'80s Movie Montage
Breaking down our favorite decade of flicks. Hosted by Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke.
'80s Movie Montage
Ghost Story
In this episode, Anna and Derek chat about the major ick factor of four guys obsessing over one woman, the confusion of Alma's corporeal being, and more during their discussion of the Fred Astaire and company's gothic gem Ghost Story (1981).
P.S. Apologies, friends! Anna realized after the recording that she was mixing up the names David and Don. Ugh.
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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.
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SPEAKER_01:Well, what were you calling it?
SPEAKER_02:Corrections and retractions.
SPEAKER_01:That's right. Yes. Thank you for the lead in. Yes. So we are putting a quick little message ahead of this episode because... This is certainly not the first time I've been wrong on the podcast, but it is pretty egregious. And so I just wanted to clarify that only after we recorded, did I realize that I had switched the names of the sons. So the entire time during the recording, the son that we see most of the time, I kept calling David. Okay. Wrong. Okay. That's Don. All right. David is the one who fell to his death and we got to see full David.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah, yeah, got it,
SPEAKER_01:got it. So, just wanted to clarify for everybody, my apologies. I somewhat blame the fact that they named both sons with the letter D.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's confusing.
SPEAKER_01:But ultimately, totally my fault, and I am gravely sorry.
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SPEAKER_00:I'm sorry, Mr. Hoffman. Ricky. But it's worse than you know. At least two people have already died. My brother was the first. I think this is a ghost story.
SPEAKER_02:Whoa, and welcome to 80s Movie Montage. This is Derek.
SPEAKER_01:And this is Anna.
SPEAKER_02:And you know what, Don? You're right. It is a ghost story. It's the title of the movie.
SPEAKER_01:It's literally Ghost Story.
SPEAKER_02:1981's Ghost Story.
SPEAKER_01:He said the title.
SPEAKER_02:They're in a ghost story.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we'll talk about that because it's kind of interesting. I mean, I think it's a fool's errand to try to figure out the logic behind it. of ghost stories but it is kind of an interest anyway we'll we'll get into it there's so much to talk about i
SPEAKER_02:mean this one in particular was heavily edited and changed up from the peter straub novel upon which it was based
SPEAKER_01:and we will talk about him in two seconds did you read the novel
SPEAKER_02:i never did but i think i'm going to because
SPEAKER_01:oh yeah
SPEAKER_02:like Stephen King actually worked with Straub on a few things, and his comment on the novel of Ghost Story was that it's like on the level of Exorcist. It's like one of the best, one of the top supernatural kind of Ghost Story movies.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, interesting. Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:so I think I will.
SPEAKER_01:Ooh, that makes me want to read it. Let's all read it. High praise from... We do have friends that actually read books to each other. They've both been guests on the show. Yeah, do you know what I'm
SPEAKER_02:talking about?
UNKNOWN:No.
SPEAKER_01:I'll tell you off in case they don't want to be, I don't know, doxxed for doing that.
SPEAKER_02:We don't want to out anyone as being readers.
SPEAKER_01:As being literate. So, ghost story. So excited to talk about this one. Came on our radar. I mean, I think I brought it up to you, but I don't honestly remember how it came on my radar. But in any case, to your point, it is based on, is this the first one of this season? It's got to be because Friday the 13th certainly isn't based on existing IP.
SPEAKER_02:I
SPEAKER_01:don't think so. I wouldn't say the slumber party massacre is either. Christine is.
SPEAKER_02:Christine for
SPEAKER_01:sure. Okay, so it's not. Okay, so it isn't the first one for this Halloween series. But yes, it's based off of the Peter Straub novel. He passed away in 2022. Mm-hmm. As far as IMDB credits go, I just have a couple other credits from other novels of his. So The Haunting of Julia and the Talisman. Not to put you totally on the spot, but what are some of the collaborations he's done with Stephen King?
SPEAKER_02:Well, The Talisman is the one that I can really think of because I don't know if he was also involved in Black House, which was the sequel to The Talisman. Oh, okay. is an interesting one of his books because it's like, I mean, it's primarily based on a kid who's trying to save his mom by getting literally this talisman from kind of a parallel universe.
SPEAKER_01:Oh,
SPEAKER_02:okay. I think
SPEAKER_01:you have talked about that before with me.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and then Black House is much later in that kid's life. He's now an adult detective, and there was going to be a trilogy, and... And I don't know if that's going to happen now because of Straub's passing away, but Talisman and Black House are both really cool stories.
SPEAKER_01:So, except for the heavy hitters, I don't really have exhaustive knowledge of Stephen King's, would you say, bookography? Sure. But does he tend to do that? Because you were making me think of The Shining and Doctor Sleep, where he follows a character who's a child. He did with it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So
SPEAKER_01:does he do that a lot where he tells a story from a child's perspective and then fast forwards to them as adults?
SPEAKER_02:He writes so much. I don't know if it's a thing that he focuses on or if it's just one of many different types. Things that he does. He writes from the POV of kids at times, and I think he does a really good job of that. And he also has written plenty from much older people. points of view
SPEAKER_01:got it okay that's curious okay so that is Peter Straub and then this was adapted into a screenplay by Lawrence D. Cohen and not a super huge filmography although he ties back to Stephen King because he also has adapted a couple of his properties and one in particular he has like regardless of like how involved he was he has carryover credits and Oh, and that's actually the Carrie. Carrie over credits. Carrie. So that was not intentional. In any case, yes, he has a credit for the 76 Carrie, which again, gosh, too bad it's not an 80s movie because I think that would be so interesting to talk about. And then I didn't even know that there was a TV movie of Carrie from 88. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I don't think I did either. Interesting.
SPEAKER_01:He has a credit for that. He also has a credit for the TV miniseries It.
SPEAKER_02:The one with Curry. Yes. Right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:As well as, isn't this also Stephen King, The Tommyknockers?
SPEAKER_02:What I remember from The Tommyknockers is that it possibly involved aliens in a spacecraft that and an insane amount of batteries, like alkaline batteries for things. Like
SPEAKER_01:batteries not included. Those are aliens.
SPEAKER_02:They were very much included in that story. And I feel like the Tommyknockers is an interesting choice to try to adapt because it was bizarre just reading.
SPEAKER_00:Huh.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. But maybe I'll give that a shot. It's from the 90s. How can it not be anything except amazing?
SPEAKER_01:And then... He also has a credit for the 2013 Carrie, which we've already given our thoughts on for the 30 seconds that we watched.
SPEAKER_02:We've talked about 15 minutes about those first 30 seconds.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That's all I could take.
SPEAKER_01:Same, same. All right, so moving on to the director, John Irvin. A couple notable, interesting filmography. Like, I didn't have a ton of credits down for him, but he also, so I know that this got some attention, Oscar attention a couple years ago as a film. He directed the TV miniseries of Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, I can't say it. Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy. Got it. Got it. Yeah. So he did that. Okay. Um, he did hamburger Hill, the film he did. So this is why I thought it was funny. Cause like, I know that that had a claim and I think it has like a ton of people in it as well. He also did an ex of kin, the Patrick Swayze. Oh yeah. Yeah. He did that. And then I think he's just at this point retired. Um, 2016 is the last credit I have for him and it's Mandela's gun. I
SPEAKER_02:mean, you just, did you, did I miss raw deal?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, my apologies. What's Rod
SPEAKER_02:Dio? It's almost hard to keep it straight with Commando and some
SPEAKER_01:of those other Schwarzenegger movies. Is it a Schwarzenegger movie? Oh, yeah. Oh, gosh. I didn't know it.
SPEAKER_02:The key art for a lot of those is Schwarzenegger flexing with a gun.
SPEAKER_01:And kind of oiled up.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. Are you looking at it? No.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. But I just took an educated guess. Wild guess. Well, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You nailed it.
SPEAKER_01:All right. Well, that's John Irvin. So, I mean, he did do a good job. I mean, we'll, of course, get into the cast in just a few minutes. He had some pretty high pedigree to work with. So it is an interesting film, though, because we are talking about primarily actors who had their heydays 40, 50 years before this film.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And that plays into even the storyline of the film in terms of the events that happened 50 years prior. So it's kind of an interesting parallel in a weird way, if I'm articulating myself well, in terms of when they had their notoriety and then who they are in this film. Which
SPEAKER_02:is funny for a couple of reasons, because I'm sure we'll talk about the flashback. If it even is a flashback, because it felt like it was like 40 minutes of the film going back to the younger versions
SPEAKER_01:of them. It put Bloodsport to shame.
SPEAKER_02:But they didn't really... look or feel like they were the same people that much like maybe I
SPEAKER_01:think that the Fred Astaire
SPEAKER_02:Fred Astaire's character was probably the closest
SPEAKER_01:and John the doctor
SPEAKER_02:yeah
SPEAKER_01:those two although I don't know why they made Ricky such a giggling idiot when he was a kid because holy shit
SPEAKER_02:I mean the
SPEAKER_01:giggles
SPEAKER_02:this guy had to giggle there there was a lot there's a lot to talk about their younger years and how like just bizarre all of that behavior. I
SPEAKER_01:am fully on the side of the ghost in this ghost story. Yeah. And to be totally honest, I'm probably like jumping the gun a little bit here. Ricky should have died too.
SPEAKER_02:Right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they all
SPEAKER_02:should
SPEAKER_01:have died.
SPEAKER_02:He just danced away scot-free.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I see what you did there. All right, I'll get to that. So moving on to cinematography, Very, very notable DP, Jack Cardiff. He had his first credit in 1937. Okay. And I think, did he have an uncredited? Usually, I don't know if DP's have an uncredited. I think he had something even preceding that, but he might have been uncredited for. But yeah, so he had been in the game a long time before this film came along and got a lot of Oscar attention for the previous work that he had done. He was an Oscar winner. And this is so interesting because for some of these, categories they no longer exist he had best cinematography color because at one point in time
SPEAKER_02:yeah black and white
SPEAKER_01:yes so they split they had a best cinematic cinematography black and white best cinematography color he won color for a black narcissist so oh narcissist black no black narcissist yeah not like a person who is a narcissist
SPEAKER_02:narcissist
SPEAKER_01:but yeah
SPEAKER_02:yeah
SPEAKER_01:It's hard for that to come through, the nuance. But in any case, he also shot the African queen, the bear. I mean, some of these just... historic films uh the barefoot contessa he got another oscar nom again for best cinematography color for war and peace wow yes right he also did some directing so he also i wonder how many times there's a crossover here where he got oscar attention both as as a cinematographer as well as a director because he got an oscar nom as a director for sons and lovers uh moving past that i'm not sure i didn't do a super deep dive but like how mercurial he was between taking dp gigs versus taking director gigs because then after that nomination he gets another cinematography nomination again color for fanny and then it's so funny because like he had all these like hugely notable older films under his belt but then he also did conan the destroyer hey
SPEAKER_02:that movie is just a treasure
SPEAKER_01:And he also did Rambo colon First Blood Part 2. Well,
SPEAKER_02:we all know how... I feel about that.
SPEAKER_01:Sometimes you just gotta go where the work is.
SPEAKER_02:He was the DP of another movie that we might watch or might cover for one of our Halloween seasons. It's called Cat's Eye, but that is Stephen King.
SPEAKER_01:I'm sorry to include that.
SPEAKER_02:It's a collection of short stories that all interconnect in ways that you don't get until it happens in almost like a Pulp Fiction-y kind of way.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. But yeah, really, they pulled onto this film a hugely notable, recognized, admired DP. Yeah. And it does look good. I mean... It does. I'm not saying that this is, like, overall one of my favorite horror films or... Sorry, ghost stories. But... there's something compelling about it. And I think in part, it has a lot to do with the look of it. Like that gothic kind of sensibility.
SPEAKER_02:They nailed that. I mean, I think that there are some good performances. It's honestly, you can just tell that the novel was very difficult to adapt and they had a lot of challenges doing so. But the performances, for the most part, are pretty solid. And like you said, it looks really good.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:There are times the music gets a little weird.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Sometimes a little incongruent with what What's happening?
SPEAKER_02:It goes from this is a terrifying story to am I waiting in line at Disneyland?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. There's
SPEAKER_02:just like a weird...
SPEAKER_01:Thank you for the segue because we're going in music.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_01:I know the
SPEAKER_02:order we go through these.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, thank you. Thanks for setting me up so well.
SPEAKER_02:No worries.
SPEAKER_01:So, Philippe Sardet? Sardet?
SPEAKER_02:That works for me.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. So, I mean, he's still working. He currently has 220 composing credits and counting.
SPEAKER_02:Damn. Yeah. Sorry for the, for besmirching of the Mr. Sardais.
SPEAKER_01:No, I mean, hey, everything, all this is subjective, but he is French. And so like, I mean, so many credits as I just said. noted a lot of them are for like french projects so i'm not so much going to go down that path although i think i kind of have some of them intermingled because some of these titles are hilarious a lot of um titles with like exclamation points which i also also uh always find very fun so the first one is don't touch the white woman
SPEAKER_02:damn okay
SPEAKER_01:curious what that could possibly be about yeah um a film called now we've seen it all oh actually i didn't Now we've seen it all! Because that also has an exclamation point. Thank you. He is an Oscar-nominated composer. He got Best Original Score, a nomination for the movie Tess. I think I had to see that in school, and it is a fucking downer. Did you ever read, I think, if I'm remembering correctly, it's an adaptation of, I'm going to butcher this too, Tess of the Derbivilles. Do you know that story? I do. It is fucking bleak. Okay,
SPEAKER_02:okay.
SPEAKER_01:Sounds amazing. Don't read it. I'm not. I do. Look, I do love that they kind of force you to read certain books in school because otherwise you probably wouldn't ever touch them. And I'm glad to have that kind of institutional knowledge, I guess, of some of these books. But
SPEAKER_02:what better time to have your soul absolutely crushed
SPEAKER_01:than in high school?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's the best time.
SPEAKER_01:He composed for the woman cop, not just cop, but it's a woman cop, the boy soldier.
SPEAKER_02:Somehow that sounds weirder than if it was just the female cop, and people say the word female in ways where I'm like, why'd you say that like that? It's
SPEAKER_01:weird. Yeah, it's a weird thing now. So just
SPEAKER_02:saying the woman cop, I'm like, now that I hear it, I don't know that's better. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Waiter! Exclamation point. That's the last of the exclamation points.
SPEAKER_02:Is it?
SPEAKER_01:For what I put down, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Pirates, which... No, not the Pyramid. But that's why I included it because that was like its competition. The Manhattan Project. So now some films that maybe we are more familiar with.
SPEAKER_02:We were obsessed with nuclear experiments and stuff in the 80s.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we might. He probably will come up again maybe before the Manhattan Project when we do it. The Bear, another fucking downer of a film. Lord of the Flies. Don't ever need to go back to that. Saw that one in school as well.
SPEAKER_02:Nope.
SPEAKER_01:The Little Gangster, Rhodes Rodin? Rodin? The artist?
SPEAKER_02:Oh.
SPEAKER_01:About the artist's life?
SPEAKER_02:I thought you were talking about Rodin like the kaiju, like the Godzilla.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, no. So I'm probably totally saying it wrong. Who knows? And then, as I mentioned, a lot of French projects.
SPEAKER_02:I know for a fact that you took French in school.
SPEAKER_01:That is
SPEAKER_02:hugely
SPEAKER_01:traumatic for me.
SPEAKER_02:So if I ask you just to say one of the French titles...
SPEAKER_01:Well, you're going to have to show it. How does it read?
SPEAKER_02:Okay, let's go for... Oh, that one? That
SPEAKER_01:one. Okay, no, I'm sorry. I can't articulate that one. There's one from 1998 that is just
SPEAKER_02:a series of French words, and I just did
SPEAKER_01:such
SPEAKER_02:a poor job. I'm going to have to edit that out.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I would never be... My biggest claim to fame... which has nothing to do with actually speaking another language, is one time I actually was in France.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And I was just walking along, I was in Nice, and I was walking along this pathway right by the water, and a woman came up to me, I guess with the assumption that I was French, because she just immediately came up to me asking a question in French, with no kind of like, are you actually French? And then I had to so awkwardly be like, sorry, American, and she was like, you know. Did
SPEAKER_02:you say sorry in French? Or did you say...
SPEAKER_01:I don't remember. I was just... But I remember being embarrassed that I didn't know how to answer her. But I was so gratified that she thought I was French. She went up to me thinking I could answer her question. And then
SPEAKER_02:her response was just...
SPEAKER_01:Very French. All right. Moving on to film editing. Tom Rolfe. And... Interesting filmography. Actually, somebody that we brought up not that long ago, but I redid his filmography in case I had missed some from the past time. I don't think I mentioned this when we talked about him a couple weeks ago. One of his early credits, this isn't what it sounds like because I did click in. Lolly Madonna XXX. So I was like, what? How did I miss this? Why is it on IMDb? It's not an adult film. I don't remember what it was, but I remember being, oh, okay, it's not an adult film. But XXX makes you think that.
SPEAKER_02:Well, if you were curious, or for anyone that is curious, it's about in the early 1970s, a young woman passing through rural Tennessee.
SPEAKER_01:She's caught between factions?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, gets caught in a feud. The Feathers and the Gut Shawls. And
SPEAKER_01:I think there was somebody in it. I was like, oh, I know that dude. Sorry, he cut the film The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing. I don't think I brought that one up either.
SPEAKER_02:There's a lot of people that love cat dancing, probably. I don't know. What is cat dancing?
SPEAKER_01:Is it literally cats dancing? I haven't the slightest idea. The Trial of Billy Jackson. Now we're probably getting to what I brought up for him last time. Taxi Driver. Oh, yeah. Heaven's Gate.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so the film that we talked about, War Games. Good movie. Good movie. Go check out that episode. He is an Oscar winner. He won Best Film Editing for The Right Stuff. Yeah, we got to cover that. He follows that with Nine and a Half Weeks. Mm-hmm. That is also a film. Yeah. Outrageous Fortune, The Great Outdoors, which I'm sure we will do at some point. Certainly, we mentioned that he did Jacob's Ladder.
SPEAKER_02:Damn it, 1990.
SPEAKER_01:Sneakers, The Pelican Brief, Dangerous Minds, Heat.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's a good movie and good editing.
SPEAKER_01:Devil's Own are some of the credits that I have for him. Okay. Oh, right. The stars of the film. Is there anyone I
SPEAKER_02:know?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, indeed. I think a couple guys, and they are guys, that a lot of people would know. I think I brought this up in the last episode that this is a... male-centric film. There's only one actress. There are a couple other women who play wives. I didn't put down their filmographies. I kind of stuck to the main, so the chowder society, so to speak, the son, and then the love interest. So we're kicking things off though with Fred Astaire. Fred
SPEAKER_02:Astaire.
SPEAKER_01:Probably going to be the first and last time we bring him up on this podcast, in terms of a film that he's in, because this actually was his final credit. He still lived on until the late 80s, but this was his swan song,
SPEAKER_02:so to speak. He apparently was convinced that he was going to die and was in a challenging state during the filming of this. He looks frail. And they tried to... accommodate that but but yes he did live on for many years after this
SPEAKER_01:because this was 81 i think he passed in 88 yeah 87
SPEAKER_02:88
SPEAKER_01:something like that yeah so this was it it's hard like i have a tremendous amount of love for early cinema 30s and 40s which arguably were his heyday he was a dynamic dancer
SPEAKER_02:yeah
SPEAKER_01:As far as his acting goes, I think it was, like, serviceable back then. He didn't exactly come on the projects, I think. Although he is an Oscar-nominated actor. I mean, his dancing was phenomenal. I lean a little bit more towards Gene Kelly because I just, I don't know. When you think about, like... The dancers of that era, it's like pretty much, as far as male dancers go, like Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly.
SPEAKER_02:Call to action. Who do you got? Are you team Kelly or team Astaire?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's actually, I'm sure, been a conversation on many podcasts. But it's fun to see him as an older actor that has nothing to do with him dancing. But it's also kind of challenging because he looks frail. And it's like...
SPEAKER_02:He does, but they all do. They all do. For the most part. I mean, maybe not... Oh, geez. What's the guy from The Paper Chase?
SPEAKER_01:John Houseman?
SPEAKER_02:That's him. Yeah. I forget his name every time.
SPEAKER_01:That's
SPEAKER_02:okay. I want to call him not Orson Welles.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's an interesting connection. I'll get to that when we get to his filmography. But yeah, so Fred Astaire, he plays Ricky Hawthorne. I mean... I mean, he is in most of the movie, but as the younger version of himself, he is the character that's just, like, inanely giggling all the fucking time. And that extended flashback, like...
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it gave me the impression that, like, none of them had ever, like, even been...
SPEAKER_01:In the company of a woman.
SPEAKER_02:Within, like, 50 feet. Yeah. It was just more than they could handle.
SPEAKER_01:Which... It's not a crazy thing to say for the era that they were portraying because they were talking about the 30s. There were certain levels of propriety, which even that's such an interesting thing because we'll get into what does occur, doesn't occur, between the first version of the actress, her name is Eva, and Ned.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And the fact that they even tried to consummate a relationship when they were like maybe just kind of into each other and weren't even like betrothed or, you know, so it's kind of an interesting thing that they even show for that era. I mean, I'm... And in proper society.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'm pretty confident that... when i read the book it's going to go a lot more into like the nature of like their friendship or relationship between eva and ned and between like the group
SPEAKER_01:and we'll definitely i want to talk about that because it is a really uncomfortable dynamic for me
SPEAKER_02:i i don't know if they just didn't have enough time to try to go through those stories because they completely eliminated certain like friends from that chowder society group there were there was like another like member of that group that was just completely
SPEAKER_01:interesting for the purposes of the film.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So they had to change a lot to get it to fit into like the confines of a movie,
SPEAKER_01:but,
SPEAKER_02:but it really came across as like, what is even happening
SPEAKER_01:right now? It's a really uncomfortable flashback to be honest.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Way more uncomfortable than blood sports.
SPEAKER_01:Did you call it Blood Sports? Oh, because you're using Possessive Case. I
SPEAKER_02:was, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Blood Sports flashback.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'm not even talking about the sequel to Blood Sports, which to be fair wasn't Blood Sports. It was Blood Sports
SPEAKER_01:2. I would have loved it if it was Blood Sports. And then the
SPEAKER_02:third one was like Blood
SPEAKER_01:Sporting. Like Alien and Aliens, just Blood Sports.
SPEAKER_02:Blood Sport Resurrection.
SPEAKER_01:So getting back to Fred Astaire, it's actually kind of interesting because he's obviously such an iconic figure in cinema. He only had 50 total acting credits. Not a ton, to be quite honest. He was Oscar-nominated. Okay, so technically, I don't know if I'd call him an Oscar winner. He got an honorary Oscar. It's not a competitive Oscar, but they wanted to recognize him, as they should have, for his achievements in cinema. He is probably most well-known for all of his dancing pics, RKO dancing pics with Ginger Rogers. He did nine of them with her. And some of them include the gay divorcee, top hat. I think there's a lot of argument between, like, so, you know, which one's the best one between the two of them. Usually comes down to top hat or swing time, I think. I don't really...
SPEAKER_02:What's your pick?
SPEAKER_01:I don't weigh in on that at all. Okay. But top hat, swing time, shall we dance, holiday inn... Easter parade. So now we're moving a tiny bit out of his heyday of dancing. He's a little bit older now. Royal wedding, funny face. That's with Audrey Hepburn. And then maybe a different generation knows him as the narrator from Santa Claus is Coming to Town. Oh, that's
SPEAKER_02:right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I didn't know this. He also wasn't. I didn't even know this existed. There's also a TV movie. The Easter Bunny is Coming to Town.
SPEAKER_02:Same character that he's voicing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Didn't know that existed. S.D.
SPEAKER_02:Kluger is the name of the narrator.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't know if that's readily available anywhere. And then he got his Oscar nom Best Supporting Actor for The Towering Inferno. Hmm. Okay, so he's the first of the four members of the Chowder Society. The next is Melvin Douglas. So he plays John Jaffrey. So, I mean, this is a spoilerific... He is the second person of the Chowder Society to die.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:He is the one that maybe was literally scared to death because he sees, from his perspective, the rotting corpse of Eva in his, like, what do you call it? A pocket theory? His at-home...
SPEAKER_02:Oh,
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. The old-school...
SPEAKER_02:I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Version of like a doctor's. Oh,
SPEAKER_02:apothecary. Thank you. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Like because he's in a room with all these medicines and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he's trying to get something presumably, I think, because he knows he's like maybe having a heart attack. Okay. And he's like looking. That's the way I perceive that scene. He knows he's having a heart attack. He's looking for something to help him. He hears her voice. He turns around. He sees her rotting corpse.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. That's not going to help.
SPEAKER_01:No. If you're having a heart attack, you see a rotting corpse. I think he literally is scared to death.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah,
SPEAKER_01:yeah. So that's Melvin Douglas. This was his final credit as well because he did pass soon after. And again, he looks pretty frail in this film. The only one that looks truly robust is John Houseman because I think he's a little bit younger than the rest of them.
SPEAKER_02:He looked it, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. But Melvin Douglas, another... I don't know if it's a name that's like spoken of as much as people like Fred Astaire or Clark Gable or like other figures that are just so iconic from early cinema.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you'd recognize him. You see his face and I'm like, I know that guy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And as far as his earlier counterpoint in the flashback, he looks like they didn't do a great job of differentiating the actors.
SPEAKER_02:No, it was.
SPEAKER_01:He looks almost like Fred Astaire's twin.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Of the younger actors.
SPEAKER_02:They did... For all the flack we give It Chapter 2, I thought they did a good job of casting. Wonderful job. And in this, I'm like, hey... Is this another movie? Who are these kids?
SPEAKER_01:Arguably, though, like, look. Okay, so Melvin Douglas and Fred Astaire do have kind of similarly long faces. Yeah. So, like, I think they maybe did the best matching them up. It just so happens that, like, those two younger actors look so similar to each other that it's hard to tell them apart. He's basically the one who, like, claims that she has no pulse because he does go on to become a doctor. Yeah. And... So that's what haunts him.
SPEAKER_02:He wasn't very good at taking the pulse, was he? No. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:No, he wasn't. I don't know if he was a great doctor or what. Yeah, yeah. So the actor Melvin Douglas, his first credit, 1931. Wow. Tonight or Never. I think he also has maybe an even earlier uncredited credit as well. And then some of his, I mean, I have, holy cow, 30 credits. And this is just a tip of the iceberg of his entire career. I have mostly films for him. He did do a ton of TV work as well. But we have The Vampire Bat, The People's Enemy, Annie Oakley, Lone Wolf Returns, The Gorgeous Hussie. The
SPEAKER_02:Gorgeous Hussie. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Women of Glamour. Space titles. Women of Glamour. Captains. So plural. Captains. Courageous.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah. That's a famous... Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:There's that woman again. The
SPEAKER_02:gorgeous hussy?
SPEAKER_01:The gorgeous hussy. Good girls go to Paris?
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Question mark?
SPEAKER_01:No, but it is a weird title, so that's why I put that on there. Nanachka. That's
SPEAKER_02:a
SPEAKER_01:very famous film. Too many husbands. Too many. Some of these early titles are just so fun. He stayed for breakfast. What does that allude to? Third finger, comma, left hand.
UNKNOWN:What?
SPEAKER_02:Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Wedding. I'm showing you my wedding ring right now.
SPEAKER_02:I concur.
SPEAKER_01:This thing called love, which I think there's a film from the 90s that might be titled the same. That uncertain feeling. I mean, I have so many. Sorry, there's a lot because he had a long career. A woman's face. It's just what it's called. Woman's face. As well as two-faced woman. So he did both. Okay. That's why I put that in there. They all kiss the bride. A lot of these films have a lot of innuendo, I feel. Like, what do these things allude to? There's a
SPEAKER_02:lot going on with these, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And a lot of women-centric. A Woman's Secret. He was on a TV series called Steve Randall. Never heard of it. So he gets his Oscar win. Actually, a couple. He gets his first Oscar win. Both are Best Supporting Actor for HUD. Oh, okay. So he's in that. He did the TV movie version, 1965, of Inherit the Wind. He gets an Oscar non-best actor for I Never Sink for My Father. I know somebody who did a play version of that. One is a Lonely Number. Certainly is. He's in The Candidate. So now we're getting a little bit older with his filmography. He gets another Oscar win for Being There. Okay. the film that we talked about last year that definitely is, like, again, to
SPEAKER_02:me,
SPEAKER_01:kind of a nice double feature, The Changeling.
SPEAKER_02:That's what I remember him from. When I said, like, I know this guy, that's what I know him from.
SPEAKER_01:So you know him from literally a film that's made, like, or a film that's made almost in the same year. So, like, when he...
SPEAKER_02:That is correct.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so I don't know if you would recognize him from a film from the 1930s.
SPEAKER_02:It's possible I would not.
SPEAKER_01:And then, as mentioned, lots of TV appearances.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, moving on to Douglas Fairbanks Jr. Douglas
SPEAKER_02:Fairbanks Jr.
SPEAKER_01:Probably the first and only time we will talk about him as well. Yes, he is the son of the famous actor Douglas Fairbanks. Yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Must have been really hard to live in his father's shadow. I think I read that like his dad kind of dissuaded him from entering show business, but he did anyway. I don't think his dad was like a super present dad when he was younger. I think his parents split when he was really young because then Douglas Fairbanks Sr. went on to marry Mary Pickford. Oh. Pickfair was the name of their home. Okay. Famous kind of part of... classic Hollywood uh one of the so sorry I don't I try not to get too much into like the personal lives but Douglas Fairbanks Jr. for a while was married to Joan Crawford
SPEAKER_02:wow
SPEAKER_01:so yeah this is good
SPEAKER_02:this is good info
SPEAKER_01:yeah so they were married for a minute and I think I remember hearing on a podcast that like at the time she wasn't uh considered I don't know proper society because there were rumors about how she got uh to be a notable actress in Hollywood. Oh, you're picking up what I'm putting down.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, people have been picking up that for generations
SPEAKER_01:at this point. Yeah. So like, I don't know if at some point junior and senior reconciled or maybe there wasn't really an estrangement. But like, from what I heard, Fairbanks and Pickford did not take to Joan Crawford being part of their like, parties and whatever. So anyway, his first credit 1923.
SPEAKER_02:Wow.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So I'm telling you, these guys, yeah, we're talking classic golden age of Hollywood actors.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I'm not super good with math, but that sounds like it would have been just over 100 years ago. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Isn't that crazy to think about? Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:that is. I
SPEAKER_01:mean, preceding it possibly could have been a silent film, probably. Well, OK, so really Sound came in 1928, 1929. So it is. Yeah. So like it is crazy kind of think about this first credit is silent film. But he plays Edward Wanderley. So he is the mayor of this town. And he has... They don't ever say if Don and David are twins, but I'm presuming they are because they're played by the same actor. They do their best to differentiate them. One
SPEAKER_02:has a little bit of a mustache.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, David has the mustache and the slicked back hair. He almost is like a precursor to Gordon Gekko in Wall Street, the way that they set him up. And then David... is the son that comes home after Don passes away. And so this is their dad. And then he also is portrayed in the flashback as the, if any one of those four was a real love interest of Eva, it was him.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:And he is the one that like Eva, so they're in a boat and he says like, I want you. And then they cut. He
SPEAKER_02:went by Ned, right?
SPEAKER_01:Ned.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So then they cut to them in bed. Presumably he wasn't able to perform. And he's...
SPEAKER_02:Boy, did it fucking affect him.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Like, like, holy shit.
SPEAKER_01:She does all the right things. She asks if he wants to try again. She sees that he's upset. She tells him it's not a big deal. He gets super upset with her. And then essentially, like, makes it seem to his buddies that they did... bone and
SPEAKER_02:he suggests that they did indeed have the
SPEAKER_01:sex yeah and um i'll i'll probably get through everybody in the cast before we kind of go down that path again but like
SPEAKER_02:in his word it was awesome
SPEAKER_01:Which is so... So I remember watching this for the first time, and when he used that word... Like,
SPEAKER_02:I
SPEAKER_01:don't think so. I was like... And I actually did some fact-checking. They did already use that word back then.
SPEAKER_02:Really? And
SPEAKER_01:I was like, that felt so out of place.
SPEAKER_02:That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And it felt so out of place, but I was like, it's historically accurate.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So... Good. Yeah. It's
SPEAKER_02:funny the things that take you out of the immersion in the midst of an actual ghost story.
SPEAKER_01:Right?
UNKNOWN:Like...
SPEAKER_02:I'm not sure about this ghost, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't say that word.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it did throw me. Like, almost any other word would have fit, but in any case. So Douglas Fairbanks Jr., some of his credits, Stella Dallas, The Jazz Age. I think I remember listening to a podcast, and this might have been when he met Joan Crawford, because I think she was in a couple of these movies. The Jazz Age, Party Girl. Some of these, again... the implication of what the title is, loose ankles. Loose ankles? So at a certain time in history, it was proper for women to cross their legs and the... What's the word I'm looking for? The position by which they defined proper sitting is that ankles are together.
SPEAKER_02:Ah, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01:So loose ankles...
SPEAKER_02:Keep those ankles tight.
SPEAKER_01:Yes,
SPEAKER_02:exactly. Got it.
SPEAKER_01:Little Caesar, Gunga Din. Like the pizza? Like the gangster. Oh. Yeah. Gunga Din, Angels Over Broadway, lots of TV appearances. Okay. Okay, so the final member of the Chowder Society, weird character name, Sears James. It's kind of a hard one to roll off the tongue.
SPEAKER_02:Sears. Yeah, they kept on saying, hey, Sears.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:What?
UNKNOWN:What?
SPEAKER_02:No one's...
SPEAKER_01:Nobody... I have never in my life met someone whose name is Sears, but...
SPEAKER_02:Sears Roebuck. Never met
SPEAKER_01:him. Is that the person's full name? I always assumed that that was like a mashup of two last names or something. But played by John Houseman. Mm-hmm. He has a really interesting filmography because... I'll bring him up in a second. A couple roles that I know him from, but really it seems like his first... real meaningful way of being in the industry was as a producer. Interesting. He has 50 acting credits, but he has 32 producing credits. And it was like a little bit later in life that really he started taking on more acting roles. But, and to this point, he has a Best Picture, so he's a producer on this, Best Picture Oscar nom for Julius Caesar, which was a 1954 film. So, big producer back in the day. Okay. These are all acting credits for him. Or no, no, no. I'm lying. No, no, no. I'm not lying. What? So I do have... These are all acting credits. So he was...
SPEAKER_02:Are you going to say the first one? I
SPEAKER_01:knew you were going to laugh. I knew you were going to laugh.
SPEAKER_02:Just say it.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. So this is not... You know I'm going to say it. This is not based on the way that we would perceive this phrase today. No. What's it called?
SPEAKER_02:Too Much Johnson.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And it was directed by...
SPEAKER_02:That I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Orson Welles.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:That's an interesting connection because the connection that I was suggesting is how Housemaid would get at least a couple roles that were originally intended for, or they had thought about it for Welles. I've heard that too. Yeah. Including this one.
SPEAKER_01:So, yeah. So he was in a film directed by Orson Welles, 1938. So preceding Citizen Kane.
SPEAKER_02:What was that one called? Too
SPEAKER_01:much Johnson. Got
SPEAKER_02:it, got it.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. So then this is when he, I think, kind of went on his stint of doing a lot of producing because there's a 26-year gap in his acting credits. So we go from 1938 to 1964. Wow. For a film called Seven Days in May. He is a Oscar winner. He gets Best Supporting Actor for the film you mentioned, The Paper Chase.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you know, he was great in it. I didn't care for that movie. It was okay.
SPEAKER_01:I've never seen it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think it felt like... I think it's perfect that a movie that feels like it's a little bit full of itself is about Harvard Law School.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's funny.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's why you saw it. Yeah. Law School? Yeah. Okay. Three Days of the Condor? The Fog? Oh, yeah. So he's the guy in the very beginning?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. That movie... That
SPEAKER_01:movie has so much potential. He does a lot of storytelling, doesn't he, in his films?
SPEAKER_02:He's fantastic at it, though.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's so good. He had an amazing voice. My Bodyguard, which seems a little kind of out of his normal overture. I don't know. Yeah. He was in the TV series, The Paper Chase, and he does reprise his role. That makes sense. So he's in that. So... a totally different generation, might know him as the grandfather in Silver Spoons. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:So he was that.
SPEAKER_02:Only 14 episodes?
SPEAKER_01:That's crazy.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Seems like maybe he would have been more. He was such a presence.
SPEAKER_02:He certainly was, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He was in Bright Lights, Big City. I'm very curious who he played in that film. I've never seen it, but the one with Michael J. Fox.
SPEAKER_02:Mr. Vogel.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Not helpful. I
SPEAKER_01:do. Of course, he has a very notable cameo in Scrooged as himself. And then also his final credit, although it was uncredited, is from The Naked Gun from The Files of Police Squad.
SPEAKER_02:Amazing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Okay, we are done with the Chowder Society for now. Moving on to, you mentioned him earlier, Craig Wasson. So he plays Don slash David. We already went over the physical differences that they tried to achieve between two brothers played by the same actor. But Craig Wasson.
SPEAKER_02:Just for listeners, in case you weren't sure exactly who it is, this would be the man, full frontal, naked, falling out a window. Within
SPEAKER_01:the first five minutes? of the movie? You bring up a really good point. This is not... If you just told me the plot of this film and who's in it, like Fred Astaire and Melvin Douglas, I would not think it had so much nudity.
SPEAKER_02:It's got a lot of nudity. Like at one point, it's like him playing with her boob with his foot in the tub. And we're like, what's happening? Yes!
SPEAKER_01:He's just like
SPEAKER_02:kicking her boob with
SPEAKER_01:his foot.
UNKNOWN:Yes! It's...
SPEAKER_01:Kind of wild. And in the first instance, well, okay, not true. You first see Alma. Just
SPEAKER_02:imagine that scene. Just imagine that scene like, no, kick it a little.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, there seemed to be a great deal of comfort between them. So hopefully they made her feel very secure on set because she's
SPEAKER_02:nude a lot. Yeah, like almost half the time.
SPEAKER_01:Sometimes in a totally non-necessary way, like where he wakes up and she's just sitting up in bed. she didn't have to be showing the boobies, but like she is. And anyway, like I know that there's a realism to it in a manner of speaking, but.
SPEAKER_02:Fair is fair. Cause like I said, you get full Don, full
SPEAKER_01:frontal. You get full Don. Yeah. And that is, yeah, it's, Wild. Okay. I'm, thank you for bringing that up because I just like, it was like, it is crazy how much nudity is in this film.
SPEAKER_02:It's like a very rude awakening when you're watching
SPEAKER_01:this movie. You're like, Oh wow. Okay. It's going to
SPEAKER_02:be like that.
SPEAKER_01:It's going to be like that. So Craig Watson and good for him for being like, you know, fair is fair. She, she shows it. I'll show it.
SPEAKER_02:Um, I don't know how they did that effect of him falling. Like it obviously like looked,
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah. It was
SPEAKER_02:jarring
SPEAKER_01:in terms of like, not great. Uh, Cause it's 81. Yeah. Whatever,
SPEAKER_02:whatever technique was like, Oh my God. They
SPEAKER_01:had to do something in camera for that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, I think I did– now that I'm remembering– I hope I'm not misremembering. I do think that I read somewhere that the actress– we'll get to her in a second– that she was made to feel, like, very– I know that the two younger actors, which is now who we're covering, they were very aware of who they were acting against. Yeah. And I think they both were, like, kind of in awe of the fact that they were– co-stars to these other actors, but that also, I think it was generally harmonious, I think. Well,
SPEAKER_02:that scene that we opened this podcast with is basically Don talking to all of
SPEAKER_01:them. Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So I do think that the older actors were gracious to the younger actors, and the younger actors had a lot of reverence for the older actors. So, Craig Wasson's still very much working. Some of his credits, the TV series Phyllis, So that was one of the spinoffs of Mary Tyler Moore's show. A show called Skag. Okay. Maybe I've seen it somewhere. Body Double. That's a film ostensibly we could cover. As well as A Nightmare on Elm Street 3, Dream Warriors. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that might be the other role that other people know him from. Yeah. The film called The Pornographer.
SPEAKER_02:Interesting. Interesting. What's that about?
SPEAKER_01:but he's not okay more recently akilah and the bee oh that was a film that had some notoriety a couple years ago sasquatch mountain
SPEAKER_02:sasquatch mountain
SPEAKER_01:yeah
SPEAKER_02:all right
SPEAKER_01:and then yes a lot of tv appearances all right moving on to our final actor actress however you want to actor can refer to male or female actor yeah alice krieg
SPEAKER_02:okay
SPEAKER_01:so she plays alma slash eva okay so to there
SPEAKER_02:is no alma
SPEAKER_01:i'm gonna here's the thing i'm gonna go through her filmography and then maybe this is a good place to talk about what i was alluding to in the opening minutes of our conversation about how this ghost works but alma is the present day woman that both Don and David had a relationship with. Which is interesting, because Alma sounds like the more old-school-y, old-timey name. It kind of does. But Eva is the woman from the 1930s who had the relationship with the younger Ned and was part of this company of these four men.
SPEAKER_02:Alma never existed. It was always Eva, and then for whatever reason...
SPEAKER_01:And we'll get into that.
SPEAKER_02:When she came back to haunt, she decided to call herself Alma.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. So Alice Krieg, very much working. I think I not even that long ago saw something where they did a piece on her and about her role in horror. So she has embraced it in a lot of ways. And also, so I'm not a Trekkie, but I'm sure a lot of people know her from a role that I'm about to bring up in a second. Some of her other credits include, now technically we could cover this film. Whether or not we ever do, that's another conversation. But she's in Chariots of Fire. She's in Barfly, which... Downer of a film.
SPEAKER_02:Pretty uplifting.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Oh. So she's in that. Here we go. So she's in the film Star Trek First Contact as the Borg Queen. I
SPEAKER_02:mean, I know the movies well enough, and I know First Contact. I didn't even realize that she was in that, but... Yeah, maybe I'll rewatch that and look out for the Borg queen.
SPEAKER_01:And as I was going through her filmography, there are several other Star Trek properties in which she reprises that role.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that makes
SPEAKER_01:sense. Yeah, so they pull her back in where I guess appropriate. It
SPEAKER_02:is funny that there'd be a Borg queen because the Borg is kind of like this collective consciousness almost where it's all about assimilation into these almost cyborg-ish things. anyways
SPEAKER_01:kind of and i'm not i'm probably gonna get a lot of heat if a certain like if certain truckies hear this but like it what you're reminding me of is a alien queen where it's like
SPEAKER_02:maybe that's what it's but like that's the uh
SPEAKER_01:yeah i don't
SPEAKER_02:know call that i'll call the action explain a board queen
SPEAKER_01:she's in the little vampire reign of fire a lot of notable tv work so she was in the show deadwood a show uh i'm guessing this is british mi5 isn't that their version of like the cia or something
SPEAKER_02:something like that
SPEAKER_01:she was in thorn the dark world so the worst of the thor movies oh
SPEAKER_02:the uh thor sequel yeah yeah yeah
SPEAKER_01:she was in uh the show the syndicate Another show, Tyrant. So she's part of this franchise. I think these are all Hallmark movies. So A Christmas Prince. Oh, God. A Christmas Prince colon The Royal Wedding. Mm-hmm. A Christmas Prince colon The Royal Baby. Okay. Probably more on deck for Hallmark's countdown to Christmas this year. I think I read that there's like 47 new original movies. They really fucking... swing for the fences during the countdown to christmas
SPEAKER_02:yeah it's like someone is gonna have like a job and it's not great but it will require travel to a nice little like small town during the christmas
SPEAKER_01:season plot lines i'm
SPEAKER_02:talking about every single one
SPEAKER_01:of the movies yeah and uh i find it hilarious because countdown to christmas starts october 18th so nope nope They're like, for all, which, you know what? They know their audience. They're like, for all you people out there who fucking hate Halloween, don't like all the scary, icky stuff, we got you.
SPEAKER_02:They sure do. That's who they're
SPEAKER_01:doing. So, okay. She was on the show, The OA, the film Gretel and Hansel.
SPEAKER_02:It's
SPEAKER_01:hard to reverse those.
SPEAKER_02:Let me just say a quick thing about The OA. Sure. That was kind of a bizarre show, a Netflix show, I believe, which... had like some interesting concepts to it, but in like hilarious and traditional Netflix fashion, it got the ax before you would ever get any resolution to the storyline. Yeah. So thank you. Thank you, Netflix.
SPEAKER_01:Said with sarcasm.
UNKNOWN:Hmm.
SPEAKER_01:She was in the 2022... Is this a reboot? I didn't see this one. Texas Chainsaw Massacre?
SPEAKER_02:It has to be,
SPEAKER_01:right? It has to be. Yeah. She was on the TV show Carnival Row. And then, yeah, she's very busy.
SPEAKER_02:One final series I just want to mention, because we watched this. I don't know why we stopped watching it, but do you remember The Alienist?
SPEAKER_01:We did stop, yeah. That
SPEAKER_02:was the guy's voice was
SPEAKER_01:just... He trailed off with... The
SPEAKER_02:Alienist was an interesting enough show, but... With
SPEAKER_01:David, no, Daniel something. He was the lead. Yeah, I mean, did we stop watching or did they just stop the
SPEAKER_02:show? Daniel Brule.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I don't know. We don't know. We stopped, yeah. We hopped off that train, but... Yeah, they probably just stopped just because of... It was just too
SPEAKER_01:stressful on his vocal cords. You know what I think it was? Okay, so maybe I'm mixing this up. I feel like we were coming off the high and also disappointment of... Penny Dreadful
SPEAKER_02:yeah
SPEAKER_01:and then that show was like oh maybe this is similar kind of
SPEAKER_02:similar period but it was
SPEAKER_01:not yeah and wasn't he like okay so he also was kind of it was like the precursor to oh fuck David Fincher yes yeah it was like that version but Victorian version of Manhunter very much so where he's trying to say hey there's like a scientific way of going after these people and he's trying to like figure out and then I presume it like coincides with the time period of Jack the Ripper.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, every episode probably has a line similar to, we must understand the reason for this behavior.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. So, always disappointed. Disappointed! Okay. So, this ghost.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It, like I said, maybe not smart to go down a rabbit hole of like, how does this work?
SPEAKER_02:We gotta read the book.
UNKNOWN:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Agreed. Yeah. But maybe it does have something to do with like, it seems like it, they don't ever say this, but they keep talking about 50 years ago. So maybe that triggered something that it's like the 50th anniversary of her passing. And.
SPEAKER_02:Possibly.
SPEAKER_01:But then it does seem in some ways totally arbitrary that they go on living their lives for 50 years. Yeah. And then all of a sudden this being comes back.
SPEAKER_02:What's. What's really interesting is that Alma appears, David dumps his girlfriend. Immediately. Fucking at the drop of a hat.
SPEAKER_01:Immediately. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Like the same day he walks over to her.
SPEAKER_01:Within 15 minutes of like, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And they hit it on real fast. you
SPEAKER_01:know. Very sexually charged relationship.
SPEAKER_02:Moving on to the bathtub scene where he just kind of like pulls her legs a
SPEAKER_01:little bit and she kind of like. I'm so glad you brought that
SPEAKER_02:up. She like gets dunked under the water and instead of coming back up She's just like, she's just there and then pops up just like screaming. It's, it's actually like kind of terrifying, but that one moment kind of
SPEAKER_01:triggers.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Something in her to where she suddenly becomes aware or it feels that the movie is telling us that she is now aware of this like prior life or the fact that she's a ghost.
SPEAKER_01:And I think you're right that the book maybe will explain that because a lot is left to what we're doing right now, our interpretation of what that all means. Yeah. Because it's like, look, okay, so maybe she's a ghost, but she has an apartment. Yeah. Like a fully furnished apartment. She has a job. When
SPEAKER_02:I'm dead and a ghost, I don't want to pay rent.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like there's obviously something corporeal.
SPEAKER_02:Sure. I know what you're saying. I always say things wrong.
SPEAKER_01:There's something... There is something very flesh and blood about her. Tangible, visceral.
SPEAKER_02:Like, she exists as a real person.
SPEAKER_01:Even though... She
SPEAKER_02:decorated.
SPEAKER_01:Both brothers say that she's, like, ice cold. You fucking had sex with her multiple times. Like, there's nothing more flesh and blood than that. You know, like...
SPEAKER_02:Maybe just the hot bath like wormed her up. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:So there, it is a really kind of confusing, like, how is this working? She's not a ghost in the traditional sense. And, and so.
SPEAKER_02:Except when she is.
SPEAKER_01:Except when she, and that's, that's just it. Is that, okay, so what's happening here? Because she goes from being ostensibly this flesh and blood person, which is, I'm like, are we talking like a reincarnation here? Where like, yes, that moment where he pulls her into the tub.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:All of a sudden there's this like recognition of something that maybe happened to her in a previous
SPEAKER_02:life? It's that same night when the scene that you mentioned where she's just like sitting there staring at him in
SPEAKER_01:bed. She's like catatonic.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And then she starts saying that line that...
SPEAKER_01:And then she gets super weird because like... But then there still seems to be some kind of like awareness on her part because he keeps saying, tell me about you. What's your life like? And she's very coy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So it's like she does kind of know that she was this other person.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And so it's kind of confusing. Like, what's happening here? What's the recognition? What's the mortal versus supernatural? We
SPEAKER_02:desperately needed, like, a narrator in the background giving us something.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. It is really confusing in that way. And then again, like, why now?
SPEAKER_02:Because even if the tub triggered something, well, why did Alma appear in the first place?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02:You know, because it was obviously... something where she's targeting the son of one of the men that was responsible for her death
SPEAKER_01:and that's just it too is that it's like okay so maybe the rationale is like going after loved ones because that would hurt you more
SPEAKER_02:yeah
SPEAKER_01:but it's like why go after the sons who she are innocent in this they didn't have anything to do with what their dad did
SPEAKER_02:yeah it seemed like she she really was she like needed him to get back to the small town
SPEAKER_01:yeah it's not really
SPEAKER_02:just show up in that town
SPEAKER_01:yeah just show up
SPEAKER_02:she can show
SPEAKER_01:up because then is she eventually does and then she brings in those two like kind of mentally ill like the brother and the younger brother but
SPEAKER_02:like she doesn't really show up in a like a substantial form until the son comes back
SPEAKER_01:True.
SPEAKER_02:Because of his twin's death.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe it's like a vampire kind of thing. You got to be invited. She needed, she needed to attach to something.
SPEAKER_02:Somehow she, maybe it was that locket. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe. She had
SPEAKER_02:something to get back in the town. This is going into a deep dive.
SPEAKER_01:No, but this is what is so interesting because it, and then it is like, why now? And then also what's really interesting is like, so she goes after the adult sons of Ned. Maybe it ends up being Ned's kids because she did, if she had any real relationship with any of the four, it was Ned. That's fair. But then also it's like...
SPEAKER_02:He is responsible for almost everything that happened.
SPEAKER_01:He pushes her. He's the one that causes her to hit her head. That starts off the chain of events. But it is weird. We'll get to the flashback scene specifically in a second. But... Between like, so with everything that we just talked about too, it's like, so did none of the other three guys have kids? Did that not matter anyway? Because it was always going to be like, you have to get to the group through Ned. Like a lot of questions.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So Elvis Creek, she does a great job.
SPEAKER_02:She does. She's
SPEAKER_01:wonderful. And then also that does, after he pulls her under the tub, totally changes her behavior. Yeah. Like she goes from being kind of this like very coy, very like sexually whatever, to just being like, again, sometimes totally catatonic, being very moody. You know, like she...
SPEAKER_02:If they had only ever taken showers, they may have just lived happily ever after.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Synopsis. Don't ever go swimming.
SPEAKER_01:Film synopsis. Two generations of men find themselves haunted by the presence of a spectral woman. When the son of one of the elderly men returns to his hometown after his brother's mysterious death, they attempt to unravel her story. The thing is, they know her story.
SPEAKER_02:They do.
SPEAKER_01:Charter Society, they know her story.
SPEAKER_02:They spent the whole damn movie covering it up.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So, okay. So before we get... I think this will be a good place to... Yeah. Yeah. Where, like, he and Ned both seem like, yeah, they're upset. But, like, they have this, like, stiff upper lip kind of, like, New England-ly, waspy type way of dealing with things. But then he loses his brother and his dad. In,
SPEAKER_02:like, a week.
SPEAKER_01:Same week. And he's not destroyed. That's the last of his immediate family. Like, they're gone. Yeah. His mom had died long ago. Yeah. That's it. I thought there'd be maybe a little bit more grieving. But maybe he's too concerned with this. I get it. Maybe he's just too concerned with the ghost.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, I just wanted to put that on record, I guess.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I appreciate that his character was like, we got a fucking movie to get through. No time, no
SPEAKER_01:time. I got a ghost story to tell. We got this flashback to get into. Okay, so it is a movie of almost two parts. Because the first half is, I said this last night, it's a lot of setting up the world and a lot of setting up what will be this extended flashback. I wish we would have clocked how long it was because the flashback is like, what, at least a half hour? At least, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty long. And this is where, for me at least... I come to really kind of hate every single member of the Chowder Society.
SPEAKER_02:They're not meant to be, like, sympathetic, really. I mean, they're these old guys that are suffering, so at the beginning you're kind of like, oh, that's sad, but then they should, you know, it's deserved. They should suffer. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, what they did was awful.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe that was also then intentional, because, like, the pacing's kind of uneven because of... the structure of the film but maybe then that was also completely intentional because it like gets you essentially on the side of these guys because you don't know what they did yet
SPEAKER_02:yeah
SPEAKER_01:and it gets you to like them and also maybe then it was totally intentional with the casting too like who doesn't love Fred Astaire you know so they do everything they can to get you to be on the side of the chowder society. Although John Houseman from the jump seems like kind of an asshole. So you're like, he has, I don't know, something about him is fishy. I
SPEAKER_02:think he, I think he is. He even says like earlier in that scene that we had for the intro about how he's old and rude.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. He does say that
SPEAKER_02:about himself. So, so
SPEAKER_01:now we go into this flashback where we learn how these four guys meet Eva and they, very quickly, all four of them are, like, weirdly obsessed with her.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And it is really interesting to me because, again, going back to what I was saying earlier, if we were doing the math, if the film is set in 1981 or the book, late 70s, whenever he wrote it, we're talking about either very late 1920s or early 1930s where they are presumably in high society because they see her while they're at, like, a musical event recital everybody's dressed a certain way upper crust obviously all white um even among that society they say oh she's really rich so she's even more one percenter than they are but we don't know anything about her background and she obviously is like not american yeah so she's in town she says for the summer she rents this house and over the course of the summer what we surmise from this like kind of quick montage of them all hanging out is that over the course of a couple days or weeks or whatever all four guys are just like in love with her however something actually sparks between her and Ned so that leads to the scene where like I was shocked honestly the first time I saw this film that they tried to consummate their relationship which maybe that speaks to what people did behind closed doors even in that time you know versus like the way that we perceive that era
SPEAKER_02:yeah
SPEAKER_01:So maybe that's very realistic, but they don't consummate the relationship. And even though even preceding that scene, and sorry, I want to give you a chance to talk, but as a woman, I was already so uncomfortable with the way that they acted around her. It felt really just like, almost suffocating to me to see these four guys be with her and just the way they looked at her and...
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it was super uncomfortable basically the entire time. And, I mean, you know what movie you're watching. You know that something happens. It's just a matter of, like, waiting to see what's actually going to happen, which just made it worse. But, I mean, all of the younger versions... like we mentioned before, they acted like they, they had never like been around a woman ever in their life. It was just really like weirdly bizarre, awkward. And like at times I don't, I don't think predatory is necessarily the right word because I don't think any of them knew what they were doing,
SPEAKER_01:but really creepy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Like they didn't. Yeah. Yeah. No, extraordinarily creepy. And the moment when, um, They're like frolicking. There was a lot of frolicking in these backflashes when they, when Ned falls on top of her on the blanket and the rest of the guys like run, run off. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to go run off with them too.
SPEAKER_01:And he just leaves her.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So weird, weird, weird. So then when they weren't able to actually like have anything happen where he wasn't able to, You're not super surprised because it's just like at this point, okay, it's just more and more of this uncomfortableness with these characters. I just... I don't understand then how it gets from that to him lying about actually having sex and saying it was awesome to then... Is it just because they were drunk and
SPEAKER_01:kids? Oh, it makes total sense to me. And
SPEAKER_02:they were like, well, now we're all going to go over
SPEAKER_01:there in the middle of the night. Yeah, no, it makes total sense to me. I totally get that he's trying to cover for his whatever, masculinity. He lets them think that they... I mean, he does say it was awesome.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Obviously, he didn't feel that way before. in the moment in the room with her, but he lets them think that they had sex. They're all getting drunk. Like I just felt this dread.
SPEAKER_02:So they all think like, Oh, she's down to have sex. So like, what's just all, I
SPEAKER_01:don't know. That's actually really interesting though, because like if he had not said to them or made them think that, that yes, they had sex the way that they thought of her, because it's really clear what Sears thinks of her. Cause he calls her a slut.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And, and so I think that, Even if they hadn't gone away for a little bit of time under the pretense that they were going to have sex, I think they would have still all gotten drunk that night and they would have maybe even still all gone over there. Yeah. I think that was going to happen no matter what. But then there's this weird shift in the energy because... he has presumably like taken her and they all have crushes on her. Yeah. And then, and, and also it shows you in that scene where they come back to her house and the like lighthearted or what's supposed to be portrayed as lighthearted montage where they're all just hanging out. She seems very innocent, but then when they finally come back to their house, it's really clear. She's well aware.
SPEAKER_02:She knows what's happening.
SPEAKER_01:She knows what's happening. She knows how they all feel about her. Like she's not an idiot.
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_01:And she, this is not victim blaming, but like, man, she should have shut the door on them. She lets them all come in. And then she's, she's straight up not having a good time, but she's like, yeah, I'll dance with you. You know, like she's just, I don't know why, honestly, other than like, okay, maybe,
SPEAKER_02:maybe this is all going to turn out. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Somehow. I'm not sure why she appeased them, but, Maybe there was still societal pressure, being a woman, wanting to be accommodating and whatever, but she's going through the motions of these stupid dances with these idiot drunk guys.
SPEAKER_02:Except for Ricky, who couldn't dance.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, which, that was great.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that was fun.
SPEAKER_01:That's great. That
SPEAKER_02:was not in the book, because in the book, the character was not Fred Astaire.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So that was a great little kind of wink to the audience. But then... You know, eventually she makes it clear that she's kind of over it. The one thing I'll say for Ned is that he actually says, let's go.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He picks up what she's putting down. And
SPEAKER_02:none of them move.
SPEAKER_01:None of them move. John and Ricky because they're just too fucking drunk. They're
SPEAKER_02:so trashers
SPEAKER_01:giggling like idiots. They don't really understand. But I think they would have laughed if it wasn't for Sears. And then that's when Sears really shows his assholery. If
SPEAKER_02:anyone had like a predatory type of nature about them it was for sure Sears.
SPEAKER_01:100%.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. He was there to do something.
SPEAKER_01:And that's when it just like the dread level goes to 100. Because that's when he insists I'm getting my dance. That's when she pushes back finally. They have a conference where he calls her a slut, she slaps him. Then she's like, oh, we're gonna do this? Okay. And she's about to tell them, we didn't fucking have sex.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He couldn't get it up. And then because of his ego, Ned pushes her. She hits her head. They think she's dead.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:That's when it gets even worse.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Because Sears literally... from the second that he's aware of what's happened, doesn't care. He doesn't care at all that they just killed somebody. He just immediately is, no, we need to cover it up.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah,
SPEAKER_01:exactly. No hesitation whatsoever.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And even when they're telling this flashback, he still has no remorse because he says to David, we would have only ruined four more lives. That's all he cares about is that their lives would have been ruined if they had gone to the police. He gives no fucks whatsoever about this person.
SPEAKER_02:He is not a sympathetic character. He's
SPEAKER_01:a fucking douche. Well,
SPEAKER_02:he's way worse than that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Ricky and John, they don't like this idea at all. And honestly, Ned doesn't either, but he just steamrolls them.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. No, they're cowards.
SPEAKER_01:They're cowards. So then they decide to drop the car in a pond. It's sinking, and she wakes up.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's awful.
SPEAKER_01:So it goes from worst to worst to the worst. And she wakes up. She's screaming for help. Car sinks. Ned makes a half-ass attempt to go after her. um i have no idea how deep this ponder lake was there probably was a couple minutes where he could have actually gone in and we're not talking about a fucking tesla cyber truck like he could have probably pried open the door and gotten her but he doesn't
SPEAKER_02:yeah that'd be a very different kind of uh it's tough to have a ghost story without a ghost
SPEAKER_01:yeah yeah i know i know but anyway they just all show themselves to be Awful.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I,
SPEAKER_02:I, you know, you touched on this earlier. I think it's, it's like, uh, just desserts that they all, they all died in various ways based off of, um, you know, there are interactions with their ghosts. How, how the fuck did Ricky survive? He there, look, there was, there was no reason for it. Like I would have been fine if everyone dies except for, uh, was it Don? Yeah. Because Don, Don
SPEAKER_01:has... The son. The other son.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Don has some explaining to do to his girlfriend, I guess. Yeah. Like, he did
SPEAKER_01:her wrong. David. David. David is the one we follow. Don is the... Damn it. Don's the one
SPEAKER_02:who falls at the beginning.
SPEAKER_01:Don is Gordon Gekko.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. So, like, David surviving makes sense. Like, he didn't really cross lines in the way that, like, everyone else very much did. But... Ricky's character. I'm like, no, you should like, come on.
SPEAKER_01:The only thing I think of is like, it's Fred Astaire that they cast. I don't know how much it's changed from the book.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Maybe all four of them do die. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, but also the only thing I can say is that he was of anybody in it. Well, that's not true. John very clearly wanted to talk about what had happened and they shut him down.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, the vengeful spirit thing always comes back to where there's like a cover up and there's like a body in a lake or something because when they unearthed or brought up the car that her corpse was still in, honestly, that was one of the best effects in the movie.
SPEAKER_01:Shout out to Dick Smith. Yeah. He did a great job. That was
SPEAKER_02:fantastic looking.
SPEAKER_01:Sometimes we, especially during the Halloween series, we'll bring up The practicals. And, yeah, he's obviously a titan in terms of, like, that part of filmmaking. So, yes.
SPEAKER_02:But once that happened, once they, like, brought her up from under the water, then it just, like, rapidly deteriorated. And apparently the curse had been lifted.
SPEAKER_01:And credit. Yeah. Exactly.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I, yeah, I think that, like, the only reason maybe Ricky survives is because it does seem like he is remorseful. However, they lived 50 years of, presumably, it seems like all of them were successful in their own ways. Like, I don't know what's going to happen to Ricky. Is he going to get arrested? Is he going to, like, what's going to happen to him? Because now everybody knows, like... it's out there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, there might be some questions like, uh, Hey Rick, how'd you know that this was here? And
SPEAKER_01:also I was like, uh, even if he's like a high standing member of that community, uh, The fact that he was able to get a tow truck and all that there so quickly, I don't think that would happen.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, well, we'll just have to catch up on all that in Ghost Story 2.
SPEAKER_01:And also, so we know without doubt that both Ned and Jon die. Oh, yeah. Sears is a little bit ambiguous because he goes into a snow... What is it called? Snow... Drift? Yeah, that's fine. And then the one little homeless kid... is in the backseat and attacks him. Presumably he dies. It was kind of like... Isn't his name also Ned from Jurassic Park? Oh,
SPEAKER_02:maybe.
SPEAKER_01:With the... Oh, Nedry. Nedry. Yeah, he gets attacked in the car. It was weird. That's what it made me think of. I
SPEAKER_02:mean, if it's Houseman versus the kid, my... My vote is still for Houseman. I think he could take that kid down. I don't know what...
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so we don't know with certainty that he died, but probably. Yeah. So I'm just going off of, like, Ricky's the only one who survived. And it's really questionable whether or not he should.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I don't even think it's questionable.
SPEAKER_01:So, yeah, they're all really icky. And also, it's kind of... Icky Ricky? Yeah, it's kind of an interesting commentary on, like... What is being talked about today in terms of privileged white men who get away with shit?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at least there were consequences for most of them.
SPEAKER_01:When they were already fucking knocking on death's door. I mean, come on. How much time did Melvin Douglas really have left?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So, you know, they got to live their lives. The
SPEAKER_02:wheels of justice. Yeah. Moved slow indeed.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Glacially slow. In any case, it's a really interesting film. I'm glad that we finally covered it. Yeah. And...
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Credits.
SPEAKER_01:Credits. So, call to action. I mean, I'm very curious how many people know about this movie. Oh, really? Again, I don't remember how it came on my radar. I didn't know about it forever. I mean, that maybe is not saying much, but... I find it really interesting. I think people who are into horror maybe have a sense of it. But, like, you know, I think a lot of people would be surprised to think that an actor like Fred Astaire was in this film. So I'm just curious. I want to know who knows about this movie. I'm
SPEAKER_02:still surprised, and I've seen it a couple times now. I'm like, oh, yeah, Fred Astaire. Holy
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SPEAKER_02:What's
SPEAKER_01:up?
SPEAKER_02:What do we got?
SPEAKER_01:It's the last. It's the last film of the Halloween series this year.
SPEAKER_02:Well, we could always just rebrand the whole thing as 80s Horror Montage.
SPEAKER_01:Ooh, that's an idea. Yeah. And in any case, for now, we'll stick with this being the Halloween series. But, okay, Clue. Hmm. We've already
SPEAKER_02:covered that one.
SPEAKER_01:Ha ha ha. Um, shoot. Who could, I mean, okay, I don't, maybe this one. Jamie Lee Curtis.
SPEAKER_02:Prom night? Yeah! It's probably not Halloween, too, because we already covered that. I
SPEAKER_01:mean, we could do the fog.
SPEAKER_02:That's true, yeah. Well, I guessed right.
SPEAKER_01:She's in Terror Train, or maybe it's not called Terror Train.
SPEAKER_02:Train of Terror?
SPEAKER_01:Train of Terror. No, but there's another one. Train to
SPEAKER_02:Terrorville?
SPEAKER_01:Because she had a good run. I don't know if she really wanted to be in so many horror films.
SPEAKER_02:Terror Train
SPEAKER_01:2, off the rails. And I'm just buying time because I want to see if this movie is actually in the 80s or not. But let's see. It's going to take me a minute. But anyway, it is Prom Night. Okay. Which is another one. What the hell was it called? Terror... Yeah, it is called Terror Train.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And it's 1980.
SPEAKER_02:And that is not the
SPEAKER_01:movie that we're going to cover. She had a very busy 1980 with horror films because The Fog, Prom Night, and Terror Train are all 1980.
SPEAKER_02:Amazing.
SPEAKER_01:But we are doing Prom Night. I'm super excited to do this one. I have
SPEAKER_02:seen it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We saw it together.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but it's been a while.
SPEAKER_01:It's been maybe a couple years, but... It was a really fun film that I was like, oh yeah, this is now, like this is on my rotation. Like in September and October, I kind of just have horror films on back to back while I'm like working and stuff.
SPEAKER_02:It's true.
SPEAKER_01:And this one is one of those that I think is a really interesting, I'm not saying it's great, but it's a really interesting slasher. And I am looking forward to covering
SPEAKER_02:it. I am too.
SPEAKER_01:And that'll be the finale for this year. But that's okay. We'll always have next year. So on that note, thank you to everybody for taking the time to listen to our podcast. So many choices out there. And we really appreciate you choosing to tune in with ours. And we will talk to you again in two weeks' time.