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Hello, everybody. Hello,

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everybody. And welcome to the show The Big show,

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The windy Show,

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The windy sheds windy today and we're sitting ruins. My little like clever little primate

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waited. Got in our bike ride early,

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early before the wind picked up. I strive to start to feel it tug to me, but there's nothing like that. It's blowing a good 20 mile an hour. Now it's It's going pretty good. So welcome to the show. Beautiful day outside half a terrain yesterday, which is great because their gardens happy and we're off. It's a beautiful blue day and we're off on the road to the place. Actually, we're off on a very, very convoluted route to the place. We're going around the word and one of the reasons we're going around the horn is because yeah, after, if you have a place that you're bugging out, too, you have to know all the ways in and out, okay? And normally I don't like racking up that many miles on my car, But we're the last day of a rental car, so I don't care how many battles we put up this car.

spk_0:   1:12
Rental cars can go anywhere and can go an infinite amount of miles.

spk_1:   1:16
That's right. Especially if

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you put a damage liability waiver

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on Yes, absolutely. So that's what we're doing right now. We're going to go around the horn. We're gonna go in the back way to the place and make sure that we know the way to get there So that even if the water is really, really, really high, there's really only one way to get to the place when the water is really, really, really high. And we're gonna make sure that it will work because we've checked it once. But, you know, it's been a couple of years, and it's just time to get to remind each other and ourselves how to do it. So does

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horns T check roads

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to Jack Rose because that's what

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today is about.

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See what condition the roads and see. Make sure that everything's open, everything's in good condition. And, uh, yeah,

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now we're probably gonna be all right because these air paved roads,

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the ones were choosing to dare paper. There are unpaved roads to the places. Well, those give all sketching was

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range from a little sketchy to really, really, really barely roads

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two roads where you see gravel going to gravel with a little grass in the middle, going to gravel with a lot of grass in the middle between the two tire marks. And

spk_0:   2:43
then they become just suggestions.

spk_1:   2:45
Yeah, to where the tire marks start disappearing and the gravel goes away. That's when you know you're getting to that point.

spk_0:   2:54
But here's the thing. A lot of the places that are great places to bug out, too, or to go out and practice skills you want to practice woodsman skills. Ah, lot of those places are on the tiny little barely roads that aren't paved and often aren't maintained or barely maintained. So I was visiting my sister this week, and my sister lives out in some place. That's a heck of a lot more rural than our tiny little town,

spk_1:   3:30
our town, not necessarily the place. It's pretty rural, but that's about the same level of our old us. Yeah, except for the place is not is 10 off right off of a paved road, which is not an accident. Pipe away. It's a very obscure little paved road that nobody goes down. You'll go on our there without hearing car go by, but

spk_0:   3:53
she has to go a couple of miles on a gravel road to even get to the nearest pavement. And a couple miles isn't that bad. And it's a high quality gravel road is gravel. Roads go. But still, as I was getting up in the morning and going for a walk and I walked just that two mile stretch of gravel to the paved road and back just to and enjoy the woods that she lives out in the middle of. And I noticed so many road hazards that are quite common on that kind of Rhodes. I thought it would be worth talking about him, because if you spend most your time on paved roads, these might not really be on your radar as problems. But if you're trying to bug out somewhere, they're likely to be, have to be on your radar. Go for it. So the first thing I noticed is up the homestead that she lives on. They got about 40 acres there, used to have two houses on it. Now it's got one where P lives and the other one has been let go. It's been about three years since anybody went down to the old House site. So you get to the end of the gravel and it splits to their driveway, which they keep rocked. And it splits the other way, which three years ago was what I would call a mud road but perfectly passable for, um, a car if you were careful or preferably ah, truck or four wheel drive kind of thing. That's where it was three years ago, and I checked just Dre completely impassable to any vehicle without a brush cutter on the front. Because the cedar trees had grown up in the middle of the road bed

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and people don't realize how fast this can have it.

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You can get a three inch diameter cedar tree in, well, clearly in three years or less. I wasn't even sure that was supposed to be the road, so I ducked past the Cedars, and yet it's okay. I can see the suggestions of rock on the side on each side, so that was supposed to be the road I go. Another 20 feet giant tree fallen across the road. I don't mean giant sequoia tree, but I mean, if you were looking at trying to drive past it. Absolutely no shot of getting past it in any kind of vehicle without cutting it up. Absolutely no shot of human muscle power just shoving it out of the way enough to let you get past absolutely no shot of cutting it up with those cute little survival saws that are made of wire with two little rings on the end. I don't know if you've ever tried your cute little survival saw, but I tried my cute little survival saw, and what I found is if I wanted to take a branch that had an inch diameter or an inch and 1/2 diameter, and I wanted to cut it up to make firewood. That cute little survival saw did a good job. And if I wanted to trim anything better than that, if it was two inches, two and 1/2 inches sufficient custom could get it done. Anything more than that just not happening with the survival saw. And this tree was, ah, 14 inch 15 inch diameter. Something like that.

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Mr Chainsaw, Mister Chainsaw or Mr Big Begin.

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Big hands are chain saw is what it would take, and they were actually was another one of those in the quarter mile. I walked down what used to be the drive to the old home place. So three impassable barriers and one really sketchy washout in 1/4 mile of something that was a perfectly good, passable road three years ago. And that's not uncommon for the kind of roads were talking about. I actually mentioned it to her later and asked her about it, she says. Oh yeah, we've had to cut our way out a time or two from here because even that good gravel road that they're on the trees come up close to it and trees die. And when the wind blows, trees fall down. They've been trapped in there by trees falling across the road that they couldn't try pass before they make sure they keep that. Actually, they have to chain saws both battery operated and a small gas powered one to his one. When you got to get out and they've had to cut their way out of time or two. The other barrier that I noticed worth talking about was the softness of it. Now, on the good gravel road, you were on the good. It's the highest quality gravel road you find in Missouri. While you were on the road bed, it was perfectly good and solid. And even though they've gotten some rain lately and I was in a rental car or not, a four wheel drive, not an SUV. No problem. There were no ruts. There was no wash boarding. It was a nice gravel road, but on either side they had 10 to 14 depending on where you were inch trenches where two cars that had to pass. Clearly, it had been people in pickup trucks because you don't make trenches that deep without trucks, and one had edge to the side to make enough room for the other one. Because in a good structure gravel road, you can just barely get to big vehicles passed each other. You got about 1/4 of an inch off what was intended to be the road bed, and it went to completely soft, and the trucks buried themselves tend to 14 inches deep and made trenches with the wheels. You could see where they've gone off past each other, and they got back on because they were in four wheel drive trucks but fewer car wouldn't be happening. You would be getting back out of that.

spk_1:   10:03
So, you know, a couple of things about you know, people talk about bug out vehicles, and it's kind of hard a buck out vehicles kind of a hard subject to really talk about because so many people have so many different ideas. So many people have so much different ability to own vehicles, but that, I mean, not only just a perfect bug out vehicle is going to be a really lousy everyday driver. Yeah, and a lot of people can't really afford to keep either financially or have a place to put the thing to keep a extra bug out vehicle. We have three vehicles. We have two cars, cars we drive to work, and then we have the old farm truck, which we use for firm truck. Kind of stopped at the place. I mean, it's what it does. Sometimes you have to carry stuff, build a straw, uh, loads of newer wire, you know, all kinds of stuff. But none of these. I would really call a bug out vehicle for a, um, dedicated bug out scenario because, well, first of all, We're kind of already living in one of our to bug out locations. And secondly, the other one is within bicycle ride of where we live. So our bicycles are bug out vehicles. If there's like any MP or something like that, we need to go out there even though we wouldn't go out there for any MP. No, I were bug out. Location is not specifically at this point in its development is basically just for something like a isolation incident where we need to be isolated in case of a major pandemic. That's really what what we're looking at now, for some reason, we need to get out of town just to isolate ourselves from other human beings. And

spk_0:   12:08
we needed some place to live if there was a chemical spill from a truck going through our town or something like that and had to evacuate

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or yeah, or, um if our house burnt down, haven't forbid. You mean you didn't place toe stay for a night or two. We could

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have blown away by a tornado, you know? Yes, it's come within a mile of that before,

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you know, stuff like that. And eventually we were hoping you'd be a little Maur than that. But right now, that's where we're at. So long story short. Um, if you know where you're going, if you know the range of where you're going, you know the road you're gonna be going on and you have a You know, that's one kind of vehicle. If you know you're going to be bugging out into the woods, which is not recommended.

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If you don't have ah place selected and already set up, it's probably not a good idea. We've got a separate podcast on

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your way talk with, but that takes a different kind of bug out vehicle. You know, a lot of people they do their their bug out vehicle thinking the same way that they look that Rambo movies. Okay, You think a bug out vehicle has to be a humongous, ridiculous 10 foot tall four wheel drive? The most conspicuous looking, ah thing on the planet.

spk_0:   13:42
They don't fit down narrow tracks and they don't get good gas mileage.

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They're very top, very top heavy. They don't. You were Well, God, I gotta get so we're not really But I don't want to do this into a bug out vehicle thing, but part of what you got to consider it. If you're going to have a vehicle that you're gonna be bugging out it, okay, and you're gonna bug out in your car. That's fine. That's great. But does your car have ground effects? If your car has ground effects, if it's just slow, you're not getting down some of these travel rose. It's just not gonna happen without dragging the whole way. You're gonna destroy your car doing it

spk_0:   14:22
even if it doesn't have special ground effect. Some cars with poor clearance have trouble in general on

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grab any any any modern kill with low ground effect anytime in low front, bumper front spoiler, anything like that. They're all kind of, um,

spk_0:   14:42
we had a moderate thunderstorm while I was there, and on my walk the next morning, I had to tossed like a dozen chunks of fallen wood out of the road, which would have been if he to get a car over that All have been fined for trucks, but one I did shovel on a side that I would have hesitated to drive over in a truck because it had a high snag. E piece that could snag something from the undercarriage. But that's a that's a bunch of wood to have to remove in two miles from a moderate thunderstorm.

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Another thing in that part of the state, at least you have to know you kind of know your oats. That part of this, you hear our roads are built on top of topsoil, so it's not that big of a deal. You're not gonna really run into it Down there, they're roads are built on top of rock. So if the gravel's kind of get separated and pushed aside, they may be sitting on top of a rock road. So the gravel gotta get pushed out in the rock. Kind of big chunks of rock start coming through the road.

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Yeah, they're gravel was naturally occurring gravel. In fact, they never had gravel. That road they just scraped the top that both inches of topsoil off of it.

spk_1:   15:54
Yeah, so but there might be a good, solid rock. So if you're going down there at a good rate of speed, you hit your oil pan and caused I mean, have you ever done that? That is eye opening. Tear your muffler off all kinds of stuff. So

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I've loved the muffler on. Actually, I wasn't driving, but I've been with somebody who left a muffler behind on one of those not even driving unreasonably. It was just big rocks sticking up. Hit a bump. There goes.

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So one of my suggested is find a gravel road here and drive a car down. And I know that sounds strange, but there are We owned a car. The mustang, actually. Where I almost put that car in the ditch the first time I drove it on a gravel road. Could I drove it like every other car. I don't I didn't know that car was for some reason, something about the suspension of that car did not like gravel Road.

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It was a complete squirrel on grab.

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It just went absolutely nuts. You'd be driving down the road all suddenly just start going back and forth at 30 miles an hour on the ground. I mean, it just could not. I learned not to take that car down there. I've got a rose. Worst car ever. Don't do.

spk_0:   17:10
Yeah, And if you are off of a good gravel road and you start seeing the grass meeting in the middle. You are at risk in a car, at least of having it be so soft that your wheel sinking and get stuck. And you might come to a low water crossing where even a truck we'll get stuck. Or the ruts wheels will so go so deep in ruts that the underside of the car their truck starts dragging. We did that unintentionally, once in one of our vehicles. Fortunately, it was a four wheel drive vehicle.

spk_1:   17:49
Two wheel drive. What? Yeah, that was a two wheel driving. Oh, that was Yeah. I gotta tell the strike. He's

spk_0:   17:58
a master driver, so let him tell the story.

spk_1:   18:00
All right. We were just We were fairly new to our to the area. We had lived there that long and they had the road. I admit now. Yeah, it's just gonna throw. It was decent looking road, but

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it has been

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raining, so I'm like, Okay, so I pop over this hill and the gravel road turns instantly into a mud road

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that rocked it to the top of the hill

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just over the top. So I'm driving and so boo for all this mud road. So I stopped and I try to put the truck in in in reverse after I'm, you know, 152 100 feet down the hill already. And that truck just starts spinning and screwing uses two wheel drive on the mud. There's no way I'm back in that thing back up. Now. I gotta tell you this this truck, it was a heavy half Ford full size pickup truck. 78 I think. Oh, 3 51 Cleveland in it. This truck had

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more older people

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cuts, but it would get stuck on wet grass. Not even joking. Now, I had big, big tires, heavy tires. We use this for carrier camper. He's a really good quality tires on because I'm just like, Well, there's no way I know we're about six miles out of town. There's no way I figured out when I go over the hill where this road is going because I know the other end of this because I've never gone down in the mud.

spk_0:   19:43
Yeah, the other end looks worse than this, and

spk_1:   19:45
well, here's what we're gonna do. We're just guys. Here's what we're gonna do. We're just gonna steer for the ruts and get us close to town as we can before we get stock

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or de Sarre walk. We're just walk. Once extracted all, you have

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to have somebody tow us out.

spk_0:   20:04
And not another truck, either. A tractor.

spk_1:   20:06
Yeah, it's gonna take a tractor gives out here. So I've already changed my wallet. Let's just see how close we can get. So I take off and we're going down this road. And, of course, it's just mud just flying everywhere. It's coming up over the girl. I can't see Ah thing. She's rolling down her window. She rolls down her window and she's looking out front, telling me to go left or right. I can't see a thing

spk_0:   20:35
telling them which way is wheels return? Because you can't tell that

spk_1:   20:37
I can't even tell which way my wheels

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doesn't. Turning the wheels doesn't have enough impact on which way the car's moving. To be sure which way your wheels are pointing given moment, my face is getting Plus,

spk_1:   20:47
we're passing trucks that have been out. Mutton, if you don't want mutton is you're not a rural person. Button is just going out there and fight and roads like this and having fun. But

spk_0:   20:57
until you get stuck and then it

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will be and the structure set up for it. They've got, you know, winches to pull themselves out. But there are no trees to winch up to way past a cluster of three trucks. They're obviously there from the day before that

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are also pull others out.

spk_1:   21:15
We're just I just basically riding the ruts and somehow that I'm just gonna at the engine's smoking temperature lights going, our temperature gauge is going up, up, up it somehow. By the grace of God Almighty, we got back on the gravel. We get back up the gravel, I e Stop Roma gravel. Ugh. I look over her, and I know I am just gonna She is gonna lay into me like nothing else. Look, don't mean she kinda grinned. She says, Hey, that was fun. Let's do it again. Oh, yeah, But way had I think we had a pop or something like that. We had to dump it on the windshield and it took us to

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be able to see a

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car wash at the Times, like 50 cents for four minutes. It took us, I think, $45 I mean, it was just covered in mud. Unbelievable.

spk_0:   22:19
They things could go south in a hurry on those roads, so

spk_1:   22:23
that was kind of fun. I was

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kidding about doing it again because I in no way wanted to hassle with getting the truck pulled out of there, and it was extremely near thing.

spk_1:   22:32
Then there was that time we went down, we had a rental vehicle, was a van. His car was a car and we got down. One of these roads were we were actually this is back when we were shopping for the place. It was one of those deals where he had the We had the rental car anyway, So what? Alice is quite Sunday and and we'll shop for the place. You know, this is back in the day when we were shopping and we got down one of those roads and it was wet, and this is a new road, and the the surface of the road was very, very new,

spk_0:   23:05
which means it's very slippery because the rocks haven't been packed

spk_1:   23:08
and we're going lower and lower, and it's getting, you know, we're we're making an inch deep rut. We're making an inch and 1/2 deep rut. We're making a two inch right. It's getting worse.

spk_0:   23:19
And we looked down the hill and there's a shimmer of water at the bottom of the hill

spk_1:   23:23
and we'd be like, No, yeah, we'll be like now. So Okay, we'll work to have three miles down this road. This has got a backup camera. Hey, let's just back out of this

spk_0:   23:39
because there was no way there were no side driveways or anything else where you could turn around that they you dropped immediately off the road into deep ditches. There was no turning around for two or three miles behind us. And

spk_1:   23:54
we're like, we're like, I don't care how good of location, how good of a property this is. This is the only way in and out. So no, no, I I mean, I what good is a bug out location? You can't get to so recorded and we're back. You didn't even know we were going, but we're back. We had a super urgent appointment with the pizza that we had way had to meet there we were both What's the word? They used sharp set. We were a little sharp set. I'm afraid to say so. Yeah, we had a we had a pizza and we're back. And we're talking about Rose. Less traveled. Literally.

spk_0:   24:46
Yeah. So if you're thinking that you might need to use this kind of road because you want to get out, they're amongst God in his creatures or whatever you wanna I want to call the wilds there. You definitely should have some effective way to cut wood or at least dragon, which would be like a stout enough towing cable or chain stout rope

spk_1:   25:17
and a vehicle capable of

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interviewing were capable of doing that. And you knowing how to attach the thing to your car properly so you don't pull parts off your car when you attach and start gunning. It is that if you just try and attach to a bumper hook under a bumper or something on a lot of these modern cars, you just pop your bumper off. That wasn't very effective, now, was it?

spk_1:   25:41
Almost every car has some type of attachment somewhere, but often it's underneath and often you'll end up tearing up your aerodynamics stuff. So just something to keep in mind because they're designed. I mean to design, have somethings liking me hooked up and delivered. So just, you know, delivery hooks or delivery hard points of nothing else So

spk_0:   26:09
but know where they are and how to find him. If you're serious about it, the optimal thing would be to have a winch attached firmly enough to the frame of the truck that you can winch yourself out if you get stuck. That's beyond a lot of people's means, but at least you should consider whether or not it's beyond your means,

spk_1:   26:31
right. And frankly, if you have a wench in the bumper of your truck, you need to know how to use it to. It's not just a Z Z is having it. You actually have to know how to operate it, how to secure it to something and how to actually do it. So that will get your chunk of stock rather than rip the bumper off your truck

spk_0:   26:55
or pull down a dead tree onto the top of your car by when you try and winch up, that would not be a good time.

spk_1:   27:00
No, but a good tip. A lot of mothers have that,

spk_0:   27:05
and the other thing is, if you're tempted to swerve around an obstacle. Swerve around a a animal something like that. Be aware that you're likely to get into soft territory much faster. If if we were to go off the paved road right here, we still have solid road bed for another foot. Beyond that, even though it's traveled

spk_1:   27:27
and even though it's tilted in a very bad angle and you'll probably end up in the ditch anyway.

spk_0:   27:32
Yeah, it we wouldn't be the best place to go. But we wouldn't immediately sink up to our axles if this was a gravel road. Getting that far off the intended road bed would probably have a sinking up to our axles.

spk_1:   27:45
Right? And I

spk_0:   27:48
absolutely want to go slow enough that these hazards coming, that you have time to stop for these hazards and, uh, get the ones out of the way that you can easily get out of the way before you run

spk_1:   27:59
into a another thing to think about what you want to pay attention to. If you re in a situation where you considering, hey, we have to bug out in a few days, pay attention to the weather if it's been dry, even a mud road is good when it's dry and maybe rutted and may be hard on the on the vehicle. You may be rubbing here and there, but you get better in a mud road and by dry I mean, been driver a week. I don't mean been dry for two days because you could dry crust on top of mud and that crust can and will collapse

spk_0:   28:35
any amount of rain. And a lot of these roads will have low water crossings. And if you are not 100% stone cold positive, you know the footing solid enough and you got enough clearance. Do not attempt running water. Do not attempt to cross it. You would be amazed at how quickly it can pick up a vehicle and start to shove it off downstream. We've had it happened on a on a section of paved road between in a tiny little dip between one farm field in the next. No stream inside.

spk_1:   29:06
Yeah, it shouldn't have happened there, but it did. Yeah, to blow plugged and we hit it at night and we hit it. Boom! We're in the water and we're starting to float down Strain.

spk_0:   29:16
Yeah, we floated all the way into the opposing lane before we got out of this little bitty dip. So low water crossings be absolutely certain for you tempt him that you could make him

spk_1:   29:29
that

spk_0:   29:29
water's really dangerous

spk_1:   29:31
juice. If there's a little water crossing in a road, it's not going to be a if the water is not very tall. I mean, you know, it's six inches. Whatever the road by the bed itself, in that of that low water crossing will be solid

spk_0:   29:43
unless that's a mud road.

spk_1:   29:45
Even even usually those things easy. Rockso is pretty good, so into the water running over. It cleans off any of the lead us today. So

spk_0:   29:56
Oh, there was one other caution I wanted to bring up just because it shows on a map. If it's one of the these little bitty roads, does not mean it's real thing. I remember one day I planned a mountain bike ride and I was gonna go the little the smallest of the public roads not to trust pass on people's ground but the smallest of the public roads. I had my mountain bike. It was a great plan until I got to one leg of my trip and discovered the farmer has had decided that that road was used so little he was just gonna make a cornfield out of it, right? He had even taken the culverts out. So the bridges were gone. And what should have been a road and showed on the county plat maps and things like that as a road was just completely non existent. Plus, you have the overgrowth problem we started out

spk_1:   30:45
with. Was that road in the south part of the county? Yes. OK, there's a story that goes with that road. No. Good God, This guy's coming fast. Sorry. Go on. You wanted past driving like an idiot. Go on. I know it's a no passing zoom, but who cares? User toe?

spk_0:   31:10
Yeah, we had a guy who decided he needed to go 70 with his giant pickup truck.

spk_1:   31:16
Okay, I am taking a picture of what we call a mud road. We're just happened to pass one, so I'm taking a picture right now. What we call a mud road. You for those of you who don't you know what a mud road is? Well, this picture this picture will show you what

spk_0:   31:37
rude characteristics vary by region, like in southern part of the state. They don't have mud roads because you scrape off their two inches of topsoil and you've got a rock road.

spk_1:   31:46
Looks like a mud road to you.

spk_0:   31:47
That's a mud road

spk_1:   31:48
that's a mud road. This this road right now is perfectly dry, perfectly passable. Even though it rained yesterday, it didn't ring that much,

spk_0:   31:57
but I bet if we went down the hill on the other side of that would find pretty good muck at the bottom of it.

spk_1:   32:05
But we're not going either.

spk_0:   32:06
But we're not gonna try because I was just kidding about Ronald. Cars can go everywhere. They do pretty good, but they can't really go everywhere.

spk_1:   32:15
Yeah, so any time you see a road like that, which is dirt, it starts tohave. I mean, just dirt if the if the road surface is dirt, that is a mud road waiting to happen, so you know, which is fine. But if you if you choose a bug out location that's on the other side of one of those roads, you just need to know it may not be passable for you when you need to bug out,

spk_0:   32:39
keep an eye out for washouts because in a lot of places, the roads of the best places for water to run when it rains and you get this enormously deep erosion ditches very localized. So if you came upon him in a hurry, you can drop off a wheel into him before you even see him if you're not paying attention, and they usually have big chunks Iraq and chunks of wood stuck in the bottom. Love. I took a picture of one when I was on my little two mile walk. That way not only didn't have those things, it had a lovely bit of old barbed wire fence in there with wires sticking out just perfect to flat, practically any tire. You gotta wash those guys. Sometimes you need to use these roads. I mean, they're they're the ones that go out to the middle of nowhere where you may want to be, but you want to be aware that it's just not the same kettle of fish is driving on nicely maintained Pedro,

spk_1:   33:37
right? Another thing to keep in mind, too, and this doesn't come as much where we live. But the further north you go. The more problem it can be is a lot of times. Roads are kind of cut through hills, so you'll have like, right now we're driving through the hills of each side of the road is taller than the road. I mean, they kind of stick up, so the road doesn't exactly follow the contour of the earth on a highway like this. Didn't that is that big of a deal? But on some of these gravel roads, you know, you could be basically in a sunken lane a 10 feet below the hill on your side. And that matters in the winter because that is, if you get why is drifting snow storms get a blizzard or anything close to a blizzard, those suckers will be drifted shut. And you're not getting in and out short of a snowplow. Get through

spk_0:   34:38
with the right kind of snow quality. Ah, moderate wind condone it. It doesn't have to be anywhere near a

spk_1:   34:43
bright, and we get on the highway. But the highways here are maintained at least to a degree. But the smaller the rural road, the lust maintain. They're gonna be in, and you get off into a gravel road. You know, they're gonna be as much maintained by the people who live on the road than they are by the state.

spk_0:   35:01
Yeah, a lot of people who live back there will have little plows on the front of their trucks so they could get out the winner.

spk_1:   35:07
That's the way it is. And then school buses will run on on the hard roads only

spk_0:   35:14
if you're driving down one of these roads. Also, keep your eyes out for places you can turn around if you need to. Do you know where they are?

spk_1:   35:21
Right. Some of these roads really are one lane roads. And if you're driving a big fat rig and you're gonna have real problems driving a camper or something like down here, you know you're gonna back up a long way or they are.

spk_0:   35:33
If you're hauling a trailer that you don't usually hall and you're not skilled at good luck with that trying to back him up in some of these skinny little farm field pullouts.

spk_1:   35:43
Oh, did you see that? You remember seeing that trailer where the guy just checked the heck out of it? Yeah, it was on a recent trip. We did

spk_0:   35:51
Memorial Day weekend. Clearly, it was a vacation guy who probably doesn't haul his fifth wheel very often and won't ever be hauling that particular fifth wheel again

spk_1:   36:01
or driving up to get a truck to get

spk_0:   36:03
Yeah, he jackknifed and then rolled it.

spk_1:   36:06
Right. So, uh, this is what's known as a bad thing.

spk_0:   36:11
And that was on a perfectly good paper on.

spk_1:   36:17
Sorry. Fitness. Yeah, The wind caught it. So, anyway, roads just pay attention to him. All right.

spk_0:   36:27
Good driving. I

spk_1:   36:28
talk to you later.