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Hello, everybody.

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Hello, everybody. This is Spice says salty and welcome to the three B Y podcast This beautiful day. We're coming to you as usual. We're on the road. We're actually a little farther on the road than usual Are bringing the show to you from outside of the CB Paris General Merchandise Store. We have to be driving past the CVI fairest general merchandise store in a little town in a little state in a big country going to be talking about some things that have happened over the past year. And excuse me, we're on a gravel road, so hear this first part's gonna be a little little disjointed.

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Yes, Main Street in this town is gravel.

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Main Street. Yes, that means you, too. Tentative travel. And so we're in support in South Dakota. At the moment, we're in the middle of nowhere, and I do mean the middle of nowhere. But we're not in an important part of the country because we're not actually all that far from a place that well live in infamy in both American history. But it's also the topic of our podcast today. Might say what in the world does wounded knee South Dakota have to do with today. Well, we're going to tell you we're gonna tell you the story of what happened at Wounded Knee, in case you don't know. And even if you d'oh, we're just gonna use the wiki, which is widely edited and actually pretty accurate on it. Go tell part of the story about why preppers need to pay attention to wounded name and why it's important to understand what was going on at wounded knee, what your government did at wounded. And I know it wasn't your government. You weren't alive then, but it's still a lot of the same philosophies. So we're gonna tell you this story about the wounded knee massacre and make knows no steak about it. It wasn't really a battle, it was a massacre. And we're gonna tell you why it's relevant to you as a prepper today to pay attention to both history and in particular the way that this nation was born and built in blood. And I just cannot be Maur um, What's the word? I'm looking more emphatic. That is just is just beyond the scope of of doubt that it is important everybody realized that the United States, the country that you live in the country which proclaimed manifest destiny, was a country that was built in what it was built by taking stuff away from other people and killing.

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In case you don't remember that. What manifest destiny Waas It was the idea that Americans were divinely ordained. Thio have the whole of the continent which made it okay for us to just take it from whoever currently had it.

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Why is this relevant? But we're gonna come back to that. But I want to go ahead and hit it on the head. In case you don't listen to the whole podcast, it's relevant relevant today because all of the foundations of this government were built around taking things away from other people and killing them. Freedom was not freedom unless you were a particular set of people. If you were a black person, it was not freedom. If you were a native, it was not freedom. If you were a Chinese in regret, it was not freedom. If you were an Irish immigrant, it was not freedom, at least in large part. This is how the cup country was built and I'm not sitting here. My point is not to run down the United States of America. My point is not to bash the country we live in. My point is to educate people on the country we live in. So they realized that a lot of what they think they know most people is a total load of baloney. Okay.

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It is not as if it's unique to the United States government here. What we're talking about is governments come up with thes ideas and they decide that they have a right to certain things. And they write the rest of the story to support that narrative once they decide what is owed to them and what is right for them. The whole rest of the story gets looked at through that winds

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it most importantly, when they decide to take away the stuff of a certain group of people, whoever it happens to be this time they just do it and they will. They will do it with guns. They will do it with violence

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and they will give the guys the Congressional Medal of Honor and

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we're done it time and again and again right here. We don't have to look around the world to see it. Although if you want to do an investigation of what happened in the Philippines, that is one of most horrible things that the United States has ever done. Go ahead, do that on your own. But we've done that all over the world. But we did it right here. Two people who were ostensibly our own people, even though we didn't recognize the fact. So we're going to read you this. She's gonna read you excerpts from the Wiki armed Wounded knee, and I'm gonna interrupt her from time to time. We're gonna have a discussion point. Um, And then we're going to talk about how this relates to you in general and how this relates to particularly South Dakota, North Dakota, the West, which we're in right now, where we have to be driving through the West right at the moment. So go

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ahead and take it. The wounded knee massacre, also called the Battle of Wounded Knee, occurred on December 29 18 90 neared wounded Knee Creek on Lakota Pine Ridge Indian Reservation of the U S. State of South Dakota.

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Stop to take note. It didn't just happen anywhere. It happened on their own reservation on their land, in their home. The army came to their hope, agreed with by treaty came to their home. Remember that this is important. This is the lessons were gonna be learning from Moon didn't, eh? This wasn't they weren't out rating on somebody else's land. This was their home we're talking about

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Just This is just the short form of what happened at the massacre. And then we could talk a little bit about how they got to that point from there. The previous day, a detachment of U. S. Seventh Cavalry, commanded by Major Samuel um Whitson intercepted spotted L expand mini con Jew Lakota and 38 hunk Papa Lakota near Porcupine Butte and escorted them five miles westward to wound a D creek where they made camp. The remainder of the seventh Cavalry Regiment, led by Colonel James W. Forsyth, arrived and surrounded the encampment. The regiment was supported by a battery of four Hodgkiss mountain guns. And how big is the caliber? Ana Hodgkiss. Mountain gun?

spk_1:   8:12
I don't know, but it's called a two pounder. It's called a two pounder. What hot shell looks like. Okay, but The gun itself looks like a regular cannon like you see, but it's kind of got a really skinny barrel. But the shell is it's larger than a 20 millimeter shell. It looks to be, I'm looking. I'm not sure what the diameter is, but it looks to be about the size of a 30 millimeter show. So given the idea, the Hodgkiss gun shoots out. Ah, high explosive. Ah, shell. It's a two pounder. The shell looks like a just a giant bullet like you would see that came out of a 45 long cold. It's got a long, long brass shell. It's not bottlenecked like a not six shell. It's a straight shelve books, basically like a large pistol round, but it's it's pretty big. I mean, you know it's you're talking about now. Coincidentally, it's about the same size as what C H n Warthog can shoot like thousands of rounds of it a minute,

spk_0:   9:14
and roughly how many couldn't shoot a minute. They're not gigolos.

spk_1:   9:19
It's a brass. It's a brass belt.

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Fed isn't

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no. It's a breast, single shot reach, load cannon, I would say. Ah, good crew could probably shoot 15 to 20 minutes was artillery. Definitely artillery.

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Okay, so I got four These surrounding the camp on the morning camp. This is not a warrior camp. This is family. What do they have? About 250 men and about 100 and 50 women and Children,

spk_1:   9:49
including a lot of the men were old man, your warriors. They were, you know, the elder. This is their families.

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Yeah, and they were put in this camp by the cavalry the night before, and seventh Cab came in, set up these four Hodgkiss guns around them and surrounded him.

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Keep in mind also that, you know you hear about, okay, there's more men than women. Well, Chief in mind that the death rate among women was really high because of the child birth and things like that. Women did not little where nearly as long as both men, at this point in time in the west. So

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on the morning of December 29 the U. S. Cavalry troops went into the camp to disarm the Lakota. One version of events claims that during the process of disarming the Lakota, a deaf tribesman named Black Coyote was reluctant to give up his rifle claiming had paid a lot for it. A scuffle over the rifle ensued, causing several Lakota to draw their weapons and open fire on the cavalry regiment. Situation quickly devolved. Is both sides began firing indiscriminately.

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Okay, so

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of course, one of the sides have been mostly disarmed by this time.

spk_1:   10:54
Right? So they came into their house that came into the camp two. Take away their weapons to disarm them. All right. You with me. Any of this Sound familiar? Let's keep going.

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By the time the battle was over, more than 100 and 50 men, women and Children of the Lakota had been killed and 51 were wounded. Four men and 47 women and Children, some of whom later died. Some estimates place the number of dead 300 25 Army soldiers also died. Side note later on in the article, which would probably won't get to, it was suspected that most of those were friendly fire from the Hodgkiss guns.

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Can you check your way, please? Can't see through your head. Clear breaking a turn. It's all right.

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And 39 were wounded, six of whom later died. At least 20 soldiers were later awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. In 2000 won the National Congress of American Indians, passed two resolutions condemning the military awards and called on the U. S. Government to rescind them. The sight of the battlefield slash massacre has been designated National Historic Landmark by the U. S. Department of the Interior. In 1990 both houses of the U. S. Congress passed a resolution on the historical centennial formerly expressing deep regret for the massacre.

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Why? Why?

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Prelude? In the years leading up to the conflict, the U. S. Government had continued to seize Lakota lands. The once large bison herds and indigenous peoples great plains staple, had been hunted to near extinction by European settlers.

spk_1:   12:31
Hold that thought. Okay, we're We're very near wounded knee right now. Where? I mean, we're not like next door to it pretty far.

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South Dakota, where next door

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you can get there from here. We're driving on a highway. Okay, we're driving down a highway. We're in the Yeah. Everywhere is the middle of nowhere around here. It's kind of quote. Um, can you look out over out your windows and see what there is to see you you look out there.

spk_0:   13:00
It's a busy place in this particular spot. I see power lines

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right, which wouldn't have been there. What else? Using

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short grass. Prairie?

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Yes. What else do you see?

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It's divided at the moment in two big pastures for cattle. It's fenced,

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right? So you see cattle, right?

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Every now and then I see patches of cattle.

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Okay, they wouldn't have been there, either.

spk_0:   13:23
Down on the draws, there's some trees. Yes, and there's a whole lot of sky, and we're pretty much out of what I see occasionally now, very occasionally, there's a ranch house with some planted trees around. It

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wouldn't have been there

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a lot of the time. All I can see from horizon to Horizon, Short grass prairie draws with a few scrubby little trees in him and then some or short grass. Prairie in draws with a few trees in them.

spk_1:   13:57
Okay, now, here's my question. You're out here in this switch, and you could see herds of cattle off in the distance. I mean, we could see 10 15 miles from this rich.

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No, we can see 35 miles from this rich get

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you something you take away those cattle. You take away the buffalo, and that's what they did. They were pretty much gone by 9 80 90 I mean, the herds were wiped out. There were like they stopped bringing in buffalo. Hides in around 80 18 84. Because we've just gone. Okay, You're Lakota. What are you gonna eat? What is out here to eat? Absolutely not. This is the land you're on. This is your reservation is where you have to whip because they tell you you have to live here. You can't go anywhere else.

spk_0:   14:41
Like 85 to 90% of the Lakota Sze economy was buffalo when the buffalo had been hunted to extinction.

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What do you eat? What is there? Can you see anything out here to eat

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very little?

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This is the occasional prairie dog town. Yeah.

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You can't sustain a family on prairie dogs, though.

spk_1:   15:03
No, that's what That's my point. There

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aren't even any edible. There are a couple of edible things, but they're not. There's not enough of those plants that you could make a living off. The most of the vast majority of plant material that grows here is not suitable for

spk_1:   15:20
you at some point in time, we're gonna pull over. I gotta put me right on my tail. Look, I'm gonna pull over right here, so let me pull over. We're gonna take a picture. Well, actually, let that person get off my tail back out there, and she's going to take a picture with her phone. Can you reach your phone and somebody else's really shoot outside the window? We're gonna take me. I want you to see what it looks like out here. This is a busy place. I've got to. We've had two cars.

spk_0:   15:56
Yeah, of course. It's because we wanted to stop and do something.

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So anyway, we're gonna take a picture of what it looks like that, you know, you see fences. Okay, you guys, you power lines. But you got to realize in 18 90 these weren't there, you see? Oh, well, there's a herd of cattle in the background, but they weren't there. But I

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won't either. Where there were these little cattle ponds that we see around those air from dams,

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this person's past. Okay, I'm just gonna Well, you roll down the window and she's gonna take a picture of what? This place looks like I want you to understand what there is to eat. This is key, because you as a prepper, you know what it takes to feed a family. Okay, You understand what it takes to supply a family with food for a day, And this is what these people, This is the situation there stuck in. Okay, They've been run off their previous land. They've been killed often on. And now they're stuck on this property without the buffalo to eat.

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How are they supposed to survive? Well, I take up the story here. Treaty promises to protect the reservation lands from encroachment by settlers and gold Miners were not implemented as agreed and as a result of also a lot of supplies that were promised, we're not being delivered. As a result, there was unrest on the reservations. During this time. News spread among the reservations of a pilot prophet named Boca, founder of the Ghost Stance Religion. He had a vision that the Christian Messiah Jesus Christ had returned to earth in the form of a Native American. According to evoke a the Messiah would raise all the Native American believers above the earth during this time the white invaders would disappear from the native lands, the ancestors would lead them to good hunting grounds. The buffalo herds and the other animals would return in abundance, and the ghosts of their ancestors would return to the Earth. Hence the word ghost dance. They would then return to the earth to live in peace. All of us would be brought about by the performance of slow and solemn ghost stands performed as a shuffle in this silence to a slow, single drum beat. It is a four day dance, I believe. Go stands. The code ambassadors will evoke a kicking bear and short bowl talk the Lakota while performing go stance. They would wear the special ghost dance shirts as seen by black elk. A division kicking bear said the shirts had the power to repel bullets.

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Now, as the side we have seen recently in here, that's how they pronounce Pierre. Around here is Pierre. We have seen one of the ghost answers from was taken off a corpse at Wounded knee, and I can assure you it does not stop bullets because there's a bullet hole, right and, uh, little hole. Bloodstains was taken off a corpse.

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American settlers were alarmed by the side of the many Great Basin in plain strives performing the ghost stands. You should not have been there who are illegally on the land. Yeah, worried that it might be a prelude armed attack. Among them was a U S. Indian agent at Standing Rock Agency, where chief sitting bull lived. United States officials decided to take some of the chief's into custody in order to quell what they call the Messiah craze.

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In other words, they're going to randomly arrest them for their religious beliefs. Let's just be straightforward.

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Oh, not randomly. They're going for the power figures,

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you know? Yes, but you know, So they're being They're going out and arresting people in their own house for their religious beliefs

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because they think sometime, maybe in the future, even though it has nothing to do with the teachings of the religion, that it might cause violence. Okay, so that's where we are. The military first hope to have Buffalo Bill, a friend of Sitting Bull eight. In the plan to reduce the chance of violence. Standing rock agent James McLaughlin overrode the military and sent the Indian police to arrest Sitting bull. On December 15 18 90 40 Native American policemen arrived at Sitting Bull's house to arrest him. Crowds gathered in protest for shot was fired when Sitting Bull tried to pull away from his captors, killing the officer had been holding him.

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Arrest him for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

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Yeah, there was. This was well past. The whole freedom of religion was supposed to be well established, but not for you. After Sitting Bull's death, 200 members of a song Papa Band, fearful of Reprisals by skilled additional shots, were fired, resulting in the deaths of Sitting Bull, eight of his supporters, six policemen. After sitting Bull's death, 200 members of his hunk Papa band, fearful of Reprisals, fled standing rock to join chief spotted Elk, later known as Bigfoot in his mini Cons roll band that the Cheyenne Indian Reservation spotted Elk and his band along with 38 hunk. Papa left the Cheyenne River reservation on December 23rd to journey to the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation to seek shelter with Red Cloud Former Pine Ridge Indian agent Valentine T. McGillicuddy was asked his opinion the hostile surrounding the ghost dance movement by General lettered right to Colby, commander of the Nebraska National Guard. Here's an excerpt from that letter. As for the ghost stance, too much attention has been paid to it. It was only the symptom or surface indication of a deep rooted along existing difficulty as well. Treat the eruption of smallpox as the disease and ignore the constitutional disease. As regards disarming the Sioux. However desirable it may appear, I consider it either advisable nor practicable. I fear it will result in as the theoretical enforcement of Prohibition in Kansas, Iowa and Dakota. You'll succeed in disarming and keeping disarmed, uh, the friendly Indians because you can and you will not succeed with the mob element because you cannot

spk_1:   21:48
does any of that sound familiar to the gun grabbing thing. The people who are the lawful people will turn over their guns, whereas the people who are the criminals listen to me. People who stopped just repeats itself.

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If I were again to be an Indian agent and had my choice, I would take charge of 10,000 arms soo in preference to a like number of disarming ones and furthermore agree to handle that number or the whole Sioux nation without a white soldier. P. S. I neglected to state that up to date, there has been neither ASU outbreak or war. No citizen in Nebraska or Dakota has been killed, molested or control. A scratch of a pin and no property has been destroyed off the reservation. Here is a letter from General Miles. A telegram from him to Gen. General John Scofield in Washington, D. C. On December 19 18 90. This is summer 19 4 days before the massacre. I think it is, um the difficult Indian problem cannot be solved permanently. At this end of the line, it requires fulfillment of Congress of the treaty obligations that the Indians were in treated in course and signing. They signed away valuable portion of the reservation, and it is now occupied by white people for which they've received nothing. They understood that ample provision would made for their support. Instead, their supplies have been reduced, and much of the time they have been living on half of 2/3 rations. Their crops as well as crops, the white people for two years have been almost total failures. The dissatisfaction is widespread, especially among the Sioux, while the Cheyennes have been on the verge of starvation and were forced, commit deprivations, t sustain life. These facts are beyond question and the evidence is positive and sustained by thousands of witnesses.

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Okay, on the side. Because we're out here. Well, you know the land we have, we live in a rural area with farming country. This land is not farmable sustainably. There's just no way no does not happen. You're not growing crops out here, not where we are

spk_0:   23:43
even now with modern irrigation systems, they don't even try to crop the land that were driving three

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down. Do it. It's just the soils. Bad. The rain is not enough. There's no nutrients. It is a short grass prairie and that's all it's ever going to be.

spk_0:   24:02
And even though they get what? Something like 16 inches of rain totally year. Ah, lot of it comes in very short, hard outbursts and assumed You cut the side roads like a son of a gun.

spk_1:   24:14
You know, we're looking. I'm looking at a river right now. I'm not sure which one it is, but I'm looking. It doesn't matter. I'm looking to the river right now is we're coming down the hill, and that river is just absolutely choked full of run our, ah, choke full of sediments because the land here erodes so ridiculously

spk_0:   24:32
it looks like more of those milky coffee drinks from Starbucks than a river water

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right? The deal

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in Stasis

spk_1:   24:41
joke was that the Platte River was was too sinned or too thick to drink and too thin to plow. Well, that's what the rivers all look like around here because of the erosion issue, because nothing holds the same d credit soil back now we are looking. I do see a crop right next to us now of sunflowers. Sunflowers will grow here, but but

spk_0:   25:01
it's only in the river bottom, and they're irrigating it from the river.

spk_1:   25:08
Wanted beehives, too. There is huge and beehives.

spk_0:   25:13
The short grass prairie grows a lot of wildflowers, naturally.

spk_1:   25:17
So, yeah, it's a big honey region here in South Dakota, North Dakota, to

spk_0:   25:22
okay, we want to hear all the stuff about the fight and ensuing mass.

spk_1:   25:25
Absolutely. After

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being called on, the Pine Ridge agency spotted elk and the mini con Jew Lakota and 350 of his followers were making a slow trip to the agency on December 28 18 90 when they were met by the seventh Cavalry detachment, or major Samuel M. Whitson, south of Southwest Porcupine Butte. John Shang Grow, a scout interpreter who's Half Sioux, advised the troopers not to disarm the Indians immediately is it would lead the violence. The troopers escorted the Native Americans about five miles westward to wounded Knee Creek, where they told him to make camp. Later that evening, Colonel James W. Forsyth and the rest of the seventh Cavalry arrived, bringing numbers of troopers at wounded Knee to 500. In contrast, there were 350 Lakota 230 men and 120 women and Children. The troopers surrounded Spotted Oaks encampment and set up four rapid fire. Hodgkiss designed M 18 75 mountain guns at daybreak on December 29 18 94 cents ordered the surrender of weapons and the immediately removal of the Lakota from the zone of military operations, which, by the way, was the reservation land to a waiting trains. A search of the camp confiscated 38 rifles and more rifles were taken. Is this soldier search the Indians? None of the old men were found to be armed. A medicine man named Yellow Bird, allegedly Harang. The young men, who are becoming agitated by the search of the tension, spread its soldiers specific details. What triggered the massacre debated, according to some accounts.

spk_1:   26:58
See, that's our GPS was sliding off the dashboard, Uh,

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According to some accounts, Yellow Bird began to performed the ghost stance, telling Lakota that there go shirts were bulletproof. As tensions mounted, Black Coyote refused to give up his rifle. He was deaf and had not understood the order. Another Indian said. Black Coyote is deaf. Black Coyote did not speak English. When the soldier persisted, he said, Stop! He cannot hear your orders at that moment to soldiers seized black coyote from behind and allegedly in the struggle. His rifle discharged at the same moment. Yellow bird through some dust into the air and approximately five at young Lakota men with concealed weapons through aside their blankets and fired their rifles. A troop K of the seventh. After this initial exchange, the firing became indiscriminate. According to commanding General Nelson A Miles, a scuffle occurred between one warrior who had a rifle in his hand of two soldiers. The rival is discharged. A battle occurred. Not only the warriors but sick chief spotted elk and a large number of women and Children who tried to escape by running and scattering over the prairie were hunted down and killed. At first, all firing was a close range, but the Indian men were killed or wounded before they had a chance to get off any shots. Some of the Indians grabbed rifles from the piles of confiscated weapons and open fire on the soldiers with no cover and many of the Indians unarmed. That lasted a few minutes at most, while the Indian warriors and soldiers were shooting at close range. Other soldiers used Hodgkiss guns against the TB camp, full of women and Children.

spk_1:   28:32
No bloods to stop right there. I want you to really think about this from upon a hill shooting down into a riverside camp full of women and Children with cannons. High explosive shells. Your tax dollars are text work. Really, It's your tax dollars at work. We get coffee, she took a drink and it went down the wrong to you Every day that kind of stinks, don't it? Oh, here's a hint We're driving through South Dakota in North Dakota. Um, keep your gas tank full, just letting you know

spk_0:   29:22
and have spare water on hand

spk_1:   29:24
spare water in a week. We'll talk about that in our things. We learned from this trip podcast that we're gonna d'oh!

spk_0:   29:32
Probably on the way home.

spk_1:   29:33
But yes, we did. We did actually give out some spare water to people who had locked themselves out of their car in a very, very rural area. So but then help coming. But it was gonna be a couple hours before they were there, so we gave up enough water to be comfortable.

spk_0:   29:52
It is believed that many of the soldiers were victims of friendly fire from their own hajis guns. The Indian women and Children fled the camps seeking shelter in nearby ravine. From the crossfire, the officers have lost all control of their men. Some of the soldiers fanned out and finished off the wounded. Others leapt onto their horses and pursued the Indians, men, women and Children in some cases for miles across the prairie. In less than an hour, at least 100 50 Lakota had been killed and 50 wounded. Historian Dee Brown Bury my heart at Wounded Knee mentions an estimated 300 of the original 350 having been killed and wounded. And that soldier's loaded. 51 Survivor's four men and 47 women and Children on the wagons and took them to Pine Ridge Reservation. Army casualties number 25 dead, 39 wounded.

spk_1:   30:37
But again, friendly fire was Haskin. Definitely. I mean, it's like hand grenades blowing up around you here. Shell fragments are going everywhere, so

spk_0:   30:49
I'm just going to summarize this part in the aftermath, the commanding general, the guy in charge of the seventh Cab, among other units, came and checked the place out. He removed the, uh, colonel forces from command for having allowed the massacre. But a court of inquiry later said, um, no. He was a little careless with the friendly fire thing, but other than that, no problem. They reinstated him. Foresight ended up being a general. They ended up handing out a bunch of congressional Medal of Honor medals of honor to the soldiers who had been standing around shooting these people with conscious guns. Yeah.

spk_1:   31:33
Okay. So what are your takeaways from this? Well, you can surely tell what you take with our first of all, um, most of what they teach in school history is complete. B s just come out and say it as somebody who it's just spend it spits all spent

spk_0:   31:54
selected fax spun to suit the narrative

spk_1:   32:00
by people who make money off of the narrative by people gain power off the narrative.

spk_0:   32:12
Thio paraphrase a news report from the time that I read here a little further on, the editor of the newspaper was saying, Well, we did some horrible and evil things to these Indians and, uh, now they're never going to be satisfied. They called them untamable, and the only thing we could really do to keep ourselves in our soldiers safe our settlers and soldiers safe is to go ahead and exterminate the rest of them. Do you just add one more evil act to those who have already done? And then the settlers and the soldiers will be safe. So let's do that.

spk_1:   32:52
Yeah, that's coincidental. That editor was the guy who wrote The Wizard of Oz. Yeah, so they're off to see who's behind the curtain. Ah, that would be the murderess. The

spk_0:   33:04
wicked witch of the West really wasin this story?

spk_1:   33:07
No. Okay. You know.

spk_0:   33:09
Yeah. So the deal is they decided that Oh, it's good for we in power. Do you take this stuff and never mind all these promises and assurances and rights and Constitution and all that little stuff. We've decided that we want the stuff. So we're gonna go ahead and do it. And if people get in our way, those people just get slaughtered, and then we'll break out the whitewash afterward. Because it's a lot easier to say. I'm sorry than ask permission, right?

spk_1:   33:47
Yeah. This kind of stuff. It doesn't happen anywhere. You know, this is Old West kind of stuff. It doesn't happen anymore. Doesn't Ruby Ridge wake up? Yeah, it does yet us. And? And who writes who writes the narrative, who writes the story else? The people in power, people who gain from it. So I think everybody would be well advised to take your lesson from wounded knee Basic. Your your Your lesson is yeah, it's all well and good when you're in the people with the power part of it. But when and if that changes, if you become into the minority, become you become the oppressed, It stinks. So one of the reason we need to make sure that we fight oppression in our own country in our own government is because it's wrong. No, we don't. We're not talking politics. We're not gonna talk politics. It's just not what we do here. But I will tell you, we will talk a little bit about philosophy. And this is something that spice and I 100% 100% agree on 200% 500. The ends never, ever justify the means. It is a morally reprehensible way of looking at things.

spk_0:   35:28
Ladies and gents. None of us is ever gonna get out of this life alive anyway. Try So it matters how we behave and how we allow others to behave in our behalf.

spk_1:   35:43
Now you may. We're not talking about religion either, because I thought what we do, we don't do that. There's plenty of other things that you can do to talk about religion. But I want you just mentioned it in passing. You may or you may not believe in God you may, or you may not believe in the God of the Face that we were raised in. It doesn't matter to me what you're personal beliefs are that's your venture thing. Okay, But what matters is when I hear all of these, all of these concepts coming out of all of these various different religions that people who profess to believe in them start parsing so that they could do whatever it is they want to do in the name of their religion. Even that has nothing to do with what their religion actually says or stands for. I have to take pause.

spk_0:   36:51
Yeah, somebody there was ignoring the whole thou shalt not kill slash Thou shalt not do murder thing. I've got a lot of the seventh cab guys were considered themselves to be Christians, but they

spk_1:   37:06
Yeah, that's not really what you'd call a Christian act apart, and a good part of it is. And we see this today. A good part of this is the whole ah, dehumanizing of other people. Okay, Hitler use it with the juice, all right? It will use it with the juicy dehumanize them. He made people not think of them as other human being so that they could do the sorts of horrible things that they did to those people, Stalin did the same thing.

spk_0:   37:40
You may sneer at the whole political correctness thing where they try and convince you not to call people names, but that's the rial heart of the reason why some of us I'll put myself in this camp don't want people calling names because it is a

spk_1:   37:57
tool used to

spk_0:   37:59
dehumanize so that it makes it OK in your mind set to do evil things

spk_1:   38:07
right? The

spk_0:   38:08
guy in the newspaper calls, um, untamable. What he's really saying is, Hey, we don't talk about taming people. We talk about taming animals, and if I column untamable, that must mean in my mind they're not really people. So the fact that I just said that we should go out and slaughter of all for our own convenience and gain that makes it better

spk_1:   38:32
words, words do have meaning. They really do. I promise you they have a lot of meetings and let's listen to what people are saying. Listen, listen to the words and you here, especially when people start talking about people who are of a different faith or of a different I'm gonna I'm I'm taking a picture of a church goes, goes along with this perfectly. It's a it's a little fairy Indian church that is exported up. Yeah, it just happens to be in a place that has this classical Christian church

spk_0:   39:09
design, but it's not only got the crosses on it, it's

spk_1:   39:14
got a bunch of native symbols painted on it. So this is actually, but it's all boarded up and falling apart. So it's perfect. Yeah, for this conversation again, we're not talking about well, what you believe with me, whether what you believe in what we believe is right or wrong or whatever. That's that's not the scope of this. But what we are saying is, you know when you hear the derogatory terms, you hear about what? Whichever religion realize that other people are using the same words about you to dehumanize you, to make it okay to kill you.

spk_0:   39:52
And if you don't like it when they do it, why the heck are you doing it to them and try to make it better?

spk_1:   39:57
People, people are just way gotta stop that, or at least personally, right here in our own Selves, our own heart. We have to stop that. We have to not let that be within ourselves to actually be able to be good preppers because you can't truly take care of yourself if your heart is filled with hate because prepping is about, Is it about hate? It's not about selfishness, it's about safety and protection, and you don't get that that way. Okay, that's that's a CE faras. I get a little I'm get a little off the reservation. So again, the point of this broadcast is not to broadcast. The point of spot gets is not to Bashar. We're not trying to bash the United States. It is what it is.

spk_0:   41:01
It's governments in general, do these things people in general tend to do. These things are, but it doesn't make things better. When they do it, it causes more strife.

spk_1:   41:12
And when we pretend that we're not as guilty as just about just about, there's a lot

spk_0:   41:20
Oh, yeah,

spk_1:   41:20
but we've got our share. I mean, we keep doing this. Stop people, we keep doing it. We're doing it today. We're doing it all over the world, and we're gonna have another problem podcast down the road about blowback, because it's important that people understand what blowback is and why we need to do something about it, because it affects both of us personally. Ian's preppers and as a nation, and we just need to deal with, stop putting ourselves into situations where we create blowback.

spk_0:   41:55
Starting fights, for whatever reason increases the need for prepping rather than decreases it. And the best way to be fully prepped for a situation is to not have to need preps. Have things sail along smoothly with everybody. Of course, like never is gonna go that way. But the more fights you start, the more perhaps you end up needing just what it is.

spk_1:   42:18
The question is, today it's world. The more power you give to the outside influences, the more power we give to the government. The more likely we are, the

spk_0:   42:30
more you let anybody lead you into hate. I don't care if it's

spk_1:   42:32
gone, but the more power my my point is, the more power we give your government more power we give to certain individuals, the more likely we are as people to end up go stamps on her own ghost for our own time, our own purposes. We're gonna end up, we can end up in the same way that we look around here right now. Okay, we're on our own. We're on an Indian reservation right now. This is a reservation. Um, you know all the houses around here now, where we're driving, we're government built. Most of them are boarded up little two story houses. There's one to my lab to support it up. Well, it's not a subdivision we just passed, okay? That most of our, uh the subject is we just passed. Half of the half the houses were boarded up. That would have boards on the window right there. You know this. This is no way to live. You know, when you're living off the dole, living off the brew, This is what we did to these people as a nation. And this is what government largesse living off the dole does to people it humanizes.

spk_0:   43:49
We all have a lot of different labels that apply to us, and sooner or later symptoms, they're gonna take up the cause against one of the labels that fits you. It's not always gonna be the other guy.

spk_1:   44:03
And I

spk_0:   44:04
mean, I wear a couple labels that have been targeted in the historical past.

spk_1:   44:08
Are you two? You know, we we I've lived in the country, not this country. I've lived in the country where I've been with people who were our family's religion were 5% of the population. And this is Japan. It's time. This is a country that I mean, you talk about a country that got a little bit Nazi other on there. They

spk_0:   44:35
knew howto work up some hate against

spk_1:   44:36
foreigners. They did? Yeah, they went a little. They wouldn't well, off the deep end. And how that work

spk_0:   44:40
out for, Really? How do you work

spk_1:   44:43
out? That's right. So yeah. Anyway, just grist for your mill. We thank you for Thank you for listening. So right now, we we worked our way onto the Rose Bud Lakota reservation, which is actually much or, uh, economically. Sound that a lot of reservations we've been on. And so from Lakota land, we send you the West Lessons of Wounded Knee. We encourage you to look it up in the history of it. Look at the history of the seventh Cab and try Try to get really history. Don't get the stuff you learned in school. You know, Buster movies are ridiculous.

spk_0:   45:26
Just please remember we're all people. That's my message today.

spk_1:   45:30
We're all people, every one of us, whether whether you like him or not because of whatever it is not for people. And once you dehumanize, they own you. That is their way of having power over you, the p m hours, a day when you'd start to humanizing other human beings. You are not you. You become a tool. Think about that. Your tool. Whose tool are you upto annoying?

spk_0:   46:00
You're the tool of people who are gaining the profit from persecuting the out groups.

spk_1:   46:07
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spk_0:   46:58
Be well,

spk_1:   46:59
you guys out.