Lucas

In this episode, Anna and Derek debate what's fair in love and war in high school, how much trouble that football coach would have gotten into in the real world, and much more during their discussion of the Corey Haim coming-of-age starrer Lucas (1986).

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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.

Transcript

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No fights, I mean it. I think you should listen to the lady. You know, if I was you, I wouldn't stick around to see the movie. You understand me, Leucaplakia? I'm going to be looking for you guys afterwards. No, you won't. The hell I won't. They're going to be with me afterwards. Oh, yeah? Yeah, we're going out to eat. What are you always sticking up for this wimp for?

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What are you always picking on him for? Whoa, and welcome to 80s Movie Montage. This is Derek.

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And this is Anna.

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And that was Bruno threatening Lucas and his friends, and Cappy, played by Charlie Sheen, defending him in 1986's Lucas.

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Well done. You're doing a really good job lately of a recap of the intro clip when we start.

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Yeah, I know. I'm just worried about the fair use arguments, you know? Oh, is that why you have to do it? Well, no. I mean, I just want to make sure that we comment on it to show that it's part of our discussion.

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Oh, okay. Okay, smart. Yes. That was a clip from the movie Lucas. I'm really happy to cover this movie.

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I know. Yeah. You've mentioned a few times that you're really looking forward to seeing it and talking about it.

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Well, you just mentioned off, Mike, that you were watching a clip from Siskel and Ebert about it.

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Yes. And it was, in Ebert's view, one of the more underrated and unappreciated movies of 1986. He really enjoyed the performances, the story. He thought it really... perfectly encapsulated the the feelings of being kind of like a 15 year old he's 14 i think in the movie but just kind of like the runt basically yes in high school and what that can mean and having a crush in in high school and siskel Siskel had a little bit of an issue with the fact that Cappy, who we just mentioned, was also involved. I thought Ebert made a great point that back then, that was always the story, that you had a crush on someone, but they had a crush with somebody else. And Siskel responded, I know how it worked. And Ebert said, I'm sure you do.

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Which is a

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really fun story, a really fun video.

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I do agree with Ebert. I think that this film is still really underrated. In terms of when you think back– so the 80s plethora of teen films. I mean we've talked about that quite a bit. Yeah,

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yeah. He specifically said like this isn't really– this is like a movie with teens but it's not a teen movie.

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Correct. Yeah. I mean all the main characters are teenagers. They're all high schoolers.

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Yeah.

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But it is– very far away from a lot of the other teen films of that era. They each have their place. You know, I mean, we've talked a lot at this point about John Hughes and how he's the most notable filmmakers. His films are the most notable films of that era when it comes to teen flicks. But I love that there's a movie like Lucas out there. And I think that it does capture maybe the most truthfully of the teen films that I know of that era. those types of circumstances. It

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turns out it takes those feelings and really dials it up because I don't think... most kids in Lucas's position would really just force their way onto the football team and almost

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get killed. Yes, there are moments of heightened reality. It gets wild at the end. Yeah, we'll get to all of that, but let's jump in. So, 1986, and this film has a writer-director thing going on, and so both credits go to David Seltzer. Okay. And as far as his writing credits go, some really interesting credits here. So... He actually has an uncredited credit for...

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My favorite credits.

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For Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

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The...

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So about 10 years prior.

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Okay, so like the original...

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Yes. Gene Wilder. Yep, yep. So he, I guess, did a little work on that. So here is his big claim to fame, so to speak. He is the credited screenwriter for... Leoman. Oh,

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so he's the guy who initially wanted to... not named Damien Damien

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yeah we were just talking about that I

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wanted to name the kid after like a friend's awful kid

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yeah it's so funny that that's been like a weird topic of conversation for us over the last couple weeks

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it has

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been is the name of Damien and you know names that go out of fashion because of like cultural whatever

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because of association with the

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spawn of Satan so he has a ton of credits all relating back to the original film because he originated it. So he has, it's like all character credits for the most part for Damien Omen 2. I didn't realize that the third Omen movie, the one with Sam Neill. I

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didn't know there

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was a third one. Yeah, Sam Neill is like an adult Damien.

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Oh, really? Okay.

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But I always thought it had like the Omen as part of its title, but no, it's just called The Final Conflict, which is weird that it doesn't lean into the fact that it's part of the Omen franchise?

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It's also a lie if there was a four and five. There appear to have been other conflicts.

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Yes, it is a lie because there is Omen 4, The Awakening. I guess it was like a TV movie. Then there was, I guess, maybe a reboot. I'm not super familiar, but there's a more recent film just called, again, The Omen. And then there was a TV series called Damien, a video, again, called The Omen. I hate when they just use this. It's so lazy to just use the same name. And then there's The First Omen, which that came out fairly recently, I think.

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I'm absolutely shocked that there's not one just called Omens.

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Omens, yeah. So that is his biggest claim to fame, I would say. But some of his other writing credits. And he is somebody who often is directing material he's written. So we'll get to a couple of his directing credits in just a second. But he wrote Punchline, Bird on a Wire, Shining Through. My Giant, and Nobody's Baby. Okay. All right. So circling right back to David Seltzer. So this was not his first directing gig, but this was his first feature film that he directed.

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Okay.

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And then I just mentioned that he often directs stuff that he's written, and that was the case. He was the director for Punchline, Shining Through, and Nobody's Baby. All right. So moving on to cinematography. Okay. I want to try to do justice to this name.

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Oh, let me do it.

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Okay.

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Reynaldo Villalobos.

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Thank you. Yes, that's great. So a lot of really well-known credits to his name. He has come up before on this podcast, but it's been a minute. So he, first of all, Still going strong. He was born in 1940. It's been a couple of years since I think the last credit I have for him, but that was just in 2020. So 80 years old at that point. So go, go Ronaldo. Yeah. Some of his credits include Urban Cowboy. The one that we have brought up was 9 to 5. Oh,

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okay.

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So he did that. And that was a couple seasons ago with Susan. Go check that one out. He has an uncredited credit, which this is so interesting because you don't often see that for cinematography. But he has an uncredited credit for personal best. Okay. I think... I think what I read about that is somehow there was a conflict there. They had to stop production because of I think at the time it was a SAG strike. And so when things resumed, he just either like no longer was available or something to that nature. So I think that's– he didn't get like fired off the project. He is the DP for Risky Business. I'm shocked that we haven't covered that, right? We have not covered that. So probably at some point it's– Not sure my feelings on that movie. I mean,

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we covered Night Shift. It's just a less funny version of that.

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Yeah, I feel like Night Shift is a little bit more in on the joke.

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Yeah.

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Risky Business, I think, is playing it... They're trying to play

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it straight up, aren't

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they? Yeah, I mean, that's something I guess that would be a discussion around that film, but I'm not so sure how I feel about that movie. Obviously, that put Cruise on the map, but... Some great music in it. Yeah, at some point in the future. We'll get to it, probably. He, speaking of, only because Risky Business is set in Chicago, he shot a film called... That makes sense. He was the DP on Punchline, so he re-teams with Seltzer. Okay. Major League, American Me, A Bronx Tale, PCU. I mean, so many... really well-known films. Rami and Michelle's High School Reunion. That is a

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fun

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movie. It is a really fun movie. I mean, talk about great soundtracks.

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Yeah.

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Love and Basketball. Not another teen movie. He did shoot a couple episodes of Breaking Bad. Nice. And then as mentioned, one of his most recent credits is the 2020 film Then Came You.

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Okay. That's pretty solid.

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Pretty solid. Yeah. Okay. Moving on to music. Holy cow. Have we covered him before? Yes, we have. Actually, a couple of times. But still, another fella who is going strong, David Grusin. He was born in 1934. Holy shit.

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So

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he's 90 years old right now. Oh my goodness. When you look at his credit, how many do I have for him? I have like... 25. Okay.

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Narrowed it down.

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He is an Oscar-winning composer and many more nominations on top of that win, so we'll get to some of those in just a second. But really early in his career, he... I do have mostly films for him, but he did kind of start out in television. He composed on Gidget. Oh, fun. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know this was a show. There, I guess, was... I'm assuming it was a spinoff. The Girl from Uncle...

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Yeah, because it's the man from Uncle. That's the title I'm familiar with. I didn't know there was. That's cool.

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So he did that. He did the film Divorce American Style.

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Okay.

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I think I wrote this wrong. Are you looking at his credits right now?

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Yeah.

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I have. I'm sure this is a typo. The Gange That Couldn't Shoot Straight. What's the actual title?

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It sounds like it's probably going to be The Gang.

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Thank you. Okay.

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I don't know, what year was that? Do you have a

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year for that? I don't know, I don't put down the years, but I just thought, I put that down because

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it was a fun title. It's a fun title, no matter what, whether we say it the Gange or the Gange. This one,

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I don't even know what this could be. The Great Northfield, Minnesota Raid. I don't know. Crazy. He did another TV show called The Girl with Something Extra. Okay. Three Days of the Condor. So now we're getting into, I think, all films here. The Goodbye Girl. So he gets his first Oscar nom. And are they all for score? Yeah. Because sometimes we have song thrown in there. Yeah, he's all scores. So he gets his first Best Original Score Oscar nom for Heaven Can Wait. He follows that up with another nomination for The Champ. The

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Champ, okay.

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Yeah, I don't know it. Two films, not Oscar noms, but he did compose on both My Bodyguard and Absence of Malice.

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Okay.

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I think that's a Paul Newman film. Oh, I think that actually is Paul Newman and Sally Field again. Man, to go from Gidget to Absence of Malice. Okay, so he gets another Oscar nomination for On Golden Pond. So one of the two times that he has come up before is because, and he also got an, oh, he does have a song. I can't believe I overlooked that. He has the best original song Oscar nomination for Tootsie.

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Yeah, I was surprised that that didn't come up. I kind of figured.

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Yeah, so we did that one with Gianna. That was a couple seasons ago. Please go check that one out. For sure, the first time he came up. Although we have changed our format a little bit. I'm hoping we did bring him up. He composed on The Goonies. I hope

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so.

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Yeah. Yeah, probably. We do things a little differently than we did all the way back in season one. And that was season one. It was like the third episode of season one or

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something. Is that an acceptable call to action to have someone fact check our own

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podcast

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for us?

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Will you please do some free labor for us and save?

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Let us know. Let us know.

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So infamously, so here's what's funny. And this is just like, I feel the way entertainment is. Oh, I know it's going to come up now, I bet. Oh, you do? What do you think I'm going to say? I don't know. Okay. Well, for First, he was the composer on Ishtar.

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Yeah, that's what I thought. Yes. As soon as he said, look, you said infamously, and I looked down and saw the word Ishtar, and I'm like, oh.

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Yes, so that's what that is. So he goes from Ishtar, though, and gets his Oscar win for best original score on the Milagro-Bainfield War. So talk about a pendulum swing. I

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mean, yeah, I don't, sometimes I never know how seriously to take like, oh, Ishtar just ruined careers, or it was the worst movie. Was it? I don't know.

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never saw it

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we gotta cover it it's 87 yeah

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we'll have to cover it it has a very notable female screenwriter who this was like I think that was her first directing gig and that did kill her career

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well as a director let's see if it kills this podcast just by even talking about it I hope I hope it doesn't

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okay wow we'll put it to the test put that over us my goodness okay let's just move on so he also composed on tequila sunrise he gets another best oscar nom for the fabulous baker boys I mean He has a good run. He gets another Oscar nom for Havana. This, again, was a film that didn't exactly go according to plan, but he was the composer on The Bonfire of the Vanities. He gets, so far, his last Oscar nom for The Firm, but he also composes on Selena, Hope Floats, which is a very sweet

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movie. Yeah, I know you like that

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movie a lot. Yeah, I do like that movie. And more recently from 2020, a TV miniseries called Sine Shalom.

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Okay.

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Okay. Moving on to film editing, we have a female editor. Woo-woo!

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Cool.

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Cool, cool. Priscilla Ned Friendly. Okay. I think maybe at the time that she did this, she was just Priscilla Ned. So... This is somebody... Yeah, we could bring her up again at some point. I feel like it'd be probably pretty far down the road. But some of her credits, I have almost all films for her. Did you ever watch the film Eddie and the Cruisers? I have not seen that. Do you know of it? I know of it. Yeah. For some reason, I feel like there must have been a TV deal or something for it when I was a kid. I feel like it was on TV all the time. I don't know why. Of all the films to be familiar with, I don't know why that's a movie that I remember just... Just seeing a lot as a kid. But in any case, she cut it. She also cut The Flamingo Kid. She did Tucker, colon, The Man and His

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Dream. It's a movie about cars.

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Is it?

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Yeah.

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Oh, I never saw

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it.

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Yeah. Probably the most famous film that she cut was Pretty Woman.

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Yeah. She did that. Probably, yeah.

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Probably. Doc Hollywood, The Evening Star, American Pie. I feel like that's not aged well.

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Yeah.

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Oh, that's a big heavy sigh for me. I think you're probably right, but I also think it's fine to have movies that are just kind of like a product of their time.

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But that's what's so funny about that film, because that feels like that should be a 1980s film, where these guys just are desperately trying to lose their virginity. Well,

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even the movie Old School... Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Those early aughts. Yeah.

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So in any case, she got that. She also was the editor on the 2003 The Haunted Mansion. Oh,

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okay. I can't remember which one was that. There are so many haunted mansions.

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There's a surprising number of haunted mansions. It's kind of crazy. I stand by, though. I was entertained by the one we watched last year.

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Yeah, I liked it. It had the misfortune of releasing at the same time as Barbie.

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Yeah.

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And Oppenheimer. Sorry.

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But you know what? We're quickly getting into spooky season. I'm going to throw it on. Not like tonight, but I will for sure watch it.

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It wasn't a perfect movie. There were a lot of like weird pacing decisions with it, but it was a fun enough movie.

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I don't know why Jared Leto had to be a part of it, but in any case.

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You could say that for so many movies.

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So she cut that. We are Marshall, 27 Dresses, The Proposal, which is a surprisingly sweet

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film we just recently saw that i think for the first time

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right yeah yeah i think it's a holiday movie right isn't it set around christmas

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i think so i

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think so she also uh she has worked in television she cut a couple episodes of queen of the south and then a film called love hard

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okay

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okay so we are at the stars of the film starting with of course Corey Haim it has been a minute for sure since we've talked about him uh definitely other opportunities to talk about him in the future I think very well known unfortunately he passed pretty early it's already been like a decade I think since he's passed away yeah I think he was maybe only in his like late 30s at that point because he's a child actor I mean He is supposed to be 14 in this film. He's pretty probably close to that age in the film.

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Yeah, I think he was. And

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that wasn't even like... Well, right around the time of this, I mean, this was early in his career, but another film that we could do with him, and I think you'd be up for it at some point, Silver Bullet.

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Yeah, I love that. That movie is so much fun. Yeah, I would love to cover that one.

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And that has... Is it Gary Busey?

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It does have... Gary Busey is his drunk uncle, basically. Got it. Yeah. Not only helps him with illegal fireworks, which I feel differently now

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about

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than I did then, and also his souped-up wheelchair that is, in fact, what gives the title to the movie. He calls it the Silver Bullet.

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So that did precede this film. So that was one of his very, very first... Also preceding this film is Murphy's Romance. So again, Sally Field. I don't know why she's coming up so much, but he's in that. So the other film that we have covered with him is The Lost Boys. Oh,

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you know what? When you say The Lost Boys, I should also say, yes, I realized that it was also called Silver Bullet because of werewolves.

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Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, I'm sorry. That didn't even cross my mind.

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But like The Wheelchair 2, but also Werewolves.

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That is interesting. Now I'm thinking about the number of horror films he's been in. Yeah, The Lost Boys, that was a couple seasons ago. That might have been towards the tail end of our first season with Courtney. So go check that one out. Great film. Other films from the 80s. Also,

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yes, I realize that The Lost Boys was vampires, not werewolves.

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Oh, my goodness. I don't think anybody's questioning. You're overthinking this. I'm

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questioning. This is what happens when we record two back-to-back with COVID.

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That's true. License to Drive. He was in Dream a Little. So, you know, a number of, of course, they call it the Corys with the couple of films that he did with Corey Feldman. Yeah. Lost Boys was one. License to Drive was another. Dream a Little Dream. He also was in the second one. I didn't know there was a second one.

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Second what?

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Dream a Little Dream. Really? Yep.

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Okay.

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He was in a film called Fast Getaway. Apparently there was a sequel to that as well. He was in a film called Dream Machine. I kind of vaguely remember this movie. Just one of the girls?

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No.

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A video. I think it was maybe straight to video. Snowboard Academy and Demolition University. Okay. But the time he passed... I'm not sure how active his acting career was, but he gave us so much, especially as a child actor. I've said this about Corey Feldman before. I really do think Corey Feldman is one of the finest child actors that I've seen. Yeah. Especially from this era, from this particular decade. And Corey Haim, especially in this film, I think shows that as well.

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he's great. Like, it's an amazing performance in this movie.

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It is. It's a really, really good performance, and I think once we get through all the main players, we can start kind of talking about the different nuances of those characters, but he is so perfectly cast in this movie, and there's just so much sincerity. I mean, I'm always just really impressed. I'm impressed by actors who act well in the first place, but especially child actors. Like, where are they pulling from? Like, they have no No life experience. Like, it's amazing that they can put themselves into these characters. Yeah, yeah. And he's so believable. There's not a moment of insincerity in this performance, but that's Corey Haynes. So, for now. Okay, moving on to Carrie Green. So, she plays Maggie. She is, to your earlier point, the person that Lucas has a crush on. I thought

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it was pretty dramatic when, like... he's just watching her play tennis and then he plays some classical music in the background. That seemed like a little much,

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a little much. I mean, they, again, they play around with like it being diegetic sound versus it being something else. Because I think the second he would have turned it on, she'd be like, what are you doing? And not just like went ahead and play tennis. But in any case, Carrie green. So probably, well, she has, um, Two other really notable credits. She, I think, has clearly, she made a choice early on that she didn't want to continue with acting. So her filmography is pretty short.

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Okay.

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But her very first credit, the film that we've covered of hers, The Goonies.

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Amazing. Yeah. That's a great first movie to be in.

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And it's funny because also in that film, she's like in a cheerleading outfit for, well, in Goonies, the entire thing. Yeah. And this film, a good half of it.

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Yeah. I think. Yeah.

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So go check that one out. Probably another film that we will certainly cover at some point. She's in Summer Rental.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. She's John Candy's daughter, I think, in that. Yeah.

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Yep. I think this one, she's in, again, with Charlie Sheen, Three for the Road. I don't really know the film, but he's also in it.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And then she has done a handful of TV appearances, but for the most part, I think she's just, you know, as an adult, went on and had a life outside of acting. Okay. Okay, so moving on to... Yes, we probably have brought him up briefly before, but really the first time, Charlie Sheen. I mean, it's kind of crazy that we haven't brought him up before.

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He's probably come up... Briefly at the end of Ferris, right?

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Yes. Yeah. I'm sure we gave him a shout out. But he plays Cappy. So he... We talked about this when we were watching the movie. It's really interesting the way that his relationship develops with Maggie because...

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Because he's been dating... Courtney...

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Elise. Elise,

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yeah.

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Yeah, Courtney Thorne-Smith. And look, okay, I get it. It's a high school relationship. But they have been dating for three years. She even says to him, oh, it's pretty serious, huh?

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Maggie comes in and just blows that shit up.

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She comes in hot. Like, it's... That's in part what I think is really interesting about this film is that... Even these characters that we're supposed to like, there are certain things that they all do that aren't exactly on the up and up.

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It's just high school. It's high school stuff. It's very high school-y type behavior, right?

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Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. So, Charlie Sheen, of course, a famous slash infamous career. Among, I mean, he's... I don't want to say he's gone off the rails. It seems like he's maybe come back on the rails a little bit. Yeah, there was a period of

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time where he was so far from the rails.

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Yeah.

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What

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did he say? Tiger's blood or something like that?

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Winning.

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Winning and that he had tiger's blood or

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something. Yeah, yeah. A lot of crazy stuff.

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A lot of crazy stuff. I mean, it does make me wonder if he hadn't had maybe both the... Because he also had a really... great run as a young not like maybe child actor but like as a young actor

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yeah

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and i'll get into those credits in just a second but also i'm i've always kind of wondered if he got like a little bit of leeway for his bad behavior because he's part of a very famous acting family yeah and i'm sure i'm sure that's part of it yeah it's like okay it is what it is but i do you got the

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president looking out for you

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yeah exactly when you got martin sheen as your dad uh Now, one of his credits that I have said this before, I really want to cover this at some point, Grizzly to Revenge. Oh, yeah. For some reason, there's like, I think a lot of like now famous names in it. Okay. Weirdly enough. He is in Red Dawn, which probably at some point. Wolverines. Right. I don't really know the film that well.

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They do that.

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They do that. I figured.

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Yeah.

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To your earlier point, he does have a very famous cameo in Ferris Bueller's Day

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Off.

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Apparently, he really legitimately stayed up for two days to get that look and to kind of come across as being strung out.

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He could have just tried acting.

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He could have just tried acting, but there you go. The film that I say differently every time, The Wraith.

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No, that's exactly how you say it. But that's right. Yeah.

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Okay.

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We got to cover that one, I think.

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Yes. That's a horror film, right?

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Yeah.

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Better be if it's called the Wraith.

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Do you know it or do you not know it?

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I've never seen it.

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Oh, I thought you had.

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I've never seen it. Look, it's about a small town in Arizona, so I should have seen it. But then a mysterious man, Spirit, descends from the sky and manifests in a sports car and targets a local violent road racing gang of motorheads headed by a ruthless bully who will do anything to get what he wants. It's

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not horror. I

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might watch this today. That sounds amazing. Okay. I wonder what small town in Arizona, that doesn't really limit it. It could be a lot of places in Arizona.

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So he has his own famous war movie, just like his dad. He's in Platoon. that I know brought him a lot of notoriety as like a serious actor

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yeah

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so I already mentioned he reteams with Cary Green for three on the three for the road he gets more acclaim although like no Oscar nominations or anything for Wall Street yeah he then does Young Guns and he does that like with his brother right because Emilio Estevez is also in that

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Yeah.

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They team up a couple times.

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They do in a movie that sadly we'll not be able to cover.

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I'll get to that in a second. So they're in Youngins together. He's in Eight Men Out. He does Major League. He comes back for its sequel, Major League Two. So the other one that you were talking about, Men at Work, right? Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I think it's what, 1990? It's

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1990. Crushing. Shucks. I know.

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Shucks.

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Yeah.

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He is in Hot Shots. He comes back for that sequel, Part Deux. He is in The Three Musketeers, The Chase, The Arrival. And then more recently in his career, he's done TV. So I want to say, if I'm remembering correctly, you know, Spin City started with Michael J. Fox. And then I think there might have been a point at that time with health... issues he stepped aside and then Charlie Sheen was the person who kind of took over he didn't like assume that role I think he's a totally different character I never really watched that show but he then was on that show for a while and it's funny because actually then kind of that happened to him for Two and a Half Men because obviously he was the headliner with that I guess with John Cryer

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and that's when things kind of got crazy right

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that's when things got crazy I think like that show I don't really know why was wildly successful and And he got– he went off the rails. He leaves the show slash gets fired. I don't know if that was ever really, like, clarified how that went down.

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Yeah, I don't watch the show, so I

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don't know. I don't watch the show.

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Yeah.

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But then because he exited that show, Ashton Kutcher stepped in. Oh,

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okay.

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So he then was on that show for a couple years. And then more recently, anger management. And I think– Yeah, we'll get to her in like literally two seconds. But he reteams with Courtney Thorne-Smith because she was on Two and a Half Men for a while. I'm not sure in what regard if she was like a love interest because I didn't watch the show. But in any case. So moving on to Courtney Thorne-Smith. So she plays Cappy's girlfriend for a period of time, Elise. And this was her very first credit. Yeah. A lot of these people, because everybody was pretty young.

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Yeah, at least three or so of them, I think it was their first credit. It was her first... movie we know the writer who we'll talk to in a second and jeremy piven who also looked like he was in his 40s still

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ridiculous but okay

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all their first role

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which is funny because like okay well we'll get to him when we get to him so courtney thorn smith uh she has had a wildly successful career in television

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yeah

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i mean she may not be like a name in the same way that charlie sheen or winona rider is but she's had a very successful career on the small screen so really early in her career i guess this was like the tv version of the movie she was on fast times

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oh i didn't i don't think i realized

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that she was um oh goodness gracious who played stacy in the film jennifer jason lee

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Oh, okay.

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So she plays that character, I think. Got it. Now, the other time we've talked about her, because this is like a movie-only podcast, was for Summer School. Yep. So go check that one out. That was with Steve. And then I think, yeah, everything else I have for her, TV. She must be making crazy money in residuals. She was on the TV show, I mean, the least famous of all these, Day by Day. But then her big breakout role was Melrose Place.

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158 episodes. Yes. That's a lot.

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Man, I do remember everybody waiting for when her and Billy were going to finally kiss. And it was a really big deal. Oh, was it? Yeah.

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Wow.

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So I do remember that. She, like I said, she, oh, well, actually, I didn't say this, but she did have a two episode stint on Spin City. So that's kind of fun. Another crossover with Sheen. She, another one of her really big roles was Ally McBeal. Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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But I'm going to say that like twice over because then she was on According to Jim with Jim Belushi for a crazy long, like she's his wife.

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She was on that for more episodes than she was in Melrose Place.

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Yeah. No, I'm saying she has had a incredible TV career.

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Are they still making According to Jim? No. I just assumed that show was going to be on forever.

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No, that's long been.

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Really?

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Yeah. Oh,

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thank God. I can start watching TV again.

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So she was on that. And then, like I mentioned for a very long time, will you go take a look? How many episodes was she on of Two and a Half Men?

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Oh, Two and a Half Men, about 51 episodes. Okay.

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Yeah. A decent amount.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. According to Jim, 182 episodes. Like, yeah, she's just had- A lot.

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Because like some of the people we talk about and they're on like a lot of TV, they're on like a lot of different shows for like one or two

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episodes. Yeah. They have like a one episode cameo or something like that. She's

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on like collectively 500 episodes of

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like- That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Various things. I think she's doing okay for herself. Yeah. So moving on to Winona Ryder. I mean, it's kind of wild to see her in this movie because this is her first credit. She plays Rina, and she is Lucas's friend slash the person that she has a crush on him.

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It's the love triangle. It's

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like a love quad-ringle or something.

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Rectangle?

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Or just a rectangle.

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Do we have a word to describe these shapes with...

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Yep. Quad wrinkle. I like

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that. That's probably actually a thing, and I'm the one who doesn't

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realize it. Rhombus.

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Yeah.

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I love rhombus. Love

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rhombusoid.

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So Winona Ryder, she's so young. She's so young in this movie. Yeah,

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she's like a little kid in this

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movie. She's such a kid and she's really good. She doesn't have a lot

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to do. All she gets to do is pine after

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Lucas. That's literally all she gets to do. He just like totally, I mean... Okay, here's a question for you. Do you think he is completely oblivious to how she feels, or do you think that he just doesn't care because he's so wrapped up in Maggie? I

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think he's... I think it's a little bit of both, but it feels like he's oblivious. And then he is a really good actor because at the very end, with what I consider now to be the first cinematic slow clap, she smiles at him and then gives a little bit extra smile. And then he has this look of awareness when he smiles back

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at her. Oh, I didn't catch that.

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I feel like it's all going to work out for them, for these

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kids moving forward. Okay, so that was kind of my follow-up. It's like, if Maggie had never come to this school, do you think he and Rina would have gotten together. I

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think that he had these romantic feelings for Maggie. That might be like his first crush or something like that. I think because he was so wrapped up in that, he was oblivious to the fact that Rina had like feelings for him. Sure. So I don't know, like without, without Maggie there would, would all of those things happen the same? Like we, would he have realized it and been receptive to it sooner? Um, I'm going to say yeah. Okay. I'm going to say maybe. I

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mean, I have to admit, we can get into this a little bit more after, but I, and I know this is like what the entire film hinges on, but it's kind of actually interesting to me that he even expressed romantic feelings towards Maggie. Because if you take away that part of his story, Yeah. He doesn't really... They set him up as a character that I don't really see would be that overt about having romantic feelings about anybody. Lucas? Yeah. Really? Because he's so into his book smarts and his bugs and his... All that kind of stuff. I guess I just didn't... He didn't strike me as a character that at that age with his other interests would be like... really gunning for a girlfriend.

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It felt like, to me, he has these interests because he already feels isolated in school because of his family, where he lives. And so... Like, I don't know to what extent other people, it seemed like Rina knew where he actually lived. I don't know if he felt a certain way about that. But these other activities that he's like, he's smart, he can do these things, he can do them alone. He just felt like really lonely

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as a character. Yeah, he did. Okay. Well, as far as Winona Ryder goes, it's been a minute since we've talked about her. Yeah. I think we talked about her twice in the first season and then that was kind of it. So I brought up this film before. She's in this movie called Square Dance that to me is like super weird. It's with Rob Lowe. And he has, I brought this up before on the podcast. Do you not remember me bringing this up? I don't remember Square

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Dance, no.

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Okay, he has, I guess, developmental challenges.

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Okay.

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Which, okay, it's an 80s film, so even there you have like a problematic. Is

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it like a What's Eating Gilbert Grape? Yes. Kind of thing?

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Yes. Okay. But then there's like kind of. It's been a million years since I've watched this movie. But if I remember correctly, because I remember as a kid thinking, this is weird. Because there's kind of like a crossover in terms of like romantic feelings. And it just felt really unsettling.

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Okay.

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And she's in it. So there you go. That's square dance for you. That's square dance. That's the way I remember it. In any case. So the first, well, no, not the first time we brought her up, but the next film, like chronologically, she's in Beetlejuice, which I'm so excited for the sequel.

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Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.

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Very rarely do I get excited about these like 40 year later sequels, but I am excited about this one.

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You were not excited at all for the Ghostbusters.

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No, and I'm still not.

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Yes. So that's saying something that you are. Because. I'll

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tell you right now, it can be done where you capture the tone of a film, even from 40 years ago. Top Gun Maverick did it. I feel pretty confident from what I've seen in the trailers that Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is able to pull it off.

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I think the first couple of seasons, at least the first couple of seasons of Cobra Kai captured that feeling from the original

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Karate Kid. It can be done.

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Before that show got crazy.

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It's goofy. Crazy. We're going to watch it to the end. Yeah, we will. And the reason why I just have such... It's not even the story. I don't mind the story of Ghostbusters continuing. And even if there had never been the 2016 Ghostbusters and the way that that was like... I feel still to this day really unfairly treated.

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It's not great, but it's... Totally. It's fine. There are some super fun moments

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in that movie. No less entertaining than the sequel that we saw that was helmed by Jason Reitman. Yeah. But tonally, that film is so off the rails itself in comparison to the first film.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It is not the same, and we have seen successful, I mean, more often than not, It's not successful. But we have seen successful examples of how you capture a certain tone and energy from the previous project. And they just, either they don't care or whatever, but it's not working for me with Ghostbusters. So, okay.

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All

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right. And she's not in Ghostbusters. No, she's not. But the next film that she was in, Heather's Witch, that might have been like, what, the second film that we brought up on the podcast? That's like so early. It was very early. Yeah. But great, great. I mean, she's a great actress. So she's fantastic in that. Another highly problematic movie based on a highly problematic true story. Great Balls of Fire. Oh. With Jerry Lee Lewis. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So she's in that. Whoops. What? Whoops. Whoops. Whoops. She, now we're getting to the 90s, but it would have been great if we could have covered Edward Scissorhands. She's in that. A film that didn't exactly hit with audiences at the time. I don't know if it's really had any kind of a resurgence, but Mermaids with Cher.

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Is it about mermaids?

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I don't know why it's called Mermaids, but it's her, and I think...

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So it's not like the Mermaids, the killer Mermaids movie that we watched.

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Oh, no. That was a way more fun movie, I think. But it's her and Cher and the guy from Who Framed Roger Rabbit. The main guy. There are

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animated

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characters in it? No. Well. The main guy, Bob Hoskins.

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Oh, okay.

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So I think he's in it. Again, this is a film I have not seen in forever. It also has Jake Ryan from 16 Candles. Wow. Yeah. And I think Christina Ricci. I think she's the younger sibling. Okay. So there's a lot of names in it, but it just didn't really come together. We just watched this because we were both like so flat on our back sick that we're like, what should we watch? Bram Stoker's Dracula.

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Listen, you make weird decisions.

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You make weird decisions. When

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you're not feeling well.

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It kind of was the perfect movie because it's such a fever dream. Yeah. Yeah.

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If you watch a fever dream when you have

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a fever. When you have a fever.

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You know, double jeopardy. The fever has to go away.

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So she's in that. Honestly, I think she did a pretty good job in that.

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Yeah. It's just so, like, her and Keanu... in that movie.

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She has way

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more chemistry with Gary Oldman. Yeah. Yeah. So much more.

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So much more. She gets her first, so she is an Oscar nominated actress. She gets her first Best Supporting Actress for The Age of Innocence. And then she is in The House of Spirits. And then this is when she becomes like the face of like 90s young adulthood. Gen X. Gen X. Reality Bites. So she's in that with Ethan Hawke, Janine Graffalo. I mean, such a great film. That is such, such a time capsule of its era. It

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really is.

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I mean, that one, it's relatable in some ways because I think young people are still like trying to figure out their lives. But like, oh my God, it is just like prototypical 90s.

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Mm-hmm.

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She gets her next Oscar nomination, this time Best Actress for Little Women. She goes on to make, now I have almost all films for her until, just like a couple other people who've talked about very recently, she's had a very notable turn in television. She's in How to Make an American Quilt, Boys, The Crucible. She teams up with Sigourney Weaver in Alien Resurrection, right? Weaver's in that.

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Yeah, yeah. Ripley, the character Ripley is like basically a cloned version of her. Okay. But yeah.

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Is it Alien 4? Yeah.

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Yes. Okay. Yeah.

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She's in Girl Interrupted, Mr. Deeds, Black Swan. Small role, but good role in Black Swan. So she re-teams. I think, did I make you watch this with me, Destination Wedding? No. Because she re-teams with Keanu Reeves.

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Oh, you did? Yes. And we both were like, what?

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Because isn't it, it's almost like they don't break, it's like almost one continuous shot or something like that. Yeah, I

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think so. There was something about it where

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we were

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like, yeah.

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I mean, it was fine. So as I mentioned, her most famous and maybe almost only TV role to date, Stranger Things. Yep. Joyce Byers. Joyce Byers. Yeah. Is it Byer or Byers? It's Byers. Byers. Okay. Yeah. And we are waiting for the final season of that, which I don't think it's coming out until next year when they're going to all be like 30.

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But there's like, oh, I'm thinking of Karate Kid where there's like- It's a three-parter. Two more parts

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left to come out. It's a three-part final season.

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Yeah.

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Stranger Things will probably be a two part, my guess is. And they're all like their individual films.

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The Stranger Things, the kids are going to be in college at this point, right?

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I'm not sure what they're going to do with how far along in the time jump because COVID messed everything up too. So we'll see. And then, as mentioned, very excited. I don't normally put in films that haven't been released yet, but it's on its way in a couple months. It's happening. Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, very excited.

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Will there be a third one just based on the fact they're calling it Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice?

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I don't know. I don't know.

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We'll

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see. So, moving on to, I want to say his name is Ciro Papiti?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I want to say that too.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So he plays Ben. Ben is Lucas's friend who like constantly, he's like part of the video club. So he's constantly taping things. He

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is present in that scene that we opened the podcast with. And he's standing up to Bruno.

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Yes.

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Yeah, that's what prompts the whole like confrontation. Yeah. Is he doesn't put up with that shit.

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I love it.

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And the Bruno character says like, you should be smart like Lucas.

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Mm-hmm.

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And his friend says, I'm not like him. Lucas is scared, not like me.

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Yeah. No, he's great.

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Yeah, he is. He is awesome in this movie.

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I don't get the sense. I think he maybe took... The Path of Cary Green, where he's like, yeah, here I am acting, but it's not going to be my life because he doesn't have a ton of credits.

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Okay.

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So we have for him, I have four other credits. One is a film called Italian Movie. Okay. A video called Lucky Man. He was on one episode of a TV series called Ciao Italia.

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He was a guest chef on that. Oh. Which makes me wonder what he pivoted into.

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Okay, maybe he's a chef. And then a film called Crutches. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know what else he is up to. But moving on to Bruno. So he's the bully in that clip.

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He's the bully and then he is the person who starts the slow clap at the end of the movie.

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He does have an arc. He has an arc.

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He does.

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He is very much, and you know what? I'm really glad they gave him that. He still isn't a character with a lot of nuance, but he comes across initially as like your stereotypical meathead football player bully type guy. And honestly, that's what's really interesting about Cappy. He talks about why he's the way he is with Lucas. I thought that was another really interesting part of this film is that they don't just like carte blanche make all the football players these like meatheads.

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Yeah.

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Cappy. That is a really interesting choice that was made to have him be kind of Lucas's defender. I

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was surprised by that. I didn't expect it. But yeah, that was great.

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Yeah. So Bruno played by Tom Hodges. So he has like off and on. He does have credits that like mostly I have mostly films, but He has made TV appearances, kind of what you were talking about, like one-offs, two-offs. Some of his other credits, we have Critters 2. This came up in our last episode. It did, yeah. Critters 2, the main course. The main

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course, they eat people.

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Going Overboard. That's a really early Adam Sandler film, right? Is it? I think so. Holy

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cow.

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And I think it might be 80s. I think it's like his one 80s credit.

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Okay. Yeah. Okay. We got an Adam Sandler movie to watch

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from 1989. He must have been so young. He was in the film Steel Magnolias. I remember this because I just, I like as a child, remember the show Valerie. Valerie. With Jason Bateman.

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Yeah.

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So he was on that. More films. We have Heavyweights, Michael, the one with John Travolta, Stigmata, and as mentioned, just here and there, he's popped up in television. Okay. Okay, moving on to... I don't know if we ever catch his name. Maybe we do. Spike.

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Jeremy Piven. I do not remember anyone saying, hey, Spike.

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So... Spike has almost nothing to do in this movie. It's kind of funny that they even make a point of like giving him any screen time because like he doesn't really move the plot along in any meaningful way. He's just another football buddy. But this was his first credit.

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He he's like. So if Bruno is like chaotic evil. Yeah. And Cappy is lawful good. Then Spike would just be like chaotic neutral.

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Yeah.

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He's just chaos.

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I think that that's very accurate. So I think that, look, this film was, I believe, filmed mostly on location in the Chicago suburbs. Yes, it

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was.

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And he is from that area. Um, I mean, I think it's probably pretty well known. Like John Cusack is as well. They were like childhood friends growing up. Still, I think best friends today. I don't know. Okay. Um, Piven comes from an acting family. And so I don't know if like his parents had any pull because of them filming in that area. Um, But maybe he got the role because of that. I have no idea. Okay. But it's kind of funny that this is his first credit because you're not kidding. He looks like he's about 45. I mean,

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I was exaggerating a little bit.

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I'm not. I feel

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like it's more exaggerated or more in your face and like PCU.

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Sure. But he... They... Did a little, not movie magic, they just like framed things in a certain way. But if you catch just momentary glimpses of him in certain scenes, he's already, as men sometimes do, beginning to lose hair.

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Look, happens to the best of us.

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And he's supposed to be a high school student. But in any case. I will say

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defiantly, I had a pretty full head of hair in high school. Things have changed since then. But I mean, that's rough. That's rough. So

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among his credits, I mean, he's had a very notable career as well. Mostly films at the early part of his career, actually. One Crazy Summer. He teams up with his buddy Cusack a lot. They're in a ton of movies together. Cusack with Piven and Cusack with his sister Joan. There's a lot of teaming up. So he's in One Crazy Summer. He does have, I don't think it's an... Big role. But he doesn't say anything. The Grifters, the player Bob Roberts, singles, you just mentioned it, PCU, Miami Rhapsody. Do you remember him in Heat?

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No, I don't.

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He's like the doctor. Dr.

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Bob.

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Yeah. Okay. He is who Robert De Niro takes Val Kilmer to when he gets shot. Oh. Like kind of in the neck area.

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Okay. Okay.

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And he makes him take off his clothes, like switch clothing. Okay. And so he's in that. I don't know how he got that role. Him and Hank Azaria are kind of outliers in that movie. They feel like they're from different worlds. Hank

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Azaria is in one of the greatest scenes

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in the movie. He is, he is.

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When Pacino does the great ass comment and Hank Azaria is just looking like, what the fuck is happening? Look,

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I love Hank Azaria. Jeremy Piven is fine, whatever. But I think what... makes them stand out in maybe not the best way. And that film is, they're acting against some of the best actors of our time. And so it's just kind of like,

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the thing is that like, is Hank Azaria, is that, is that the person that, that Al Pacino's wife is going to like cheat on him?

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Well, it's not Al Pacino's wife. It's Val Kilmer.

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Okay. Well, that makes it even worse. Yes.

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Yes. I know. Val Kilmer or Hank Azaria.

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Yeah.

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With all due respect.

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With all due respect.

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With much respect. But, but, come

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on. Bill Kilmer as that character in Heat. Yeah. Yeah. Way cooler. Nah. Yeah. And so it's just, there are moments throughout that film where you have these amazing actors and then like serviceable actors who just, in any case, I'm going on too long and I'm now beginning to feel bad for the way I'm portraying these people. Okay. Moving back to Jeremy Piven. Yeah. So he also, again, teams up with Cusack for Gross Point Blank. He's in that. And then I do have quite a bit of TV work for him as well. He was on the Larry Sanders show. I never watched Ellen, but I guess he was on it. I didn't know that.

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I didn't know it either. I've heard that she's not that nice.

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I've heard that

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too. Oh, okay.

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He was on a TV show called Cupid. I don't know that either.

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Yeah, I've never watched that, but I, for some reason, remember that he was in that.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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More film work. The Family Man, another Cusack film, Serendipity. Black Hawk Down. Maybe of a certain generation, his most famous role is Old School.

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It's either that or Entourage.

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Entourage. But in old school, he's cheese.

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Dean Pritchard. Oh, yeah. Cheese.

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Cheese. So he's that guy. I mean, he plays that character perfectly. Yeah. Because I feel like that's not too far from, I don't know. In any case, I don't know the guy. But to your other point, yes. He was on Entourage. He plays Ari Gold.

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Mm-hmm.

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So there was first the TV show and then a completely unnecessary film that came afterwards, much like Sex and the City. But they did that. So that's that. And then more recently, Mr. Selfridge, which I think might be a British show because there's no period after Mr. Did you know that they don't do that in... But that's like an American thing.

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I had no idea.

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Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Did I just blow your mind?

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Yeah, I did.

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What? So. What the hell? Yeah. And then Wisdom of the Crowd, which I do remember that was like kind of unceremoniously pulled because there were accusations, unsubstantiated about poor behavior on his part. Oh. In any case. So moving on to, this is the last person I have. Guy Boyd. I had to bring him up because he plays that code.

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yeah he's

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he's only known as coach but he is a very notable character in the film and actually does play a role in terms of like moving the plot ahead because if it were not for him, Lucas would never have been on that field.

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I mean, from the very beginning of the movie when school begins and he's trying to get closer to Maggie and like the, the assembly. And I think it's probably Bruno that like picks him up and puts him on the stage. He kind of like hams it up, clowns around a little bit, but then coach is the one who looks at him. Like, Fucking deadass, like, get the fuck off my stage. He doesn't say it like that, but he

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kind of does. Deadass, get off my stage.

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That would have been amazing if he had said that.

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He is probably the character that's most of a, like, a caricature in this film.

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Yeah.

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And he... It's interesting because, you know, at the end of the movie, you know, spoilers. I mean, I'm curious how many people know the storyline of Lucas because I don't think it's like a very... popular movie? I don't know. Maybe I just don't have a good sense of

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how well-known it is. I don't think it is. Look, the only reason we were able to watch it is because we have a physical copy. It's not available on any streamers right now.

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I think recently it was, though, because I know I put it on not too long ago. Yeah,

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they just

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moved it or something? I think they pulled it recently. It's not as

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easily found as some other movies.

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No, it's not. And I guess really... Well, we'll get to the synopsis in a second. But Coach... Would have gotten, I think, in some real trouble in real life if he had done what he did, which is let somebody who has no football background, isn't even on the team, hasn't signed any safety waivers, nothing. The

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great thing about that was the confrontation when the coach calls Lucas a little pissant, and Lucas... basically says, look, you're a second-rate coach on a third-rate team. Who's the pissant?

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Yeah.

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And I think he pisses him off so much, the coach is like, fine, go out there and get yourself killed. But

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he doesn't actually think he's going to go and get himself killed.

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No, he probably doesn't think anything's

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going to happen. And he does try to pull him after a couple plays. He

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does. He tries to pull him, but he won't come out off the field. He's running around. People are trying to catch him. The refs are like, no, you can't do that. You

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can't call timeout. The refs are real about the rules of the game. You got no more timeouts.

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My My favorite fun fact about this is that on that last play of the game, when everyone's like, throw it to Lucas, and the coach is doing that motion to make a catch, he was an ineligible receiver because he was wearing the number 72, which is limited to offensive and defensive linemen. He didn't make the catch, but if he had, you know those refs would have been like... Fucking throwing the

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flag down. All you need to do is grab a jersey from the locker room. I don't think the refs

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are going to buy that as an excuse.

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In any case, Guy Boyd, he has had a number of different... credits that are interesting i don't remember him from ghost story but he's in that film

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well well to keep an eye out for him

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yeah yeah because i do really love that movie yeah he's in the film body double i had to put this in it's a tv movie but he's in the ewok adventure

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oh Oh, yeah. I remember seeing that thinking like, what is this?

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Jagged Edge, The Dark Side of the Sun, a TV show called- What? The Dark Side. Oh, you know why I put that in? I think I put in The Dark Side of the Sun. I think that might be like Brad Pitt's first credit. Okay. Or like a really early one for him. He was in the TV series Black Scorpion. This is more recently. He's in the film I'm Thinking of Ending Things.

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Oh.

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I think that was a Charlie Kaufman film. He was on the TV show American Rust, which I think just got canceled. I think I just saw that. And then just has had other TV appearances.

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One episode of the old original 1990 Quantum Leap. Okay,

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film synopsis. What do we got? A socially inept 14-year-old experiences heartbreak for the first time when his two best friends, Cappy, an older brother figure, and Maggie, the new girl with whom he is in love, fall for each other.

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Yeah, that works for me. There's more going on, but that like, you know.

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I would not call Cappy one of his best friends.

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He's not. He's not. He's not. He looks out for him.

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Ben is more of a best friend.

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Yes, that's fair. Okay, that's a good point.

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So it's like a little inaccurate, but generally speaking, I mean, I want to jump back to what we were talking about before in terms of like the characters making interesting choices. I mean, each of them, I brought this up. We already talked about Maggie in terms of her being not too subtle about her pursuit of Cappy, although he's very receptive to it. Yeah. But I do feel bad for Elise. Elise? Elise. Elise. Yeah. And that one scene where Maggie, so she makes the cheerleading team as well, and she goes to get herself like some water or Gatorade or something. And Elise is just straight up staring her down.

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Daggers.

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She deserved that. She did. She did deserve that. I don't hate Maggie at all. And Maggie is a really interesting figure because she makes kind of these advances with Cappy. Again, he is very receptive to it. So they start dating. But then she also has this like incredible patience and graciousness with Lucas.

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Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the difference in like Lucas makes a big deal out of their age difference not being a big deal. Right. But I think particularly like when you're like when you're high school age, like those differences are huge.

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Oh,

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yeah. And so I just think she always saw him as, like, this little kid that was, like, quirky and smart and kind of, like, a good guy and, like, thought of him as a friend.

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Yeah.

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So I...

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But he gets to a point where, look, crushes are crushes. Yeah. Heart ones with the heart ones, whatever. But he does cross the line, I feel, with her. In terms of almost, like, demanding her. That they date.

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He starts getting kind of possessive.

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Yes. He crosses boundaries. Yeah. I appreciate so much that she speaks to that. Like when she's kind of forced into this double date with Cappy and Elise. And once they walk away, she's like, when did I agree to go to this dance with you?

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Yeah.

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And he's like, oh, well, like he kind of plays it off. And I'm like, no, she's absolutely right. Like I know that terms like consent work. That was not a term back then in terms of like the way that we approach relationships.

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Yeah.

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But I do appreciate that she brought that up and she stuck up for herself on numerous occasions. But the point is that she shouldn't have had to stuck up for herself on numerous occasions. He just kept pushing.

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Well, she shouldn't have had to. But also, like, if we're accepting that this is his first crush. That's part of him learning how to navigate all of that, too. That's true. He doesn't know how to get through any of this.

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You're absolutely right, but he is a smart kid. And I feel like he just was being intentionally oblivious to... how she was treating him and her being crystal clear. She never, I think, sent him mixed signals.

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It would have been a very different movie if he had just been like, okay, that's fair,

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credits. I know, I know, I know, I know. It's just that it makes her an interesting character because then there is nuance to his character, her character. They both do things that... I don't know if I agree with, but they're still good people. Like, they're flawed people, but good people. Yeah. Cappy is a really interesting character because when she talks about how, you know, the scene in the laundry room. That went on

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for a long time.

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I was thinking about that the entire time we were watching it. I was like, they would never let a scene like that breathe nowadays.

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Yeah.

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That scene would have been 30 seconds.

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Yeah.

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I don't know

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if the high school would have been like, hey, why don't you go down half naked and just spend the rest of this period down in the laundry room? All right. Later, kids.

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They're real loosey goosey with the kids going wherever they want to go during

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school. Even for the 80s, I feel like there would have been a

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little bit of oversight. Yeah.

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So.

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Yeah, it's during that scene that they talk about the relationship between Cappy and Lucas.

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Yeah.

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And he's like, yeah, I don't know why he is the way he is with me. And she's like, because you're nice to him. And he's like, but I wasn't always that way. Yeah. And we learned that... when he got sick for a while, which I'm like, why did they say he had hepatitis? Like, just say he had mono or something. Yeah, it's

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a

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little

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about

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hepatitis. Yeah, I was like, what a weird thing to bring up. That, you know, Luke has brought his books by, which also is so funny to me, because it's like, how many books do you have that he has to keep bringing your books by? Like, you wouldn't have to be continually, you just bring them the one time.

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What?

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In any case. So that is what made Cappy kind of change his mind about Lucas. And I, again, think that's one of the more interesting depictions of a teenage character in a film from this era.

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Yeah.

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Where he really goes against stereotype.

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No, the craziest thing about his character was how crazy his character was not. Yes. Like, he was pretty, like, even keeled. Yep. Like, he... Obviously, like, felt an attraction to Maggie. And, you know, a three-year relationship in high school is, like, forever. Forever. For, like, a high school kid. So, you know, like, there wasn't necessarily, like, cheating, I don't think. He broke things off. Yeah. With Elise, who... didn't really do anything wrong, but they kind of went out of their way to make her seem a little bit less sympathetic. So we wouldn't care as much about that.

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They did. Yeah. I think that like most notably the scene where we're, we're not with them in the car, we just hear voiceover, but it's like, he's dropping her off and she's like, I don't want you to talk to her. I don't want you to see her. And

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as soon as she said that, I'm like, Oh,

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Yeah. Well, they're breaking up. Exactly. Exactly. So they do make a point of trying to make her seem... And she is also depicted without a lot of nuance. Like when they're all... It's like 15 people. It's like a clown car at one point. And then they start getting hit with the cicada, which I want to talk about cicadas. Yeah. The cicada... The

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locust, they call them.

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Yeah, they do call them locusts. But... I think they do. Personally, I think they call him Locus because of Lucas. Like, I think that that's like the play on the words.

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Okay.

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But I am not an expert in these things, but I'm pretty sure they were talking about cicadas the whole time.

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Okay.

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But to get back to my point, it's during that scene that... Elise gets a cicada, locust, whatever, in her hair, and she flips the fuck out.

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She goes crazy.

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She goes crazy, and it's Maggie who calms her down and also gets the bug without being grossed out about it.

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Well, I got bad news for you.

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What?

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Locusts are a bit smaller and have a slim, straight body with big hind legs for leaping. Cicadas are known for the distinctive loud sound they make.

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Yeah, so they're cicadas. I think they're misnaming them in the film. That's fair. That's my personal opinion.

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I believe you.

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And I say this as somebody who literally grew up in that area and have firsthand experience both with the 13-year cicadas and the 17-year cicadas.

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Yeah, I didn't know about the year. I felt like we got them... More frequently than that, in Arizona, where you'd hear the really crazy loud noises from them. I

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mean, look, I don't know how many species there are of cicadas, but I'm sure there aren't only 13-year and 17-year cicadas. It's just that... I

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need some overlap here. There's got to be something.

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So there's a 13-year cicada. It's a species that spends most of its life underground. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, same thing. It emerges from the ground. It lives for four to six more weeks. And this is the summer where I don't know if it's the 17-year cicada or the 13-year cicada, but it's like happening in the Midwest.

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Okay, in

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the movie. In the movie, but also right now.

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Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. It's this year. Okay.

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Yeah. It's for sure the 13-year cicada. And sometimes I'm guessing there will be overlap every once in a while between 17 and 13. But I was in Chicago and... the last time the 13 year cicadas emerged and it was awesome. Okay. I love them. Okay. I think they're beautiful and they don't weird me out. And I think they're so cool.

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You're a Maggie, not an Elise.

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I'm a Maggie, but, uh, so I'm actually like missing the fact that I don't get to see them this year.

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Okay. I'm sorry.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Maybe there's like a cicada cam

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someplace. Cicada cam. Maybe there is. Yeah. So you were going to bring somebody else up, though.

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Yeah. We talked about the coach. There was an assistant coach played by Gary Cole.

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Oh.

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And he whatever line he had was actually dubbed over with someone else's voice. So he like if you look for him, you'll probably see him. But if you hear him, you would not recognize

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him. Gary Cole, who plays Mr. Brady in the Brady Bunch movie, right? And then he's also in...

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He's in Dodgeball. He's Lumberg from Office Space. He was in Pineapple Express. Okay. Yeah. He was in Veep, right? Or was

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he not? Maybe? Probably? Which also is getting a resurgence right now. Yeah. But just to get back to the story of this film, I... It's a very subdued film in a lot of ways. You're right. The end is kind of absurd because I feel like even for the 80s, they just would never have allowed him on the field.

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No, that's where they just... Yeah, it just goes crazy. I mean, they did that because they needed to show that even though he's like this little runt of a kid, that he... you know, did something really courageous. He did something really brave. And that's what led to the slow clap.

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Stupid.

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Yes. It's crazy how often those go hand in hand.

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I mean, it's, it's the most outrageous part of the film. It kind of had to happen because they have to have some kind of like ultimate conflict and resolution to it. I think though that overall it's, it's a really sweet film. I think it does do a really great job of depicting what it's like to be to be kind of like obsessed with somebody and like, what do you do when they just don't feel the same way and how you handle it or can't handle it.

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Yeah.

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As a young person. I

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don't know. Like I, I know I've seen it before when I was a kid, but it's not a movie that I've seen like multiple times.

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Yeah.

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And I'm, I feel really confident that the way I watched it, you know, a couple of days ago that my feelings towards like the characters probably different than I would have felt watching it as a kid.

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Oh, how do you think you would have felt as a kid?

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Well, because now you have all that experience. Sure. That kind of like informs like how you're watching

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this movie. Yeah, I'm probably being too hard on Lucas and too hard on Maggie for that matter. But it's, yeah, you're absolutely right. I think that, yeah, it's interesting. I do just remember seeing this film as a kid. It stuck with me this entire time. I still love it as much as I did then. I don't know how much my feelings have changed on it. I just think it's a really sweet film.

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Yeah, I don't know. They probably have. I'm guessing that my feelings would have changed on it, but because I don't remember the first time I saw it. Sure. You know, yesterday it felt like watching it for the first time, but I know that I've seen it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:54

So based on that, is this a film that you would watch again?

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Yeah, probably. I mean, there were parts of it. Because I didn't know where it was going, it felt even cringier because you're not really sure where it's

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all going to land. I was intentionally not saying what was going to happen next.

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Yeah. I mean, some of the stuff you can predict only because themes... Right. Yeah. Yeah. You know, being a...

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An awkward kid.

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Being an awkward kid in high school.

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Well, call to action. I mean, I'm... The thing I'm most curious about is just how... familiar this film is to other people I really don't know I can't say with any objectivity because this just happened to be a film that was on my radar since I was a kid and I'm not sure how familiar people are with it but I would love to know do you have any Yeah,

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I just, if anyone can identify the topical solution that they use, the topical cream that they use to...

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Is it not just like Icy Hot?

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I don't, it seemed like a very intense version of it. It seemed like if there was a version of Icy Hot called Just the Hot.

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Just the Hot.

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Maybe that was it. Alternatively, how many people... Like what's the craziest thing you did to try to impress your high school crush?

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Oh, that's a really good one. Because

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Lucas kind of like almost got killed on a football field. So that would be my question is what's the craziest thing you did to impress your high school crush?

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What's the craziest thing you did to impress your high school crush? I can't remember. I mean, mine was a big fat nothing because I just didn't.

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So you know how deathly afraid I am of dance in general. Oh, sure. Right. And I kind of confronted those fears at a recent wedding that we went

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to.

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But so I actually went to like a high school dance for like a high school crush and it did not work out well.

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I have a kind of... It was

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very Lucas-esque.

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I think my story is from junior high, though. I remember being at a dance, and I had certain... I don't want to give away any identifying information, but I had certain feelings. Well, our

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first and last names are on...

SPEAKER_01 1:16:45

Well, I mean about the other people. Well, yeah, that's true. So I had certain feelings about somebody, and... During the dance. So like, okay, everybody's probably familiar with the term like Sadie Hawkins.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:56

It wasn't a Sadie Hawkins dance, but they were having a Sadie Hawkins song. I mean, it shows you how backwards things, where they're like, oh, girls, you can ask the guy to dance, you know?

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And so I remember like, okay, I'm going to do it. Do it. And so I like stepped up. Yeah. And just really the timing of it could not have been any worse because like as I was literally asking this guy to dance with me, Another girl got his attention just like milliseconds before me. And so he stepped away and I'm literally left kind of hanging. And I just really quickly grabbed another guy who we were like kind of friends and just danced with him. So. Okay. I mean, I was mortified. I have no idea if anybody even noticed, but I was mortified. And obviously to this day, it still is part of my memory. Yeah. What a, what a. Brutal time. As far as like dating, yeah. Yeah, it was a brutal time, especially when you just didn't date. So in any case.

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All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:04

If you want to reach out. All right, moving on. But then I found you. Just several decades later. Just several decades later. Yeah. Reach out to us through Facebook. Zitter is the way I'm going to call it now.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:22

Yeah, Zitter. Zitter or Zitter.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:25

I'm saying it incorrectly because X does not sound like a Z, but I'm just calling it Zitter. And Instagram, it's the same handle for all three. It's at 80s Montage Pod and 80s is 80S. All right. Derek. Yeah. Derek, Derek, Derek.

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Ah, ah, ah. It's not the way it goes, but Derek, Derek, Derek.

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Have we...

SPEAKER_02 1:18:46

Have we seriously not covered Friday the 13th? Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:49

No, it's the beginning of our Halloween series. Amazing. I'm so excited. So we're going

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to do the first Friday the 13th. That's... Correct. What was it? 1980? Right on the dot?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:59

Right on the dot. Okay. Yep. 1980. And so the reason why we're... Well, first of all, long overdue. It's season five and we haven't done any Friday the 13th movies yet. Yeah. So you got to start at the beginning. Of course. That makes sense. You have to with this franchise because of... where it goes. But also in this particular year, our year of the Lord 2024, Friday the 13th is in September. Okay. So we always start our Halloween series. It is what we do for September and October.

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And

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so this is it. This is us kicking it off. I'm so excited. I'm so

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excited to cover this first movie with this character, Jason, that doesn't actually, it's not really in it in the first one.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:45

He's like literally in the last two seconds.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:47

Yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:49

And yes, but that's why you have to start with the, well, look, with most franchises, you should start with the first film. It's true. But this one is like a fascinating first movie of a franchise and where it ultimately goes.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:04

Yeah, no, I mean, we get from the kid basically just popping up out of the water at the very end to Jason in space.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:10

Yeah, yeah. Which, honestly, fun time.

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My favorite one.

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Fun time. Jason X. So until we kick off our Halloween series, just want to say thank you to everybody for taking the time and making the choice to listen to our podcast. And we know you have a ton of choices. It is a choice. It is a choice. So thank you. And we will talk to you again in two weeks' time.