spk_1:   0:01
Hello, everybody.

spk_0:   0:02
Hello, everybody. Welcome to the show The big show. The most important quickly. But guess that is recorded in our vehicle as we are driving now. The road right now we are. It's another day, it's another dollar and we are driving away from the police. We just winding. Did an inspection of it just I really do anything there. We just inspected to make sure that everything was fine and everything was fine. And check on the health of the plants. The tree, you see, the apples are ready to pick their not, not surprisingly, take a look at the trees basically and seeing if we had water and or slash no, a

spk_1:   0:40
little bit of each is eternal. So that's next week.

spk_0:   0:44
Pressing right along. We found no big disastrous. We went out to the place. There was Katrina had not hit our place.

spk_1:   0:56
That would be disastrous,

spk_0:   0:58
saying that we're over 1000 miles in land from any of the any coastal area. That's not a big shock

spk_1:   1:05
and importantly, located above sea level

spk_0:   1:08
and importantly, located above sea level, not like every place in America. Now let's be fair. There is below sea level in there below sea level, for example, Death Valley is way below sea level but

spk_1:   1:23
surrounded by tall mountains that create a rain shield.

spk_0:   1:26
So so, yeah, so there's no there's no see there. And the New Orleans Not so much. We are about 950 feet above sea level. Now we do get hurricanes in reserve. We get the blowout of hurricanes, and, uh, they could brain 68 inches of rain in a niche and our type rainstorms with the hurricanes hit us. But that's the worst of it. The thunderstorm is pretty much gone. It's just a heavy, drenching rains that we get in this kind of rare. Remember, Hurricane Ike really hit us pretty hard, but not nearly as hard. The coach will regions.

spk_1:   2:16
Yeah, it's nothing like that.

spk_0:   2:17
It's, for example, Katrina. I didn't even cause us a Sprinkle. It didn't come our way, even though it hit. Summer is the country with, as we all know, devastating, devastating results, and we have our hiking, my wife's spices. Hi, hiking partner Doc. She's a physician, and she's also a person who was heavily involved in the Cacique Katrina disaster. She

spk_1:   2:55
was part of the post Katrina emergency relief that went down there starting within 24 hours of the worst of the events. As soon as I saw it was going to be that level of disaster, they started calling people. She was on the list. They called. She was very shortly down there. Stay down there for over a month.

spk_0:   3:16
So we basically used the opportunity of a spice being on a long hiking trip with her to get some of her post Katrina thoughts and maybe some tips for you all in the prepping community. So here's some of the things that she talked. I I have not got any information on any of this, so I'm going to be learning along with you.

spk_1:   3:38
Some of these things will sound familiar to you. Salty, but she got them both from There's three basic sources of information. One. She took a look at how and why people died in the disaster. Also, she talked to a lot of survivors in the area about their experiences.

spk_0:   3:59
Remember, she's a medical doctor

spk_1:   4:03
and she was there preciously, obviously and third as part of the emergency responders. She was part of the early part early wave of the massive group of people who went down there to support and help rebuild and logistical support for those teams was extremely sketchy to begin with. So they were also living in refugee type conditions in the medical camps. So those are the three main places she drew this information from when I asked her why so many people died in it. Her number one reason was their pets.

spk_0:   4:49
And that does not surprise me even slightly.

spk_1:   4:52
Most common reason people died is they wouldn't leave their pets. And a lot of these people were down on the low lands. When the levee broke, the water came up very quickly. Ah, large number of people actually drowned in their own addicts. Um, in a little twist of fate, most of the pets did not die with them because when push came to shove and it was leave or drowned, the pets generally left, apparently because they weren't there with the owners drowned in the addicts. So having a plan for your pets would actually have another post on this we can link to year. We put up some thoughts on this before because it had occurred to us But that's what she said. The number one problem was his people would not leave their pets. So have a plan.

spk_0:   5:47
Now I know part of this waas. They had shelters starting to become available, but the shelters would not allow paths.

spk_1:   5:54
And some of the people would not evacuate because they could not take their pets with, um, the evacuation buses wouldn't take pets.

spk_0:   6:00
This is something that has changed as a as a lesson learned from Katrina. So I don't know all the specifics, and I think it might be something I might want to research for a future article. What has changed? But

spk_1:   6:19
Doc was a small part of that Dr

spk_0:   6:22
Recognized, and the emergency management people recognized that this is a ridiculous recent for people to die and something needed to be done.

spk_1:   6:36
The Humane Society. For its part, it now has a emergency response plan for helping people to have somewhere to put their pets to Kendall their pets. When they have to withdraw the shelters so they can come in, the pets can come and everybody can survive. So Doc herself, in response to this, developed a emergency response plan of her own. That now includes per pets, so she'll be able to take them with her. She's got the means, and she's got some emergency supplies, forum and stuff so the pets can come. So that was part of it. It's one of the things she wanted to pass along, another main reason for problems. She called it herd mentality and that not meaning to be sexist. But this is in part a guy thing. When guys getting groups, they one person does not want to be seen as the weak one who is calling for caution and things like that. People who should have known better first responders were doing stupid and not taking appropriate precautions because they didn't want to get ridiculed by the other members of the group. And she, being one of the few may be the only women in the group, felt free to go ahead and say, Uh, no, I'm gonna go ahead and put this case of water back here, and I'm gonna go ahead and toss in this bunch of extra rations here because you know, it's a disaster area and we might not be able to get back, and there's not a lot of food or water out there.

spk_0:   8:17
I've got I've got a personal situation where we've told the story before where we were actually working on the levees or the 93 flood. The river was up. I mean, it was

spk_1:   8:33
yes, lapping at her ankle

spk_0:   8:34
incident or egg lure

spk_1:   8:35
on top of the levee

spk_0:   8:36
atop Lola. It was up on the boards that people had put up above the levee and sandbagged into place. It was on the board. It was actually over the top, the levee, and onto the onto the extension that we had built and the authorities came, it started passing out life vests, literally gone to some place that had a touring company. I think it was from I think it was from the Wisconsin Dells or something. They've been gone and found a supplier of loner life vests from, like the Dells boats or something. So please like that and gotten all these extra life jackets. They're big, they're bulky. They're uncomfortable because they're just They're just but, you know, you have on a boat, and the authorities came and started passing them out, and one of the men standing next to me says, I don't know where that I'm a good swimmer becomes that the town mayor was a person who was passing these out. Said there are two options. You put it on or we thank you and you go home. Those are the options. We're not having anybody down here that doesn't have a life vest, period.

spk_1:   9:59
Not that I had a giant amount of faith in the efficacy of life s when you're on a hugely flood stage River at night on the Mississippi. But, you know, it was better than nothing.

spk_0:   10:11
And, well, this will get your attention when you're you're sandbagging the Mississippi. Now, this isn't just some little green. This is the mighty Mississippi here,

spk_1:   10:24
and it's now two miles wide when it should be only one. That

spk_0:   10:28
night that night it broke on the other side

spk_1:   10:37
and 11 across the river.

spk_0:   10:40
And the river instantly droplets six feet where we were

spk_1:   10:45
not quite that much,

spk_0:   10:46
but slowly, slowly came back up. Yeah, I mean, we were gonna lose it that night. It was gonna go over us. I just They were not far from pulling us out, but anyway So But you saw this. You saw this The mail. I'm know I'm going somewhere where I don't need No, you should get it or you're going.

spk_1:   11:06
Yeah, and it's easy. The the guys get into a thing. It's it honestly is. Often the guys get into a thing where they make fun of anybody who is promoting caution or thinking, you know? Hey, maybe we do know actually need to get out of here. The other main reason people wouldn't leave is because hey, all my neighbors were staying and they act like you're being a weak or afraid or something. If you evacuate, they say they're gonna be tough and hang it out. I guess I better be tough and hang it out to that caused a lot of deaths. And in the case of Doc and the team Doc was on, they ended up needing that case of water in that food, cause they, in fact, could not get home that night. They were stuck out there, and there were no other supplies to be found. And

spk_0:   11:51
And you wanna know a secret? You want a secret when you live below sea level next to the ocean mind and somebody says you're about to flood, get out, Get out! Get out! There's no away. You should stay. So

spk_1:   12:13
another one of her points was, Follow your own judgment when you have the expertise to make the judgment, like in the case over, if you're in that neighborhood, none of your neighbors has any better information than you do. You all know you're below sea level. You all know there's a levee out there that's being highly stressed. You've got a CZ much expertise as everybody else. You feel you should leave you leave. On the other hand, if somebody else has a lot more expertise and gives you suggestions, well, maybe you ought to listen to them. Trust your own information when you trust your own beliefs when you've got a good basis for, um, But don't ignore people just because they're saying stuff you don't want to hear

spk_0:   13:00
now on a broader sense. Also, don't let we weave in our society. We've got to the point where we will discount what anybody says If they don't have the same politics that we d'oh, let's say, for example, we're just going to use this example. We don't discuss politics, we don't discuss rights or I'm just gonna throw this out here to the Gampel. Let's say that you are a conservative person just saying and that the mayor of your community is a liberal person. Okay, I'm gonna tell you in today's day and age that matters to people, whether they will believe what the person in authority says to them, even on stuff like there's a tornado coming, Get into shelter And I could just hear it now, I'm not gonna believe with that Liberals blow, but yeah, it happens. Don't fall for that air on the side of caution.

spk_1:   14:16
Yeah, Get out. If it's a situation you should get out of, get out early. The people who got out early did not die and

spk_0:   14:22
actually ended up in a lot better straights. And they ended up a lot better position.

spk_1:   14:26
Yeah, they're still hotel rooms. For one

spk_0:   14:27
thing, they didn't end up in the Superdome, you know, which was, in fact, a bit of hell on Earth for a while.

spk_1:   14:35
And some of those people, like the emergency responders, they should have known better. They should have been able to rationally look at the situation they were in and have taken appropriate precautions. But they thought they were immune because of their position. In part they did know better. But they had this underlying belief that somehow they were immune because they were there to help. First rule of rescue from our diver class. But it comes from a lot of other rescue training, is don't create more victims and

spk_0:   15:12
just just comes up all the time. People people have died like she just went to Yellowstone on a recent trip, and there's a really great book that's fascinating. And every prepper should read has nothing to do with Perfect. But every preparation re is called Death in Yellowstone.

spk_1:   15:29
It has mindset do with proper

spk_0:   15:30
stuff. I'll buy that. But one of the things that keeps coming up are the a lot of ways that people died trying to be a hero, trying to help somebody else trying to say, diving into boiling water to try and save. People don't dive into boiling water for any reason, whatever period

spk_1:   15:50
does. It just makes another victim. You don't save people that way.

spk_0:   15:53
Thea Cancel the Chiefs had this really forget the guy's name now, Joe, somebody or other a really talented running back who died um, trying to save a little boy. He was a hero. He tied, The little boy was drowning and the Kansas City Chiefs, running back bravely jumped in to save them. Couldn't swim, and he drowned. You know, this is the kind of thing we're don't do that. It just makes no sense. All you did was create a double tragedy.

spk_1:   16:29
Yeah, but she phrased it. As you know, just because you're there to help doesn't mean you're immune. I would also say just because you are a prepper doesn't mean you're immune. Being a prepper means you. You are better prepared, and you should be better equipped to make rational decisions. So make the rational decisions. And don't let the ego get in your way.

spk_0:   16:52
Don't do stupid.

spk_1:   16:54
Yeah, don't do stupid. The next one surprised me because I have more faith in human nature that a lot of people do, I suppose. But she reported that people even people that we're not at the tragedy site who are not directly impacted by the tragedy. But they were just in the general vicinity and in the vicinity of the rescue efforts. There was a whole lot of aggression and crime for no real reason. She got a weapon pulled on her just for no apparent reason other than aggression, wanting a way out, the medical people. I had to have private security guards that Blackwater security was actually employed toe bodyguard, the medical personnel who were going in to try and help the victims and, uh, otherwise aid the recovery efforts. They had to have bodyguards because people were physically threatening them, apparently with their world's turned upside down and everything messed up. Some people just got the idea that the rule of law was not really a thing. And I'm going to express my aggression and I could do that with a gun and then people will be afraid of me. So yeah, she was all four people being prepared to defend themselves and being aware of that. Even when there was no clear reason for that kind of aggression, people were not desperate straits and trying to do mugger for bottled water or anything like that. It was just aggression and people acting out out of control was a much bigger thing than I would have guessed so.

spk_0:   18:44
But that's one of the reasons that we we're very pro second Amendment around our house. So the reasons we're prepared, we don't really expect that to happen. But, you know, doctored and expected to happen. And it did. Yeah. So there we are. Somebody keep in mind?

spk_1:   19:04
Uh, this is one thing. Salty, and I might need to pay attention to, Like many preppers, we have some kinds of isolation gear to try and protect yourself from biohazards and chemical hazards. And she had to work in that kind of gear for some of the stuff she was doing. The isolation protocols, to be effective, require a lot of practice. Doffing and dining appropriately is not something you see once on a YouTube video and then are able to complete successfully reliably.

spk_0:   19:39
We should probably do that.

spk_1:   19:41
Yeah, That's one of the things I took away from the ER should conversation.

spk_0:   19:46
I should probably get out on isolations at a tie back. Isolation suit for each of us, and we could practice it. We got him. I mean, I've got

spk_1:   19:55
yeah. Having some practice would be way better than having no practice, but she tells me it's not really reliable unless you practice a lot because it is a complex procedure, and if you skip any part of it, you have broken the isolation protocol and you're exposed. So that's the thing. She suggested that for regional disasters like Katrina, there were a whole lot of people sending a whole lot of assistance. Hey, that was really hopeful. But it took a couple of weeks to get it distributed. So for regional disasters, two Weeksworth supplies and a couple of guns for protection was what she her personal recommendations

spk_0:   20:34
were. Now I will tell you they've recently done a little some commercials on TV of Anheuser Busch. As of them seeing there's a tornado hit or whatever, and they shut down the beer line. We can water and they send the water. Two. The disaster area in semi trucks.

spk_1:   21:05
The Blessed Bud Light water truck is a fund memory of mine. From that,

spk_0:   21:09
this is a real thing in, like Bush credit do where it is. Do they really do this? They still a disaster happens. Shut down the ST Louis Burry Bottling Plant Canning plant basically, and they'll turn over X many lines how many lines they have to determine necessary, and they'll bottled water stick in there some eyes, No ship in tow when we didn't know anything about this and we're in downtown of the town we were in.

spk_1:   21:49
When we're on the levee,

spk_0:   21:50
I'll tell, I'll tell you Is Canton, Missouri? Because it's north Missouri. Were North Missouri on We're on the levee and we see this twice or semi pulling in.

spk_1:   22:01
Well, that's an interesting.

spk_0:   22:03
We're surrounded by Amish and Mennonites who come out of the woodwork during

spk_1:   22:09
disaster. They they came out and mass to help.

spk_0:   22:12
They came out literally by the school bus load to help, and we see them pull up and we're all kind of stick around looking at each other, going I'm not sure this is

spk_1:   22:27
a interesting support choice. Yeah,

spk_0:   22:30
it was actually even a refrigerated truck And the Red Cross and the Salvation Army. People are sitting there kind of both jaws a gate so they'd never seen it before. They're the local people. These were the local people. It as it aside as another aside, that's very funny watching they were competing us to Who could give out the more sandwich? Yeah, but that was just kind of funny. And the truck driver hops down and he opens up the back of the truck and somebody brings brings a forklift up to it. It pulls out search, pulling out pallets worth of drinking water. It has a little drinking water just as water and as the Anheuser Busch Eagle Water. Pure water. And, boy, let me tell you what

spk_1:   23:21
did the can's empty in a hurry? Yeah, I got put down about three.

spk_0:   23:26
Sure, not too much about drinking beer, but, man, you give a nice, clean, clean, safe drinking water. They'll put down a case of that. Well,

spk_1:   23:36
it was 90 degrees and would been shuttling sand for hours and

spk_0:   23:40
water. You know, there's plenty of water, but you don't want the Mississippi kind of water. Yeah, that's nasty, especially in the flood. Oh, speaking

spk_1:   23:48
of the testosterone kind of deal, would been filling sandbags for three hours. I was on a crew with about five people, and we had an assembly line going, grabbing the bags, holding the bags open three scoops tie stack on the truck. We had an assembly line process going with

spk_0:   24:07
the only woman.

spk_1:   24:07
I was the only woman and we're working hard, working, hard, working hard, doing the best we can. Finally, I say I'm sorry, guys, but I gotta take a break. And immediately three of the four months of Oh, thank God I couldn't stop before you did.

spk_0:   24:29
It's a real thing. Yeah, but, you know, in all seriousness, that man gained 100 man points

spk_1:   24:39
for waiting until

spk_0:   24:40
waiting it. Totally.

spk_1:   24:42
A woman said it. Yes.

spk_0:   24:44
So he gained his man points.

spk_1:   24:46
You wanna get the quick ones here or stop into our shopping and hit him on the way home?

spk_0:   24:51
Um, let's go ahead and, uh, pause the pause. The machine here and well, hit him on the hit him on the way home. Yeah, and we're back. You didn't really realize we were gone because it was just, uh I just paused a recording device. But we're back. We have done our grocery shopping, and we're heading home. I know you're excited, but for us, our grocery shopping, I'm like you, uh, city folks are grocery shopping for us. Occurs 25 to 30 miles away from where they live. Yeah, so we'll have plenty of time to finish this. All right, on out.

spk_1:   25:29
Duck heads. More kind of quick hitter tips. Some which are who job, you know, that's an interesting person. I like

spk_0:   25:39
her talks. She's up there. Interesting is a word.

spk_1:   25:44
You know, that whole thing about rice and beans after a disaster. That's about all the emergency responders had to eat for the 1st 2 or three weeks. They were down there.

spk_0:   25:56
Hopefully some Tabasco sauce or something

spk_1:   26:00
she didn't specify. But be no guys, seriously, you

spk_0:   26:05
know, Do you know

spk_1:   26:07
some people have troubled adjusting beans without the B? No, I'm you know,

spk_0:   26:12
that's not an issue for us. I don't think we don't. Neither one of us are really?

spk_1:   26:16
Yeah, we're vegetarians. And mostly

spk_0:   26:19
mostly, yeah, well, I

spk_1:   26:22
used to eating a lot of beans, said plenty of enzymes to deal with it, But that's not true for everybody.

spk_0:   26:27
And we always from members what we learned when we were five. Beans, beans, the musical fruit, a little more YouTube.

spk_1:   26:37
I hesitated to bring it up because I know there's a 12 year old in the car. When it comes to such thing.

spk_0:   26:44
There is a 12 year old in the car. When it comes to anything regarding dies off. Let's go, I think.

spk_1:   26:52
But yeah, it was on her list, so I gave it to you. Okay. Along.

spk_0:   26:58
Which reminds me anytime you want. You want to hear the story about a 12 year old? A $1,000,000,000 airplane? Okay, Maybe not quite a $1,000,000,000. Um, look up the L A speed story type in. Go to YouTube and type of L. A Speed s r 71. Trust me, you will not regret it. And this is completely family safe. It is hilarious. Hilarious, hilarious story that is on 100% g rated. Yes. So quit

spk_1:   27:38
and probably even true.

spk_0:   27:40
Yeah, probably even somewhat true. Sort of.

spk_1:   27:46
Another little quick hater there. When people get stressed, they get constipated. Bring laxatives.

spk_0:   27:52
Yeah, this is a This is a deal on when you're up and you're moving and you don't have time and your you're moving, you're moving. You're moving. You're eating stuff that you don't normally eat.

spk_1:   28:03
Especially if you're trying to live off those rations bars. The TSA doesn't even admit his food,

spk_0:   28:08
right? Not well, I'm sure she's gonna mention assets to. So if she doesn't and assets she didn't and acids the chalk kind.

spk_1:   28:22
Um, here's one that you may not have heard of sex drives tend to spike in people who have had close associate close brushes with death and dangerous situations. Yeah, no So birth control. We've got a post on that on three B Y elsewhere, too. But that's one of things she brought up. And this last one is from a separate experience of hers. It wasn't from the post Katrina, but it was an excellent suggestion. She lived for a time in a high rise building, experienced a fire. She was with the last person, apparently to get out of that building alive. Some people did perish in that fire, and she was struggling because of the smoke. And she suggested, if if she ever lives in a high rise building again, she's going to keep a rescue bottle of, Ah, breathable air. Help get her out.

spk_0:   29:26
That is not a bad idea. I've actually thought about getting one of those. We have all kinds of scuba tanks and scuba gear, but there's no way we could get that out, get it assembled and get it out of there. Something that you can do. I'll tell you a product that that worked great for you. It's not a rescue bottle per se, so you might want to get at a pair of, ah, of good fitting, non breathing goggles to it. But there's a like a pair of scuba goggles, but there's a product that scuba divers use. What's the name of that stupid thing? I

spk_1:   30:02
couldn't think of it when I was talking to her, either.

spk_0:   30:04
Okay, hang on a second.

spk_1:   30:06
Speaking of the spirit

spk_0:   30:07
Bear came up with just assumes they hit the pause button. Spare air now spares on exceedingly controversial thing for scuba divers. For the reason that at depth it does not give you very many breaths. So you three,

spk_1:   30:24
then five times as much air with each breath at 100 feet

spk_0:   30:28
here doesn't air compresses. And so it goes much, much, much faster when you're a death. But we're not at death were at one atmosphere, and so a bottle of spare air in one of the small bottles of spare will last you a significant amount of time

spk_1:   30:46
and they come with a mouthpiece,

spk_0:   30:49
comes with a mouthpiece, comes ready to go. You just flick it on and your breathing and they're not. They're not that expensive. There are a lot less expensive than a full firefighting regulators set up with bay and a lot easier to maintain. You could put it. It comes in a little bag. Just take that chief set of scuba goggles and you're good to go.

spk_1:   31:11
By the way, the way she actually escaped this highrise building. Despite the smoke, the smoke was too thick to see basically at all. But coincidentally, she had been using the staircases as a motive exercise. Living up near the top. She should. You gone up and down him as her exercise when she didn't have much time and wanted to get in a little bit of work out. So she was extremely familiar with the fire escape stairwells and was able to navigate them without light and full of smoke and 1/2 choking on it. And that's part of what got her out. So, uh, knowing the route out of your building if you live in a high rise being very familiar with that, it's also worth doing.

spk_0:   31:56
One good thing about that is this is an easy thing to practice. Just go down the hallway and close your eyes. Know how many doors you have to go to get to the stairwell, just kind of by the frame. Touch the frames. You walk down the wall where you're touching the wall the whole way down with your right arm, for example. You had a door frame, you reach out, you you can feel the other end of the doorframe. You guide yourself along when it's very, very dark in our house, we can walk through our house. You know, as we've got certain pathways that we know there's nothing going, there's gonna be no obstacles except for when she misses with her boots and gets them out in the middle of the hole, which she did last night. That really stub my toe. A good one because they're both boots were in the way. You do right in the doorway between the bedroom. I think bathroom. Except for them. She's gonna look at you. That's our trick. I have many tricks of my own, but that particular not making sure that she gets her boots couldn't over so it doesn't get into the doorway. It's her trick. Um oh, trust me, I have my own stupid pet tricks,

spk_1:   33:03
but we don't need to go there because it's not relevant?

spk_0:   33:06
No. No. But anyway, what would just go with yours?

spk_1:   33:12
But anyway, but she would have been also met. The fire doors are often made of metal when many of the other doors in the building may not be so. That might be a tactile clue, but you'll want to know about it beforehand. So she she wanted that on the list. I actually told her I was making a list for the site and she came up with this list of suggestions for me.

spk_0:   33:34
Oh, and one other thing. And this should go without saying, you know, when you get in an elevator, says do not use in case of fire, it really do not use in case of fire does it gets stuck. It's a desperate don't do it. Okay, good tip to tip. And one last thing. This isn't one of Doc's trips, but this is tips. But this is something that I want everybody who listens to this and who reads our site to be aware of and to watch out for this is something that we spice night. We train ourselves all the time to watch out for this thing and I'm talking about normalcy. Bayous? Oh, it won't happen to me. That's got to be a part of why people die in disasters is Theo. It won't happen to me. Normalcy. Bias.

spk_1:   34:27
That was kind of part of point to really?

spk_0:   34:30
Yeah, herd mentality. I want to keep coming back to that. You gotta constantly be questioning things to see if you are not being caught up in normalcy bias, especially with lives on the line. And that's one of my two points I wanted to make. The other point I want to make is thanks for one of the three points point to is you may be Superman. You may be the second coming of Rambo, but you are no better off then the least of your group or family. Whatever plans you make, you have to take not you into effect. You may be Superman. May be you may be wonder woman, but your three year old is not

spk_1:   35:29
unless you're willing to leave people behind. You gotta be ready to take him with you.

spk_0:   35:33
And that brings me to my third thing. I know I had somebody say this one last week about their golden retriever there be love to talk. I would die for that talk, he said. I would die for that dog.

spk_1:   35:51
Plenty of people did during Katrina.

spk_0:   35:55
Okay, if you're willing to make that choice, that's your choice. But argue he has a two year old, a wife and a two year old. Are you willing to kill your daughter for that dog? That's the question. Are you willing to kill your wife for that dog? Are you willing to give up the next 40 years of your life the next 70 years of your two year old's life for that dog? Is that the deal you're ready to cut? It's of course not. That's ridiculous. Then you know, get it in your head now. You have choices. May have to be made at some point in time. It's not, you know. You sure you're not gonna look at all fighting? You're You're gonna bite it someday. If the stuff hits the fan, your toes. No, Go ahead. Keep your dog, Petra. Dog. Love you, dog. Fine. Whatever. Just keep in mind that a dog is a dog and people I have to tech priority. Don't let you put yourself in a dangerous situation because of a dog

spk_1:   37:15
that was one. Probably what brought that to salt ease? Mind, I'm guessing Is that death and Yellow Stone? One of the first things he covers his thermal features people time. There was, ah, a young man who died because his dog jumped into a boiling pool.

spk_0:   37:30
But he jumped in after it

spk_1:   37:31
and he jumped in to save it. And he got out and said, That was really dumb And he died about an hour later. Yeah, he's right.

spk_0:   37:39
It waas. So, yeah, I mean, you know, this is this is no nonsense stuff. This is the kind of stuff we think about. There's there's many kinds of prepping, but probably the most important type of prepping mental is absolutely between your ears. Doesn't cost you a dime. It may cost your night's sleep, but it won't cost you time.

spk_1:   37:59
I don't lose sleep over it. It was kind of funny because even when we were in the, we had some sketchy moments, perhaps on this 100 mile of hiking in the Yellowstone backcountry. But I didn't find any of it frightening because I'd already thought through contingencies for it. So there was a plan in place to be able to deal with it. None of it made me anxious because I'd already plan to deal with it. In fact, I think that's one of the reasons people do. Prep is to reduce their anxiousness over situations that can't control

spk_0:   38:34
and looking at, say, for example, Yellowstone's a perfect example looking at the way that people die in Yellowstone. Very, very, very few of them now, not counting, like auto accidents and heart attacks and stuff like that was that that's not what we're talking about, but people who die in actually out in the park. Amongst the features, virtually none of them were people prepared and ready for the environment they went into. They're almost always somebody who was not prepared for the environment.

spk_1:   39:13
They didn't think about the risks they might encounter. They only thought about what they expected to happen.

spk_0:   39:20
And we're talking about people who live there. Park employees, people who lived in the communities around Yellowstone, people who should have known better. Another will occasionally be a situation where now your number was up. You did everything right. But boom, You know, airplane landed on your head. I mean, you know that happens.

spk_1:   39:52
Dry lightning comes out of nowhere and strikes you. Yeah, that's killed a cup. One or two people in Yellowstone and that's that's a straight up accident.

spk_0:   40:01
There's nothing you can do about that. But

spk_1:   40:03
by golly, when the, uh, obvious thundercloud was coming up behind us, we got down off the high places because that wouldn't have been a straight up accident. That would have been an accident mixed with stupid.

spk_0:   40:15
Tell him, Tell him your story about about your adventure on the lake. This is a perfect example. Yeah, people do not realize how dangerous like Yellowstone is. It's an exceedingly dangerous place.

spk_1:   40:27
More people have died in Lake Yellowstone, mostly from canoes, then have died from wild animals and thermal features and all that stuff with other climbing, you

spk_0:   40:38
name it.

spk_1:   40:40
The lake kills more people than any other single feature in Yellowstone and even more than a whole bunch of the rest put together. And I hadn't heard that part of the book when I was planning for this trip. Doc and I plan to spend a day canoeing. Both of us have canoed before and kayaked before, but neither one is what I would consider expert. So there will you buy a shuttle service, though? Loan you a canoe and they'll drop you off anywhere you want. And they'll come and pick you up several hours later and we're gonna rent one of those. Service is for a day. So I took a look at the map and I took a look at where the wind direction was coming from that day. Oh, and the

spk_0:   41:24
attention to the wind

spk_1:   41:27
in a canoe and on a bicycle More so. And it can

spk_0:   41:30
any time you are powering the vehicle yourself. It

spk_1:   41:34
was supposed to be Ah, South wind up to 15 miles an hour. No thunderstorms, no storms of any kind in the forecast. Okay, weather looked good. I have found a place that was nice and protected because I know a big, wide open fetch of water develops waves that are much taller. One of the features,

spk_0:   41:55
right. If you don't know what a fetch of water is, it's time you learned. Especially if

spk_1:   42:01
you

spk_0:   42:01
plan on going out in any kind of boat. You need to know what fetches.

spk_1:   42:05
That's all the big, flat, open expanse of water up wind of you is the fetch, and the more wind blows across the fetch, the higher the waves build.

spk_0:   42:15
Which is why the Great Lakes can get some really corker waves on because they have a huge fetch

spk_1:   42:22
there very long. So if the winds coming from the right direction, they've got a giant fetch for like especially so The Yellowstone likes a really big lake. And there there was a cool island out in the middle. I really wanted to go to, but I'm like, Nah, it's got a lot of fetch. I'm not comfortable with that. So I had him drop us off at a place where we could There was a lot of indented shoreline, and, uh, there wasn't a whole lot of fetch. We're going to be close to the direction the wind was coming from the whole way. We could spend all our time going a point and going out so our takeout point would be down wind. And that's an important feature. And it was gonna We're planning to look at stuff on the shore anyway, so I figured would stay really close to the shoreline because being a scuba diver, I know that cold water really sucks the meat out of you. Most of the people who died in Yellowstone didn't drown. They died of hypothermia because they got cut caught out in the middle. They ended up in the water and the water was so cold

spk_0:   43:22
I didn't stay alive. It is like not quite freezing, but very, very, very, very cold.

spk_1:   43:27
Most of the there are some thermal features feeding into it, but most of the water feeding into it is winter Snow melt, so it's cold, like so

spk_0:   43:37
it's an altitude.

spk_1:   43:39
So those were the plans. Avoid the fetch. Stay close to shore so we could swim to shore if we did happen to overturn and, uh, stay out of the big open expanses of water and go up wind the 1st 1st thing. When I got there, he asked me, The guy who's driving the boat to drop us off asked me where I wanted to be. Let go, and I I mentioned a spot and he said, Well, the ones supposed to be from the southwest today and I took a look at the map he had there and showed him where we intended to go, cause I wanted to get his advice, obviously knows more about this like than I do. And he looked a heck of a lot more comfortable when I explained the plan and why I've done it. I want to go up wind first and he's like, Yeah, OK, I feel better about this now so he drops us off and we have a lovely little canoe ride. But on the way back, the winds starting to pick up a little bit. So we kind of hustle back because we hadn't expected the wind to really pick up like that. And we got on shore for a while to have lunch. And it was just directly up wind from our takeout point, which was not accidental. And the all of sudden, the wind starts really ripping like 30 mile an hour wind instead of the 15 with gusts that were even bigger than that. Like OK, this is beyond our skill level. We'll just get back in. This canoe will go straight back across this tiny, bitter water to our takeout point, which is directly down land, and that was a little exciting, but it was not that dangerous, and we made it no problem. It was just hard paddling to keep the boat in the right direction. But we're going the right way. So we got out, we pulled up or an hour early before the guy's supposed to pick us up. Saul, right? Well, just a hang out on the beach here. And as we hung out on the beach, the wind got worse and worse. And the little boats that were tied up at the jetty, that boat camper so we're using started battering against it and they had to come out and they put their little protectors around their boats so they wouldn't be bashed pieces against the little duck. And then the guy in the powerboat comes up to pick us up. And he actually had to have the guys who owned the other boats warp their boats forward by hand to make room for him. Because the water was so wild, there was only one spot. He could get a boat of his size into the Jedi, so they help him out. First thing he says to me is, What were you guys out in this? And I'm like, No, we just pulled out early because we felt this was beyond our skill level, Nick a new He says this is beyond everybody Skill level in a canoe. And we headed back across the little fetch that led to the island. We had to go pass that on our way back, and the boat was just bucking and balancing in jumping all over the place I would never get It was six foot ways. And this was an entirely

spk_0:   46:52
new stone. Like that ocean type ways. Yeah, I've been on the boat in six foot waves on ocean. Try and get back on that boat and scuba gear. And let me tell you, that is not fun.

spk_1:   47:02
Yeah, not fun at all.

spk_0:   47:04
That watching that ladder buck around there and just I mean literally the latter flying out of the water. And you're just like

spk_1:   47:11
you climb on when it's with low point and then you play Wa who was it? Throws you up and down way trying climate. It was a lot like that that day on the on the boat when the wind kicked up, but it was that big, and, uh, it was tossing us around pretty good. We were in a very safe craft, so we weren't worried. It was actually a lot of fun, in my opinion, but

spk_0:   47:33
I didn't puke in 14 different colors.

spk_1:   47:36
Yeah, Doc was start to turn slightly green, but not too bad.

spk_0:   47:42
I'm not good with post.

spk_1:   47:44
Yeah, there were some smaller craft out there and I noticed our driver was looking at them very closely to see if they needed assistance because they were bucking around even worse than we did. But anyway, that's what it was. Totally un forecast serious, although fairly brief windstorm out on that lake. If we had chosen to go over to that little island, best case scenarios were stuck on that little island until the wind combs down. Which was several hours later because he couldn't even have stopped to pick us up. And we would just been pinned there. Worst case scenario were dumped off into the very cold water in a canoe in the middle of a big bunch of open water. And it might have been one of those hypothermia deaths. That's how they happen. This

spk_0:   48:34
is how prepping can save your life. This is exactly how prepping can save your life without TF walkie happening.

spk_1:   48:44
Yeah, I didn't in any way expect that windstorm because I checked forecast and it wasn't there,

spk_0:   48:49
but you

spk_1:   48:49
were ready. But yeah, I had planned conservatively, and it was I was glad I had playing conservative. It made for a very fun and exciting day, but it would have been way too exciting if we had been more than directly downwind when that up wind when that big wind kicked up

spk_0:   49:09
that lake eats people,

spk_1:   49:11
kills people every year.

spk_0:   49:12
The storms come up so fast on it without warning, and he needs people. So it's something to keep in mind. You know, the train. I know what you're doing.

spk_1:   49:22
We passed one tiny little dot of island where the trees were completely burned and I just wondered aloud that such a small bit of land and it's so far from from the shores. I wonder how they managed to get a fire on that that burn that thing completely. And he says, Oh, I was out here. We had a giant lightning strike on one of those big trees, and there was a pic explosion and a small fire started, and within a minute another lightning bolt hit in the very same place. And there was an even bigger explosion in the whole place was in flames, and it went like, OK, now I know

spk_0:   50:00
where we are, so yeah, Good tips. Thank you. Doc Thatcher was doing. But if she does, thank you, and we're gonna hang it up for this episode of the three B. Y podcast. Thank you for listening and have a great day.

spk_1:   50:17
Goodbye.