'80s Movie Montage
Breaking down our favorite decade of flicks. Hosted by Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke.
'80s Movie Montage
Willow
In the first episode of season six, Anna and Derek ask what made Elora Danan such a special baby besides a birthmark, why Queen Bavmorda was looking so dang rough at the end, and much more during their discussion of the Ron Howard and George Lucas collab Willow (1988).
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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.
I am a powerful sorcerer. See this acorn? I'll throw it at you and turn you to stone.
SPEAKER_00:I'm really scared. No, don't! Don't! There's
SPEAKER_04:a peck here with an acorn pointed at me! I wouldn't want to waste it.
SPEAKER_00:Hello and welcome to 80s Movie Montage. This is Derek.
SPEAKER_02:And this is Anna.
SPEAKER_00:And that was Val Kilmer and Warwick Davis in 1988's Willow.
SPEAKER_02:Wow.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I sped it up a little bit. You sped it up. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:For our
SPEAKER_00:first episode of 2025. Season six.
SPEAKER_02:Season six.
SPEAKER_00:Either way.
SPEAKER_02:Either way. Yeah. But yeah, it's our first episode. Season six. Okay. Yeah. All right. We've been doing this for a minute. Yeah. Okay. And with that fanfare. That's more like it. Yeah. Willow. I had not seen this in a while.
SPEAKER_00:I feel like we had it on maybe within the last couple years, but I haven't really paid attention to it from start to finish. And I realized in doing so that Kid Me, when I first saw it, was just happy to see this kind of movie.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And then a couple years ago, just having it on in the background, I don't think I noticed that this is basically like a mashup of The Hobbit, Star Wars, and Indiana Jones.
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00:Including the music.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Several times we were like, why does this sound so familiar?
SPEAKER_00:I'm not really mad about it, but I don't think I noticed it quite as keenly. No, I'm not mad
SPEAKER_02:about it. Maybe it's a bit of an homage. I don't know if... It's
SPEAKER_00:Lucas, so...
SPEAKER_02:Well, yes and no. I mean, he produced it and he has a story credit, but I don't know if he's like, hey... You know, my good friend John Williams makes music kind of like that. Like, I don't know. I don't know. But in any case, Willow, before we jump in, just because we don't normally cover these categories, so I just wanted to give a shout out that it is an Oscar nominated film.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:The two Oscars for which it got nominations were, this makes sense to me, first was Best Effects Sound Effects Editing.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know if they actually have that specific category anymore. And best effects, visual effects.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Makes sense. Yeah, it does. I mean, there was a lot going on. And I think at one point I read that they didn't intend it to be a, quote, effects movie. But if you're doing like a dark fantasy or high fantasy movie. It's going to happen.
SPEAKER_02:Especially when they're battling, what's the name of the creature? specifically? Is it just like a dragon? That
SPEAKER_00:three-headed thing? Yeah, yeah. I have no idea what that was. I don't know. I
SPEAKER_02:don't remember what it's called. But very much like, well, what did you say it reminded you of? Because then I was like, oh, it reminds me of Return of the Jedi. Oh,
SPEAKER_00:I mean, yeah, there were parts that reminded me of like Star Wars bits. And I think you even said that like Mad Mardigan was kind of like a He's kind of like a
SPEAKER_02:Han Solo.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly, yeah. So it gave me, it reminded me a lot of like, is this just a remake of like a Lord of the Rings-ish kind of thing? I mean,
SPEAKER_02:we do have to circle back to the fact that it is originated from a George Lucas story. So it's like... In any case, and yeah, he's the first person we're going to talk about here. I don't know if you mentioned, I think you did, actually. So this is 1988. Yes. So getting towards the end of the decade, and we do have two writing credits. The first, what's the last time we talked about him? I guess it was at this point, since technically this is season six. Last time we brought him up was in season four with Krishna. Okay. When we did Empire Strikes Back. Yeah. He has a story by credit. So what is hilarious is that the last time we brought him up, which at this point, just a touch over a year ago, because we did Empire Towards the Tailend of season four. At that point, I think I had written that he had like about 180 writing credits. Now it's over 200. And
SPEAKER_00:he's done nothing.
SPEAKER_02:It's like closer to like 215, just because...
SPEAKER_00:All the series, all the Star Wars based series. Yeah, it is
SPEAKER_02:like absolutely wired and a little bit of sprinkling in of Indiana Jones as well.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's a good point. Because a couple of
SPEAKER_02:things have come up since the last time we talked
SPEAKER_00:about him too. Yeah. Did he get a credit for the game? Yeah, he did.
SPEAKER_02:So yeah, it is absolutely wild. No wonder this man is like a billionaire. It's kind of insane. Story by credit for this. So I am not going through 200 story credits. If you want to go to his IMDB, you'll see that the vast majority are for either Star Wars or It's some kind of connection to the Star Wars franchise or it's some kind of connection to the Indiana Jones franchise.
SPEAKER_00:Any animated series, any live action series, any video game series. Like
SPEAKER_02:anything.
SPEAKER_00:Anything that's based on those, you'll find it under his name with a story by credit.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. Yeah. So the ones that I'm going to bring up, what kind of was his very first... I don't know. I guess like really early in his career, I think even while he was still maybe in film school, he initially did the short Electronic Labyrinth THX 1138 4EB. That became the film THX 1138, from which THX, the sound system, gets its name.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I have no idea what the... I don't know what it stands for. How are the demo of our listeners break down? But if you're old enough to have gone in a movie theater when some of these movies- Oh, it's so cool. Yeah, you would just have like a religious experience.
SPEAKER_02:I can't even do it. It was so cool when that came on the screen.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it was a whole thing.
SPEAKER_02:And then he actually is Oscar nominated because he got a Best Original Screenplay. This is even before Star Wars. Got a Best Original Screenplay for American Graffiti. He also got a Best Director nomination for that same film. Then, of course, Star Wars completely changes cinema history as we know it. He did also– same nominations. He did get a Best Original Screenplay for A New Hope as well as Best Director.
SPEAKER_00:Otherwise known as Star Wars back then.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Whatever.
SPEAKER_02:Although, I mean, even when you're watching the film– It does– yeah. It does say A New Hope. Yeah. So anyway– And he also has writing credit for, like I said, I'm just listing like the first because I kicked it all off for Raiders and everything subsequent. And outside of Willow, really the only other thing that has no connection to the franchise is Radioland Murders. Oh, okay. Yeah. So the screenplay was written by a gentleman named Bob Dolman. And I mean, some interesting credits to his name. I thought this was really interesting because it seems like he– Definitely had his hand in comedy. Wait, Bob Dole wrote this?
SPEAKER_00:Dolman. Oh.
SPEAKER_02:So like SNL, SCTV, which is kind of like the Canadian version, he has writing credits for... a show that was called SCTV Network as well as SCTV Channel. Okay. And then a couple films. This is interesting. And this was another Ron Howard film. He wrote Far and Away, vastly different than that.
SPEAKER_00:Very much so.
SPEAKER_02:The Banger Sisters. I remember seeing that. How to Eat Fried Worms. And then I don't... I guess I did know that they briefly had a Willow TV series that... Went away. Yeah. And he had writing credits on that.
SPEAKER_00:I haven't seen any of those series. I haven't either. I don't know what it's about. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Warwick Davis did come back for it. In fact, a couple people did.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So directed by... I think this is so interesting. I wonder... I'm not trying to throw anything out there. I wonder what the working relationship was between Ron Howard and George Lucas. Because that's an interesting mashup to me. I don't think they've collaborated again.
SPEAKER_01:But
SPEAKER_02:Ron Howard... extremely well-known director. Also, Richie Cunningham. At this point, he... I hope he doesn't take offense to anybody still saying that.
SPEAKER_00:I wonder if he takes more offense to Richie Cunningham or Opie.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I don't really... That's even more old school. I mean, Opie's not our time, but... It's not, but, like,
SPEAKER_00:reruns of the Andy Griffith show.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean, I remember just, like, reruns of Happy Days with Richie Cunningham, so... But he did pivot and pivoted very successfully into directing and producing, for that matter. So I have... We brought him up a little bit ago. A couple times, actually. But he's had a couple more credits added to his name since the last time we brought him up. So I will go through them. I have all films. He's been pretty... What? The film. Oh. He did the film. Yeah, Grand Theft Auto. Night Shift. Oh, okay. Which we did with David, so go check that one out, as well as Splash.
SPEAKER_00:That's the one. Okay. That's when I'm like, I think I know which one. That was it.
SPEAKER_02:We did both those. Splash was with Kelsey. Obviously, I've gone on and on about how much I love that movie. Go check that one out as well. There are definitely other films of his that we can cover on the podcast. Cocoon. Which I think at some point we'd probably do. Yeah, we should. Gung-ho. Eh, maybe. Why not? We'll see. Parenthood. I definitely do want to do that at some point. Now we're getting into the 90s. Backdraft. I think that was like the film that really put him on the map as a, I don't know, serious director. Yeah. That got a lot of acclaim.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it had like a whole experience at Universal. It
SPEAKER_02:did. I
SPEAKER_00:remember it.
SPEAKER_02:He directed Far and Away. So like I said, he had collaborated again with Dolman.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Then he does Apollo 13, which I love that movie. I mean, anytime that's on.
SPEAKER_00:It's a great movie. It's a
SPEAKER_02:great movie. He did Ed TV, so a little bit of a departure. He goes back to comedy. He did How the Grinch Stole Christmas. How the Grinch Stole Christmas?
UNKNOWN:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:One of them. There's so many of them.
SPEAKER_02:There are several
SPEAKER_00:at this point. Which one did he do? Was it the Jim Carrey live action one? Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So now, finally, he gets Oscar recognition. He wins Best Director for Beautiful Mind. He also produced on that. So he is part of the group that wins Best Picture because that was Best Picture for 2000? 2001? Yeah. 2000. No, Gladiator was 2000. 2001, I
SPEAKER_00:think. 2001. Russell Crowe, though.
SPEAKER_02:He had a great turn of the century. Yeah. Which he then also directed Cinderella Man, which has Russell Crowe in it. He does... We have this movie on all the time if it's on TV.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there's something about it that's like... There's
SPEAKER_02:something about it that's kind of cozy.
SPEAKER_00:Which is such a weird thing to say about a movie with like the... self-harming albino guy yeah right
SPEAKER_02:flagellating
SPEAKER_00:yeah and then you got you got to somehow navigate around um hanks's haircut of
SPEAKER_02:course we're talking about the
SPEAKER_00:da vinci code yeah yeah i don't think he actually said it when i mentioned hanks haircut everyone knew
SPEAKER_02:uh i mean it's a different look for him but yeah i don't know what it is about that movie that is just like kind of it's like just kind of a weird comfort film.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it is weird. And
SPEAKER_02:we both feel that way. It's very bizarre, but we have, like anytime it's on, we just keep it on.
SPEAKER_00:I have not seen any of the other movies. No. In part because I think that Like the books, they don't really connect in a way where I'm like, I need to see this. Anyways.
SPEAKER_02:But good point you brought up because then he did also direct Angels and Demons and Inferno, which is all part of that. I don't, oh gosh, I'm so sorry. I don't remember the original writer of that, of those works. Dan Brown?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Maybe?
SPEAKER_00:Maybe.
SPEAKER_02:So he did all those and then he gets more Oscar attention. Nominations, he did not win, but he did get a nomination for Best Director as well as Best Picture again because he produced on Frost-Nixon.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. So he
SPEAKER_02:did that. And then more recently, Rush. I guess he must like working because isn't Chris Hemsworth both in Rush and in In the Heart of the Sea? I
SPEAKER_00:think he's in both those. He's definitely in Rush. I don't know about In the Heart of the Sea.
SPEAKER_02:So he does... I feel bad because he came on this late. There was... I'm not going to go down the rabbit hole, but I think it was what a duo, a directing duo that got fired off of Solo or they left it. I don't remember if they got fired or they left Rush. because of creative differences. But he stepped in and did the rest of Solo, a Star Wars story, which, honestly, given the caliber of director that he is, he didn't have to do that shit. Like, he must love the story. Like, he must love the franchise. Because that was going to be a really difficult job for anybody to
SPEAKER_00:step into. I really like that movie, actually. Yeah. I mean, the one-offs for, I guess not the hate, but... kind of the tepid reception that some of them received, I think are better than some of the sequels that we got and some of the series that we got. Rogue One is fantastic.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:No, it's an
SPEAKER_02:amazing
SPEAKER_00:film. I think Howard, whatever his involvement was, Solo was a fun Star Wars story. It's all I needed it to be. Got to see the Kessel Run. Cool.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And then they give us like a cut in half Darth Maul at the very end and no sequel.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah, now that I'm remembering that. So he directed that, Hillbilly Elegy. Oh, yeah. And most recently, Jim Henson, Idea Man.
SPEAKER_00:Oh,
SPEAKER_02:okay. Yeah. Okay, so moving on to cinematography, Adrian Biddle. He's unfortunately no longer with us. He passed away in 2005 of a heart attack, which I feel very strongly his filmography would be much, much longer at this point had he not passed away. Because he had an amazing run while he was with us. And so this isn't the first time we've brought him up. In fact, he's come up a couple times. His very first cinematography credit was for Aliens.
SPEAKER_00:Amazing. Amazing. First. I mean,
SPEAKER_02:obviously he'd been working before then, but that's a pretty strong way to come into the industry. Yes. So he does that. We also talked about him for The Princess Bride.
SPEAKER_00:Not a bad couple of years.
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_00:Aliens and The Princess Bride.
SPEAKER_02:He was an Oscar-nominated DP. And this makes sense to me. He got a Best Cinematography nomination for Thelma and Louise.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Which- I don't know if people talk about it in this way a lot, but I do think it's a beautifully shot film. It's a really, I mean, it's kind of like, duh, because it's a movie, but it's a very cinematic looking film. A lot of films aren't, but it's like when you take into account, you know, the journey, the physical, the actual journey that they're going on and like the landscapes and like, it's all captured in a very stunning way. He does, or did, 1492, Conquest of Paradise. He also did both of the, not the Emma Stone, but the Glenn Close Dalmatians movies. So 101 Dalmatians and 102 Dalmatians. Fierce Creatures, Event Horizon. He did a movie that we also love, the 1999 The Mummy. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:That's so... Man, that movie is so good.
SPEAKER_02:So good. He comes back for The Mummy Returns. Not as good,
SPEAKER_00:but... Still pretty good.
SPEAKER_02:Still okay. The kid is just bizarre. I don't understand that casting choice at all.
SPEAKER_00:They just had to have a kid.
SPEAKER_02:That kid did not work. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to be so mean about that. But that kid was not
SPEAKER_00:good. I mean, his performance wasn't the problem as much as like... How much time has passed? Is this even your kid? It
SPEAKER_02:was a lot of time to have passed. They didn't even need to have a kid. It could have just been three of them again with Evie and Fraser and the brother. It could have just been three of them again.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well then, I mean, look. The whole thing with them and the kid is just fantastic to watch when you consider what you have to watch slog through the rest of the franchise. I
SPEAKER_02:know. He shot The World is Not Enough, and then his final credit was V for Vendetta. Okay. Unfortunately, we're moving on to somebody else who's passed away, James Horner. So we kind of alluded to him in the beginning of the episode. So prolific composer.
UNKNOWN:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Very famous composer. He passed away in 2015. He was, I guess you would say, like an amateur pilot. And fortunately, there was a plane crash and he did not survive it. So same. I feel like if he had stayed with us, he'd have a lot more credits to his name at this point, almost 10 years down the road.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But from what we had, amazing scores. So I have... Yeah, all films. He was, again, also pretty faithful to the film. So earlier in his career, The Pursuit of D.B. Cooper, which
SPEAKER_00:is
SPEAKER_02:always kind of an interesting... I don't know if people out there know the story of D.B. Cooper.
SPEAKER_00:It's the guy on the plane and money.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Jumped out.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Never found him.
SPEAKER_02:Correct.
SPEAKER_00:Or the money. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I think they've claimed that they've found money, but it's like, well, I guess you could maybe look at serial numbers, but I don't know if that ever... panned out that they found any of the money from whoever that person was who jumped. So this is not the first time by a long shot that we've brought him up because he was the composer on Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan.
SPEAKER_00:He was, and that is, it's not even close for me. It's the best soundtrack and the best opening theme of any Star Trek movie or series.
SPEAKER_02:He also did Star Trek III.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:The Search for Spock.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. That one's a good two.
SPEAKER_02:That one's a good two? Yeah. And we did cover the Rathacon. So please, go check that one out. That one was with Owen. One of our fantastic episodes with Owen.
SPEAKER_00:I usually talk about those movies. I'm not going to do it. New year, new me.
SPEAKER_02:New Derek. He composed for 48 Hours as well as another 48 Hours. He did a lot of sequels for films because he did Cocoon. and did Cocoon the Return. He did The Journey of Natty Gann. This is a departure in Commando. He is an Oscar-winning composer. He has a ton of nominations. I will go through them. He gets his first nomination for Aliens, which, didn't we say, is very much like Rathacon?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there are some familiarity, some, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Some shared themes.
SPEAKER_02:Shared themes, which I guess you can rip yourself off.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Nobody's saying you can't. He composed for An American Tale, for which he got a Best Original Song nomination.
SPEAKER_00:Somewhere out there? That wasn't him. Was it? I
SPEAKER_02:think so. Wow. I think it was. As well as he composes for its sequel, An American Tale, Fievel Goes West. He did Batteries Not Included. He gets his next Oscar nom score again for a film we have covered, Field of Dreams. Okay. That one was with Daniel. Please go check that one out.
SPEAKER_00:Batteries Not Included was in the 80s. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it was. Just
SPEAKER_00:double checking. Yep,
SPEAKER_02:it sure was. He composed for Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, a film that I don't know if we will cover because I will be a weepy mess if we do Glory. Oh,
SPEAKER_00:yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But it is a gorgeous score. Holy shit, that end. Yeah. The ending sequence. Yeah. Just, I can't. It is exhausting to watch that sequence, but it's history. He did Patriot Games as well as Clear and Present Danger. I know I brought this one up before that I loved this movie as a kid, A Far Off Place. Oh,
SPEAKER_00:yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:There's one that I need to bring up that... We might cover in the same way that we covered Masters of the Universe. And similar to Willow, it borrows heavily themes from Star Wars and those movies. And I didn't know that Horner worked on the soundtrack or was the composer. And that's 1983's I knew
SPEAKER_02:you were going to say that. I was waiting for it. I knew you were going to say that.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you. Thank you for leaving that. Thank you for leaving that open so that I could just walk right into it. Yeah, that movie is it. Look, it's real weird. It gets weirder than you think.
SPEAKER_02:OK, I've never seen it. I just know it. Yeah, probably because of you talking about
SPEAKER_00:it. I think I think that's going to be on my list for some time this year.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Well, I am firming up this list. If you want to get in a slot. I
SPEAKER_00:think it's going to slide into one of those slots. Oh,
SPEAKER_02:man. Okay. So back to his 90s work. He did also a gorgeous score, Legends of the Fall. Oh,
SPEAKER_00:yeah.
SPEAKER_02:He did that. He gets a nomination for, I think, well, no. Okay. I will get to that when I get to that. He gets another original score nomination for Braveheart. Makes sense. He gets another. score nomination for apollo 13 and then here we go so he teams up with james cameron again because he had done aliens and he does both the score and uh works with slain dion for the song he wins for both so
SPEAKER_00:and of course that song is my heart will go
SPEAKER_02:on my heart will go on
SPEAKER_00:yeah
SPEAKER_02:and So there you go.
SPEAKER_00:My heart will go on as you fall off this floating door, and then I will return a thousand years later to drop this diamond in the ocean.
SPEAKER_02:She annoys me.
SPEAKER_00:That's the full title of the song, actually.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, you don't have to drop into the ocean. Nobody's going to ever find that thing. It's gone. It is gone. And I think that that could have been a really lovely thing to... leave for the world rather than... Anyway.
SPEAKER_00:Lady, you just wasted all of our time.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. Lady. Okay. So he does A Beautiful Mind, for which he gets another Oscar nomination, Best Original Score, as well as House of Sand and Fog. So he has a very strong end of the 90s, early 2000, because he gets another nomination for that, as well as Avatar, the original. So he...
SPEAKER_00:How many are there now? Are there just two out?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I think there's just two out, but... I think so, yeah. These movies have been around for, what, 60 years now? Yeah. And there's going to be 10 of them?
SPEAKER_02:They've been talked about, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. Okay. What do you think's going to... Call to action. What do you think's going to happen? Will...
SPEAKER_02:That's our call to action?
SPEAKER_00:That's mine. Is Avatar 3 going to come out before the next George R.R. Martin book? I'm
SPEAKER_02:putting my money on Avatar. I
SPEAKER_00:think I am, too. Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And then just to wrap up, before he passed, he also composed for The Amazing Spider-Man and The Magnificent Seven.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. So moving on to film editing, we have three people listed for film editing.
SPEAKER_00:Never a good sign.
SPEAKER_02:No. I mean, look, we joked about that when we were watching this. This movie is just a touch over two hours.
SPEAKER_00:And it was intended to be longer.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, God. Really?
SPEAKER_00:There was supposed to be more backstory of some of the characters. In particular, Mad Mardigan and Eric. And, like, what happened between them. I actually
SPEAKER_02:would not have minded that.
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_02:But, as it stands, this movie could use a little tightening up. Yeah. It's... For being action-adventure, it... It drags a bit. I
SPEAKER_00:love this movie, but... We paused the movie. We paused it so we could let Winston do his thing outside. He is sleeping peacefully right now next to us as we record this.
SPEAKER_02:Winston, just for those who may not know... Is our dog. Is our dog. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:And when we came back in, I could see where it had paused. I'm like, there's still a fucking half of this movie left.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So it could have been tightened up a little bit. Yeah. I have no idea... Why? Well, OK, I know some idea. Two of the three editors are basically editing partners.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, OK. So kind of almost as like they're a single. So really two.
SPEAKER_02:Really two. The one that was not part of that duo, I'm not sure if like he was brought because when you look at his filmography compared to the duo, it is incredible. starkly different in terms of experience. So I'm not sure if they brought him in and then it became kind of clear that maybe he could... I don't know. I'm speaking out of turn. I'm just trying to figure out why. Why would there have been this guy and then this other duo? We'll start with the duo. The first gentleman, they're all men, that I'm going to bring up, Daniel P. Hanley. So We have brought him up before because he and his editing partner were– unfortunately, his partner has passed away. But they collaborated a ton with Howard.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So there's going to be a lot of repeat. I don't even know if I– I don't want to shortcut the other guy, Mike Hill, but they have almost, I think, identical– filmographies.
SPEAKER_00:We're not shorting them then.
SPEAKER_02:Almost identical because Hanley, he started on Laverne and Shirley. Hill did not. So he starts out in television, which I don't know, maybe that's where he met Ron Howard. That was a spinoff. I don't know. Did Richie Cunningham ever make an appearance on Laverne and Shirley?
SPEAKER_00:He might have, but then there was also some Mork and Mindy involved. And I feel like for sure... I
SPEAKER_02:wonder if Howard directed a couple episodes of Laverne and Shirley.
SPEAKER_00:Mork from Ork definitely showed up at the...
SPEAKER_02:What a weird, like, connected world
SPEAKER_00:between those shows. Yeah, it really is. It really is.
SPEAKER_02:It's kind of bizarre. But, yeah, because there was Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley, Mork and Mindy, Joni and Chachi. Yeah,
SPEAKER_00:the ill-fated.
SPEAKER_02:The ill-fated Joni and Chachi. So, yeah. Familiar names because he went on to cut Night Shift, Splash, Cocoon, Gung Ho. So a lot of familiar names. He wasn't exclusive, I guess, to Howard because he cut on Pet Sematary. But then comes Parenthood, Problem Child, Backdraft, Far and Away. He gets a Best Film Editing Oscar win for Apollo 13. Okay. That makes sense to me. Yeah. Does In-N-Out, Ed TV, How the Grinch Stole Christmas. More nominations for A Beautiful Mind, Cinderella Man, Frost Nixon. And then also does Da Vinci Code, Angels and Demons, Inferno, Rush, and The Heart of the Sea. So... Almost exclusively Ron Howard.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, it feels like Howard worked with these editors but wanted to bring someone else in for like a different look.
SPEAKER_02:Maybe, possibly. And then as I mentioned, Mike Hill. So yeah, now that I'm looking at his filmography, there's nothing different from what I just stated. He and Hanley worked together on all of those films.
SPEAKER_00:If you want, I could just edit that out and you could just say the name Mike Hill and then we'll just replay that. We'll loop it.
SPEAKER_02:We'll loop it?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Well, we'll just move forward. Unfortunately, he passed away in 2023, so fairly recently of pneumonia. But yeah, so those two, probably one of the most successful film editing. I mean, that's interesting to me that they were editing partners. That's not something I hear of a lot, although I think we've seen like a father and son. Every once in a while you see it, but... And then the last gentleman who has an editing credit is Richard Hiscott. Six total editor credits, two shorts, two TV movies, and two episodes of a TV show called Minder. Okay. So that's it. That's it. So that's why it's a really interesting kind of breakdown of who did what in the editing of this film.
SPEAKER_00:That is interesting.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Hmm. Hmm.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Moving on to the stars of the film. Starting with Mad Mardigan.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Bill Kilmer. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's been a minute since we've brought him up. Love him in this. Love him in a lot. It's actually, I think, one of the greatest, I'm going to say it, travesties of Oscar history that he was never nominated for anything. And it's kind of fucking ridiculous that that's the case when you look at his
SPEAKER_00:work. Was he nominated at least for Doc Holliday? No. No. That's at least get a nomination for that.
SPEAKER_02:No, he wasn't. I mean, and the thing is, is that if some people want to bypass that, OK, fine. But he didn't even get a nomination to as Jim Morrison in the doors like he was great. He was Jim Morrison. It's kind of ridiculous. So anyway, and it's a shame because he's. He is still with us, but he's had some pretty serious health issues over the last several years. And so that has definitely had an impact on his ability to work. But going through his filmography, I'm sure we will bring him up again. There's one movie in particular. Actually, it might even be later this year. I have not firmed up the list, but this one's on it. Top Secret. Oh, yeah. That's like his first credit. Yeah. We did do real... And man, we did Real Genius so early in the show that was like, I don't know, like maybe the second or third episode of season one. It's a fun movie. It is a fun movie. Of course, we... Well, I shouldn't say of course. There's been a lot of movies we haven't covered yet. But we did cover Top Gun. We did. And that was Katie and Brad. That one was super fun because we... I mean... They hadn't seen it before. Yeah. Well, Brad had it. I think Katie had.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:But we only a handful of times had double guests on the show. So that was a very fun one. And then he does– so at this point, I don't even know if he is able– he's not able to just like– Verbally articulate on his own. Yeah. But he was brought back for Top Gun Maverick. Yeah. And I thought that that was... Say whatever you want about Tom Cruise. I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole. But I thought that that was a really lovely thing to do for him and for that character.
SPEAKER_00:Agreed.
SPEAKER_02:He, as mentioned, plays Jim Morrison in The Doors. Did not get any Oscar love for that, which is wild to me. I
SPEAKER_00:feel like if that came out now, like... a lot of these like biopics.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, not to be, I'm sorry to cut you off.
SPEAKER_00:No, no. With like a complete unknown. Like it feels like every year we're getting like a new Oscar bait biopic towards the end of the year.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I'm not trying to be rude towards other actors. They put in hard work to play these characters, but like, You know, when you have What's-His-Face, didn't he at least get a nomination for Elton John, I think? Yeah, I think so. I think he got at least a nomination for that. What's-His-Face, I'm just calling all these guys What's-His-Face, fucking won to play Freddie Mercury. Like, I mean, when you compare those roles to what he did in The Doors, it's like, come on! Yeah,
SPEAKER_00:no.
SPEAKER_02:Like, come on!
SPEAKER_00:Hey, look, I hear you. Derek, come on! So... No, his... His performance of Jim Morrison was, it was just like you said, like he became him. He became him. Yeah, like the singing, everything was just like incredible.
SPEAKER_02:In fact, the more that I'm talking about this, the more it pisses me off. He didn't get any Oscar. And look, I've said before, like Oscar attention isn't the end all be all, but it's annoying when people who It's like, why wouldn't you have acknowledged him for what he did in a particular role?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, look, it's probably why it is sometimes tough to even take much of it seriously.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, totally.
SPEAKER_00:It comes out, it's like, okay, whatever.
SPEAKER_02:No, that's more by every passing year, that's how I feel. He was in Thunderheart, True Romance.
SPEAKER_00:Very underrated movie, by the way. Thunderheart is really good. Yeah, it is a good movie. It's
SPEAKER_02:been a while since I've seen it. Again, to your point, oh my God. Yeah. Tombstone, Doc Holliday, fucking hell.
SPEAKER_00:Ridiculously good. Insanely good performance.
SPEAKER_02:Might honestly be my favorite character of almost any film.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Like he is absolutely captivating every single fucking second he's on screen. It's wild. Wild to me that he didn't get a nomination for that. And then he goes to Batman Forever. Damn. And that was a movie. However, he returns to– I shouldn't say he left for him, but he also– it's wild to me that he didn't get more attention than it did. Yeah. He's fantastic in that movie.
SPEAKER_00:Agreed. And then right from that–
SPEAKER_02:Island of Dr. Moreau.
SPEAKER_00:There's a lot of ups and downs.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, a lot of ups and downs. That's how it goes, huh? Island of Dr. Moreau. I feel like he probably took that because he, I would guess, a lot of people would be like, oh, I get the chance to work with... Brando, right? Brando. Yeah. Yeah. Although at that point, Brando was... Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, but he did that. He did the ghosts in the darkness, which I believe that's with Michael Douglas, right?
SPEAKER_00:It is. And I wanted to like that movie more than I actually did because when it came out, they were really pushing heavily is like, this is like jaws in, in the planes. Like they did a lot where you would see like the grass, like the wind blowing through the grass, trying to like make it feel like you're just looking at like a sea. And, um, It wasn't even really the performances, just like Michael Douglas' character. I'm like, eh, it was okay. It was okay, but not nearly as good as I would have hoped it was.
SPEAKER_02:He does The Saint, I believe with Elizabeth Shue. I think she's in that, right?
SPEAKER_00:She is, yeah. That's like a James Bond that's not a James Bond for people who like James Bond.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. He does Wonderland. I remember he got a lot of attention for Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And MacGruber. So, OK, moving on to Joanne Wally and for a period of time, Joanne Wally Kilmer, because they did meet and fall in love on this film.
SPEAKER_00:They did. They had two kids, the first of whom was named Mercedes.
SPEAKER_02:And I think Jack, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yes, Mercedes and Jack. So quite a pair of...
SPEAKER_02:Because I did watch the documentary on Val Kilmer and it's his son who largely narrates it. Oh, really? Okay. And I think his son sounds so much like him. I think I thought it was him. And I was like, how's that happening? Anyway.
SPEAKER_00:Well, Mad Margin and Saoirse, their divorce was finalized in 1996.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So
SPEAKER_02:maybe married about 10 years. Yeah. So she... uh is very busy very busy to this day she has largely worked in television so yeah i almost saw tv for her but earlier in her career i think she must have been like a child actor at some point uh how we used to live i think that was really early for her i do vaguely remember this this was like a big deal so decades upon decades after gone with the wind came out I don't know if Margaret Mitchell had had a manuscript for a sequel or if this was totally... I just don't recall. But a book came out called Scarlet, and it was meant to be like a sequel
SPEAKER_00:to Gone with the Wind. That's bold.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, it is. And then it got picked up as a TV miniseries. So she plays Scarlet O'Hara.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:And Timothy Dalton plays Rhett Butler. Okay, okay. So not exactly Vivian Leigh and Clark Gable, but...
SPEAKER_00:Well, what are you going to
SPEAKER_02:do? What are you going to do? So she was in that. I thought you would appreciate this. It's a film called The Californians.
SPEAKER_00:Californians.
SPEAKER_02:Californians.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So she does that. And then the rest of the day, I have TV. So she's been on Gossip Girl. I'm going to butcher this. The Borgia...
SPEAKER_00:The bourgeois?
SPEAKER_02:Nope. Oh. I may not be saying it right, but that's not
SPEAKER_01:it.
UNKNOWN:That's not it?
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Well, I gave it a shot. She was on
SPEAKER_02:that. Beowulf returned to the Shieldlands. Daredevil. So she does come back for the TV series Willow. Oh, good. She's queen at that point. That makes sense. And more recently, Carnival Row. She's been very busy.
SPEAKER_00:She was also in a little movie starring George C. Scott that I actually watched last week called A Christmas Carol.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, so I saw that. Was she...
SPEAKER_00:She was fan.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, that's why I didn't include it because it was just, I don't think she had like a major role.
SPEAKER_00:No, it's not. But that's good that you brought that up. I recognized like on her IMDb page, I saw the image and I instantly recognized it from that movie. So I had to scroll through a bit. But yeah, that was her.
SPEAKER_02:Moving on to arguably the star of the film. It is named after him. And
SPEAKER_00:I, yeah, I just mentioned this before we hit record. Lucas was kind of peeved at the order of the billing on this, given that Kilmer doesn't show up in the movie until about 28 minutes in.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And Warwick Davis is in, oh, did you say Warwick Davis yet?
SPEAKER_02:Maybe.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, he's in a lot of this. Says a lot of stuff.
SPEAKER_02:It is kind of, so I think, first of all, it is kind of hilarious when they threw up the title credit, because it's like you've just seen a shot of the baby, and they don't, I don't think, have named her yet.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, they haven't for a while, yeah. You
SPEAKER_02:don't know that her name is Allura. So, like, I think you're like, oh, is the baby Willow? Like, if you didn't know? Because that's how I kind of... I think that's how a lot of people's minds would work.
SPEAKER_00:Maybe the lady that was stealing the baby away, is she Willow?
SPEAKER_02:Because the title card comes up before Willow is introduced. So it is a little funny the way they do that. I think, you know, to your point, you said this when we were watching it for the podcast, he was really young. So that is often what happens with credits.
SPEAKER_00:He was 17 when they started filming. He had
SPEAKER_02:already been doing stuff, and I'll go into it in a second. But yeah, you know, he was young. At that point, the biggest star was Val Kilmer. That's fair. But I get it. Yeah. I get it. It makes sense. So yes, Warwick Davis. So I had kind of a... This is a weird way to, cheeky thought. Oh. When I was covering his, when I was like researching his work because I'm like, he must be making fucking bank because he has been in so much in so many huge franchises. Like, I mean, holy shit balls. So anyway, Warwick Davis still very much working to this day. Very, very busy actor. And he has been part of several movies. huge franchises, starting with Star Wars. So he's kind of jumped around. It's not like he's not even the same character in every Star Wars movie. He just often, because of the nature of that franchise and its fantasy and there's all types of characters, he is able to, through makeup and what have you, morph into different characters. So he was in Return of the Jedi. Probably, notably, people would Remember, he was Wicket. He was one of the Ewoks. So you don't even see him because he's in a full costume, but he's in that. I'm just going to go through all the Star Wars films real quick. He was in A Phantom Menace. He was in The Force Awakens. He is in Rogue One, a Star Wars story, as well as The Last Jedi, as well as Solo. another Star Wars story, and The Rise of Skywalker. So he was in the final trilogy in different ways,
SPEAKER_01:as
SPEAKER_02:well as those two one-offs, kind of. Okay. So he's kind of been part of that franchise here and there. He was in Labyrinth, which we covered. So go check that one out. And then this is so fun because he headlines his own franchise. He is Leprechaun.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. He is the leprechaun in the movies. He is
SPEAKER_02:the leprechaun.
SPEAKER_00:Called Leprechaun.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And as of now, there have been six films in this franchise. So it's Leprechaun 1, 2, 3. Leprechaun 4 in space, Leprechaun 5 in the hood, and Leprechaun 6 back to the hood.
SPEAKER_00:Interesting.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. The worrying of it's a little whatever. It
SPEAKER_00:came back to the hood then. Yeah, it came back to the hood. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So I think I did read though that like those are pretty physically demanding roles for him and he's getting older. Yeah. So I don't know if it's like really something he can do anymore. I think he has said that. that it's like, Kind of tough.
SPEAKER_00:Can we have a Leprechaun 7, Son of the Leprechaun? Son
SPEAKER_02:of the Leprechaun.
SPEAKER_00:Just move the legacy on?
SPEAKER_02:So the other huge franchise that he has been part of is Harry Potter.
SPEAKER_00:He is Professor Flitwick.
SPEAKER_02:That is his main character.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Yeah, yeah. In the
SPEAKER_02:franchise. But as with Star Wars, because it's fantasy, and often you have characters who are in makeup or costume or whatever, he has played multiple characters.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, you can recognize him as Flitwick.
SPEAKER_02:Correct.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Correct. Yeah. But he has, I think, been part of almost... Because there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight? There were eight films? Because there were seven books, but then they divided up the last one, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think that's right.
SPEAKER_02:So I think he's been part of all of them. Sorcerer's Stone, Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkaban, Goblet of Fire, Order of the Phoenix, Half-Blood Prince, Deathly Hallows Part 1 and Part 2.
SPEAKER_00:That's all of them.
SPEAKER_02:That's all of them. So he's done... All of that. Of course, he did come back because he is Willow for the TV series. And then more recently, I didn't actually see a ton of voice work for him, but he's been pretty consistently... He has done voice work for TV series. I don't know this, but it's called Moon in Valley. Okay. No. I don't
SPEAKER_00:know.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. But in any case, so he's been very busy.
SPEAKER_00:There was another... kind of franchise, but The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Yeah, I saw that too. Prince
SPEAKER_02:Caspian and...
SPEAKER_00:The Voyage of the Dawn Treader in the 80s. Like, that was 89, but then he was also in the... Like, when they rebooted those movies in 2000s. Yeah. He was in one of those again.
SPEAKER_02:No, that's good that you brought that up. I... Yeah. Those weren't hugely successful to me. I read all those books
SPEAKER_00:when I was a kid. Yeah, I think I did too. I didn't... I saw the first movie and I was like, oh, it's fine.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But yeah, it was, it's, the biggest surprise for me is I didn't realize that there were, there was like an 80s version of it. Oh, okay. It was like it was a TV show.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:That he was on back in the 80s. So I don't think I, I had no idea that there was even a show for it.
SPEAKER_02:All right. Moving on to Jean Marsh, who plays Queen Bavmorda. Am I saying that right?
SPEAKER_00:Bavmorda. Yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And she is still very much with us, 90 years old.
SPEAKER_00:Wow.
SPEAKER_02:Her first credit, which was an uncredited credit, was in 1947. So it's been a minute since she's been working in the industry. And yeah, I mean, a lot of her work, because I think, am I remembering correctly? I think she's British, I want to say. Yeah, born in London. So a lot of her credits, I think, are for UK properties, right? That like I didn't... I just wasn't familiar with. Some though. Like she had a role. I think she was Caesar's wife in the film Cleopatra.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Which is weird because I think she was like... I think that was like an uncredited credit. She also... Face of a Stranger. That was a film. TV series. The Informer. The film Jane Eyre. Another film. The Eagle Has Landed. TV series. So... This is interesting. So they made a TV series off of the film 9 to 5.
SPEAKER_00:Oh.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Okay. So she's in that. Return to Oz. The TV series Doctor Who. So she was on Doctor Who for a while.
SPEAKER_00:One of them.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. That's been a whole ongoing thing as well, right? I'm not as familiar. I'm not honestly almost entirely
SPEAKER_00:unfamiliar. I think they do like a handoff from one person to like there's always like the next Doctor thing.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Like that's how they like switch it. But I've talked about it before. Like I've always wanted to get into it. I don't know if there are like books that I could read because some of the old shows, the effects are just– they're so rough that like if you're just watching it now for the first time, like no.
SPEAKER_02:Is it based off?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:OK.
UNKNOWN:OK.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know either.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, call to action.
SPEAKER_02:She was on a TV show. I don't think this is like what we've watched before, The Ghost Hunter. But she was on a
SPEAKER_00:TV show. I bet it's not International Ghost Hunters, no. What was that?
SPEAKER_03:What was that?
SPEAKER_02:She did come back. I think it was for maybe one episode for Willow, the TV series.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:And yeah, over the course.
SPEAKER_00:That's interesting since I thought that she like was vaporized at the end of the movie. It was a fun
SPEAKER_02:way to bring you back. I mean, it's magic.
SPEAKER_00:Somehow Palpatine came back.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00:It's magic.
SPEAKER_02:And she just over the course of her very long distinguished career, lots of TV work.
SPEAKER_00:Did you mention The Changeling?
SPEAKER_02:Oh my God. I missed that.
SPEAKER_00:She was in The Changeling. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:She was. Who did she play?
SPEAKER_00:Joanna Russell. Who was that? Don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Was she the one who was kind of prickly? Maybe. About, oh God. That
SPEAKER_00:would fit her style. That would totally
SPEAKER_02:fit. Yeah. I wonder if that's, because there's honestly not a ton of characters.
SPEAKER_00:There aren't.
SPEAKER_02:Maybe that was her. Oh, I'm sorry. I missed that one. No worries. Okay. Moving on to Patricia Hayes. So, okay. So is the name Raziel?
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Thank you. She, unfortunately... Look, I really love that this film brought on so many actors who are, like, maybe a little bit more veteran in their careers, but that also means that they're no longer with us, largely.
SPEAKER_00:Because their career started a long time ago.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So... Patricia Hayes, much in the same way as Jean, although Jean Marsh is still with us, she started very early. Her first, it was uncredited credit, her first credit was in 1936. 1936.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Wow.
SPEAKER_02:1936. And... A ton of TV work. I mean, she had a very extensive filmography. I did throw in a couple films. She was in the film The Life and Adventures of Nicholas Nickleby.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, people would recognize that. Yeah. Like, yeah. I
SPEAKER_02:think so. Yeah. Another film called The Battle of the Sexes. This was interesting to me. So when I first saw the one credit, I was like, yeah, okay. So she was on Benny Hill.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:But I did not realize that there was Benny Hill and then there was the Benny Hill Show.
SPEAKER_00:I had no idea. Which one had the yackety sacks?
SPEAKER_02:The Benny Hill Show? I don't know. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's as much as I can
SPEAKER_00:do. Well done. I'm going to for sure clip that. That's going to be our new intro.
SPEAKER_02:Our new intro. So she was on both of them. And Benny Holt, that was like just his name, right? That was actually the comedian's name, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_00:Or not? Maybe. I don't know. It is a name.
SPEAKER_02:I just remember as a kid seeing the reruns and to throw out this word a second time in this episode, very cheeky show. Oh,
SPEAKER_00:yeah. It is.
SPEAKER_02:Very cheeky.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It was like inappropriate humor for kids to be watching almost all of the time.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Very much so. Some of her other TV work, and again, like these... She did a ton of TV. I just picked ones that she had like kind of a longer stint with. The author, Arthur. Not author. Arthur? Yes. Like the name. Arthur. Haynes Show. Okay. She's done that. The Last of the Baskets. I don't know any of these.
SPEAKER_00:No more baskets. That was the last of them.
SPEAKER_02:Till Death Us Do Part. Oh. Yeah. A little bit of a change up on words. Lady is a Tramp. This, so I am almost certain we probably didn't bring her up, but we did talk about a movie that she was in already. Actually, two of them. The NeverEnding Story. She
SPEAKER_00:played Ergel.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know off the top of my head who that is supposed to be.
SPEAKER_00:Not sure.
SPEAKER_02:Not
SPEAKER_00:sure.
SPEAKER_02:But she was in that. That one we did with Mike. Oh my gosh, that was probably all the way in season one as well, maybe? Yeah. Season one or two. So go check that one out. And then also A Fish Called Wanda, which we also did. So go check that
SPEAKER_00:one out.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:But that's her. This is
SPEAKER_02:probably the first time we've brought her up, honestly.
SPEAKER_00:It probably is. Is my guess.
SPEAKER_02:So, okay. Moving on to another actor who has come up on the show, Billy Barty. So he plays High Aldwyn. So he is kind of like that... Like the sorcerer,
SPEAKER_00:right? He's the like quote unquote legit sorcerer in Willow's village.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:What's the difference between a sorcerer and a wizard?
SPEAKER_00:Oh my God. That's like, that's going to go down a whole Dungeons and Dragons path that I just can't go down right now.
SPEAKER_02:So here's what's interesting. The last time we brought him up. So he passed away in 2000. I'll go over. He's come up a couple of times actually on the show. But the last time I brought him up, he had 213 acting credits. Somehow, even though he passed away in 2000, it is now 214.
SPEAKER_00:He posthumously increased this. I have no idea. Okay. I don't
SPEAKER_02:know what was added, but... Yeah, so Samesies, as a couple of these people, now he has just beat both Jean Marsh and Patricia Hayes because his first credit was in 1927.
SPEAKER_00:That's wild.
SPEAKER_02:We keep jumping back 10 years. It's not a contest. Every person, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But he won.
SPEAKER_02:So he won. I think he does hold the record, at least for this episode. So his first credit was a short called Mickey's Pals, and he did a ton of, I don't know this... Mm-hmm. So he did that. He has an uncredited credit for The Bride of Frankenstein, another film called The Undead. I mean, he did a ton of stuff. Kind of in the middle of his career, I have a lot of TV work for him. So he did The Red Skelton Hour, Sigmund and the Sea Monsters, Dr. Shrinker. Wait, what? I don't know. I don't know. Dr.
SPEAKER_00:Shrinker. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:The Croft Super Show and the base. Okay. That
SPEAKER_00:is
SPEAKER_02:it. They're robbing a train. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So he was in that. We also brought him up. This is probably the most recent time we've brought him up. Masters of the Universe.
SPEAKER_00:Gwildor. That's right.
SPEAKER_02:So go check. That was with Paul. Go check that one out. As well as UHF. He's in that. Noodles. And just, yeah, over the course of his career, tons of credits, tons of work, lots of TV appearances. Okay. We are coming down to, let's see, the last, we got about four, technically five. It's like the twins, the baby. So kind of one person. But anyway, moving on. This is a weird character to me. So we're talking about Kale. Is that how you would say it?
SPEAKER_00:The general, basically? Yeah. Like cool skull mask?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. To me, it's a strange character because I don't really get anything from this guy. Like he has no... They don't give him anything in the film.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_02:If I'm going to... nitpick something it's the fact that like yes the queen is the main villain but she is he is her henchman yeah and there's like no there's nothing there's no personality
SPEAKER_00:he's just he's the equivalent of that chromed out stormtrooper from uh the force awakens who you think is going to be super cool and then you're like okay
SPEAKER_02:oh my god that just made me sad again i'm
SPEAKER_00:sorry
SPEAKER_02:damn because that was what's her face from um Fucking Game of Thrones.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And
SPEAKER_00:yeah. Can't think of her name yet.
SPEAKER_02:Christy. Something Christy.
SPEAKER_00:But that. Maybe. Gwendolyn
SPEAKER_02:Christy.
SPEAKER_00:Sure. I
SPEAKER_02:think. Okay. We'll look it up now. I'm going to be really impressed with myself if I pull that out of nowhere. Gwen. Duh. Yes. Oh my God. I was right.
SPEAKER_00:Well done.
SPEAKER_02:Well done. Okay. So. Yes. I am a little sad that we didn't get more from that character. You're
SPEAKER_00:one of them.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. The actor who played Cale was Pat Roach. He too has passed away. He passed away in 2004. Very interesting career. One super notable... Not to say that nothing else he did was notable, but one very notable character. This... Okay, so over the course of his career, he does... I have... He did do a lot of TV work, actually. Like a lot of one-offs and two-offs. I have almost entirely film work for him. He was in Barry Lyndon, Clash of the Titans. He was a big guy. We
SPEAKER_00:might cover Clash of the Titans. Oh, for sure. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:At some point. So here we go. He's in Raiders of the Lost Ark. And I know you were like, he was who? He
SPEAKER_00:was two. He was two.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, two
SPEAKER_00:different people.
SPEAKER_02:He was... He's, I guess, in the opening with Marion in Nepal.
SPEAKER_00:He's a giant Sherpa, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So, but more notably, he is... He's
SPEAKER_00:the mechanic of the... Plane.
SPEAKER_02:The Nazi plane.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Like where he gets in the box. He's like the boxer. So he gets in the boxing match with Indy. And then at the last second, Indy ducks and he's chopped up by the propeller.
SPEAKER_02:That's him. Yeah. That's him.
SPEAKER_00:Very memorable scene. Very
SPEAKER_02:memorable
SPEAKER_00:scene. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And for the few seconds that he's on screen.
SPEAKER_00:He doesn't say much. No. And he's
SPEAKER_02:like excited to fight. Yeah. He's like kind of like, oh, let's fight. Like he. It's not like he even hates Indy. He's just like, yeah, let's box. Let's fight. Like he kind of has a smile on his face about it. It's like a very interesting take on the character. So that's him. And then he must have had just like maybe some kind of friendship or something with like Lucas or Spielberg because he's in the other Indy movies as different characters. So he is in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom as well as Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. So he's in both of those. Yeah. He, and again, like I mentioned, he was a big guy, so it kind of makes sense that he's in some of these types of movies. He was in Conan and the Destroyer. As
SPEAKER_00:the man ape, comma, destroyer. Toth Amon. I don't know what that is. The Toth Amon, he might have been like that evil dark god at the end that he had to fight. You know
SPEAKER_02:better than I would.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know that well, but I'm trying to think of what else. I don't know what that thing might be, but it could be that.
SPEAKER_02:So he's in that. He's in Red Sonja. I guess, I don't know. It has been ages since I've seen this movie. He's in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. Oh. But I'm not sure who he is in that.
SPEAKER_00:Well, thank you for saying that title. So now I have that song in my head.
SPEAKER_02:You're welcome.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:He also was in Cole the Conqueror. Not
SPEAKER_00:to be confused with Krull. I know. Not related at all. Very different.
SPEAKER_02:And then one of his last credits was a TV series that he was on for quite a while. Sounds German.
SPEAKER_00:Auf Wiedersehen.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, is that what that word is? I was going to.
SPEAKER_00:I think so. If I'm just looking at that, I'm going to pronounce
SPEAKER_02:it.
SPEAKER_00:So Goodbye Pat? Yeah. Maybe.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, man.
SPEAKER_00:Auf Wiedersehen. Okay. I don't know German pronunciation, but if I was going to guess... No, you
SPEAKER_02:did it perfectly. You did it perfectly. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. So moving on to the... I guess they're called brownies?
SPEAKER_00:They are.
SPEAKER_02:Right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Oh, you know, when we talked about how this is basically a mashup of Star Wars and Indiana Jones and The Hobbit, it's also a mashup of Gulliver's Travels. Yes, you're right. Yep, yep. And... Here come the brownies.
SPEAKER_02:Here come the brownies. The first of which, Kevin Pollack. Amazing. Of all people. Yeah. Fantastic. So kind of wild. This was earlier in his career.
SPEAKER_00:Strenuously abject.
SPEAKER_02:Strenuously abject. Although that was Demi Moore.
SPEAKER_00:But he's making fun of it. He's making fun of it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So he plays, I guess it's just Rule.
SPEAKER_00:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02:Rule in the film. Yeah. This is the first time we've brought him up. He's a great actor. He
SPEAKER_00:really is. That's crazy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:He's a great actor. I don't know if we'll bring him up again. Hmm. Because he really came on the scene in the 90s.
SPEAKER_00:Better get our money's worth out of this then.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And I have earlier in his career, quite a few films. And then more recently, he's done a ton of TV work. I mean, he's just very busy. Very long filmography. Continues to grow because he's very active. Yeah. But some of his films include L.A. Story, and then you alluded to it, A Few Good Men. Yep. Poor guy when Nicholson's like, who, you, Lieutenant Weinberg, like with such disdain. Yeah. Why not me? Yeah. He's so mean to him for no reason. He's really good in that movie. He also is very good. So he was in A Few Good Men as well as Grumpy Old Men as well as Grumpier Old Men. Damn. A lot of men movies. Clean Slate, Miami Rhapsody. Okay, so when I think of him, I do immediately think of A Few Good Men. However, I'm going to venture that a lot of people think of him first off in The Usual Suspects. Yeah. He's part of that huge ensemble cast. He was in Casino. that thing you do. He is the dad and she's all that.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:And then now I mentioned TV work. So some of the TV series that he's had like longer stints on, Vamped Out, Angel from Hell.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, interesting. So Lucifer.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, right. That's what that would be, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_02:Mom. Better Things, and then even more recently, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, which I think just concluded. Really?
SPEAKER_00:I
SPEAKER_02:think so. I think it's over. I think it's done. All right. Our last main character is the other brownie. Is it Franjean? Franjan? How do you say his name?
SPEAKER_00:I'd say it the first way.
SPEAKER_02:Franjean?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, let's go with that. Did I not say it the same way? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:So Rick Overton, which this is so funny because... You know, they're wearing makeup and they're also brownies, so they're super tiny on screen. And I was like, oh, is that the guy from The Burbs? No, but both of their names are Rick. Okay. So the Rick in this movie is Rick Overton. The Rick from The Burbs is Rick Ducoumon?
SPEAKER_00:A tale of two Ricks.
SPEAKER_02:A tale of two Ricks. Yeah, he... I don't... I mean, he... Does it make sense why I would think he was the other Rick?
SPEAKER_00:Well... It's kind of hard. Like they, it was kind of hard to see them as the Brown. Like they, obviously they like did the best they could with the effects. They had them do all their stuff separately and then would have them kind of like imposed in with the, with the rest of the film, but they were tiny.
SPEAKER_02:They were tiny.
SPEAKER_00:Maybe if we were in a theater, I would be able to see them a little bit better. And our TV is not tiny, but they were still pretty tiny. And they were giving off big Lenny and Squiggy vibes.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. You know, which is kind of funny because we were talking so much about Ron Howard. Yes. I wonder if he's like, just do Lenny and Squiggy.
SPEAKER_00:Because that's kind of what they did. Yeah. That is kind of what they did. But this guy is super interesting. His dad was Thelonious Monk's big band arranger.
SPEAKER_02:Wow.
SPEAKER_00:Which is super cool. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That is very cool.
SPEAKER_00:And a music teacher at Juilliard.
SPEAKER_02:His dad.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Interesting.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So a very creative family.
SPEAKER_00:And then his son went on to become a brownie.
SPEAKER_02:And then, yes, the dad's son became a brownie. So he also, holy shnikes, he's very busy too. He has done a ton of work. Still very much working today. Some of his cards, I have like a little bit of a mix between... Film and television. So he was in Young Doctors in Love, Gung Ho. So maybe he'll come up again. He might also come up again for Earth Girls or Easy. Probably at some point.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we should. We might do that. We should, yeah. Not sure I
SPEAKER_02:feel about that, but.
SPEAKER_00:That's Goldblum, right?
SPEAKER_02:And Geena Davis. Yeah. Yeah. He also was on the TV series Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventures, plural.
SPEAKER_00:Is that live action or animated? I think
SPEAKER_02:it's live action, but I don't know. He was in, so now we're moving into the 90s, Groundhog Day. He reteams with Ron Howard because he's in a TV. He plays, I just thought the credit was funny, he plays Frantic Man in Cloverfield.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that could be so many people. I feel like that's everybody. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but that's who he plays. He was on a TV series called I'm Dying Up Here. I
SPEAKER_00:love it.
SPEAKER_02:And then just, yeah, a ton of TV work. Okay, so finally, finally, I just wanted to mention because like she is kind of the center in some ways of the film.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. The baby. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Elora Dannen. I wish if there was any, so I would have liked to have seen a little bit more backstory on Val Kilmer's character. I kind of would have liked to know why. Why is this little girl part of this prophecy? Like, why her? Who were her parents? Like, why? Why?
SPEAKER_00:What's the deal here?
SPEAKER_02:What's the deal here? Oh, and you were mentioning all the things that this film is kind of based off of. Also, the Moses story.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, big time.
SPEAKER_02:Big time. Yeah. I mean, down to the visual of her going down a river. Yeah. So, she was played by, so as this, Always happens. Twins played this character, Ruth and Kate Greenfield. They
SPEAKER_00:were very expressive babies.
SPEAKER_02:Very expressive babies. I don't know what they did to get that baby, babies. They got a lot out of those babies. To get those looks.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know if they just kept a camera on that baby and did different things. Yeah, and then just used whatever footage worked for the moment. That would make sense. But... That's it. That's all they ever did.
SPEAKER_00:That's wow. I was wondering if they would have like it would have made no sense for them because they could have anyone be like whoever that character is.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, it's interesting that they picked a baby who at the very end were presumably I think you're led to believe that Mad Mardigan and Scherzer were. I'm going to say her name wrong. Sorry. Sorsha. Sorsha. I can't say it. Anyway. It seems like they're going to raise her. Yeah. And they make a point of, like, the baby's hair very much looks like, like, she looks like she could be the kid. At least Sorsha. Sorsha? Yeah, no, I can't say it. So, because she also has, like, the big, fluffy red hair. Yeah, yeah. So, I don't know if that was part of why they picked those kids. Also, just, you know, kids who generally aren't cranky and crabby and colicky the the girls were born in 87 the film came out in 88 so they they were very young when they filmed this yes not newborns but very young so they did great film synopsis
SPEAKER_00:what do we got
SPEAKER_02:a young farmer is chosen to undertake a perilous journey in order to protect a special baby from an evil queen
SPEAKER_00:yeah no look that's that's Good as anything, right?
SPEAKER_02:It is. I mean, I think it's kind of interesting that the whole reason why Willow goes is because... What's the character's name again? Hi, Aldwyn. Just asks him, like, essentially, do you love this baby? Do
SPEAKER_00:you have any love for this child? Yeah, do you
SPEAKER_02:have any love for this child? So if Willow had said no, then what? He...
SPEAKER_00:Probably would have said that you're going to have to– you'll have to find some. You
SPEAKER_02:have to find some. So essentially it's like to say he was chosen. He was chosen because he just said, yeah, I care about this kid. I don't want anything to happen to her. It didn't
SPEAKER_00:– A young farmer is chosen by fate.
SPEAKER_02:But it doesn't say that.
SPEAKER_00:No, it should though. It should, yeah. That would be
SPEAKER_02:my– that's
SPEAKER_00:my revision,
SPEAKER_02:yeah. So, yeah, I mean– and like I said, it would be interesting to know like why was– Allura, so special. I know she has the mark on her arm,
SPEAKER_00:but... That's what you would... You'd find out more of that in either a series or a sequel.
SPEAKER_02:True.
SPEAKER_00:Right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So... It is accurate. But yeah, it's kind of funny because like I said, in some ways, this film feels way too long. I think it's just because the action sequences are like a little... And even at the end, when the queen is battling with what's her face, like that goes on a long time.
SPEAKER_00:It does. A lot of it goes on for a lot of time. A
SPEAKER_02:lot of it goes on for a lot of
SPEAKER_00:time. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Which... I would have liked to have seen a little bit more backstory on the characters.
SPEAKER_00:Well, if this was made now, it would either be like... We'd get through half of it via eight episodes on Netflix before it's canceled. Or it might be two movies or multiple movies. I don't know. I'm
SPEAKER_02:curious if Lucas had an idea for it to kind of stretch out in the same way that Star Wars did. I
SPEAKER_00:think I read somewhere that the movie did not... financially perform quite as well as they had hoped, but there was still more story. So Lucas had provided kind of like an outline that was taken up with some books that were written afterwards. And people hated the books because certain characters were killed off pretty quickly. It was a much darker tone. And Lucas apparently was so dissatisfied with them himself that he's kind of like,
SPEAKER_03:Oh.
SPEAKER_00:Distanced himself from that. So I don't know if the new series worked from those at all or if they just went in a totally different direction.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. I mean, I did enjoy watching this movie. It had been a while. I had definitely seen this film a handful of times. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It's still a fun movie.
SPEAKER_02:It is a really fun movie. I do really love the... Although you were joking, and you're not wrong, but there's, like, way too many meaningful looks.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, my
SPEAKER_02:God.
SPEAKER_00:We get it. Yeah. We get it. Saoirse and Mad Mardigan.
SPEAKER_02:But it is a really fun relationship. It is very similar to Han and Leia in terms of initially the, like, antagonism between them.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So there is a lot of... I mean, there's a lot of similarity in a lot of ways with...
SPEAKER_00:The theme, like the music that they would play when they were having some of those moments felt so much like either Indy and Marion or Leia and Han, like just mixed up a little bit. But yeah, it was interesting.
SPEAKER_02:I think that... I'm trying to think. Was it... What was the one with... Matthew Broderick and... Oh, Ladyhawk.
SPEAKER_00:Ladyhawk. Ladyhawk. Ladyhawk.
SPEAKER_02:Where I really... It kind of feels similar to me where it's like it was a really interesting film that...
SPEAKER_00:Much better music. Potentially. Ladyhawk? No. In this? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Where you have these like really fun kind of action sequences where... Um, you have a very strong love story, but certain things like could have been tweaked a little bit. I love Willow. He is a very, very like interesting lead to me. He was like essentially the lead of the film. I mean,
SPEAKER_01:he was his name on the film.
SPEAKER_02:So, so I liked everybody in the film. It's just like, I don't know, as much as they were entertaining, maybe we didn't need the brownies. Um, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. Well, without the brownies, we don't get that love powder that gives us the whole Matt Mardigan and Sorcerer thing. But
SPEAKER_02:there's got to be another way. The Patricia Hayes character could have somehow done it. Or even Willow could, because that was part of his arc, is that he was learning how to be a competent sorcerer. So he himself could have done that.
SPEAKER_00:I think they could have wandered into those woods and still encountered the same, what is it, the fairy presence that... That was
SPEAKER_02:cool. I liked that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. The brownies are, like, even when I was a kid, they were kind of, like, my least favorite part of the
SPEAKER_02:movie. Because I'm just trying to think of, like, what could have been cut so that they could have given that time to the things that we felt were missing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. If they kept the same runtime but cut out the brownies and gave us more of the background of Mad Mardikin's and Eric's story.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. That
SPEAKER_00:would have been fine.
SPEAKER_02:And also.
SPEAKER_00:Look, I just saved them a ton of money on FX. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, just to know, like, what is the backstory of all the main players? Like, why is the Queen evil? Like, at the end, where she's looking pretty haggard.
SPEAKER_00:No, she just is.
SPEAKER_02:And so we were questioning, okay, so why all of a sudden is she looking that way? And we both were, like, coming up with ideas. Like, is it because there's, like, some kind of magic that keeps her young-looking, and that's, like, going away because it's looking like the prophecy of Allura... vanquishing her or whatever you want to say is coming true. Is it because like you were saying, Oh, it's her evil. That's actually showing through. Yeah. Like, we don't know. We don't know how she came to power. It almost felt like is, uh, please say her name. Yes. Is that like her biological daughter? Like that seemed like that was a really weird relationship between the two of them.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. She turned her into a pig.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, she was really mean to her own kid.
SPEAKER_00:All those pigs outside the castle.
SPEAKER_02:That was horrific,
SPEAKER_00:actually. They had to keep dumping cold water on them because all the pigs were trying to have sex with each other. Is
SPEAKER_02:that real?
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Yeah. Oh, God. Which would have been real different if you were just watching who you think are all these people just started going at it.
SPEAKER_02:Oof.
SPEAKER_00:Oof. Oof, my goof. Yeah, they had to keep the pigs apart.
SPEAKER_02:That was pretty horrific. Yeah, yeah. So good effects in that way.
SPEAKER_00:I say leave that in. It would have even been more horrific. Like, what are they doing? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But like, yeah, I'm just trying to like if the film could have been the pacing could have been picked up a little bit. I think maybe this huge ensemble could have been pared down a little bit.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Because even like.
SPEAKER_00:As a kid, I was just like immersed in this world that they created. So it didn't really I didn't really feel that the first time I saw it. But watching it now, it does feel like halfway through, you're like, oh, we're at the end, right? Nope.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I loved Willow's family. I thought his family was very sweet. I loved his wife. However, whoever he was, like the magistrate or whoever was kind of like a dick to him all the time. What the fuck was that guy's name? Actually, to tell you the truth, the whole sequence where he goes out with like a group of
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Could have been cut. That's a good point. It
SPEAKER_02:could have just been him like, go take the baby and go.
SPEAKER_00:Because they don't see any of them again, do they? No,
SPEAKER_02:not really.
SPEAKER_00:There are no like consequences for that jackass. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So like a lot of that could have been cut. But it is enjoyable. Like you said, I think I have a different response to it as an adult than I did as a kid. Oh,
SPEAKER_00:we didn't talk about the dogs yet. Those evil hounds. Yeah. You know what they were?
SPEAKER_02:Tell me.
SPEAKER_00:They were Rotties.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Roddy is with some like a mask on. I figured. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I figured. Yeah. Because they were not like, whatchamacallit, from The Princess Bride, where I'm like, those are not animatronics. Yeah. Rats of unusual size. Yeah. I was like, those are actual animals that are like in costume. You can just tell from the way that they're moving. Yeah. So hopefully they were treated well. It's always a little iffy. when that is like a real creature being used. It
SPEAKER_00:looked like they were having fun. Sure. Yeah. Running around, tearing up stuff.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I'm curious if we ever had watched the series, if that would inform how we feel about the film now. And we haven't. So who's to say? Unfortunately, like a lot of things nowadays, it's just like was there and then it wasn't. So it went away. I do think I remember Warwick Davis being upset, I think, that it got canceled.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. So that maybe at some point we'll take a look at the show. But it is really fun. It had been a while. And yeah, I think it's like a good background movie, to be honest.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I don't need to
SPEAKER_02:be watching it every single second.
SPEAKER_00:You don't. No. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So then it sounds like I know the answer to would you watch this film again? I will.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I for sure will.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I'm not like looking at you like you're lying to me. You don't have to convince me. Maybe you're trying to convince yourself. Possibly. Call to action. So what was your call to action? It wasn't even about this movie. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. What was it
SPEAKER_02:about?
SPEAKER_00:It was whether or not we're going to see a new Avatar movie or Game of Thrones book first. That's
SPEAKER_02:right. Okay. Well, that could remain your call to action.
SPEAKER_00:My other call to action though. Yes. What is Black Root? There's a scene where Mad Mardigan is giving the baby some black root to chew on. Oh,
SPEAKER_03:yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And Willow says, I have two kids and everyone knows not to give a baby black root. And he says, it'll put hair in her chest. Is it like tobacco for them? Is it like... I
SPEAKER_02:think it is.
SPEAKER_00:In real life, it was just real vanilla bean that they were chewing on. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:The... Well, that's
SPEAKER_00:what Mad Mardigan was. Val Kilmer, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That makes sense. I mean, a baby that young should not be having anything except for formula or milk.
SPEAKER_00:Whatever they were holding. Like, I don't think they had her actually chewing anything. Okay, good.
SPEAKER_02:My call to action would be, like, we've brought this up at various points throughout the episode. I'm curious what people, like, did the same kind of thing come up for them watching the film in terms of like, oh... This reminds me of Star Wars or this reminds me of Gulliver's Travels or this reminds me of the biblical Moses story. So many things. So many things. And there's nothing wrong with that. I think that actually is a strength of Lucas. Like I was saying last night, like he is really good at putting together all these like mythological elements.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So... It's not a criticism.
SPEAKER_00:No, it works better in that direction because there are a lot of superheroes, Superman in particular, that were based in part on, what was it, John Carter? Oh,
SPEAKER_02:really?
SPEAKER_00:Like that failed movie with the guy on Mars. Yep. And he had different powers because of him being... There were a lot of things that were based off that, so... You know, when you go in the wrong direction and people aren't familiar with it, not great. Even if you say like, well, Willow kind of makes me, reminds me of these other stories, but I like it, maybe a little better.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So just would love to know what came to mind. Maybe other stories, tales, whatever, that we haven't even brought up in the episode.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, like Krull.
SPEAKER_02:Is there? No, no, there's not. Okay, okay. So if you want to reach out, we would love to hear from you. You can reach out through Facebook, Instagram, or X at this time. It is the same handle for all three. It is at 80s Montage Pod, and 80s is 80S.
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02:I am almost positive that you have no idea what we're covering next.
SPEAKER_00:You would be correct.
UNKNOWN:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:But I promise to do my best with your clue.
SPEAKER_02:I'm actually really curious if you're going to be mad at me for booking this film. Okay. It's a musical. All right. So the one clue I'm going to give you. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I think you
SPEAKER_02:might be able to get it off this.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Carol Burnett.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, we're going to watch Annie?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Okay. What do you think? What do you think of that? This
SPEAKER_00:is the
SPEAKER_02:first you're hearing this news.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, I have seen this movie. It's ridiculous, but sure. It's
SPEAKER_02:been a really long time since I've watched it, but I just thought it's the beginning of a new year. Honestly, sometimes that's like a depressing time of year for people.
SPEAKER_00:Was this inspired by a Christmas story? No. The reference, like the little orphan Annie that they're listening to on the radio?
SPEAKER_02:It wasn't. I don't know what... prompted me to want to watch this next. I just honestly, like I was saying, sometimes this time of year can be a little bit sad for people. And I was like, well, maybe we do a lighthearted kind of like...
SPEAKER_00:Lighthearted musical. And we've already done the pirate movie, so what do we got
SPEAKER_02:left? So, yeah. And then... Very rarely do we do this. I just do this at the beginning of the season, once mid-season, once end of season. But for anybody out there who does enjoy the podcast, if you were so inclined to want to give us a review on any of the podcast, whatever, Spotify, Apple, wherever you find us, that would be amazing.
SPEAKER_00:And if you've made it this far through... To hear this request, thank you.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, most people, you know, put this right at the beginning and it's super annoying, but we don't do that.
SPEAKER_02:And this will be the last time we do it for a while.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So thank you in the meantime, outside of that, for just listening to the podcast. We know you have lots of choices, so we appreciate you taking the time to listen to ours. And we will talk to you again in two weeks time.