'80s Movie Montage
Breaking down our favorite decade of flicks. Hosted by Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke.
'80s Movie Montage
Pretty in Pink
In their season seven premiere, Anna and Derek discuss Blane's gaslighting of Andie, perhaps the most severe case of friend-zoning ever, and much more during their breakdown of the teen classic Pretty in Pink (1986).
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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.
You can't do this and and respect yourself. Well, I'll make that decision, alright? Sure, you can you can do what you want. You know you're talking like that just because I'm going out with Blaine.
unknown:Blaine?
SPEAKER_03:His name is Blaine? Oh, that's a major appliance. That's not a name. Just because I'm going out with Blaine doesn't mean I can't be friends with you.
SPEAKER_02:Hello, and welcome to 80s movie montage. This is Derek.
SPEAKER_01:And this is Anna.
SPEAKER_02:And that was Molly Ringwald as Andy and John Cryer as Ducky in 1986's Pretty in Pink.
SPEAKER_01:And our season seven.
SPEAKER_02:Wow.
SPEAKER_01:Uh premiere episode, I guess you would say. Our first episode of the season.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think so, yeah. Yeah. Amazing.
SPEAKER_01:Amazing season seven. And yeah, this is which is kind of ridiculous that uh it's taken us seven seasons to finally get to this movie. It it has, although For for me, although for you it's it's different.
SPEAKER_02:I I had never, oddly enough, never seen this movie from start to finish. I I I knew of it. I had seen some scenes. I had seen arguably like a different version of it in some kind of wonderful. Yes, yes. And maybe because I saw that one, like I was more familiar with that even before this one. So like that that's my like kind of preference, but I had never seen them both before.
SPEAKER_01:So of okay, so like this wasn't directed by John Hughes, but it was written by him, and I consider consider it part of his um what's that word? Ouv Ouvre?
SPEAKER_02:Ouvre that is not the word I was thinking of.
SPEAKER_01:Of Teen Flicks.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh so there's six of them in total.
SPEAKER_02:This is way like I would I think most people would associate this with Hughes more so than even some kind of wonderful.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, I would agree with that. I would agree with that. But of those six films, so Sixteen Candles, The Breakfast Club, Pretty and Pink, Weird Science, Some Kind of Wonderful, and Ferris Bieler's Day Off, was this the only one you had not seen in its entirety? I think so. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Interesting.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And because you did so, I'm gonna pick your brain a little bit before we dive in just because it is probably pretty unusual for somebody to have seen some kind of wonderful before Pretty and Pink. Yeah. So, and and they're compared a lot a lot. They're for a good reason. For good reasons. Um, so I'm assuming that your preference would be for some kind of wonderful.
SPEAKER_02:That came out after Pretty and Pink, right? Or on its heels. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just think that there's like a little bit more in some kind of one. Like, I like the Watts character way more than I like Ducky. But Ducky.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you were a fan of Ducky, really.
SPEAKER_02:Ducky is a truly tragic character. I mean, that that scene that we opened with is him just like tearing into uh into Andy because she's gonna go on a date with Boy.
SPEAKER_01:He's being kind of an insult.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, he like this movie, and I think I said this when we were watching it, this is for whatever reason what I thought John Kusek's character was gonna be in Say Anything. Like the over-the-top, like, way over the top, if I just like profess my love enough different ways, how can this girl Which we have done say anything with Danielle?
SPEAKER_01:Go check out that episode.
SPEAKER_02:Like, how could Andy not fall in love with with this with Ducky? Because look at how extra he is. He is way extra.
SPEAKER_01:It's funny because we are gonna be throwing around probably some very uh at the time that this will be released, 2026, terms that were not around per se, uh in 1986, which is that's kind of interesting. I don't know if we this was not intentional, but we are opening the season with a film that's exactly 40 years old at this point.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, but like incel, gaslighting, like there's a lot of There was a lot of that.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, which Okay, so are you aware then that the ending was reshot?
SPEAKER_02:I was aware of the different ending because it is a plot point in Ready Player 2.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, interesting.
unknown:Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02:I read I read that book and I'm like, oh, there's a lot of like um John Hughes. There's like a whole John Hughes virtual planet thing. So that's how I um Planet Hughes. Yeah, that's how I learned about that.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, well we'll we'll cause I think that uh we'll get to it. It's very frustrating to me that they did it, although I don't know if I would have actually agreed with the original ending either, but for 1986 it would have been, I think, too progressive for Andy to have walked away from both dudes, which so is what would have made the most sense.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02:She clearly she clearly just did not have those kinds of feelings for Ducky, possibly the most friendzoned individual.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I was laughing very hard because for you not having seen the film when you brought that up, I was like, yeah, it is probably textbook example of just getting friend zoned hard.
SPEAKER_02:But like they And then at the end, like Buffy the Vampire Slayer wanted to hook up with him at the end of the day.
SPEAKER_01:He seemed like he was on the rebound, so he like looks at the camera.
SPEAKER_02:There's like a fourth wall thing there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't know. Okay, and that's part of I mean, that's part of the reshot ending. So we'll we'll get into all that at the end.
SPEAKER_02:So that's what they they like threw him like here, here you go, you get someone too. I think so.
SPEAKER_01:I think so. Yeah. Because it would make sense for it. For for what the original ending was going to be, there would have been no reason for them to have shot that uh Christy Swanson part of it. So okay, so let's let's dive in. So this wasn't intentional either, but because we had just finished our season six finale of National Lampoons Christmas Vacation and brought up Hughes for that. Yes, that's what made us go, oh my God, we really need to do Pretty in Pink. So we have literally just covered John Hughes. Uh, I don't know, maybe you're coming to this podcast fresh for season seven. If so, welcome. Love to have you along. I am not trying to shortchange Hughes, but because we did literally just cover him in the previous episode, I'm gonna kind of fly through some of these credits.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, he did a lot of stuff. You're probably familiar with it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and and I say this every single time. I don't think that there was a single credit that he had. And honestly, like he was a prolific writer. I'm only going over his writing credits because that was his involvement to some degree, I think he produced, um, on this film.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But he he was a prolific writer, so much of what he did was never even produced. I think they I've read that they found a ton of work that he had done that just, you know, never saw the light of day. But of what was produced, we have Mr. Mom, which might be, even though like I love these teen flicks with their flaws and all, Mr. Mom might be one of my favorites uh outside of those. National Lampoons Vacation, of course, the other like vacations of the of the 80s.
SPEAKER_02:Of the world.
SPEAKER_01:Because he didn't really stick with that particular franchise. Maybe he kept producing on it, but um, he has writing credits for vacation, European vacation, and Christmas vacation. Uh let's see here. So, okay, so we're starting with these teen flicks then in chronological order, started with 16 candles, then we did Breakfast Club, Weird Science Came Next, Ferris Bheeler's Day Off, Some Kind of Wonderful. Um, and yeah, Sandwiched in Between Ferris and Some Kind of Wonderful is where Pretty and Pink falls in.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:He did Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, which we've also covered. I mean, there there will be a couple other opportunities for us to cover him, especially uh We still haven't talked about Sixteen Candles. Yeah. There's one. However, you know that I'm holding on to that one until the day comes probably when we do our finale, like series finale.
SPEAKER_02:Well, we'll still do it, but yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We'll still do it. And yes, so this is the fourth of the teen flicks that we're covering. So the two that are outstanding are sixteen candles and weird science. Weird science will get to. There are things that I love about that movie, but it's also just like highly problematic in a lot of regards.
SPEAKER_02:So it was sixteen candles. So yes, yeah, a lot of these. I mean, it makes sense a lot of movies from the 80s do have uh elements that wouldn't fly today. Correct. So it makes sense that like teen comedies would would like firmly land in that big genre.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And I mean, look, we've had this conversation, in fact, with some of our guests where, you know, it's not I think that there's just a line to walk. I I don't think it's really serving anyone to ignore the problematic elements of the films from this decade, but I also don't think we're harping on them. I think, you know, you bring them up, you call them out, you say that that doesn't fly in 2026, and you move on. So, but I don't think ignoring them serves serves the film or the audience.
SPEAKER_02:No, I mean I I just try to enjoy them and it's it's impossible to like I'm watching them right now, like this movie, Pretty in Pink, I had never seen before. So there are some where I remember seeing them as a kid where I've like can visualize like watching this movie through the lens of like me as a kid.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_02:And I can kind of think about how some of these things would have landed then versus now, versus like if you hadn't seen any of these movies before and it's the first time you're watching it, it it would like land differently. Like I've I've like seen or read stories of people who showed their kids home alone for the first time and they were like horrified by the violence, by the violence, by the way that Kevin was treated. So like we have the advantage of having seen these, and even if I hadn't seen this when it first came out, I've seen enough of Hughes' movies or movies like this to where there's like similar like jokes.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:You know, so I'm like kind of know what to expect.
SPEAKER_01:Uh couple slurs are thrown around in this film as well.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, we're just talking about like slurs that I saw watching The Office. Right. Where I'm like, holy shit.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yep, yep. Um, well, what I was gonna say is like probably the opportunity that we'll present sooner than later are the couple collaborations he did with John Candy that fall in the 80s. So um Oh, Summer Rental? Um I don't think he was part of Summer Rental. I was thinking Great Outdoors and Uncle Buck.
SPEAKER_02:I was just thinking of John Candy's.
SPEAKER_01:That's fair. That's fair. Uh she's having a baby. And then, yeah, so now we're getting into the 90s. He wrote Home Alone famously, uh, although Chris Columbus directed that one. He also wrote its sequel to Lost to New York.
SPEAKER_02:We don't talk about that one.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we don't talk about that one. Uh, Dutch Curly Sue, he did Beethoven under his pseudonym Edmund Dantes. Uh, that will always just make me chuckle. Um, Dennis the Menace, Babies Day Out, 101 Dalmatians, Flubber, and Maid in Manhattan. All right. Okay, so it has been a minute, but the director of this particular film, Howard Deutsch. Thank you. I I I think I always say I just always say it wrong. So thank you.
SPEAKER_02:I knew someone with that last name, so thank you.
SPEAKER_01:I I appreciate you saving me from embarrassing myself. So what's interesting about this is that this was his feature film debut.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Up to this point, he had done a lot of music videos. I think um a couple for like Billy Idol, a couple other people.
SPEAKER_02:Billy Joel. He was popular with the Billy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he's popular with the Billy's. Um and what's fascinating about his career in part is that so he does this film and then he immediately follows it with some kind of wonderful. So that's the first time we brought him up.
SPEAKER_02:That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, that the same guy directed both of these.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, exactly. Exactly. And so the fact that he directed both of them, and then this isn't even the first time, or I'm sorry, it's not the only time that he's directed two films that I'm like, they're kind of the same movie, aren't they? And I'll get to them in a second.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Um, but yeah, so he he takes on the directing duties for these presumably like last two teen films of John Hughes. Okay. And they are very similar in nature. Please go check out some kind of wonderful. We did that a couple seasons ago. Uh love that film. I think the last time we talked probably about Hughes more so in his writing credits, I flip-flop a lot among the teen films that I have the most love for, but I I feel like I usually come back to some kind of wonderful, which is I think kind of interesting because maybe of his teen flicks, it's the least. I don't know. I don't am I speaking on turn to say it's the least popular? Maybe not.
SPEAKER_02:It just excuse me, it feels like it is like it lives off to the side a little bit compared to like, and maybe it's just because of like the it's like a different cast.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, totally different cast.
SPEAKER_02:You don't have like the whole the colour.
SPEAKER_01:It's not set in Illinois. Yeah. It it it is its own kind of thing.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, but so he does those two, and then he does the great outdoors, so he continues a little bit of a collaboration with Hughes. And then this is what's so funny to me is that he directs Grumpier Old Men and he directs The Odd Couple 2. Same movie, same movie, same actors. Yeah, exactly. Uh yeah, it was Walter Mathau and um Lemon? Yes. Yes. So I just thought that was really funny that that happens kind of twice in his career.
SPEAKER_02:That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01:He so I don't know if you realize that he's married to Leah Thompson. So he met he met her on some kind of wonderful. Huh. There's a little bit of an age difference there. Okay. That was gonna be my I knew that's what you were. I could see the wheels cranking.
SPEAKER_02:Either he's like just had this amazing success as a they're still married to this day. Well, good for them. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And and the reason why I bring that up is because he so later in his career, I have a couple other films for him, but he's he's transitioned very solidly into television. So he has he has done that for probably at this point, given the the length of his career, maybe more than half of it. Earlier or earlier on, I should say, he directed his own wife again in Carolina in the city. Oh, really? Okay. So I have that credit for him. He did a couple episodes of that. So he did do a couple more films, and what's funny to me is um just the I I don't think that the the it's the same topic or theme or genre, but he does the replacements, so a football film.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, with Kenna Reeves, Eugene Hackman.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That was like them all doing like, let's do a quirky movie.
SPEAKER_01:But then he also does the whole ten yards, which sounds like a football movie, but it's not, right?
SPEAKER_02:That's the one with um Is that the sequel to the whole nine yards?
SPEAKER_01:Wow, he does a lot of sequels, doesn't he? Yeah, I think you're right.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think that's the one with like Bruce Willis and um Matthew Perry.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. That's so funny. Uh so yeah, he does both those. And then if you go through his career or his filmography, I should say, it okay, so first of all, very common. Probably anybody who has familiarity with television production knows that typically directors uh they're not hired, you know, a film is its own contained project. So if all things go well, you have one director for one film, but for a television series, you're constantly swapping in and out different directors.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, that's changed a little bit. Uh, I would say, especially with streaming shows, because first of all, there's like seven episodes. Exactly. First of all, there's far fewer episodes, yeah. And also, you know, it's I don't know, I don't want to go down a whole rabbit hole, but television has definitely seen a spike in what I would say is like auteur theory, like autours in television where that used to be more so the domain of film, but you have people like Taylor Sheridan, um, these people who really take the reins of their projects, and that means typically they write, they're they direct, they produce, and so sometimes you are now getting shows where it's not being uh directed by a different person for every episode.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, do you think part of that is because there's like this like middle weird phantom zone between what what we would have considered traditional TV and movies in the form of like streaming platforms? Like the the Yellowstone and like some of those shows, it it just feels like it's like there's uh something different going on with those very much so versus like the law and order type of like Oh yeah, 100% like network.
SPEAKER_01:Network versus streaming, and even like right now we are in the midst of watching the final season of Stranger Things.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:And definitely they have like I'm I'm clocking who they're having direct these last couple episodes, and you know, they're they are occasionally swapping in directors, like it's crazy that Frank Darebont has directed a couple episodes, but a lot of the time it's it's the people who created the show, so it's either the Duffer Brot brothers or it's Sean Levy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So no, no relation to Eugene or Dan. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um so in any case, sorry for that whole aside, but what I my point that I was my long-winded point is that if you go through his career, his filmography, you'll see a lot of one-offs and two-offs of different shows, and that's very normal. It's very normal for television work. However, some of the shows that he had a little bit longer stints on uh True Blood, Getting On, Outcast, Young Sheldon, and most recently Will Trent.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I don't think I realized that that was like how that worked. But listening to a podcast with Kevin Smith, and he would always talk about how he would like direct like single episodes for some of the WBs like uh superhero, like for Supergirl or like some of those other arrow. I don't know if he actually directed anything for Arrow, but he would just do like an episode here, an episode there.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, it's fascinating when you think about how shows can still remain cohesive when you have different directors, but the reason being is that in television, it's really not the They have like a they have a plan. They have like a thing in the Yeah, and it's really not the director running the show, it's the show runner running the show, hence the name. So it that is the person that is overseeing the entire It's their vision. It's their vision, yeah, exactly. So okay, cinematography. This gentleman, he's probably retired at this point, Tak Fujimoto. What a career. Actually, when I was it's it's been a minute since we've gone over him, and um maybe, maybe there's one more chance to to get to him. But I actually started getting really annoyed because he's had an amazing career and he was never even nominated once for an Oscar.
SPEAKER_02:And he's done some That's insane because I'm looking at amazing work. Yeah. Looking at some of the credits, that's that is Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's it's shameful.
SPEAKER_02:That is why I maybe don't really watch those shows.
SPEAKER_01:It's shameful that he was uh especially some of these that I'll bring up. Especially out the gate, the fact that he was the DP on Badlands, um, Terence Malik. I mean, Terrence Malik is an amazing filmmaker and very much an auteur, as is some would say. But, you know, even though he might have a heavy hand in terms of like how things are shot, Badlands beautiful film, and you gotta hand it to talk on this one. Like that's that was he was part of that. So I'm kind of surprised he wasn't nominated for that. Some of these are fun. He did Death Race 2000, Cannonball. So the first time we brought him up was First Wheeler's Day Off. Okay. Yeah. So he did that, Married to the Mob. I'm s very surprised he was not nominated for The Silence of the Lambs.
SPEAKER_02:I would, yeah. At least a nomination.
SPEAKER_01:At least a nomination. That film got fucking nominated for everything else.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So, like, how? How was he not nominated? Uh, he did singles. I would have maybe thought he could have gotten nominated for Philadelphia.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, that's the other one that I was looking at.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. Devil in a blue dress. So he reteams uh for Grumpier Own Men. So he shoots that. He does that thing you do. He probably could have gotten nominated for Beloved. It is a, if I may say, convoluted film. It probably is better as a book. Uh, but it was a gorgeous-looking film.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He did also because he teamed up with um M. Night a few times over the course of his career. Like I said, I think he's retired at this point, but he shot The Sixth Sense. Could have definitely gotten a nomination for that.
SPEAKER_02:I don't, yeah, I don't that one. I'm like, what what would you have classified like just a supernatural thriller or something?
SPEAKER_01:It was nominated for best pitcher.
SPEAKER_02:Was it really? Yeah. I mean, obviously it didn't win, but I I don't understand why there's not a single nom, but when we we see things like Why is there not a single nomination? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Not even a nomination.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's that's wild.
SPEAKER_01:He reteams once again with Deutsch for the replacements. He did shoot signs. Um swing away. This one is kind of a swing and a miss, the happening, but you know, there you have it. Not every everyone's uh home run.
SPEAKER_02:They're not all bangers.
SPEAKER_01:And then his last credit as of now, which again kind of to me signals that he's retired because he's I think in his 80s at this point. It was 2013's God's Behaving Badly.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, his filmography speaks for itself. Right. Regardless of any nomination.
SPEAKER_01:It's true, but I just it it irks me when people don't get the recognition that I'm gonna be.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, a lot of the awards are it's the the Academy Awards are the ones that I used to at least be able to take somewhat seriously, unlike like the Grammys are probably the ones I take the least seriously. Yeah. Where it's like, what this is all nonsense. But the Academy has been like veering closer to just like nonsense.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't know if we've talked about it a lot over the course of this entire podcast, but maybe it's bit of an it. I mean, I don't know. I I feel like a little bit it's it's more than one thing, but like an example I bring up all the time is the fact that like at the time the film Tootsie got nominated and won a fair amount of Oscars. I can't imagine a film like that getting nominated today for anything.
SPEAKER_04:Nope.
SPEAKER_01:And and I think that there's kind of an interesting, I don't know, conversation to be had around like populist film.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And both the quality of that film and also the recognition that it gets from the Academy.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, the Academy, just as like a lay person, it always feels like, excuse me, again, they want to let us know what art is instead of allowing me to just enjoy something that's been made.
SPEAKER_01:And look, I'm not saying everything deserves just because it's popular doesn't mean that it's a good film. Yeah. But I feel like the academy is it can be both.
SPEAKER_02:It can be popular and a good film. And it's sometimes it's like, well, this is too popular.
SPEAKER_01:And part of it is like, you know, studios, filmmakers, what have you. Um, you know, there's just more of a divide nowadays between what is and look, sometimes you have a crossover. The Marvel movies have crossed over in a lot of regards. But it's either you do this like art house, nobody sees it movie, um, and and you get a ton of Oscar nominations.
SPEAKER_02:I think you just described the the movie that won last year instead of instead of the Demi Moore movie.
SPEAKER_01:And the thing is, is that I was just looking at the short list for what will almost certainly be nominated, at least some of them, it's a short list. Yeah. So films that will be nominated for best picture, and I'm like, I've seen one of those movies. So I am, as somebody who loves film, getting further and further away myself from even just being interested in a lot of those movies. But anyway, music, Michael Gore. So we have talked about him before. He can definitely come up again in the future. Uh really interesting career. So the time that we brought him up was when we covered fame. Definitely go check out that episode. That one was a lot of fun to record. So he got a lot of attention for that. Speaking of the Oscars, he won best original song for the titular fame.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, well, that'll do it.
SPEAKER_01:That'll do it, as well as best original score. So he gets double wins and he had a third nomination for the same film for another song out here on my own. So he went up against himself and won. Um tough to do. Tough to do.
SPEAKER_02:Even if he loses, he wins.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. So the other film that at some point down the road we will cover terms of endearment, he got another best original score Oscar nomination. Uh, a couple other credits, Defending Your Life, The Butcher's Wife, and I was about to say more recently, but this was still in the 90s, Superstar.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that was 26 years ago. Right?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, don't say that.
unknown:That's so old.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Film editing. We have brought up this gentleman before. He has passed. He passed in 2018. Richard Marks.
SPEAKER_02:Who?
SPEAKER_01:I know you know. Thank you for not disappointing me with that. So what a career he had as well. He was multi-oscar nominated. Unfortunately, never won. We've covered him, like I said, a handful of times. Some but it but it's been a minute. It's been a couple of seasons since the last time. Earlier in his career, he cut Bang the Drum Drum slowly. Surpico. Surpico. You can't say that title without saying it that way.
unknown:Sipico.
SPEAKER_02:I do it because there's like a uh always sunny episode that's like a play on Surpico.
SPEAKER_01:And that's how they say it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Surco.
SPEAKER_01:Uh he cut The Godfather part two. He you know, it's funny because uh okay, Pock Clips Now was a behemoth of a film in every regard. So they had multiple people working on the editing of this film, and he was part of the editorial department that was nominated for the film. He also cut Pennies from Heaven. He gets uh actually, wait a minute. That's interesting. Okay, two back-to-back people that both worked on terms of endearment. So he got a best film editing, so he get he gets an astronom too um for terms of endearment for film editing. I wanted to just make sure that I didn't like weirdly I don't know how I would have mixed that up, but no, they each, both Michael Gore and Richard Marks, got nominations for that film in their respective categories. So probably the first time we talked about him was for the adventurers of Buckaroo Bonsai Across the Eighth Dimension.
SPEAKER_02:That guy just drove right through a mountain. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And we covered that one with uh, I believe, three-time guest Owen. That was the first time I think he was on the show.
SPEAKER_02:He's like our Alec Baldwin on SNL.
SPEAKER_01:He's close. There's a couple. Him, Casey. Yeah, we got a couple of them. He also cut St. Emma's Fire, which we will certainly do at some point. Probably the last time we brought him up was when we covered broadcast news with Jennifer. He also got an Oscar nomination for that. And then sandwiched probably in between Buckaro Bonsai and Broadcast News will say anything. Yeah. That we did with Danielle, as I mentioned. Go check that out. He cut Dick Tracy, Father of the Bride, Things to Do in Denver When You're Dead. He received his last uh editing Oscar nomination for As Good as It Gets.
SPEAKER_02:It's a good movie.
SPEAKER_01:Good movie.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He also cut You've Got Mail, Spanglish, Julie and Julia, and his final credit was How Do You Know?
SPEAKER_02:Spanglish is uh like I feel like that's part of the start of well, I don't know, maybe not the start, but when Sandler was going in like different more like different types of directions. Yeah. Like not Happy Gilmore 2.
SPEAKER_01:I totally agree with you. I mean But that's fine.
SPEAKER_02:Like I loved Happy Gilmore.
SPEAKER_01:I still have not seen Happy Gilmore 2, but I I don't know, probably most people would disagree with me on this. I think he has a touch, a touch, a touch, a touch of more serious acting in um The Wedding Singer. Like there are some moments of emotional gravitas.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But I I think you're right. That still is just a straight comedy, but I think he he goes a little a little bit outside of his usual stick shtick in that film, too. That's fair. But I'm I'm pushing that point. Okay, we're at the stars of this film, and actually we do have a fair number of people to talk about. Uh yeah, it's a bit of an ensemble cast, starting with Molly Rainwald. Haven't talked about her in a minute.
SPEAKER_02:We have not.
SPEAKER_01:So she plays Andy. She is I would say the like well, she's caught in the it's not a love triangle, really.
SPEAKER_02:She does not feel that way about Ducky at all, not even a little friend, great friend. They grew up, it sounds like together, like they've spent all high school together or whatever, right? So it is, it is out it it is a love straight line between her and and Blaine.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and especially I was because I was You want to give me a dotted line from Ducky towards her?
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:The fact that you hadn't seen it before, and I knew that when we were watching it, I was kind of thinking, oh my god, how are you interpreting this? Because, you know, it being part of my childhood, you're not clocking things that that you would clock in the same way if it was fresh. And like, for instance, the scene where they play it for laughs, but where she comes home, she's hoping that Blaine has called her, and instead she has like half dozen voicemails from Ducky.
SPEAKER_02:Look, the challenge in in like watching the movie and their relationship or how Ducky is acting towards towards Andy is that I don't know how many guys would admit it, but probably a shockingly large number of guys, particularly in hosp in in high school, almost at hospital. Number of guys in high school have probably been in exactly that kind of position and acted over the top in some way just to try to get the affection of someone that they had a crush on.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think that most high school guys are as transparent as Ducky was when literally. I've always loved you, I want to be with you. Like he is very, very uh transparent about that. But I'm not really saying that in a positive way because she, you know, it's like, look, she's told you no, you need to drop it. Yeah. You know, like she's she's made she she has been equally transparent with him. I don't think that there's any point in the film that we see where it looks like she's leading him on.
SPEAKER_02:They like she's not, but the fact that when they have that conversation when they're like studying and she like gives him a close hug and tells him like sometimes you For a high school guy, that could be yeah, you're like, oh, attention. Yeah, no, it that's and it's not fair necessarily for her because she should he she should like have the right to have a friend and feel that way without him like getting completely like crazy, which which he does in the scene that we open this episode with. But that's in some ways, it's like one of the most realistic yet exaggerated high school types of things that that you'll see in a lot of these movies. More more hey, look, way more realistic than that one couple in the lower left of the scene in prom when they just go crazy dancing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know that those two, it's like uh Monica and Ross.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, they had the routine.
SPEAKER_01:They had the routine.
SPEAKER_02:So between that and Ducky, Ducky is way more realistic.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's the dynamic between them. I mean, you get like a couple throwaway lines where she talks about how they've known each other since they were kids, and you know, so I get it that for her, that's the dynamic that she's just accustomed to. I mean, she has way more patience than I would have. Like, at because look, for for somebody who I think is seeing it with fresh eyes, there's a very valid case to be made that like he's he's harassing her.
SPEAKER_02:Like he the yeah, in the in the record store when he keeps setting the alarm.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like nothing that he does to me presents in a lot of ways like a reciprocated friendship. But then she even says to Iona, have you ever had one of these? So she's like in her own way, and I again I'm not saying this negatively, she's kind of like dismissive of it. Like, you know, she he's kind of like a pest in in some ways, but I do know she cares for him.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So it's it's a real it's like a little brother, I guess, kind of. That's maybe the best way that I can put a label on how she views him.
SPEAKER_02:That's probably the only other thing that she could have said to him to make him feel worse than just saying you're like a little brother to me.
SPEAKER_01:So Ringwald. Um I've well, I don't want I don't want to overstate the the experience, but I did meet her.
SPEAKER_02:That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I and that was a that was a fun little moment for me. I was at a work party.
SPEAKER_02:I don't think you can overstate that.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I mean, it was it was a passing hello. Like stuff. I was I was at a holiday party for a company that I once worked for, and you know, a lot of people know that I do, you know, like I've said, flaws and all, have a great love for these films. I did my master's thesis on these teen films. And so the people that I worked with knew that, and somebody came up to me and was like, Molly Ringwall's here. And so at the time, besides being an actress, she's written a couple of books. I'm sure she does other things as well. And I had just just by coincidence, I had just read one of the books that she had written. And so it's like, okay, here's my angle. I'm not gonna tell her how much I love her as an actress because I bet you everybody does that. I'm gonna tell her how much I loved her book. And so so that's what I did. And she was very kind, she was very polite, and she just said, Thank you so much. Nice, and we smiled and we went on our way. Yeah. So but why are you laughing? She was very kind. Yeah, no, she was lovely. So I that was my way of playing it cool. I was like my own ducky in that moment.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh so her acting career, she's still very much working. Um she's had a really interesting career because like she's very, very early. She's a child actor. She probably had her bigger claim to fame up until her films, her collaboration with Hughes, for being on Facts of Life, which crossover.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, go, no, go for it.
SPEAKER_02:She was on the facts of life and different strokes as the same uh character. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So facts of life, I forget all the time that that is a spin-off of Different Strokes.
SPEAKER_02:I forgot it so many times that I think.
SPEAKER_01:No, I think Facts of Life is a spin off of Different Strokes. I don't think Different Strokes is the spin off of Facts of Life.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And so yeah, you're absolutely right. She plays the same character named Molly. And so she was on Facts of Life, but after I think the first season, they did some retooling with the show. She didn't stay with it, or maybe she for the fact that her film career was taking off.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't remember. So, but yeah, she has her huge, huge, huge, huge breakthrough in 16 candles. Yeah. And then this kicks off this collaboration with John Hughes for a few years. Um, she follows that up with The Breakfast Club, and then Pretty in Pink is the last of those teen film collaborations with Hughes. I won't go down the rabbit hole. There is a ton of literature out there about kind of the falling out that they had. He wanted to keep working with her. Both her and like probably the other actor that had the same volume of collaborative projects with Hughes was um Anthony Michael Hall. And I think they both had similar views. Like they were young actors, they had done these films a few times over at this point. Although arguably she had more diversity in the roles that she played. Because like in 16 or um, I'm sorry, in Breakfast Club, she's Claire, she's like the haughty-tawdy upper class chick, and in this, she's the opposite.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, in 16 Candles, she is rich, and in Pretty and Pink, she is not rich.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, 16 Candles, she's more so the middle class.
SPEAKER_02:You know what? Well Sam.
SPEAKER_01:Well, okay, sure, sure, sure, sure. But like you would I I'm gesturing with my hand now. At the top would be Claire in The Breakfast Club, then Sam in Sixteen Candles, and then Andy in Pretty and Pink.
SPEAKER_02:She she would be middle class in Sixteen Candles in the same way that Kevin's family was middle class in Home Alone, where they have this big ass head. Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly that. Like this is we're talking about John Hughes world. So um yeah. So I'll just say, you know, Hughes wanted to keep working with both of them, I believe, and they both, you know, I don't know how these conversations went down, but like essentially like, no, I want to do something different. He took that very personally, and that kind of caused a riff um between him and both actors. To my knowledge, I don't know that if there was any kind of like reconciliation at some point. I don't know. That's not my business really.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. But um I hope so because like the reality is probably that their careers don't take off in the same way without Hughes, and Hughes' movies don't take off the way they did without them.
SPEAKER_01:Sure. I mean, I have brought this up um probably the last time we talked about something involving her in some way. In the same way that I've mentioned problematic elements in retrospect with these films, she too has talked about portrayals of different characters in the films that she worked with with Hughes. I suppose it's not too far off from the way that I talk about it, but I do think that like some of the things that she said, it's like, well, it's I don't Know what he could defend, or if he would have said, You're right, I'm a different person if he were still with us than I was in the mid-80s. I would have written things differently. Yeah. Or if he would have tooth and nail defended himself. I don't know. But she has brought this these things up after his passing, to my understanding, which I'm like, it's a lot tougher for him to say much of anything. Exactly. So that's that's all I'll say about that. But um, sprinkled in with all these Hughes films, she does the pickup artist. Um, and then she she's still kind of doing teen films. She does for keeps, that's about teen pregnancy. Uh, she reteams with Andrew McCarthy for Fresh Horses. They're both in that. She now begins to kind of move into TV again. So she does a show called Townies. She does have a role in the film Teaching Mrs. Tinkle. She for a while was on a TV show called The Secret Life of the American Teenager. She has a role in the film Gem and the holograms. And then now in this like kind of latter part of her career, very solidly in TV, she's on different shows, Raising Expectations, Monster, Riverdale, and Feud.
SPEAKER_02:And of course, she was Franny in Stephen King's The Stand.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, my apologies.
SPEAKER_02:When they had the uh TV series kind of like it.
SPEAKER_01:Got it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So I did a little retooling of the credits and the way that they're listed because for the way that I look at it, the people who are most prominent in the film.
SPEAKER_02:Are we skipping over uh Harry Dean's stand?
SPEAKER_01:Okay, just temporarily. Yeah, we're just temporarily.
SPEAKER_02:Jumping over him to John Cryer first. Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Well done. Okay. So Ducky, because he's arguably second lead in this film. Yeah. Um him him and McCarthy, they kind of share that. So John Cryer, uh uh like look, these first couple people that I'm talking about all have had wildly successful careers uh since since Pretty in Pink. Cryer included, and absolutely in TV work. Uh so he he does have a couple other films that I'll bring up. He, I don't know, infamously was in Superman 4 The Quest for Peace.
SPEAKER_02:Oh man, yeah, he he was, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So he does that.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, everything about that movie is infamously.
SPEAKER_01:It's not a great film, but a film we can cover. So maybe at some point he'll he'll come back.
SPEAKER_02:Infamously.
SPEAKER_01:Infamously. I'm going a little out of order, but a couple of his other films include Hotshots, and just because I love saying this, The Papatus of Love. Oh yeah. But very solidly in the television world, some of his shows include the famous Teddy Z. Oh. That's when he was still pretty young. Partners, Getting Personal, The Trouble with Normal. And then maybe people know him from that those shows. However, his big baddie, that's probably not the right way to put it, but the big show is two and a half men.
SPEAKER_02:By by far. Everyone else on that show changed. I don't think so, really, but she's the constant.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he was in a lot of ways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What it was like over like 262 episodes or something like that.
SPEAKER_02:It was exactly 262 episodes.
SPEAKER_01:Uh hold on to stuff. Um more recently, he I think was uh Lex Luthor in the TV series Supergirl. And is that right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I don't know if he was like, because there's a whole like uh like TV universe kind of with like Supergirl, and then there was like a Superman, like another Superman uh series that I think ended, and I saw him in a clip where it's like the whole multiverse thing, and he visits like a particular particular multiverse where that Superman gave up his powers and it really pissed off Lex, but Superman was still strong enough to just like punch him in the face.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, interesting.
SPEAKER_02:But yeah, I noticed that it was like, oh wow, it's Ducky. Crazy.
SPEAKER_01:Crazy. And then more recently than that, he was on a TV show called Extended Family.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because when I'm looking at his credits, I see him on Arrow, DC, Legends of Tomorrow, The Flash, Batwoman, like he's Luther and all the time.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you for saying that.
SPEAKER_02:I I didn't I couldn't list everything, but yes, he's a it's across all of the it's I think they called it the Arrowverse because Arrow was the first WB like um DC show that everything else kind of like flowed from, I think.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, moving on to Blaine. The what does he call that? A kitchen appliance?
SPEAKER_02:Just like that's a made that's a major appliance.
SPEAKER_01:Major appliance. Played by Andrew McCarthy. So yeah, I mean, I guess this is as good a time as any to bring up the reshot ending because it does obviously involve Blaine and Weight loss and a wig. I mean, it kind of works because he does look like shit at a prom.
SPEAKER_02:Such a harrowing time.
SPEAKER_01:I guess when you are a teenager, I mean that's the other thing. That's why I want to give this I know you hate this phrase, but I want to give this film a lot of grace because I'm I'm trying to think back to when you're a high schooler and like, yeah, you the heart wants what the heart wants. And even if this guy is not the right guy for her, and he really didn't treat her that great.
SPEAKER_02:Uh they're they're like high school kids. Who cares? Go go have some fun, kids. Sure, sure. Whatever.
SPEAKER_01:So that's the only reason why I can kind of forgive this ending.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I've already stated, I don't actually think, maybe I didn't say it explicitly enough. I don't think she should end up with Ducky. I think she should walk in and out of that place alone, like she originally had planned to do.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh I think that was that was the move.
SPEAKER_02:But so if it man, at least there was there was like some chemistry with Watts and um Keith.
SPEAKER_01:A lot of a lot of chemistry.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. So that at least if if there had been something at the end where this there's this like epiphany where she realizes that, oh, I am in love with Ducky. No.
SPEAKER_00:No. I would have never bought that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I'm I'm on the cusp of laughing because I want you to say what you said when we were watching the movie in terms of their first romantic encounter. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:It's like the direction was can we make this somehow more awkward than the kiss in the in the shower in American Werewolf in London?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And they did. It's not great. It's not great.
SPEAKER_02:Let me just grip your shoulders. And that was him like grasping her shoulders.
SPEAKER_01:But also I was like, okay, high school, I guess, maybe you haven't learned how to kiss yet. I have no idea. Although they they claim that Blaine is supposed to, I'll get to the synopsis in a in a minute, but they claim that Blaine is like a Playboy. And like, I don't know if I get that off him, but you know, he's just he just runs with the rich crowd. That's what I get off of him is that he's uh what does he call himself the heir to McDonnell Electric?
SPEAKER_02:Something like something like that. I mean he Steph was the uh like the the ladies' man kind of getting it. Very much so. He's the playboy. And they wanted originally, didn't they want Spader to play that role of Blaine? And he was like, you know what? I'd it's it's more fun for me to be the villain.
SPEAKER_01:And he was, I'll get to him, but he is one of my favorite parts of this whole film because he is just so deliciously icky in this role, um, his role. But as far as Blaine goes, I mean, you know, I I brought up the whole like using phrases from 2026. I think it's completely appropriate, though, to say that at the end of this film, Blaine is gaslighting Andy.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, big time.
SPEAKER_01:Where he's saying to her, you didn't believe in me. I believed in you.
SPEAKER_02:I always believed in you. You never believed in me. That's why I couldn't take you to the I'm like, you fucking ghosted her!
SPEAKER_01:Like, well, you lied and then you ghosted her. Or you ghosted her and then you lied.
SPEAKER_02:And then you wanted like you don't even you don't even r understand how this has nothing to do with you.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Excuse me?
SPEAKER_01:It it was crazy to me. And I mean, okay, so if anybody doesn't actually know the story, the ending was was shot. It was Andy and ending up with Ducky. Oh, okay. They showed it to test audiences. Test audiences actually booed.
SPEAKER_02:Rejected this.
SPEAKER_01:They fully rejected, which look, that's fine. But the the fact that they rejected Andy going with Ducky, that checks out to me. However, unfortunately, this test audience, they're just like, we want her to go with the cute boy. And so that's why she they had to call everybody back together again. They shot it in a day. Uh, to your point about McCarthy's appearance, he had moved on. I think he was doing some play. He had to shave his head, so he's wearing a wig. Exactly. I mean, he looks terrible. He looks terri- I remember before knowing anything about what had happened, I remember thinking, why does Blaine look like shit?
SPEAKER_02:Like some serious method. He really wanted to show just how difficult it was.
SPEAKER_01:And um, you know, Hughes he I I did read that he like regretted the fact that they reshot this ending. He had to rewrite it. I guess they did what the best they could, but to me the dialogue's terrible.
SPEAKER_02:The 2025-2026 ending is a thousand percent Andy just like leaving them both.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, yeah, yeah. So not my favorite ending, especially Ducky. I mean, like, look, Ducky was never a bad guy. I guess it kind of makes sense that he's like, you know, look, I want you to be happy, go to him. But yeah, it all just like doesn't totally work for me, bumps me at this ending that they threw together just to appease the audience.
SPEAKER_02:But I yeah, anyway, and that's there are probably other ways they could have tried to let us all know that Ducky was gonna be okay.
SPEAKER_01:But I guess if they had not reshot the ending, it would not have prompted Hughes to do some kind of wonderful, and I love that movie. So there you go. But as far as McCarthy's career goes, I mean, also very much working to this day. He was very much in the film world for the for the first part of his career, more so has gravitated towards television later on, but some of his other credits he'll come up again for sure. He did class, St. Emma's Fire, Mannequin, Less than Zero. As mentioned, he reteams for with Rewild for Fresh Horses. He does Weekend at Bernie's.
SPEAKER_02:Ah, that's what I most remember him from.
SPEAKER_01:As well as Weekend at Bernie's part two, The Joy Luck Club, Maholland Falls, so some TV work, Kingdom Hospital. He does he's done a lot of um well, a couple like hospital setting type shows. Kingdom Hospital, Lipstick Jungle, The Family, Good Girls. I must have dropped off that show by the time he came on. I don't remember him on that show, and I think I watched maybe the first couple seasons of that. The Resident. And then this is kind of fun. So he's uncredited, but he did one episode of the blacklist, so he reteams with Spade.
SPEAKER_02:That's amazing.
SPEAKER_01:So and then another film kind of sandwiched in between those different shows, the film snatched. So okay, speaking of James Spader. So he plays, I don't know, I guess you would call Blaine's BFF Frenemies.
SPEAKER_02:They're closer to one than the other.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, Steph knows him well enough that he knows that Blaine gets braided by his own parents.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He's like, I've seen your parents go to work on you. So they know each other well enough. I kind of got the sense that they might have a similar dynamic to Andy and Ducky, only in that they've known each other for a very long time. They run in the same circles. They've probably been in each other's lives since childhood. Yeah. Younger childhood. So Spader.
SPEAKER_02:We just talked about him.
SPEAKER_01:We just talked about him too. Uh two episodes ago, because he is a little snake in Baby Boom. Wow, is he? Fun little snake. He's way more fun in this film, though. I mean, he has arguably some of I mean this film does have some good one-liners.
SPEAKER_02:I don't think he buttons up a shirt in the entire movie.
SPEAKER_01:It's funny because the his little fight scene with Ducky, I do remember, you know, they're kind of eyeing each other. He says you got a problem friend or something, and Steph walks away, and I was I was eyeing both of their wardrobes. Ducky would be able to walk down the street today. Nobody would bat an eye.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But it's actually Steph that people be like, is he looking to be cast in a new Miami Vice movie? Like it would his exactly his attire would definitely stand out. Yeah. But Ducky would fit right in, especially in like Las Velas. Oh. So Silver Lake. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:So um, so I'll quickly run through.
SPEAKER_02:You'd see Ducky and you'd be like, Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Especially the shoes. So Mannequin, as mentioned Baby Boom, uh, he, I mean, he has has acted with McCarthy in a number of films because I just mentioned Mannequin. Um Less than Zero. I think, yeah, they're both in that. Wall Street, Sex Lies and Videotape. We talk about this in the Baby Boom episode about how he's actually been, I think, a very I don't want to use this word too hyperbolic, but like a kind of a courageous actor in terms of taking on roles that I think a lot of actors would be too timid to take on.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Starting with Sex Lies and Videotape, he does White Palace, Bob Roberts, Wolf, Stargate, Crash is another one of those films, Two Days in the Valley, Secretary is another one of those films. He too, later on in his career, has turned heavily to television. He was on The Practice, It's Spinoff, Boston Legal. He has his fun stint on the office as uh what's his first name?
SPEAKER_02:Robert California.
SPEAKER_01:That's right, Robert California. The blacklist was his show that he was on for you. Surprised me by saying a whole decade. I didn't realize it was like 10 seasons.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And then he does have an amazing voice. I think it was great casting that he is Ultron in Avengers Age of Ultron. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So definitely.
SPEAKER_01:Uh and yeah, he has some of my favorite lines in this film where he just like especially the way he treats his girlfriend.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my god, when they're at prom and I don't even know what she did, but he just looks at her and he's like, You're trash. You're such trash. You're such trash.
SPEAKER_01:It's just the like the disdain like for everyone. Yeah, it's it's so good.
SPEAKER_02:Um I would say his character was like pretty indifferent to Andy being brought to the party until his girlfriend made a whole thing out of it.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I I do think they make it really clear that he is blamed before Blaine is Blaine in terms of like being attracted to Andy and having an interest in her. Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But I think even more so than Blaine, maybe the one thing that Blaine does that's somewhat brave is that he actually acts upon that instinct. Whereas uh Steph is too too aware of the way that he's perceived and he never would actually go after Andy.
SPEAKER_02:Well he he not like serious like he's just an asshole. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like I think somewhere deep, deep, deep, deep down, he, you know, likes her, but he would never really pursue it in a you know, in a I don't know, wholesome way.
SPEAKER_02:I don't think Andy would respond well to the you're trash.
SPEAKER_01:No, but I don't think he would say that to her. I don't think like he knows he can with Benny because Benny kind of is trash, but um anyway I don't I mean I feel like that's just stuff.
SPEAKER_02:I don't even think he could help himself. Like that's that's interesting, you know, that's just who stuff is.
SPEAKER_01:I think if he felt okay, I'm getting way too much in the psyche of this imaginary character. I think if he felt safe with Andy, he probably hasn't felt safe with anybody. Yeah. I think if he felt if if they were to actually pursue a relationship and she let him know that he could be safe with her, he wouldn't act that way.
SPEAKER_02:That would have been a wild reshoot.
SPEAKER_01:Man, that'd be an amazing sequel. I love that. Somebody please do that short. Um, 40 years later. Okay. So I'm gonna move on next to Annie Potts, who plays Iona.
SPEAKER_02:Ghostbusters, what do you want? That's the first thing I think of when I see her anywhere.
SPEAKER_01:I this is one of those films where it's almost like the side characters that I enjoy watching more so than the main storyline. I love this character. I always have she's so fun. You could tell she's having so much fun in this movie, and she just is electric every time she my eyes immediately go to her anytime. She steals the screen. No offense, Molly Ringwald. Um she did, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Her saying, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So she's great in this, and she too, like a lot of these actors have had really similar trajectories in terms of like maybe starting out in film and then eventually being not that they weren't successful, but being highly, highly successful in the TV world. So you said it out the gate. So preceding this film, she is in Ghostbusters, and honestly, she they the Ghostbusters franchise has been very loving towards her. She's been part of every single film.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So she plays the same character in almost all of them. So in Ghostbusters, Ghostbusters 2, Ghostbusters Afterlife, and Ghostbusters Frozen Empire, she is Janine in each of those, and then she has a nice little cameo in the 2016 Ghostbusters as a different character. So different character, but uh a couple other films, jump in Jack Flash, who's Harry Crumb. Her first huge TV series was design designing women.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So she's in that. Um, and then I'm I'm going a little out of order, but real quick, just to name off some of her other TV shows Love and War, she's in the TV version of Dangerous Minds, Joan of Arcadia, The Fosters. I didn't realize that Young Sheldon has already clocked in like what 159 episodes or something like that?
SPEAKER_02:What the fuck? Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Am I right?
SPEAKER_02:I had no, yeah, no, it's it's I see 139 right now, but darn.
SPEAKER_01:I was off by 20.
SPEAKER_02:But it's still a lot more than I think.
SPEAKER_01:Isn't that crazy? I was like, wow, so she's been on that show for its entirety. And then if people didn't know, I mean, even if she didn't have any of these TV shows, she'd probably be doing just fine because she's raking in that toy story money.
SPEAKER_04:Oh.
SPEAKER_01:So she is the voice of Bo Peep. Okay. So she wasn't credited for Toy Story 3 outside of a video game, but she is in Toy Story like the original two and four. So okay, now we are getting to Harry Dean Stanton, who plays Andy's dad, Jack. He's great in this. I do feel he's a little wasted, but you made a really good point about I did. Yeah. What was he? You don't remember what it was. When I said that to you off mic, you were like, Yeah, he is, but he probably did more with that role than anybody else could have done.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. No, that's a good point.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I'm glad I made that.
SPEAKER_01:He has passed as well. He passed in 2017. He had an amazing career in He's also somebody where I'm like, how come this guy never got nominated for an Oscar? Um, because there are a couple roles where I think he definitely could have, but he he did a lot of early TV work. So he had a little bit of an opposite trajectory where early TV work and then very solidly was in film for most of his career. So he starts off early with Cool Han Luke. Um one notable TV show he was on, Gunsmoke. He has a bid part in The Godfather Part 2. He's one of the what would it be CIA or FBI?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't remember which.
SPEAKER_02:One of those guys.
SPEAKER_01:He's playing what poker with uh Michael's cousin who ends his life.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. He was just they're just like guarding him, I guess. Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. The Missouri Breaks. Uh he's Brett, an alien. He's amazing in that. He and then he lend lends his voice to other alien properties that bring that character in.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, his voice was in that uh alien isolation game, even.
SPEAKER_01:You're absolutely right.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He was in The Rose, Private Benjamin, Escape from New York.
SPEAKER_02:That's right.
SPEAKER_01:Which we covered, I think earlier this year. Go check that out. Young Doctors in Love. Uh also, this was a couple seasons ago, but he was in Christine.
SPEAKER_02:Yep. He played another cop, right? Yeah, he did. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. He's actually a little bit more fun to watch when he's a little bit more of a uh eccentric character rather than the straight man. That's just me, but because he's really good at that. Repo Man, probably if he was ever going to be nominated for anything, it would have been Paris, Texas. He is in Red Dawn, uh, The Last Temptation of Christ, Wild at Heart, Twin Peaks, Fire Walk With Me. So he definitely had a relationship with David Lynch, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, The Straight Story, The Green Mile. Uh, as you mentioned, he lends his voice for Alien Isolation. And then he did do, he did do some TV work towards the end of his career. He was on Big Love. He also was on the reboot of the TV series uh Twin Peaks. And then one of his last films was Frank and Ava.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, we got a couple more people to get through. So one, and I I apologize because I I mistakenly was like, oh, I never saw it or anything else. She probably didn't have much of a career. The actress who plays Benny.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:No, she looked like she is very much working to this day, and she also has done a ton of TV work with a couple films um sprinkled in there.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I remember from Bath Star Galactica.
SPEAKER_01:There you go. That's one of the one of the credits I have. So preceding even her time on this film, she was on Falcon Crest for a stint. That that TV show, um, what called Pri like a Primetime Soap Opera, I think.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I know what Falconcrest is, I've just never watched it.
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, me neither. So um she had a little bit of a stint on who's the boss. She was in the film Malcolm X.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, a couple other TV credits, Nash Bridges. You mentioned Battlestar Galactica. She also was in the film Snatched. She now more TV work more recently. Condor, Sullivan's Crossing, and right now it's on the air. The morning show. Nice. So yeah. Okay, uh the two last people won, unfortunately. So Andy's friend Jenna, the one that you're like, she's just smoking in high school.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Her? They were like in the gym smoking before um playing volleyball.
SPEAKER_01:Andy wasn't. She was. Yeah, yeah. Jenna was.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And she's very much, I mean, she doesn't have a lot to do in this movie, but her type of character is very clear. She's very much the like, don't give a fuck. I mean, she has some, she she's a very ballsy high schooler. You know, she tells Benny, I hope they shrivel up and fall off. And when the teacher's like, what do you hope uh shrivel up and fall off? And she's like, her breasts. Like she's she's very baller, and she's a very fun character. You know, at one point Andy is trying to like say, Do you think it's really a big deal to go out with somebody with money? And, you know, like she just she's she's definitely not Ducky, but that's because Andy can't talk to Dockie about this. So she's like trying to talk to Jenna a little bit.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, Iona is probably the closest confidant she has, but she tries. The actress who plays her, Alexa Kennan, unfortunately, she passed away before this film was even released. Wow. She was only 23. She passed in 1985. Um, but she passed from complications of asthma. So and at the time of her passing, though, I mean, she definitely was a child actor. She already had 20 credits, um, even though she was only 23 years old when she passed away. And some of her credits included she had a stint on the TV series Co-Ed Fever. She will almost certainly come up again because she's in the film Little Darlings. We're gonna cover that one. And then her final credit was a film called Animal Behavior.
SPEAKER_04:Hmm.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. I probably wouldn't have included this person, but you did mention him.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Andrew Dice Clay.
SPEAKER_02:He's the bouncer.
SPEAKER_01:He's the bouncer. And yeah, it's a it's almost like a takes me out of the film to see him because I know him in an entirely different way as just the person persona uh Andrew Dice Clay. And he's not playing I mean, he does have a shirt that says Dice on it, but I don't think he's like playing Andrew Dice Clay in this film.
SPEAKER_02:No, I mean the mannerisms, the like the way the way that you get to see like a three-minute shot of him whipping out a lighter and lighting a cigarette and just like all the wild gestures, that is very much like that character. Yes. I think. But I don't know if he was the dice man.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they it's weird because like they call him that, but I don't think He look, he simply was not offensive enough in this movie to be the Dice Man. Yeah, it's like either this was so early in him evolving that persona, or they were just like, Yeah, we'll just call you Dice Man, like you can just be who you are, just don't be too over the top. I don't know. But um, but he has a fun little back and forth with Ducky. Um, you know, the joke is that Ducky never gets into this club that Andy gets into, but Ducky will stay out there for three, four hours just waiting for her, which is insane.
SPEAKER_02:It's it's yeah, he's literally just like sitting out there. Yes. Getting yeah, yeah getting berated by by Andrew Dice Clay.
SPEAKER_01:And the thing is, is like I don't think uh Dice Clay is stupid enough to really think that Andy and Ducky are together, but he does say to her, yeah, he plays along and he's like, if you if you're so in love with him, why do you go places he can't get into? So it's kind of funny. So as far as his acting career, I mean it's really interesting because I was like, how much of an acting career has this guy had? But he actually kind of has, even up to present day. So I have a mixture of film and television for him. He was in the film Night Patrol, uh, casual sex question mark with Deutsch's wife, Leah Thompson. Wow. He was on the TV series Crime Story, of course, the film that's like it's not him, but it is him, the adventures of Ford Fairlane. Yeah. He was on the TV show Blessed House, Hits with a Z. He was also in One Night Emma Cools. Uh there was a TV series called Dice. I don't remember him, but he was in the Lady Gaga A Star is born. I don't know how big of a role he had.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I don't I don't remember that either.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, but he's in that. And then more recently, the TV miniseries Pam and Tommy. Okay. So that was a lot. Not as much as uh Christmas Vacation. I don't know. That was more. I don't think we'll top that one, but we got close. Film synopsis. Such an offensive synopsis. A poor girl.
SPEAKER_02:Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_01:Between the affections. I love how it's must choose. She got me. She must choose.
SPEAKER_02:You have to.
SPEAKER_01:Between the affections of dating her childhood sweetheart, which I don't think he ever was. Nope. Or a rich but sensitive playboy, which I don't think sensitive. Yeah. Rich buts on because you can't be both. Playboy, which I don't think Blaine was.
SPEAKER_02:This might be the worst synopsis that I've seen. So bad. Maybe ever for this for this podcast. I mean, certainly in recent memory, but maybe like, yeah, that's like, okay, sure. She That's not the movie I watched.
SPEAKER_01:She is on the lower scale of the socioeconomic, like, whatever, but to just call her a poor girl is so offensive. And just to just wrap up her character in those two words. I mean, they had a house. Yeah, it just oh, I hate that. And then the fact that she must choose, which is just so I I hate that they they position it that way. I guess for 1986, that was a way like we talked about it kind of at the top of the episode. Um, that they were never gonna let her just walk out of there alone. But and then I don't think for a second that Ducky was her childhood sweetheart. I don't think they ever had a romantic relationship.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01:Which also would have been kind of gross for them to, you know.
SPEAKER_02:They definitely did not. Um, I don't know what the synopsis would be for this movie, but it's not this.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, look, this movie has like class division written all over it. That was a thing that Hughes had for a a lot of his films, but like it it it's just all synopsized in a like misconstrued, misleading way. Um but that's it.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, so just to to contrast this, when Keith goes out with Amanda, the girl of his dreams, Amanda's ex-boyfriend plans to get back at Keith. Meanwhile, Keith's best friend and tomboy Watts realizes she has feelings for Keith. So there's the there's your synopsis for it's a better one.
SPEAKER_01:It's not my favorite yet, but still not. But because I think Watts always was in love with Keith. I don't think she just discovered. I think she always I think well before that movie began, she was in love with Keith.
SPEAKER_02:She knew as long as Ducky knew that he was in love with Andy.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, exactly. So there you have it. I mean, I'm really curious. I I think I've probably at this point have overstated the fact that like as much as I love this film, you know, I see it in kind of a different way than I did as a kid. But I'm just really curious, you know, what you have come away with after seeing this film in its entirety.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, after seeing this and having already seen some kind of wonderful, like the the similarities are like are clear, but it's because it's like this is a story that you could probably tell a billion different times, a billion different ways. Just it's like a high school kind of romance story.
SPEAKER_01:Wrong side of the tracks.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Literally.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, they show the tracks uh numerous times. I think I would I I'd watch it again. Like I really enjoyed I think my favorite scene with Ducky is him talking with Frank.
SPEAKER_04:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02:That I thought that was because Frank has some wisdom.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:You know, he still hasn't gotten over, you know, his wife leaving them, but he he certainly has the wisdom of someone who's had some life experience that Ducky lacks.
SPEAKER_01:I do think that's actually one of the more interesting parts of the film is the fact that it's like the mom that stepped out on the family.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um they don't really allude to why. Like, I mean, Andy does say, like, I felt it when I was a little kid, so I don't know if the mom just like wasn't sounds like it was just the mom.
SPEAKER_02:Like the mom was this person that just left.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. That just abandoned them. For I mean, it doesn't sound like she had any kind of like addictions per se that made her leave the family. She just pieced out on being a wife and mother.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So This was not Michelle Pfeiffer from the most recent Amazon holiday movie, Mom.
unknown:Correct.
SPEAKER_01:Correct. Oh, what fun.
SPEAKER_02:But I will say this that was if that was my favorite part, seeing Ducky talking to Frank outside the house. If I was watching the movie and that musical number came on in the record store, I would get up and just physically leave the room and come back and wait like five minutes and come back in.
SPEAKER_01:In its own way, it's a little bit of a tour de force. Like that was a very over-the-top fun thing. Like a lot of people call out that scene as like being a memorable scene.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, and it is, and he does a great job with it, but it is it is a lot. Um, I mean, I the again, that's why I love uh Annie Potts in this movie because her reactions are just so fun to watch. Like Andy, it's like, I don't know, for Andy, it's like, have you seen him do this 15 times already? Because she seems just like almost kind of pissy about it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um so it's an interesting response from her. But yeah, I mean, like, look, Cryer, you know, this, this uh it they all come in c such close succession, but like, you know, Ferris was, I believe, already released. I'm sure a lot of comparisons were made to the Ferris character as far as Ducky is concerned.
SPEAKER_02:I could yeah, it's like a bizarro world version of Ferris where he's just not nearly as cool.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, or rich. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So, um, but I think Cryer, he does a great job. He just he took in some ways a very thankless role because he is kind of a little pest.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And to try to make anybody even somewhat likable when they are acting in such an inappropriate way with Andy's character, just in terms of just relentless harassment. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um that would have been better to put that in the synopsis.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Andy must deal with the relentless harassment of a childhood friend while also trying to of a friendly childhood pest.
SPEAKER_01:Um, yeah. So but it it's hard to though, because like I look, I don't want to knock McCarthy. It's interesting. Uh side note, I think I did I watch that documentary he did with you, or did I watch that on my own?
SPEAKER_02:I didn't watch that, so you can watch that on your own.
SPEAKER_01:It it's an interesting enough documentary.
SPEAKER_02:The brat pack yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I'm pretty sure he talks to Cryer Ringwald, I don't think was part of it, if I'm remembering correctly. A lot of people were like, no, I'm not, I don't want to be a part of it. Uh actually his conversation with Emilio Ast was one of the more interesting parts of it. Cause like kind of the case McCarthy is making is that the fact that they were part of this like brat pack, um, as coined by the media negatively affected their careers. Maybe his career, maybe, but although he's been working to this day. So, you know, and I think that you get a range of reactions from the people he does interview. Probably the one that's most staunchly opposed to the way he thinks about it is uh Estebez. And but also Esteves comes from an entirely different background. He, you know, his father, Martin Sheen, you know, like he that probably opens up some other opportunities beyond. Yeah, and like look, I'm not trying, I think Estevez is a great actor, he's a great director. Yeah. Um, but he already had was, you know, he he was working off third base instead of hidden triple there. So like he and McCarthy, I don't know much about McCarthy's background. Um both can have equally valid views in terms of how that affected their careers, but it's it's an interesting and sometimes uncomfortable documentary.
SPEAKER_02:What an what an awful thing to have happened.
SPEAKER_01:It is interesting though when you look at like the these filmographies and you see how often these same actors were in rotation on different films. That is very interesting to me. I don't I don't know if we've replicated that in any way.
SPEAKER_02:Uh without it being a Marvel franchise, probably not.
SPEAKER_01:You can maybe make an argument for like the very late like 99 to the early 2000s when we had kind of a second wave of teen films, but I don't think there were like a lot of crossover. Um I mean you you have like you know, like Freddie Prince Jr.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, like the she's all that American Pie like Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:There's like some sometimes you're seeing crossover, but I don't think nearly to this degree. Yeah um anyway, would you watch this film again?
SPEAKER_02:I would. Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad I there was no reason I wasn't like actively avoiding it. I just never sat down and I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna watch Pretty in Pink. Because I I had never seen it when I was when I was younger, the way that I had seen a lot of the others. So I just, you know, I'd already seen some kind of wonderful, so no need.
SPEAKER_01:It has been a minute since like this is a film that like I've seen it so many times. In fact, I got so sick of watching these films when I was doing my thesis that uh it has been a very long time since I've sat down to give it my entire attention.
SPEAKER_02:But I I'm not saying this in a I don't mean this to sound negative, but I thought there was gonna be more going on. Like they kind of speed ran through like certain parts of a romance, I guess.
SPEAKER_01:And that's a valid point you make.
SPEAKER_02:That's like a high school thing, though.
SPEAKER_01:It it's like on the one hand, you know, look, we're s we're talking 40 years ago. Yeah. So anything that wasn't going to be like an epic, uh, they're like this movie's gonna be under two hours. Yeah. Yeah. So so I'm not surprised, and I don't know if I would coin this a comedy in any regard, but it it's it's it's more a drama than anything else. But I guarantee you they still were telling Hughes and Deutsch, like, you're not you're not making a two-hour teen film. So I do think that you're right that some plot points could have been fleshed out a little bit, which would have almost certainly lengthened the film.
SPEAKER_02:But um I think you could still keep it 90 without it and still like scoop over some things and emphasize a few like I I don't know, like the only reason I know that the rich people hate the poor people is because they're kind of shitty to each other in class.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. That's like the main the main way that I get to like I did feel for Andy, like that one scene in the class where they are just like ripping on her attire. Yeah. And and then the teacher, like, look, the teacher thinks that she's doing the right thing by punishing them, but she just made it way worse for Andy.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And then when Andy's like, hey, you don't need to do anything about this, and then just to like pour that salt in the wounds, those two bitches are like, no, we'll take the we'll take the chapter. So she just like can't fucking win. Like it's yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:That felt very real.
SPEAKER_01:That was maybe one of the stronger scenes.
SPEAKER_02:They wouldn't allow her to let them like to to do them a solid. Yes. Like we're you don't yeah, no, you don't help us.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So call to action. I mean, it has been a minute since we've done a Hughes teen film. Yeah. So I I'm always just super curious, like what people gravitate towards. Like if you know, it might be one of the heavy hitters like Ferris or Breakfast Club, but I would just love to hear what people like of that specific subset of Hughes films, like what their go to film is.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, my call to action is a multiple choice th three part, three possible answer question. And of course, it's Ducky Blaine or That's great.
SPEAKER_01:That's a great way. I'm gonna b uh uh piggyback on that one. Yeah. So if you want to get in touch with us, we would love to hear from you. You can reach out through Facebook, Instagram, or Blue Sky. It's the same handle at all three. It is at 80smontagepod and 80s is 80S. All right, sneak peek.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I don't know. I didn't think so.
SPEAKER_01:Um, okay, so I'm gonna just throw out the two main actors in this film and see what you do with it. All right. Okay, so the first one, I'm gonna give you the harder one first. Perfect. Gene Kelly.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Do you know where I might be going?
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, you're cheating. I can see you are. I'm about to.
SPEAKER_02:With that, as soon as you gave me that, I'm like, oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And second actor, Olivia Newton John.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, Xanadu? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Which I have only ever seen clips of. I have never seen it in its entirety. I don't know if I'm gonna get sad because I think, I think, I think this might be Gene Kelly's final role.
SPEAKER_02:And I wouldn't have got it, I wouldn't have gotten it with Olivia Newton John without Gene Kelly. Gene Kelly. Like the two of the pairing of that. I'm like, well, that's the only thing I could think of.
SPEAKER_01:Because I probably at least like I would think of like Greece or something for now that we are in season seven, it's like all those films were like, oh, I've been wanting to do this one.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And I've been wanting to do Xanadu forever.
SPEAKER_02:No one ever suggested them.
SPEAKER_01:No, they did not. Now we have to suggest them to ourselves. Um, or they could have been on the short list of some other prior guests, and we just picked a different film that they had also brought up.
SPEAKER_02:You could just tell someone, hey, you want to talk about this? This is what we're talking about. But it never worked out like that.
SPEAKER_01:Never worked. No, we we'd like we'd like to give space to our guests at the time.
SPEAKER_02:Which of these movies do you hate the most? Okay, join us on our podcast.
SPEAKER_01:Join us. Zanadu, I'm so excited to cover this one. I'm really curious to see like literally what Gene Kelly does because all I've seen is a poster. Yeah, he's at the tail end of his career. He's an older man. I know him lovingly from like his heyday, like singing in the rain, and just like what a powerhouse he was. And so I'm I'm really curious to see this film.
SPEAKER_02:I only know of this because I would walk down the hall and see a poster for this at work. Yeah. List of all the old movies. So that's the only way that I know it is a thing.
SPEAKER_01:It is a thing, and we'll cover it next. In the meantime, thank you to everyone for kicking off season seven with us. We are so stoked to have you. And just hang on tight. And then we'll talk to you again in two weeks' time.