me, once it gets back to... 1955. Well, even 1985. Once they get back from the future and they realize that they have returned to a hellscape, which in many ways is kind of similar to the world we all live in right now. with the weird Biff Trump thing that they have portrayed. But once it gets back there and they realize that there's more of a reason for the story to start continuing, because it opens up with just Doc saying, your kids are assholes. Right. We got to save your kids from being assholes. But then once they go back to the future and they cause this calamity and like old Biff, grandpa Biff steals the, steals the Almanac. Like that's when it like starts really coming together for me. And I don't know to what extent they had two and three in mind when they made the first movie, but it's really clear for a lot of reasons that two and three were like planned at the same, like that you, you see all these little like, like bits and pieces dropped in that all become relevant once you get to three.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And Casey, I, what I don't want to do is make you feel like you're on the hook to, to be like the back to the future aficionado, but I'm just kind of assuming that, Oh, please, please
SPEAKER_04:put the bait on the hook and reel me in. I'm happy to do that.
SPEAKER_01:Cause I am super curious. So like the first film was, Right. But I'm going to talk about it today. Right. written. They had to have
SPEAKER_05:been
SPEAKER_01:like with knowing the Latin two more were coming. It was
SPEAKER_05:the first time. And maybe the only time, the only memory that I have, because I also remember seeing it in the movie theater. And when you get that to be concluded at the end, And then you see a goddamn preview for the third movie. When you're a kid and you just saw a movie that you were super hyped for, and you see Coming Soon, and they give you a bunch of clips. They basically give you a trailer in the movie theater for the sequel to the movie that you just watched. I don't know that I've ever seen that before.
SPEAKER_01:So all that being said, Casey, how did that come together? What was the lull between... Was that just... various factors. Would there have been a sequel more quickly if it was just going to be the second movie and not two and three? Like, do you know about that history of how, how that timeframe worked out?
SPEAKER_04:Well, I know that, I mean, they, Zemeckis and Gale, Robert, Bob Gale and Robert Zemeckis wrote this script, I think in the, in 1980 or 1981, and they had had a string of flops. And funny enough, Spielberg produced all of them. Spielberg even directed one of them. They wrote The Disastrous 1941, which was Spielberg trying to do Animal House set in World War II. There's some moments of that film that are actually really enjoyable, but overall it's kind of a mess. And then there were two other movies before, Gale and Zemeckis did called I Want to Hold Your Hand which is actually a really great movie it's about these four kids who skip school to go see the Beatles on Ed Sullivan but they don't have tickets so it's them trying to sneak into the theater and then sneak into the hotel where the Beatles are staying and you never see the Beatles but it's them trying to like you know, get into this world. And it's, it's a really fun movie and of, um, and Mark McClure and Wendy, Joe, I can't think of her last name who plays Marty's sister and brother respectively in the, um, Wendy, Joe, thank you. Um, they're both in that. So Zemeckis had worked with them before. And then the third one they did was one called used cars, which they wrote with Kurt Russell and, uh, yeah, Kurt Russell's in it. All three of those movies Spielberg produced But they were just flops and they didn't work. And Spielberg really, really wanted to do Back to the Future. And they were like, you know, we've given you three strikes. Like, we don't want to be the guys who make movies with Spielberg and they all flop. Because Spielberg, everything he did on his own kind of turned to gold. Everything he touched was fantastic. And they're like, we're not going to be the guys who consistently make flops with Spielberg. He's like, you're bad luck for me. Yeah, exactly. But he was their champion. And so then they wrote Back to the Future and they couldn't get it sold anywhere. But there was one guy at Columbia who really liked it. And so he bought it. And then it just kind of got turned into development hell. And so Zemeckis was like, look, if we're ever going to make Back to the Future, which was their passion project, they needed to have another hit to basically say, hey, we can make a hit movie. Now let us do this right. So in that kind of time between probably used cars and Back to the Future, Zemeckis made Romancing the Stone.
SPEAKER_01:Oh,
SPEAKER_00:which is fantastic.
SPEAKER_04:Which is a, Oh, such a good movie. And so fun. It's just charming. It's delightful. And it's, it's full of adventure. And it's just, it's, if you haven't seen that movie in a while, revisit it. I'm sure you guys have done that for the podcast.
SPEAKER_01:We have. That was also a season one film.
SPEAKER_04:It's such a great film. And so that did really well. That was a box office hit. And then everyone was like, what do you want to do next? And they're like, we want to do Back to the Future. And they're like, okay, who do you want to make that with? And we're like, well, we want to make it with Spielberg. Because now we've proved that we can do a hit. And so they made Back to the Future. It was a huge success. And at this time, Zemeckis is getting offers to direct and write all these different things. And he decides to... go and make Who Framed Roger Rabbit. So I think that was probably taking up the majority of his time.
SPEAKER_02:Gotcha. That makes sense.
SPEAKER_04:And during this time, Universal was like, we want another Back to the Future. The first one was great. Make another Back to the Future. Make another Back to the Future. So it came to the point where they said, look, you know, they kept waiting for Zemeckis to be like, come back and do this. And I think it got to the point where they're like, okay, well, if you don't want to do this, we own the rights to this franchise. We're just going to make another one. And that was when Zemeckis was like, I can't let you, you know, you can't take my baby, you know, that kind of thing. So they're like, he goes, okay, well, if we're going to do a sequel, let's do it right. And then through that process of development, like there was one point where they were like, they were going to have Marty go back to the sixties where his parents were kind of like hippies and flower children. And then eventually they decided on, no, let's send him to the future. Let's see what the future actually looks like. Instead of going to the past, let's go to the future. And then through development, then they came up with the idea of then, uh, you know, going back to an alternate 1985 and then realizing they have to fix it and they have to jump back into the original movie. And then of course they came up as they were writing this, I think part two and part three was one movie. Okay. And they realized, Oh, this is going to be too big. And so what was unheard of at the time, they're like, well, why don't you just make both movies back to back or even in some cases at the same time? Cause I think when he was editing part two, um, Zemeckis, he was up shooting part three in Montana or Utah or wherever they shot all the Old West scenes. So it really was the first thing of its time where they shot these movies back to back. It was long before Peter Jackson did it with the Lord of the Rings movies, and now it's pretty common if there's a franchise and they can do... to at the same time they will, but at this time it was unheard of. And so kind of going back to what you were saying, Derek, when that moment happens in Back to the Future 2 where it says to be concluded or continued or whatever it says, and then there's this crane shot of Hill Valley and it pans up and then you're like, oh my God, we're in the Old West. And there's this basically clip show trailer saying the adventure is going to continue forever. And this is what's going to happen. And then I think Back to the Future came out, sorry, Back to the Future Part 2 came out in November. And then Part 3, I think, came out the following year in like May or June of 1990. So we only had to wait about
SPEAKER_01:six or seven months for
SPEAKER_04:that sequel, which even today is kind of like absurd that the sequel came out that quickly after the other one. Yeah. That was my long-winded version of the journey of how we got to part two and part three. So hopefully that was concise enough and not too rambly.
SPEAKER_01:No, that was great. And actually, now that I'm thinking about it, that's so interesting that they did so less than a year. Between two and three. Yeah. Wow. Which I'm trying to think, are there any other films past or present where they've had a sequel come out so quickly afterwards? I can't think of one. I know for a lot of horror franchises.
SPEAKER_04:Even Infinity War and Endgame was like, I think at least a year apart.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. And that that's super interesting. I mean, because I'm trying to think of like, I would assume that the hype and especially that was a really smart marketing move. But the
SPEAKER_05:marketing people must have been pulling their hair out. Yeah. Yeah. Can we can we be done with this?
SPEAKER_01:It was probably a lot. But like I the having the trailer at the end of the film, to your point, Derek, I don't think I've ever seen that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that was crazy. And then, you know, the version we watched last night before recording this had that, you know, that was still part of the end. You know, you see the end and then you see the trailer and it just brought back flashbacks of how, you know, it it was it was not a very long wait. But when you're a kid watching it, it seemed like agonizing.
SPEAKER_01:So one thing and we we can jump all over the place, Casey, and if there's something in particular about the film that you want to bring up, please do so. I'm super curious. So, okay, look. Everybody knows that, like, with this particular podcast, we're covering films from the 80s. So, we're talking 30 to 40 plus years removed. So, we don't typically go down, like, the story rabbit hole in terms of explaining everything. We do for more maybe... smaller eclectic films that most people wouldn't know but I feel like a lot of people I feel like a lot of
SPEAKER_04:people Bloodsport
SPEAKER_01:is very complicated a lot of layers in Bloodsport a lot of people gotta go into the history of
SPEAKER_04:Kumite and all
SPEAKER_01:that shit you've even kind of both of you have actually alluded to like the progress of the film where you know we have a quick blip in 85 it bounces to 215 and then 2015 I'm sorry and then we come back 85-55 so So that's kind of the general layout of the film. So I want to talk about the things that like, I'll be honest, I find really personally interesting about the film. One of which is the inclusion slash, not inclusion, I don't think that's like a term, of Crispin Glover. I really want to get into this aspect of it because I feel like there might be a huge segment of people who don't even realize that that's not him.
SPEAKER_05:Hang some guy upside down. Yeah. Make us think it's him.
SPEAKER_01:So I, I mean, I don't, again, I'm going until you tell me otherwise, Casey, I will put you on the spot, but like, can you talk a little bit about that situation? I mean, we don't have to talk about like, you know, the, the, conflict that there seemed to be between like we don't have to go so far down that rabbit hole but just about like what they did to kind of get around the fact that Crispin Glover was not going to participate in this film
SPEAKER_05:and yet he's also still in this film
SPEAKER_01:he is yeah which is yeah in older footage yeah
SPEAKER_04:well and it's it's weird because it is kind of the one it's kind of the one real blemish on not only just this movie but kind of the franchise too because you know they they were in the wrong with how they handled this recasting and the use of footage and the use of his likeness and things like that. And Crispin Glover, you know, took it up with the Screen Actors Guild and rightfully won and won the lawsuit. And I'm actually on Team Glover on this. I think it was right to do that because of course with, you know, in today's age with AI and all that, we're in a whole different scenario and we're dealing with, you know, likeness and use of likeness and things like that. And as far as that goes, it's such a weird, it's weird to me that they they did this and maybe it was just because of maybe it was because they knew they were gonna go back into the original movie but I don't know if that decision of when Glover decided not to return which was a mix of both financial reasons but also artistic reasons like Kristen Glover is a very eccentric artist and so he you know has he has opinions he has thoughts and about movies and things like that why he appeared in Friday the 13th part 4 or 3 I don't know but I don't know what artistic choice that had to do with
SPEAKER_01:anything I mean
SPEAKER_05:I remember him in Charlie's
SPEAKER_04:Angels I remember him dancing in Friday the 13th it was amazing I will never forget that sequence yeah it's a beautiful better than his dancing at the Enchantment of the Sea dance when he's there killing time before he has to go save Lorraine an
SPEAKER_05:interpretive dance kind
SPEAKER_04:of thing. Pretty much. Yeah. But you know, it's, it's interesting because you know, he's not the only person who was recast in back to the future part two because Jennifer Parker was recast as well. Claudia Wells was replaced by Elizabeth shoe and it's like, and that's such a glaringly obvious recast because you know, it's, it's clearly not her. And we accept that and we're fine with that. And yet with Crispin Glover, they tried so hard to make us– or I'm sorry, with George McFly, they tried so hard to make us think that it was Crispin Glover playing him again. They found a guy who kind of looks like him when he's older. George McFly and he's floating around on that like floating wheelchair upside down. He has the same voice and the hair and he– I can't think of the actor's name who played him in the sequel, but to his credit, he did a really good job of trying to mimic that as much as possible. But it's so weird that it's such a weird juxtaposition. It's like you have one character who's been completely recast, and we're just like, okay, that's fine. They kind of did what they did with Marvel when they cast Don Cheadle
SPEAKER_00:as
SPEAKER_04:Rhodes after replacing Terrence Howard. Renowned physicist Terrence Howard. Renounced physicist Terrence. Yes, of course. Tune into your, you know, most recent Joe Rogan podcast for more bullshit ideas if you get bored with this. But then to do that with another character instead of just recasting Crispin Glover because they could have, you know, because obviously in that scene where Marty goes back to the, you know, 1955 and he's at the dance and obviously they have, you know, Leah Thompson, dressed as her character from the previous one, and they have Biff and his goons costumed the same way. If you look really close, you can kind of see their little difference in age. And even Michael J. Fox is... recreating his performance from the first film on stage when they're reshooting things and things like that. It's kind of like you can tell when they're cutting between footage from the original one or
SPEAKER_01:when they've restaged footage. And
SPEAKER_04:it's slight. I mean, it's really good. They did a
SPEAKER_01:really good job. It's kind of a fun exercise to be like, oh, what's from the original film? Oh, my God. That was so...
SPEAKER_04:Laura and I just watched this maybe four or five months ago. We watched the trilogy in its entirety. And obviously, I watched Back to the Future 2 again before this. And it is fun to kind of be like, oh, that's from that. That from the original and this is reshot. So clearly they did that and I think they could have just reshot the scenes that they used from Back to the Future 1 with Crispin Glover with this new actor playing George McFly in that.
SPEAKER_06:I don't
SPEAKER_04:know why they did. I mean, I don't know if they'll ever discuss why they did that. Maybe they were... It's so weird because it felt like they were trying to pull one over on us when it was like, well, you clearly have a different Jennifer Parker.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. You know, and you obviously have a different, you know, crispin glover to the you know the more discerning eye but it's we i don't know i i don't know why they decided to do that maybe it was uh you know there's probably a whole you probably ask every different person from the cast and crew and everyone's going to give you a different answer but i that that's the thing that always strikes me as odd is that you know had it just been replacing crispin glover and claudia welles played Jennifer Parker it would have been a different story but because they recast her it's kind of like well you know you could just do the same with George McFly
SPEAKER_05:you know what would have been amazing is if we just launch into Back to the Future 2 and suddenly it's Eric Stoltz
SPEAKER_04:oh my god that's talk about alternate timelines
SPEAKER_01:well that is actually that's something that's so interesting about this film is that you know you even briefly said Casey that like when they were throwing around ideas of what they would do with this film that like they were thinking about doing it in the 60s like literally they could have taken it in any direction on account of time travel and so it is interesting to me the choices that they made in terms of like who they wanted to keep character wise in the second film and knowing that Because of that– like, look, there was kind of no way of getting around needing a Jennifer because of the way that the first film ended. Like, they had to kind of pick up there. And because of her– you know, just to very briefly say for personal reasons, she didn't return to– to the franchise uh there is a funny family
SPEAKER_04:there is a funny interview where bob gale was like had we known we were making a sequel they're like we would have never had jennifer in that driveway when
SPEAKER_01:yeah yeah because now they're like we
SPEAKER_00:we have to figure it out now she has to come yeah she can't just watch to be
SPEAKER_04:you know them fly off into the into the sky you know and it's because that's why is that why doc says that like doc even says
SPEAKER_05:like
SPEAKER_01:they cut yeah they have like exposition there where he's like well why'd you even bring her and he's like well because she saw it like it it's actually kind of a funny, I don't know Jennifer would be there. Yeah, exactly. And then they
SPEAKER_04:solve it in the stupidest way too. It's like, they don't involve her in the hijinks at all. They're just like, well, we're just going to knock her out and we'll just leave her over here. But then, but it does kind of turn into a fun thing where they come get her and they identify her and she brings back to the house. So like, it's, it does justify it. And they, they kind of in the same way, you know, when they realized they didn't have Crispin Glover, that probably pivoted them to the alternate 1985 where George McFly is dead because they're like, okay, well this makes it easier to not have him in. And that adds more drama. Oh, I mean, it was such a, these are two very good screenwriters. So, The way they pivoted to kind of make this work, given all the chess pieces they now had for this one, it's pretty amazing. It's pretty brilliant what they did.
SPEAKER_01:This is a very weird question that I don't expect you to have an answer to, but is Robert Zemeckis, do you know, like a fan of Frank Capra? Because the scene where Marty realizes that his father's past is pulled directly from It's a Wonderful Life.
SPEAKER_04:Well, and it... I mean, it, it has to be a nod to that. It has to be. Cause it's, I mean,
SPEAKER_01:where George is at his brother's grave. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Yeah. No, it, it, it has to be a nod to that. I mean, whether directly or indirectly, like, I mean, I would say any filmmaker of that era is probably a fan of Frank Capra. Spielberg is for sure. So, I mean, maybe Spielberg was the one who influenced that, but it also has that like kind of, Wonderful life quality where everything is different. I mean, because in essence, Biff's Hill Valley is Potter's town or Potter's or whatever. So you're
SPEAKER_01:absolutely right.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, absolutely. Right. It's, it's, it's, it's that same thing. So you, you see that, you know, that, that darkness and you see that change. So I think the, you know, the allusions to, um, wonderful life or, um, you know, they didn't want to shy away from that. So there are elements to that. And the grave scene is that, and the, you know, when he, Marty goes downtown Hill Valley, I mean, that's like when George goes and, you know, sees that everything in downtown Bedford Falls has been turned to, you know, pool halls and dance halls and, you know, Violet Bick is being thrown out of the club because, you know, she was caught, you know, sleeping with a guy in there, you know, so it's, it's, it's very dark. And so I think that that's definite, you know, I don't know if he was influenced directly by that, but yeah, It definitely has shades of that in it.
SPEAKER_05:Sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no, go ahead.
SPEAKER_05:I just had another question about some of the timelines, and we brought up Biff a couple times now. There's something that I don't think I've noticed before, and I clocked it this time, and I wondered kind of what the hell was going on. But when Grandpa Biff... gets back to God. I hate how many times this is forcing me to say back to the future, but he gets literally, he gets back to 2015 after somehow figuring out how to operate the time machine, DeLorean. Um, but he gets out of the car and like the part of his cane breaks. And then he has this walk where he looks like he's an agonizing pain. Like he, like he just like sprained his back. He got out of the car. And I like, I, looked up some trivia and because this kind of goes back to a question I asked Anna when we were watching it was I
SPEAKER_04:think I know where you're going with this but I want to let you finish yeah
SPEAKER_05:I wonder I wonder what Biff ended up doing to himself by going back in the past and giving him giving the almanac to himself and I didn't know if you like it sounds like you know where this is going so I just I'll let you take it if you if you If you know what I was going to bring up. If you're
SPEAKER_00:picking
SPEAKER_04:up what Derek's putting down. If you're alluding to, there's actually a deleted scene that explains this. And it's when Biff gets out of the DeLorean and he is, he is like an excruciating pain. And, you know, you can kind of just justify it as like, well, he's old and maybe, you know, flying through the air has made him sick or whatever. But he is like, he's in this pain, but there is a deleted scene where he kind of like staggers out of the DeLorean, walks away. And then you see him fade away. into the past. You see him disappear. Much like Marty and his siblings in the photo. He disappears. Basically foreshadowing that it's like, okay, he did something to change something and we don't know what yet and it's weird to me that this is one of those deleted scenes where I'm like why the fuck wasn't this in there like this exactly why did they delete that it doesn't give anything away it doesn't foreshadow kind of foreshadows but in like in an intriguing way of like oh wait what the fuck happened here because then immediately Doc and Marty hop in the DeLorean and then they're back in the alternate 1985 oh
SPEAKER_05:my god I would have loved to have seen
SPEAKER_01:that scene
SPEAKER_05:so the reason why according to some drafts of the script
SPEAKER_04:is
SPEAKER_05:apparently, um, Marty's mom kills and shoots him in 1996 because of like, he's, he's abusive. So she, so she kills him. So I don't know if that would have ever made it in, but the deleted scene would have kind of, I think tied back to that, like, because he got wealthy, marries her, he's abusive, she kills him. Okay. And so the future version of him just fades away, which is like an incredibly dark kind of timeline,
SPEAKER_00:but I love it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I
SPEAKER_04:mean, I get why they did it. I think I'm saying this also, too, with an unhealthy amount of knowledge about the trilogy and the films. So I'm kind of like, oh, that's cool. I would have loved to have seen that. But having seen it in 1989 for the first time, that might have caused more questions than it would have just been like, Oh, he returned or did something like that. So, but it is weird because it's that, you know, it's, there's another movie from the eighties, which, um, I just found this out too. Um, you guys are familiar with it. I'm sure Anna, because especially you, because of your affinity, much like mine for John Hughes, the film planes, trains, and automobiles, that whole movie, um, there's this weird dynamic between Steve Martin and his wife, because in the version that John shot, she has been assuming that he's been having an affair and he's been on the road. And so she just doesn't trust him anymore. And their marriage is kind of falling apart. And so if you watch the movie, there's always just like this kind of intensity to their phone calls. I'm like, he's getting really, you know, you know, kind of, you know, aggravated when she's like, well, where are you? What's going on? And he's just like, well, I'm stuck, blah, blah, blah. And then at the end, when he shows up and he's like, here's Dell Griffiths, she's like, oh, he was with this guy the whole time and I'm glad he's back and he made this effort to come home. But it's weird because it's like Steve Martin is clearly playing that truth. Layla Robbins, who plays the wife, she's playing that truth. But you know, as you watch the movie, there's a little unevenness here and there. And then in back to the future, like there's a little unevenness in that performance where Thomas Wilson is clearly playing that kind of like that excruciating pain that again must happen when you're vanishing from existence. Um, which is not actually, it's kind of similar to what Marty is doing when he's on stage and before George kisses, uh, um, Lorraine, Lorraine in the first one. And he's on, you know, and his hand starts disappearing and he's like in pain and then he kisses and then he comes back. So, You know, he's playing the truth of that moment, and it's one little bit of unevenness, but, you know, with the knowledge of the behind the scenes and everything, you're like, oh, okay, now I get it. Now I understand. In the same way, the performance in Planes, Trains, Automobiles is a little uneven at times, but when you understand, like, oh, he was playing it because of this or this is what they shot,
SPEAKER_01:it clarifies it
SPEAKER_04:more.
SPEAKER_01:Not an 80s film, but in Heat, where we never really learn that Al Pacino is actually a coke
SPEAKER_04:addict. Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_06:Give me all you got.
SPEAKER_04:Yep, exactly. So
SPEAKER_00:it's like that. I just
SPEAKER_04:assume that every movie after Scarface, Pacino is always a
SPEAKER_00:coke addict. Right. Dick Tracy,
SPEAKER_04:Son of a Woman, Any Given Sunday, cocaine. For sure. Even The Insider. Am I like, yo, my God.
SPEAKER_05:The, um, there, there is like a YouTube clip of him speaking in front of a group of people talking about that exact thing for, for heat, where he mentions that his character, he, he was portraying it on the basis that he was.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Yeah. And he's like, and then they cut that all out. So I just look like a maniac.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, it's Pacino. Pacino fascinates me because it's like if you watch his performances in the 70s, it's just so like so reserved and quiet. Michael Corleone is just so like he's just like a snake ready to strike. And he's so calm and calculating. And then after Scarface is just like, this is all I'm going to do. I'm just going to do this. You know,
SPEAKER_01:like we agree with you. He's like two different actors. It's like Steven Tyler before his voice change. Like it's totally that, but it's
SPEAKER_04:true.
SPEAKER_01:It's like two totally different singers. Yeah. Early seventies
SPEAKER_04:Aerosmith. He's he's almost angelic. Yeah. And then like, yeah. And then the days of, of hard partying Aerosmith road life just turned him into, you
SPEAKER_01:know, like dream on. I, it, I was shocked. He sounds like Freddie Mercury in that song. It sounds like queen. That elevator,
SPEAKER_05:that elevator really deeply affected him.
SPEAKER_04:You don't make love in an elevator, you lose your voice.
SPEAKER_01:So that's also interesting to me because like, look, they do that in other ways in this film in terms of like, you know, the change of the newspaper headlines and the change of like the matchstick box, things like that. Good thing he grabbed
SPEAKER_05:those matches. Why did he take those matches?
SPEAKER_01:but, but like, so you do see kind of like, so they call it in the film ripple effect. I think a lot of people refer to it as butterfly effect. Um, so you see that, but just that more visceral kind of like seeing a person fade away. Like that also was something that was so interesting in the first film, you know, to your point about like seeing Marty become translucent almost while he's performing on stage. It's, it's fine. I understand choices have to be made sometimes. Um, and things have to be left on the cutting room floor. But I think this is also a perfect segue for the person who I think is honestly, like, no disrespect to Michael J. Fox or Christopher Lloyd, but I think that for sure the star of this film is Tom Wilson. Oh, yeah. That's just my
SPEAKER_04:opinion. A hundred percent agree. A hundred percent agree. I, like, had... Here's the thing, is that we're now in a world where actors like Ryan Gosling in Barbie and Melissa McCarthy in Bridesmaids get Academy Award nominations. Right. Thomas F. Wilson should have gotten an Academy Award nomination for fucking Back to the Future Part II. The way he plays older Biff, senior citizen Biff, Young Griff, he plays like nine people in this fucking movie that are all versions of the same guy. Even 85 Biff of where he's kind of like the sheepish guy who owns the auto detailing company to then Biff Tannen who has made all of this money and now owns Hill Valley and he's just this fucking intimidating monster. And then going back to Hill Valley 1955 where we get to see a Biff In his day-to-day life. Because in the original movie, he's just the threat. And he only shows up as a threat. In Back to the Future Part II, we actually see his vulnerability. We see where he lives. We see his relationship to his grandmother. And there's so many layers in his performance in this. It probably is one of my favorite performances of all time, is Thomas F. Wilson in Back to the Future Part II.
SPEAKER_01:He's phenomenal. And actually I thought that was so interesting about the, the relationship with his grandma. I like wanted to know more about that. And like what that home life was like, I know this is such a stretch to say this, but it kind of reminded me of, am I thinking the right, but the bully from it where he comes, yeah, he comes from like a really, Oh, not great. Yeah. Home life. And that's why he is who he is. Yeah. And how even like and I'm not saying like I don't I don't think we saw anything to indicate that like his grandmother was like physically abusive in the way that the bully from it was. you know, endured, but, but just like the yelling and the, like, it's seemingly like a home life with a lot of conflict.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Well, you know, it's, it's that example of hurt people, hurt people.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_04:And, but, but again, and I, I don't think they, you know, and again, they didn't need to dive into it too much unless there had been a moment where, where Biff redeems himself in some way. Sure. Something where in 1955, he did a, you know, an act of kindness or something. Right. We'd want to see a scene where he's being bullied because, you know, we're like, oh, that's, you have empathy for that person, you know, and you feel bad for this person. And, you know, you know, and, and the good movies do that where they're just like, they show like, Oh, this guy who's an asshole. It's like, he's doing this because his dad kicks the shit out of him or used him or is, you know, he dealt with some kind of death or pain or something like that. It's like Bender in breakfast club, you know, where it's, yeah,
SPEAKER_01:exactly. Exactly. That
SPEAKER_04:is an asshole because his dad fucking burn a cigarette on him, you know, and did this awful shit to him. So, I mean, that's, yeah, I mean, that's, there's definitely that world where it's like, this is the environment that created Biff. Um, And, you know, and who he was and who this guy is. And obviously they don't get into it too much because, you know, they just, they need him as the, the heel in this story.
SPEAKER_01:They do. I just, I always do that. I see these little hints of something. I'm like, Oh, that's super interesting. I want to know more about that. The
SPEAKER_05:insight into his like home life with grandma was, was played out more just for like comedic effect.
SPEAKER_01:It was anything else. It was, you know, although it's funny. Cause like, so, okay. In terms of, I am, I, I love every scene that he's in. And there's like little moments, like when he is walking down the street and he gets the ball from the kids and they're all following him. I know he's like a total dick in that moment. Like it's right on par for him. But like, to me, that was so funny where he just like, he's, you know, they're chasing after him and he's kind of like, there's just something really interesting about that scene in terms of like how he's reacting to these really little kids.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And just, just like throwing the ball.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. He's just, he's just a dick to everyone.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. There was something really funny about that to me. It was just so instinctual for him to, to be that way. Like he can't even just be like, here's your ball back. Like he has to, he has to do that.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, And again, too, it's like... Because one of my favorite, favorite parts of Back to the Future Part II, and there's a ton of them, is how Biff, in this movie, it's such a moment of just pure euphoria when George McFly, just the rage in his face when he slugs Biff. And I went to go see... On Back to the Future Day last year, on November 22nd, they did Back to the Future in the theaters. And Laura and I, my fiance and I, we went to go see in the theater. And when George McFly punched Biff, the whole theater applauded. It was such a cool moment. And everyone loves that. And in this one, the sequel, it's great because not only do we get to see George McFly punch him again, and Marty's like, yes, you know, and he gets to see it. And it's kind of fun. But then Marty McFly... Punches him again when he's on the ground and then he gets hit by the door again when he's outside the school. Like Biff just gets pummeled like three or four fucking times that night. He really does. Oh, it's so it's and then it's just like, oh, because and you want to see that because he's been such an asshole. you know, in the alternate 1985 and older Biff in 2015. So you're just kind of like, oh, we definitely need to see this guy get punched like four or five times and you get to see it. And it's so, so satisfying.
SPEAKER_01:This is... definitely more of a scene that like moves the plot along instead of like the kid scene. But I am really like, I really kind of locked into the scene where it's young Biff and elderly Biff and sitting in the car and having the conversation in the garage or almost look like a barn. Um, and that was so interesting to me. Like Casey, do you know, in terms of like, not, not like, um, the effects that had to go into like making that scene happen. But like, did, did Tom Wilson get to play against anybody when he was doing that for like either character or was he just like, Do you know anything about how that was shot?
SPEAKER_04:No. I mean, I know that, I mean, the technology they used at the time, I mean, there's some shots in this where they're just doing the same technology where they used in like Parent Trap with Hayley Mills. Right. Where they just, you know, had a static shot and then they just cut, spliced the film down the middle and they're like, okay, this Hayley Mills is on the right and this Hayley Mills is on the left. But obviously they were Zemeckis, you know, much to kind of what some would say to his detriment. This is when he first started playing around with computers, which... you know, send him down a rabbit hole of not so great movies. Cause every movie he's now made since then, he's always used computers and has relied on special effects very heavily.
SPEAKER_01:He's like a offshoot of James Cameron in terms of just getting really fascinated with tech in a way, or George Lucas for that matter. Yeah. Yeah.
UNKNOWN:And,
SPEAKER_01:You know, I guess it's his prerogative to do so, but I'm sorry to interrupt.
SPEAKER_04:No, no. And sometimes it works really well, like in Forrest Gump. Right. And sometimes it's like, it's extremely dated looking like Polar Express.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Or unnecessary, like. And
SPEAKER_01:almost kind of creepy, which also at some point I want to talk about the video characters in Polar Express. The diner. The Max Headroom. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. They're scary. Okay. Go ahead, Casey. Sorry.
SPEAKER_04:No, no. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I've watched, you know, hours of behind the scenes, you know, making of this movie, but I don't know if he was playing off of someone, if they had someone sit there and read the lines as older Biff, but it's again, another feather in the cap of Thomas Wilson in that scene, because he's playing a scene with himself.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:at different ages and it's fucking seamless and it's so good and the dynamic of the two of them is it's funny at times but then it's almost like fatherly at times and then it's also like the moment where Biff realizes like oh this guy isn't full of shit and then you even hear like it calls back and it's like oh by the way you know if some kid or crazy eyed scientist ever comes asking for that book you know and then it kind of cuts off before you hear the rest but basically it's older Biff saying like fucking kill him get rid of him And so, no, that scene is, it's so, no, he's, again.
SPEAKER_01:It's so well done. It's so well done. The timing of it, the emotional changes, to your point, in terms of him thinking this is just some crazy old guy to actually starting to believe what he's being told. And I find, honestly, of any character in this entire film, Elderly Biff is so interesting to me.
SPEAKER_04:Oh
SPEAKER_01:yeah. Because you see how he like sees in the, in the younger version of himself, like the ways that he is an idiot. Like there is, there is an awareness on his part. Make like a tree and get out of here. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, it's leave. Like, you know, like it's, it's, really I love that they had that joke in
SPEAKER_04:well you also see that that's that's kind of he also recognized in a funny moment yes that but in a sadder moment like he kind of realizes as this older Biff because this is the Biff who is the product of the first Back to the Future movie where Marty changes shit and George McFly gets his confidence and puts Biff in his place this Biff who we meet in 2015 is the older version of that Biff from the first movies 1955 and so he looks back on his years and he looks back he goes I peaked in high school that was when it
SPEAKER_01:was the best yes yes that's a great way of putting it
SPEAKER_04:so that's the Biff he goes back to he could have gone back to any he could have gone back to Biff in 1962 he could have gone back to Biff in 1985 because the sports almanac it's from like I think 19, I'm looking at it right now. It's 1950 to 2000.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:He could have gone back to Biff at any point in that, but he went back to Biff when he was at his lowest, after he gets punched by George McFly and at his, when in his glory days, he's like, I'm going to give it to you now because I want to give myself a better life from that point forward.
SPEAKER_01:No, that's a really good point being made. Yeah. It's, he's such, and that's why like all these different versions of him or Griff or, you know, like all tying back to Tom Wilson. I know that he has, you know, he continues to work and he's very busy. Like he, he has a very extensive filmography, but you know, it's one of those circumstances where like, I guess if you're air quotes known for one role and that role has to be like your association with this franchise, that's not bad, but like, I just think that he still is underrated. I
SPEAKER_04:totally agree. I totally agree. And I think he... I mean, the other role that he was really kind of known for, and it's kind of a... He played the gym coach in Freaks and Geeks, which was such a brilliant casting choice. Brilliant. And you see in that role, it's so fun to watch because Thomas Wilson in real life is probably one of the kindest people you'll ever meet. He's so nice. And Laura actually met him. I guess he's a pretty devout Catholic. And Laura went to some kind of Catholic acting camp when she was a kid or in high school or something like that. guest speaker there. She said he was just so lovely and kind and courteous. Even on the behind-the-scenes footage, you hear people like Michael J. Fox saying, Thomas Wilson, he's the nicest guy. He's just like a big teddy bear, but he can turn this notch and he becomes this threatening, menacing figure. In Freaks and Geeks, it's kind of nice because you're getting to see more of Thomas Wilson's real personality than him being Biff I think he was cast in that role because it's like oh wouldn't it be funny to see Biff as your gym teacher but you do get to see like he is there's so many good moments in Freaks and Geeks where it's like he at one point he starts dating one of the main characters moms and then like he actually genuinely tries to like connect to the kid and like there's some kindness there and he's like you can tell like he is kind of like you know kind of a dumb jock gym teacher but he has these moments of kindness where he really does try to connect to these kids and you see that and it's lovely. And I mean, I don't, I don't know what he's done recently. I know that he just, he probably, he probably just makes bank and does back to the future fan events and makes money off of that. And
SPEAKER_01:like, I think he also, if I'm remembering correctly, cause we actually talked about him not that long ago because he did, um, uh, April fool's day earlier this year and he's in that he does, he does like a ton of voice work. Oh,
SPEAKER_04:cool. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. That's something that he does a lot of nowadays. Um, but yeah, he, he, so, and, and actually, so pinging off something you just said like two minutes ago, I think also it's so interesting altered future 1985 Biff and how diabolical, like, so to your earlier point, Derek, in terms of, um, It is kind of weird the way that this film was able to kind of like forecast some things between the Cubs and then this like weird version of Trump.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it's kind of like what if we had Danny McBride from the Righteous Gemstones combined with Donald Trump and Biff shake it up a little bit. There you go. There's your 1985 evil Biff.
SPEAKER_01:It's It's really interesting in how he is able to play that type of character. All I'll say is, not to be redundant, but he's so good at it. He's so convincing in just this darkness in him and this willingness to kill Marty in that version of of events. He killed
SPEAKER_02:his dad. Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Killed his dad. And, and actually I think it is a really funny kind of moment where Marty jumps off. And as far as Biff is concerned, he just committed suicide. His reaction is amazing. His reaction is really, really amazing. Which I'm sorry that this is why, why this occurred to me at this point. Oh, go ahead, Derek.
SPEAKER_05:I was going to say, if, if you like that reaction, when Marty jumps off the building and for a second, he thinks he just won. it's a very similar reaction to mad dog in part three when he shoots him. And he doesn't know at that time that Michael J. Fox, that Marty had the, Oh my God, you're right.
SPEAKER_04:It's totally that same reaction.
SPEAKER_05:Oh
SPEAKER_04:my God. Yeah, no. Oh, he's so good.
SPEAKER_01:I just wanted to ask really quickly, and I'm sorry this occurred to me now, but in terms of like, you know, when we were discussing earlier, the different, routes this film could have taken in terms of just everything being available to them for different timelines and different types of characters. Do you know, Casey, why I guess at some point a decision must have been made to not include Marty's siblings?
SPEAKER_04:Well, there's another deleted scene from part two where he runs into Dave, his brother, and he's been thrown out of the casino.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:And he's like kind of on the street and he's just like, Marty, what are you doing here? I thought you were in Europe in boarding school, you know, or something like that. So you kind of see that that's where he's ended up. I don't know if there was a scene where, um, his sister is involved in some capacity, but he kind of, Biff alludes to it a little bit when he's in the casino, when Lorraine is finally like, I'm done. And he's like, okay, you know, then I'm going to screw over your kids. Like, um, you know, Dave is, done you know it's like he'll go back to prison you know like I'll I'm not gonna you know he says something about Dave and he's like I'll cut off your daughter you know her credit cards and things like that so like you kind of see that element like they're still involved but I mean honestly like there's so many things going on in this movie it's like you could have added them but it's almost just like it had been white noise at this point because there's just so much going on
SPEAKER_01:There is. And you're absolutely right. And, like, that's why, again, some choices have to be made. It's just so interesting because, like, you know, we already talked about, like, why the George McFly character... is present or not in the way that he is in this particular film. And he was such an integral character in the first film. And, and although we see very little of the brother and sister, like they basically are the bookends of the first film because he's carrying around that damn picture, the entire film, it feels like you're in the movie a lot more. Right. Right. Yeah. And so that's why it's like, Oh, like I just, again, there are all these little things that, by virtue of what this story is about in terms of like changing the future, changing the past, it makes it interesting to just kind of like speculate about like where all these characters could have gone. So that's, that's the only reason why I was curious, um, about, I mean, there's,
SPEAKER_04:yeah, there, you know, and again too, it's, I, I guess I've not really, I've not even really given them, much thought about it until you've brought it up now. Cause I think you're right. They, they do play such a huge part in the first one, but almost like their presence is there because of the photo, but like the photo almost just serves more as a ticking clock. You know, it's just like, okay, Dave's disappeared and the sister's just, I don't, I can't think of the sister's character name. Um, but like they're starting to disappear and, um, And it's like you're just waiting, like, okay, when is Marty going to disappear? You know, it's this ticking clock. But in this one, it's like the problem to solve is, like, why did shit change? Why did we screw things up? And then it's like, then they start finding the clues. Like, oh, we found Biff's cane in the car. And then Doc finds the old photo of Biff in the 50s. And he's like, he's got the almanac in his pocket. It's the almanac. It's what you bought. You know, you fucked this up. And Marty has that realization. So I think it's like, that's kind of the... the, the MacGuffin of this is the sports almanac as opposed to it being like, Oh, and the MacGuffin in the first one is really like, it's about getting the parents to fall in love. So it's in this, it's the, it's the race for this thing and trying to get that and figure out where it happened. And yeah,
SPEAKER_01:I think that they made the right choice. I mean, not that my opinion matters, but like, I think that because of how, um, I guess one word for it is like captivating. I think Tom Wilson is in all his different, uh, in this film, they made a great decision to have him be basically the third lead of the film in terms of how much he's in it. I'm curious, though, just by virtue of, like, the way the first film ended and saying, like, your kids are assholes, we have to, like, go do something about it. What are your thoughts, Casey, about the amount of time we see the kids in 2015? Because, like, There's honestly not a ton, and especially the daughter. So I'm curious if you would have maybe enjoyed a version of the film where they are more centered in it, or are you fine with what we got of them and that the story really is more so centered on Marty versus Biff?
SPEAKER_04:I think I'm fine with it because even at the end of the day, it's not even really Marty versus Biff. It's Marty versus Marty.
SPEAKER_01:Sure.
SPEAKER_04:Because I think there's this... Man versus himself. Man versus himself. It's the inner... More poignant. No, it's this like... It's this slow realization where it's like, and again, too, I'm kind of with you, Derek, where it's like, my favorite parts of Back to the Future Part 2 really aren't the future stuff. It's just kind of like, oh, it's just fun and games, and it's almost like a really fun opening of Act 1 of this movie. But then it's kind of like, get me to the alternate 1985. Get me back where they jump into the original film, and it's like him avoiding nine people that he can't be seen by when he goes back to the prom scene. But that opening scene, there's a lot of importance in that, especially how it you know, plays into part three is that it's already having this realization of like, Oh, my life as an adult kind of fucking sucks. Like I'm working this dead end job. My kids are kind of, you know, a pain in the ass. Like my son is this weakling. My son is essentially George McFly from the first one.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:And then I get fired and my wife is unhappy and we got married at this like, you know, crappy little chapel. And like, that's our future. Like that's, you know, it kind of hits Marty that he's like, Oh, I, you know, he wanted to be a musician. He wanted to be a, he wanted to be a rock singer. You know, that's the whole thing in the first movie is that he wants to be a guitar player. Like he wants to, he has these dreams. He has these ambitions kind of like we all do. And in a lot of ways, like, you know, this movie is like, it's kind of a, it is a darker movie. And I think maybe that's why people are like, you know, the second one isn't as much of a favorite. And the third one tends to just kind of be forgotten. And everyone gravitates to the first one because it is such a complete film. Like it's a contained story in an hour and a half. And you don't even really need to watch the other two if you don't want to, because it like, it, it's so perfect beginning, middle and end. But the second one is dark. Cause it does ask these dark questions of like, It's this sliding doors effect. It's like, what if I had done this differently? And what if I had done this? And we see that realization that Marty has when he... you know, sees what his life has become in 2015. And when he kind of, and then when Jennifer overhears, like, you know, he's just got this, like, no, you know, he can't stand down. Like he's just kind of this hothead, which, you know, the whole thing, it's like somebody calls him a chicken and he just can't stand that. Like that kind of becomes this whole thing in part two, but you also see it in part one. He is a bit of a hothead. He's a slacker. He kind of stands up to Strickland. He misbehaves. He's always causing trouble. I mean, even when Biff, the first time he sees Biff, when he's back in 1955, he's assaulting Lorraine. He runs over and he's about to punch Biff in the face. That's just his immediate response. He grabs Biff by the shirt and then, of course, Strickland breaks it up. So he is this hothead. So it's almost like a realization of Marty. It's like, am I being reactive? Am I too reactive? And then it's like, And then, you know, and Jennifer hears about like the car accident, like, what was that? Like, Oh my God. Like, and then it like, it sets it up beautifully for the third one where Jennifer then, and again, this is going to kind of talk about, we're going into the nineties beware, um, where Jennifer has that printout from the house in 2015, where it says you're fired. And then when doc comes back with, um, Clara and their two kids on the, the big time machine train, um, um, pretty cool the the your fire disappears she goes you know dr brown this thing disappeared like why why did that disappear he goes he goes because your future hasn't happened yet no one's future hasn't no one's future is written so you know make it a good one and it's like such like what a perfect line to end this trilogy it's like no one's future has happened yet you know your future is unwritten so just make sure it's a good one and like just like terminator 2 yeah Yeah. And then Biff sends a robot back to kill Doc Brown in that train. Um, no, but it's like, that's the message where it's just like, look, like, I think there's a lot of us in our lives where if we were, you know, it's that it's such a beautiful journey of like, it starts with seeing, uh, what your parents were like when they were kids to seeing what you were going to be like when you're your parents' age and then where you are now and how you make those decisions. Cause it's like, I always wonder that myself where it's like, what would it be like to go back to, you know, when my parents were in high school and, and spend time with them and see them and maybe hopefully not get involved in their lives too much, but like watch them from afar, kind of, you know, see how they acted. And then what would my parents, 16 15 year old self think of my 40 year old self you know what what would that experience be like for him and it's and this is that movie that's kind of that wish fulfillment and it's like no you can kind of like you can kind of change things like even if you're not happy about where you are now there's still a future ahead of you and like you can change things and you can do things that are going to make that future better you can you know um you know, like start being more active. You can, you can lose weight. You can change jobs. You can get married a second time. You know, there's the, there's a such, there's such a future ahead of you still. And like that, that to me is like why the, the, the trilogy is so perfect because it ends on that node where it's like your future hasn't happened yet. No one's has. So like, go out and make the best of it it's such a beautiful way to end it and that was like kind of a long-winded answer of what you asked but
SPEAKER_01:you're making me tear up casey that was so beautifully said i love that i don't think i can like there's nothing that i could possibly say that like that's just a really beautiful way of rounding out um both i mean okay yes yes yes 90s The third film is in the 90s. But rounding out the trilogy and rounding out this conversation.
SPEAKER_05:They were made at the same time.
SPEAKER_01:It's
SPEAKER_05:fine. Okay,
SPEAKER_01:sure. We'll count it.
SPEAKER_04:Technically, it still counts. It was all... Yeah. The script was written in the 80s. So there we go.
SPEAKER_01:So... When we first introduced you, mentioned that, of course, in addition to being one of our favorite people, you do some really amazing stuff in the entertainment world. And I was wondering if you just wanted to share with our listeners anything you want, anything you got going on, anything that's coming up soon, whatever.
SPEAKER_04:You can probably hear me nightly or, you know, at least every other nightly as the uh, cold open voiceover for the late show with Stephen Colbert on CBS,
SPEAKER_06:uh,
SPEAKER_04:doing the, you know, the fake trailers and commercials and PSAs and things like that, which is, again has just been kind of a dream job you talk about traveling back in the past and talking to your past self like i that would that's what i would lead with if i met a younger version myself it's like hey you're gonna you know you're gonna be doing this which is kind of fun um and i actually got to go and uh work at the ed sullivan theater earlier this year um
SPEAKER_01:that's amazing and
SPEAKER_04:meet everyone and meet steven and meet the writers and producers and just kind of sit there as like a fly on the wall during writing sessions and got to even pitch a couple jokes A couple got in. It was like a comedy fantasy camp. It was really, truly special. And so that's kind of been... an amazing job I also do obviously VO promos for I'm the voice of NBA TV so obviously we've been busy with that with the finals going on right now and then also I just recently did voiceover for I'm the announcer voice for the new Top Spin tennis game from 2K video games and then last but certainly not least for the last two years I have been the voice of of the general in the general auto insurance ads. Really? Casey! That is so cool! Yep, so it's, you know, every time you hear, for a great low rate, you can get online, go with the general, and save some time. Oh, my goodness! That's me.
SPEAKER_06:That is so cool! That's awesome.
SPEAKER_04:That is just so fun. The agency that I do it with, they just sent me a bobblehead of the general. So I've got like a bobblehead of a character I voice, which is really kind of fun and nerdy and cool. And then last, but certainly not least, and most importantly, tying into life events and back to the future. I'm getting married in a month to who, if you've listened to these podcasts before, you heard her beautiful and eloquent voice on the Prancer episode
SPEAKER_06:where
SPEAKER_04:she, at the end of that, I think summed up holiday movies and Christmas movies in general and had us all crying when she talked about that. But I get to marry her on July 13th. And I'm going to be marrying her at the Hollywood United Methodist Church in Hollywood, which has a unique connection to Back to the Future because the gymnasium there is where they actually filmed the Enchantment Under the Sea dance. And that is where we're going to be holding our reception and the gym will be recreated as the Enchantment Under the Sea dance. So for our wedding, I get to live out... some of my Back to the Future fantasies, which is just, as I'm saying it, I'm like, I'm kind of in disbelief. So that's the thing that I'm most excited about.
SPEAKER_01:And we are so excited because we're very honored that we will be there to celebrate you guys. We are just thrilled and been looking forward to it for so long now. And this episode will drop the week before your wedding. Wow, that's so
SPEAKER_04:cool. I love that. Oh, my gosh. Well, I'm—we are— so overjoyed that you guys can make it and bring your cameras because it's the only thing we're worried about is that most of the guests won't be out on the floor dancing or eating dinner because they're going to be going and getting pictures you know in the stairwell where george you know marty talks to george and lorraine or on the side of the stage where there is an actual phone where you can call like marvin berry to chuck berry and um you know the stage will be decorated enchantment of the sea dance and it's it's going to be it's you're basically going going to a wedding on a movie set. So it's going to be a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_01:Well, this is just, again, we love you. We love spending time with you. We love talking to you. This has been a blast. We're looking forward to this amazing celebration in just a couple weeks. And in the meantime, Casey, just thank you again for being on the show. It's truly always our pleasure to have such a wonderful person and wonderful friend on it.
SPEAKER_04:I couldn't say it better myself. I so enjoy this. And I mean, this is my fourth time back and I will come back another hundred times to talk about movies. And it's, I mean, I got to come on here and talk about a movie that I'm not passionate about because every movie I've come on and talked about it like I have such a deep love for and I'm like bring me on for like I don't know some movie with Jim Belushi and we'll just talk about that and we'll still have a lot of fun
SPEAKER_01:okay okay well you heard it here first movie number five with Casey starring Jim Belushi any
SPEAKER_04:Jim Belushi we're good to go
SPEAKER_01:Casey we love you thank you for being on the show again
SPEAKER_05:that was awesome It really was. It really, yeah, no, it was.
SPEAKER_01:We love him and he's
SPEAKER_05:awesome. Yes.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, Derek.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I know the answer to this, but would you watch this film again? I
SPEAKER_05:would, but, you know, I might watch it halfway through because the part in the future is, you know, and I even mentioned this, it's probably, like, to the extent there's a least favorite part, that would be it. Although... it is fun to see like old man Biff writhing in pain when he gets out of the DeLorean. And I actually did watch the deleted scene where he's just like, he's hiding behind a vehicle when you see Doc and Marty getting back in the DeLorean. And he's just like in obviously a lot of pain. He almost looks like Palpatine, like with all the makeup and aesthetics and stuff. And then he just like fades away and that's it. So, I
SPEAKER_01:mean,
SPEAKER_05:he
SPEAKER_01:kind of, Did to himself. Yeah. I mean, I am... I'm not going to bash this film. I just love the first film so much. It's tough, yeah. For me, I... Although at this point, like, because it's been... a long time. I know I've watched the third one with you. Yeah. And that I would like to see again, just to feel like I'm up to date with the entire trilogy.
SPEAKER_05:See, I had a harder time with the third one than the second one, particularly when I was a kid when these all came out. I was not much of a fan of any Western stuff. So the fact that it took place predominantly in the Old West was not very intriguing for me at all. But I've come around on three, and I've kind of shifted a little bit on two. Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Call to action. I mean, I'm very curious. Like this isn't look, I'm bringing this up because Casey was the first to bring it up in terms of like people who just really maybe fall more so my category where they really love the first film that's kind of where they're
SPEAKER_05:Because you could watch that first one, and that's what he said. If that's
SPEAKER_01:the only one you watch. Yeah. Or people who are like, no, to me, the story is the trilogy. Yeah. And I'm just curious, what camp you fall into? So if you want to reach out, we would love to hear from you. You can reach out through Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. X. It's the same handle for all three. It is at 80s Montage Pod, and 80s is 8-0-S.
UNKNOWN:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01:You have no idea what the next film is because I've not told you. Oh.
SPEAKER_05:But I think you're going to like it. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:I think you're going to like it. All
SPEAKER_05:right. I
SPEAKER_01:cannot even think of what would I do for a clue. I
SPEAKER_05:don't know. That
SPEAKER_01:makes it tougher, though. This in itself is very convoluted. The clue I'm going to give you is that I hate the title of the sequel to it.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, my God. Oh, we're finally doing First Blood.
SPEAKER_01:We are finally doing First Blood.
SPEAKER_05:Amazing.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Well done.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, that's a great clue.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you. That's a fantastic clue. Thank you. Yeah. So up to this point, although there have been some outliers like Dragon Slayer, where we've done a lot of like kind of lighthearted, fair, a lot of teen flicks. So I think it's only fair that we should like kind of pivot off and go into a different genre. Wait,
SPEAKER_05:is this not a comedy?
SPEAKER_01:And we're going to get, actually I'm trying to think how many more, we're going to have only a couple, it's kind of insane to say this but after this film First Blood we're gonna have maybe two or three films until we finally actually get into our Halloween series okay so so that is a big chunk of like the fall so I'm excited to watch this it's gonna be like nice to kind of take a break from the type of films we've been doing a lot of lately
SPEAKER_05:well yeah the first one is legitimately like it's got it's ridiculous moments but it feels so different in tone than any of the like kind of crazy sequels.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So First Blood. Nice. And to everyone out there, thank you so much for hanging with us. We really appreciate with all the podcast choices that you have that you listen to ours. So thank you so much. And we will talk to you again in two weeks time.