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Hello, everybody.

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It's a spice.

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This is salty. This is the three B Y podcast for today. It's Saturday, and as usual, we are

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on the road

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on the road. You're not hearing. It's on Saturday. We're recording of some Saturday. So welcome to the show. The big show. The show of record. The most important show you'll never listen to. Okay, Every bit of that's a lie.

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Except it's a show. Here

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it is. A show. Welcome to the show today. This subject we're going to be talking about Wilby. Well, it depends on what you wanna call it. You could call it the B O L. A bug out location. You could call it the country estate. You could call it the woods. Call it the the Hunting Preserve. You got anything you want? The farm

spk_0:   0:51
we call ours the place,

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the place. That's right. So if you're not familiar with the place, we got all kinds of information on the on our website. Three b y means well abroad from Pete put broadcast, trying being the bullets, bandages and you. So what? Do the show bug out locations. We're gonna talk about him. What makes good burger locations. What makes bad bug out locations and most importantly, things to consider, as you are considering about where you would like to have a place to get away from it all. No matter whether it's a, uh weekend retreat or the end of the world as we know it has arrived. So without further ado bug out locations, I'm gonna You're gonna hear more of my voice in this one than hers. But she's already she's already stuck her nose at me titty hell knows what the Is that where you're gonna talk about this?

spk_0:   1:56
That is because he did a fine job of finding our location or narrowing down a set of locations for us to look at together.

spk_1:   2:05
Okay, a personal thing, Spice tonight. Um, we're not really into the stereotypes. The stereotype is that the quote unquote woman likes to spend the money shopping, and the man doesn't like to shop in any way, shape or form unless it's for guns. Well, this man certainly does like to shop for cups. Don't get me wrong, but with our family, it's totally at exactly the opposite of the stereotype, which really is very feral anyway, if not then why are there so many people? Desperate debt? Hope Depot. But anyway,

spk_0:   2:46
everybody's got their Achilles heel. I've got mine, but minus fairly small.

spk_1:   2:52
Yeah, yours is Yours is very, very, very, very, very small. And it's even inexpensive. So that's really good. Hers and seeds, garden plants, stuff look like that. And she has a couple of those that were not gonna get into. Nothing too exciting. But he's not for me.

spk_0:   3:14
Mostly, I hate shop, and I'm not very good at it, and he's much better at it.

spk_1:   3:19
Well, one of us has to be a decent shopper or we get nothing. So I turned. I tend to be a good shopper, but I over by I do. I admit it. I tend to be that person who like, Oh, we've got this problem. Let's fix it today with everything

spk_0:   3:40
I buying the things yes,

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by buying the things which really isn't. Actually, I've learned the best plan. A lot of the stuff you have to either make or set up, because otherwise you just don't understand how they're done,

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and you don't get quite what you want.

spk_1:   3:56
So anyway, I we shopped around. We wanted a place in the country for many, many, many years. We live in a small town. I'll tell you this much. We live in a small town in north Missouri with a population under 5000 well under 5000 and our little town is actually our house in town is sort of a excuse me hit the rubbles trip a survival retreat. Insitu,

spk_0:   4:32
depending on the situation, been under most situations right now. That's right, where would need to be in an emergency? But we have a Plan B,

spk_1:   4:41
but we have a Plan B and that's what that's what the place is about. There's a very famous survivalist, and I don't remember his name. That was a proponent early on in the movement of sheltering in a small town. Not too big, not too small, he would say. Somewhere between 2,505,000 I would personally go down to a small s 1000 to 5000 start to get pretty big. I would put the range of a place you comfortably shelter in between 900 about 4000 with the sweet spots big somewhere around 2500 It's enough. That's a big enough town to have about one of everything. One doctor type person, several nurses, a dentist. You know, one of about everything that you really want to have in your community. If Tian walkie happens, the end of the world that we know, it happens after watch my my potty mouth actually don't have a potty mouth. But there are a couple words we use, Uh, s h T f. You know what it stands for, but this is a G rated family safe show, so we're gonna keep it that way.

spk_0:   6:02
What's wrong with the stuff? It's defense

spk_1:   6:05
stuff. Hits the fan excrement, hits the rotary oscillator. Yeah,

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okay. Ben Sobel today is

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we're getting paying

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as a multiple of what we have paid yesterday. Who

spk_1:   6:24
so doing a big, big proponent of sultry in a small town? No, I'm just gonna start with my fucks on bug out locations. And why people should consider at least having one location already preplanned. Now, that doesn't mean you have to Hey, Emma, go out by something, but you need to have if you need to get out, get out of Dodge. You need to literally have an idea of where out of Dodge Means, and you had need to have a way to keep yourself in shelter and from starving while you're out of your home.

spk_0:   7:14
And if there's more than one person in your family, everybody in the family needs to have the same idea where that spot is. So you can be a communication

spk_1:   7:23
right? We every every region has its difficulties. Florida, East Coast, the Gulf states are all in hurricane zones, and hurricanes can be massive scale. Here in my part of the Midwest, our biggest Our biggest threats are from that weather because there happens every year. You just have an ice storm. Every year you have lightning and wind, dammit! Lightning damage wyndam Every year it just happens. You have tornadoes every year. I mean, I ain't your town every year, but I've lived in the time we live in, 0 35 years now about that over 30 years, and we've had three tornadoes at the toe. So that's what's every 10 years. That means you pretty much really have to have a tornado plan, because this is this is not some pie in the sky never goingto happen. You know we're not talking about alien invasion zombie zombies Rising from the grave is kind of thing we're talking about, really stuff that happens. But the difference treat like a tornado and hurricane is the path of the damage is so much smaller with with the tornado, the tornado may take out my town. Let's just say Let's just say work 3000 Take me. Take out my town of 3000 particular whole center of the town out. But it's probably only gonna take out that town. It's not gonna take out all the surrounding communities. So when we call for aid, which obviously would the surrounding communities would come running? Additionally, we live not too far from the Mississippi River, and there are communities along the river there are prone to flooding or at least prone to flooding in the massive flood events like 73 93 and Spice and I went thio would help them out during the flood of 93 2 a nearby community on the river and we were actually working our tails off on the levee, helping them ah, strengthen the levee when they started passing out the life vests that will make you stop and think

spk_0:   9:47
opened your eyes when they start handing out life s one year. You already knew the water was coming up on the boards as fast as we could play. The board's down, but when they start giving out the life vest, you're going okay, It's midnight. If I actually went into the water orderly chances that be fishing me out. Yeah,

spk_1:   10:07
you don't mess with the you don't mess with the Mississippi River, even in not flood the water. Steve fast in the water is too wide

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and the under totally yet

spk_1:   10:15
And the undertone definitely so anyway, so each team has don't shelter

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in place on a small community on a big river

spk_1:   10:23
right here. Everybody's got these these things we need to worry about here in the Midwest we need. Or at least in the rural Midwest, we need to worry about things like earthquakes. Because the New Madrid seismic fault zone is not that far from here. And unless you know the risk that you have from an earthquake, and unless you have ways of dealing with that in your preps, then it's a real problem. Mother. Yeah, I know exactly what the subsoil is like underneath my house and underneath the place I did. I check the geological substrates before buying both of them, so I know if an eight or 9.0 Earthquake, let's rip. Imagine it is a matter of time. It's not an if it is a win, just like the San Andreas in California. It's not an if that that fault's gonna give again. It's just a matter of when that's what they dio there, there what relieves the stress? Yeah, uh, but I know what we're sitting on, and I also know that we live in a wooden house. We live in a Mason ery house. Masonry house has much better ballistic resistance, but we're much more likely to suffer shifting from an earthquake. Then we are to have somebody shooting at her house. This is the kind of thing you have to keep in mind when you're when you're thinking about my God locations and survival. You know what? What is the likelihood that somebody's going to just haul off and start shooting transfer? Our case is very, very low. What is the likelihood that there's going to be a massive earthquake in my state? The chances are 100%. It just may not happen this year, but the chances aren't 100% than a massive earthquake is coming. It is. It always has been that way, and until this folks is the will grow has any stress on it. Which won't happen in our lifetimes or our Children's or grandchildren. Great grandchildren czar. Probably in the life life span of humanity, it probably will always have earthquakes in this area, so we just have to keep that in mind. So to me, there are several nine starters when you're considering both a place to live where your home is your castle, because for most things, most people are planning to shelter in place, not everybody, but most people are playing your shelter in place.

spk_0:   13:18
It's more realistic,

spk_1:   13:19
Um, so to me, if you're planning the shelter in place, and you probably need a pretty safe place, toe live when it comes to small things, power's out for a week. It's a small thing. A lot of places will be perfectly safe. Perfectly. I live in one of those places perfectly is a perfectly fine no problem

spk_0:   13:50
that power out almost a week before

spk_1:   13:53
my question is, and I want you to really stop and think about that. You live in a city or in a suburb of the city and the power goes down for a week. For whatever reason, hurricane terrorism, I it doesn't matter. The power's out for a week. Will there be riots in the streets where you live? If you live in most cities in America, the answer. That question will be

spk_0:   14:26
yes, somewhere in the city, but not everywhere. But still, that's Are you in the kind of place where that would happen when the food quit getting delivered to the grocery stores?

spk_1:   14:39
Who grocery stores can't open because they the power's out, too? Can't open. You can't operate a grocery store without power. There are rules mean I happen to be on the A local emergency committee, and I've actually seen the rules for grocery store. There are state rules, uh, exactly how much of what you can do, based on the amount of time that the power has been out, what you can sell, and they will shut you down if you ignore their rules and I mean shut you up permanently. So if the power goes out for X amount of time. All this type of food can't be sold. If the power goes up for X amount of time, you're done. So yeah, it doesn't. So how many people have enough food in their houses? Virtually nobody. Hopefully everybody listening to show does. There's just something to consider So bright in here really jumping on

spk_0:   15:42
floodplains? Absolutely not. Because they become unlivable with not a high level of, you know, the floodplain is gonna become unlivable at some point. It's just you don't know what, So I wouldn't consider a flood plain. I wouldn't consider deep in a city that some of that I know is my personal bias against living in that kind of environment just like, But I don't consider them particularly safe because the more people you have around, we're gonna be hurting and in need and desperate and the more use they are having their needs supplied by somebody else. Terrorist here is gonna be and city score high on both of those mentions.

spk_1:   16:35
My thought is this. People tend to and I Oh, I d'oh people tend to just I kind of have look at something, Wait a little workout you know, work out it work out. Kind of kind of kicked the can down the road. Don't really consider everything that's going into you. Yeah, it'll work out. We're not a dangerous neighborhood. But let me tell you, that's a very, very dangerous thing to d'oh in a situation where you talk about where you live. Because if you live in a place with a lot of people around you, you have to realize that a lot of people around you or alcoholics a lot of people around you depend on psychoactive drugs. Me, a lot of people around you, I'm talking about not talking about one in every 100.

spk_0:   17:43
We're not just talking about the illegal ones, either. Here we're talking about, There's a lot of people on prescription medication. You can't control things like

spk_1:   17:52
I'm not saying you can't survive in an area where there are all these people. But I'm saying you better have a plan and you better have it now.

spk_0:   17:59
And that plan better include the fact that there isn't gonna be good fire control. Somebody's going to start fires somewhere, even if it's entirely accidental because they're trying to cook dinner without power they're going to start fires, and a lot of the fire control is going to be out of commission. It's

spk_1:   18:19
right. So consider now, also consider you have to consider things like How can you get water now? We did. Just did a podcast last week on water. You know, various different ways of storing water and how we do it. But this is you can't get past what water always has to be number one. What are you going to do? For what? How are you going to do water? Okay, that's your That's your number. One thing, always. I can't live without it.

spk_0:   18:47
Consider your lines out if you have to get out. Like we were talking about earthquakes here a bit ago. I don't like our house would fall down on any kind of earthquake we're likely to get. It's not that tall house and its will, And the place isn't going anywhere. But Missouri is chock full of bridges, old, rickety, small bridges and the ones that are small but are not Colbert Bridges. A lot of those white will come down, Blake. So I've considered how am I gonna get out to our backup location the place Or how am I gonna get home from work if the earth politics the bridge is out.

spk_1:   19:29
And also another thing that painted that nobody will be paying attention to look at an earthquake. The dams dams will break in. Earthquake knew well designed dams. Not so much, but there's a lot of really old and a lot of a lot of TV a dams out there. Tennessee Valley Authority damns you dams designed almost 100 years ago. That man, if you just gotta pay attention to this stuff, so consider that when you're looking at a bug out location, something else to consider when you're thinking about all this stuff is lines of drift. If it gets into a really bad without rule of law situation, people are gonna start moving. A lot of them are going to be going out to the quote unquote country where they will not be welcome. Let's be very clear. Small communities throughout the north part of the state, the west part of the state, away from your city, depending on where he is. If your city is in the city of Chicago, southern Wisconsin is not going to be a place that's going to be welcoming.

spk_0:   20:49
They know they can't. Angela's many peoples were coming, and they are committed to taking care of their own first.

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And that's just gonna. And

spk_0:   20:55
that's what was in my mind when you were talking about the perfect bug out location is a small town, right? I think it's a great place to shelter in case of most emergencies, but it's a heck of a lot better if you're known there,

spk_1:   21:08
right? I was talking about the big up because the honestly the best place way to be a riel survivalist is too. Literature retreat. I know What's his name were alls. Uh oh, he's got the guy that wrote those silly Patriot books. John Wesley rolls. I forget his name, something like that. You ain't Rawls. He's real big on the literature retreat and on this one thing, I totally agree with you. If you can, the best thing to do is live where you're gonna be, but don't bug out. But if you live in a situation that is not a retreat or is not really defensible, then that's not an option. I mean, I know I read it in all the forums. I've talked to people. So many people are gonna be sheltering in place in a place that is not a tenable. I just want to slap these folks upside the hands. And no, that's not going to work. It'll work for a week. Okay, Maybe to

spk_0:   22:16
a week will handle a lot of

spk_1:   22:18
rice. Absolutely. And if if it's a regional thing or if it's a local thing, Yeah, but if it's if if the poop really does yes, the poop really does hit the fan. You're not gonna make it in the city. You're not gonna make it in the suburb, but you're just not gonna make it sheltering in place.

spk_0:   22:40
I'm looking around here. Is we drive and I'm seeing Oh, that field right there would produce enough corn to feed my town for a week. Not a week, a year,

spk_1:   22:51
a year. But that's just one field. We're not near home yet, but we have fields all around us. And then we have ah, grain elevators full of grain

spk_0:   23:00
protein sources out raising in their fields. Which could the insects in their bonds right there

spk_1:   23:07
couldn't go to market? No. So anyway, I understand the way things are some of you, you know, and gets a situation where, you know, you may be a listing. This thing I've loved to do this. I love to move. I'd love to get a bug out spot, but I just can't afford it because I'm the only person in the family who this matters to, You know, the spouse doesn't care. Okay, That becomes real hard.

spk_0:   23:38
Or the income just isn't enough to support two households. And you gotta live where you gotta live for a job way. Get that stuff.

spk_1:   23:48
Okay, that's That's the second part of our podcast. So we're gonna We're gonna go ahead. You touched on a few of the concerns, Andy, and everybody knows. I guess we don't want to have to. You sit here and drill on it, but there's a There is another way. And let me tell you how we did it. We had x amount of money available. It wasn't a large amount. Okay. Years less than a year's income for one person and without going into all of the details off where every penny came from because some of it came from here and something came from there. and something came through selling something and somebody came from Doesn't matter. It was not a huge amount of money, far less than if you were to go out and buy a new for my for pickup truck. We could have going out and bought a new pickup truck. We could have made that choice. We could have bought a good, uh, luxury type automobile for far more than we spent on the place instead,

spk_0:   25:21
or more money.

spk_1:   25:25
Well, no, but we're talking about buying it. We're not talking about owning it. Sorry, it's just I'm Instead we're driving. Get a car that currently has 201,187 miles on it.

spk_0:   25:48
They are,

spk_1:   25:49
Yeah, it's a good car. It's a good car, but it's not a car that, uh, would win any beauty contests.

spk_0:   26:02
It doesn't make our It doesn't make a friend of people we drive by. Envious of us.

spk_1:   26:08
In fact, it kind of makes random people. We drive by, seek rear a lot poorer than we actually are,

spk_0:   26:17
which is fine.

spk_1:   26:18
We're just fine, because I will. We I But we learned the secret a long time ago. This is how we were able to afford it. And this is how you cooked Should you choose to afford your own bug out place after years of saving? To be fair, we made a commitment not to spend massive amounts of our money on things like cars on assets that depreciate my new car. You drive it off a lot, you've lost 1/4 of the value of that car. That is insane. Financially. Yeah, you got a cool car, and then what you're doing is you're taking You're making payments on that car. I'm assuming you're making payments on the car. But your 99% of people make payments on their cars. We don't,

spk_0:   27:19
at least on their new

spk_1:   27:21
right. We don't do payments. Of course. We only buy things we can't afford to buy a Ford. I mean, that right doesn't mean write the check, even if that means driving a car with 220,000 miles. That's what it means because this car runs dog on good. Nothing wrong with my car that night on the steering wheel. I love this car, but you gotta understand payments on depreciating acts, assets will hell with you financially,

spk_0:   27:58
they limit all the other things.

spk_1:   28:01
Payments on furniture, payments, payments on anything that isn't directly related to your house. Okay, Most people can't buy a house with cash. Fair enough. I get it. Us legit do that. No. Yeah. Payments on stuff that make you money. I make I get that. Let's say, for example, you're a plumber. All you need a van. Okay? Destroy your tools. Tools. You need the tools, that kind of stuff. But those really aren't depreciating assets because you're using them to make money. Those two sorts of payments, they're not my cup of tea at or commend them. But at least understand that. But payments on a large screen TVs not so much. I get a lot of the payments that people have to make our medical payments. I understand our medicine or medical situation is just screwed up beyond all belief. I get that, um, just one. We're not doing a financial show. Basically, what I'm talking about is we bought this place instead of buying a new car because that's the amount of money that we put into our place.

spk_0:   29:27
So what will search criteria?

spk_1:   29:29
The search criteria was one we had X amount of money, period. That's what we had. It's not going to warn that because we can't afford more than we can't write. Check

spk_0:   29:42
the further below that we could get or put in short,

spk_1:   29:47
Exactly because we didn't want to do a couple of short term things quick that we did. If we didn't have a pond on the place, we want to put in a pot immediately. We also wanted to get the trees and stuff going because we believe in permaculture. But the sooner you can get those perennials growing, the better. And that's what she's been busting her tail on last two years. Getting that done. Okay, we also that's that's just the thing. It needed to be in reasonable driving distance for us so that we could you know, we wanted to enjoy it.

spk_0:   30:20
Yeah, um, it's really improve your quality of life. If you can enjoy it as well as have it as a going out location, I would have been squeamish about the money and certainly the time and effort if it was just in case of a situation so awful that we couldn't stay in our small town because that's a low probability event probably would not have been Ortho Jimmy,

spk_1:   30:43
but it's within a hat. Left arm. I got locations within 1/2 an hour drive of her work.

spk_0:   30:49
That's why do most of the work out there. It's closer to my work, and it is

spk_1:   30:52
yet where our home is about 45 50 minutes away.

spk_0:   30:58
But you want it close enough that you can go out there often and take care of it and be known at the place wherever your places, as well as be able to get there on a single tank. Gas in an emergency.

spk_1:   31:14
All right, That was one thing. It had to be on help, period into a discussion, or at least have high ground. I'm not buying a place. It's in a floodplain. I by heck I wouldn't mind if half the place was in a floodplain, just not the half I'm gonna live on because floodplains are very rich. I wanted a place that had a mixture of both open ground and what I wanted edges, uh, edges,

spk_0:   31:50
biologist, lower orders,

spk_1:   31:51
borders, air, the borders. I wanted borders.

spk_0:   31:53
That's where that's where most things living are attracted to.

spk_1:   31:58
And I preferred that it be on a a decent road. I mean, there are three together. They're three kinds of roads in north Missouri, there's paved roads, there's gravel roads, and there's those things that are laughingly called roads. They're made out of mud to me. If you If you're driving along in Missouri and you start to see grass in between where the wheels go on the track, it is time to stop danger because it's the road that means the end of the rial maintenance is done, and there's some roads around here that are just as a mud rose. You can, and these gravel roads could turn into mud roads like before, even know it.

spk_0:   32:53
Some of them depends on their bedding, but you can tell if you know gravel roads when you're right. Thing is, you don't know when you're gonna have to get out there, and it might be when the weather's bad. So being able to get out there even when the weather is bad, is a real thing, and Mars is on a paved road, but just barely. Yeah,

spk_1:   33:14
and also you need to be able to get there pretty much even in the worst of weather. We have a couple of issues with the place. If it's really flooding, it takes us down to a one route, which is way out of the way. You have to go an extra 40 miles to get there because, well, the bridges flood if it's flooding. But that's most of that's very rare. And the flood water doesn't stay up. Use a flash flood areas. It'll be up for six hours. That'll go down. So that's not that big a deal. So, yeah, we wanted enough acreage that we could have our enough room for us to spread out. I wanted somewhere between 25 50 acres, which is kind of a hard look because most places air sold by 40 around here, they're sold by 80 acres, 81 60. But there's a lot of people things there, huh? Do it up in the forties

spk_0:   34:23
so that we would find our feelings hurt if it was or but we could afford more. Right

spk_1:   34:28
price for acre is just just just how much we had. Um and we looked for a very, very long time. There were some other criteria. Try. Remember what they were.

spk_0:   34:39
We could be ableto build a pond on it. If it didn't have a good water supply, we would be able to put in a good water supply. That was way we

spk_1:   34:48
didn't want multiple neighbors living right on top of us.

spk_0:   34:52
We looked at zoning to make sure they would not be stupid about us doing what we need do. It's not really a problem up here, but it's worth thinking about.

spk_1:   35:04
We checked on codes building codes to make sure that we're buying in a county that doesn't have any l I know several of your head's just exploded. You're going What you want to buy in a place that doesn't have building codes. Why would you wanna do that? Good. We're putting in everything new. We're building it, but I don't wanna have an inspector in on my place every five minutes looking over my shoulder, I don't need that. Hi.

spk_0:   35:35
If you're going to be able to put in service is see how much it would cost to get the service is from where they currently are to where you want them to be.

spk_1:   35:45
Exactly. Exactly. We were having. This is one of the things that I talked about. This last podcast is one of things I made sure we did. We make sure that the water it does have real water going by city water. I made sure the water was on our side of the road because really expensive Jews,

spk_0:   36:04
roads with water lines,

spk_1:   36:05
right? Another thing that I absolutely was was a deal breaker for me. Were right aways. I want to own the road in and out of my place. I do. I would never buy a piece of property that depends upon her right away across somebody else's land. Absolutely not. That's a deal breaker for me. Because if trouble arises, what's the first thing that's gonna happen? They're gonna deny you access to your land.

spk_0:   36:41
That Gates. You're right.

spk_1:   36:43
No big fat gauge with a with a dude with a shotgun on the other side of it. Stay off my land. No, that's not. It has to have its own access. So these were some of the things that I consider now on a bigger, more macro picture. This was really, uh, thes other things I didn't really consider because they go without saying for us. If I were buying just a straight place to have to bug out in the woods for and I lived in, please coaster out on the West Coast place. I wouldn't be visiting often. I would do all of the things that we have just talked about, especially the zoning and the codes I would buy someplace west of the Mississippi River, because the population really thins out west of the Mississippi if you look at our population even here in rural north Missouri and compared to where we were just at western Illinois, western Illinois has counties 80 90 100,000 people, a small counties at 30,000 people, whereas in north Missouri, the small counties have 3000 people in the whole county. The last people you have to deal with grid down or Milwaukee situation the better,

spk_0:   38:26
especially if they're farming areas. They're used to produce more food than they use, so you're not gonna run two dishes very much,

spk_1:   38:33
and especially if you're not a local.

spk_0:   38:35
And there's a heck of a lot of people who know how to do things out here running do things other than shuffle papers. Oh, the one other consideration I'd want to put in it relates to the part woods part open. If you've never tried to grow things in the ground, trust me. You absolutely do not want to do that. Starting with Forrest.

spk_1:   38:59
No, you do not.

spk_0:   39:02
Because digging around roots is really hard. And you'd have to cut down a whole lot of trees. Get enough light to do something even if the soil is suitable. Think about your soil quality. Ours is pretty four. And that's kind of a downside of where we are. But it's also why it was affordable is not suitable for road cropping because it's two billion soils to four. But knowing that we can amend small patches and make it work for permaculture. But if all we had was the woods part of it, it would be very difficult to grow food That wasn't all us. Blackberries, black.

spk_1:   39:51
One of the thing. I remember that place we were looking at that we both really liked. Oh, please. Somebody later.

spk_0:   40:01
Uh, sorry. Is that the one on the almost possible route?

spk_1:   40:05
No, that was the one on that. Had the, uh, little woods had that little cabin there.

spk_0:   40:11
Oh, yes,

spk_1:   40:12
it was 30. 35 anchors.

spk_0:   40:15
It would have been a lovely,

spk_1:   40:16
beautiful spot. Gorgeous pa ga. Just spot

spk_0:   40:19
great hunting. But frankly, even great hunting. You shoot those 60 year and that you're hungry.

spk_1:   40:26
Yeah, but it was all Woods. I would love to have the property. Just have a bit of perfect vacation getaway spot. But I would not so much on. Ah, bug out type of case. Because good plant trees couldn't match fruit trees. Couldn't clench food for us. Uh, so it didn't work for us.

spk_0:   40:47
And lots of big trees released things from the roots that inhibit other plants. So, yeah, there, even if when you clear the stuff stuff, soil might not actually grow anything. Well,

spk_1:   41:01
if I were looking and if I had money, okay, I had money. I would look for one of two things. I would look for 10 to 30 acres with house already on it in a small community near a small. But keeping in mind that in and near a small community are two totally different things. If you're a mile outside of town, you're outside of town towns. Not gonna come out to help you,

spk_0:   41:33
but you're also not gonna burn down. Right?

spk_1:   41:37
So just keep that in mind. You will not have the protection of the rest of the town. Whereas if you live in the town, then you'll have the protection of the rest of town.

spk_0:   41:44
Oh, by the way, if you are planning on your book out, location is the woods and you're planning on living by hunting. May I humbly suggest you try that for one summer vacation and see how that goes because you Conover hunt an area in a hurry. If you're planning on living off your hunting, it's not realistic unless you're moving. That's why all the people who live strictly off hunting were nomadic.

spk_1:   42:12
You know, I always go is kill these guys. You think they're really, really good in the woods? Yeah. Most of you go or not. Okay, No offense to you, But most you are really not nearly as good as the woods is not you but listeners. But most guys who brag about how good they're in the woods just really part

spk_0:   42:31
foraging for wild foods. I enjoy doing that from time to die time. I've made a little bit of a hobby of it. You do not want your livelihood depend on that. Especially come October.

spk_1:   42:43
You don't want to try and feed your kids. I went February. Yeah, I just really don't you? That's just ridiculous. Try Plan B. Okay, You think you could go out there hunting fish all your there's this other one game even out here, where there's a lot of game, there's no that was game

spk_0:   42:59
and at least where we are. If you want a fish in the winter, you require chainsaw first. That's

spk_1:   43:05
right. You wanna hunt, you know you won't be hunting and shooting game. You're gonna shoot cattle. Seriously, that's what that's what's going on here.

spk_0:   43:13
And then the dude who owns cattle is going to shoot you,

spk_1:   43:16
right? So keep that in mind. There's one other thing that I wanted to recommend us to talk about is when you're looking and if you find someplace, if you decide you want to do this for some reason, like living if we had a let's do, uh, shoot, it's the van situation. Don't talk about logo location to anybody but people like us. Don't use that phrase. Don't use those words. It's always the far that's just the place or the vacation spot or the hunting lodge. It's a great

spk_0:   44:01
way to get that.

spk_1:   44:02
Yeah. Uh oh. You got someone? Because that way, you don't even have to hide it. You don't. Just don't tell me where it is.

spk_0:   44:09
Oh, we may like to retire out there. Or Snowbird there. Little your tire.

spk_1:   44:14
Yeah. Snowbird in the opposite of this is where we come with you. Yeah, To be perfectly clear. We know snow burning

spk_0:   44:22
Spring and fall is beautiful with Mr

spk_1:   44:25
That's right. So, yeah, um, Spring and fall is beautiful. Missouri Canada's great summer in the summer. Oh,

spk_0:   44:34
and then there's the other 11 months.

spk_1:   44:38
So you don't talk about your bug out location. Talk about, uh, you're hunting land or you're screwing up my fishing pond because you got to keep it into what the normals think is normal. Okay, if you say that everybody would go. Oh, yeah, that sounds cool. You like to fish? No. You know

spk_0:   45:02
otherwise one of two things happened. They think you're weird, which is usually armless, but could be socially annoying. Inconvenience or they think Oh, well, if I get into trouble, I know somebody who's got a hunting place. Right?

spk_1:   45:19
So yeah, It's one thing Thio. It's one thing to admit that you have, and that's no big deal. Just don't tell people where it is. We I think there's like a few of our friends have been there, but they're more our bar like minded type friends. Uh, one of our friends actually helped spice plants trees, but she's definitely

spk_0:   45:44
yes, she is. Welcome.

spk_1:   45:47
Yes, she is. Welcome to come. Absolutely.

spk_0:   45:49
She showed up on our doorstep after something dramatically bad World event it would be. Open the door. Come on in.

spk_1:   45:57
Dang right? I'd love to have her around. That's all the details

spk_0:   46:04
being our friend. You know, she's

spk_1:   46:06
very. He's

spk_0:   46:06
got skills,

spk_1:   46:07
she's got skills. You got mad, mad skills and lots of really big guns that she knows how to use. I guess we're going. Tim Taylor, the tool man. You're okay. So there's fewer thoughts on bug applications. Um, give any specific questions. Drop me. No, if you don't. Well, got me note. Anyway, if you like what you hear, please share the podcast with your friends and family.

spk_0:   46:40
Be well,

spk_1:   46:41
be well, Live. Well,

spk_0:   46:43
price out.

spk_1:   46:45
So, Theo, it's salty out. That's just really sounds weird. space out.

spk_0:   46:50
We'll get to pull out of solutions. Salt out. That's depths. How you get courage to form and cottage cheese, is it? It is. It's what does

spk_1:   47:05
that? What kind of cheese is so salty?

spk_0:   47:07
Yeah, I didn't

spk_1:   47:08
realize it's kind of She's what's really salting up. Until you mentioned it, then it really is. They give you a taste of salt that way. Uh, cheese curds, too.

spk_0:   47:16
Especially cheese curds.

spk_1:   47:17
O jungle.

spk_0:   47:19
They are. You

spk_1:   47:20
got cheese curds? Air could,

spk_0:   47:22
but you gotta be restraint.

spk_1:   47:25
I'm not Mom. Yeah, Or your head will explode. E g cheese Heard Kurt still and explode. All right.