'80s Movie Montage
Breaking down our favorite decade of flicks. Hosted by Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke.
'80s Movie Montage
Friday the 13th
It's the first episode of this year's Halloween Series! In this episode, Anna and Derek discuss Friday the 13th (1980), the slasher that kicked off one of the most famous horror film franchises of all time.
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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.
Steve should never have opened this place again. There's been too much trouble here. Did you know that a young boy drowned the year before those two others were killed? The counselors weren't paying any attention. They were making love while that young boy drowned. His name was Jason.
SPEAKER_03:Hello and welcome to 80s Movie Montage. This is Derek.
SPEAKER_01:And this is Anna.
SPEAKER_03:And that was Pammy, otherwise known as Mrs. Voorhees, Pamela Voorhees. Yes. Talking to Alice and giving just like a nice little
SPEAKER_01:story. Nice little exposition.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. In 1980s Friday the 13th.
SPEAKER_01:Woohoo! Friday the 13th. It's the beginning of our Halloween series.
SPEAKER_03:It is. Why not start Halloween in August?
SPEAKER_01:Well, as far as the purposes of the recording, but this won't drop until September. What? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So, but no, this is my favorite time of year.
SPEAKER_03:Well, just so the listeners know, we've already started Halloween season.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, sure.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, we went to go see a horror film, so that I guess counts.
SPEAKER_03:That does. That's true.
UNKNOWN:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It's a big part of it. And what was that film? Alien Romulus. There you go. Yeah,
SPEAKER_01:it was great. You've had a lot of fun talking about that one. Friday the 13th, I'm super excited to finally cover this film. I
SPEAKER_03:can't believe we haven't talked about it yet.
SPEAKER_01:And, you know, we're always free to change our minds, but we were talking about maybe now every Halloween series will maybe cover the next one in the series. How many do we have?
UNKNOWN:Three.
SPEAKER_01:As far as like eighties? Yeah. Friday through, uh, eight of them. Okay. So
SPEAKER_03:that's enough.
SPEAKER_01:That's enough. Uh, if we were doing this podcast for another eight years, that'd be it. That'd be amazing. That'd be quite the accomplishment. I'd be proud of that. I wonder how long is the longest podcast that's out there right now.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know, but I think it's not fair that you stole my call to action. You steal
SPEAKER_01:my calls to action all the time. In any case, Friday the 13th, I think one of my favorite parts about that clip, not only the pretty egregious... exposition dump.
SPEAKER_03:We need an explanation though because so much of that movie I'm like why are they doing that? What's happening?
SPEAKER_01:But where she's like they were making love. Like she's so dramatic about the way she says it. I mean if
SPEAKER_03:that was I don't know what they did in the remake because the remake is super confusing because it's got like a fucking picture of Jason on
SPEAKER_01:the cover. Yeah I think they just dive right into Jason being the killer.
SPEAKER_03:But I imagine if Mrs. Voorhees was around in like the remake she'd be like my kid was swimming and they were totally fucking. I
SPEAKER_01:mean, it's interesting because... The lore of this franchise, literally from one movie to the next, changes dramatically. It's a really interesting franchise. It sure is. They just literally like, yeah, we'll just do this this time. There's
SPEAKER_03:zombies, there's hell, there's androids, there's Freddy Krueger. There's
SPEAKER_01:everything. It's a
SPEAKER_03:little bit of everything for everyone.
SPEAKER_01:But we're going to start at the beginning.
SPEAKER_03:Let's do it.
SPEAKER_01:The very first film. So yeah, I think you mentioned 1980, so we just got it in, and this is definitely I mean, we'll probably touch on this more than once, but this is definitely writing what is at this point still relatively new, but like the slasher subgenre of horror film. And, you know, the person who is behind this film and really has like, I think in large part stayed with the franchisor, at least has like been grandfathered into all the credits for all the subsequent films, Sean S. Cunningham. We'll get to him in a second. But he makes... He does not hide the fact at all that this was like pretty much a ripoff of Halloween. But this is what I thought was really interesting. I read that essentially what this film was supposed to be was a mashup of Halloween and meatballs. I could see that. Because that was another film that did so well.
SPEAKER_03:I could see that.
SPEAKER_01:So with like the camp and the kids and everything.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Are you ready for the summer?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Are you ready for the summer? Two Headed Meatballs is a 70s film, so we can't do that. It's a great movie. Wah, wah. Wah, wah. Okay. Writers. Did
SPEAKER_03:someone write this movie?
SPEAKER_01:Somebody did write this movie. I thought it just, like,
SPEAKER_03:manifested. I
SPEAKER_01:mean, if you... I'm pretty sure this is one of the films covered in the movies that made us.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah,
SPEAKER_01:it could be. On Netflix. And, like, most of the films that are covered in that... I wish they would have kept up with that, because I thought that was such an interesting docuseries. It was. All the movies they cover, like, almost didn't happen because of a bazillion things going wrong.
SPEAKER_03:Everything.
SPEAKER_01:Never enough money. Like, all that stuff. So... But yeah, I think a lot of it was a little bit flying by the seat of their pants. But we have two writers. One technically is uncredited. I don't see that
SPEAKER_03:as often for the writers.
SPEAKER_01:I do. Although I don't really know. I retract what I just said. I don't really know what. We'll get to him in a second. But the guy who's uncredited goes on to have other credits for the other films. So I feel like he kind of helped out with this film and then took over. A few of the subsequent like earlier sequels. Okay. So in any case, Victor Miller is our first writer. And of his like almost 50 current credits, 34 of them tie back to the Friday the 13th franchise. So I'm not going to go through every single one of those films. But to go over his career highlights, we have a 1977 film called The Black Pearl.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, was it about pirates?
SPEAKER_01:About Captain Jack? Yeah. I don't think so.
SPEAKER_03:But you have heard of him.
SPEAKER_01:Another ripoff, Here Come the Tigers.
SPEAKER_03:Has nothing to do with baseball.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it does.
SPEAKER_03:Does it?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's a ripoff of Bad News Bears. What? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I should have said it's got nothing to do with the actual Detroit Tigers, does it?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, no. I think it's like Little League. I don't know a lot about it. I just know that it's like another blatant ripoff of another film. So as far as his credits, of the major ones with this particular franchise, he has basically a character credit for almost all of the subsequent films. It's weird that there's one film in particular he's not part of or doesn't have a credit for. I don't know if that's an oversight, but he has a credit for part two, part three, the final chapter, a new beginning, Jason lives, new blood, Jason takes Manhattan. He doesn't have... So the one that he doesn't have a credit for is Jason goes to hell. Oh, yeah. So that's kind of interesting. I don't know if... But then he does have a credit for Jason X and Freddy versus Jason as well as the reboot. So it's like... This one outlier, but the rest.
SPEAKER_03:Jason Goes to Hell is like a million dollar title with a 10 cent story.
SPEAKER_01:I was very disappointed in that
SPEAKER_03:film. And my expectations are not
SPEAKER_01:high. Are not high. So here's what I love, absolutely love about this guy's career. So he is tied to this like, you know, maybe the second most famous horror franchise, I would say. After a Halloween franchise?
SPEAKER_03:It's neck and neck. I don't even know if I can say that one is necessarily ahead of the other.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Because there's Halloween, Friday the 13th, A Nightmare on Elm Street.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:More recently, there's The Conjuring Universe, things like that, which actually I think dollar-wise has actually superseded all of these other franchises. I
SPEAKER_03:believe that.
SPEAKER_01:But in any case... Outside of that, he also has been a huge writer on all these daytime soap operas.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, well, I mean, look, that makes
SPEAKER_01:sense. It's hilarious. He has writing credits for Another World, Guiding Light, General Hospital, All My Children. It's so funny.
SPEAKER_03:It's all the same storylines with just less bloodshed.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's still very dramatic and completely unbelievable. But I just think that that is hilarious that he has those two, that dichotomy And then another credit for him, a stranger is watching.
SPEAKER_03:Do you think they'd have like a, in an episode of all my children, just in like the corner somewhere, a hockey mask? They totally should. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, maybe I don't follow the soap operas, but maybe they did in some really, really obscure way, like just only the most observant of watchers would have even noticed. I mean, I don't
SPEAKER_03:need one of the characters to walk up wearing it, although I wouldn't be mad about that.
SPEAKER_01:I just think that that's great, and I think actually that's a great idea. They should totally do that. They'd get more fans.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so the other writer who right now is uncredited for this first film.
SPEAKER_03:If he's uncredited now, he might be like that
SPEAKER_01:forever. Uncredited forever. Ron Kurtz, so of his 20-something current credits, 17 of them tie back to the Friday the 13th franchise. Okay. So some of them include part two, part three, the final chapter, and then another one of his credits. Because... Almost all his credits tied back to the franchise. The other notable one that I listed was a film called Off the Wall.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:But that's all I got for him. But moving on to the director who, I think he also produced this film. He was the guiding force behind this film. It all started with the title. He was just like, oh, you know what's a great title for a movie? Friday the 13th. And he pretty much- Nailed it. Leveraged that title to get funding. Yeah. Like, he didn't even really have a story or anything. He had nothing in place. He just literally had a title. But he was able to leverage that successfully. I think what I read is that... Now, pardon me for not remembering the name of the... financier who first approached him. But at first the guy was like, I'll put up a fourth of the money. And he's like, great. And then he was like looking for other people to help finance the movie. And then the guy's like, I'll just put it all up. So I think that that's how that all came together. Do
SPEAKER_03:you know what the overall total budget for the film was?
SPEAKER_01:Um, I'm going to guess about two to 300 grand.
SPEAKER_03:It was more than, I mean, for 1980, I feel like the total budget. 500? 550. 550, yeah. And domestic box office of just under 40 million. That's not bad. With a worldwide gross of 60 million. Not bad. That's a pretty good return. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's a really good return. So, Shaughness Cunningham, he does have more producing credits than straight up directing credits, especially for this franchise. So, that's what I was kind of noting when we first started, that he's stuck with this franchise um i think in large part for all the other films and then also his other really notable franchise which we just watched the first movie a couple weeks ago house
SPEAKER_03:oh my god that movie is so fucking weird
SPEAKER_01:he's behind that franchise that's a franchise like i think there's
SPEAKER_03:well four films because we we saw the trailer for house two
SPEAKER_01:the second story Best sequel title of all time. And it
SPEAKER_03:looks like, because House was like really goofy at parts. Very much so. It had George Wendt, Norm from Cheers. And it kind of felt like it was Norm.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:As this guy's neighbor.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:And there were so many goofy elements and he thought, oh, okay, I wonder
SPEAKER_01:what the sequel. But then he's like a Vietnam vet with PTSD.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And he has like a missing child. Like it's all these really random elements. And then he's also a horror writer. Like it's such a random assortment of things put together to make this
SPEAKER_03:story. And all of that stuff. Act is being portrayed by the greatest American hero guy. Yeah. Which makes it somehow way better.
SPEAKER_01:But you know, he, I mean, this isn't a podcast about that guy's career. It's literally
SPEAKER_03:a podcast about none of the things that we're
SPEAKER_01:talking about. If you want to hear anything about his career, go check out our baby Secret of the Lost Legend. There you go. Episode, because it's on that. But like he does, he flips a lot because he also was in Carrie. So he kind of started out in horror. Yeah. And yeah,
SPEAKER_03:I mean, I don't know why I always identify him as the greatest American hero. And he's he was in way more. I mean, he was in like Perry Mason. He was in a ton of stuff. Ton of stuff. But that's just always what I identify him with. House two, by the way, the trailer looks amazing. Bonkers compared to House 1. I've
SPEAKER_01:heard it.
SPEAKER_03:The first story. Super bonkers.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, but getting back to Sean S. Cunningham, the producer on that franchise, as far as strictly speaking directing credits, some of the more notable ones that I have, so he directed Here Come the Tigers. the little league ripoff
SPEAKER_03:but it's not about oh no it is about baseball okay
SPEAKER_01:he also did direct a stranger's watching uh the film spring break i think that was like the other big thing that was happening in the 80s was like teenage hijinks screwball sex comedies
SPEAKER_04:yeah
SPEAKER_01:so he directed that and then i just thought this was an interesting title the nurse with the purple hair
SPEAKER_07:hmm
SPEAKER_01:So there you go. I mean, he'll probably come up in conversation because he's such a driving force behind this film. But moving on to cinematography, a gentleman by the name of Barry Abrams, he only has seven total credits. And that's actually, whether these people are in front of the camera or behind the camera, that will be a little bit of a recurrent theme for this episode with people who have pretty... abbreviated careers in entertainment, at least as far as IMDB credits are concerned. But amongst some of his other credits, we have Hollywood on Trial. He shot Here Come the Tigers.
SPEAKER_03:Jesus
SPEAKER_01:Christ.
SPEAKER_03:There's always one, right? There's
SPEAKER_01:always one that just always pops up. These guys, yeah, they work together. He shot Manny's Orphans, The Children, and then he shot A Stranger is Watching. So a couple of collaborations.
UNKNOWN:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, I thought for sure, for sure we had covered this guy before, but we haven't. And I feel bad because I'm wondering if the reason why I thought that is because his name is so close to, what is it, Henry Mancini? Oh. But it's Harry Manfredini? It
SPEAKER_03:is,
SPEAKER_01:yeah,
SPEAKER_03:yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And he is the composer.
SPEAKER_03:Mancini was for...
SPEAKER_01:Like Breakfast at Tiffany's, I think, and... Pink Panther? Yeah. Yes, I think he did that too. But this gentleman, I mean, what a career. He's 81 years old, still going strong. And he has had like, he has some super fun credits to his name. I'm in a way kind of shocked. I mean, probably at some point we'll do House. So I just kind of revealed that he's also part of that franchise.
SPEAKER_03:We should do it. It was crazy. It'd be fun.
SPEAKER_01:So Harry Manfredini, if I'm saying that correctly, again, composer on this film. I mean, you know the...
SPEAKER_03:That's his voice, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy.
SPEAKER_01:And I'm sure anybody who's even like a mild horror fan probably already knows this, but what that... It's like kill, kill, kill, mom, mom, mom. Like that's what it's supposed to.
SPEAKER_03:Is that when like Mrs. Voorhees starts trying to talk like she's Jason?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's pretty creepy. A little
SPEAKER_03:psycho-ish.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's like reverse psycho.
SPEAKER_03:Reverse psycho.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Which should be like stable mental health.
SPEAKER_01:So among his credits, you're going to start laughing, he composed for Here Come the Tigers. Come on!
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We're going to have to just watch it at some point.
SPEAKER_03:That's what we should do is every time we cover a movie
SPEAKER_01:and there's just like one random. Yeah, I agree. He composed for the children. So he is very strongly attached to this entire franchise. I don't know the particulars of how involved he was with every successive film. If they're just like, we're just going to keep using your score. It's just his voice. Yeah. And like, and I don't know if they, you know, brought him in to do little, whatever upgrades tweaks to the score for each successive film, or they're just like, no, you're getting grandfathered in because you originated the music. But among his credits for this franchise, is it like everything almost part two, part three, final chapter, new beginning, uh, Jason Lives, New Blood. He does have a credit for Jason Goes to Hell, unlike that other guy. Jason X, and that's where we stop. So he doesn't have a credit for that reboot. But he also worked with Cunningham on House, so he has all those credits. Okay. So he composed for the original House 2, the second story, House 3, the horror show, and House 4.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it looks like we could cover the first three. I don't know where House 4 is. I think that would be enough.
SPEAKER_01:I think we'd be real good. Are you sure, though? I don't know if we need to do all four House movies. If anything, I would say one and two.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, I mean, we're going to cover eight of these Friday the 13th movies, probably. Possibly.
SPEAKER_01:Possibly we will. He also composed for The Omega Code, the Anna Nicole Smith story. He has some really interesting other... I mean, I guess they're kind of franchises. So there's like a series. I don't know anything about the series, but the series is 1313. Yeah,
SPEAKER_03:there's a lot of stuff showing up for that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so in total, there's 13 of these videos. And
SPEAKER_03:it's called what?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, right? 1313.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, my God.
SPEAKER_01:It has to be some kind of a ripoff of Friday the 13th, I would assume, because of the subtitles. It's like 1313, Wicked Stepbrother, 1313, Actor Slash Model, which I think is a hilarious title. Actor Slash, like the word slash model. I think that's amazing. 1313, Boy Crazies, Giant Killer Bees, and Haunted Frat, which I would watch that.
SPEAKER_03:Giant Killer Bees sounds cool.
SPEAKER_01:I think haunted frat sounds hilarious. I really would love to know what that's about. So they're all like, I think straight to video and it technically it's like an uncredited credit. So again, I think it must be kind of a spoof of some sort, something. I don't know. I didn't do a deep dive here, but another one, um, And these are all funny because it's like a film called A Talking Cat? Exclamation point, question mark, exclamation point. And then A Talking Pony? Exclamation point, question mark, exclamation point. I can't. It's really hard to say a lot. And they're like uncredited credits, but they're all part of the same. And then My Stepbrother is a Vampire? Exclamation mark, question mark, exclamation mark. And then there's another, I mean, franchise. I saw like two films. It's 666. Hmm. So 666 colon Creepy Carrie.
SPEAKER_03:Creepy Carrie. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And then 666 Teen Warlock. So he has his hand heavy into horror.
SPEAKER_03:Teen Warlock is up to no good. I'm just sure of
SPEAKER_01:it. I'm sure. He did a film called The Exorcists, plural.
SPEAKER_03:Exorcists?
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And Monster Mash.
UNKNOWN:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Like the song?
SPEAKER_01:Such a fun... I mean, it's not the song, but it's a film with the same name. But yeah, super fun career. And I just feel like given the projects he takes, he's just having a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I hope so.
SPEAKER_01:I hope so. Okay, moving on to film editing, Bill Frieda. Again, not a ton of credits. 11 total. What I wrote down are all films for him. Nothing that I'm really familiar with, but a 1968 film called The Speed Lovers.
SPEAKER_03:The Speed Lovers?
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Then he took a break of like about a dozen years. And then like his next credit is Love in a Taxi.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Agent on Ice. And The Watchers. And we're already at the stars of the film.
SPEAKER_03:Amazing.
SPEAKER_01:Amazing. We flew through that. Okay. So I am going to start with... All of the, I guess you would say, camp counselors
SPEAKER_03:is
SPEAKER_01:what I guess they are. Yeah,
SPEAKER_03:because top billing is not a camp counselor.
SPEAKER_01:No, I'm leaving her to the end. That's fair. Not to be disrespectful, but because it's like in the same way that the big reveal at the end of the movie. I'm just going to bring her up at the end. Okay. Okay, so we're going to start with Adrienne King. So she plays Alice. Alice is the one that, what did you say kind of haircut she had?
SPEAKER_03:Haley Joel Osment.
SPEAKER_01:Haley Joel Osment.
SPEAKER_03:And
SPEAKER_01:I said the kid from Eight is Enough. But, I mean, that was like 80s hair. Yeah,
SPEAKER_03:yeah. It's fine, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So, she is our final girl. And she is also the most kind of like... Well, you know what? I was about to say the most composed, but I think I take that back. She got real bent out of shape over the snake. She's just like a normal... I don't know if they're supposed to be teenagers. I'm going to say maybe early 20s.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean, she's the most... Well, I guess composed is relative with respect to the other counselors. Correct. All like, you know... It's like this Motley Crue where everyone's got a thing. Everyone's got a gimmick. There's the one jokester guy. Ugh,
SPEAKER_01:Ned.
SPEAKER_03:We're all robbed the opportunity to see him die. We just
SPEAKER_01:see him dead. Yes, right?
SPEAKER_03:But there's no one in this movie that I wanted to see get killed more than him.
SPEAKER_01:It is interesting. There's like a couple off-screen kills and then a couple really... I take that to mean it all came down to budget. They're like, we only can do so many
SPEAKER_03:kills.
SPEAKER_01:So, you know.
SPEAKER_03:That's probably right. We have this guy. We know you all hate him. We're just going to show that he's dead.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:We'll have
SPEAKER_01:to move on. And also, you know what? It's fine because like, although I want to say at that point, Annie has already died and we saw her get chased and we saw her get her throat slit. She didn't even make it to Camp Crystal Lake.
SPEAKER_03:Which I think is a little unfair. And it's like, what are you doing Voorhees? Why? Yeah,
SPEAKER_01:I mean... What are you so
SPEAKER_03:upset about? You're just killing someone on their way there.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, she made a point of saying she wanted to work with children. I thought that was really nice. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, a mother's scorn? I don't know. In any case, Ned, maybe... I'm probably just, like, trying to make this work, but maybe it works that his kill was offscreen because while we've already seen a kill, we haven't seen a kill at the camp
SPEAKER_02:yet.
SPEAKER_01:And so... it is a little shocking to, you know, they're making out and then they pan up and he's dead on the bunk above them or whatever.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And you always need like the, the dead body for the others to find and freak out about so they can turn around and get killed themselves.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah. So Adrian King. So here's, here's the thing. Uh, this is really unfortunate, but you know, this film to your point a couple minutes ago about what it grossed did really well.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Hugely popular, obviously. But as a kind of a side effect of that fame, she was stalked by like, I mean, it's a really generic way to say it, but like basically like a crazed fan. And it really impacted her life and her desire to keep acting because she didn't really want to be in the public eye. So her... Filmography is relatively brief. She has come back like kind of in her later career, like
SPEAKER_03:30 years after the sequel to 13.
SPEAKER_01:And basically with the sequel, she told producers and I guess they were accommodating of her request. I think maybe contractually she was necessitated to be in the film, but she's like, please just give me the least amount of screen time possible. And so that's why they killed her. I think there was a disconnect in terms of she thought, maybe I won't be on screen a ton, but I will be... A character throughout the course of the film. But she just gets killed.
SPEAKER_03:Pretty quickly.
SPEAKER_01:Really quickly. Like in the opening segment of the film. So Adrienne King. Yes. She is briefly in Friday the 13th Part 2. And then yeah. About 30 years go by. She comes back to acting in 2010. For a film called Psychic Experiment. And then since then. I have a couple other credits for her. All films. An American Bully. The Butterfly Room. Gabby's Wish. Okay. And The Dead Girl and Apartment 03. Okay. For 0-3. So unfortunate that, I mean, she was, she was an interesting final girl. I would have kept following her character. Like, it's too bad that that's what happened off screen because I think she could have carried, although a lot of people, we'll get to that if and when we get to it, a lot of people consider the second film to have the strongest final girl.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I could see that.
SPEAKER_01:But in any case, I did really like her as Alice. So moving on to... Now, there's like one crazy outlier to the rest of this cast. But as far as everybody else is concerned, for the most part, again, a very brief filmography for most of these people. The next person I'm bringing up is Marcy. So Marcy is the brunette. who I'll just get out of the way. So she's, she's like Kevin Bacon's girlfriend.
SPEAKER_04:Ah, okay.
SPEAKER_01:And, um, she's kind of petite and she basically, and she's also the one that's like kind of talking to herself in the bathroom. You did make a really funny joke with like saying is half this film filmed in the bathroom.
SPEAKER_03:So much of the movie was like goddamn bathroom.
SPEAKER_01:And that's where she gets it. I mean, the funniest thing to me is that, um, So basically, you know, her and Kevin Bacon have sex. She goes to use the bathroom. She's kind of, like, just hanging out in there. Like, she's, like, looking at herself in the mirror. She's, like, pretending she's Katharine Hepburn. Why not? She's, like, quoting a film. And then she thinks she hears somebody. So she, like, you know, pulls back a curtain on the shower. What's that? And then when she turns around and, you know, presumably the killer's there with whatever weapon, she gets an axe to the head. She
SPEAKER_03:has the lowest survival instinct. She does.
SPEAKER_01:She literally just cringes and she does nothing to save herself.
SPEAKER_03:There's not even a defense,
SPEAKER_01:moving your arms up. No defense wounds with the arms up towards the head. She just immediately accepts her fate.
SPEAKER_03:She kind of had to yell for a while before she actually swung the axe down.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, that's what I'm saying. It was just a really funny moment. I mean, and I'm not trying to make fun of her performance. It's just a funny moment to me in the film. Part of that
SPEAKER_03:is the way it's edited, isn't it? Sure. They could have cleaned that up a little bit to make it just like...
SPEAKER_01:Maybe a couple cuts back and forth between the axe and hers. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but it did seem like she was just like...
SPEAKER_01:I'm done! Except
SPEAKER_03:it would be more like, I'm dead! I'm
SPEAKER_01:dead! I'm dead! So she has three total acting credits, including this film. All right. The actress's name is Janine Taylor. Now, what I've read is that, and I'm going to say that a lot because this is one of those films where I've kind of read up a little bit more than others, that she just, I don't know if her heart was ever really that much in acting. And she also, I think, She's been vocal about saying this, that she had kind of an insecurity because she's like, I'm not tall. I'm not blonde. I'm not going to probably get the roles that other actresses are going to get. And I think she just decided to do other things with her life. Okay. So her other credits, she was on a TV series. And I don't even know if this was like an ongoing or like a one-off, but a TV series called The Edge of Night. And then a TV movie called The Royal Romance of Charles and Diana. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so moving on to Annie. So she's the first of the camp counselors to get killed and she doesn't even make it, like we said. She's the
SPEAKER_03:first counselor we see in the movie. Isn't she? Yes. Well, except for the ones that are killed in the
SPEAKER_01:flashback. I think you're right, though. I think she's introduced first, and then we get the truck that has Ned, Marcy, and Jack. Yeah, with some
SPEAKER_03:classic 1980s banjo music playing in their
SPEAKER_01:truck. Yeah, yeah. I think that was probably the highlight of the Meatballs-inspired segment, I feel like. But Annie is just the backpacker who's on her own. She goes into town. And because of that character, we get a little more context as well. She's
SPEAKER_03:the first one to meet Crazy Ralph.
SPEAKER_01:She is the first one to meet Crazy Ralph. We're going to
SPEAKER_03:talk more about Crazy Ralph. In a little bit, aren't we?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I do have him down. Okay. I do have him down. But she is the one who presumably is going to be the cook at the camp. And she's not really, you know, like the townsfolk all act pretty weird around her. But she just kind of is like, whatever. Don't go to
SPEAKER_03:that camp. It's cursed.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And she doesn't take him seriously. I mean, look, I get it. I get why you wouldn't take them seriously. But she's just like, you know, I don't believe in ghosts, you know, that kind of thing. So she... Hitchhikes. She hitchhikes for half the way with a trucker. And then we don't see who picks her up for the second ride.
SPEAKER_03:But we know who it was, right?
SPEAKER_01:In retrospect.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:But they make a point of not showing us who picks her up. In the car with that person, they make a point of only showing the POV of the person she's talking to.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And they miss the exit for Crystal Lake, so she starts to get nervous. She just rolls herself out of a car. Yeah. And, like, spoiler, it's Mrs. Voorhees. And she's driving at a pretty good clip, so Annie kind of hurts herself when she rolls out of the car. Yeah. Voorhees stops the car, goes after her, chases her through the woods. slits her throat.
SPEAKER_03:Voorhees' mom said excellent cardio.
SPEAKER_01:She must have. Really? Yes. Running all over the
SPEAKER_03:fucking
SPEAKER_01:place with that cardigan sweater on. Yeah, exactly. With the cardigan sweater. So Annie, the person who played her was Robbie Morgan. She has nine total acting credits of the ones that I wrote down. A film called What's the Matter with Helen? I did this one for you. She was on one episode of The Fall Guy.
SPEAKER_05:Heck yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And then a film called Dutch Hollow.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. So here's that real notable exception to everyone else.
SPEAKER_03:You know what's hilarious is I forgot he was in this. So when you said that, I'm like, oh, I wonder who it is.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, really? Yeah. Kevin Bacon.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Kevin Bacon's in this.
SPEAKER_01:And he's not in it even for that long. And I was saying to you, I think if they knew who Kevin Bacon was going to be. He
SPEAKER_03:might not die second.
SPEAKER_01:He would have been probably the last guy alive. Did he die
SPEAKER_03:third?
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Yeah. He was the third person to die.
SPEAKER_03:He is the third person to die, but only the second person we see killed.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Because, uh... We see Annie. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Ned is killed offscreen. Then Jack dies. And he has probably the most gruesome...
SPEAKER_03:It's... It's pretty... Like, he's just laying on the bed, and suddenly a hand comes up from underneath the bed to pin his head.
SPEAKER_05:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03:And then you see an arrow just come through his neck, with blood spurting out.
SPEAKER_01:Like, okay, the visual, very effective. Very eye-catching. You know
SPEAKER_03:it's gonna, you know something's coming, because he's just way too relaxed. He's, like, they just had sex, so already you know he's gonna die. He's gonna die. It's just a matter of when.
SPEAKER_01:But... When you think about the logistics of Mrs. Voorhees had to have been under the bed the entire time they were boning.
SPEAKER_03:The whole time. And that's not... Look, these beds are just glorified cots.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Not a lot of clearance. Right. And Mrs. Voorhees is not super slim.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_03:She could probably fit under there, but with people on top of her...
SPEAKER_01:So she not only just laid underneath there while they were having sex, but then she had to kind of set up that bow and arrow. And like, that takes a lot. That arrow would have broken against going through a bed. I just
SPEAKER_03:imagine that she didn't even have a bow and that she was just holding onto the arrow and just struck.
SPEAKER_01:That's what I meant. Yeah. That arrow. Like, no, I'm sorry. No arrow is no, no arrow. I'm putting the two words.
SPEAKER_03:Narrow.
SPEAKER_01:Narrow. Would go through.
SPEAKER_03:Box spring.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Well, there was no box spring. It was probably just a mattress. And then also, like, that actually would take a lot to force it through somebody's throat.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it got, like, this whole spinal thing going on back there, unless you just somehow made it
SPEAKER_01:around. So one of the less believable kills, but... Visually effective. Very
SPEAKER_03:effective.
SPEAKER_01:So, Kevin Bacon. It's kind of... It's kind of funny that he's in this film. I'm not sure how... In, like, how close succession these two films were produced or filmed. But, like, preceding this one was his, like, breakout in National Lampoon's Animal House.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:So, I don't know how well he was known. I think it's kind of interesting that, like, you know, sometimes we see, like... I have to say, although maybe I'm wrong, I wonder when Crispin Glover filmed one of those sequels before or after Back to the Future. Oh,
SPEAKER_03:yeah, that's right. He's in one of these. So
SPEAKER_01:sometimes I know the timelines get a little funky. Like, and even, and we're not even talking, like, really straight horror, but, like, you know, how... Michael J. Fox, his co-star in Back to the Future, did Teen Wolf, and that kind of was filmed around the same time, but then it was delayed as far as its release.
SPEAKER_03:I love that the guy who rightfully won in a claim against the studio because of the use of his likeness, and part of that was because he didn't agree with the... the story and the message. I love that the guy who is so concerned with all that, also in some Friday the 13th
SPEAKER_01:movie. Yes, yes, I agree. But Kevin Bacon, so yes, his first credit, actually, yeah, like very first credit was Animal House. And then he's gone on to have a hugely successful career. And I think one of the things I really love about him, first of all, he seems like a cool guy. I don't know him, but he seems like a cool guy. That's all I need. Hey,
SPEAKER_03:you can be a complete asshole. Just make me think that you're a cool guy and... That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And I feel like one thing that I really appreciate about him is that he has not, you know, this is one of his very first movies. Like it kind of put him on the map. And a lot of people, if they start off in horror, they're like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm like past that. Oh, like
SPEAKER_03:Leprechaun?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, like Leprechaun, exactly. And he has come back to horror time and again. Oh,
SPEAKER_05:yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like even just this year. So I'll get to that one in a second. But amongst some of his other credits, so he was on Guiding Light for a while. So he was on that soap opera. 11 episodes. And then he starts really picking up steam in his career in the 80s. So he's in Diner, the one other film. That we have covered with him, which is one of our most popular episodes, Footloose. It is
SPEAKER_03:the most popular.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So go check that one out with Fawson. So, you know, after Footloose, he was like a bonafide movie star.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Like everything after Footloose probably wouldn't be in Friday the 13th.
SPEAKER_01:Not immediately. Not like that. Not like the way he was. Not like that. So he does Footloose. She's having a baby. But then he pretty quickly does another horror film. He does Tremors. And that's very schlocky.
SPEAKER_03:I'm so, so annoyed that that's 1990. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Because I love that movie. Right over. Love it. Right over the line. He does Flatliners. And then he just, like, he's all over the place. Like, he can do almost every genre. Just JFK. We have watched him in A Few Good Men a bazillion times. Which is such a funny film to me. Because, like, when you think about all the, like, Brat Packers or Brat Pack adjacent stars in that film. Yeah. Between him, Cruise, Kiefer Sutherland, Demi Moore. It's kind of funny. They're all growing up. He's in the River Wild. You know, maybe a different generation knows him more so from Apollo 13 because he's in that. I think it's hilarious that he's in Wild Things. Yeah. And he does... I mean, I'm not trying to sound weird about it, but he does frontal nudity and wild things. So he's very committed. I
SPEAKER_03:haven't seen
SPEAKER_01:that. You've never seen wild things?
SPEAKER_03:No, I haven't. Shut
SPEAKER_01:up. Really? I
SPEAKER_03:haven't, but also don't a lot of actors use prostheses, prosthetics for a variety of reasons?
SPEAKER_01:Uh, yes. There's a
SPEAKER_03:story that Willem Dafoe had to use a double because his was too big. Really?
SPEAKER_01:I didn't hear that. I did not hear that. I don't even know what movie that would have been for.
SPEAKER_03:Probably
SPEAKER_01:Antichrist. Okay. Yeah. I don't know the peculiars of whether or not we were seeing real Kevin Bacon, Kevin Bacon's bacon, in Wild Things or Not. But he is in that, and he's actually really good in that. Okay. Stir of Echoes, so he comes back to horror again.
SPEAKER_03:That movie is so good.
SPEAKER_01:It's a really good movie, really good ghost story. He's in Mystic River, Frost Nixon. I don't remember who he is in this, but he's in X-Men First Class.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, he's like kind of the, like the... Oh, is he? Yeah. Okay. Like he kind of created Magneto.
SPEAKER_01:Oh.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So he's a Nazi?
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and that's why Michael Fassbender Magneto was tracking him down, trying to find him to kill him. Oh, I don't remember much about those movies.
SPEAKER_01:They're good. He's in Crazy Stupid Love. So more recently, so to speak, he's done more TV work. He was on the following I Love Dick. This I don't know a lot about it, but I'm almost positive it's a horror film. He's in They Them.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, that is. It's they slash them.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, but actual, like, I'm making the motion for the slash. It's got
SPEAKER_03:the slash, but the slash is meant to be... Oh,
SPEAKER_01:kind of the same implication? Yeah, it
SPEAKER_03:should be. There's probably a reason why they just couldn't spell it out like
SPEAKER_01:that. Maybe. Another TV series called City on a Hill. And then this year... We're going to watch this next week because we're going to have our good friend Intay over who did the original film with us on the podcast. Beverly Hills Cop, Axel F. And the last in the trilogy, the Ty West trilogy, he is in Maxine.
SPEAKER_03:My triple X-ine.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I
SPEAKER_03:don't know
SPEAKER_01:how to say it. So that starts with X, then Pearl, then Maxine.
SPEAKER_03:Really? Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So he, to my point, does a ton of horror still. And I love that about
SPEAKER_03:him.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Him and Tony Collette.
SPEAKER_03:Yes,
SPEAKER_01:yeah. Both excellent actors who don't shy away from horror. I'm sure there's a couple others, but... Okay, moving on to... I wonder if this is who you thought I was bringing up as an outlier. Harry Crosby! No,
SPEAKER_03:it was... I truly forgot Kevin Bacon was in this movie, which is crazy since I watched it two days ago.
SPEAKER_01:That's all right. Yeah. So if you're like, huh, Crosby, that huh is a good huh. Oh, yeah, this guy. Because he is the son of Bing Crosby.
SPEAKER_03:The series of questions that I was provided.
SPEAKER_01:I was giving you great clues.
SPEAKER_03:And I just couldn't. I eventually got there. I eventually
SPEAKER_01:got there. You did. I'd almost kind of give it to you. But you got there. You got there. So, yes, Harry Crosby. So he plays Bill. Bill Crosby. is the last surviving male camp counselor. So he's the one, I don't think it's ever explicit, but like basically he's the one that's like maybe almost having a thing with Alice. Not the guy who is getting the camp up and running again, but I have read that
SPEAKER_05:like
SPEAKER_01:there's supposed to be kind of an implication that she also maybe had something going on with Bill.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:But I never really picked up on anything overt in that regard between them.
SPEAKER_03:I just try to stay out of their personal lives.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah. That's their own business. Yeah. Um, but he does play strip monopoly with Alice and Brenda. Oh yeah. That's who that is. And he also,
SPEAKER_03:that scene was great. It was the most monopoly I've seen in a movie.
SPEAKER_01:There's a lot of monopoly. It was
SPEAKER_03:legit gameplay too.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I wonder if they, this was almost preceding like product, But man, they could have really made some bank if they had taken advantage of product placement.
SPEAKER_03:Is there not a Friday the 13th themed board? There
SPEAKER_01:should be.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:There should be. There should be. Yeah. So Harry Crosby, I think, from what I read, he wanted to make a go of it as an actor. He didn't really want to trade on his dad's name. But I don't think that career really... Went far. He has five total acting credits.
SPEAKER_03:That's a tough shadow to try to work out from under the shadow of Bing Crosby.
SPEAKER_01:He has his dad's eyes, but I would have never thought that he was Bing Crosby's kid. And I don't think Bing Crosby was that tall. I wouldn't have thought it either. And he looked like a pretty tall guy.
SPEAKER_03:But you know that from all the questions that
SPEAKER_01:it took. I know that from all the questions. Also, I've heard that... I mean, R.I.P., but that Bing Crosby was kind of a... Maybe not the most nurturing, kind father. No,
SPEAKER_03:there was that joke on an episode of Family Guy where they joked about Bing Crosby basically hitting his kids with bags of oranges to not bruise as hard. Oh, I don't know that. And I feel like Seth MacFarlane would make those jokes based on at least a tiny
SPEAKER_01:bit of truth. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So among some of his other credits, uh, he was on one episode of a TV series called double trouble and then a film called hollow Venus diary of a go-go dancer.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah. I know that movie or that show double trouble.
SPEAKER_01:I, it sounded vaguely familiar, but okay. So moving on to Brenda. So Brenda, I think is also a character that could have been the final girl. Because she seemed to have a real good head on her shoulders. She did. And the only reason why she died is because she got lured out by, I guess, like the fake little boy voice. Which was
SPEAKER_03:Mama Pam Voorhees, right?
SPEAKER_01:Mama Pam Voorhees, yes. And so Brenda, this was actually her last credit. After this, she's like, I'm peacing out of... acting. So she also only has four total acting credits. Her character is played by an actress named Laurie Bartram. And among some of her other credits, now one is very notable because she was on it for a long time. She was on two episodes of a TV series called Emergency! Exclamation. Exclamation Point. And then she was on another soap opera called Another World for a pretty good stint for like 84 episodes. That is good. But that was it for her. She just... I guess decided to do other things.
SPEAKER_03:She has an uncredited credit for what I assume is a horror movie called The House of Seven Corpses. Oh,
SPEAKER_01:I missed that.
SPEAKER_03:Maybe that's a Rob Zombie prequel.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it does, right?
SPEAKER_03:Sounds like something.
SPEAKER_01:Sounds like it. So moving on to the last of our camp counselors, Ned. Fucking Ned. Ned is annoying. Goddamn. I mean, he's kind of a weirdo. He seemed to have kind of a thing for Marcy because he is at like one point spying on her and Jack before they go in the cabin. And he seems pretty like downtrodden that she's like hooking up with him. Well,
SPEAKER_03:doesn't she ask Jack like, what about Ned?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, she does, because she knows that I think he has a thing for her. But it's like they're obviously a couple. Like, why would he think that... It
SPEAKER_03:was pretty obvious to me in the first, like, opening moments in that truck with them all.
SPEAKER_01:And then he does a really, really unfunny, and I'm doing air quotes, joke where he pretends he's drowning. And so they all chase after him.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And Brenda, I think is the one who gives him mouth to mouth. And then he starts kissing her. Like he's just, I did not care at all that he died.
SPEAKER_03:Faking a drowning in the sandlot. Hilarious coming of age story. Sure. To get the lifeguard to, uh, to give you a kiss. Sure. Doing it in this movie. I fucking hate you, Ned.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I think, to be fair, pretending you're drowning at any point's not really that funny, but... Okay,
SPEAKER_03:I mean...
SPEAKER_01:But here especially, I'm just like, you're a real dick, Ned. So Ned was played... What about
SPEAKER_03:Cameron?
SPEAKER_01:Cameron.
SPEAKER_03:And Ferris Bueller?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, same.
SPEAKER_03:Also not cool.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think it's cool at all.
SPEAKER_03:Call to action. What's the coolest fake drowning
SPEAKER_01:you've ever seen? Yeah, boy, there's a lot of fake drownings in movies. Right? Weird. So Ned was played by Mark... Oh, yeah. That's just their thing. Yeah. Because they've got to be running out of actors. We've got to just use the same actors.
SPEAKER_03:All infinite episodes, limited number of
SPEAKER_01:actors. Yeah, exactly. I think it's so funny. A film called Rewrite and then just other TV appearances, like one-offs. Yeah. Okay, so I wish– it would have been kind of interesting to get a little bit of backstory on why– this character, Steve Christie, decided to reboot Camp Crystal Lake.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think Steve Christie should have ever reopened this camp. I think it's a cursed camp. Did you hear a couple years before those people died, a little boy drowned there?
SPEAKER_01:You agree with Mrs. Voorhees. So yeah, this next person that we're bringing up, Steve Christie, he is, I guess, the camp owner?
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And
SPEAKER_03:he runs it. I don't know how sophisticated of like a whole like business thing is going on here.
SPEAKER_01:Here's the thing. So, OK, when he gets killed. He recognizes Mrs. Voorhees. We still don't know it's her.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah,
SPEAKER_01:he's it's raining. He sees like it's one of those.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, it's you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. He was given a lift by a cop and the cop had to go do something else. So he had to walk it back to the rest of the camp, which also he's just MIA for the entire day at the camp when he's like telling everybody else, you got to get your ass in gear to get this place ready. He
SPEAKER_03:gets everyone going and he just goes to flirt with a lady in the cafe.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. In the diner. It was so weird. So he knows who Mrs. Voorhees is, but does he know... did she actually portray herself to be who she is? Because if he knew who she was, he would have known that her kid drowned. And I feel like that'd be real crass to reopen a camp where somebody in your social circle has suffered that kind of loss. Do you know what
SPEAKER_03:I'm saying? I do. I think what I'm hearing, if I'm hearing this accurately, is that while... the original Friday the 13th is itself a prequel of sorts for Jason's story. Right. We need a prequel to that.
UNKNOWN:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:To know a little bit more about Steve Christie and Voorhees. And it would be like a lot of these prequels were like, When we saw the Mufasa trailer, it's like, did you know that Mufasa and Scar were best buds? That's what we need. They were like adopted brothers. Yeah, we need Steve Christie and Pam Voorhees just like dancing and having a great time.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I think she tells Alice that she's like a family friend of the Christie's.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:So I don't know if she's like friends with his parents because she does seem a generation older than
SPEAKER_03:him. It doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_01:This
SPEAKER_03:is the prequel I want.
SPEAKER_01:So it just seems super weird to me that they know know each other yeah and then he made this decision to open this camp but in any case that's what he does another thing that's kind of weird a little sleepaway camp ask is that he also seems to kind of have something going on with alice he
SPEAKER_03:did i mean they they like say it flat out at the beginning when she said that she might have to like leave yeah and the suggestion is because it's like weird yeah being around him
SPEAKER_01:yeah and maybe you should put a shirt
SPEAKER_03:on
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. But he does the sweeping of the hair away from her face. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like,
SPEAKER_03:look, we already talked about her haircut. It could use some work, but that wasn't...
SPEAKER_01:So in any case, played by Peter Brower, 13 total acting credits. And it's amazing because this guy... So, you know, at the top of the episode, I was talking about how the one writer so many... soap opera credits. This is what this guy's made his bread and butter on. He's been on As the World Turns, Guiding Light, One Life to Live, and All My Children. That's like what the rest of his career has been.
SPEAKER_03:He just did like the circuit.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:The circuit of soap.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, exactly. Okay, so I think you were going to bring up something about Crazy Ralph because that's who we're up to next.
SPEAKER_03:I just found it hilarious when like Crazy Ralph, we see him at the beginning and He talks about how it's like there's a death curse at the camp. He's just standing in the pantry, kind of like waiting for someone to open it so that he can talk a little bit more about the death curse.
SPEAKER_01:It was very weird, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But at some point through all that, the cop that comes to visit talks about how his wife is looking for him. Yes. And it's like, what? Crazy Ralph is married.
SPEAKER_01:He's married.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Good for you, Ralph, I guess.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I would not have... I didn't... Clock that either.
SPEAKER_03:No, I didn't see Crazy Ralph as...
SPEAKER_01:Married man.
SPEAKER_03:Being in a relationship with another person ever.
SPEAKER_01:Played by Walt Gurney. Gurney? Gurney. Gurney? Yeah, that's how I'm going to say that. 13 total acting credits. And here's the last one that I'm going to list. It's super interesting, but going back to earlier in his career. Do I have all movies for him?
SPEAKER_03:Have we covered him before? No.
SPEAKER_01:No. We can't cover him again. No, we did cover a movie that he's in, but I don't think we brought him up.
SPEAKER_03:Apologies, Crazy
SPEAKER_01:Ralph. I think because it was probably a very minor role. But he was in a film called Cops and Robbers, Nunzio. So just like Adrian King, who plays Alice, he does come back for Friday the 13th Part II. Spoilers, he dies in that movie. He lives in this one.
SPEAKER_03:As far as I know, he was not stalked.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_03:No.
SPEAKER_01:No. He comes back for Part II. The film that you are talking about is Trading Places. Yeah. So his credit is Duke Domestic.
SPEAKER_03:What a cool name.
SPEAKER_01:Well, no, I think what that's referring to is the Duke brothers. So he was like a domestic servant.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, that's an awful
SPEAKER_01:name. That's what I think that is saying.
SPEAKER_03:Oh,
SPEAKER_01:okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And that's why I think he didn't come up because he was probably just like somewhere in the background is like a butler or something. Oh my God. I
SPEAKER_03:literally thought his name was Duke domestic. I'm like, that's an interesting name.
SPEAKER_01:That's the way I'm interpreting that.
SPEAKER_03:That makes a lot more sense.
SPEAKER_01:But in any case, he also is an easy money. And then this is what I thought was so interesting. So in... Friday the 13th The New Blood I guess there's I mean off the top of my head I don't remember that particular film that closely but I guess there's like an opening narration he is the voice of that narration that
SPEAKER_06:is cool
SPEAKER_01:which I think is really cool that they kind of tied it back to him so okay lastly now you were right she is the first person listed oh I totally forgot about her In IMDb. But I just thought, like, again, let's get to the people who were in it for most of the movie. She does have probably the most infamous role. Yes. But Betsy Palmer, so she plays Mrs. Pamela Voorhees, she is the original killer of this franchise. Yep. And... Again, I think anybody who's even kind of like a passing horror fan probably knows the story that she didn't want to do this movie. It's like Donald Pleasence. She was like, the script is shit. Yeah. I don't want to do this. But she was like, I need a new car.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01:And so the thing is, though, I think there's a slight difference between her and Pleasence in that I think Pleasence had more of a, like, respectable, air quotes, acting career. I don't know how well known she was. She had been acting for a very long time, like 30 years prior. I don't know if she quite had a name for herself in the same way.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know if I would have known who Pleasance was, really, without the Halloween movies. We wouldn't have,
SPEAKER_01:but I think he did have a good career. But... She, I think, hadn't acted in like a dozen years either before she took this role. But among some of her credits, so these are all way preceding Friday the 13th. These are like all from the 1950s. A TV series called Miss Susan, Death Ride, Mr. Roberts, Queen Bee, The Tin Star, The Last Angry Man. So I think she gets a credit. Now we are bumping up into the 80s. I think she gets a credit because of the flashbacks. So she does have a credit for Friday the 13th Part 2
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:But truly, all you see is the severed head of the character in that film. She, for a while, was on the TV series. This was like a primetime soap opera, Knot's Landing.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, it was.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think it's the same because this is a film, but she was in a film called Penny Dreadful. So not the TV series that we watched for a while. Her final credit, because she's no longer with us, was Bell Witch, the movie. The movie, okay. And just lots of TV appearances. throughout the course of her career. All right, Derek.
SPEAKER_03:Isn't she in the third one too? Is this her severed head again?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I think also, let me think, let me think here. I think in the second one, I mean, I'm most certain it wasn't her, but like, so they do a reversal of like how Alice was pulled into the water by like her dream nightmare, Jason. Jenny, I think is also pulled into the water. By Voorhees, by Mrs. Voorhees.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's her, or is it the third movie? I don't remember. But in any case, film synopsis.
SPEAKER_03:I can't even imagine. A
SPEAKER_01:group of teenage camp counselors attempt to reopen an abandoned summer camp with a tragic past, but they are stalked by a mysterious woman. relentless killer that works yeah i think it does work uh it's it's just a fun stupid movie like i don't as far as like franchises go to be quite honest you probably saw over the last couple weeks i'll just throw this on in the background yeah um while i'm working or whatever because it's In a lot of ways, to me, the most palatable. It's just fun and stupid. I don't take it too seriously. We're talking about the lore of this franchise. I don't really care. I care more just because I think this franchise takes itself more seriously. I care more about the changes that they make to Halloween. And I'm still kind of annoyed that they only acknowledged in this last trilogy the very first film.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I feel like for Halloween, they kind of set themselves up for that with the sequel. Where, like, Halloween 2, where they go more into that,
SPEAKER_01:I think, than the first one. Where all of a sudden you realize that Laurie is Michael's sister.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so you create that, and it was kind of cool, but then how do you get, you know, 20 more films after it built on that? And the same thing with Friday the 13th is, like, okay... So he was like a little kid that drowned and now he's like a giant disfigured adult with a hockey mask. That's in three. I think he gets the mask.
SPEAKER_01:He gets the mask in three.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. He just has like the sack.
SPEAKER_01:Bag. Sack. Sack head. Sad sack. Yeah. And it is, you know, you're going to break your brain if you try too hard to... Makes sense.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Of how all of a sudden he is indeed alive and has somehow survived in the woods for... Because it's like, where are we going now then with this story? Did he not actually drown and he was hiding from his mom?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. It goes from just a slasher to is it a ghost story? Yeah. What's even... But no, it's always intended just to be a stupid slasher kind of movie.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know?
SPEAKER_01:And... And it's even funny when you think about, and I mean, this is meant to be about the first film in bulk, but it's hard not to talk about the other films because it goes from like the killer being Mrs. Voorhees to the killer being Jason, but he still is kind of like a human Jason to him being revived by lightning to like.
SPEAKER_03:Hundreds of years in the future, the corpse of Jason Voorhees is locked away on a spaceship in in in jason x where he's like the most dangerous presence in the history of mankind
SPEAKER_01:yeah
SPEAKER_03:and suddenly comes back to life one of the best kills
SPEAKER_01:with the liquid nitrogen oh
SPEAKER_03:my god
SPEAKER_01:really good kill
SPEAKER_03:yeah there are a lot of uh jason x is probably as bonkers as any of those movies get but that's what makes it so good
SPEAKER_01:i mean as far as like when we're talking about now granted halloween started in the 70s but when i think about the big franchises from the 80s i do think halloween i think this and i think friday the 13th or i'm sorry um nightmare on elm street yeah and of those three this is the one that i can just throw on and not be too concerned about following the story or anything and because there are so many like This has got to be the franchise maybe with the most films to it. Close to it. They all have rocked up a fair number of sequels and prequels and all that. But there's so many films that like... I was telling you that like probably the first four films, I have a pretty good handle on the stories. And then after that, it's kind of like, I don't know anymore.
SPEAKER_03:You have a better handle on the story than I do because I don't really... Like after the first and second one, maybe I'm like, I don't know what's happening.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, do you remember the first time you saw this or?
SPEAKER_03:It was not that long ago because I didn't really like I didn't really like horror slasher films. I appreciated like horror movies that were more suspense oriented. types of films where it wasn't about the body count and the ridiculous kills. And for whatever reason, I think they're hilarious now. It's just fun to watch it. I don't take them very seriously. And I think I'm just able to appreciate the difference between something like this and something where they're really trying to build up suspense and make it a different kind of experience.
SPEAKER_01:There's actually... I don't know if this is going to make any sense, but there's something more... fun and palatable to me about the kills from this era because even though maybe I'll kind of scream when I see an arrow going through Kevin Bacon's neck.
SPEAKER_03:Did you say squeam? Or scream?
SPEAKER_01:Squeam. Squirm? Squirm.
SPEAKER_03:It took me a second to look. What the fuck is a squeam? Like that TV show, Squeam Queens.
SPEAKER_07:I'm probably going to cut that.
SPEAKER_03:It's some of my best work.
SPEAKER_01:So what I do really like, though, about this era is I think a lot of horror films still use practical effects. Yeah. Because generally it's cheaper. Yes. But... There still has been a, I guess, I don't know, proficiency in terms of how things have progressed over the last 40 years. And so things look more realistic. Or they are using CGI. And it's not even so much a problem with them using CGI. But when we were watching the, what was it, Fear Street? Oh, yeah. Fear Street trilogy. And I think it was the first one that we watched, which was like... Was that set in the 80s?
SPEAKER_03:I think so. I think the first
SPEAKER_01:one was. It was like something in the 80s, something in like 1994 or something, and then something in like the 1800s.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Or 1600s. If I'm being
SPEAKER_03:honest, I remember that there were three different time periods, and I remember very little else.
SPEAKER_01:What I remember, and I think I'm thinking of the right group of films, is The Bread Slicer. Oh,
SPEAKER_04:yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And for me... That's just a little like they make it look a little too realistic and it's a little too grotesque for me. Yeah. I like this style of film where it's like, like even with Marcy getting the axe to the head, like I know we are laughing about it, about how like it's kind of a really silly moment, but that's why I like it because it's like, I think they're trying their best. I'm not at all trying to downplay like the really creative genius of Tom Savini and all those guys who worked on this and other horror films, but it's clear that it's like a practical effect and-
SPEAKER_03:is because you everyone watching it should be aware that they are not
SPEAKER_01:in fact not in fact murdering their actors yeah
SPEAKER_03:yeah tom savini by the way was also the person who actually did that uh that shot with the bow and arrow that almost hit someone
SPEAKER_01:oh brenda
SPEAKER_03:yeah when ned i think it was yeah yeah no that was tom who actually like let that one go
SPEAKER_01:interesting
SPEAKER_03:yeah i mean he's what he did like day of the dead or dawn of the dead or one of those before doing this so he's He's honestly amazing and not bad in front of the screen or in front of the camera either when he played the character Sex Machine in From Dusk Till Dawn.
SPEAKER_01:That's right.
SPEAKER_03:He was really good in that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. No, I mean, there's something, and maybe it's just my nostalgia speaking, but even though maybe practically... And even for a film that, like, has really, really high production value as far as its practical effects, like The Thing.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:There's just something as grotesque as it is. It works for me better than a lot of stuff I see nowadays that's, like, a little too over the top. Or, like, okay, so you mentioned that we just saw Alien Romulus. I know you said that it wasn't as gory as you thought it was going to be. But even the stuff that I did see, it's not that, um... I thought it was
SPEAKER_03:too gory. It just wasn't fun in the same way. Of the three of them, I would probably be more inclined to watch the Halloween movies or Friday the 13th movies over Nightmare on Elm Street, where Freddy Krueger is his own kind of thing, but for a lot of those movies, it's a little bit extra or too much. He's so mean. He's so mean-spirited that it adds this cruelty to it that takes away from just the nonsensical... Like, fun part of the kills and
SPEAKER_01:stuff. And I mean, like, I'm getting a little ahead of myself because I'm not even really referencing. Like, in this particular film, I don't think, well, except for Annie, there's not a scene with anybody running away. Like, Alice, okay, so once Alice realizes that Mrs. Voorhees is, like, off her rocker.
UNKNOWN:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01:She's like going from one cabin to another cabin. Yeah. That's her tactic.
SPEAKER_03:All these scenes where it's just like complete darkness and you see crazy fucking Pam Voorhees running towards you. Those were very disturbing.
SPEAKER_01:But once you get further along in this franchise, farther, further along.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:you know, there's like the classic scene of people running from Jason or running from, from Mike Myers and the Halloween franchise. And it's hilarious to me because for the most part, they're always just like steadily walking. Yup. And those people are like desperately running, but then, you know, there's always a trip. There's always a fall. There's always a, whatever. There's always a
SPEAKER_03:really bad decision to like, I'm going to hide in
SPEAKER_01:this closet. Or they're going to hide or is watching. Um, oh my gosh, the one, I don't know what number it is, but basically we're like Jason meets his match and somebody who, um, can like move things with her mind and her like the guy who actually is Bernie at Weekend at Bernie's so he's in that Terry Kaiser and at one point Jason's going after him and he thinks he lost him but he's still like in the middle of the woods and he kind of just takes a breather and I'm like come on man come on but in any case that kind of stuff it's just I appreciate a horror film that doesn't take itself too seriously and And that's why I really do enjoy this franchise quite a bit. It's
SPEAKER_03:probably why some movies like Midsommar are not as much my jam because they're just like...
SPEAKER_01:Not my jam.
SPEAKER_03:They're just like, let's take this depression and let's just let it simmer a little bit in some sadness. Yeah. And then make it somehow... Into something that will make you feel even worse by the end.
SPEAKER_01:There's no joy to it. And I know that that sounds like a really weird way to even describe Friday the 13th. But it knows it's entertainment. I think that's what I'm trying to get at. And this film in particular, I mean... it's curious to we'll never know like how we would have felt about this if it hadn't turned into the franchise that it became it's like if it was just this movie
SPEAKER_03:yeah they're like ridiculous and like just intended to get a reaction
SPEAKER_01:yeah
SPEAKER_03:but they're not designed to just make you feel terrible right
SPEAKER_01:but it is funny though because like you know we get i think five films in five years like they just started pumping out the sequels
SPEAKER_03:after that return on the first one right not surprised
SPEAKER_01:and but it's interesting to me how quickly it kind of becomes self-aware of the kind of franchise it is and like even in the second movie just in terms of like the nudity because like i don't think there's nudity in this film
SPEAKER_03:very minimal Yeah. Like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, you see Marcy in her underwear, Brenda in her underwear. You see the guys in their, like, little Speedos on the beach. It wasn't
SPEAKER_03:the Jason Porky's crossover that we get in later movies.
SPEAKER_01:And that is one thing about the franchise that I'm like, okay, I get it. It's, like, of the time. Not, like, my favorite bit. Especially 3. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Or
SPEAKER_01:no, is it 4? 4 is the one with Corey Feldman and also I think Crispin Glover. Because 3
SPEAKER_03:is the 3D one.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think 4 has the most nudity, I think, of all of them. I mean, it even has nude films from the turn of the century that the one guy's watching. Oh, yeah,
SPEAKER_03:weird. And
SPEAKER_01:I think they kind of scale back from movie to movie in terms of how much nudity they're showing.
SPEAKER_03:So they're so self-aware, though, that in Jason X, they catch him on the ship's holodeck by making him It's one
SPEAKER_01:of my favorite parts of the whole movie. You know, they made their money and they were like, we got to have a sequel. It's like, well, what do we do? Mrs. Voorhees just got her head chopped off. So it's like, how, how would you carry that on? And it's like, okay, we're going to somehow make it so that Jason is still around. So it's, it's a really fun movie. I'm so glad that we finally, like, I don't know how much there is to like talk about in terms of like there being, there's not some deep story that's like, I mean, a mother's trauma, a mother's grief. That would have been the
SPEAKER_03:name of this if it was a Lifetime movie.
SPEAKER_01:I will say, because I told you this when we were watching it, and I thought it was really funny, if it's true, that when they show the opening segment of, like, 1958. Oh,
SPEAKER_03:yeah. I love this story.
SPEAKER_01:And the two camp counselors who are, like, infamously the first two victims of the Voorhees family in this entire franchise, the guy was actually a P.A., on the movie, but they're like, we're going to need you to act. Hey,
SPEAKER_03:do you want to go make out with this person and then get killed? Sure.
SPEAKER_01:I think that that is amazing, and I don't know anything about what's come of his career, but I think that that is something to definitely hang your hat on, even if you didn't do anything else. Anything else that you want to bring up about this movie? No. No. Okay. Call to action. I mean, look, this- Uh-huh. You say that every time. I will say that we now at this point have a couple times brought up the big three.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Halloween, Friday the 13th, A Nightmare on Elm Street.
SPEAKER_03:I wonder if people would say, what about Hellraiser?
SPEAKER_01:For sure. So many horror films are franchises because they're cheap.
SPEAKER_03:Hellraiser is way too freaky for me.
SPEAKER_01:Hellraiser is... Hellraisers. Hellraiser, singular, is intense.
SPEAKER_03:It's too much.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe at some point we'll do it, but it, yeah. I mean, Critters, Gremlins, like so many horror films turn into franchises because they're cheap, but these, I would say, are the big three.
SPEAKER_03:Jason, Freddy, and Mike Myers are kind of iconic figures in horror.
SPEAKER_01:And then, you know, like, look, I'm happy that others have come along, like Ghostface from the Scream franchise and things like that. So it's fun to have.
SPEAKER_05:That's true, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Chucky. I mean, he's another 80s woman, but not in the same way.
UNKNOWN:Big time.
SPEAKER_01:I would want to know, like if you had to pick, which of the three big franchises is your favorite? I'm always really curious about that. I feel like 75% of the time you're going to get either Friday the 13th or Halloween. And then you have every once in a while the people who say that Nightmare on Elm Street is their favorite.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, for me, it's just a question of picking between Friday the 13th and Halloween. It's definitely not going to be Nightmare. Depends
SPEAKER_01:on
SPEAKER_03:the mood I'm in. I haven't even seen all the Nightmare movies.
SPEAKER_01:Neither have I.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I've seen like one. I've seen part of, I think three was the Dream Warriors.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. That's arguably the best one after the first one. Yeah. But... Okay, so are you piggybacking on that call to action?
SPEAKER_03:I am.
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SPEAKER_03:What do we got?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know if this is clue enough, but when I was talking to you about the Halloween series, this was one of the ones that you mentioned that you wanted to do.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, okay. We're going to cover Stephen King's Christine.
SPEAKER_01:Well done. I didn't know if that would be the first one you were going to bring up.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I didn't think I'd remember it either.
SPEAKER_01:Good job. Yeah, and... Unlike Friday the 13th, which has been a film that I've kind of just like, I don't know, I've always known,
SPEAKER_03:this
SPEAKER_01:one came on my radar much later in life. I
SPEAKER_03:knew of this because my mom accused my dad of keeping a car when I was just a kid that she would call Christine because that car would not fucking start for her. It would just die on her, all kinds of problems. When my dad would drive it, everything's fine.
SPEAKER_01:Interesting.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. So that's how I became aware of the fact that there was a movie about a car named Christine.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, it's an interesting concept. I mean, Stephen King has really run the gamut of like things that could be scary or possessed.
SPEAKER_03:A possessed car.
SPEAKER_01:A possessed car is an interesting concept. And trying to convert that to film and make it scary is– and we could talk about how successful it is in that regard. But– I'm excited to cover it. And in the meantime, I'm just so excited to be doing Halloween series, favorite time of the year. Thank you to everybody who wants to hang with us for this particular series or maybe all year long with our podcast. We know you have lots of choices. So
SPEAKER_03:many choices.
SPEAKER_01:So many choices. So we appreciate you listening to ours and we'll talk to you again in two weeks time.