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Hello, everybody.

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Hello, everybody. And I'm talking to you on the road in front of a truck that looks like the front end of this thing. Looks like it comes from Stephen King. That moving maximum overdrive. Look at the grill of that thing behind us. It looks like a big opening. Yeah, that's what he wants to welcome to the show. The Big show. The most important and critically acclaimed podcast that is recorded in our car. And here we are traveling where trundling down the road. We're on I 70 at the moment, one of our nation's great arteries. And we are

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Maybe it's a limp vessel

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limp freaks me out ever since I watched a movie. Uh um, the one where you go to the inside of the body.

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Yeah, the miniature. There it is.

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Yeah, with Bloomberg, quipped Raquel Welch in it. Yeah, well, they miniaturized the sub and put it inside the human, and they almost all got sucked down the length nodes. I know I've always had trouble ever since I watched that. Maybe I've had trouble with the lymphatic system.

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Then flow is important because it's an important aspect of your immune system.

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I know what It's scary freaky.

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And Dr Andrew Taylor still realized that back in the 18 seventies

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Dr. Andrew Taylor still still. Come on. Now that's you're pulling that. You're pulling that out. Your hat, aren't you?

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I am pulling that. Atta Kirksville, Missouri, the birthplace of osteopathic medicine.

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Okay, in north Missouri. I'll tell you what. In North Missouri, we may not know much, but we know what an osteopathic doctor is. There's no question about effect. Kirksville, Missouri One of the mean drags in town has a street name called osteopathy. What is why are we talking about this on the free B Y the this prepping podcast? What it one of the world has a type of a rather obscure type of medicine got to do with prepping. Well, listen on, and we'll tell you because it actually does.

spk_0:   2:20
The mindset of modern osteopathy is very compatible with proper needs and proper living. First, For those of you who don't live in North Missouri, let me give you the short form. Here, osteopathic physicians are full on medical physicians. They're licensed to practice, just like, uh, other medical doctors in the U. S. They want Dr drugs. They can specialize and become surgeons or whatever kind of specialty they want to specialize in. Although because of their philosophical bent, they have a higher percentage of people who go into primary care and my family, medicine and internal medicine and a relatively lower proportion that go into Thea very much body mechanic kind of specialties like, oh, neurosurgery and cardiac surgery and the extremely drug intensive oncology stuff like that.

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Now you will see Ah, lot of osteopaths that go into obstetrics and you will see a lot of osteopaths in sports medicine. Yeah, awesome at that sports medicine people, They're great. Now you think? Well, osteopaths, how would I know my doctors on Austin Pepe One way you could know is by asking him or getting reading his cargo. The office. If you see M. D has not a nausea path, he's a medical doctor. If you see de oh however,

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that stands for Doctor of Osteopathy

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Dr Auster and it has the same Some empties a cringe when I said it has the same exact level of education. Yes, it is actual medical school. You go to medical school. It is a medical school. Is a certified. They're certified medical schools and there, but they're just they have a different focus, and that focus is part of the reason we're bringing us up.

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And they have one additional treatment modality that is not common among medical doctors and that treatment modality is also one of the reasons we thought to put it in a prepping podcast,

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l two. To be fair, we will have to say we are osteopathy converts because we I mean, if you're in north Missouri, there's a very good chance your doctor is an austere path. It's just because they're This is the home of osteopathy. It was invented here, was invented in Kirksville by Andrew Taylor. Still, they have a medical school, and Kirk stole. Not surprisingly, it is Andrew Taylor, still University of Medicine.

spk_0:   5:03
They haven't osteopathic school, which is Andrew Taylor's University of Osteopathic Medicine. Yeah,

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but it's still a medical school.

spk_0:   5:13
Ah, they don't call it that because they graduate Dios, not M D's, but it is. They have fully qualified physicians graduating out of it.

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Thank you, has chopped

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out of being by by some of them. They did a great job, you know,

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real doctors have a dental school, too? Yes, so And you might wonder what What is It is Are you talking about chiropractors? Is that what you're talking about? Here? Know chiropractors cold, Totally different animal. Not completely and entirely different, but pretty different. They both use body manipulation, the boat back crackers. And I know that's just a you know, that really actually kind of practices really are back. Crackers osteopaths tend to use a lot more gentle low pressure techniques to manipulate the skeletal system. Then most chiropractors who d'oh but in some ways they're a little bit similar. But in most ways they're not. For example, a chiropractor is could be very good, like a lighting your back and relieving stress relieving pain. But that's

spk_0:   6:26
the only tool in his tool box. He's not a physician, right? He's a guy who does chiropractic,

spk_1:   6:33
and I tend to think, and I'm not disrespecting chiropractors, cause some of what they do is very good.

spk_0:   6:39
Yeah, they're they're valuable for what they do.

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But when the when the only tool you're you have is a hammer, all problems start to look like a nail.

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And so they overestimate what osteopathic they call it chiropractic, Of course. What manipulation could do in terms off changing bodily status manipulation is really great, for it cures some kinds of problems straight up and does it beautifully. Well,

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we'll give you examples. You're not just gonna leave you hanging. What are these people talking about? Why don't we go ahead, just started and give them examples? Let him sink their teeth into it,

spk_0:   7:21
Okay? Stuff that it cures are problems that arise from misalignment of the joints or blockages of nerve pathways or blood vessels or lymph vessels that occur from misalignment of the skeletal system of the musculoskeletal system. That's the source. Off manipulation can cure

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it. You know, you may think Well, you know, So, no, really, this is this is a legit serious thing because ah, lot of, ah, lot of times there's misalignment or non opted optimal alignment, if you will. And if you get all your okay, I'm not the person to be described as Can you describe like the back and all the stuff running through the back and all the different things. Got a little holes, what all that stuff is and the alignment, how that works.

spk_0:   8:16
Well, the vertebral column is first of all, supporting the way to the upper body. But there's a hollow down the middle of the vertebral column, where the spinal cord runs and the spinal cord is all the nerves. Well, all the tracks is there, technically called parts of nerve cells and nerve cells that go from the brain and end up communicating with the distant parts of the body below the neck. All of that runs through the spinal cord, so how your brain communicates with everything below the head is by running the wires down through the spinal cord.

spk_1:   8:53
And it's not just the wires that run that way.

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No, because as you go down, you, of course, have to have some of the wires sprout out so they can go out to the tissues. The nerves that serve the arms have to jump out of the spinal cord and go over the arms, and the ones that serve the heart and guts have to come out at those levels. So between every pair of bones in the vertebral column, you've got gaps where spinal nerves come out, and that's where fibers from the spinal cord are entering or leaving the spinal cord to go out to the peripheral parts of the body. You've also got blood vessels that serve those tissues, and you've got a limp that serves those tissues. And inside these the column of Hollow Inside the Spinal column, a place where the spinal cord runs. It's got this connective tissue jacket around it, and that jacket is filled with cerebral spinal fluid so that the brain and the spinal cord actually float literally in cerebrospinal fluid. And that's in there, too.

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And if if you ever have to get a heaven forbid, have to get a spinal tap, that's what they're. Actually,

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they're taking some of seat cerebrospinal fluid out to see what's going on with the fluid that's bathing your cord and a brain. Because if you've got an infection in the brain and stuff, who's things are likely to show up in the cerebral spinal fluid. So if you're bones of your skeletal system, get out of whack, especially along the spinal column. It could be bad in a couple of ways. One is the strictly mechanical thing of your weight bearing structures aren't lined up to take weight right, and you get pain and you get weakness and things like that from that problem. The other is that you've got those nerves sprouting and coming out between every pair of bones. So sometimes when one bone shifts relative to the other bone, it can pinch or impede either the nerves coming in and out or the blood vessels going in and out or something like that. You heard of people having pinched nerves. That's what they're usually talking about is a nerve is getting squished a little bit because the two bones that runs between the become misaligned relative to each other and it's not just the vertebral column. Other joints can become misaligned, too, and that makes him not work right. And it causes pain, and it causes them to move in funky ways and be more prone to injury. And you

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lose stability, us a movement on it. You lose some flexibility on it. You lose all kinds of stuff. Now somebody in this car and I'm not going to say who I'm not going to say which one of us actively plays and has played for years, a full contact sport

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and this women's full contact sport. Oh gosh, I guess I gave it away. This woman's full cut tax sport has left me slammed into by people half myself or twice my size with regularity

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a lot.

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Um, I've met the floor a lot of landed in some amazing spaghetti piles of bodies. You know, it's something that happens in a full contact sport. The A team physician for my sports team is a gentleman, excellent human being who volunteered to not only be the sports med physician for our teen, but he trains a bunch of medical students in the art and

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osteopathic. Yeah, and sorry.

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Yeah, I'm here, right? It's hard not to use the language that way. The thing is, full contact sports for women are kind of rare. So the kinds of issues that we run into in my sport are different than you see anywhere. So we make an excellent training bud for sports medicine, practitioners of manipulation, cause you see weird things in my sport you don't see everywhere. So he comes and he brings the students and he teaches them how to fix us up. And it is astounding how much good that a brood osteopathic manipulation could do to relieve some of the problems that are caused by hard physical exertion and collisions and things like that.

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Yeah, it's kind of funny, too, you know, sometimes being being a no pay amateur sport where everybody's got a life and everybody's trying toe, you know, live their own life and still be a part of the team. You know, you got practices, get stuff like that and one way to make sure everybody shows up. If it's gonna be a doc night, where the docks are gonna be there because everybody's like, Oh, I'm gonna show up and get my treatments because I'll feel better when we're done.

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Yeah, and you may be coming in with something entirely unrelated, like headaches. It's not from the active sport at all, but it's amazing how much they can do to relieve pain and make you feel better. An example of how this applies to prepping. Yes, so everybody has their own skeletal quirks and their own tendency to develop certain problems. I tend to get a problem with my hip joint now and then, and I've had it fixed by the osteopathic manipulators several times over the past few years, and I paid attention to exactly. You know how it feels when I get this particular problem and how they go about fixing it. So I'm out walking on the ice and snow one morning and I slip a little bit on the ice and I land funny, and I get my, like, joint halfway out of position. It didn't quite dislocate, but came fairly close to dislocating, which left me with one leg considerably shorter than the other for a while. And I had to kind of limp home, and I was in considerable pain, and I couldn't walk. Well, a lot of people in the U. S would go to a physician for that and they would know, maybe try the reduced activity bed rest and drugs thing for a few weeks and see if that worked. But instead, I just instructed salty on exactly how the docks fixed that particular problem and walked him through it step by step.

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Here, honey. Pull my leg. Yeah, yeah, but in this way, with

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it that way. Now, you give this a little bit,

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give it a firm pressure. Not really gank your pole or, you know, and boom it is.

spk_0:   15:34
Yeah, and the thing is it didn't have to crack. Cracking is not necessary. It just slipped back to where it belonged. And the pain was instantly relieved and a tiny bit of muscle soreness the next day. Other than that, I was perfectly well, So this this fixes gonna work for me now It's expected to work for me for a CZ long as I live. Even if I don't have access to medical care again, we can fix their problem

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right and a lot of what they do with the sports realm. And this is a lot, actually a lot of osteopathy. It's because it's a really related to a lot of what they teach in martial arts. And some of the other body oriented, um, training methods is stretching and proper alignment and how to adequately get ready to participate in sports. Now you talk about prepping Well, you may not be doing a quote unquote support. You may be chopping wood, but you should still stretch before you chop wood. How

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many 50 plus year old women do you know who can go out and spend a day chopping wood and stuff and come back feeling perfectly good? Other than tired, you know? Not hurt, Not sore muscles. Didn't tear anything. Course, some things went wrong. And I got into some weird situations. And But instead of being injured, I wasn't injured because I had I have a habit of stretching and it stretched ahead of time. Certainly, in playing my sport, there have been some falls I've taken that you would look at and see. Oh, man, that had to break something. But no, Uh, I've survived a lot of those so far.

spk_1:   17:29
Although it is funny. I was talking to Doc. You're a couple years ago and he was saying, You know, in my practice over the last 30 years, I probably, uh, had five dislocated shoulders. Is not something you normally see in the office Had five dislocated shoulders. And here with you guys, I've had five dislocated shoulders in the last year. Just you guys.

spk_0:   17:59
Hey, he got a lot of practice in reducing dislocations.

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Yeah, although one of them was It was funny. One of them was a referee. That was showing off 1/2 time. Yeah, you fellas dislocated his shoulder. That was kind of hilarious, But get give the guy credit. He finished it out, finished the game. That's pretty. His

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dislocation was reduced in about five minutes because Doc was right there, came out and took care of it. So if you know what kind of physical problem you tend to have, and a lot of people tend to get these lower back issues or leg issues, Um, some of my teammates have rib issues where ribs tend to come out, and then they're uncomfortable and feel like they can't breathe very well when they're working hard. Sometimes those have been caused by the sports. Sometimes they've been caused by other kinds of physical work they're doing so everybody's got their issues. They tend to fall into. If you're seeing somebody who's good at manipulation and have him not only do it but pay attention to how they're doing it and have them explained to you how they're how you're doing it, you can often replicate a lot of that on your own or have somebody else help you with the problem, or that you can have them teach you ways to make it less likely for the problem to re occur. And ah, Doc has recommended specific exercises for various of my teammates who have particular problems that have allowed them to strengthen their weak spots so that what used to be a recurring injury now doesn't happen because that figured out how to get

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it avoided. And

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you can do all that that'll last you after the medical care is no longer available

spk_1:   19:50
right now, this is one of the things that I wanted to bring up here is you know, you may not have ever heard of osteopathy, but I think it might be something you want to look up finding osteopaths of you, especially if you have any of these, like a chronic back pain or your hip tends to be funky all the time. Chronic

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headaches or another reason?

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Yeah, headaches or another reason.

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Not every kind of headache is amenable to this kind of treatment, but some of them are

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so finding a search has to go to the osteopath. And don't just go there and explain your complaint. But ask him, What can I do? Because they're far more likely to give you real world advice? Well, come back. It's, you know, come back and see me 25 times and and we'll set up a payment plan. If you have that kind of person, that's generally not an osteo path. You get that kind of person. I'm not gonna mention who that's more likely to be, but, um, there I would be walking. Yeah, that's that's That's your that's your thing to walk. If you ask the Ostia Patmore than likely, they're gonna tell you exactly what it is you need to do and then just start doing it.

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That brings up the second major difference between osteopaths and medical doctors as positions mindset, in that a lot of medical doctors are kind of trained with the mindset of find out what's broken, fix what's broken. It's a very mechanical kind of mindset. Of course, the working of physiology instead of, you know, metal bits. But the approaches the same. Something in there is broken. Fix that thing and you're good osteopath ease. Original mindset comes from a position of this is a whole human being. Something's definitely wrong to cause the problem, but your goal is to treat the whole human being, not to just treat in isolation the one body part that seems to be the problem. Doctors saying all the time. If you're feeling pain in this particular joint and nothing seems to be nothing's obviously causing it from there, well, what's likely causing the problem is a shift in intentions and weight bearing and something else from some other joint up the line. Everything is connected to everything else, and that mindset is threaded more thoroughly through osteopathic training. Then it is through most medical school training, so they're more likely to think about psychological issues. And they're more likely to think about diet and exercise and stress, and how different medical problems that are treated by different medical specialists might interplay with each other. They have amore, a whole human being approach, then broken part broke approach.

spk_1:   22:40
Right now, they do have the whole big can of of medicine that they could use. They yes, they did hear they could prescribe or whatever you need just one of the problems that I have with chiropractic, and I'm not here to bash chiropractic. I mean, chiropractic is for what it is good at is very good, but one of the things that osteopaths could do that a chiropractor just can't is when the osteopaths is doing the examination, they see. Okay, this is probably caused by an infection. Well, let's get you on the proper medication to knock this infection out. Everything isn't They aren't hammers, and every problem isn't a nail. So

spk_0:   23:29
we've got the full toolbox together. We're going to see

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they're not looking

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the whole range of problems and deal with it

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because a lot of times you may be dealing with a problem that is a symptom of something else. Not actually just the rial root of the problem. And when you don't have the full tool blacks, you just I mean, you're just going to do what you can. D'oh! And so that's you know, if if anybody's a chiropractor, Esther and I've offended you, I'm sorry, but that's just the way I see it.

spk_0:   24:03
And they're less likely than medical doctors just to throw a single prescription at a single problem. And till you have a nice day, they're more likely to look at everything that's going on and make sure that the answer they're coming up with makes sense in light of the whole person and the other drugs you might be taken, for example, they're more likely to think more deeply about that. They're more likely to think about things like physical therapy as a recovery approach, then simple drug treatment or something like that.

spk_1:   24:38
Frankly, they're more likely to spend more time with you. Yeah, there are time on of contact with patients is higher than most Andy's. And I'm not bashing MDs. And he's doing a great job. I'm walking up right because of ah ah, fantastic surgeon. I mean, you know, I've got no complaints with them. It's just when it comes to prepping as great as empties are, you really kind of have to have one around

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to get the benefit of

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Forget the benefit of There is some of this other stuff you can learn for yourself,

spk_0:   25:16
and the best way to do it is to ask him and talk to him about it. When you're needing treatment or whatever, you can also do the same thing with physical therapists. By the way, what we have is a musculoskeletal type of issue. A lot of time physical therapy will be set up to help you resolve issues recover from surgeries, things like that. Physical therapists also have ah very good track record in of the ones I've known and being excited about helping people figure out how to keep nice and flexible, how to do good recovery, how to continue doing the right things on your own. They know they've got a limited number of times. They can see a person, especially physical therapists who are often insurance limited. And how many times the insurance company will pay for the physical therapist. That's often a CZ. Many times they're going to see the patient, frankly, but they want you to continue to improve so they'll help teach you how to do the right things. Same kind of mindset.

spk_1:   26:25
Don't mind me. I'm had to pull over. Slow down because we had a A meal is coming through.

spk_0:   26:31
Yes, I had noticed, would slow down and had moved over. And I was peeking around, trying to figure out what the heck was going on.

spk_1:   26:37
Yeah, Ambulance. So, Anyhoo, that's pretty much what we wanted to say about osteopathy. If you have any questions, well, Google osteopathy and it'll of our doctor Cho them and they'll, uh, your questions will be answered and look up. Andrew Taylor. Still, he was an interesting fellow, very interesting fellow, and for those of us who actually care about such things as, Ah, women's, uh, being treated fairly. Andrew Taylor still was one of the very first founders of making women doctors.

spk_0:   27:19
Yeah, he had a lot of his early physicians were women, which was very unusual. It's done. Yeah, he actually was not a big fan of traditional medical practices. He relied much more heavily on osteopathic manipulation. But guys, it was the 18 seventies. Traditional medical practices stank on ice

spk_1:   27:39
there or a

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baby bleeding and purging was 3/4 of what they did. It was awful. The fact that he was not a big fan of that, not a thing as osteopathy devote developed at real medical practice got to be actually helpful. The Osteopaths incorporated into that without leaving there osteopathic manipulation and mindset behind.

spk_1:   28:08
So there you have it. Welcome to osteo apathy. If you haven't heard of it, check it out. Look it up. School Stop. So we'll talk to you later and have a good one.