1 00:00:02,023 --> 00:00:04,407 Andrew Quilpa: Had you actually read the email, you would know 2 00:00:04,447 --> 00:00:07,230 that the podcast you are about to listen to could contain 3 00:00:07,331 --> 00:00:09,814 explicit language and offensive content. 4 00:00:09,814 --> 00:00:14,474 These HR experts' views are not representative of their past, 5 00:00:14,814 --> 00:00:16,480 present or future employers. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,707 If you have ever heard my manager is unfair to me. 7 00:00:19,707 --> 00:00:24,722 I need you to reset my HR portal password, or Can I write 8 00:00:24,762 --> 00:00:26,548 up my employee for crying too much? 9 00:00:26,548 --> 00:00:28,885 Welcome to our little safe zone . 10 00:00:28,885 --> 00:00:31,190 Welcome to Jaded HR. 11 00:00:42,841 --> 00:00:48,210 Warren: So, anyways, let's take two Welcome to J hr to podcast 12 00:00:48,250 --> 00:00:51,487 by two hr professionals who help you get through the workday by 13 00:00:51,548 --> 00:00:53,979 saying everything you're thinking, but say it out loud. 14 00:00:53,979 --> 00:01:00,945 I'm warren I'm cc all right, so this is take two you're. 15 00:01:00,945 --> 00:01:05,430 We had a little technical difficulty, so yeah, we're back 16 00:01:05,450 --> 00:01:07,971 and it's 2025 in. 17 00:01:07,971 --> 00:01:17,200 April We'll be starting our season five, a year five, so 18 00:01:17,239 --> 00:01:19,268 that's going to be really exciting for us. 19 00:01:19,268 --> 00:01:24,501 So yeah, before technical wonderfulness happened, we were 20 00:01:24,521 --> 00:01:26,808 talking about Snowmageddon and you making it through that. 21 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:29,603 Cee Cee: Do you think that's what made this fall apart? 22 00:01:29,603 --> 00:01:30,968 Was the Snowmageddon? 23 00:01:30,968 --> 00:01:33,013 I'm starting to think Exactly. 24 00:01:33,013 --> 00:01:36,347 Also, I'm starting to believe Mercury in retrograde. 25 00:01:36,347 --> 00:01:37,430 Is it in retrograde? 26 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:38,233 What's going on? 27 00:01:38,233 --> 00:01:42,670 Because I woke up this morning like my husband's complete work 28 00:01:42,829 --> 00:01:46,602 station was not working Things, just his keyboard wasn't working 29 00:01:46,602 --> 00:01:49,090 , this wasn't working whatever, and then he was like, trying to 30 00:01:49,131 --> 00:01:53,304 fix that, like all the batteries went out all of a sudden in the 31 00:01:53,304 --> 00:01:53,644 house. 32 00:01:53,644 --> 00:01:56,891 I'm like is something happening with? 33 00:01:56,891 --> 00:02:00,781 Is it retrograde or is it just 2025? 34 00:02:00,781 --> 00:02:01,483 Like, where are we? 35 00:02:01,483 --> 00:02:02,284 What is happening? 36 00:02:03,046 --> 00:02:05,469 Warren: oh, I don't know. 37 00:02:05,469 --> 00:02:10,805 I I haven't had any knock on wood bad luck in 2025 yet, but 38 00:02:11,867 --> 00:02:12,590 I'm with me. 39 00:02:12,590 --> 00:02:16,558 I'm just a time bomb waiting to go off with some bad luck 40 00:02:16,679 --> 00:02:17,000 somewhere. 41 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:20,504 Cee Cee: So I just you know I'm over the new year. 42 00:02:20,504 --> 00:02:25,413 Let's just go for a, a slightly used, like reasonably good 43 00:02:25,473 --> 00:02:26,274 shape old year. 44 00:02:26,274 --> 00:02:28,783 Like I'll take a 1998 all over again. 45 00:02:28,804 --> 00:02:33,314 That was pretty fun, like let's just no but, yeah, snowmageddon, 46 00:02:33,314 --> 00:02:37,765 so we had like 13 inches of snow, which is very not, it's 47 00:02:37,825 --> 00:02:38,888 not normal for us. 48 00:02:38,888 --> 00:02:41,252 But yeah, we were snowed in for a little bit. 49 00:02:41,252 --> 00:02:46,498 The baby actually slept at my parents' place and because 50 00:02:46,519 --> 00:02:48,711 they're like the daycare and they're like we don't know how 51 00:02:48,731 --> 00:02:50,640 the roads are going to be, so just leave her here. 52 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:54,049 And that was fantastic, cause I don't remember a night, oh, 53 00:02:54,068 --> 00:02:55,592 yeah, yeah, I'll wait. 54 00:02:56,020 --> 00:02:59,004 Yeah, thanks, but yeah, like it was just, it was wonderful, and 55 00:02:59,085 --> 00:02:59,566 I don't know. 56 00:02:59,566 --> 00:03:02,090 I there's like this clip going around the internet. 57 00:03:02,090 --> 00:03:05,294 I don't know if it went, quote unquote, viral, but it's been 58 00:03:05,314 --> 00:03:05,694 going around. 59 00:03:05,694 --> 00:03:09,594 It's our local weather guy and he has lost his mind, like while 60 00:03:09,594 --> 00:03:10,479 doing the newscasting. 61 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:14,187 Like at the end of it he's just making snow angels and it is. 62 00:03:14,187 --> 00:03:18,627 It is like chef's kiss of how we were just dealing with 63 00:03:18,667 --> 00:03:19,288 snowmageddon. 64 00:03:21,292 --> 00:03:22,354 Warren: Oh, that's funny. 65 00:03:22,354 --> 00:03:25,507 So, yeah, we got our snowmageddon too. 66 00:03:25,507 --> 00:03:30,747 It it flurried for probably five minutes and and it was done 67 00:03:30,747 --> 00:03:30,747 . 68 00:03:30,747 --> 00:03:34,417 Uh, and the funny thing is I went to take out some garbage 69 00:03:34,537 --> 00:03:36,162 and I noticed, oh wow, it's snowing. 70 00:03:36,162 --> 00:03:38,048 And you know, you really couldn't see it too well. 71 00:03:38,048 --> 00:03:40,984 If you looked up in the light you could see you know it a 72 00:03:41,024 --> 00:03:41,846 little bit better. 73 00:03:41,846 --> 00:03:44,991 And then you, you look at like we have our patio furniture 74 00:03:45,032 --> 00:03:48,707 covered with a black cover and so you could see the snow on 75 00:03:48,747 --> 00:03:48,848 that. 76 00:03:48,848 --> 00:03:50,211 I was like, oh cool, it's snowing. 77 00:03:50,211 --> 00:03:53,788 And I said, you know what, I'm going to go take the garbage to 78 00:03:53,829 --> 00:03:56,925 the curb before before it gets any worse or anything like that. 79 00:03:56,925 --> 00:04:02,383 By the time I got back from the curb it was done, our snow, our 80 00:04:02,383 --> 00:04:06,211 snow had stopped and we, we were done and I was perfectly 81 00:04:06,512 --> 00:04:07,312 happy with that. 82 00:04:07,312 --> 00:04:08,542 And yeah, so I was. 83 00:04:08,842 --> 00:04:13,377 Yeah, I would like some snow, just not on a day or time I have 84 00:04:13,377 --> 00:04:15,604 to drive and right now my son lives in. 85 00:04:15,604 --> 00:04:17,709 It goes to college out in the mountains in North Carolina. 86 00:04:17,709 --> 00:04:20,863 It's been snowing like three days in a row out there and I 87 00:04:20,923 --> 00:04:25,192 think yesterday they got six inches and then it's supposed to 88 00:04:25,192 --> 00:04:29,767 not snow again the rest of this week until friday, which, but 89 00:04:29,829 --> 00:04:31,901 on friday and saturday it's supposed to snow again and 90 00:04:31,940 --> 00:04:35,608 that's when we have to take him home or take him back, so it's 91 00:04:35,668 --> 00:04:39,141 normally a 13 hour drive to get him there and back. 92 00:04:39,141 --> 00:04:40,725 I'm anticipating this is going to be like a. 93 00:04:40,725 --> 00:04:44,653 This might require a hotel trip somewhere along the way back 94 00:04:48,540 --> 00:04:49,202 North Carolina. 95 00:04:49,202 --> 00:04:49,785 We don't. 96 00:04:49,785 --> 00:04:51,591 We aren't prepared for snow. 97 00:04:51,591 --> 00:04:55,769 I don't think my county has its own snow vehicles period or 98 00:04:56,190 --> 00:04:56,932 anything like that. 99 00:04:56,932 --> 00:04:59,829 So yeah, that's it, that's good . 100 00:04:59,829 --> 00:05:00,449 That's good. 101 00:05:00,449 --> 00:05:02,504 So let's see. 102 00:05:02,504 --> 00:05:03,983 I want to. 103 00:05:04,002 --> 00:05:07,110 Before we get too far, I want to get caught up on a couple 104 00:05:07,170 --> 00:05:10,629 things, and first, I am a very bad person. 105 00:05:10,629 --> 00:05:15,382 I have not been checking our Apple reviews in forever, and I 106 00:05:15,423 --> 00:05:19,870 was looking the other night and I noticed there's one that I 107 00:05:20,711 --> 00:05:23,314 missed from October. 108 00:05:23,314 --> 00:05:28,430 So Dustin Stoll, who left us a five-star review on Apple 109 00:05:28,471 --> 00:05:28,992 Podcasts. 110 00:05:28,992 --> 00:05:32,428 He wrote HR conversations to make the world go round. 111 00:05:32,428 --> 00:05:36,321 I need to do research on podcasts for my marketing class. 112 00:05:36,321 --> 00:05:38,245 I came across this during my research. 113 00:05:38,245 --> 00:05:42,134 I find this podcast informational and educational. 114 00:05:42,134 --> 00:05:47,519 This is precisely what I need as an HR major to become as a HR 115 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:50,728 major, because, after working in the field for a while, I am 116 00:05:50,788 --> 00:05:53,387 jaded, so it helped me very much . 117 00:05:54,663 --> 00:05:57,471 So, dustin, sorry it took us so long to read your review. 118 00:05:57,471 --> 00:06:02,339 I I'm going to try and read the reviews much more frequently. 119 00:06:02,339 --> 00:06:07,432 So if you'd like to give us a review on any of the platforms, 120 00:06:07,540 --> 00:06:11,279 especially Apple's that helps us grow, go ahead and do so and 121 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:12,946 we'll read it on the air. 122 00:06:12,946 --> 00:06:19,343 So yeah, I'm just so sorry I missed that that review but also 123 00:06:19,343 --> 00:06:22,004 it's time for me to to eat a little crow. 124 00:06:22,004 --> 00:06:26,538 In the last episode about the Ohio State Disappointed I 125 00:06:26,579 --> 00:06:30,310 apparently spread some misinformation. 126 00:06:30,310 --> 00:06:33,959 I even said in the episode I didn't read the whole article. 127 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:41,535 I have the TLDR type of mindset ADD TLDR, it doesn't matter. 128 00:06:41,535 --> 00:06:45,766 So apparently the Ohio State University employees did not get 129 00:06:45,766 --> 00:06:46,783 their second increase. 130 00:06:46,783 --> 00:06:49,574 They got the first increase back in July, but they were 131 00:06:49,613 --> 00:06:52,764 informed that they would be getting this second one, so they 132 00:06:52,764 --> 00:06:58,723 didn't actually get it, but it still doesn't change the fact 133 00:06:58,744 --> 00:07:02,370 that they got screwed in the process and my feelings still 134 00:07:02,411 --> 00:07:03,112 remain the same. 135 00:07:03,492 --> 00:07:05,985 You tell me I'm getting an increase and then you take it 136 00:07:06,024 --> 00:07:08,891 away from me because you don't have to give it to me anymore. 137 00:07:08,891 --> 00:07:11,565 No, sorry, still still going to leave you. 138 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,309 Cee Cee: I don't believe anything until it happens, 139 00:07:14,509 --> 00:07:17,620 especially with pay and promotions. 140 00:07:17,620 --> 00:07:21,009 You can tell me until you're blue in the face that something 141 00:07:21,069 --> 00:07:21,610 is coming. 142 00:07:21,610 --> 00:07:23,285 Something is coming. 143 00:07:23,285 --> 00:07:25,702 Face that something is coming, something is coming. 144 00:07:25,702 --> 00:07:27,547 But I feel like I've been around the block one too many 145 00:07:27,567 --> 00:07:27,687 times. 146 00:07:27,687 --> 00:07:30,653 To know that something is coming is squat until it 147 00:07:30,713 --> 00:07:31,454 actually happens. 148 00:07:34,343 --> 00:07:37,971 Warren: Yeah, in my company we had like five or six people that 149 00:07:37,971 --> 00:07:41,244 this would have applied to and we had a game plan in place what 150 00:07:41,244 --> 00:07:43,228 we're going to do for each of them. 151 00:07:43,228 --> 00:07:47,182 Some would get the bump to remain exempt and others would 152 00:07:47,201 --> 00:07:50,329 get their normal annual increase at the beginning of the year 153 00:07:51,011 --> 00:07:52,541 and then just go to non-exempt. 154 00:07:52,541 --> 00:07:54,487 And we, we had a game plan for everybody. 155 00:07:54,487 --> 00:07:58,480 And, uh, even the week before this happened, we said, okay, it 156 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,127 looks like the nothing's gonna happen to stop this from 157 00:08:02,187 --> 00:08:02,567 happening. 158 00:08:02,567 --> 00:08:08,002 So we'll, uh, uh and we're like , okay, fine, and of course it 159 00:08:08,021 --> 00:08:08,543 does happen. 160 00:08:08,543 --> 00:08:12,997 So, uh, you know, even if you have thousands of employees like 161 00:08:12,997 --> 00:08:17,367 ohio state, you don't have to take immediate action all the 162 00:08:17,406 --> 00:08:17,887 time you can. 163 00:08:17,887 --> 00:08:19,512 You can figure this out. 164 00:08:19,512 --> 00:08:23,726 I don't know, but I still think that I still think from what I 165 00:08:23,786 --> 00:08:27,495 know and didn't read everything, I still think the situation 166 00:08:27,535 --> 00:08:29,579 seemed to be handled pretty poorly. 167 00:08:29,579 --> 00:08:32,687 So I did want to put it out there that I had spread some 168 00:08:33,048 --> 00:08:34,552 misinformation apparently. 169 00:08:34,552 --> 00:08:38,892 So I halfway read another article which set me straight. 170 00:08:40,501 --> 00:08:43,282 Cee Cee: Well, thank you for the clarification, but it doesn't 171 00:08:43,341 --> 00:08:46,447 change our final verdict as shitty. 172 00:08:48,510 --> 00:08:49,633 Warren: Exactly, I like it. 173 00:08:49,633 --> 00:08:50,794 I like it. 174 00:08:50,794 --> 00:08:54,826 So we've been teasing for well. 175 00:08:54,826 --> 00:08:59,020 Actually, before we get there, wanted to wrap up the must 176 00:08:59,041 --> 00:09:03,710 listen to podcast list that we, you know, we had Mike Coffey 177 00:09:03,830 --> 00:09:05,373 from Good Morning HR. 178 00:09:05,373 --> 00:09:07,682 We had the game from Corporate Pizza Party. 179 00:09:07,682 --> 00:09:09,967 We had Jamie from HR Besties. 180 00:09:09,967 --> 00:09:13,134 I was trying to get two others. 181 00:09:13,134 --> 00:09:16,086 I'll go ahead and say that I was trying to get Kyle from 182 00:09:16,145 --> 00:09:20,783 Rebel HR and also Eileen and Glenda from Serping Corporate. 183 00:09:20,783 --> 00:09:25,755 My schedule just went sideways and it just became harder for me 184 00:09:25,755 --> 00:09:27,644 to try and get those schedule. 185 00:09:27,644 --> 00:09:31,456 But those other podcasts are definitely in our must listen to 186 00:09:31,456 --> 00:09:34,001 HR podcast lists as well. 187 00:09:34,142 --> 00:09:39,510 But oh well, speaking of must listen to podcasts, we got 188 00:09:39,610 --> 00:09:44,784 ranked for 2025 by Buzzfeed, which is absolute garbage, but 189 00:09:44,845 --> 00:09:45,265 it's still. 190 00:09:45,265 --> 00:09:51,403 It's still, yeah, the 20 number 21 must listen to a hr podcast. 191 00:09:51,403 --> 00:09:55,591 I don't know what we were last year, but we're 21 this year out 192 00:09:55,591 --> 00:09:57,181 out of I don't know how many there are. 193 00:09:57,181 --> 00:09:59,985 There's 22. 194 00:09:59,985 --> 00:10:05,095 There's only 20, but we got 21 on that list. 195 00:10:05,095 --> 00:10:08,546 Yeah, it's garbage. 196 00:10:08,546 --> 00:10:09,769 Buzzfeed sucks. 197 00:10:09,769 --> 00:10:13,639 They list some podcasts which aren't in publication anymore. 198 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:18,234 I think one of the years we were listed on it, it even gave 199 00:10:20,541 --> 00:10:23,490 it even gave completely wrong names of the hosts. 200 00:10:23,490 --> 00:10:27,008 I don't know if it was me and Feathers at the time, but it 201 00:10:27,028 --> 00:10:28,511 didn't have either of our names correct. 202 00:10:28,511 --> 00:10:30,989 But this time our names were at least correct on it. 203 00:10:30,989 --> 00:10:34,720 So yay to that, for what that is worth. 204 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,427 It basically sets you up for marketing, because they're 205 00:10:37,447 --> 00:10:40,842 trying to sell your contact information and it's very 206 00:10:40,923 --> 00:10:43,948 blatant, so I'll put the link in the show notes. 207 00:10:44,179 --> 00:10:46,525 Cee Cee: A win is a win, man yeah. 208 00:10:48,630 --> 00:10:49,052 Warren: Excuse me. 209 00:10:49,220 --> 00:10:49,964 Cee Cee: After 2024,. 210 00:10:49,964 --> 00:10:50,687 I'll take any win. 211 00:10:52,297 --> 00:10:56,691 Warren: Yeah, yeah, For me 2024 wasn't that bad looking back. 212 00:10:56,691 --> 00:11:02,332 I mean, you know it wasn't a 2020 or anything like that. 213 00:11:02,332 --> 00:11:06,477 I think we're done with with those type of things, hopefully 214 00:11:06,719 --> 00:11:09,807 yeah, I can be honest like 2024. 215 00:11:10,149 --> 00:11:13,177 Cee Cee: Aside from like the weird stuff, things in my life 216 00:11:13,638 --> 00:11:14,340 were pretty awesome. 217 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:16,323 I mean I had a baby like hello. 218 00:11:16,323 --> 00:11:17,145 I mean that's pretty. 219 00:11:17,145 --> 00:11:19,431 Yeah, like I can't top that. 220 00:11:19,431 --> 00:11:24,105 So, yeah, like I'm no, yeah, like I I get cynical but at the 221 00:11:24,145 --> 00:11:25,548 same time life is good. 222 00:11:25,548 --> 00:11:26,571 I can't really complain. 223 00:11:28,192 --> 00:11:31,768 Warren: No, no, and you know, even professionally, I have a 224 00:11:31,888 --> 00:11:33,552 hard time complaining. 225 00:11:33,552 --> 00:11:38,586 You know I'm not getting as much ammunition for a jaded show 226 00:11:38,586 --> 00:11:43,491 for my own work experiences as I used to get when I first 227 00:11:43,591 --> 00:11:46,635 dreamed up the jaded HR concept and things like that. 228 00:11:46,635 --> 00:11:50,347 So it's a little bit different than having to rely on some of 229 00:11:50,408 --> 00:11:52,272 the news sources. 230 00:11:52,272 --> 00:11:56,628 And actually, speaking of which , two things we didn't do in 231 00:11:56,648 --> 00:12:00,182 2024 and one will never come back is I don't think it'll ever 232 00:12:00,182 --> 00:12:00,543 come back. 233 00:12:00,543 --> 00:12:02,870 We didn't do the holiday song. 234 00:12:02,870 --> 00:12:06,801 I think y'all have suffered enough with my singing for the 235 00:12:07,001 --> 00:12:09,246 first three years of doing that. 236 00:12:09,366 --> 00:12:13,302 But we didn't talk about John Hyman's end of the year list of 237 00:12:13,422 --> 00:12:15,145 worst employers and you know what? 238 00:12:15,145 --> 00:12:21,947 I don't know whether to be happy or sad, but the contenders 239 00:12:21,947 --> 00:12:25,976 there were no teenagers killed or anything like that. 240 00:12:25,976 --> 00:12:27,605 I hate to say it that way. 241 00:12:27,605 --> 00:12:30,750 There were no god-awful ones out there. 242 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:31,745 There were some bad ones. 243 00:12:31,745 --> 00:12:33,596 So it was interesting. 244 00:12:33,596 --> 00:12:38,873 But I did see he already has his first contender for 2025. 245 00:12:38,873 --> 00:12:40,807 I saw earlier today. 246 00:12:40,807 --> 00:12:44,509 I don't know when it was posted , but hey, we're only a week in, 247 00:12:44,509 --> 00:12:47,543 so somebody's doing something out there to try and make the 248 00:12:47,583 --> 00:12:49,206 list for 25. 249 00:12:49,206 --> 00:12:52,854 So yeah, so, fun stuff. 250 00:12:54,561 --> 00:12:58,453 Well, now, I think, would be a good time for you to introduce 251 00:12:58,594 --> 00:13:03,626 to everybody what we've been teasing for a month or two about 252 00:13:03,626 --> 00:13:05,230 what our new segment's going to be. 253 00:13:05,230 --> 00:13:06,393 So take it away. 254 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:14,230 Cee Cee: Yeah, so I am a huge pop culture workplace comedy 255 00:13:14,350 --> 00:13:18,020 connoisseur and it's always, I think this is kind of a passion 256 00:13:18,041 --> 00:13:19,283 project of both of ours. 257 00:13:19,283 --> 00:13:24,190 But we'll be having a segment that's basically HR lessons from 258 00:13:24,190 --> 00:13:28,881 pop culture and, specifically, we're going to be focusing on 259 00:13:29,523 --> 00:13:33,750 the greatest television show to ever grace our presence, which 260 00:13:33,870 --> 00:13:34,952 is the Office. 261 00:13:34,952 --> 00:13:40,509 So Warren and I are going to be picking select episodes the 262 00:13:40,568 --> 00:13:45,004 classics if you will and we'll be dissecting them, but then 263 00:13:45,265 --> 00:13:49,364 looking at them from an HR lens and see what they got right and 264 00:13:49,403 --> 00:13:51,668 what they kind of got very, very wrong. 265 00:13:51,668 --> 00:13:55,344 But yeah, so we're going to start off with the Office. 266 00:13:55,344 --> 00:14:00,097 We might, you know, go into other shows, like maybe Parks 267 00:14:00,118 --> 00:14:05,210 and Recreation or other movies like Office Space or stuff like 268 00:14:05,230 --> 00:14:05,450 that. 269 00:14:05,450 --> 00:14:08,043 So we're also open to suggestions. 270 00:14:08,043 --> 00:14:11,895 So you let us know what you want to hear as well, or like 271 00:14:11,916 --> 00:14:14,384 what you'd like us to dissect from that HR lens. 272 00:14:14,384 --> 00:14:18,618 But yeah, like we're going down the like I said, it's pop 273 00:14:18,658 --> 00:14:20,260 culture through the lens of HR. 274 00:14:22,302 --> 00:14:25,004 Warren: I think that is just such an awesome idea. 275 00:14:25,004 --> 00:14:26,245 I'm glad you brought it up. 276 00:14:26,245 --> 00:14:31,009 If you, dear listener, have suggestions, the show notes have 277 00:14:31,009 --> 00:14:33,351 two ways to easily get in touch with us. 278 00:14:33,351 --> 00:14:38,636 One is a link that just says send us a text and that's 279 00:14:38,836 --> 00:14:39,837 one-way communication. 280 00:14:39,837 --> 00:14:44,666 And when you hit that button, the your text app will open on 281 00:14:44,706 --> 00:14:48,311 your phone and it'll have like six digits as your first number. 282 00:14:48,311 --> 00:14:50,455 Don't delete those, because I'll never get it if you don't, 283 00:14:50,495 --> 00:14:53,525 because that's how the hosting provider sorts. 284 00:14:53,525 --> 00:14:56,351 That six digit is our jaded hr code. 285 00:14:56,351 --> 00:14:59,543 It knows to send it to us versus any of their other shows. 286 00:14:59,543 --> 00:15:01,044 So you can send us that way. 287 00:15:01,466 --> 00:15:07,193 Plus, there's a 252 number in the show notes as well, a phone 288 00:15:07,234 --> 00:15:08,275 number you can just call. 289 00:15:08,275 --> 00:15:09,804 You can leave us a voicemail. 290 00:15:09,804 --> 00:15:10,668 It doesn't ring. 291 00:15:10,668 --> 00:15:12,004 It's a Google voice number. 292 00:15:12,004 --> 00:15:13,470 It doesn't ring anywhere. 293 00:15:13,470 --> 00:15:17,389 I get a voicemail when someone leaves a voice message, but you 294 00:15:17,428 --> 00:15:19,373 could send a text or voice message there. 295 00:15:19,373 --> 00:15:22,722 And yeah, that's two ways you can send suggestions. 296 00:15:22,722 --> 00:15:27,207 You have maybe a favorite episode of the Office or maybe 297 00:15:27,248 --> 00:15:30,692 there's another show that you think needs to be discussed that 298 00:15:30,692 --> 00:15:33,916 has a great HR influence with it. 299 00:15:33,916 --> 00:15:38,006 A Big Bang Theory comes to mind , because they always seem to be 300 00:15:38,006 --> 00:15:41,493 ending up in Regina King's office as their HR manager. 301 00:15:41,533 --> 00:15:45,509 Oh, that's right At some point or another. 302 00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:48,489 So, yeah, so it's funny. 303 00:15:48,489 --> 00:15:51,009 There are some things we can pull out of there. 304 00:15:51,009 --> 00:15:55,510 And, yeah, any workplace comedies that you can think of 305 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:58,208 or maybe they're not comedies, maybe they're dramas, I don't 306 00:15:58,229 --> 00:16:00,688 know, I watch mainly comedy. 307 00:16:00,688 --> 00:16:03,168 So, yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. 308 00:16:03,168 --> 00:16:08,879 I think what we'll do is the, so the, these episodes, the 309 00:16:08,941 --> 00:16:09,942 rewatch, if you will. 310 00:16:09,942 --> 00:16:14,131 Episodes are going to be the third episode of each month, so 311 00:16:14,211 --> 00:16:19,567 this one is going to launch approximately january 30th. 312 00:16:19,567 --> 00:16:25,054 Uh, so, uh, uh, we'll do our regular recording session every 313 00:16:25,095 --> 00:16:27,988 two weeks and then this will be a special one. 314 00:16:27,988 --> 00:16:31,370 And if you have an idea for what would be a good idea, let 315 00:16:31,409 --> 00:16:31,669 us know. 316 00:16:32,081 --> 00:16:35,888 If you're a member of Patreon, I let our Patreon community know 317 00:16:35,948 --> 00:16:36,730 ahead of time. 318 00:16:36,730 --> 00:16:38,614 They're special, they're special. 319 00:16:38,614 --> 00:16:42,344 So they got to know this about two weeks ago and Hallie gave it 320 00:16:42,344 --> 00:16:43,227 a big heart. 321 00:16:43,227 --> 00:16:46,941 And then Bill says awesome, looking forward to it and a new 322 00:16:46,980 --> 00:16:47,240 year. 323 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,691 So, yeah, if you, if you join us on Patreon, patreon has this 324 00:16:51,811 --> 00:16:54,884 new feature where you can chat with us and it's two way 325 00:16:54,923 --> 00:16:55,625 communication. 326 00:16:55,625 --> 00:16:59,961 So go ahead and support us on Patreon and you get to know a 327 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,543 little bit ahead of time what's going on. 328 00:17:01,543 --> 00:17:04,909 I think I've done two Patreon only episodes and then you can 329 00:17:05,328 --> 00:17:08,074 chat with us and we'll respond to it. 330 00:17:08,094 --> 00:17:12,099 Cee Cee: So yay, you can also honestly feel free to slide into 331 00:17:12,099 --> 00:17:13,201 my DMs as well. 332 00:17:13,201 --> 00:17:16,067 I'm boozy B-O-O-Z-Y. 333 00:17:16,067 --> 00:17:21,141 Underscore H-R yeah you can there's a plethora of ways to 334 00:17:21,181 --> 00:17:24,167 contact us, so jump on all of them. 335 00:17:24,188 --> 00:17:26,792 Warren: Your Instagram link is also in the show notes as well. 336 00:17:26,792 --> 00:17:29,568 So, yeah, there's so many ways to reach us. 337 00:17:29,568 --> 00:17:34,067 So, yeah, we really want to get some feedback from you, our 338 00:17:34,126 --> 00:17:34,890 loyal listeners. 339 00:17:34,890 --> 00:17:38,431 I mean, we're coming up on five years of Jaded HR. 340 00:17:38,431 --> 00:17:41,557 It's so hard to believe that. 341 00:17:41,557 --> 00:17:45,005 You know we're almost at five years Wow, crazy. 342 00:17:45,005 --> 00:17:49,002 But yeah, this will be something good, this will be 343 00:17:49,022 --> 00:17:49,282 something fun. 344 00:17:49,282 --> 00:17:51,027 I'm really looking forward to it. 345 00:17:51,027 --> 00:17:56,845 So, yay, I'm trying to think of anything happening in I I. 346 00:17:56,845 --> 00:17:58,628 I am not prepared. 347 00:17:58,690 --> 00:17:59,991 I did not do any homework. 348 00:17:59,991 --> 00:18:02,863 Obviously, I was telling you off the air that I've been 349 00:18:03,044 --> 00:18:06,311 talking for months, months, about my son and his search for 350 00:18:06,332 --> 00:18:07,032 an internship. 351 00:18:07,032 --> 00:18:10,730 Well, he's got his very first ever interview tomorrow. 352 00:18:10,730 --> 00:18:13,808 So by the time this airs, you know it'll be over. 353 00:18:13,808 --> 00:18:18,911 I doubt he'll have an answer or not, but he's got an internship 354 00:18:18,911 --> 00:18:21,500 interview tomorrow with a company in Fargo, north Dakota. 355 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:25,732 So I looked at the stats to see in Fargo, north Dakota. 356 00:18:25,732 --> 00:18:28,787 So I looked at the stats to see we do have probably a single 357 00:18:28,807 --> 00:18:29,875 listener in Fargo, north Dakota. 358 00:18:29,875 --> 00:18:30,259 How many Fargo? 359 00:18:30,259 --> 00:18:31,786 I don't know how many episodes. 360 00:18:31,786 --> 00:18:34,987 Yeah, yeah, I just told them to stay away from the wood 361 00:18:35,007 --> 00:18:35,428 chippers. 362 00:18:36,567 --> 00:18:38,801 Cee Cee: I just pictured like this one person listening to our 363 00:18:38,801 --> 00:18:42,105 podcast at their desk and they're just like me, me. 364 00:18:45,144 --> 00:18:46,145 Warren: Yeah, we have. 365 00:18:46,145 --> 00:18:49,884 They haven't listened to all the episodes, but yeah, I just 366 00:18:50,244 --> 00:18:51,229 looked up and we have. 367 00:18:51,229 --> 00:18:54,588 We have a listener who's listened to a few dozen episodes 368 00:18:54,588 --> 00:18:55,310 up in Fargo. 369 00:18:56,020 --> 00:18:56,383 Cee Cee: Well, listen, fargo. 370 00:18:56,383 --> 00:18:57,528 We have a back catalog. 371 00:18:57,528 --> 00:18:58,684 You can listen to all of them. 372 00:19:00,380 --> 00:19:02,028 Warren: Exactly, exactly. 373 00:19:02,028 --> 00:19:04,127 So yeah, I'm really excited about that. 374 00:19:04,127 --> 00:19:07,522 We I've been doing practice interviews with him to the point 375 00:19:07,522 --> 00:19:10,625 where he's just completely annoyed with me. 376 00:19:10,625 --> 00:19:15,989 And you know, he's a senior in college, he's never even had a 377 00:19:16,028 --> 00:19:19,652 job interview before or anything like that, so it's going to be 378 00:19:19,791 --> 00:19:20,413 interesting. 379 00:19:20,413 --> 00:19:23,335 So I'm excited for him. 380 00:19:23,335 --> 00:19:24,395 I hope he's excited. 381 00:19:24,395 --> 00:19:26,557 I hope it goes well, so yay. 382 00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:27,722 Cee Cee: I'm sure it will. 383 00:19:27,722 --> 00:19:29,529 The first interview is always nerve wracking. 384 00:19:31,140 --> 00:19:34,247 Warren: Yeah, yeah, and you know if, if he doesn't get it, I 385 00:19:34,307 --> 00:19:39,682 mean it'll suck, but it's a good interview experience and you 386 00:19:39,721 --> 00:19:41,825 know it is in Fargo. 387 00:19:41,825 --> 00:19:44,728 You know he, he is very interested in going to Fargo. 388 00:19:44,728 --> 00:19:48,352 So Every time we look to apply for a job, there's been, you 389 00:19:48,372 --> 00:19:51,536 know there's been places no, we're not going to go there or 390 00:19:51,635 --> 00:19:52,176 anything like that. 391 00:19:52,176 --> 00:19:54,705 But when he saw this one and wanted to apply, I'm like, okay, 392 00:19:54,705 --> 00:19:57,932 yeah, we can, you know, check it out and give it a shot. 393 00:19:57,932 --> 00:20:02,349 And so this is so far the only positive response he's gotten. 394 00:20:02,349 --> 00:20:06,599 But if know, anybody hiring a geography gis intern for summer 395 00:20:06,619 --> 00:20:09,065 2025, let me know. 396 00:20:09,065 --> 00:20:10,848 So, yeah, that's gonna be. 397 00:20:10,929 --> 00:20:12,893 Cee Cee: It's gonna be fun seeing the world through his 398 00:20:13,113 --> 00:20:17,587 eyes yeah, things like that so oh, just think, in like 18 years 399 00:20:17,587 --> 00:20:24,145 I'll be hopefully sending mine off to college and then maybe 400 00:20:24,507 --> 00:20:28,461 that helping her get her new job and then her being like oh mom 401 00:20:28,501 --> 00:20:29,944 god, leave me alone. 402 00:20:29,964 --> 00:20:32,391 Warren: That's not how they do it, leave me alone, mom that's 403 00:20:32,411 --> 00:20:38,107 not how they do it now okay, see , the thing is with my daughter. 404 00:20:38,709 --> 00:20:41,653 She was much more open to my suggestions. 405 00:20:41,653 --> 00:20:44,807 Maybe she's just nicer and sweeter and won't tell me to go 406 00:20:44,928 --> 00:20:45,429 F myself. 407 00:20:45,429 --> 00:20:48,345 My son is very prone to leave me alone. 408 00:20:48,345 --> 00:20:49,748 Dad, get away, I'm tired. 409 00:20:49,748 --> 00:20:51,692 Okay, you've had your fun. 410 00:20:51,692 --> 00:20:54,443 I played your little interviewing game with you. 411 00:20:54,443 --> 00:20:55,666 Let's, let's move on. 412 00:20:55,666 --> 00:21:00,103 But my daughter was more into it and things like that, and so, 413 00:21:00,103 --> 00:21:02,768 yes, that'll be. 414 00:21:02,768 --> 00:21:05,834 That'll be interesting to see how that. 415 00:21:05,834 --> 00:21:10,403 But the world of HR, what has happened since the new year? 416 00:21:10,403 --> 00:21:11,828 I can't, really I can't. 417 00:21:13,101 --> 00:21:16,652 Cee Cee: The only thing I can think of is, like, personally in 418 00:21:16,652 --> 00:21:21,670 my world, it's just, we are in talent calibrations and I know a 419 00:21:21,670 --> 00:21:24,199 lot of companies are going through performance reviews 420 00:21:24,279 --> 00:21:27,883 right now, or at least doing their annual evaluations. 421 00:21:27,883 --> 00:21:30,765 So so, yeah, like best of luck to you all. 422 00:21:30,765 --> 00:21:35,710 I'm very fortunate to have a bunch of really great HR, like 423 00:21:35,730 --> 00:21:39,673 an HR business partner team that supports it. 424 00:21:39,673 --> 00:21:43,916 So, yeah, we're on schedule, we're on time and people will be 425 00:21:43,916 --> 00:21:46,846 getting their reviews in a couple weeks and I am excited, 426 00:21:47,221 --> 00:21:50,971 I'm glad that we can close the 2024 chapter down. 427 00:21:50,971 --> 00:21:54,489 And then, like this is how crazy the year is for 428 00:21:54,528 --> 00:21:55,692 performance management. 429 00:21:55,692 --> 00:22:00,009 It's like we're not even done with talent calibrations, let 430 00:22:00,048 --> 00:22:03,767 alone going into performance discussions, and I had to have a 431 00:22:03,767 --> 00:22:06,541 kickoff meeting today about goal setting, because right 432 00:22:06,682 --> 00:22:10,926 after annual goal setting, like it just you know, it's just the 433 00:22:10,967 --> 00:22:14,865 wheel, it just keeps going and it's already like I'm already 434 00:22:14,905 --> 00:22:17,546 planning for February and I'm not even seven days into January 435 00:22:17,546 --> 00:22:17,546 . 436 00:22:18,869 --> 00:22:19,050 Warren: Yep. 437 00:22:19,050 --> 00:22:23,569 Well, we're at the tail end, we're wrapping up. 438 00:22:23,569 --> 00:22:27,381 All our performance reviews have been done, completed, most 439 00:22:27,401 --> 00:22:28,164 have been signed. 440 00:22:28,164 --> 00:22:32,000 Employees are dragging their feet about signing and you know 441 00:22:32,162 --> 00:22:36,569 the salary increases that were proposed went into effect 442 00:22:36,750 --> 00:22:40,140 January 4th for everybody, so that's really exciting. 443 00:22:40,220 --> 00:22:44,769 So, what I'm waiting for, though , is because I guarantee and I 444 00:22:44,788 --> 00:22:49,563 can name the managers who didn't do a good job January, let's 445 00:22:49,583 --> 00:22:56,732 say 10th, we get paid, but that is the last pay of 2024. 446 00:22:56,732 --> 00:22:57,595 And you're raising. 447 00:22:57,595 --> 00:23:02,886 I'm already bracing myself for a dozen phone calls or more. 448 00:23:02,886 --> 00:23:06,800 On the 10th, my raise wasn't in my check, and I can tell you 449 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:09,949 the managers that weren't clear to let them know oh, this is a. 450 00:23:09,949 --> 00:23:10,971 You'll see this. 451 00:23:10,971 --> 00:23:12,544 It's effective January 4th. 452 00:23:12,544 --> 00:23:15,714 You will see it on your January 24th check. 453 00:23:15,714 --> 00:23:19,384 I so I'm already bracing myself for that. 454 00:23:19,384 --> 00:23:23,432 Uh, and you know that's not the employee's fault, that's a 455 00:23:23,471 --> 00:23:28,446 manager fault who, like I said, 90% of the people who call for 456 00:23:28,467 --> 00:23:29,670 that question are going to be. 457 00:23:29,670 --> 00:23:32,304 It's going to be because the manager didn't do their job 458 00:23:32,605 --> 00:23:35,531 effectively, and the employee just doesn't know. 459 00:23:35,531 --> 00:23:39,166 And then the 10% weren't listening, or, when their 460 00:23:39,186 --> 00:23:41,553 manager did, tell them it was the effective date. 461 00:23:41,573 --> 00:23:45,903 So, yeah, it's going to be good, but I'm already starting. 462 00:23:45,903 --> 00:23:50,358 You know, as soon as I launch my review process, I create a 463 00:23:50,419 --> 00:23:54,528 document in the postmortem, I call it for the reviews and I 464 00:23:54,588 --> 00:23:56,272 write down things that could be done better. 465 00:23:56,272 --> 00:23:59,953 We need change for next year, and I'm going to be going over 466 00:24:00,054 --> 00:24:04,213 that later with my assistant, and Thursday we have our, our, 467 00:24:04,233 --> 00:24:08,565 our meeting, our kickoff meeting for 1095s with our our provider 468 00:24:08,565 --> 00:24:09,086 on that. 469 00:24:09,086 --> 00:24:14,694 So, yay, a lot of fun, uh, there, and yeah, it is so 470 00:24:14,819 --> 00:24:18,227 cyclical and there's so much going on right now. 471 00:24:18,227 --> 00:24:23,522 You know it was nice that, like the, the last week of, you know 472 00:24:23,522 --> 00:24:26,329 , december, the first week, week of January were somewhat slower 473 00:24:26,329 --> 00:24:30,186 overall, but now it's like we're got to get right back in 474 00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:31,672 the saddle because here it comes again. 475 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,267 Cee Cee: Yeah, I went through that weird space in time where 476 00:24:35,428 --> 00:24:38,080 it was like between Christmas and New Year's and it was just, 477 00:24:38,321 --> 00:24:42,069 I think we were all in this temporal time warp of just 478 00:24:43,092 --> 00:24:43,634 insanity. 479 00:24:43,634 --> 00:24:46,488 And now it's like coming back and you have to, like you know, 480 00:24:46,647 --> 00:24:47,872 start running a new marathon. 481 00:24:47,872 --> 00:24:51,666 It was this week's been a little you know, just catching 482 00:24:51,686 --> 00:24:54,132 up on the emails, just getting my ass kicked a little bit with 483 00:24:54,152 --> 00:24:55,213 all the things I need to do. 484 00:24:57,141 --> 00:25:02,666 Warren: Yeah, yeah, it's you know, but I'm looking forward to 485 00:25:02,666 --> 00:25:03,868 2025. 486 00:25:03,868 --> 00:25:06,291 I think that you know. 487 00:25:06,291 --> 00:25:09,182 Even the title of the show is jaded hr. 488 00:25:09,182 --> 00:25:12,348 I'm I'm really optimistic, I'm looking forward to it. 489 00:25:12,348 --> 00:25:15,863 I I think that it's going to be a good year. 490 00:25:15,962 --> 00:25:18,586 Cee Cee: So yeah, oh, I don't think I told you this um. 491 00:25:18,586 --> 00:25:23,113 2025 is going to be a fantastic year, because it is the year I 492 00:25:23,153 --> 00:25:23,753 turn 40. 493 00:25:27,277 --> 00:25:27,377 Warren: 40. 494 00:25:27,377 --> 00:25:28,182 40. 495 00:25:28,182 --> 00:25:32,045 Yes. 496 00:25:33,008 --> 00:25:34,251 Cee Cee: I have mixed feelings about it. 497 00:25:34,251 --> 00:25:38,873 It's fine, it's fun, it's a new era, it'll be good, but I'm 498 00:25:38,913 --> 00:25:41,548 kind of excited about there you go 2025. 499 00:25:41,548 --> 00:25:45,505 The year I turn into a real adult 40. 500 00:25:46,027 --> 00:25:46,729 Warren: A real adult. 501 00:25:46,729 --> 00:25:49,163 Oh, congrats. 502 00:25:49,723 --> 00:25:52,028 Cee Cee: Thank you, congratulations on that, yeah, 503 00:25:52,890 --> 00:25:53,391 yeah. 504 00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:56,442 Warren: Does that officially make you an elder millennial or 505 00:25:56,603 --> 00:25:59,910 are you like in the sweet spot of millennials? 506 00:25:59,910 --> 00:26:02,442 Where does that fall in the millennial spectrum? 507 00:26:02,603 --> 00:26:04,286 Cee Cee: Oh, I've always been elder, because I think the 508 00:26:04,326 --> 00:26:10,897 cutoff is 82, so I've always been elder with that elder meant 509 00:26:10,897 --> 00:26:11,398 millennials. 510 00:26:11,398 --> 00:26:17,753 Okay, yeah, so yeah I am, I am, I am your elder I millennials, 511 00:26:18,655 --> 00:26:21,482 uh or z's or whoever come, come talk to me, I am. 512 00:26:21,482 --> 00:26:24,912 I'll tell you about the days before social media. 513 00:26:26,882 --> 00:26:28,047 Warren: Yeah, exactly. 514 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,645 Cee Cee: And what an AOL room was. 515 00:26:31,701 --> 00:26:41,770 Warren: Ooh, hey, okay, Fun fact , I in 99-ish I hired the first 516 00:26:42,355 --> 00:26:48,993 developer for the Mac version of AOL Instant Messenger for AOL 517 00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:52,751 and then, because he was the program manager for it, he ended 518 00:26:52,751 --> 00:26:54,920 up knowing all these other people could do Mac development 519 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,943 and I ended up hiring majority of the team for the very first 520 00:26:59,025 --> 00:27:05,872 version of maybe it was 98 for AOL Instant Messenger. 521 00:27:05,872 --> 00:27:07,534 That was something really cool. 522 00:27:08,034 --> 00:27:14,228 Going to the AOL I've never seen a business campus before in 523 00:27:14,248 --> 00:27:20,804 that realm and going to see campus- oh, I miss the campus it 524 00:27:20,804 --> 00:27:23,890 was so much like a collegiate campus kids running around in 525 00:27:24,111 --> 00:27:27,258 backpacks and even on skateboards and stuff among the 526 00:27:27,798 --> 00:27:28,380 various buildings. 527 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:34,926 But when you got into a coding area, imagine a large building 528 00:27:35,606 --> 00:27:38,951 where when you get off the elevators other than the 529 00:27:39,070 --> 00:27:42,473 elevators and the restrooms and the pillars holding it up you 530 00:27:42,513 --> 00:27:47,967 can see the entire floor of the building from there and all you 531 00:27:47,987 --> 00:27:50,682 hear is the click, click, click, click of keyboards and you know 532 00:27:50,682 --> 00:27:53,433 the lights are not turned on in the building and some people 533 00:27:53,493 --> 00:27:58,268 have lamps and other things and it was just so weird going in. 534 00:27:58,268 --> 00:28:00,692 I've never seen that type of environment before. 535 00:28:00,692 --> 00:28:05,570 I actually happened to be on the AOL campus in Ashburn, 536 00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:10,327 virginia, the day someone dumped off like three dump trucks full 537 00:28:10,327 --> 00:28:13,240 of those AOL discs you used to get all the time. 538 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,351 Someone collected them and sent them back to them. 539 00:28:16,351 --> 00:28:17,433 I have to be there. 540 00:28:17,433 --> 00:28:20,223 Like the day or day after that got delivered, I got to see the 541 00:28:20,284 --> 00:28:25,394 piles of AOL discs that somebody had done there, that was pretty 542 00:28:25,394 --> 00:28:25,493 cool. 543 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:31,131 So yeah, the 90s in Northern Virginia, the IT boom was really 544 00:28:31,131 --> 00:28:32,973 really cool. 545 00:28:33,821 --> 00:28:35,961 Cee Cee: And now when I see somebody who's still, did you 546 00:28:36,021 --> 00:28:36,846 work for AOL? 547 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:42,912 Warren: No, we were a contractor , a third-party recruiting firm, 548 00:28:42,912 --> 00:28:44,536 and they were one of our clients. 549 00:28:44,675 --> 00:28:45,337 Cee Cee: Oh, that's awesome. 550 00:28:45,337 --> 00:28:48,246 I want to point out the fact that you hired the team that 551 00:28:48,286 --> 00:28:53,344 basically created AOL Instant Messenger, and I feel like you 552 00:28:53,384 --> 00:28:54,227 need some credit. 553 00:28:54,428 --> 00:28:54,729 Warren: Or Mac. 554 00:28:54,729 --> 00:28:57,446 They already had it for PC. 555 00:28:57,888 --> 00:28:58,611 Cee Cee: Or PC for Mac. 556 00:28:58,611 --> 00:29:03,928 So I feel like some credit should go to you, because 557 00:29:04,028 --> 00:29:08,535 Butterfly Effect if there was some bad selections it wouldn't 558 00:29:08,555 --> 00:29:08,894 have worked. 559 00:29:08,894 --> 00:29:12,387 So I thank your recruiter, that's all I'm saying. 560 00:29:13,592 --> 00:29:16,188 Warren: Yep, that was my recruiting gig. 561 00:29:16,188 --> 00:29:17,464 It was so funny back then. 562 00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:22,269 The companies we work for and where they are now like AOL was 563 00:29:22,469 --> 00:29:26,414 one of our clients, but like MCI WorldCom, which doesn't exist 564 00:29:26,476 --> 00:29:26,700 anymore. 565 00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:29,467 Remember, when you had telecommunications and you had 566 00:29:29,507 --> 00:29:33,424 to pay for long distance and shit like that, mci WorldCom was 567 00:29:33,424 --> 00:29:34,208 one of my clients. 568 00:29:34,208 --> 00:29:35,522 I'm just trying to think of. 569 00:29:36,044 --> 00:29:39,413 The only client that I think is still around and doing very, 570 00:29:39,539 --> 00:29:41,548 very well is MicroStrategy. 571 00:29:41,548 --> 00:29:41,980 They were. 572 00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:44,106 We were in Tyson's Corner, virginia. 573 00:29:44,106 --> 00:29:46,463 They were literally around the corner. 574 00:29:46,463 --> 00:29:48,209 We used to call it the shopping bag building. 575 00:29:48,209 --> 00:29:49,821 If you've ever been to Tyson's Corner, that's where 576 00:29:49,862 --> 00:29:55,373 MicroStrategy was, at least in the 90s, and now they're killing 577 00:29:55,373 --> 00:29:57,586 it with the whole Bitcoin thing . 578 00:29:57,586 --> 00:30:02,078 So, yeah, if I bought some stock in the 90s from them, I'd 579 00:30:02,098 --> 00:30:03,260 be retired now probably. 580 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,006 But yeah, it's so interesting to think of the clients I work 581 00:30:06,066 --> 00:30:10,834 with and how, in the telecom industry, none of them are 582 00:30:10,874 --> 00:30:11,674 around anymore. 583 00:30:11,674 --> 00:30:14,832 Aol is a shadow of what they used to be. 584 00:30:14,832 --> 00:30:16,319 Microstrategy is still around. 585 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:20,428 I can't think of any other clients I service with IT and 586 00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:22,632 people with government. 587 00:30:22,632 --> 00:30:23,554 We had some government. 588 00:30:23,554 --> 00:30:28,151 We placed some people like north of Grumman and places like 589 00:30:28,151 --> 00:30:29,865 that, but so they're still around. 590 00:30:29,865 --> 00:30:33,917 But yeah, it was really weird, really really cool, really 591 00:30:33,999 --> 00:30:36,748 different and, yeah, fun stuff. 592 00:30:36,748 --> 00:30:40,027 Back then Shoot it was technical recruiting, then was 593 00:30:40,047 --> 00:30:41,150 shooting fish in a barrel. 594 00:30:41,150 --> 00:30:45,563 I couldn't believe I was getting paid to do that and paid 595 00:30:45,563 --> 00:30:48,269 well and making commission and all that. 596 00:30:48,269 --> 00:30:48,890 It was a fun time. 597 00:30:52,122 --> 00:30:52,865 Cee Cee: That's awesome. 598 00:30:54,221 --> 00:30:55,006 Warren: Late 90s. 599 00:30:56,101 --> 00:31:00,409 Cee Cee: I also want to point out I think probably late 90s, 600 00:31:00,548 --> 00:31:04,015 early 2000s was probably the prime time for a corporate 601 00:31:04,055 --> 00:31:04,635 campus. 602 00:31:04,635 --> 00:31:09,144 I worked on a corporate campus before everything just basically 603 00:31:09,144 --> 00:31:11,990 got dismantled because of the way it is now. 604 00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:18,368 But like, I love a campus and I like, if you give me a good 605 00:31:18,409 --> 00:31:23,026 camp, so where I worked, like I worked for the home office of 606 00:31:23,326 --> 00:31:27,221 Luxottica and at and like it's here in Cincinnati, and one of 607 00:31:27,241 --> 00:31:32,192 the like, the really cool things is like we had an on-site gym. 608 00:31:32,192 --> 00:31:35,948 We had what was it people service that would come pick up 609 00:31:35,968 --> 00:31:37,571 your clothes and drop it off the next day. 610 00:31:37,571 --> 00:31:41,488 We had a cafeteria and like I think the company put stipends 611 00:31:41,567 --> 00:31:43,952 into it to basically lower the cost for us. 612 00:31:43,952 --> 00:31:45,506 You could have like a really cheap lunch. 613 00:31:45,506 --> 00:31:47,768 That was really like, honestly, it was really decent. 614 00:31:47,768 --> 00:31:51,122 There was walking trails, there was, I mean, there is like all 615 00:31:51,202 --> 00:31:58,112 this stuff that I'm like I'm so nostalgic for because it created 616 00:31:58,112 --> 00:32:00,655 such a really fun culture. 617 00:32:00,740 --> 00:32:02,708 I think we talked about this before on the podcast. 618 00:32:02,708 --> 00:32:05,846 Like I work with people who are in my wedding. 619 00:32:05,846 --> 00:32:08,190 I was in people's, my coworkers' weddings. 620 00:32:08,190 --> 00:32:12,527 It was just such a fun time and I'm not sure if it's the campus 621 00:32:12,527 --> 00:32:17,040 or just the nostalgia of being early career amongst a bunch of 622 00:32:17,141 --> 00:32:19,070 other people who are early career like you. 623 00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:20,297 I can't put my finger on it. 624 00:32:20,297 --> 00:32:23,728 Maybe it was a little bit of both, but I miss the campus and 625 00:32:23,867 --> 00:32:24,971 I will die on it. 626 00:32:24,971 --> 00:32:25,701 Hell, no, don't tell me. 627 00:32:25,701 --> 00:32:28,229 I have to come to that campus every single day and I can never 628 00:32:28,229 --> 00:32:28,609 be late. 629 00:32:28,609 --> 00:32:30,224 Like then we're going to have problems. 630 00:32:30,224 --> 00:32:34,788 I will beat you up, like, but I would love a campus that I can 631 00:32:35,169 --> 00:32:35,590 go to. 632 00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:42,290 Warren: My wife's company has a campus and it is. 633 00:32:42,290 --> 00:32:44,275 It used to be really cool. 634 00:32:44,275 --> 00:32:45,096 They did the same thing. 635 00:32:45,096 --> 00:32:46,520 They had a employee gym. 636 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,537 My wife broke her leg in the employee gym there and but they 637 00:32:51,616 --> 00:32:52,599 they had a cafeteria. 638 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:58,690 At first the food was free and then they made it like $3. 639 00:32:58,690 --> 00:33:02,583 So $3 and their food was good and they would even have like 640 00:33:02,603 --> 00:33:04,127 seafood days where they would have things like shrimp for $3 641 00:33:04,188 --> 00:33:05,732 and their food was good and they would even have like seafood 642 00:33:05,752 --> 00:33:07,439 days where they would have things like shrimp for $3 and 643 00:33:07,459 --> 00:33:09,686 shrimp and fish and it was really good. 644 00:33:09,686 --> 00:33:12,670 They had a hotel on their campus. 645 00:33:12,670 --> 00:33:15,747 They still do have a hotel, I should say, on their campus for 646 00:33:15,847 --> 00:33:17,531 visitors and things like that. 647 00:33:17,531 --> 00:33:21,309 They do training there, among other things. 648 00:33:21,309 --> 00:33:25,161 They actually have their own airport on their campus, so it's 649 00:33:25,161 --> 00:33:27,404 a really, really cool thing. 650 00:33:27,825 --> 00:33:34,400 But now she goes to the office every other week for one day and 651 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,787 she's not even there for the full day, unless she absolutely 652 00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:39,967 has to or she decides I'm going to hang out and talk with the 653 00:33:40,047 --> 00:33:44,021 other people that are here, because she's not required to be 654 00:33:44,021 --> 00:33:44,182 there. 655 00:33:44,182 --> 00:33:47,406 She's actually removed all of her personal belongings out of 656 00:33:47,448 --> 00:33:51,314 her office, so her office looks pretty vacant now. 657 00:33:51,314 --> 00:33:56,502 And then she says sometimes it makes me feel sad, but sometimes 658 00:33:56,502 --> 00:33:58,226 I'm like eh, don't care when she goes to her office and it's 659 00:33:58,267 --> 00:34:00,971 completely empty, like it's not even hers anymore. 660 00:34:00,971 --> 00:34:05,294 So, yeah, I've never worked in that environment, but I think it 661 00:34:05,294 --> 00:34:12,056 would be a mix of being a young professional and having all 662 00:34:12,115 --> 00:34:16,398 those amenities right there for you, like a gym, go out to lunch 663 00:34:16,398 --> 00:34:18,759 with your friends, or maybe you've been just going to go get 664 00:34:18,759 --> 00:34:19,199 a snack. 665 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,570 Hey, let's, let's go get a parfait or something like that. 666 00:34:22,570 --> 00:34:26,545 You know, let's take five, go get a parfait, snacks, pancakes, 667 00:34:26,545 --> 00:34:26,887 whatever. 668 00:34:27,601 --> 00:34:33,681 I think that there is something to being in that 20, the early 669 00:34:33,742 --> 00:34:36,831 30-something and working with a bunch of other 20 to 670 00:34:36,891 --> 00:34:39,987 30-somethings in that type of environment. 671 00:34:39,987 --> 00:34:42,528 I think it would be pretty darn awesome. 672 00:34:42,528 --> 00:34:46,668 Like I said, I never worked on a campus, but I can just see it 673 00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:49,159 and know what other people have experienced, heard what other 674 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,141 people experienced. 675 00:34:50,141 --> 00:34:53,449 I think that would be pretty cool stuff. 676 00:34:53,449 --> 00:34:56,603 But yeah, I don't know how much you have that anymore. 677 00:34:56,682 --> 00:34:58,588 Cee Cee: Yeah, it's not there. 678 00:34:58,588 --> 00:34:59,251 But you know what? 679 00:34:59,251 --> 00:35:01,376 Everything it's like a pendulum . 680 00:35:01,376 --> 00:35:05,561 Everything swings in one way to the extreme and then it swings 681 00:35:05,641 --> 00:35:06,505 back into the other way. 682 00:35:06,505 --> 00:35:09,056 I wouldn't be surprised in like 10 years. 683 00:35:09,056 --> 00:35:11,784 There's a resurgence of like returning to the office full 684 00:35:11,824 --> 00:35:16,974 time or something, because whatever, um, I don't know, I 685 00:35:17,019 --> 00:35:17,360 don't know. 686 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,407 I I kind of see something coming back. 687 00:35:19,407 --> 00:35:23,402 I don't think it's gonna be this remote forever unless you 688 00:35:23,422 --> 00:35:24,206 take a remote job. 689 00:35:24,206 --> 00:35:28,490 I think people hunger for it honestly, because I think we're 690 00:35:28,512 --> 00:35:32,601 just a social humans are social beings so there's only going to 691 00:35:32,621 --> 00:35:36,867 be so much that people can take from video interactions that I 692 00:35:36,947 --> 00:35:41,713 think we're going to see some amount of need and want from the 693 00:35:41,713 --> 00:35:45,036 employee to have that physical connectedness again. 694 00:35:45,036 --> 00:35:47,706 So I could be wrong, but that's what I predict. 695 00:35:49,371 --> 00:35:51,445 Warren: I agree, I absolutely agree. 696 00:35:51,445 --> 00:35:54,971 I voluntarily have given up my work from home day. 697 00:35:54,971 --> 00:35:59,385 I can still do it if I want, but by the time, you know, for 698 00:35:59,405 --> 00:36:02,273 my, I was only doing, I was allowed to do it up to two days 699 00:36:02,333 --> 00:36:02,592 a week. 700 00:36:02,592 --> 00:36:03,985 I only did it once. 701 00:36:03,985 --> 00:36:06,757 For my, I was only doing, I was allowed to do it up to two days 702 00:36:06,757 --> 00:36:07,380 a week, I only did it once. 703 00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:11,485 And just you know, first were problems packing up the computer 704 00:36:11,485 --> 00:36:12,690 , remembering the charge, or both leaving office and coming 705 00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:14,456 going back to the office and having to charge her. 706 00:36:14,818 --> 00:36:18,726 You know, doing this it was and I feel so much more productive 707 00:36:19,108 --> 00:36:23,985 in the office and I like I like the interaction with the people 708 00:36:24,005 --> 00:36:25,351 and half my day is people coming into my office and I like I 709 00:36:25,371 --> 00:36:26,938 like the interaction with the people and half my day is people 710 00:36:26,938 --> 00:36:30,512 coming into my office and needing a question answered or 711 00:36:30,932 --> 00:36:33,101 having a problem that I can solve, or something like that. 712 00:36:33,101 --> 00:36:35,867 And when I'm not in the office, they're not calling me, they're 713 00:36:35,867 --> 00:36:39,164 not chatting me, they're, they're not doing those things 714 00:36:39,204 --> 00:36:39,483 as I. 715 00:36:39,483 --> 00:36:43,001 Where we work, it's just hey, I'm going, hey, warren, can I 716 00:36:43,021 --> 00:36:44,266 come in and ask you a quick question? 717 00:36:44,266 --> 00:36:45,983 And that's how it works. 718 00:36:45,983 --> 00:36:52,114 And so I decided, you know, when it's slow and I'm working 719 00:36:52,153 --> 00:36:57,807 remote, it's almost painful, whereas if it's slow and I'm in 720 00:36:57,847 --> 00:37:02,561 the office, hey, I can chit chat with somebody. 721 00:37:02,561 --> 00:37:07,315 I've got other things to do or, you know, I'll be there for 722 00:37:07,335 --> 00:37:11,791 that person who has that one-off question or something like that 723 00:37:11,791 --> 00:37:11,791 . 724 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,902 So I, like I said, I voluntarily gave up my work from home and 725 00:37:17,242 --> 00:37:21,922 actually this is my first time in my office recording this. 726 00:37:21,922 --> 00:37:22,865 Since what? 727 00:37:22,865 --> 00:37:26,791 A month ago, when we last recorded an episode I've not 728 00:37:26,833 --> 00:37:28,539 been up here for for anything. 729 00:37:28,539 --> 00:37:29,440 So actually I had. 730 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,326 I came up a half hour before and turned the heat on, because 731 00:37:33,108 --> 00:37:35,672 the heat hasn't been on up on the side of the house, because I 732 00:37:35,672 --> 00:37:37,635 don't, I don't use it. 733 00:37:37,635 --> 00:37:39,083 So, yeah, I wanted to. 734 00:37:39,083 --> 00:37:44,032 It's just different, it's just, it's just different, it's just 735 00:37:44,634 --> 00:37:45,755 different. 736 00:37:45,755 --> 00:38:00,291 So, yeah, yeah, social interaction is. 737 00:38:00,291 --> 00:38:04,454 I still have friends with people I work with at that IT 738 00:38:04,494 --> 00:38:06,356 company in Northern Virginia in the 90s. 739 00:38:06,356 --> 00:38:11,695 I'm still friends with a couple of people from there and it's a 740 00:38:11,695 --> 00:38:12,300 different environment. 741 00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:17,824 I don't think you can have that interaction, that camaraderie, 742 00:38:19,027 --> 00:38:23,021 working remote, because I think the the people there and at 743 00:38:23,101 --> 00:38:25,367 other places I've worked have been what makes it, you know, 744 00:38:25,507 --> 00:38:26,389 special, if you will. 745 00:38:26,389 --> 00:38:27,972 Yeah, this is so unjaded. 746 00:38:29,094 --> 00:38:33,333 I know it's like Hallmark movie type thing, but no. 747 00:38:33,512 --> 00:38:36,141 Cee Cee: I always think, also, like working remotely, if you're 748 00:38:36,141 --> 00:38:38,748 gonna do it a hundred percent of the time, I think it also 749 00:38:38,788 --> 00:38:40,911 depends on where you are in life . 750 00:38:40,911 --> 00:38:44,659 And I like, because I'm thinking like, okay, I think of 751 00:38:44,699 --> 00:38:50,090 myself when I was new to career and I didn't know, you know, 752 00:38:50,713 --> 00:38:53,405 aside from a couple internships, there are certain things you 753 00:38:53,425 --> 00:38:56,213 just don't know until you work in an office and you're actually 754 00:38:56,213 --> 00:38:59,389 on a payroll, a lot of those things being those special 755 00:38:59,710 --> 00:39:03,297 social things, and you know how you interact with people. 756 00:39:03,297 --> 00:39:07,688 I don't know if we, I don't know if we talked about it on 757 00:39:07,708 --> 00:39:10,072 here, but I forget the number but there's a lot of Gen Z 758 00:39:10,273 --> 00:39:15,528 getting terminated or fired because of a lack of performance 759 00:39:15,528 --> 00:39:19,476 or just inappropriate behaviors or stuff like that. 760 00:39:19,476 --> 00:39:27,369 And I'm like, or stuff like that, and I'm like, oh my God, 761 00:39:27,389 --> 00:39:29,576 some like I think working in an office, early career with people 762 00:39:29,576 --> 00:39:31,561 is so beneficial to you professionally. 763 00:39:31,561 --> 00:39:33,284 Um, yeah, like I think that's so necessary. 764 00:39:33,465 --> 00:39:37,673 But then, on the flip side, I'm like, I am so flippant. 765 00:39:37,693 --> 00:39:41,608 Thank you, like, thankful, and I'm going to say I w I was very 766 00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:45,744 privileged to be able to work from home while I was pregnant 767 00:39:46,186 --> 00:39:50,655 and one like and returning to work after having a baby and 768 00:39:50,695 --> 00:39:52,079 like that to me. 769 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,467 I mean, I can't imagine what it would have been like to have to 770 00:39:57,309 --> 00:40:02,840 commute 35, 40 minutes every day , um, without you know the 771 00:40:02,905 --> 00:40:05,746 ability, like if I was had morning sickness I would have to 772 00:40:05,746 --> 00:40:08,474 pull over the side of the road and puke or all of like the 773 00:40:08,514 --> 00:40:12,177 weird things, all of the weird things a woman's body does while 774 00:40:12,177 --> 00:40:14,706 she's pregnant, like having to be in a conference room and like 775 00:40:14,706 --> 00:40:17,757 almost pee your pants or something like all those things. 776 00:40:17,757 --> 00:40:21,128 I'm so happy I was able to work from home, remotely, and I 777 00:40:21,188 --> 00:40:23,190 think there I think there's something to be said about 778 00:40:23,231 --> 00:40:26,317 meeting people where they are in a lot of the ways and giving 779 00:40:26,336 --> 00:40:27,940 them space to be flexible. 780 00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:31,291 Like if they need to work from home for a small season and 781 00:40:31,311 --> 00:40:34,706 they're still able to do their job and do it well, let them, if 782 00:40:34,706 --> 00:40:37,675 they want to come back to the office, create a space for them. 783 00:40:37,675 --> 00:40:40,630 Like I don't know, there's something to be said about being 784 00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:41,494 a little flexible. 785 00:40:43,945 --> 00:40:47,576 Warren: Absolutely, and I think that's the best thing. 786 00:40:47,576 --> 00:40:50,873 If you could have some sort of true hybrid hey, you're going to 787 00:40:50,873 --> 00:40:54,672 work from in the office Because , especially early career, you 788 00:40:54,731 --> 00:40:57,286 need some mentoring, you need some development, you need 789 00:40:57,690 --> 00:40:59,605 someone looking over your shoulder every once in a while. 790 00:40:59,605 --> 00:41:02,333 Hey, warren, instead of doing it this way, why don't you try 791 00:41:02,353 --> 00:41:05,291 it this way or something like that that you're not going to 792 00:41:05,351 --> 00:41:06,735 get remotely? 793 00:41:06,735 --> 00:41:10,947 And yeah, I understand the data's there that people are 794 00:41:10,987 --> 00:41:14,255 much more productive working from home. 795 00:41:14,255 --> 00:41:18,293 I know my wife says she's like does the job of two people now 796 00:41:18,313 --> 00:41:21,407 that she's working from home and she, she doesn't really mind 797 00:41:21,809 --> 00:41:22,990 that as much. 798 00:41:22,990 --> 00:41:26,699 But you, you know in her world it works well. 799 00:41:26,699 --> 00:41:30,125 For me it just didn't work out as well and I never got used to 800 00:41:30,144 --> 00:41:30,184 it. 801 00:41:30,184 --> 00:41:33,811 If I'd been doing it more than you know once a week or twice a 802 00:41:33,871 --> 00:41:37,719 week or something like that I probably would have adapted 803 00:41:37,778 --> 00:41:37,938 better. 804 00:41:37,938 --> 00:41:41,869 But I never really got the full adaptation to it and I was like 805 00:41:41,869 --> 00:41:43,094 , yeah, I could take it or leave it. 806 00:41:43,094 --> 00:41:50,108 But I think, yeah, younger professionals need that in their 807 00:41:50,108 --> 00:41:51,692 life and I'm really surprised they don't want it more because 808 00:41:51,711 --> 00:41:54,518 after, like, look at someone, my daughter's age, she's 23. 809 00:41:55,106 --> 00:41:59,817 She went through college, through all of COVID, and you 810 00:41:59,836 --> 00:42:02,402 know her college experience sucked. 811 00:42:02,402 --> 00:42:06,226 That's heartbreaking, you know not, not, not like you know mine 812 00:42:06,226 --> 00:42:06,226 . 813 00:42:06,226 --> 00:42:08,708 She went to East Carolina and she didn't have the same are 814 00:42:08,728 --> 00:42:13,510 like, yeah, I want to interact with people and things like that 815 00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:13,510 . 816 00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:46,708 I don't know, maybe these people interactions maybe will 817 00:42:46,768 --> 00:42:48,592 lead to retention, as I know, I've stayed at more than one job 818 00:42:48,592 --> 00:42:49,675 longer than I probably should have. 819 00:42:49,675 --> 00:42:51,139 Yeah, because I like the people . 820 00:42:51,139 --> 00:42:53,126 Yeah, uh, the job was mad. 821 00:42:53,126 --> 00:42:57,659 If it didn't suck, it was mad at best and but I like my, my 822 00:42:57,699 --> 00:42:59,246 co-workers, I like the people I was with. 823 00:42:59,246 --> 00:43:03,896 So, hey, what the hell, I'll stick around to be with them and 824 00:43:03,896 --> 00:43:05,585 yeah, so that's, I don't know. 825 00:43:05,585 --> 00:43:07,471 I think that's a good experience. 826 00:43:07,471 --> 00:43:08,092 Yeah, you have a. 827 00:43:08,092 --> 00:43:11,809 But if you even have a sucky job and you're with good people, 828 00:43:11,809 --> 00:43:12,931 that makes it all the. 829 00:43:12,931 --> 00:43:15,157 That makes all the difference as well. 830 00:43:16,286 --> 00:43:17,268 Cee Cee: So no one can like. 831 00:43:17,268 --> 00:43:22,755 There's something about a bond between people who have a 832 00:43:23,036 --> 00:43:25,900 horrible work experience, whether or not it's the company 833 00:43:26,786 --> 00:43:28,891 or whether or not it's the boss they work for. 834 00:43:28,891 --> 00:43:32,146 And it's so funny because I have like I have some team 835 00:43:32,186 --> 00:43:37,675 members in my past who form our company and we still have like a 836 00:43:37,675 --> 00:43:38,458 chat going. 837 00:43:38,458 --> 00:43:42,750 I got what is it just like a text, like group, and we still, 838 00:43:42,869 --> 00:43:45,594 like at least once a week, are like active in there. 839 00:43:45,594 --> 00:43:48,498 I haven't worked with these people in years, but we all 840 00:43:48,538 --> 00:43:50,641 bonded over the fact that we had a nightmare boss. 841 00:43:50,641 --> 00:44:00,275 Oh yeah. 842 00:44:00,514 --> 00:44:01,576 Warren: And but there's more of you. 843 00:44:01,576 --> 00:44:04,900 Yeah, you might have a sucky boss, but there's more of you 844 00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:05,400 than them. 845 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,617 And it's like, yeah, I think I've told the story before. 846 00:44:09,617 --> 00:44:13,373 I worked one place where the HR manager slash, director slash 847 00:44:13,414 --> 00:44:16,085 whatever the title of the day was they. 848 00:44:16,085 --> 00:44:18,684 I was there six years, I think. 849 00:44:18,684 --> 00:44:21,769 I had eight managers slash, directors, slash, whatever. 850 00:44:21,769 --> 00:44:23,492 I think I had eight managers slash, directors, slash, 851 00:44:23,512 --> 00:44:23,753 whatever. 852 00:44:23,753 --> 00:44:26,215 And after a little while I was just and I'm in my early 30s and 853 00:44:26,215 --> 00:44:28,619 I'm thinking, oh, let's see how long this person lasts. 854 00:44:28,619 --> 00:44:34,318 You know, I'll be here longer than they are, that type of 855 00:44:34,338 --> 00:44:34,438 thing. 856 00:44:34,438 --> 00:44:35,202 And it was interesting. 857 00:44:35,202 --> 00:44:38,853 You don't get those type of experiences without physically 858 00:44:38,934 --> 00:44:47,231 being at work, being at work, and how the hell these new hr 859 00:44:47,251 --> 00:44:48,554 people deal with all the, the, the poops, the poop happenings 860 00:44:48,574 --> 00:44:50,260 if their, their employees aren't I know they're, they're being 861 00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:53,713 robbed of a critical these people aren't able to clean up 862 00:44:53,813 --> 00:44:55,320 poop in a, in a bathroom. 863 00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:57,626 Cee Cee: I mean, where are these stories going to come from one 864 00:44:57,646 --> 00:44:57,847 day? 865 00:44:57,847 --> 00:44:59,951 What you're going to tell? 866 00:44:59,951 --> 00:45:03,978 An old war story about a mean IM someone sent you Please. 867 00:45:07,347 --> 00:45:09,233 Warren: Oh yeah, so anyway. 868 00:45:09,233 --> 00:45:13,652 Well, even though we had no agenda going into today, I think 869 00:45:13,652 --> 00:45:16,659 we've gotten this one pretty far. 870 00:45:16,659 --> 00:45:19,170 Next week we will have an agenda. 871 00:45:19,170 --> 00:45:23,673 I'll do some homework I actually think I've a, an idea 872 00:45:23,753 --> 00:45:26,309 or two and then, of course, please listen to the episode. 873 00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:30,202 On the 30th we'll be re-watching the office, I think, 874 00:45:30,202 --> 00:45:31,023 next. 875 00:45:31,023 --> 00:45:34,032 Next time we'll even go into what episode we're going to talk 876 00:45:34,032 --> 00:45:34,231 about. 877 00:45:34,231 --> 00:45:37,809 So if you want to watch it, uh, ahead of time, before the 878 00:45:37,869 --> 00:45:39,934 episode drops, so you can become more familiar. 879 00:45:39,934 --> 00:45:43,492 I know that's what I'm going to be doing as we, as we plan our 880 00:45:44,494 --> 00:45:45,016 episodes. 881 00:45:45,224 --> 00:45:46,972 And please give us your feedback . 882 00:45:46,972 --> 00:45:50,972 The show notes are just chock full of ways to give us feedback 883 00:45:50,972 --> 00:45:53,572 , including CeCe's. 884 00:45:53,572 --> 00:45:56,072 Let us know what you're thinking, what you'd like to see 885 00:45:56,072 --> 00:46:00,467 , or any other stories you might have for the show, or your own 886 00:46:00,507 --> 00:46:01,070 experiences. 887 00:46:01,070 --> 00:46:03,853 We got text, numbers, everything like that. 888 00:46:03,853 --> 00:46:06,353 So give us your feedback and also leave a review. 889 00:46:06,353 --> 00:46:10,871 I promise I won't take two months, like I did with Dustin's 890 00:46:10,871 --> 00:46:15,420 review, and get those out sooner. 891 00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:16,811 So leave us some reviews. 892 00:46:16,811 --> 00:46:18,610 That's what's going to help people find us. 893 00:46:18,610 --> 00:46:19,614 I think we're. 894 00:46:19,614 --> 00:46:21,594 We've got like a 4.8 rating on Apple podcasts, so please, 895 00:46:21,614 --> 00:46:22,297 please, continue to check that out. 896 00:46:22,297 --> 00:46:23,525 I think we've got like a 4.8 rating on Apple Podcasts. 897 00:46:23,525 --> 00:46:27,146 So please, please, continue to check that out, and I know some 898 00:46:27,166 --> 00:46:29,813 of the others are allowing you to give either thumbs up or 899 00:46:30,034 --> 00:46:31,878 stars and things like that. 900 00:46:31,878 --> 00:46:34,032 So, yeah, help us out that way. 901 00:46:34,326 --> 00:46:35,572 Cee Cee: Yeah, rate us. 902 00:46:35,572 --> 00:46:37,411 It helps us in the algorithms. 903 00:46:39,045 --> 00:46:40,829 Warren: Yeah, the algorithms, the algorithms, yeah. 904 00:46:40,989 --> 00:46:41,510 Cee Cee: The algorithms. 905 00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:42,112 The algorithms. 906 00:46:44,518 --> 00:46:48,980 Warren: Yeah, so let's go ahead and land the plane, thanking our 907 00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:50,304 Patreon supporters. 908 00:46:50,304 --> 00:46:53,690 I know I mentioned them earlier , but Cece, excuse me, but 909 00:46:53,751 --> 00:46:57,918 Hallie, the original Jaded HR rock star, bill and Mike, thank 910 00:46:57,938 --> 00:46:58,440 you very much. 911 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,932 You can join us on Patreon or you can chat with us there, 912 00:47:02,074 --> 00:47:03,617 message us there as well. 913 00:47:03,617 --> 00:47:05,592 So thank you very much to them. 914 00:47:05,592 --> 00:47:09,434 Also, thank you to Andrew Kolpa , who does the voice artist work 915 00:47:09,434 --> 00:47:13,612 in the intro, and the intro and outro music is Double, with the 916 00:47:13,612 --> 00:47:17,407 Double by the Underscore Orchestra, and so, with all that 917 00:47:17,407 --> 00:47:19,675 said, as always, I'm Warren. 918 00:47:19,894 --> 00:47:20,396 Cee Cee: I'm Cece. 919 00:47:22,286 --> 00:47:24,054 Warren: And we're here helping you survive. 920 00:47:24,054 --> 00:47:24,797 Hr one. 921 00:47:24,797 --> 00:47:25,802 What the fuck moment. 922 00:47:25,802 --> 00:47:27,530 At a time you