Having worked as a nurse and a nurse educator, Ged found herself in the challenging and exciting world of politics in her forties, while raising a young family. Now working as an advocate for local communities of the disenfranchised and vulnerable, Ged is making a massive impact in her local community and at the federal level.
In this inspiring episode, she shares her journey and offers insight, advice and support for anyone who is considering a career in politics.
Having worked as a nurse and a nurse educator, Ged found herself in the challenging and exciting world of politics in her forties, while raising a young family. Now working as an advocate for local communities of the disenfranchised and vulnerable, Ged is making a massive impact in her local community and at the federal level.
In this inspiring episode, she shares her journey and offers insight, advice and support for anyone who is considering a career in politics.
Welcome to the Get out of Teaching podcast presented by Larksong Enterprises. I'm your host Elizabeth Diacos. On the show, we'll look at the who, what, why, where, when, and how of moving out of your Education career and into a life you love. We'll meet ex-teachers, delve into what we love about teaching and how to translate that into something new. We will talk to people who can support and inspire us as we make the transition and work on identifying the legacy we want to leave in the world. So come along for the ride as we get out of teaching. Episode 16. Hi everyone, and welcome to the show.. on today's show. I'm interviewing Ged Kearney and Ged, thank you for coming on the show today.
Ged Kearney:It's a great pleasure. Thank you.
Elizabeth Diacos:So Ged tell us about yourself, where you're from and what brought you into teaching in the first place.
Ged Kearney:Well, where am I from? I grew up in Richmond, actually, in Victoria. My parents were Republicans and um, we were a big family, nine children, big Irish family. And my dad was called Mick, and he owned a pub....how archetypal can you get? Um, so very busy lives second to youngest. And, um, I, uh, grew up in that area till my teenage years when we shifted into the suburbs, what we thought were the suburbs there, but it was Alphington and my love affair with the Northern suburbs began then. Um, I became a nurse and did nursing as they say, and, um, really loved it. I was a great nurse and thoroughly enjoyed it and, uh, stayed in the nursing profession for about 15 years. I moved from being a award nurse where, and I went into actually nursing education. So I did a Bachelor of Education a bit later in life and I began to teach the new nurses that came through into the clinical setting. And then I actually ended up running the Clinical Nursing Education Department at the Austin hospital where we ran post-grad courses and all that sort of stuff for nurses to enhance their career. And
Elizabeth Diacos:so how old were you when you did your, your Bachelor of Education?
Ged Kearney:Um, that's a good question. Um,
Elizabeth Diacos:about....
Ged Kearney:30, about 30, I would say, u h, because I remember I was still having babies t hat s tate growing my family. And so studying, working, u m, shift work, et cetera, et cetera, was quite challenging. I remember. So, u h, yeah. U h, so I did my bachelor of education w hen formally into the education stream of nursing and then what happened then? Then, u m, I became very active in the trade union movement, particularly in the A AN m s, which was the nursing union and found myself, u m, I a re very secured as p art, which I won't bore everyone with as national secretary of the n urse's union, which was fantastic. A nd I l oved that. Then I became president of the ACTU, which of course is the Australian council trade unions, and then I became a member f or Cooper.
Elizabeth Diacos:So you made that all sound very seamless. So, so I know that, um, I have, I have one client who I've worked with recently who wants to get into politics and I think, um, I mean you're obviously an altruist, you've been a nurse and a teacher and now you're in politics. And it seems to me that people want to get into that game if you like, um, to make a difference to the world. So would you say that was what motivated you? And what was...how did you, how did you make that happen? Like that's, you made it sound really quick and easy. I'm sure it wasn't,
Ged Kearney:How did I make it happen? Um, I sometimes think my career is a bit like Forrest Gump, you know, things just kind of fall in my lap. But when you reflect on it, and particularly I was reflecting on it, for today's interview, it's about a whole lot of things. Um, and I think if you want to go into politics, wanting to do it for the right reasons is a great start. You want to do it to change the world temper your...you know, those expectations. It's very hard to change the world, but you do feel a little bit like you are, you're lucky enough to get elected into politics. I think that is the right reason to go in. Um, and, uh, believe me in my view, having had wonderful life experience, like being a teacher and having to cope with all of those demands of that world I think puts you in incredibly good stead for being a politician if that's where you want to go. So don't discount that part of your life as being not useful at all. It's incredibly useful in so many ways. My career as a nurse and as a nurse educator, I think were the best, um, building blocks for what I have to do now, if that makes sense. So.. first of all, really value the skills that you've got and you've learned from that because they are invaluable, trust me! And then I guess take opportunities as they come along. Don't tell yourself you couldn't possibly do that if somebody asked you to do it, which we are inclined to do. I think particularly women, perhaps. I remember when I was approached and asked if I would consider running for the ACTU, I just thought What? Me? No way in the world could I do that. Bob Hawke did that job! Like, I couldn't do that job. It was won...there were wonderful people around me who said, don't be ridiculous. Of course you can do it. And I did it for nearly 10 years, one of the hardest jobs in my life. But I did it. And so value of what you have, value the skills... Value, what you've developed over the time, take the opportunities as they come along. If you feel they're not coming along, then go and talk to people who you know can actually put you in the right direction. Ring people like me and say, you know, I'd really like to work in politics. How do I start? Where do I go...Keep your eyes open for those jobs? Make, you know, networks are so important. Networks are, I've learned incredibly important in life for all sorts of things, but for a career as well. And um, yeah, a little bit of pursuing... Go out and find the people that can help you and grab those opportunities as they come along.
Elizabeth Diacos:Sounds like some wonderful advice. So, was there a... When you left nursing education did... Was there a, like... Did you want to get out? W ere you disappointed or like, how did, how did that come about that, that part of the process? Like was, there a tipping point for you that made you decide to get out and mo ve i n to p olitics or was it, as you say, just opportunity arose? Like how did that, what was th e, what was the, can you tell us a bit of that story, that part of the story?
Ged Kearney:Sure, well...I was doing quite well in my nursing career. I was at a Deputy Director of nursing type of position. Albeit in the Education stream and I loved it. I think it was going okay. Um, but an opportunity did arise for me and I saw that opportunity and I think I probably thought, well, it's time for change by this stage. My kids were all at school. Um, I'd achieved quite, I thought I'd achieved an okay amount in my nursing career. I could have stayed in nursing I think, but just when the opportunity came along to do something different, something fresh, something interesting, a bit exciting, I decided to do it. And, um, that was the opportunity to run for Assistant National Secretary of the Federal union. And, uh, I did.
Elizabeth Diacos:that was the Nurses union,
Ged Kearney:the nurses union, the ANF as it was called then, the Australian Nursing Federation. And this was the, the national peak body...and so the opportunity came to do that and it was one of the best decisions I ever made, I think. And, uh, I'll, I'll, I, I really what made me do it? I've listened...I've never really reflected on that, Elizabeth, but I think it was just a time in my life where a lot of things were changing. As I said, the kids were at school. I'd been in nursing, y ou k now, nearly 20 years, I thought... Ye p. Time for a change. And I took up the opportunity. Ye ah. I didn't go looking for it really. I just took, I took it up w hen it came along.
Elizabeth Diacos:Yeah. But someone must have, you know, tapped you on the shoulder. I mean, they must have realized,...seen potential there, in you!
Ged Kearney:Well, it's, it's, I think... Yeah, maybe. I mean, I've always worked hard and I've always had set really firm goals for myself and, uh, in my jobs. And I've always thought, I don't know, setting goals never.... People used to say to you in job interviews, where do you want to be in five years? I never, ever knew what to say about that ever! I hated that question, you know, but when I'm in a job, I really know what it is that I want to...want to do with that job in that role. And I, and I pursue it on a sort of even a day to day, week to week, monthly, yearly basis. And I think because I, yeah, I did make some changes and did some good things. Yeah. People do notice you, and don't be shy about that. Um, you know, it was hard for me being eighth of nine children to get over being shy, but then sometimes you've got to actually say,"Hey, I did that and I did it really well and everybody have a look at this". Like, you know, I was always good at that, you know, presenting what I'd done and really making sure people can see it. So that's important too, I think. So people do notice you if you're prepared to really put yourself out there a bit.
Elizabeth Diacos:So was there any fear around that for you to put yourself forward? Like you did say just before that, that you felt like you couldn't possibly do something that Bob Hawke had done, for instance. So was there a fear and what, what was the sort of the source of that, for you?
Ged Kearney:Total fear! Absolutely terrifying. Um, uh, what was the source of it? I think it's, um, you know, I think it's probably a lot of it is gender based. Uh, I am inherently shy. I remember when I was a little girl living in my dad's pub, in our pub. Dad was very worried about how shy and retiring I was, and he used to make me stand up on the bar and sing to a room of drunks...seriously! Mmm. Yes. It made be overcome my shyness. It was terrifying. Probably why I've got that awful Twitch now. But, um,
Elizabeth Diacos:sorry, I'm really having trouble, uh, just thinking what, what if, if he did that now, what would happen?(laughter)
Ged Kearney:Yeah, the DHS would be down on him like a ton of bricks maybe. Um, but it was a, it was a small family pub. We had a lady who played the piano and I could sing the entire score of"Oliver"from the beginning to end. So that's what I used to do. Um, and so I developed over the years mechanisms for overcoming that shyness, y'know,, and it really does help to, you know, if you are a shy person and there's, you know, there's often lots of careers you can take, but you don't need to be extroverted or overt or whatever. But there does come a time when you need to be prepared to stand up and say, well, this is what I've done and I'm proud of it. Really project that in the appropriate way to the appropriate people. I think it's important and a lot of people don't do that. Um, and then, uh, that's bit different though, I think to self-belief. So when the big opportunity comes along, you really got to tell yourself you can do this, there's no reason you can't do it. Have a go anyway. And if it doesn't work out, it's not the end of the world, you know? Um,
Elizabeth Diacos:yeah,
Ged Kearney:You can always try something else. Hmm.
Elizabeth Diacos:Yeah. That's, I think that's really great advice to just have a go at it because you won't really know unless you try it
Ged Kearney:and you, I reckon nine times out of 10 you surprise yourself really. Okay. And one other thing I think that's always helpful is I always tell people"I'm not going to be perfect. You know, this is new for me. I'm giving it a go, give me a break for a little while". You know? And...
Elizabeth Diacos:so it's the managing expectations when you get into that new role so that people don't just expect you to be wonderful at the first, in the first instance.
Ged Kearney:Yeah, yeah....Going into the ACTU Presidency role, it was a huge expectation and that was a very vast learning curve for me. And it took me a little while to get anywhere near, I think, competent in that job. But, u m, you did your best. I did my best and I would tell people, just give me a break. Just let me get there for a minute. I'm doing okay. And you know, people want you to succeed. People don't want you to fail. Generally. They want you to succeed and they will help, if you a sk for i t.
Elizabeth Diacos:Yeah, that's right. I think that's great advice in any, in any job context, isn't it to say like, you know, I think most people actually, especially if they've just employed you, they, they don't, they don't want you to fail because they've invested so heavily in you.
Ged Kearney:Correct. That's true. That's true. And um, yeah, and they're the people that you seek help from, the people that have invested in you, the people who have had faith in you, that will help you. And you know, it's sometimes you feel it's a bit of a failure to ask for help, but absolutely not. It's fine.
Elizabeth Diacos:Oh, thank you. I think that's really encouraging for, I'm sure our listeners, my listeners, your, your listeners will be, um, encouraged to hear that even someone who's, you know, achieved a level of, I guess, fame really in this little corner of the world. Um, and nationally as well, uh, is still able to say, you know, it's okay to ask for help.
Ged Kearney:It is, you know, I was, um, and to be a bit nervous, I was so nervous coming into this job. Imagine one of my first or second caucus meetings, which is a meeting where all of the Labor party parliamentarians meet and we discuss policy and decisions. And I'm not allowed to say anything because you have to(click, click) about caucus and what you're talking about, but I will tell a quick story in that, um, I was terrified. There was this issue that was really important to me, but to the people I represented, I knew I had to speak up and say something in the caucus meeting about this issue, but I was, I was sitting there like this, I mean... Imagine you're in a room with, um, Bill Shorten, Penny Wong, um, Kristina Keneally. I mean all of these, Tanya Plibersek, all of these brilliant people that you've looked up to for a long time.And then there's, you and you think,"Oh my God". and, I got a text message from Penny Wong who was sitting on the opposite side of the room and she said to me, you haven't put your name on the s peakers list. I know this is important to you.
Elizabeth Diacos:Yeah.
:It was across the room, you know, and I texted back, I said, but Penny, umm, I disagree with you. I'm going to argue against your view. And she texted back, she said, I know Ged, stand up and put your name on the list!
Elizabeth Diacos:Oh, that's wonderful!
Ged Kearney:So, there people that want to help you and want you to do well all around you... Find them. Yeah.
Elizabeth Diacos:Yeah. And I think that just shows, too the value of that political process that there is that discussion and, and that, that frankness that hopefully leads to better outcomes.
Ged Kearney:Yeah, that's true.
Elizabeth Diacos:Okay. Hopefully, but maybe not always in everyone's opinion. Right.
Ged Kearney:Well, we are a broad church and yeah, that's true.
Elizabeth Diacos:Okay. So, so, um, tell us then what, what's your role now and how, how did, how did the skills that you had as a teacher transfer and as a nurse, I guess, too, how did they transfer into what you're doing right now?
Ged Kearney:Uh, well, um, a huge part of my role is to be in the electorate and to support the community that I represent. And I really love that part. So it's about being prepared to get right out there into community organizations, um, into schools, into all the places where people in the community go and to find out how you can support them and what you can do to make sure their lives are better. And I think as a nurse and as a teacher in particular, being able to communicate is wonderful. Being able to read a room and read a mood and read a feeling, being able to get a grasp of where people are at with, whether it's a subject and issue, whether it's the economic situation. I think that the skills that you get as a teacher, imagine, in a whole room of kids, being able to understand where each one of those kids is at, working with their families, understanding their community, background impacting on how they're going to learn. Um, not everybody can do that and not everybody has those skills. For me, I would work in walking to, um, uh, a ward or I would really have to understand my patients intimately and my workmates. Working in a team. All of those things that you learned in that job are incredibly important, but I think the most important thing that helps me is that I have a really good grasp of, um, life... and what it's like for a lot of people outside my life, which is very luckily very comfortable and very privileged, but to have been exposed to a lot of other situations in life. I think that, that to me is invaluable life experience. So, crikey, I couldn't think of any way other than being a teacher, how you would understand the community and the complexities that exist in that community. So for me, as a politician and going back into then go to Canberra, which is the other half of my life when we're making laws and debating social policy and all of that sort of stuff, I feel that I have a really good grasp of what my community needs and wants and hopefully argue, uh, for good outcomes for them.
Elizabeth Diacos:Yeah. Well, I mean, I saw you speak briefly at a local community opening over a little coffee shop that's going to be a training, training venue for people who maybe have been jobless for a w hile or w ho need extra support to learn some basic skills so that they can find employment. And yeah, I could just see y ou, you know, working the room kind of, so to speak. It was a n outdoor venue, but, but you, and then you gave a really lovely short speech, which we're all grateful for, and like you just understood the context a nd, and I, and I can see what you're saying about, u m, being able to have that nuanced understanding of where the space that you walk into and see what's needed in that moment. I think that is a really valuable skill that teachers and obviously nurses as well bring into it. So, would you say t hat that there was extra training that you needed or that you wished you'd been able to access on your way out of...out of nurse education and into that political arena?
Ged Kearney:Mmm, well, uh, I'm old. So I've gathered a lot of skills over my life. I'm 57.
Elizabeth Diacos:Oh, ancient!. I'm not going to tell you how old I am!
Ged Kearney:Of course, you always wish that you had a little more knowledge and understanding. Um, I wish I, uh, well, you know, very practical things, reading legislation in this job. That is hard and I can understand why people with a legal background are attracted to politics because a lot of it is understanding legislation and laws. Um, so, you know, I would have liked a little bit of understanding of that. Uh, now for this job and I'm still learning that that is something I'm picking up, but really basic things like, um, reading a balance sheet, you know. Look, the ACTU, suddenly I was having to sign cheques and sign off on au dited a ccounts and understand, you know, al l o f t hat sort of stuff. I ha ve t o do that also for the office, now at the electoral office, I have a bu dget t hat I ha ve t o manage and um, v ery practical things like that. Chairing a meeting. It's not as easy as it looks. It's actually quite a really hard thing to do, particularly if you're the ACTU President and you're chairing, um, the entire union movement in one meeting. Now when I'm chairing committees and things like that, um, I think, um, perhaps it's not an issue for teachers, but I think writing is a real skill and being able to understand the different writing methods needed for different things. Writing a newspaper editorial is completely different to writing a committee report. You know, there's lots of lots of areas that I think I need improvement on. And so you're always learning, always learning. I know when I was back nursing, my Bachelor of Education was huge, huge leap forward for me. Um, because I wasn't university trained that was hospital trained as a nurse and then going to university and doing the Bachelor of Education, oh, it was the best thing I ever did. So, um, yep. It's always good to learn. Uh, formally I haven't done any more formal learning since then really. But yeah, it's, it's always worthwhile checking out what you need.
Elizabeth Diacos:Hmm. So it's interesting you talk about, uh, genres of writing because I think even if they may not need to write much as teachers although maybe you know, school newsletters and that kind of thing and maybe some grant applications, but they're certainly teaching those, especially in secondary school, they'll be teaching those styles of writing. So just having an understanding of all that, I think that a lot of teachers would have that.
Ged Kearney:Mm. Yep. For sure!
Elizabeth Diacos:how, what's life like for you now then in this new role? How long have you been in this role for as an MP?
Ged Kearney:Two years, last March, two years. Um, I really love it. I'm enjoying it. Um, I've always, um, thrown myself in any job I have. I'm just about to have a few people come in in my front door, so I'm sorry about that. I should have closed the door behind me. Um, uh, it's one of those jobs though, where you have to make your own work. Like you have to, uh, you can be as busy as you want or not as busy as you want. And I find that challenging. So I've always been in jobs that are incredibly busy and every day you've got a list of things that have to be done and you've got meetings and there's never enough time in a day. As a politician, I find that you really need to seek out what you want to do and make the work. Does that make sense?
Elizabeth Diacos:Yes. We make the sense of that's what my days are like too. I have to go, how am I going to use my time today?
Ged Kearney:Yeah, that's right. And um, now that we're two years in, I've got a great bunch of people working with me, a great office team and we've kind of got into a rhythm now of what it is that we want to achieve and, and how we, how busy we are. So, u m, and it's busy c ause I want to do a lot of stuff. U m, yeah. So i t's, it's a different type of work that I've never done before and that was a big challenge to me. So, but I think we've g ot into a rhythm now and we know what we're doing. Thank goodness
Elizabeth Diacos:Yes. So the challenge was around managing your own schedule? Is that what you're saying?
Ged Kearney:It was, well, it was around what really I could just as a politician, you could just sit in your office and wait for people to come in. Right. You could...quite easily do that. I think if, if y ou're in a safe seat, but that's not the type of politician I wanted to be. I didn't want to be one that just sat there and w aiting for the w ork to come i n. I w anted to go out and create a body of work that was helpful, that put me into the community. And so you have to say, well, how do you do that? I didn't know... H ow'd you go out there and create work in the community? So it took us a little while to really work that out. But now it's, it's, it's a body of work we're working on now. We had o ur five areas that I wanted to have an influence and we mapped out what, how we could influence those particular policy areas. And we got about got to work on it. And now we're really busy and it's great.
Elizabeth Diacos:And I guess too, like, you know, I connected with you because I, I met you or saw you at a community event. So I'm assuming that, you know, that's how people find you now. They see you somewhere else and they go, Oh, look at her, she's great. I want to talk to her. And so we'll get her to come to our event or whatever it is. And so having that, that um, being out in the community as you say, actually makes you more accessible.
Ged Kearney:Yeah, it does. And that's what I love. That's the bit I love the most about this job. I do enjoy having policy wins, but being in opposition, um, they're a little bit far and few between, but you know, you do your best to push and keep people accountable and make sure the government is actually getting the messages that you want them to get from your community. Whether or not they act on them or not is frustrating sometimes, but you just gotta have very loud voice and make sure you're heard.
Elizabeth Diacos:So. So how is the, I almost hesitate to mention Corona virus, but I feel like I'd be remiss not to at least bring it in a little bit. Um, is... You're obviously not adding, having, doing community events now. So how has that shifted for you? Like how has that made things change in your work?
Ged Kearney:Well, it was a huge challenge at the beginning because, um, you know, I have an office full of workers and um, wonderful staff and I wanted them to be gainfully employed and, but I also wanted to help the community in any way I could. We're all having I.T. Challenges working from home as you can imagine. Um, and so we just did it again, exactly our tried and true method. We've just got to put our heads together and say, well, okay, let's brainstorm some of the ways we can help in the community. Uh, how are we going to do that from home? And we had a really fantastic, um, made a fantastic sort of mud map, you know what I mean?..of all the different areas we could help. Everybody got an area that they had to work on. So we're doing things like, um, we're making phone calls to our elderly people in our community to make sure there are, um, we've got 8,000 people over 80 in Cooper. So we're bringing every single one. I've got 50 wonderful volunteers helping now, which is great. So that's created a body of work cause we've discovered some vulnerable people who need help. So that's another, that's a body of work. We've got all our fabulous organizations, emergency relief organizations in Cooper. There's a lot of wonderful people out there...oh, my goodness me! Working hard to feed people, to shop, to look after pets, you know, all sorts of things. So, um, we're coordinating, helping coordinate that, making sure that people are hooked into the correct, like a triage, I guess, which is great. Um, I'm about to sit down and ring every single one of my school principals to make sure that principals are all coping. Um, we've pulled together a group who are looking after... We're campaigning for the refugees and asylum seekers who at the time for the mantra and that Bell Street hotel.
:That's where my daughter was born.
Ged Kearney:My son was born there. She must have been one of the last ones!
Elizabeth Diacos:Sorry?
Ged Kearney:Your daughter. Must've been one of the last ones before they knocked it down.
Elizabeth Diacos:1997 she was born.
Ged Kearney:yeah, yeah
Elizabeth Diacos:So, what are you doing for the.. Cause I'm really interested in refugee support. What are you doing in that space?
Ged Kearney:Well, we had a great meeting before social isolation measures. Um, we met with, um, I actually went down and met with the asylum seekers in The Mantra. Um, and we met with their support group who are wonderful group of people, uh, some of whom have known the asylum seekers for many, many years and they were on Manus. Um, we've met with doctors and dentists and local health community and local community health workers to see if we can't get them some community health support. We've lobbied quite heavily at a Federal government level to have them released from the Mantra and into community where we can look after them and keep them healthy and give them some semblance of a decent life.
Elizabeth Diacos:Yes
Ged Kearney:Uh, we've written letters, I've had meetings, we've had...coordinated doctors who've written letters as well to the Chief Medical Officer and to the Minister. Uh, we've had newspaper articles. We've, um, we've done we're trying to highlight the issue on social media. We're really working incredibly hard to try to really get those men out of there. Um, particularly now with the COVID-19 crisis. It would be awful if, in any of the detention centres, if the virus was to catch on in one of those places. Unfortunately we have had very little luck with the government and uh... It doesn't matter, we're going to keep going and I want those men in there to know that we will never give up fighting for their rights.
Elizabeth Diacos:Say it loud and clear. I'm going to distribute this podcast episode, so there'll be lots of people listening in. who'll be able to hear that message too. So Ged, just before we finish up today, um, I don't know, we've touched on a lot of topics. What, what would you say is the legacy that you want to leave in the world?
Ged Kearney:I know I saw that you were going to ask me this question. That's a really hard one. I mean, apart from having healthy, well adjusted beautiful children, um, which I think is a great legacy. Uh, I know... You always want to think that you've made a little bit of difference somewhere. I think, you know, as you get older and heading towards the end of your life, you want to look back and say, yeah, I made a difference there. And it doesn't matter how big or small that is, but just to feel you've made a difference, you know, whether it is having got that patient through a terrible illness or made someone's death a little easier by being there or um, you know, work bloody hard on the kinder council, or the school council or done the very best you possibly can in your career. I think a legacy that is personal like that is a really good one where you can say to yourself, yes, I did make a difference in this space and this space and this space. And that's what I really hope that I can say honestly to myself that I've made a difference.
Elizabeth Diacos:Ged Kearney, thank you so much for joining us on the Get out of Teaching podcast today.
Ged Kearney:My pleasure!
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