{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":0.095,"endTime":2.215,"body":"Today"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":0.095,"endTime":2.215,"body":"I'm speaking with Jason Winter,"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":2.225,"endTime":7.855,"body":"the head of business development"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":2.225,"endTime":7.855,"body":"for Castellan Information Security."},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":7.875,"endTime":14.885,"body":"We are diving deep into the issue of cyber"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":7.875,"endTime":14.885,"body":"security in transportation and logistics."},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":15.555,"endTime":21.035,"body":"Have you watched the Netflix"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":15.555,"endTime":21.035,"body":"series called Zero Day?"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 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1","startTime":42.36,"endTime":43.11,"body":"Jason!"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":44.35,"endTime":46.75,"body":"Welcome to the Trucking"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":44.35,"endTime":46.75,"body":"Risk and Insurance Podcast."},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":47.953,"endTime":49.603,"body":"Hey Jason, welcome to the show."},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":49.603,"endTime":52.393,"body":"Can you just take a minute"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":49.603,"endTime":52.393,"body":"and introduce yourself"},{"speaker":"Jason Winter","startTime":52.493,"endTime":53.213,"body":"absolutely."},{"speaker":"Jason Winter","startTime":53.253,"endTime":54.533,"body":"It's a pleasure being here today."},{"speaker":"Jason Winter","startTime":54.803,"endTime":56.233,"body":"So my name is Jason Winter."},{"speaker":"Jason Winter","startTime":56.253,"endTime":60.603,"body":"I'm the head of 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for coming on the show."},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":1611.553,"endTime":1614.423,"body":"That was spectacular."},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":1614.683,"endTime":1619.173,"body":"I really believe I got a lot out"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":1614.683,"endTime":1619.173,"body":"of it, and I've got to take steps"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":1619.173,"endTime":1620.723,"body":"to protect my little company."},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":1621.253,"endTime":1624.983,"body":"What are you going to do out there,"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":1621.253,"endTime":1624.983,"body":"our viewers and our listeners?"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":1625.373,"endTime":1627.163,"body":"Um, did you get value from this?"},{"speaker":"Chris Harris, Safety Dawg 1","startTime":1627.413,"endTime":1631.363,"body":"Please, if you did, click 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