After a career spanning more than 20 years in education, Tracey finally decided enough was enough and departed from her teaching career nearly three years ago. The decision to take the leap took a very long time though! She remembers her husband asking her to leave about 5 years prior to finally pulling the pin. She believes making the decision is the hardest part, following that, the journey gets exciting.
For the last 3 years, Tracey has worked with her husband in their Electrical and Air Conditioning business based in Sydney. The road was initially a little bumpy because Tracey thought she knew nothing about business and didn’t feel that she had an important role to play. Three years on though, and it turns out that so many of the skills she developed throughout her teaching career have been invaluable in the growth of their business. When it comes to communication and organisation, especially in the area of trades, Tracey is a whizz.
Life is great now! She is so grateful for her teaching career but even more grateful for the simple pleasures and balance that life provides her today.
For more info about what she is doing today, go to www.trackieind.com.au or follow her business on FB or Instagram Trackie Industries.
After a career spanning more than 20 years in education, Tracey finally decided enough was enough and departed from her teaching career nearly three years ago. The decision to take the leap took a very long time though! She remembers her husband asking her to leave about 5 years prior to finally pulling the pin. She believes making the decision is the hardest part, following that, the journey gets exciting.
For the last 3 years, Tracey has worked with her husband in their Electrical and Air Conditioning business based in Sydney. The road was initially a little bumpy because Tracey thought she knew nothing about business and didn’t feel that she had an important role to play. Three years on though, and it turns out that so many of the skills she developed throughout her teaching career have been invaluable in the growth of their business. When it comes to communication and organisation, especially in the area of trades, Tracey is a whizz.
Life is great now! She is so grateful for her teaching career but even more grateful for the simple pleasures and balance that life provides her today.
For more info about what she is doing today, go to www.trackieind.com.au or follow her business on FB or Instagram Trackie Industries.
Elizabeth Diacos: 0:01
Welcome to the get out of teaching podcast presented by Larksong Enterprises. I'm your host, Elizabeth Diacos. On the show, we'll look at the who, what, why, where, when and how of moving out of your Education career and into a life you love. We'll meet ex-teachers, delve into what we love about teaching and how to translate that into something new. We will talk to people who can support and inspire us as we make the transition and work on identifying the legacy we want to leave in the world. So come along for the ride as we Get out of Teaching... Episode 6. Hi, everyone. And welcome to the show On today's show, I'm interviewed viewing Tracey Wyber who hails from Sydney and welcome to the show, Tracey.
Tracey Wyber: 0:52
Thank you. Thanks for having me. Very exciting!
Elizabeth Diacos: 0:55
I see that you're in your car. So you're on the road?
Tracey Wyber: 1:00
Yes, I'm on the road. I had to duck out of the office, and it was unexpected. I also missed my gym class. That's why I'm in my gym clothes, as well, I'm not normally like this, but...yeah, it's my responsibility....
Elizabeth Diacos: 1:17
So, it sounds like you were... you were you needed to be somewhere. And you just jumped and did it. There was no notice. Did you have to sign out of the office?
Tracey Wyber: 1:29
No,.no (laughs)
Elizabeth Diacos: 1:31
Okay. Tracey's is obviously an ex- teacher. Tracey, what got you into teaching in the first place?
Tracey Wyber: 2:30
I got into teaching. ..I came from a family of teachers. Pretty much. Both parents are teachers, grandparents are teachers, Aunties are teachers. And, uh, I was inspired by my own teachers at school. That was, a few that I really remember. So I actually, when I went to uni, I got... I got a lot ...I got a mark it was a lot higher than what I needed to get into teaching. So I actually started in an applied science degree or something. Not teaching. And then I ended up being so unhappy because I was trying not to be a teacher because everyone in my family was a teacher, it was like, they just sort of people would say "Don't do that just because your parents did it!" It was in my heart. I wanted to do it, so. I did it and, yeah, it was good...loved it!London.
Elizabeth Diacos: 2:30
And so you worked in in Sydney?
Tracey Wyber: 2:32
I worked in Sydney. Yes, I went to, Uni ....New South Wales Uni and then Macquarie Uniand straight out of Uni. I didn't get targeted, but I got a contract with a private school, but it was a private Muslim school, actually. And they hired lots of young Australian women because, we were cheap, I s'pose, I dunno. I made wonderful friends there because we were all ...we didn't really know what we were doing, and doing our best. So we became very strong. ..You know, There was a lot good friendships made there, but ...
Elizabeth Diacos: 3:15
Right, Fantastic. I went to New South Wales Uni too, for my first, my undergrad degree.
Tracey Wyber: 3:20
Ah, Very good. Big place. Yeah...
Elizabeth Diacos: 3:22
It is a big place. OK, so how long did you actually stay in Education for?
Tracey Wyber: 3:31
So, I... to be..I think it's about 25 years., that I was...
Elizabeth Diacos: 3:52
that's a good innings
Tracey Wyber: 3:52
...teaching. But I have had four Children, so I was casual on and off throughout having babies and stuff like that. It wasn't the whole time,
Elizabeth Diacos: 3:53
All right... and so...so what was the catalyst then for you getting out of teaching?
Tracey Wyber: 4:00
I ...was just so sad, I was really sad. I would...I found it really hard to shift my energy... I went from a school where I was.. the principal was, um , she was great with professional learning, and she really taught us a lot, but I felt I got burnt out there. But then I moved to my last school, which was lovely. But the boss was completely different and the professional development was really lacking there. So I went from one extreme to the other. But I found when I wasn't developing, I just... I lost my spark, and...it was about five years that I was unhappy before I made the leap. Terrible!
Elizabeth Diacos: 4:53
So, you stuck it out. Even though you weren't happy in the role, you stuck it out for another five years. So when you got to that point after five years what... what was it that finally made you decide to leave?
Tracey Wyber: 5:08
....that tipped me over? I...the first thing was, my last year teaching I asked if I could go on to P.E because I love sport, love PE. And I thought it might just give me a break from the classroom.. Bit of variety, different challenge .So they let me do...so I was the full time P.E teacher for the school and unfortunately I did not enjoy it. I found it really hard. There was no connection with kids and using outdoor voice all the time...It was hard work has really tired, I was feeling really old... because, I was like, why can't I handle this?
Elizabeth Diacos: 5:44
How old were you Tracey, if you don't mind me asking?
Tracey Wyber: 5:47
I was 45
Elizabeth Diacos: 5:50
Ok
Tracey Wyber: 5:50
I was older, but I still, I didn't feel it, and it's something I'm passionate about, but I didn't realise it would knock my body around as much... and and then I just.. that was it. I thought...this is going to be my my Saviour, having a year off class. But it just killed me.
Elizabeth Diacos: 6:09
OK, and so...
Tracey Wyber: 6:21
And then, I had my long service... I had my long service I could take. So I thought, I'll just take my long service and and that felt like a safe option to leave, because I had my long service
Elizabeth Diacos: 6:24
So you just for international listeners, in Australia, we get a a certain sort of payout after so many years of service. And you, can...,it's usually 10 years and so there's there's a a payment where you can take a break in your career and sort of recharge and then come back. And a lot of people use that as an opportunity to get out. So... of whatever career they're in, not just teaching. Okay, so, so when you went to make that transition, there was this buffer of the long service leave money. What was your biggest fear, though, when you were doing that? Leaving after 25 years in the same field...
Tracey Wyber: 7:06
Ah, not having a purpose. I had no purpose. I ...my husband has a business, an air conditioning business, and he kept saying to me for years, like just come and join the business. But I was like, I don't know anything about business, I don't know, what to do, and, and yeah, little did I know it could learn quite easily, so, but that was a fear for me. What am I going to do? And, I actually remember one day and it was quite a sad day. And my son was going for a job interview or something and I thought, I've got in the car and I went through SEEK to look for a job, SEEk's the job- finding thing, and I rang a few places and they were like "You've got no qualifications that match this, blah, blah, blah, and I was so deflated. So I had that experience where I thought I can't do anything else... I only know how to be a teacher.
Elizabeth Diacos: 8:01
Yeah. Yeah, and I think that would really resonate with the teachers who I have, kind of gathered together in the Get out of Teaching Facebook group that many, many of them...That's one of their biggest fears is just feeling like, what else could I possibly do outside of Education...they can't see any other possibilities. So, how did you overcome the fear, Tracey?
Tracey Wyber: 8:26
Well, I did have... I DO have fabulous husband that was willing to let me just follow my own path and and work it out. And I did heaps of soul searching ...I read some great books about personal development, power of the mind, learning about energy and how energy is a really...well to me, now, I think working out how to use energy, to your own benefit is, that helped me a lot. So lots and lots of reading. Lots of podcasts. Lots of walking in he bush ...it was actually an awesome time, But at the time, I was confused at the time, but I felt like I was bludging. I was like "Where am I headed? I'm just reading all this stuff. You need to take action!".
Elizabeth Diacos: 9:13
Yeah, actually, I just got off the phone before we came on to do this recording. I just got off a call with someone who was almost exactly the same. Just feeling like she had no purpose and she was marking time. You know, she was just languishing. And so part of what our conversation centred on was actually, how do you get yourself out of that? So what was the big thing for you? How did you sort of shake that off?
Tracey Wyber: 9:40
Well, initially, I thought I would go into... I wanted to write because we do a lot of work on energy efficiency, so I thought.... and there's products that we sell that we put into schools and I thought, I'm gonna write education programs for schools, based on this product. So I teed up with the uni, and I had some students working with me to make these programs....
Elizabeth Diacos: 10:09
So this is like an Education....?
Tracey Wyber: 10:13
Yeah...That's what I knew. And I thought, Ok, I'll do this and but, you know, my heart was done. I needed...It was just that I didn't know what else to do. And I thought that was my familiar place, to write programmes, but ... so eventually I just got into marketing. I sunk my teeth in. There's so much information out there. You don't need to go to Uni, you don't need to go to TAFE...there's just so much information. There are so many people out there to help you. So I sunk my teeth into marketing and I'm like, RIGHT! Let's grow this business that we've got... And it's been fabulous.
Elizabeth Diacos: 10:48
Wow!
Tracey Wyber: 10:49
...the best thing ever. So..
Elizabeth Diacos: 10:50
So you're a marketing expert now...
Tracey Wyber: 10:54
I do know a lot about marketing. Now. I think I've decided I'm going to outsource it because, I... as a business owner, I don't want to get stuck doing the marketing. I want to be able to have a life where I'm free to go on holidays whenenever I like, so if I'm doing all the marketing, that doesn't work...so, my mindset's, sort of shifted a little bit and I'm looking at outsourcing it all now. But I have enough education to know, if what they're doing is good or not.
Elizabeth Diacos: 11:25
Yeah, that helps, doesn't it or... or enough education to know that there's no way I want to spend the rest of my life doing these particular things, so I'm going to find someone who likes doing it.
Tracey Wyber: 11:36
Yes, someone who's better at it than me
Elizabeth Diacos: 11:39
.So what's your actual role now in the.. in your business?
Tracey Wyber: 11:45
I'm still a bit of everything right now, as in, I do a lot of organisation... so that's definitely a strength. I can organise a lot of things efficiently. I can remember a lot of things... I document well. So I ...I suppose, in the organisational mode of ...And it is a lot of admin, actually, what I do.
Elizabeth Diacos: 12:09
So would you say that the skills you developed as a teacher transferred well into this role in the family business?
Tracey Wyber: 12:19
Oh so well, like being able to write posts on social media, Being able to write blogs, being able to put emails together easily and not be afraid of what you're saying or if your grammar's correct. Well, there's all that! The money side of it. You know, I...it hasn't been that hard to look at the numbers and work out that kind of side of things either.
Elizabeth Diacos: 12:44
Your husband must think you were such an asset to the business.
Tracey Wyber: 12:48
Business has changed, but it's also the power of, you know, two... like or, more because now we've grown our team. But yeah, it has changed. We have a business coach, though. Thank goodness for him because he has just stretched our minds.
Elizabeth Diacos: 13:04
Right? Well, so you actually outsourced... got some help externally, someone who could help you with the areas where you feel less confident? Well, like you're not sure what's next?
Tracey Wyber: 13:16
Yeah, well, I figure the soccer coach ...the soccer player that wants to do well, get a coach. So we want to do well in business, so we need a coach.
Elizabeth Diacos: 13:24
Yeah. So I have coaches as well ...for my "get out of teaching business". Okay, so... So as far as transferrable skills, what do you think was like, your number one skill that you took?
Tracey Wyber: 13:40
Um, probably being able to write well, right? Reasonably. Well, I feel confident enough to get stuff a go. The writing side?
Elizabeth Diacos: 13:53
Yeah, they're funny, like you're funny. So I I would never imagine I would enjoy reading a post, about air conditioning.
Elizabeth Diacos: 14:03
And actually, that's that's the thing because when you teach persuasive writing at school, and advertising, you really learn that you can't be boring. You've got to connect on a human level. And that's probably been one thing that made it easier with marketing.. it's just... Yeah, you've got to spice it up and have a bit of fun.
Elizabeth Diacos: 14:23
Yeah, well,
Tracey Wyber: 14:30
I need glasses, and I'm still in denial. And sometimes I'm like, Oh, my gosh, the typos Because I can't see them.
Elizabeth Diacos: 14:37
(laughs)
Tracey Wyber: 14:38
think when it comes to being a teacher and, you know, you're like, Oh, my God. Did I spell that like that!!??
Elizabeth Diacos: 14:43
Yes. Oh, that's just vanity, Right? Okay, so on your way out, you were talking before about how you were able to find out information about marketing and things like that that you needed without having to go back to do further study. So did you do any extra training or how did you sort of, find out exactly what you needed to help you do your job?
Tracey Wyber: 15:12
I joined some networking groups, so like- minded business people and to me they were the biggest assets. So then you'd hear from other people, you know, "Maybe try this course". So I did a few different courses that were recommended to me, but I didn't do like a ... You know, the courses that I did were all around personal development. They're the ones I signed up for.
Elizabeth Diacos: 15:39
Like what
Elizabeth Diacos: 15:39
everything else....
Elizabeth Diacos: 15:40
Do you remember any...
Tracey Wyber: 15:41
Everything else was shorter....Like the...The courses that went for, maybe a semester or term. So they weren't even very long were always on personal development. Then I would do day courses on leadership or marketing and stuff like that,
Elizabeth Diacos: 15:59
Right? Okay, so you didn't actually go back and do any further Tertiary study, formal study?
Tracey Wyber: 16:05
No...
Elizabeth Diacos: 16:05
Oh, no, I'm not suggesting that you should...
Tracey Wyber: 16:09
(laughs) I didn't want to
Elizabeth Diacos: 16:09
I'd encourage people to NOT do that. Having done that myself, I realised after I did a heaps of extra study, that actually there was probably one course that I really did need, that would have... the coaching course that I did that trained me in how to be a coach, but everything else I did, I probably could have got it in other ways, you know, like read more, or doing short courses, But at the time, it looked to me like there weren't any other possibilities. And I have a degree now...a Masters in Positive Psychology. And that was an option. There was nothing much out there when I did that. But, now there are lots of different options, so there's always stuff coming along all the time. Okay, So when you're feeling stuck, when you're at the at the bottom when you're feeling sad, like you said, so go back to the days at the end of the year when you were the P.E. teacher and you were just really feeling like you've missed something along the way. What advice would you give to someone else in that situation where they're they're stuck, their wheels are spinning, They just don't know what's the next step...
Tracey Wyber: 17:23
to take the leap and the net will appear
Tracey Wyber: 17:27
If you're that unhappy. Like from what I've learnt now....negative energy just attracts more negative energy. And I know I was in that negative space, so I was just attracting more and more of it without realising. And even though it is a bit confusing, if you don't know where you're headed, you've got nothing else to do but search. So I just ...Yeah, you've got time to look for... And even if it means getting a part time job just to feed yourself where you're looking, I think you'd be so much happier.I was so much happier and I didn't actually even wait to the end of the year, I was so unhappy. I just left halfway through.
Elizabeth Diacos: 18:06
Oh really
Tracey Wyber: 18:07
I couldn't even finish the year
Elizabeth Diacos: 0:00
You didn't finish your contract?
Tracey Wyber: 18:13
Nope! I just couldn't.
Elizabeth Diacos: 18:16
And so, like , I know, in the US some districts will fine people for breaching their contract. If that was the case here, which I know it isn't , would you have still done it?
Tracey Wyber: 18:28
Hard to say, hard to say I wouldn't have wanted to be fined. But, I'm not sure I might have stuck it out, but I would hope I wouldn't...from what I know now that it would have just been a very miserable time, and we've only got one life. So... six months of unhappiness, mmm
Elizabeth Diacos: 18:49
What price can you put on that,I guess that's the bottom line. Isn't it? is it worth it? What's the price of being happy...
Tracey Wyber: 18:58
Yeah...
Elizabeth Diacos: 18:59
Ok, so. Now you're you're out, your flourishing you You look like you're pretty happy how how can people get in touch with you if they want to use the service that you offer and also sort of ...bigger than that... Like what...what advice would you give to someone who maybe decides to go into business for themselves rather than working for an employer? So let's do the ... Let's do the last question first. So what, what advice would you give to someone who's going to maybe branch out on their own and then how can peopke in touch with you if they want to use what you offer.
Tracey Wyber: 19:35
If I... if I could, I would make sure that if you wanted to leav e teaching and go into your own business, do the numbers first., Make sure that you can access enough money because you don't want to have a financial burden. That was.. from myself. That's why the long-service leave was good, but...
Elizabeth Diacos: 19:55
OK...
Tracey Wyber: 19:56
maybe even ease out of teaching so that you can... It depends, everyone's different, but
Elizabeth Diacos: 20:03
yes, so...
Tracey Wyber: 20:06
plan it..a little bit. Or...Maybe not! if you've had enough, leap!! (laughs)
Elizabeth Diacos: 20:09
(Laughs)
Elizabeth Diacos: 20:17
Everyone's different...depends on your situation. But I wish I took the leap five years earlier.
Elizabeth Diacos: 20:19
Oh, wow...so it looks like the safety net was important to you, at the time?
Tracey Wyber: 20:25
Yes. The one thing that teaching does do well , is it gives you a community and it tick a lot of boxes in fulfilling, like human needs. You're in a giving role, and you feel good about yourself in what you are doing, most of the time. So, it is hard to find other jobs like that.
Elizabeth Diacos: 20:50
Yeah...
Tracey Wyber: 20:50
However, I found it now, you've just gotta adapt it...it's not actually that hard.
Elizabeth Diacos: 20:56
So what do you think about...just on that... What is it about your job?. ..I mean, you're working in the trade trade industries, like you're working in construction.
Tracey Wyber: 21:07
Yeah, I know all these guys everywhere.
Elizabeth Diacos: 21:10
Well, how is ...How does that meet that purpose about, I don't know, helping to...humanity to flourish, which is what teaching's about? Like what? How does that...
Tracey Wyber: 21:24
It's helped...I fill that need, because now we're growing our team and I definitely use my, um teaching. Like I just feel adults as well as children need nurturing..need to be able to feel that they're part of something. And so, building a team and nurturing a team has become my thing. And that ticks the box that I used to get... You know, the buzz that you get when you're teaching kids...it gives you that buzz. So it's transferred to that, which I love. I just dropped off a whole lot of stuff to my... a couple of guys. And they're waiting on the footpath for because they're in a car park and they're like jumping up and down and waving their arms. Oh, they're just so cute...i felt like they're so happy. And I'm happy.
Elizabeth Diacos: 22:12
Yeah
Tracey Wyber: 22:12
It's a bit weird, I s'pose...
Elizabeth Diacos: 22:15
No, it sounds like you really managed to create a life that you don't need to escape from, which is, you know...That's certainly one of my goals is to create a life I don't need to escape from, but let me...
Tracey Wyber: 22:27
Don't get me wrong. I still do personal development every single day, and I meditate for about an hour and 15 every day. So... It's a work in progress. It's not like Yeah.... that is a goal to be...Stay in the happy place as much as possible.
Elizabeth Diacos: 0:00
OK...
Tracey Wyber: 0:00
You don't get a lot of time to do that when you're teaching like, just focus on that kind of side of life. Cause you're just so busy... a lot of negativity with within the staff room because everyone's so stretched and stressed. There's not a lot of time ... I never even thought about like development for myself as a person back when I was teaching. Just get me through the day and home to a wine.
Elizabeth Diacos: 23:17
Yeah, I think that's a pretty common experience, and it's something that when I'm speaking to someone who might need my help... that's often one of the biggest barriers is that they're not used to getting help for themselves. They're used to being sort of delivered professional development and not having to seek out stuff. So I mean, I was, I was so bored.. or that was one of the things to me was I was bored and so I was actually going off and doing extra study and doing stuff on the weekends when have maybe my colleagues weren't and so I found it easier to make that transition at because I was prepared to do that sort of self, I don't know, self development stuff. But if you're not used to it. And it's not in your sort of, you know, in your behaviour repertoire, to do that, then it is harder to imagine. "Oh, you want me, to pay you to help me to do this thing I need to do. But I'm used to having that just delivered it as part of the deal." So,
Tracey Wyber: 24:25
yeah,
Elizabeth Diacos: 24:26
There's a bit of a shift in the thinking isn't there when you have to source your own development?
Tracey Wyber: 24:31
Yes.
Elizabeth Diacos: 24:32
So if you got anything else to add on that before we talk about ...how do we get hold of you if we need you?
Tracey Wyber: 24:40
No. Not really, I think I've said enough...
Elizabeth Diacos: 24:45
You've shared your wisdom? Wonderful. Thank you. So if we wanted to use your service, where would we need to be in the world? What... How could you help?
Tracey Wyber: 24:54
Okay, so? Well...we're commercial and a little bit of domestic.. We do an air con installation and electrical work. So completely different to teaching. I know nothing about either trade, really. Our business is called Trackie industries which's been named after me. My husband named it after me, which is a bit weird. I don't know, it is what it is... a bit like Google. ..It doesn't mean anything and We've got a website that www.trackieind.com.au. So trackie Ind... trackie industries it's short for Yes, so that we also do energy efficiency for schools. So schools that want to rate for 21st century learning actually, like schools that want to look at how much power they're using and actively reduce it. So we do a bit of that and...I can pitch around that.
Elizabeth Diacos: 25:53
I was always worried about that when I was an art teacher because I was dreading the day when the business manager woke up one morning and said the kiln... the power to operate the kiln should come out of the art budget.
Elizabeth Diacos: 0:00
Yeah, yeah...
Elizabeth Diacos: 26:06
they never did it while I was there, but I was, you know, every year I thought, Is this going to be the year where they make us pay? I think it would have impacted on the art programme if we had to pay for the power cost out of our, budget because it was going up to like, 1200 degrees and, you know, firing for 12 hours or something. So it was on a long time, you know? Anyway, that's cool. I would have loved to have known. I mean, we kind of do a basic calculation, but I would love to be able to have tracked that information to see what is the actual cost of running the whole art programme. And what is the cost of actually firing a pot you know? I find that fascinating...
Tracey Wyber: 26:49
Yeah.
Elizabeth Diacos: 26:50
Okay, So you're in Castle Hill in Sydney, which is up one sort of foot of the...
Tracey Wyber: 27:00
no. Inner West, west sort of..., near Parramatta, near Parramatta. Our office is North Rocks, that's right next to Parramatta.
Elizabeth Diacos: 27:10
Yeah. Okay. So do you service that just that area, or do you service the whole of Sydney?
Tracey Wyber: 27:17
All of Sydney, a little bit in Queensland. And we've done some work in Aldi in Dandenong in Melbourne., actually
Elizabeth Diacos: 27:28
Oh, next time you're in Melbourne, we'll have to have a coffee.
Tracey Wyber: 27:29
They monitor their power. Aldi...as in the food store. They're very proactive in reducing, you know, power costs and being efficient.
Elizabeth Diacos: 27:41
Oh, Yeah, my local Aldi also has a regular run to my local creek to pull out all the trolleys that people dump.
Tracey Wyber: 27:50
Tracey Wyber: 27:50
Ah, yeah, that's very good. That they do that ...
Elizabeth Diacos: 27:53
They're their trolleys, but, still, I think at least they'd go get them, right? They don't just leave them in there, so Yeah, I have. I have a slightly increased respect for Aldi after finding that out.
Tracey Wyber: 0:00
That's good (laughs)
Elizabeth Diacos: 28:03
Awesome, alright, look, thank you so much, Tracey, for coming on the show today. I really appreciate you taking the time, Especially when you're, like, on the hop in your car, going out and doing y'know emergency drop offs. And you still were able to be here for this, this time. I really appreciate you coming on...
Tracey Wyber: 28:22
My, my pleasure. Because I know teachers just work so hard and life does not have to be that hard. There's a light at the end of the tunnel if you choose that, I think ...I wish I had podcast, like this to listen to when I was in my darker times, actually,
Elizabeth Diacos: 28:42
I'm hoping that this will be like the hump day.... I'm going to bring it out on a Wednesday, and so it'll be like hump day podcast so that when you're having a rough week, you could listen to this on the way to work.
Elizabeth Diacos: 28:54
Yeah, that's good. And not go to work. (laughs)
Elizabeth Diacos: 28:58
Thank you so much for your time today, Tracey. It was really great to talk with you. ...You've been listening to the get out of teaching podcast presented by Larksong Enterprises with your host, Elizabeth. Do you know someone else who could benefit from hearing more stories of hope and transition from teachers all around the world? Please take a moment to share this and other episodes via your podcast app. Each share helps me reach listeners just like you, who can benefit from this content. The Get out of Teaching podcast is proud to be part of the Experts on Air Podcast network. For show notes and other resources, please visit larksong.com.au/podcast