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Well, Thio family podcast where we believe you all fallible and what you do matters. Thing is episode

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Never say it. That's what I supposed to do.

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I am Shauna would.

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Well, Shauna would I am. Justin, How are you

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got that in there? I'm good. Are you

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think we've been the house for To

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think we have a little bit delirious?

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Maybe the oxygen is leaving. Thank you to everyone listening across America and different places in the world. Who? Yeah, we hope you all are surviving the cove ID shutdowns and hang in there. This is ah, season hard season, but

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But there's light at the end of the tunnel. We will not be in this season forever.

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Yeah, to light. Or it means the train or the son.

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We don't know

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terrible guys. What we talked about today

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today we're talking about e m d r. Therapy.

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It's taken me forever to learn that e m d Are those that order e m doctor. So what is the

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man's for eye movement? Desensitization and re processing.

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Very good. And this is the story that goes with that. I sent you a podcast, if you remember right and You're as you're driving back and forth. I said, hey, you need to listen to these podcasts.

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Pre Corona.

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Yeah, Yeah, this was like Yeah, yeah. This is, like, six months ago. Probably or so more. I don't know. I sent you a hot gas link, and you're like, I was like,

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Hey, did you listen,

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that podcast, it was really good. And you're like, Yeah, are you going to do it? And I'm like, What

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do you mean,

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Am I going to do it? What

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do you

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talking about? And there's all this argument like,

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What are you talking about?

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Anybody? I sent you the wrong pot, guessed right. You

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know, I had listened to a podcast and you had no idea what it was about. But it was actually about this e EMDR therapy,

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and I don't even know how. Yeah,

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neither of us had ever heard of it.

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Right? Right, right. And so I don't I don't even know how it I can't figure out how I got.

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It was

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wrong. I was divine. It was It was so cmdr because you thought I needed lots of so this lady Frances, it Francine

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Francine Shapiro

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Shapiro. Yes, she basically long story. Here's the history she found out as she was walking shoes, therapist, psychologist, or something like that. Walking through the woods as she looked from left to right, she realized her painful thoughts were less and less. And so she started doing that apartment practice and course people were like that stupid. That makes no sense of your eyes go left to right or whatever. So then she had People follow light, I think, and you could go left to right. Neuroscience lab

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back and forth,

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back and forth, back and forth. As you think through a memory. Right. That's trauma, usually PTSD stuff, right? Something like that. What they found out. Neuroscience. Pretty crazy that basically trauma is trapped in my terms This. Now I understand that trauma of any kind gets trapped in one side of one little part of your brain. And so basically, you build walls like emotionally or chemically, how you don't think about all the different levels of yourself to try to protect that trauma because it's trauma and it's bad. And so your body is like, Hey, we need to protect it so it keeps it trapped, basically. But when you look literally with your eyes left to right or there's lights to do. Or there's like these different little kind of vibration paddles kind of thing. Um, that I use when I go to do it and it's crazy. It releases the trauma from one part of your brain so that the rest of your brain can absorb it. Which sounds again. Look, can we explain that to people about the therapists world? They're all like that stupid, you know, But neuroscience is now showing. Oh, wait, This really does work. So they use it for, like, PTSD with soldiers, PTSD with all kinds of stuff.

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And there've been a lot of studies now showing that major trauma that previously it was believed that it would take like, decades Thio. That kind of trauma is being healed incredibly quickly.

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Yeah, like one session. Yeah, we'll take you through. Ridiculous.

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I know would have otherwise taken years.

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Yeah, well, years of talk that's frustrating and everything else

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right, Which is amazing to me. I mean, our bodies were so complex. Our mind is so complex, but to think about, you know, we talk about emotional walls, but there's actually organic material in your brain that's creating these boundaries. And so, by doing this going back and forth, back and forth, you really like integrating your brain back together with itself?

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Yeah, it's crazy. It's really crazy. So everyone has drama and the people who mostly what people group. I have PTSD the most, you know?

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I don't know.

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Car accident. You have car accidents, That whole group of people. If you've been in a car accident, you can have trauma like PTSD the most. Or you know, the most number of people. Yeah, not that is not the

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intensities. The greatest number.

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Frequency. Yes. Yeah, the numbers of people. Right. So I had leukemia when I was a little. Yes. So when I was 3.5, basically, when I started memories and being formed and shaped as far as a person, I was dealing with leukemia. So it's crazy because this isolation there once experienced That's what I went through. Because when you have a key, me let you cancel your white blood cells. Cancer of your white blood cells. So I lived in isolation. I couldn't go. I couldn't do. I couldn't. Do you know what I mean, like I had to like, and I was told by everyone. Hey, you can't do this. X y z whatever. So there was a lot of things of trauma and different things that happened in that cancer journey that had definitely shaped my personality,

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right? Yeah. And because, you know, I mean, like, back then, like they do, they were doing experimental treatments on you. They don't do any more.

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Yeah, like stuff without anesthesia and stuff you get, you get, you get imprisoned for stuff. But they didn't have the technology.

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They were doing the best they could, but it was major drama.

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So fighter flight, if you have fighter flight, which everyone does to some degree, but depending on your childhood, depending what happened, you might have a lot more fight or flight than other people.

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Right? Likelihood of that tendency.

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So my experience with the MD are you don't have to talk your way through it. That's what's amazing when you say, because I was like, I'm not going

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to sit there and talks for years. I would say this is a very valid thing that you need to dress like

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a therapist, remember?

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And you would say I'm not going and talking to somebody about it, right?

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Because when I was three years old, what's their talk? You know, I don't have a vocabulary, you know? I mean, like, when things happen when your child it's hard to talk, you have to use pictures and other things that don't necessarily. You can't articulate when you're that age, right? So Well, I'm obviously not a psychologist or not therapist. So pursue this on your own. I'm sharing something. Money. Yeah. So basically, kids in general before puberty, they don't have the chemicals in their body. So that really to the degree that they need to cope with lost trauma stress situations, right? So it's fight or flight. It's adrenaline. And so most people, if you live fighter flight you don't have, you don't have anything else that's your go to chemical, that your go to drug is still in your brain. So it's possible to see those chemicals shift and change. So do you wanna talk of it? Have you seen a change in me?

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Oh, my goodness.

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Well, that way didn't really talk about the note. I mean, like I scribbled down. I have solution e MDR that judge you crazy, doesn't it? Because you keep looking at me like, What do we do now? What we don't

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know. So it has been huge because and even dealing with all of this realizing like there is just there is a fun nature that goes with being a child, like Children were created to have this stage of playfulness and just joy, and it doesn't have to make sense, and it doesn't have to be. You know, it's very imaginative and that kind of thing, But you didn't get a chance to experience a lot of that.

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Yeah. No, my pants were awesome. Grandparent's my family. Everything was awesome. So is, like they did everything they could. But those years I was in quarantine. Like what? Everybody's experience. I'm like, Oh, this is the way I wish life was not all the people dying. But I wish everything was in quarantine all the time. Because that's what, like

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feels normal. Yeah,

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that's what feels normal to me. Yeah, And so when you ask me to like Thio, go not be normal. Yeah, that's right. Dress

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when I want to fill up all these baking dishes with dry beans and rice and then hide little treasures and let our younger Children dig through there and find the treasures. And there's beans and there's rice everywhere. And there's Plato on the chairs and there's paint and that, like, used to really take you over the edge.

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Yeah, like I just haven't don't have a grid for that Like

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it's so we're normal. This is what kids do,

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right? Right? Right. So in, like again, it's like my parents. They did like we did all the normal stuff. They try to make life normal. But I realize now that through all the stuff that I was going through, I had shut down part of my self. You know what I mean? Like, it was survival fighter flight. I couldn't fly away and I couldn't really fight. Well, I guess I did. I flew away in my mind. That's what

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came to

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your grandpa. Flew away in a gram. Five nous, right? Yeah,

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but so be so. It was like, even though your parents were trying to provide some some of those opportunities, you didn't feel good. I mean, there was a lot of the medications and that kind of thing. So you just were not in the place that you could engage in that place stuff,

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right? And And when you're a little like that, you don't have a vocabulary to articulate what's going on. You know what you're feeling? All those kind of things, right? So it's like, that's when you take all your motions emotion than you shove them deep, dark like you. Just like I don't have emotions like And I don't sometimes, right? Like, I'm just like a robot. I mean, I do feel deeply, but only like when I feel totally safe, right? You know what I mean? Yeah, it was, like one on one. Or like, just in a quiet place,

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right? Yeah, right. Right. And I have another friend who, um shared about Cem PTSD that they have, and he explained it like, um, most people are walking around with a veil that we believe that humanity is good and that people are good and all of this kind of thing. But people who have experienced a lot of trauma have experienced the dark side of life more and so that veil in some ways, depending upon what the trauma was it was military of his first responder. No illness, but has been stripped away, right? And so, you know, there's just a

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some layer of Yeah, you haven't deal with stuff, right? So yeah, and also, you know, going all the way back to beginning. So I sent you the wrong podcast and another conversation I had with John, the drummer who saw heavy military combat. He was like, I was telling him, like, just crowds, all that stuff, like, not only do like, I don't like it Like I just shut down like it's just like it's a weird thing, just like I just shut down. And so John was like, Hey,

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that sounds, I think

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you've got some PTSD. There was

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like, I don't think so, John. I don't

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know exactly what I said, but it was kind of like that. So

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But then we kind of looked a conversation with

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them. Yeah, conversation with cancer companions. They had a really good seminar webinar about PTSD with cancer, because basically PTSD, like you say that veil. But basically, you just face life for death or you perceive that you face life or death, right? Somehow that's PTSD. So most people who've had cancer usually have some kind of PTSD. TBI. It's a scale,

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right? Their family members, too, because it's also, you know, if you're in the military and you see death whole lot, even if it wasn't your own, you still have that trauma right in, like your parents who were fighting for your life, right? Little have that trauma, right?

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Right. And so so, yeah, What I'm saying is, because you can talk about my family, how great they are,

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they are amazing. So, like if you created the ideal family, that's

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pretty young. And so even if you have the ideal family, you still might need some help working through life,

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right? I think you know, that's really the reality is that there's a lot of evil in our world and that affects us, and it plays out in different people's lives in different ways. But you're ignoring a large portion of the truth. If you just act like everything is warm and fuzzy and unicorns all the time,

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right, and it's like, Yeah, it's like our remember Ah kin would always say Ah, mentor would always say it's like you have your car and You have to take it to get maintenance, you know? And you have all these. Everything's that you have toe run maintenance on. And you should probably do that for yourself to write use like you do exercise to maintain your body, right? You need some kind of

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just had a picture Fall down behind us. How

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I'm gonna pay. You gonna bury

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another podcast? Listen, Thio, but absolutely. And so I think. You know, before we got married, I dealt. I'm seeing a counselor for a long time. And you know, I think everybody we all have junk. None of us are. None of us are perfect. We all have a series of Brokenness, right? And the more you can grow as a person as a human being and work through some of your own junk, Yes. The happier you're gonna be, the more you're gonna enjoy your life. Right? But I think what's different and why we wanted to share this therapy. Is that most the time when we say Oh, yeah, You should meet with a counselor. You should talk through that. This is not about talking.

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Yeah, if you if you're an introvert and you don't like talking. You don't even know. Like what you're feeling or whatever at that time. This is why I went to the e r e m d are out. So Christie is awesome. She's Yeah, it's good.

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That is awesome. So, you know, we found somebody local that specialized in it, But all over there, all over the world. And now that you know that it's a thing, you could find somebody in your area. But we didn't even know it was a thing A year,

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right? Right. So check it out. And as you're going through this crisis, you might need to doctor some people. At some point, I think you can still do therapy on line.

spk_0:   15:32
Yeah, I think they're doing a lot of like telemedicine. Yeah, thing right now,

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do maintenance. You should keep doing exercise. You should keep doing all these stuff. But it might be time to do some emotional maintenance,

spk_0:   15:43
right? And I think you know all of us. That's what Even when we were before we got married, you know, we talked about like, you know what we're gonna send It is a gold for ourselves to do couples therapy every so often just because we want to invest in our relationship. And I think you know the same investing in your physical health, investing in your emotional mental health as well,

spk_1:   16:03
right? Right. And so I think some of this stuff for our couples stuff, we probably need to do more. But I feel like you get to a point where you can't do more until you work on your own self.

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Yeah, it's kind of like a dams like you got to do.

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I don't know,

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moves as individuals and you can do a movie is a couple, right? So for sure, thank you guys. So much for taking time to listen and hang out with us. Anything else you want to say on that?

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No, I'm done with my words.

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Okay. Remember, you are valuable. And what you do matters we would love to hear. If you have had an experience with E m v r. You can connect with us,

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but we don't care about your emotional problems. Yeah, I'm just kidding. No, but seriously sick of professional,

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let us know. You know how awesome it was or what your experience was. You communicate that with us on our Facebook page on our website l s podcast dot com or you can connect with us on my instagram account. Since Justin has boycotted Instagram now that Shauna Cherie s h E R E would thank you guys have a blessed day. Thanks.