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Hello, everybody.

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Hello, everybody. And welcome to the show The big show. We were driving across North Missouri today Show because well, we're driving across North Missouri. Welcome to the show we got We got a big big schedule of of, ah,

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hiking related posts. Take You

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totally blacked out there. So let's get right down to one. We're gonna talk about blisters. Blistered her

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now like

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blisters. We love blister

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both my hiking. I just came back from a big hiking vacation. By big I mean about 100 miles in a week of hiking in the mountains

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up there

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with packs

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and problems leaves

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Prague, Gordon's and Grizzlies and Bison's and

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no moves.

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All sorts of cool things loses, loses. You're not mean, but anyway just got back. And my hiking partner is a more experienced an accomplished hiker than I. So I learned a lot, and I practiced a lot of things, and I'm trying to share with you. Said the things I learned since a lot of preppers are aware that a few other is our method of transport of last resort.

spk_1:   1:17
Well, that was loud. In case you just curious. That's what happens when you get passed by people with Harley Davidson's card. It?

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Yeah, they kind of blew my train of thought a little bit. So both of us had good choose that were well broken in. And we had good socks elections because both of us had practiced ahead of time to find combinations that worked for us because we didn't want to blame ourselves. Andrew, the last half of vacation by being blamed. I don't

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want to be a lamer than you. Normally your uh yeah. Like that joke. Like that joke.

spk_0:   2:03
Okay, just checking. So first thing, make sure you've got shoes. You can walk a long way in and make sure you've got socks that you can walk a long way in. Make sure both of those are still things you can walk a long way in when wet. Because that's another thing that I discovered. Sorry. Have to readjust. My head said I have to do it because it was falling down my face because you do get what? Even when it's fairly dry territory. And you wouldn't think you would You find ways when you walk Enough miles? I found lots of ways.

spk_1:   2:40
Okay, now, no. Well, I'll throw in my cabbie out here. Also, all gear should be designed to be wet to dry, and all gear should be designed to be. If you're doing this for, you know, this is what you're trying to. You want to remain as uninjured as you can. And comfort is a way to keep yourself uninjured. If you're comfortable, you're not getting her.

spk_0:   3:04
If you seriously blister up your feet and the first day of a bug out, you are going to significantly decrease your mileage on the other days of the bug out. And you're putting yourself at risk for serious infections. So this isn't just a you like a little blister on my finger thing. This is a I may be hobbled and unable to do the kinds of distance I need to do to get the heck out of here.

spk_1:   3:28
Just may cost you and your family your life. And now here's the kicker, too. We're not just talking about you we're talking about. If you're gonna bug out my foot, this is what your what your plan is or your contingency plan or plan F but still a plan. What she's talking about me is not just her. But every member of her group, her family, has to be the same situation. Because if one person gets the blister, you've all got wth e reduction in speed.

spk_0:   4:05
So my, uh, friend Doc is in fact a physician. And she's somebody who does 26 mile marathon level hikes in deep sand for all things for sport, no less.

spk_1:   4:19
Well, you weren't that far off from marathon hikes in the mountains.

spk_0:   4:22
No, but the footing was better than the deep sand.

spk_1:   4:26
Yeah, but the 13,000 feet also.

spk_0:   4:30
Yeah, well, but anyway, she knows a lot about blisters and how to deal with them. And when you walk lots of miles, day after day, blisters and sore spots and things can happen. But the first thing you do is reduce him by getting shoes and socks that work that work on the kind of terrain you're gonna be on. And that work one wet. I did some 15 plus miles was completely soaked shoes on one of these hikes because five miles in there was a stream crossing. So there you go. And it was too bad a footing for me to want to do barefoot. So make sure it works When what I did check out what Doc had in her blister kit and her first aid kit and includes a blister kit. It's a very tiny kid, so it adds almost no way.

spk_1:   5:21
Yeah, but it's not ours.

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We do. We do. They have these things called tau trainers for people who tend to get bunions and stuff because their toes wanna run under each other when they walk. They're little bands that you put on two adjacent toes and you buy them at a regular pharmaceutical. Walgreens. Places like that. She didn't remember exactly where she got it, but since there was a CVS on the package, I have my suspicions. So these toe trainer things are useful for blisters on the toes because what happened to me is I had a couple of toes that got to rub in together on one of the is the 22 mile day. I think it was. I got my toes rubbing together a little bit and got a blister on one of them. So the next day I just put a little bit of lamb's wool, which is nice because it's still effective. One wet and although you could use cotton, you could use tissue I did on a different day when I forgot to put the lamb's wool in. It doesn't work as well. After gets what? So a little bit of lamb's wool, which you could also buy it the same kind of pharmacy sort of places, but that little bit of lamb's wool between the two toes that are rubbing together, preferably before they blister. If you're walking and you think you might be getting a blister, you're getting a blister. You might be better off to stop and take care of it. Then then the let it develop and have a real issue that's going to take days to be walkable at optimal walking speed. So but the lamb's wool in between the Tito's so they quit, rub it on each other. And then you put the little a band called the tow trainer around those two toes so they stay still relative to each other Before you put on the shoe and sock the next day, and I was golden. That blister didn't even pop it. It filled up with fluid pretty good the first day, but it went down some overnight, and I treated it this way, and it's done nothing but improve ever since. Eventually the outer layer of skin will slough off, but by then, the skin underneath will no longer be this raw Durmus. That's gonna change into a bloody mess as soon as it gets rubbed on.

spk_1:   7:31
Okay, let's put on your physiologist hat. What exactly is a blister?

spk_0:   7:35
You got various layers in the skin. The cells of the various layers have connective tissue proteins that connect them one to another. When you have a side to side friction like you're trying to repeatedly trying to pull the skin across the surface of the foot, you're getting a sheer friction between those layers of skin and the connective tissue. Proteins that are holding the layers together rip, and one layer of skin starts sliding over the top of the other layer. It causes a little damage. The immune system comes in. You get what is essentially swelling, but it collects in the space you've made between the two loose layers of skin and that bubble of, ah, lymph fluid or interstitial fluid that clicks in there. You could call it an exit date at that point is, the layer of exit date is the blister fluid.

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Sorry. We had a slight detour. So we're good. Keep going.

spk_0:   8:40
Yeah, I was wondering. So that's what it is. You just separate layers of skin a little bit. It collects a little bit of fluid because the immune system does that whenever you got a little bit of injury. That's what a blister is. You can pop blisters to drain them if you're gonna do that, Doc, head a Ah. She offered me a place clean, um, pin safety pin that she keeps in the kit for that purpose. If you need to open a blister because she suggested that I not slice it open because the more skin you can keep over the damaged area, the better. So a poke is better. But you absolutely want to do it with something clean, because that fluid has access to your bloodstream.

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Okay, we're gonna take a short pause. We're at a, uh, come store. So cool.

spk_0:   9:34
So for the blister kit, you got toe trainers. You got a little bit of lamb's wool which can be reused. Put between the toes, reduce friction. Um, if you're gonna pop this sucker, pop it with a pin, but Doc doesn't, and I don't. If the blister gets so rounded and full and tight with fluid that you can't walk on it, then sometimes you gotta pop it. But if you can get by without popping it, some of the fluid will re absorb overnight. Once you get off of it generally and

spk_1:   10:10
they will go into your lymphatic system

spk_0:   10:12
and it will go into your lymphatic system. He's been living with a physiologist for a while now.

spk_1:   10:17
We'll go directly to your lymphatic system. You want to learn all about the lymphatic system. I can tell you how this is the best way. There's a movie about shrinking a bunch of scientists into a little submarine and sticking with side of guy's body toe. Thio curium Fantastic Voyage is what it's called the sixties movie Raquel Welch and suspects when she was in her prime. I don't really remember much. I Also the movie other than lymphatic system is somewhere. If you're in a tiny suffering inside of a person, you do not want to be sucked into,

spk_0:   10:52
because that's where your immune system hangs out. A lot of it, so Yeah,

spk_1:   10:57
and it looks the pathway sucks your little it or not Self look, just like, um, stage doors with Tauron sheets blowing inside. That's what the lymphatic system looks like. Apparently, because this was a really, really accurate movie.

spk_0:   11:22
Yeah, for the miniature submarine being injected into the brain, you had to get you had to

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get the thing out because the miniaturization only lasted so long and

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not good for the patient to be

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good for the patient of the submarine turns back into full size.

spk_0:   11:36
Well, it's in your head.

spk_1:   11:37
Yeah, that's just bad.

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Yeah. So yeah.

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So, yeah,

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Don't pop the blisters, if you can avoid it is my way to go. And if you do have to relieve the fluid out of the blisters, leave as much skin over him as possible to reduce the chance of infection. Unless you get dirt caught up under some of that dead skin and then you want to go ahead and ah, for shit out. Get it out of there and bandage it up and over.

spk_1:   12:07
Do you want any anti material stuff for

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antibiotic ointment? If the blister breaks then and you don't have a cover of skin over it. For whatever reason, then you want antibiotic ointment over the place where the raw skin is expected.

spk_1:   12:22
He's just got a raw wound like skinning yourself,

spk_0:   12:25
and you treat it like any other role wound. Yeah, but she likes to carry lidocaine if she's gotta walk further on it. Sometimes during these really long hike, she gets blister on the middle. She puts a blighted cane on it. That'll help her get back. You got to get back to the car. Guess even when you're hiking for fun, you got to get back to the car.

spk_1:   12:47
Lana Kane is interesting stuff, and I'm a big believer in light of cane. Uh, you can have the lidocaine cream. It's over the counter stuff, but, like, ain't really works. And so I'm thinking it's a really good thing to have in a first Aid kit. But again, it's one of those deals were, um, I'm not sure it was. If you're on a day hike, I'm not sure I'd carry it with me on a day hike. I carry it with me in my in my back at the hotel equipment, because everything you add is wait and we get is bad.

spk_0:   13:20
Neither one of us carried lidocaine on the hike for this one. She's she done it on the marathon level, hikes in the sand, which causes horrendous blisters. And she wanted finish, So she brought a lot of pain, but mostly not so what? Cain's an option, but it's not one I generally find worth the wait. The other thing is most skin most gin is. It's kind of like a tape, which has adhesive on one side. And then it's got various thicknesses or levels of spongy nous, depending on which one you buy. And then it's got a, uh, another surface on the other side. The idea is, you get the mole skin and you cut it to put it like in a doughnut around where the blister is, because it helps reduce contact of the shoe and sock with blister surface. You can put most skin on a spot when you start to get a hot spot before it's an actual blister is the best time to use the mole skin because then you don't get the actual blister because you're taking pressure off it. But if you already do have a blister. You could most get around that, too. And it greatly increases your ability to walk with the blister because you're not just scraping the whole weight of your shoe against it with every step, which will really shorten your stride after a while. Or it will totally rip up the raw skin if you try and tough it out. So

spk_1:   14:51
my blister expertise is not very helpful. I was a drum corps kid. Little sisters. We had real problems with blisters because we're playing 68 hours a day every day for, uh, four moves, and you developed quite the setup blisters on your lips So I could tell you, exactly how did. I don't know exactly how to use the product bliss tax perfectly, But that does not help you defeat

spk_0:   15:25
not a big bug out issue probably

spk_1:   15:28
know. Yeah, but, uh, something that should be in everybody's bug out kit that you may not be thinking of is not only, um, lip salve the chapstick stuff. Yeah, but get the lip balm that has sunscreen built into it. Make a dual purpose. So you put on your lip balm for the for the Did you make the stuff. Put on lip balm. The problem. Bomb with sunscreen. Keep your lips from burning.

spk_0:   16:05
Yeah, If you're not out in the sun a lot, that could be a giant issue. I don't use it because I'm out in the sun. Ah, lot

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were of us.

spk_0:   16:12
And I'm son adapted, so I don't tend to burn.

spk_1:   16:15
But if you're an indoor person trying to get an outdoor person, do not misunderestimate the importance of, um, skin, uh, sunscreen, Yeah, especially if you're going into the mountains because there's less atmosphere between you and the sky.

spk_0:   16:32
And it's more deceptive because the air is cooler because it's thinner and you don't notice the strength of the sun as much as you do as when it's making you really hot

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or on water.

spk_0:   16:46
Yeah, we're on the water. So my my, uh, hiking partner, I was actually starting to have a problem with that, and she used, uh, she happened, have some lipstick in her purse. Heaven knows why. Because she almost never wears the stuff. But you did happen to have some of the stuff. So here we are at all are hiking grubby clothes, bison dirt all over him, and everything else but bison. Turk. Yeah. If you get bison on the ground and they turn up the ground and they add their own special ambience to it, what you get is bison dirt. Payson Dirt. Yeah, and we had plenty of that honest, but by golly, she had her lipstick on. And it's because it works as a partial sunscreen and look moisturizer if you don't have anything else so you know, make do.

spk_1:   17:44
All right. Well, there you go. Blisters it. Don't underestimate the importance of proper fitting shoes. Do not underestimate the importance of having those shoes broken in. And, of course, do not underestimate the importance of having a good pair of blister reducing socks. They make actual socks that do this is that make him on purpose. She wears them when she's hiking. She wears them when she's skating,

spk_0:   18:11
and they have saved me a ton of blisters because whenever I forget to wear them and I go for a long skate, I still tend to get blisters, but I almost never forget them. I've got a couple pair, and I've been wearing the hack at him for years. They were expensive, but they lasted forever,

spk_1:   18:27
so there were, and we will talk to you later.

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But by