spk_1:   0:01
Hello, everybody.

spk_0:   0:02
Hello, everybody. And welcome to the show. The big show. The most important didn't critically guest, which is recorded in our car today. We're in the red. A studio? That's right to the red studio. That doesn't make us communists, though. No, we're not communists. Even our car is ready. So welcome to the show. And I should introduce the show. Be a song

spk_1:   0:31
that depends on whether you're going to sing it or not. We might lose our listeners right away.

spk_0:   0:35
I'm gonna sing it just but just briefly, Okay? She leaving on a jet plane? We kind of have an idea. What? Your way.

spk_1:   0:44
We know when I'll be back again.

spk_0:   0:46
Okay, They're waas toe. I might be nominated for a Grammy. For that one, Robbie might be knocked upside the head.

spk_1:   0:59
Grab me with a big, heavy purse.

spk_0:   1:02
Yeah, filled with gold bullion because she is a prepper. Yeah, well, I loved I was loved watching the movies when they when they get the gold and they picked these just up and carry him around like they're nothing

spk_1:   1:18
now. I've never had chests of gold. I had to move around, but I've had to move around boxes full of lead shielding batteries and automobile batteries,

spk_0:   1:29
which are, like, not bad

spk_1:   1:31
lead plates in there

spk_0:   1:32
is gold.

spk_1:   1:33
Uh, yeah. So you don't just casually pick up a whole box of them and toss him in the back of an armored car, guys.

spk_0:   1:40
But that is not what we're here to talk about today. No, we're here to talk about travel prepping in this. The pros and the cons know we've talked about this before. Paranoid Prepper had a nice article on this before, but we're gonna take a little bit different angle because we travel and we travel a lot. Is this part of it's part of what we got going on. It's part of our thing. You know, some people are able to sit at home the whole time. And some people, you know, honestly, when what you do is there, you kind of have to go or not. Do what you D'oh. So anyway, long story short, we travel like, today we're traveling where we went to AA thing, and now we're coming back from the thing and we're in the red studio in this red story. We do have some groceries because we stopped at the grocery store on the way for me. She's leaving tomorrow on a jet plane flying out of Dez Mines. Parts? No. No. Okay, they're not unknown, but But she's gonna end up in Chicago and then on out to the Rocky Mountains, she's gonna have a Rocky Mountain High is gonna be a Wyoming, so you can't really do the thing. But anyway, I

spk_1:   2:59
had the opportunity last year on vacation. No, thanks.

spk_0:   3:03
Okay. Yeah. That the smoky thing, it's just not our is already okay. It's just not our dance. Whatever. You got your own dance. I don't care what you do,

spk_1:   3:11
especially when you're out hiking with your, uh, friend Doc, who knows way more about that stuff, and I do. And he's like, I'm not going anywhere near that stuff. Okay, I can take a hint, but anyway,

spk_0:   3:26
but anyway, pressing right a little, the

spk_1:   3:28
car got all kinds of nice. Perhaps we do so we don't have to worry about perhaps when we take the car and go somewhere, because cars both of our cars are always stocked. Actually, even the farm truck has a good number of perps in it.

spk_0:   3:42
Right? I mean, we've got We've got jumper cables in here. We got Ah, a car starter. We've got a spare tire. We actually have a spare tire. We haven't checked. And there we have all of the spare tire tools that actually fit this car. Not just generic tools with ones that fit this particular car. The car didn't come with him. We had to go out by those separately

spk_1:   4:10
and a three day get home bag.

spk_0:   4:12
Three day. Get home bag. We've got food. I've got a additional case of water. Um, case of bottled water. I've got boots, I've got a coat. Even though it's the middle of summer, I've got a coat because you never know. I've got a bicycle here that I can hop on and get home on.

spk_1:   4:35
He keeps the bicycle in his car. Unless we need the space for something else,

spk_0:   4:39
right? I just do it. It's part of my normal thing as I keep a bicycle. My car, we get, I hate walking. I'm not a good walking. I, you know, have some restrictions for walking long distances. But biking, not a problem, except for my knee's feeling a little tired at the end of it, I'll get there, you know? And so I got a touring bicycle in the back of the car. I could even take a load on it. So this is what we have for our car that when we travel by car, it's very similar to what we take. We don't always take a bicycle. We don't always have room for it. But, you know, we take

spk_1:   5:18
a lot of this stuff, goes with us all the time, right? It's a lot harder for me cause I have to get on a jet plane, and that means one. My luggage is extremely limited because I want to actually get there with everything. So I try not to check anything and also TSA G

spk_0:   5:38
s, A.

spk_1:   5:39
L. Personally, I think it's a lot riskier to make me asked me to go hiking without a fully stocked first aid kit. Then it would be to let me carry a pair of scissors or pocket knife. But TSA doesn't see it that way.

spk_0:   5:55
Fortunately, doctors driving she carry scissors in the pocket.

spk_1:   5:59
Yes, she's bringing the bear spray and the pocket knives and the, uh, lighters and other things that I can't bring with me.

spk_0:   6:09
Sometimes I do wonder the bear spray if that's just like hot sauce for them.

spk_1:   6:17
Hoping not to find out. Yeah,

spk_0:   6:21
I know. Bear bells. The people used to wear the bear bells all the time.

spk_1:   6:25
And then the rangers started calling him dinner Bell sooner

spk_0:   6:27
Bills. So, yeah, not so much on that one. And unfortunately, the TSA, my favorite bear repellent is a 44 Magnum, but and then just just just right out with carry on. Yeah, and she way when we fly. We tried very, very, very hard to not have anything but carry on. Even still. Sometimes you get bumped, but it's traveling with suitcases. Unless it's we're going out for three or four weeks. We're not.

spk_1:   7:05
Yeah, you could. Unless it's bicycles or scuba gear. We basically don't check.

spk_0:   7:09
Yeah, well, we don't fly. We don't fly with Skip here. It's just you can't do it. Not the kind of scuba gear, not the kind of toys we play with. And I'm not risking my life on rental equipment. Really kind of kind of stuff. We d'oh, Our stuff is a little what should go underneath open cover and you're not in open water anymore. You really need your own gear.

spk_1:   7:33
Yeah, per cavern and stuff

spk_0:   7:35
stuff that you trained with. So I

spk_1:   7:37
think so. I had to go through my normal bag that I carry with me all the time. I had to go through it this morning and slim out my collection. I had to take out a multi tool. I had to take out a pocket knife. I had two would also take out of there. I had to take my hand Joe out. I could put that in my little court plastic bag. My hand gel sanitizer. Because airplanes are exceptionally germy places.

spk_0:   8:06
Um, you know, I got the bigger knife. Two years. Carrie.

spk_1:   8:11
Yeah, that's a That's a big pocket knife.

spk_0:   8:13
Well, I called out of pocket.

spk_1:   8:16
Well, I used cargo pockets, so I would five

spk_0:   8:22
inch knife. I would not call pocket, but whatever makes you happy. That's tonnage open, but that makes that's a pocket knife to you, honey. Power to you.

spk_1:   8:34
I had to take out the pepper spray. Usually carry. I don't usually can conceal carry a firearm because it's not appreciated everywhere. I have to go in the course of my working day. But I do normally carry a pepper spray pistol,

spk_0:   8:49
which is okay, which is not going to get you fired.

spk_1:   8:53
Yeah, they may not particularly want it there, but that's not something. I They're not going. It's not a felony. They're gonna throw me in jail for that firearms s Oh, that's so I had to take out the pepper spray and I was thinking about how to deal with this one. Is docks bringing some stuff, but also make sure I had fingernail clippers because even TSA does not think Aiken damage anybody with fingernail clippers. And one of the problems that that solves is the ability to cut tape to the right size in the first aid kit. Some of those tapes do not terr terribly well by finger, especially if you're not big strong man.

spk_0:   9:37
Now here's Here's one of my things. I always want to work on electronics. I always use fingernail clippers. I do not use wire strippers because you get a much better feel with a fingernail clipper. I've got a Senate figured out specifically for that, and you're better off. Don't buy the cheap fingernail clippers by the really, really high quality fingers. No clippers, Not necessarily expensive ones, but the high quality ones and they useful for so many things. And in a pinch, you can actually use them to trim your fingernails.

spk_1:   10:04
So we do that too.

spk_0:   10:08
So I've just I've just chuckling here. Should I tell him this? Sure. You always forget to trim your toenails before you go diving. It's a rule. And you're like you put on your diving stuff

spk_1:   10:25
and the way that the, uh the water pressure rises your feet, shoves your dive boots against the front of your toes and you remember. But I cut him this time because the last time, if you're going hiking and the psyching involves mountains half of the time on the mountains, well, less than half the time it half the distance will be going downhill. And if you keep ramming toes into front of boots, your finger down your toenails turn black and fall off.

spk_0:   10:52
Hey, now, one thing if you want to go ahead and look that up on our Web site, we've got an actual article about this.

spk_1:   11:01
Yeah, I learned something about I think it's called, uh, some proper fails and proper winds from my last trip, and that's one of the thing I learned about hiking boots. Is the hiking shoes that I had practiced in like a reasonable person here in Missouri ended up not being the right size. Once I was spending a lot of time on mountains and spending a lot of time going downhill. Both sizes size needs changed. So if you're buying yourself hiking shoes or shoes, you expect to walk in. You might consider buying them half a size bigger or even a size bigger than your normal shoes. I've had to move up a shoe size since I started hiking a lot more because your feet spread out and you need bigger shoes. And they also swell when you hike much. And if they're tight already, tight shoes rub in more ways than than somewhat loose shoes do. I also brought my some special anti rub socks I've got. I've got some anti blister socks I got now 67 years ago now, and I have been using them several times a week for that whole time period, and they're still in good shape. So they ended up being a really good investment, even though they're expensive. They're coming with me because blisters are a serious thing when you have to walk that much

spk_0:   12:24
either seriously ugly socks. But I'll tell you what, Do you stop the blisters?

spk_1:   12:30
Well, they weren't is ugly before. I used them quite so much.

spk_0:   12:35
I don't think I could make it in there.

spk_1:   12:37
I think you better not try. I think that would be a poor way. We

spk_0:   12:41
need to go on pause for just a minute, so we'll be right back.

spk_1:   12:45
So making sure your shoes, they're big enough And you have ah, anti rub socks is important. If you're gonna be hiking much, you could bring filtering water bottles as long as they're empty when you bring them. And I'm a big fan of those for travel. Yeah, because it's much easier to come across water than it is to make sure it's potable

spk_0:   13:04
water. Yes, Doctor Weil dingy.

spk_1:   13:08
She got herself one after our last hiking trip when I was filtering water for both of us and the dog. It's your mind. So, yeah. Oh, what else did I do with my packing? I did make sure. I think everybody ought to be carrying a Sam split in the first aid. A lot of the stuff people put in their first aid kits are comfort items. But if you didn't have them, you'd be basically okay. I mean, hydrocortisone cream is really nice, and I am bringing some. But if it was a choice between the hydrocortisone and the Sam split, I'd bring the Sam split because an itch makes you uncomfortable and the splint can save you serious damage or make you walkable on an injury that wouldn't otherwise be walkable. I've got another post on Sam splints. By the way,

spk_0:   13:57
when you're in the back country, that makes a big deal.

spk_1:   14:00
Since I wrote that last post on Sam splints, I have been the unfortunate observer at a couple of other serious leg injuries. And

spk_0:   14:13
when you're involved in action sports, um, these injuries occur. I mean, you just part of it. I don't know how many broken bones I have seen over the years. I mean, I don't really literally I couldn't count that many, and some of them have been spectacularly bad. And, uh, yeah, you just get used to it. But it is another reason why, when somebody had it had an incident. There were three people there with Pam's plants. It's not funny. You know that three people there was sand splits is kind of a little funny if you think about it because they're already Iraq.

spk_1:   14:50
Well, to be fair, the people I hang out with our volunteer firemen there first responders, their positions, assistance there, nurses. I was the least metal medically capable person there. So, you know, it's kind of crowd I hang out with is part of it, too, So ah, same splint and something to wrap it on with. So it would be well attached. I often carry an ice pack, but one or of the chemical cold packs. But when space and time and squishing his limited as it is here that goes. But the Sam splint on the rap for the Sam Splint is one of things that stayed.

spk_0:   15:34
The other part of this we were talking about hiking drip. Yeah, and that's part of what you got to keep in mind. Is is that this stuff is not just It's not just that you're, ah, flying with the stuff. You gotta pack the stuff around if you're If you're gonna be using it. Hiking and every ounce just really makes a difference.

spk_1:   15:58
Yeah, carrying wait up mountains is more challenging than you might think if you haven't don't a whole lot of it. I'm looking at you £17 dog and got tired halfway up about me. Poppy. Poppy Poppy, £17 less than 12 weeks. OK, but you know, you figure out pretty quickly that weight is a big deal. But also I This is one of the things I put in my first aid kits. Even what? I don't plan to be hiking because it's one of things were if you have to walk anywhere, you know, if something bad happens at the airport and no planes were flying out and I gotta get away from an airport on foot, I'm gonna be walking on things.

spk_0:   16:54
So yeah, it's ah, you know, it's always whatever you're doing, you think that's always compromise, compromise, compromise. So you know, there really is no right answer, but the sure whole lot of wrongs I've

spk_1:   17:06
got a a couple of energy bars and a 1 24 100 calorie day ration.

spk_0:   17:12
You will come back to that in just a minute. The wrong answers. I'm talking about this stuff that's going on, you know, is going to get confiscated by the TSA or that is not in t s A compatible, um, containers. You have to have your You know, they're very specific how you have to do this. So,

spk_1:   17:33
yeah, I am gonna bring my alcohol gel, but I'm gonna put it into my little one quart Ziploc along with my little shampoo and my little hydrocortisone cream and my little toothpaste. Yeah,

spk_0:   17:45
whatever. Well, the big part of this is that the alcohol, hand, hand stuff and cleaner does. Planes are germ factories. They're nasty.

spk_1:   17:56
Yeah, that's why I'm bothering with that.

spk_0:   17:59
You know, I'm not a big regulations person, but I, for one, do not miss smoking on a plane that was horrid. But anyway, long structure, Especially when some people get nervous. A smoke chain smoked nonstop. Oh, and they don't really recirculate the air. They don't pump in new air. So now we're going to die grass just a little bit. And talk about a possible may not happen may not happen. Experiment. She's taking one of those survival day oration nutrition. We're not I don't I don't know what she wants she's got. So there's

spk_1:   18:46
a lot of them that are of similar make,

spk_0:   18:48
and some of them are not.

spk_1:   18:50
And they've got usually half a dozen small blocks, all enclosed in the same vacuum packed shrink wrap, and they call it a 24 hour emergency rations

spk_0:   19:04
Right now, not all of these are created equal. Some have a lot better nutrition in them than others, too. Yeah, some of them are just cookies, which, you know

spk_1:   19:13
this one looks pretty much like a cookie, but it's a one day cookie, and it's, ah, not very heavy thing that's entirely waterproof. But I can stick in my hiking bag and hey, Flash Flood. We can't cross the creek and get back to where we're supposed to go. I guess we'll hang out here overnight until the creek goes down. We'll have something to eat. In the meantime, it's just that level of a deal.

spk_0:   19:36
But she was thinking about actually, and it might happen. Doing a day I've been thinking about doing it to doing a day where I just eat nothing but that you know it goes.

spk_1:   19:46
Do it on a day of hiking in the Rockies and see how that goes. Take. I'm gonna be carrying some stuff anyway and gonna be climbing up and down mountains, carrying a little bit of weight, trying to hike all day with it. I might use nothing but one of those and my filtering water bottle for my day and see how that goes. And if I get motivated enough to pull this Ah, experiment off, I will get back to you. What? The results of how it goes.

spk_0:   20:15
I've been thinking about doing it, but I was going to do it on like a workday, and I may do it. It's the same way you do it next week. I would. If I do it, I'll do it on a work day. And but my work days I'm pretty sedentary in an office guy. So there's that.

spk_1:   20:34
Yeah, that's actually 2400 calories is Maur than I eat on average workday. Even if I do a 20 mile bike ride right before or after

spk_0:   20:44
hiking in the mountains, probably burn some calories.

spk_1:   20:47
Yeah, and it's also matter not just of the sheer number of calories, because, frankly, I got plenty of body fat to keep me to supply enough calories to me. It's about Is it enough sugar? Two. Keep me feeling fueled when I'm working hard. And it's about is it enough food that I don't feel as if I'm starving to death when I have nothing but that to eat for a day?

spk_0:   21:15
Okay, let's kind of do a diversion just a little bit here and talk about because people get this is something that that there's so much bad information about, um, burning calories, burning fat versus burning. What fuel you have in you, my food and stuff like that. Ah, lot of people really misunderstand what it is to burn. You get into burning glycogen. A lot of people don't understand that. And, you know, you say you've got plenty of body fat. Well, that may be true. You are a size four, though, to be fair, you're not a hefty person.

spk_1:   21:58
Everybody who is not anorexic has enough body fat to fuel them because 5% is a very low body fat even for a man. And if it's £150 man and you got 5% fat, you got seven and 1/2 pounds of fat a couple of pounds. £1 of fat is enough calories to fuel even a pretty big guy through a pretty active day.

spk_0:   22:23
Okay, we'll talk about that. But the fast burn stuff,

spk_1:   22:26
Yeah. Ah, when you are going at low levels of activity and mail walking pace on the flat or less, most people can get all the calories they need out of burning fat. And and the only thing that really needs sugar to run on in that circumstance is the brain needs some sugar, your liver make sugar, and it puts it in the bloodstream to feed your brain almost like it's a plan.

spk_0:   22:52
Assuming everything's working, right?

spk_1:   22:53
Yeah, and your it's harder if you're diabetic, for example, it gets weird, right? But so if I didn't have anything to eat and I had to walk all day on the flat, I would be uncomfortable. I would be unhappy, but I wouldn't be dying. But the harder you work, the less likely it becomes that you can fulfill all of your calorie needs through whatever fats and proteins you can scavenge and you more tissues start to need to burn more glucose. Hardworking muscles have to have glucose as a good proportion of their fuel. Glucose is the main blood sugar, so the amount of sugar you have in the blood becomes physically limiting. No matter how motivated and tough you are, there's just not enough glucose in the blood stream necessarily to run everything you are asking your body to do. And when you hit that point, if you're a runner, you'd call that hitting the wall. If you're a cyclist, you call that bunking it.

spk_0:   24:01
I have borne so horribly. It's not even funny. You do not want to, bonk. You really don't want a ball.

spk_1:   24:11
You get stupid, You get clumsy. You get unable to perform. Your judgment gets really, really poor. You get unmotivated of the South, Frankie, if you've never bought

spk_0:   24:22
it, sounds like Al Yeah, yeah. No, it sze rial. I mean, this is a thing.

spk_1:   24:27
Your brain literally cannot work Well, when it doesn't have enough fuel.

spk_0:   24:32
I have literally bunks so hard I fell off my bicycle, this truth and

spk_1:   24:39
on a flat trail

spk_0:   24:40
on a flat trail.

spk_1:   24:41
Yeah, and then he lay there kind of blinking al wish Lee and looking up at me and I'm like, dude you are so blocked. Yeah, I could make it. Just that couple extra miles to to the end. No, you this really

spk_0:   24:59
you upon your bugged? Horribly,

spk_1:   25:02
Because people get so stupid that they make bad judgments like that. No, I'm fine. No, you're not. Eat this. Um, so, yeah, you want to have enough fuel to be able to do everything you need to do and still have your brain run properly. And that is an issue that is an ability that improves with practice. So people who ah challenge themselves physically more often are gonna be better able to withstand that kind of stress than people who don't. But it's still thing. There is one other travel thing I wanted to bring up before I forget it, though, obviously, to get on an airplane, you need high quality, government sponsored photo ID's to be able to get on the airplane. So I'm bringing two sets that my driver's license and I've got my passport card. One of them is going in my bag, which is where I usually carry stuff and where my wallet will be, It will be in my wallet and the other one is going deep in a pocket that would be very difficult to pickpocket. So any one tragic theft doesn't leave me unable to get home because I can't get on the airplane. I have a bunch of cash and it's split into four or five different places with $100 or so at each different place. So no matter what gets stolen, I still have a decent stock of cash. Yeah, my person,

spk_0:   26:30
we have kind of a deal, but we like to do. We like to take enough cash to pay for a rental car and all the gas it will take to get home. That's about the amount of cash you want to have. Um, even though in this situation where she's gonna be with Doc, you know, it's not that big of a deal. But, you know, things can happen. Doc may not make it. You know, who knows? And, uh, yeah, it happens. So we like to have enough cash to get home.

spk_1:   27:04
And emergencies do tend to take cash, right? Especially if credit

spk_0:   27:08
cards, not where it's hop on a train. You know, it's get on a bus, whatever it takes.

spk_1:   27:14
Speaking of the credit cards I took extras out of my wallet. I reported to the credit card companies that I was going and where I was going. Yes. No, actually, I told them I was going to Wyoming Where Park actually work.

spk_0:   27:29
I keep thinking you're in Colorado was last trip.

spk_1:   27:32
Yeah. So, um, reported him to the credit cards so my credit cards don't get cut off. I got stuck by that once When I was no, I even I didn't know it was a thing that they would get suspicious because I was using my credit card from a different state. And I What? I write down credit card numbers so I can keep him on my person. I have a coding system so I can look at the number. And I know what mathematical transformation I have to make to make that the real number. And it's always the same coding system, so I don't forget what it is, but I don't like just writing down that kind of number and sticking it in my pocket. So if I lose that piece of paper for my pocket, I don't know who might have my credit card

spk_0:   28:14
numbers like me. I keep a monster password file with all of my passwords in it. But it's in a code that only I know what it ISS and I will never forget. I mean, it's to me. It's an obvious code, but like, for example, my password, it's not. But if I say my password was, ah, Capital P the rest of your name password, you know? So it's just password. 1234 And by the way, don't ever use that is the most password is the most tried password and past food. 1234 is the second most tried

spk_1:   28:56
for the one Decker's required

spk_0:   28:59
just. But we're gonna use these an example. Um, So what I would do is I would take that password and I would memorize one thing about it and then compared to my other passwords and find one thing that that all passwords have. Well, I'll let you figure out what that is going to tell you what my coat is. And every password that I make has the same pattern so that I know what it is instantly, and you can't guess it. Yeah, making it a little bit, but I don't want to tell you what my passwords are.

spk_1:   29:43
I do. Ah, mathematical transformation on my numbers. Where's because there are so many possible mathematical transformations? I can't imagine somebody having the patience to go through a whole bunch of them to figure out which of these simple ones I'm using. I'm imagine if somebody picks that up in seas. Oh, I bet that's our credit card number and tries the credit card number. And it doesn't work. They're probably gonna lose interest in going to somebody who's easier to steal from because me off your thief, you're basically about not working for things. It seems to me. So

spk_0:   30:19
I will tell you one thing I did do, I thought was kind of funny. I built in a in one of my codes. What's my password? Toads? A phone number. And if the person waas curious enough to call the phone number would get the Chicago office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. So you call the number of the FBI pick up the phone. I just thought that would be kind of a funny thing happened here, but anyway, so we're trying to steal my password. They called the FBI. Hey. Okay,

spk_1:   30:58
So I've got the phone numbers and the credit card numbers, So if I need to cancel it because my wallet goes away, I have the ability to do that. I've got two cards in case I one gets hacked or lost or something. I've got another I actually overheard just randomly, a couple of people standing next to me the other day. One was telling a horror story about how the time they went to Europe with only one credit card and the credit card got declined. And and the major drama they were in I'm like, Seriously, You went international with only one source of funds, and that was a credit card that somebody could steal her hack.

spk_0:   31:41
I don't think that person was the brightest bulb on the tree.

spk_1:   31:48
I don't think so, either. Despite that person's PhD,

spk_0:   31:51
that doesn't mean they're the vibrators belong The tree.

spk_1:   31:55
Yeah, yeah, that's quite true. If you have to have it. If it's mission critical, have more than one. My spare set in a pair of glasses. We'll be in there. I might even find a room for a second spare pair because I am just that blind. Yes, without him.

spk_0:   32:14
We actually carry multiple pairs of glasses. I usually have a pair of sunglasses and an extra pair of regular glasses. Both. She doesn't like to wear sunglasses. So you one thing getting back to the credit card. One thing I do with the credit cards. We have credit cards that we pay over. You know, all the credit card bills get paid on. No, I don't want to mess around with the like, Bill. You know what gets to me? I think that I won't have to write him a check, so I put it on a credit card. Okay, that credit card never leaves the safe so that if some of my other credit cards and I lose my wallet, my wallet gets stolen while I'm out traveling around. I don't have to cancel the one with 15 auto payments on it.

spk_1:   33:04
It's possible that we learned this one the hard way, just saying

spk_0:   33:07
Yeah, and not only do they do that, I use the one that I get really good miles on where it's my American Airlines card, which is you probably shouldn't have said that, but it really doesn't matter number, but I get miles and this is the kind of thing people say. Oh yeah, but you're getting You're getting blah, blah, blah. She's flying round trip to Colorado. Wyoming

spk_1:   33:31
there. Go

spk_0:   33:32
on for miles. Boom, pray free trip.

spk_1:   33:37
If you have prescription medication that you have to have, I would, uh, take two stocks of it in separate containers, as I do for the passport and the driver's license. Keep men separate spots. So if you lose one source, you've still got another source that has saved our tail in the past when some forgetful individual who might be named after a spice

spk_0:   34:04
yeah, cutting more silage

spk_1:   34:08
accidentally left our prescription meds at home. But I had a backup stock in the emergency kit, so we were all right with it. Fortunately, I don't have any prescription meds that I have to have, so I'm only I don't have to worry about that, But when we travel with stuff that we really gotta have it, it gets split into two separate containers. It's the whole two is one. Philosophy is not new to preppers, but this is just some ways I apply it when I'm traveling. That reduces the level of drama. If something goes wrong when I travel

spk_0:   34:46
another field with. We're seeing lots of fields getting cut up into silence because the crop just didn't work.

spk_1:   34:52
Corn crop failed. It's all it's good for is chopping it up into according salad and feeding its cattle.

spk_0:   35:01
So, yeah, we could hear our digression, digression, aggression. That's a

spk_1:   35:10
word. That's the word.

spk_0:   35:12
There's a digression for today. Back in the eighties, early nineties credit cards were not nearly so much of a thing. I had one, you know. I have one. It was, you know, not that much of a thing. And I had that thing and I kept it in my little put my luggage, actually, and we were going to Kansas City. But before we left, I was asked by a friend of mine who owned a convertible two, uh, drive the convertible with the homecoming candidates in the parade. So, you know, the wife came with me. We're just gonna leave right after the parade. Yeah, Somebody else was covering the game that night or so. I don't remember when I wasn't working for any newspapers at that particular time. So anyway, we drove in the parade. We got our car. We drove to Kansas City and it stopped for tea, Get some gas, and I realized I had left my wallet and all the cash in the glove box of that stupid convertible.

spk_1:   36:29
Yeah, This is not a point in our life where we could have extra piles of $20 bills to secret here and there in case of emergency. Right? We were pretty close. We were more along the lines of being able to see create extra packages of ramen noodles here and there in case of emergency was about our financial state. This is our big drama vacation.

spk_0:   36:51
Yeah, this is our weekend out. So we went to We did. I did have, however, the credit card in my wallet, But most places did not take credit cards back then. The gas stations did, but restaurants, they just didn't take it.

spk_1:   37:05
Nicer restaurants did

spk_0:   37:07
the nicer ones that

spk_1:   37:08
look fast food did not

spk_0:   37:09
favor there. Now there was no. And then we usually ate fast food because we're poor. And, um,

spk_1:   37:17
not that trip, by golly,

spk_0:   37:18
way had $5 in cash, $5 we had to find things in Kansas City that we could do for a weekend that were either free. It would take your credit card. And that was not an easy thing to dio. I mean, there's not a whole lot free. There you go, the park. But you know

spk_1:   37:40
ST Louis would have been

spk_0:   37:42
Yeah, much better, cause Forest Park, all the stuff in Forest Park downtown is free. And, uh, yeah, really. All the stuff. The art museum, the Science Center, History Museum of the History Museum. All free. Of course, there wasn't a history museum at the time, But all that stuff in force park is free and will remain free because that's part of

spk_1:   38:03
my statue.

spk_0:   38:04
Statue s. So you want to go to ST Louis Zoo? Doesn't cost you a dime now. Parking if you wanna park in their parking lots. Cost you 10 bucks or whatever it is. But you could park on the side of the road if you get there early enough. And even the stuff there like a few specialty things that they have, like petting the stingrays and stuff like that. The Children's zoo is a little bit of a fee. If you go there before 9 a.m. Everything is free. So if you're looking for a year in the Midwest and you're looking for something to do with the kids and stuff like that, the ST Louis views ooh isn't excellent zoo to start with. It is the best freezer in America has raided by everybody. It's one of the top zoos straight up, but it's free, and then you could take him to the zoo in the morning and take him to the science center in the afternoon. It's a fantastic science at her entirely free

spk_1:   38:58
and have a picnic in four Spark in between Parker, who did that a lot when I and my eight siblings were, you hung because it was too expensive to take us places. The

spk_0:   39:10
trick is to park on the Forest Park side of the science center. There's there's a science center, it goes. There's a like a connection that goes across the across the interstate from Forest Park across the interstate. You know it's a tunnel or overpass overpass pedestrian overpass park on the Forest Park site, and it's free just telling you these are free things you can do. ST Louis is a very good time of it. Kansas City not so much. The zoo cost money. Pretty much everything. Lost money in Kansas City

spk_1:   39:40
except the art Museum.

spk_0:   39:41
Except for the Nelson Atkins which

spk_1:   39:44
rocks fracture Saxon.

spk_0:   39:47
Oh, you know, you can use a paid parking. The Nelson Atkins is one of the top art museums in the world. I mean, it is literally blow your mind good. Especially if you like the older, uh, great grandmasters, the old Masters, the Italians, the Renaissance. You like Impressionism?

spk_1:   40:13
The Dutch Masters. Aaron.

spk_0:   40:14
Oh, it's just Yeah, amazing. And they got one of the biggest collections of Egypt stuff outside of Egypt

spk_1:   40:23
and medieval arms

spk_0:   40:24
and medieval art. Elliot. I was just the day Nelson Atkins is a two day visit in and of itself,

spk_1:   40:30
very, very nice place

spk_0:   40:32
at the time. Also, the World War One memorial was free. It's no longer, but it's much. It's really cool more if you're in the World War One or veterans stuff the world. One more moral is another one that's highly recommended, but it is not free. So, yeah, we spent that weekend eating a lot of Denny's. You did take credit cards, so shack your wallet, scroll away that bucks in various different places.

spk_1:   41:06
If you might be walking, put some of your clothing in Ziploc bags to make it waterproof. Yes, some of the stuff I'm hiking with is I'm taking a extra suit of clothes and part of the clothes I regularly packed for my trip. But it is it blocks. So should I slipped crossing one of these streams or tip the canoe hour out on the lake? One. If you're in a canoe, everything gets physically attached to the canoe. So if you flip the canoe, you don't lose all your stuff. I learned that trick early in life and to, um, everything important is gonna be in waterproof containers. So you don't You could get hypothermia pretty fast if you're wet. If you have dry clothes to change into not nearly as bad.

spk_0:   41:58
Okay, Missouri hillbilly tip. If you are a person who likes free beer, you know, from going on this, I can tell you where to get all of the free beer you want, and it's very cold. Now you will get cold and you will get wet getting this beer. But I can tell you exactly how to get what you do is you go to the to the more of the headwater end of the current river

spk_1:   42:35
on after it's been a wet spring, it's been raining some. So the freaks, I Yeah,

spk_0:   42:42
but the water is still pretty clear and you get in the tube and you start floating down. And then you come to these places where they get logs or rocks or something like that, where the canoeists will hit and tip over and their beer will fall out of their coolers into the river. So you just go beer diving and you could get me a beer, floats. The beer floats that they're not. Everything flows. There's other stuff.

spk_1:   43:13
Okay, the beer in bottles sinks the beer in aluminum floats,

spk_0:   43:17
which we don't care about the bottles with what matters?

spk_1:   43:24
Well, I was in a different crowd than you. We were mostly Oh, wait, Did I Did I say we were just picking up the bottles? They cans that were floating along beside it?

spk_0:   43:34
Yeah. I mean, really, literally be paddle over, Grab a can paddle over. Gonna can jump out, go down for the six pack. Not that any of us as kids did this because that would be wrong.

spk_1:   43:48
We were under age. That would be appropriate

spk_0:   43:51
long. That would be a moral.

spk_1:   43:53
We were just cleaning up litter on the river.

spk_0:   43:54
Absolutely, way were part of the stream. T There really is a stream team

spk_1:   44:01
that might have been the Anheuser Busch Stream team. But stream thing?

spk_0:   44:06
Yeah, that's the downside is almost all the beer you will find in the flotsam and jetsam of the current river is an Anheuser Busch products. So there's That's the downside of it. It bless Europe like So I

spk_1:   44:20
guess we got an extra digression in this one anyway.

spk_0:   44:23
Yeah, but pressing right along, that's that's a hillbilly way of getting your beer for free. Besides, you couldn't we were on a tube is worth doing all by itself. Excellent float, because there's generally water in it. Unlike some other rivers I could name.

spk_1:   44:44
He's not bitter over that hole in the A bar experience. Really,

spk_0:   44:48
No, no bar experience was pressing right a lot. You don't know by river in in Nebraska. South Dakota's gorgeous. When there's water,

spk_1:   44:58
Absolutely do it when it's heads decent rain lately, you know. Don't don't try during a drought. No. Yeah, So,

spk_0:   45:06
unless you like hearing canoes over anywhere, uh, we assaulting and spice figured out one. We've learned things that we should do together and shoot things that we should not do together. Canoeing is a no. We were to say, Yeah, this isn't no,

spk_1:   45:25
Let's say when I'm going canoeing next week. I'm doing it with Doc.

spk_0:   45:29
Yes. Canoeing with me isn't No. First of all, we're physically so different that the canoes is like where she sits up out of the air. But even still

spk_1:   45:39
might end of the canoe is literally not in the water.

spk_0:   45:44
Were a size difference is that big? So don't do that.

spk_1:   45:50
Yeah. So, uh, that's basically the preparations I made thinking about both the flight and the the fact that I'm going to be hiking after that.

spk_0:   46:02
And this is beside the obvious stuff. Obviously, we're comfortable. Clothing do not wear overalls. How much metal is set? Overall,

spk_1:   46:11
Analysts, You enjoy being felt up by strangers. When you go through security, Do you know where overall

spk_0:   46:15
easy shoes to remove?

spk_1:   46:19
Well, I gotta wear my hikers because they're too big to fit in back back, So they're real,

spk_0:   46:24
but they're still you know

spk_1:   46:25
they're not bad.

spk_0:   46:28
So anyway, and, uh, that's those are our tips for travel. I hope you enjoyed it. And those are our tips for getting free beer on the current river. I hope you enjoyed it. Diaper the bottles good at it. Go for the bottles. You get a cold, but you get ice cold bottles. You think you heard me?

spk_1:   46:54
Um, I don't know, but the ones who turned it up have the best shot at the bottles, and everybody else can drink from the cans.

spk_0:   47:01
Uh, all right,

spk_1:   47:04
have fun, guys.