Spice  0:00  
Hello, everybody.

Salty  0:02  
Hello everybody and welcome to the show the big show the most important and critically acclaimed podcast that is recorded in one of our vehicles and today we're recording in the big, white, gigantic size of a whale van. That's called the stealth fan. Don't blame us it's like written on the side Rams stealth.

Spice  0:25  
It says so in letters as big as my hand so it must be true.

Salty  0:29  
I must be very stealthy. Although we were parked at the at the discount warehouse store earlier today and it was really easy to glance across the park. Oh, there we are. There's no missing where you but this thing. Anyway, welcome to the show the big show today we're gonna talk about something near and dear to some people's hearts, not necessarily mine. snobbery, especially in the case of firearms snobbery.

Spice  0:59  
They don't consider it that of course.

Salty  1:01  
No, but it is and I I've always found it an interesting facet of our human adventure to see people being snobbish about inanimate objects, especially ones they don't even own. I think it's, it's something there's something about it. That is intriguing an integral thing in human nature, about wanting to put down or disrespect something that is different than the choice you made. Um, I'm not just the generic, you know, any person in particular, you know, the, there's a, there's maybe a desire to uplift yourself by putting other people down. And again, this is a generic view. I think a lot of that is where we get snobbery from. I may be wrong, but I am not. A gun snob. I'm not a snob in virtually any way that I can think of I'm sure there's a couple of things I'm snobby about but there's very few. And usually there's a very good reason I'm somewhat picky. in a lot of areas. There's a huge difference between picky and snobbery. I could piggie for example. I make some really good. I would think you would call it really good. Baked brussel sprouts. That's true. But I hate brussels sprouts. I make them very well. So remember, this is not snobbery. This is pickiness. There's a difference. There you go. snobbery would be me saying oh brussel sprouts, that's hog food. Eat that. That would be snobbery. So I wanted to talk a bit about snobbery. There's not a this is not a podcast that really has any social redeeming value whatsoever. It's just something I thought would be interesting to talk about. Oh, goodness, I've been coughing all day. I'm not got the COVID it's just been

Unknown Speaker  3:07  
or the allergy

Salty  3:08  
or the allergies. Just took the allergy pills just a few minutes ago. You know, I mean, is it's not a core subject to us, but I just thought it would be fun. So gun snobbery. What did you think when I use if you're a gun person, when I say the words hi point, firearms. Some of you out there kind of gonna nod your head and go Okay, yeah. Some of you will be going. Hell, not my cup of tea. But I suppose if you didn't have any more money, some of you will be crossing your fingers in front of you. As if I had just talked started talking about Dracula invading your house. And going No, no evil, evil, wrong wrong. Get away from me Get away from me. And the truth is none of the above all of the above. There is no truth. It's a company. They've been in business for many years. They've made a lot of firearms. They sold a lot of firearms. And frankly, most of them are still fully functional and working. So there you have it. The gun snobs out there. Love nothing better to them to go on the internet and ramble on and on and on about the evils of guns like those put out by highpoint and interestingly, the true snobby list of the snobs have never actually shot a high point. They've never owned, obviously, a high point.

Spice  4:56  
They wouldn't.

Salty  4:57  
Well, they wouldn't because they're snobs. Now, truth in advertising I have owned and you can read my my reviews on several of the high points that I've owned in on eBay. I've owned several fact. I think maybe the best gun review I've ever written in my life is on the high point. firearms, nine millimeter Carvey. I think that's the best gun review I've ever written. And I encourage you to go read that. Because it's a very interesting firearm for what it is. It is undoubtedly, an accurate, reliable, inexpensive gun. And I just pretty much defy anybody to argue against that because it just is an accurate, reliable, inexpensive firearm. Having said that, it is one a high point firearm, too, it does have some serious drawbacks. And three, it's the single ugliest gun that's been invented. It's ugly. Keeping the podcast PG rated, it's fugly. I mean, it is. It's plain. It's just bad. But there is one redeeming value to its ugliness. The current generation, excuse me, again, has the solid distinction of being a lot less ugly than the first generation was.

Spice  6:50  
Well, there you go. They had nowhere to go but up.

Salty  6:52  
Oh my goodness, the first generation was commonly called the Planet of the Apes can begin to look just like the Gov they used the Planet of the Apes. It was not an attractive firearm. But when you pull back the charging handle, you aim it and you fire it. The gun goes bang, every single time. And the bullets rip one big hole in the paper because they go on target every single time. So you know, there's that gun snobs just dismiss it as junk that just jumped.

Spice  7:40  
The gun stops remind me of a trip we once made to a mountain biking trail. We got there to this mountain biking trail took our rather battle battered old bikes off the back of the car. Good bikes, but big been used. There were some guys there in fancy team gear, beautiful expensive mountain bikes, gorgeous tops of their cars. And they were hanging out up outside by their cars, pointing out things on their bikes and talking about their bikes with each other. So we we pulled our bikes off we went, we rode we rode hour and a half, two hours later we come back, start loading the bikes back up on the back of the car to go home.

Salty  8:26  
This geysers, this kind of a muddy day. So you know, we were kind of muddy,

Spice  8:31  
these guys are still there in the same spot. The bikes are still sparkling clean. All that fancy bright team gear is still sparkling clean. And they're still talking about the various merits of their bikes, and how they're superior to the other things they chose not to get. I mean, it's one thing to love what you got. It's another thing to just take what you can afford and be okay with that. But at least she thing things well, you at least use them what they're meant to be used for spend more time using them than running your mouth about them is my suggestion.

Salty  9:14  
I I'm all in there. I'm a car guy. I'm another passion car. I love cars. But, you know, I'm a car guy to a point. I'm a car guy for cars that you could just take out and run the living snot out of Oh, I mean, run the things I'm talking about. Blow the tires off the back. I'm talking, you know, do all kinds of ridiculous stuff with them. I'm not a kind of guy who looks at a beautiful gorgeous million dollar Bugatti or McLaren that I know won't get 10,000 miles of worth of drive. In his entire lifetime and the snobby car guys are all about these McLaren's and Bugatti is Oh, it can do this. No, I can do that. Well, yeah. Okay, that's great. But let's take that McLaren out. And I'll run it against my 2006 Mustang GT. And I hope it's ask because I'm going to be the only person in the lane running. You ain't gonna come out there with that McLaren and run me. Why? Because you're a car snob, and I'm not besides the Mustang in a decent shot of that McLaren in a quarter mile. Yeah. It's not stuck. It's a supercharged I don't even want to get into it. But that's the difference. You know, there's guys out there. And I've got a friend of mine, he posted a picture last night of a Ferrari that some guy had made into a limousine it was on at one of those auctions converted a late 80s Ferrari into a limousine and he asked what do you think you think this was a dictator that been overthrown scar or you think it was just some guys project? And I responded to absolutely some guys project and it was some guys project because dictators who are overthrown actually use their limousines. And nobody who has a late 80s Ferrari does anything. But look at that car as the growing pool of oil and coolant creeps out slowly from under the motor, because that's all you can do with one. But yet people will all Ferrari, Ferrari Ferrari. They can't even drive to the grocery store and the thing without fouling the plugs. Come on. Guns are the same way as Yeah, I don't like snobs and mostly, but gun snobs. It really drives me nuts. You know, the the, the high points are a perfect example. But they're not the only example.

Spice  12:21  
Actually, one thing that I see a lot is people looking down their noses at anything less than a 44 Magnum caliber or something like that. Yeah, because they don't have enough stopping power. Like, you know, honestly, the only situation I see myself actually shooting somebody is they're coming for me. I don't have to shoot through steel doors. To defend myself. I just have to keep soft, squishy people who are bigger than stronger than me from being violent against me. So yeah, I'm gonna use a little Glock nine millimeter that is easy to handle and pleasant to practice with, and easy to clean. So I'll actually shoot the dang thing. And if I ever do need it in dead, Ernest, it will go bang. And that's what I need.

Salty  13:18  
But I got to 15 times.

Spice  13:20  
Yeah, I'm a small woman with I sometimes have to get custom bands for my watches. Because standard size bands for unisex watches are bigger than my wrists are. I don't need to be shooting a 40 for anything.

Salty  13:34  
No, but a polymer nine millimeter is just what the doctor ordered. Now, we're we were a little snobby at some point in time when people try to. But that's not really more snobby. It's more just a, you hit a limit. I think that if you we both think that if you go with anything really for self defense less than 380 you're really just not choosing the best horse to ride. Because there is there is a point in time when when the impact of the bullet really isn't enough. But certainly a 380 is especially a soft defense round and certainly a nine millimeter is when you start getting into the 32 ACP. You know, there'll be a lot of people, a lot of a lot of politicians over the years who have been ended by a 32 ACP I'm not positive. But if I recall correctly, World War One was started by a 32 ACP. I do believe that that is what the Serbian assassin us have to check that for sure. I'm bringing

Spice  14:53  
out that he was a model of efficiency.

Salty  14:56  
Nobody got the job done. He didn't kill two people with a thing. Anyway,

Spice  15:04  
there's a difference. There's a difference defining what the real characteristics needed to do the job are and wanting to hit that bar and then raising the bar even higher because it looks cooler when you jump over it

Salty  15:18  
right now debating between a 44 Magnum a 45 and a 357 Magnum as to which Yeah, that's just sure that's fun. Everybody likes to do that kind of stuff. But could try and compare something like that to self defense for like a 22. No. There's a whole is a different scale, but that's not snobbery saying a 22. bad choice for a self defense handgun. That's not snobbery. That's not what we're talking about. Because we're not saying no, that Ruger LCR 22 is a bad choice, because it's a Ruger LCR. No, that's that's not what we're saying. It's the 22 is a bad, a bad choice. And that's just simply because it's a room fire. Room fire is just not as reliable. So stuff like that, that what we're dealing with. What we're talking about, though, is like, I have several guns, that I fire regularly that I like that other people would stick their nose up. I have high point. I've had several sea nines over the years I have one now it's never been fired. I'm not really sure why I keep it it's, I don't know, I'm not really sure why I bought it. But

Spice  16:32  
neither.

Salty  16:38  
I've got a gun. I haven't got guns that that I love that our people will just bash because they've read bad reviews on it or somebody had a bad issue with it over the internet, you know. And then I have guns that you know, I hate that other people love. I've got a Caltech fan. I've got one Caltech and it's it's okay. But every other Celtic I've ever had I've ever been happy with. And it's not that I'm a snob against Caltech is just I just not had good luck with them ran. pF nine is a perfect example of a gun that I would never own another one up and there's nothing wrong with the gun. It just didn't work. For me. The pf nine is a firearm that I would fire. It's a little nine millimeter pocket gun and the gun would fire. It would shoot accurately. The bullet would trake chase exactly where I was aiming it. The recoil was handleable it was very uncomfortable. But most of those really small nine millimeters, you're not going to have it's not a comfortable gun to shoot. But this one had a quirk that I just was a non starter for me. When I gripped the thing, and I squeezed it to fire my thumb where it came to rest of the natural firing position. Always hit the magazine release. So I'd shoot the gun and every time I'd shoot it, the magazine would drop free.

Spice  18:20  
That's not a good operational feature. No. But in somebody else's hands it

Salty  18:27  
didn't hold the gun the same way. It's fine. Now interesting. Who was that gun? There's a lot of people who have that problem. I happen to be one of them. She never did know. It. herpin fine and fine. Shouldn't like the gun because she liked a fierce recoil. Which you know, that's fine. She just doesn't like that style of gun that's really small nine millimeter. Yeah, that's fine. She likes she actually likes a full size gun. She's she likes her Glock 19

Spice  18:55  
there's a difference between snobbery and

Salty  18:57  
preferences. And when she shoots a 22 she shoots a the full size m&p 22 because it just fits her hand better. Whereas when I shoot a 22 I'll shoot the Taurus while people hate Taurus but off the top of the head. And she Taurus tx 22 whatever, whatever the newer one is, I forget the number off the top my head you know sometimes I buy guns just to just to play with them. Especially if they're cheap. I recently bought almost

Spice  19:29  
always to be honest with you.

Salty  19:31  
There's nothing cheap

Spice  19:32  
that know that play with them.

Salty  19:36  
Oh, I haven't

Spice  19:38  
been met.

Salty  19:39  
I've bought a gun in a long time. That's true. Like, one this year.

Spice  19:45  
I'm not criticizing it. Sorry. I'm just saying that I bought Yep.

Salty  19:51  
But anyway, I'm paring down the motion collection a little bit. It was getting to be More than three gun cases, well, that's getting to be a lot. But anyway, I bought a sky, which is an American made, very inexpensive, comes in all kinds of really cool colors. I bought it in a really cool color. I'll do a gun review of it, once I've shot enough rounds through it to make sure it's actually working this time. Yeah, actually working this time. Yeah, that's guys going back to the factory. And they replaced a whole bunch of it. What do you get a gun. And the first thing that happens is you start getting failures to fire and jams of various different variety. She knows something isn't right. I mean, are you you shot that guy, you could not get three rounds, three rounds in a row out of it. So it was something wrong with the guy. I just got it back. But a lot of people hate that gun for a particular reason. And he's got a quirk. And the quirk is when you pull the trigger. Because it's a it's a single action, you pull the trigger. Like double action. It's the one where you pull the trigger and it goes bang, I was getting those messed up. You pull the trigger back, it goes back. But the reset of the thing is so long it basically reset it all the way back to the full extent of the trigger, they should have fixed that they should be it should be a half pole reset, but that's my one complaint with the gun so far other than I had to send back in the shot.

Spice  21:33  
I don't like those because they impair my accuracy. My fingers aren't very long and I have to shift my hand a little bit often on those two.

Salty  21:40  
Yeah, it's not the world's lightest trigger but although I find it interesting when I measured the trigger point when I got back from the factory I'm the trigger pole was with from 15 pounds to nine.

Spice  21:53  
Well, it had a new trigger group.

Salty  21:55  
Yeah. But I mean they really whatever they did, they lightened up the trigger pole way a whole lot. I think 15 is a lot anywho but that's a that's the sky. A lot of people hate the gun without ever having fired it just simply because it's cheap. So you know, gun stops. Anyway, that's just it just this was just head about, hey, well, you know, whatever. I've said pretty much what I want to say about gun stop. So anything you want to add

Spice  22:27  
your mountain bikes work better if you get them off the top of your car,

Salty  22:29  
and he goes work better you shoot them. There you are. Bye bye.

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